An-124 used for crafting An-225

[surreal leaf]

An-124 should be used for crafting the An-225 bc:

1. Realism
2. Gives An-124 a use
3. Takes less than 20 min to implement

[regal citrus]

it doesnt?

[surreal leaf]

Surprisingly, no

[regal citrus]

I remember that people only bought the 124 to convert it

maybe they changed it

[surreal leaf]

Gib me a yes

Pls

[regal citrus]

finnee

[cold bolt]

Where exactly is the source for the 'takes less than 20 mins' take

[surreal leaf]

It’s easy to add

[marble cave]

An-124 remodel 🙏

[willow falcon]

yez

[tulip wasp]

How is this realistic

They are 2 different plane types

The an-225 is based off the 124 but uses a completely different specification for the buran

[boreal glacier]

[real flame]

Adding An-124 to the crafting recipe would make sense

[marble cave]

Makes the an-225 less obtainable

[uneven moon]

getting an An-124 probably isn't the hardest part

[marble cave]

I mean i own one

[boreal night]

True

[mystic nebula]

I feel that the An-225 is already hard enough as is to get

Also isn't the only thing that the An-225 pulled from the an-124 the engines?

[boreal night]

No

[boreal night]

not really

[dull lotus]

An-124 already had a use for grinding
An-225 was built from scratch (sure it's based design in at least one way)

[boreal night]

when

[dull lotus]

Do it yourself >:3

[boreal night]

Ok

[dull lotus]

Oh wait it's already being done uh

Yep
#dev-showcase message

[uneven moon]

that's from august

[cyan parrot]

yeah 10 parts and a 150k wp donor aircraft

very cheap

[surreal leaf]

B-but it’s realistic!

[cyan parrot]

do you wanna spend an additional 150k to get the plane

[surreal leaf]

Jokes on you I already have it

[cyan parrot]

would you want to spend an additional 150k if you didnt have it

[surreal leaf]

Peasants who don’t have it don’t matter to me

But I’m a chill guy

[cyan parrot]

if you did not have it, would you spend an additional 150k on top of the kit

• currently the only vehicle with a blue rarity donor aircraft is the 1.42 Foxglove, and thats only a 4-part kit.. 225 is a 10 part kit

[surreal leaf]

[cyan parrot]

i vote simply because the kit has too many parts already

[surreal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

[real flame]

This isn't a democracy
But most likely nobody will ever do anything about this

[cyan parrot]

Fair

[uneven moon]

it's already ~1 million

[cyan parrot]

It would be annoying to have to hunt for an124 just to craft it especially when it’s a 10 part kit

[boreal night]

I might when I finish 124 remodel

[real flame]

[surreal leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820044096130514946/1299205515682910258/steamhappy-steam.gif

[cyan parrot]

[boreal night]

cope

[cyan parrot]

[cunning sierra]

It wasn’t, 225 is stretched 124 with additional gear and H shaped tailed

[cunning sierra]

For that you must remodel 225 too because convert into completely model doesn’t make any sense

[boreal night]

I’m not remodeling 225

But

while I’m doing 124 stuff in configuration

I might as well add the 124 to the 225s crafting requirements

[cunning sierra]

I just told you it doesn’t make sense because you’re converting new model into model which A) completely different mesh wise B) less detailed

[mystic nebula]

it was built from the ground up no?

[cunning sierra]

No

[boreal night]

Well I can’t remodel the 225

[mystic nebula]

i don't think you can convert a 124's airframe into it

isn't the uh

wing structure completely different

[boreal night]

and this suggestion makes sense

[dull lotus]

"Antonov studied the way of building a transport plane of greater capacity by making modifications on the An-124 model"
How it was built? I don't have an answer but my hypothesis here is that it was built from scratch and is not a conversion

Source: https://www.buran-energia.com/mriya-antonov/mriya-desc.php

[cunning sierra]

you kinda proved my point

[dull lotus]

But requiring the an-124 only makes sense if the aircraft was built using an already built airframe

[dapper hare]

rip mriya

[mystic nebula]

if you guys want it to be realistic you should make it that you need an An-225 to craft the An-225

(new an-225 built from mriya's wreck)

[surreal leaf]

Crazy

[cyan parrot]

[grave prairie]

how does a second, unfinished an-225 exists then?

[grave prairie]

derivative

[dull lotus]

This

[grave prairie]

not a conversion

[grave prairie]

the difference between conversion and derivative is that conversion is when an existing airframe gets modified, and derivative is when they build a new plane that shares something with the original one

[dull lotus]

Although, are there other aircraft that could be applied to this same logic? I know there probably is but I can't meaningfully think of any right now.

[cyan parrot]

the shared part is the fuselage

Having a similar UV for both makes sense right

[dull lotus]

Verifiable?

[cyan parrot]

Look at the plane

It’s quite literally a heavier-duty an124

[dull lotus]

So your saying you can confirm that an An-124 fuselage was used to make the An-225?

And when I say used, it was used for the construction

[cyan parrot]

The design for the AN225 is based off the AN124’s design

Because it’s much cheaper to reuse an existing tried and true design than to make another from scratch

regardless it makes complete sense to base the AN124 and AN225 off the same UV because then you could carry a livery from one onto the other

[dull lotus]

That's outside scopes

[grave prairie]

design

not a part of a fuselage

[dull lotus]

And that's already been noted

[dull lotus]

But this I will not confirm or deny since there are examples where this hasn't gone well

[cyan parrot]

erm

There’s been zero bad examples thus far

[dull lotus]

(The last item is outside scopes of suggestion)

[cyan parrot]

Makes little sense for them to retrofit an existing aircraft into a heavy duty application used for carrying a fucking space shuttle, but again it’s the Soviets we are talking about

[dull lotus]

Shouldn't dwell on that either because it would be easy to go outside scope of suggestion

[cyan parrot]

If the AN225 is crafted with the AN124 it would make sense for them to have the same UV so that your liveries on the AN124 would carry over to the AN225 when you craft it.

[dull lotus]

The wings are different, and the fuselage is different

[cyan parrot]

Or at least a similar UV

[cyan parrot]

The main fuselage design is extremely similar, thus the fuselages can be projected together onto the map in blender and placed in the same spot

Thus, your fuselage ID would carry over

[dull lotus]

They don't differ in length??

[cyan parrot]

They are still an extremely similar design

plus - you could make a livery for both the AN124 and AN225 at the same time

And just extend the fuselage part of the AN225’s livery instead of having to reorient EVERYTHING

[dull lotus]

If the UV ends up split in multiple parts as some others are then that wouldn't work as intended

[cyan parrot]

agreed but if not then it would

It’s the devs choice which kind of map they do afaik

[dull lotus]

But off topic to "should the an-225 require the an-124 for crafting"

[cyan parrot]

(livery carrying over during the crafting is not off topic)

[dull lotus]

Should*

[dull lotus]

Assuming an-124 is required or not

[cyan parrot]

If this suggestion is accepted people may riot if liveries aren’t carried over

[surreal leaf]

Life said he’d do it

[dull lotus]

That's assuming the suggestion is accepted

[surreal leaf]

So it’s planned?

[cyan parrot]

[surreal leaf]

Ahem

[dull lotus]

Tags don't say so

[cyan parrot]

The to-do list of devs isn’t just one or two aircraft

[surreal leaf]

I kno

[dull lotus]

But if this is accepted then mayhaps certain other aircraft should also be applied to this

[surreal leaf]

Does this mean planned or nah Life

[cyan parrot]

(This entire thread should be denied because there isn’t much benefit, it would only increase the cost of each aircraft, and because it may require a remodel)

[surreal leaf]

Life said he’s gonna do a 124 remodel

But then enclaved said the 225 would have to be remodeled

Which I don’t get

[dull lotus]

There's been no proof of the an-225 being a conversion from the 124

[surreal leaf]

Cus this is just adding 124 to the crafting recipe

[dull lotus]

It should actually use components of the 124 in the construction

[surreal leaf]

If the 124 didn’t exist there’d be no 225

[cyan parrot]

Because people will fucking riot if they spend hours making a livery on their AN124 only to spend 1.3 mil WP on an AN225 Kit, lose their AN124, and also lose their livery because it can’t transfer over

[dull lotus]

If it doesn't use it during construction then the 124 should NOT be required

[cyan parrot]

(It’s based on AN124 design)

[dull lotus]

Else other aircraft need to be fit to this same policy

[dull lotus]

Not enough reasoning

[cyan parrot]

The reasoning is looking at the aircraft

[dull lotus]

737 max 8 should be convertible from 737-800 then

[surreal leaf]

Dawg

[cyan parrot]

not the same circumstance

[grave prairie]

thats like saying that 737-200 should have the same uv as 737 max 8

[dull lotus]

Oh?

[cyan parrot]

the AN225 was developed from the AN124

Not as a new platform

[dull lotus]

Oh my goodness then the 124 shouldn't be included

[surreal leaf]

Erm don’t you mean 124

[cyan parrot]

Yeah

I had a brain moment

[surreal leaf]

Bud he just said not as a new platform

[cyan parrot]

This “realism” reasoning behind suggestion makes sense, but there’s little other benefit besides that

[icy relic]

It’s not a converted aircraft from a preexisting one, it’s based on it, kinda like say

The 727 and 737

[dull lotus]

This

[cyan parrot]

making modifications on the an124 model

[icy relic]

While yea the AN-225 was developed from the AN-124, it was never in the first place an AN-124

[dull lotus]

IT'S NOT A CONVERSION

[cyan parrot]

Same goes for the foxglove

[surreal leaf]

“Modifications on the 124 model”

[dull lotus]

Modification of a design, not an airframe

[surreal leaf]

[icy relic]

Yeah, but they didn’t take an AN-124 and turn it into an AN-225

[surreal leaf]

Well it’s up to Life to implement this or not

Said himself this makes sense

[cyan parrot]

The foxglove is currently like this ingame and has a similar situation.
It was not created from a 1.44 Flatpack, but the design is a modification of the 1.44 Flatpack. The 1.42 Foxglove requires a 1.44 Flatpack to be crafted.

[icy relic]

They took the design and went “hey let’s make this longer, bigger wings, more engines, different stabilizers, etc blah blah blah”

[icy relic]

Or the SU-75

[cyan parrot]

[cyan parrot]

True

[boreal night]

yeah I’ll change the tags

[icy relic]

Life please don’t lock we’re having a very super cool and serious discussion

[surreal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/hood-irony-corecore-bladee-ovk-tez-gif-5468493064516533654

[cyan parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/not-stonks-profit-down-sad-frown-arms-crossed-gif-15684535

[dull lotus]

I'll gladly write something against this :3

[boreal night]

you do that

[cyan parrot]

[icy relic]

My main issue with this suggestion is that the parts for the AN-225 are already so rare, adding a blue rare that costs 150k is a bit of a

Not nice thing

[grave prairie]

the same thing as with an-124 and an-225

[cyan parrot]

Exaaactly

[icy relic]

But on the other hand

[cyan parrot]

[icy relic]

Let’s be fr

[cyan parrot]

it makes sense but also inflation go brrrr

[grave prairie]

those have different config

[cyan parrot]

[icy relic]

Who has an AN-225 who still uses the AN-124

[icy relic]

Yea I’m using it as an example

[boreal night]

me

[cyan parrot]

124 can Supply drop

[surreal leaf]

The designs are completely different

[cyan parrot]

225 cannot

[icy relic]

Yeah so do I, half the time I’m too poor to refuel the 225

[surreal leaf]

One has 3 engines one has two

[grave prairie]

me

[surreal leaf]

Airframe is different

[icy relic]

The AN-124 has 4 engines, the 225 has 6

[cyan parrot]

[icy relic]

The AN-225 is longer, different tail

Different wing

[dull lotus]

An-225 is based on an-224 (never built) which is based on the an-124

[cyan parrot]

did you make the plane @surreal leaf

[icy relic]

Seems awfully similar to me!

[cyan parrot]

[surreal leaf]

Ok but the didn’t take the 727 and make the 737 from it

Or vice versa

[boreal night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820044096130514946/1310390809581064276/474F3583-B516-4547-9537-1DEEB0578ABB.gif

[cyan parrot]

They designed those planes alongside each other not as a derived variant

[surreal leaf]

Exactly

So you can’t compare those to the 124 and 225

[icy relic]

Ya but the 727 still came first

[cyan parrot]

[boreal night]

chill guy ain’t so chill now

[surreal leaf]

I’m starting to slightly give a flip

[dull lotus]

A380 convertible from a340 then >:3

[cyan parrot]

[boreal night]

Chill out

[surreal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

Ok

[cyan parrot]

chill guy turned into warm guy

[icy relic]

The double fuselage A340 was a devplane at some point I think

That or it was modeled, just never added

[boreal night]

make airbus a380 a 747 conversion

[grave prairie]

peppa pig but a dog?

[surreal leaf]

💀

[boreal night]

That was NOT chill

[dull lotus]

Or tu-144d as convertible from tu-144s (depending which came first)

[cyan parrot]

[boreal night]

🔒

[grave prairie]

i mean

they look similar

[surreal leaf]

Eh

[dull lotus]

This is off topic at this point honestly

[grave prairie]

anyways

back to the an-225 thing

[boreal night]

let’s delete the 225

[surreal leaf]

Just like irl

[dull lotus]

If the an-225 clearly uses the an-124 during construction then this makes sense but so far I cannot confirm or deny that so it shouldn't require the 124 base

[boreal night]

taking a educated guess it was likely built by modifying a partially built 124 airframe

[dull lotus]

Is there even proof to this?

[boreal night]

no

I just said it is a educated guess

[cyan parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/abus-sicherheit-security-schloss-padlock-gif-23573070

[surreal leaf]

“I had to go find out myself, so I booked the next flight to Kyiv and went to the headquarters of the Antonov Design Bureau.”

[boreal night]

soon

[cyan parrot]

Soviets being Soviets

[boreal night]

anyways I’m still gonna implement this because

• the 225 feels too obtainable as of right now
• even if it was built from scratch it is still heavily based on the an-124

[surreal leaf]