Air density update

[verbal quarry]

Quite a simple one, make air density effect the speed of planes

Slower planes can be less effected by this

[bleak shadow]

i'd have no opinion in saying this but

i'd assume that scripting could possibly be a problem

[gilded crane]

sorry i miss the part where aeronautica is supposed to be realistic

why do we have to valculate air density now

and more importantly this will literally just ruin the game

[verbal quarry]

why are you so offended

[gilded crane]

refer to the chart over at #rejected-suggestions

it fails on the second level

by a LOT

actively makes the game worse

fails on the third one too

[keen raptor]

why

[gilded crane]

why would i want my aircraft to be slower?

[keen raptor]

make it a setting then idk

play another game

[gilded crane]

this is roblox, not microsoft flight sim, stop trying to make the game "realistic"

[keen raptor]

yall rag on ptfs all the time for not being realistic

[gilded crane]

if you want realistic air density simulation go play an actual flight sim

[keen raptor]

that argument can be applied for literally every suggestion ever

[whole rain]

But I love realism smh my head,,,,,,

[gilded crane]

[gilded crane]

uh no?

no it can't

[keen raptor]

yes it can though?

[whole rain]

The only caviate as a previous person said is just the scripting but I don't think it's a bad suggestion.

[keen raptor]

"if you want ground crew play microsft flight sim"

[gilded crane]

mf why the hell you think it's denied???

[keen raptor]

idk

[gilded crane]

takes too much resources

[whole rain]

Honestly, there are a lot of mechanics in Aeronautica that are realistic, I think adding more realism to the game would make it more challenging but a lot more exciting in my opinion.

[gilded crane]

it wouldn't be possible unless roblox made their servers not 200 dollars Temu computers

[gilded crane]

adding more realism would make it lose the arcady feel of the game and ruin it for people that want to have a fun casual time

[keen raptor]

then make it a setting or play a different game

[whole rain]

Okay I don't agree with that response

[whole rain]

Nor do I agree with this one

[keen raptor]

i dont think this game feels arcadey at all

[gilded crane]

if you make everything a setting that's just stupid

at that point make a separate game, name it "aeronautica 2" and just put all the stuff there

[keen raptor]

it can go under preformace if the 200 dollar temu comptuers are an issue

[whole rain]

Okay firstly I don't think this would affect the casual gameplay to the point where it ruins it.

It's not a game breaking feature,

[ember thunder]

Not that simple to do it though, how do you handle certain kinds of planes? Why even really?

[keen raptor]

i would assume that how much altitude slows you down is exponetially related to service ceiling

[verbal quarry]

well it wont be

you just have to go to a higher altitude

just make it a toggleable feature or something called advanced mode

im sure that fuel consumption being fast at sea level is detrimental to your gameplay too

[keen raptor]

yeah

altitude based fuel burn is air density too

just make speed altitude based too

[whole rain]

Also plus, I bet you most of the community view Aeronautica more as a hybrid-flight simulator than an arcade-like game.

[magic mulch]

the problem with this is that airspeed does not change parallel to physical speed when altitude increases

we would then have to get into deciding whether to use airspeed or physical speed for the speedometer

[keen raptor]

i think it should be exponetial

[verbal quarry]

tas is the best option

[magic mulch]

the other thing is that this would have to be coded based on overall altitude, not based on the service ceiling of your plane like the range boost is calculated

so they would have to use 2 completely separate systems, which would probably be a coding nightmare

[keen raptor]

oh yeah

[sharp venture]

just dont fly fast at low alt

[magic mulch]

[keen raptor]

alright guys lets add air compression next!!1!!

[whole rain]

https://tenor.com/view/oomfie-pipe-bomb-oomfie-pipe-bomb-gif-25286345

[keen raptor]

your sr71 will be airfried instantly

[magic mulch]

if this gets implimented they would also have to change how the altitude-based range boost is calculated (which would probably break meta)

because X15 would be able to fly cross map at 4000 kts

[whole rain]

The meta shall be broken,,,,,,,,

[keen raptor]

theres a reason it was launched irl

[magic mulch]

[whole rain]

We will find better means for using AIRLINERS

[keen raptor]

you would lose so much fuel getting up

[whole rain]

[magic mulch]

airliners would be bad with that change due to higher flying planes getting a larger range buff

[keen raptor]

not a buff

a debuff

[magic mulch]

so basically Convair 990 meta

[keen raptor]

at lower altitudes

[magic mulch]

(and SSTs)

[magic mulch]

have fun refueling once every 5 minutes

[keen raptor]

i dont

thats why i sold mine

[whole rain]

Perfect.,,,,,,,,,

[magic mulch]

[keen raptor]

[whole rain]

Yes let's make the SST Meta break

[magic mulch]

[whole rain]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[keen raptor]

i never chain anything so i was never effected by the boat chain ban

[magic mulch]

[gray fiber]

not a horrible idea, just need to think about some of the things it would affect

[gilded crane]

my reasoning against this compared to the fuel consumption being higher is that the fuel being consumed faster incentivises you to fly high

blocking off your max speed would force you to fly high

if you want to fly to somewhere close, but quickly, you'd have to waste time climbing to a high altitude so you can go faster, and it cancels the timesave out

[keen raptor]

most people who arent at the max alt are probably flying in airliners or just messing around and probably wouldnt need to go fast anyways

[magic mulch]

• PTS may be physically impossible in some aircraft
• All races will pay less due to aircraft being slowed down
• Everyone will burn fuel much faster

[keen raptor]

i dont think that it would be that extreme

i dont think that real fighter jets cant go mach at sea level

its just harder

[magic mulch]

the post proposes the F14 being slowed down by 500 knots

if that happened, PTS would be impossible

[verbal quarry]

that was an example

[keen raptor]

ignore that

[keen raptor]

a bad one

[verbal quarry]

just decrease fuel consumption

[magic mulch]

it would actually be impossible because you cant go faster than the minimum target speed

[keen raptor]

just edit that out because your example is too extreme

[magic mulch]

[verbal quarry]

well i dont know what else to use as an example because thats the most realistic one i can think of

[keen raptor]

dont put one

i think people get it

[verbal quarry]

alr

also airliners wont be affected much by this

so its not gonna like destroy everything

[keen raptor]

[verbal quarry]

really only effects the mach 1.5+ planes

just make anything below mach 1 not effected by air density

1 - 1.5 slight differences but not much

[keen raptor]

ohh uh

that wouldnt work

[magic mulch]

PTS becomes impossible:

[verbal quarry]

what does that stand for

[magic mulch]

if its only a slight difference theres really no point to impliment it

as it will require its own unique system

to function

[keen raptor]

so if your plane goes from mach .99 to mach 1 it would slow down a bunch

[magic mulch]

• most supersonic non-sst aircraft are dogwater useless anyways.. this would just nerf them to the ground

[verbal quarry]

gradual

[keen raptor]

or exponential for every plane

nonlinear

[barren pasture]

sorry but if you call your game a "flight simulator" then you're implying the game is realistic

let's start with making the devs stop calling their game a flight sim before we rag on people wanting realism changes yeah

[magic mulch]

it simulates flight, not realistic flight

[barren pasture]

tf do you think the definition of a simulator is lol

3 second search

[gilded crane]

[barren pasture]

this game calling itself a flight sim when a game like project flight also calls itself a flight sim is abysmal

if they start calling it a capitalism simulator then i'm all for it

[keen raptor]

🤑

[bleak shadow]

pet simulator

[magic mulch]

There really isn’t anything else better to call it

[sharp venture]

We are on the game platform where every other game is a "simulator"

Yet theyre not realistic and most people dont expect them to be

[magic mulch]

racing games have Racing Simulators and Arcade Racers to differentiate realistic and unrealistic gameplay... aircraft-based games don’t have that terminology

[sharp venture]

We have made up and never built aircraft flying

[magic mulch]

Yes but the physics engine is realistic..ish

real life stats
Realistic handling style

[sharp venture]

"ish"

[magic mulch]

Gran Turismo is a racing simulator and they also have downright fake cars

[sharp venture]

the capacity being made up for game balance:

we dont even have flaps

[magic mulch]

It’s based on a variety of factors (except for bombers which is literally just the crew capacity)

[magic mulch]

Compromises must be made to have such a great map

[sharp venture]

how many people actually play aeronautica for realism

[magic mulch]

It’s by no means an unrealistic game either

the flight model imitates realism

[sharp venture]

no but neither is it a hyperrealistic one

[magic mulch]

Oh the irony in that statement

Hyper

[sharp venture]

bro i cannot hear myself think with how youre replying to every message i make

i made my point

[magic mulch]

It was a joke

hyperant

Hyperinflation

Hypermach

[barren pasture]

if you think i don’t complain about those too then you are sorely mistaken lol

it’s a buzzword used to get clicks and make a faster profit
you want aeronautica to stoop to that low too??

[magic mulch]

There is no better term to use

[sharp venture]

aero is not that realistic of a game
there are other flight sims out there if you want realism
if aero emphasized realism itd be like every other flight sim

[barren pasture]

literally just flight game lol
not every game has to be a simulator

[magic mulch]

who the hell is gonna play a “flight game”

[barren pasture]

you literally do

you know damn well aeronautica is NOT a flight sim and yet you keep coming back

[magic mulch]

I know that, but there isn’t another term that describes the game better

[sharp venture]

"flight game" sounds shit

aero is in a market full of ten year olds that need the buzzwords

[magic mulch]

Airborne Economy Hub

[gilded crane]

"trade, buy, re-sell ES'd for a higher value"

[magic mulch]

Game isn’t a simulator but a better term needs to be coined

[sharp venture]

simcade

[magic mulch]

This should be it’s own suggestion not gonna lie
“Change the style of game Aeronautica is advertised as”

[gilded crane]

shock

[calm crag]

Or just a thread where active members & suggestion dwellers had their logics twisted by #1183405059569094726 not-so-newcomers

[red venture]

Dank | Server Shrugbot 🐊 is AFK: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1085014191762583625/1248767581083537411/caption.gif - 8 hours ago

[calm crag]

Bozo

[hallow kettle]

This is the worst conversation in the history of ever

[keen raptor]

[naive kraken]

why

[sand stirrup]

As someone with all the eqns

Would someone like them

Because I do have all the eqns for this on a mathematical sense

[crisp notch]

hey uh, just so you know, some people at some server that I won't say hates you for rudeness in suggestions

[gilded crane]

i'm guessing staff in the archives server?

[crisp notch]

no comment, not that

[gilded crane]

why would you say that and not give me more info

that just makes me thing i'm getting warned

either tell me fully or just don't say anything at all, it sucks to do that

how have you been typing for almost 10 minutes-

[crisp notch]

just saying that because I wanted you change on that, and if I say the name of server, wouldn't that mean I would worsen problem?

I wanted less hate

[gilded crane]

..no?

because i won't be joining it

and hating on someone specifically is kinda cringe

you can tell who it is and the server and i genuinely wouldn't do anything

well

i would, but i wouldn't worsen the situation

[crisp notch]

but you would know the person that disliked you and maybe the interactions with you and them won't be very positive

[gilded crane]

half the server already hates me

nothing would really change

[crisp notch]

okay then, I will end the topic, I don't want things to be a bit deep

the air density might be gud but that would mean the replacement of the current mechanics "high alt = less fuel consumption" to "High alt = more speed to reach destination faster" right?

@verbal quarry

[verbal quarry]

going high alt could make fuel consump lower while also going faster

would stay the same basically

[crisp notch]

maybe

may be gud

[gilded crane]

thanks i guess

[fallow totem]

this guy is always like this dont worry

[crisp notch]

I just thought the rate of fuel consumption shouldn't be effected by anything, even high alt

[verbal quarry]

its like that in real life so i thought we should keep it

[fallow totem]

I like this, i think it would be cool to have a more tangible reason in game for the better range at altitude

[crisp notch]

it's slightly weird that is how the game works when saving fuel, if Aero is aiming for realism

[verbal quarry]

i dont even know what aero is going for to be fair

[fallow totem]

Yeah, aero fuel burn is really weird

Doesn't make much sense

[crisp notch]

same too...

[verbal quarry]

like somehow this whole thread has had the argument of arcade vs sim

but i didnt pay attention to any of it

[crisp notch]

I see aero as both arcade and realism

[fallow totem]

If they just made fuel endurance a set time value and instead had true airspeed change with density altitude that would be perfect

[crisp notch]

If the air density gets added, the planes should maybe get themselves a range buff cuz of the mechanic change

[verbal quarry]

ye

i always thought fuel consumption was pretty shit

mig 21 can fly for like 2 minutes before landing

[crisp notch]

Damn, concord can't even last longer than that

[fallow totem]

I don't think range would need to be changed so long as it's the same range at its most efficient alt, if they just keep it like that there shouldnt be an issue

[crisp notch]

when you're climbing to high alt, wouldn't it consume your fuel more?

[fallow totem]

It always does

Nothing changes

Well effectively nothing

Well actually no it wouldnt change at all actually

[crisp notch]

that would mean you would be only reaching below or somewhere near the estimated range limit

[fallow totem]

If the game fixed how fuel burn works, and the planes work the same with 100% throttle at all time, fuel burn per hour would stay the same no matter what phase of flight

[fallow totem]

Oh i see what you mean, base game is already like that

[verbal quarry]

oh yeah i forgot to mention at the start of this thread that optimal altitudes wont be a thing

[fallow totem]

wdym?

[verbal quarry]

some planes are most efficient couple thousand feet below service ceiling

so its just gonna be the same where the highest a plane can go is the best it performs

[fallow totem]

Oh yeah that is silly

[fiery light]

different idea, creat airspeed and groundspeed to make new players even more confused and make the game worse

[fallow totem]

better idea, indicated airspeed and true airspeed

[fiery light]

yeah

even more chaos

[crisp notch]

I can go 2 times the estimated range limit when I am at ceiling limit

since range is estimated at sea level

[fallow totem]

My bad i completely forgot that was how base game range is

[fiery light]

u can get charts on endurance and range in #trello-and-database

which is a chart on range/endurance with factors such as throttle and alt

wind isnt calculated tho

[fallow totem]

Coming from an aviation perspective, not from the game, those charts are ridiculous

the game really works like that?

damn

[crisp notch]

yeh

[fallow totem]

Yeah now I'm even more in favor of this suggestion

Maybe im tweaking i should read up on this

[crisp notch]

Not like they would even get a single engine license after completing a tutorial

[stable mirage]

just see Aeronautica as if it is arcade mode in War Thunder

[crisp notch]

they would just exit and be gone foreva

[crisp notch]

No.

I do not want to feed the Aeronautican

[stable mirage]

i mean you get the idea

we aint doing realism

[crisp notch]

do not feed the Aeronautican

[stable mirage]

i mean realism in aeronautica is somewaht impossible depending on the context

such as this maybe

[crisp notch]

yet, they still reject unrealistic flying aircrafts for public

[stable mirage]

well ofc a certain level of realism should be maintained

[crisp notch]

yeah

[stable mirage]

but the level of which comparable to, say, MFS2020, would not be possible

[vast oak]

Can't the air density be in certain areas of the map?

or minimal effects to the bare bone

[crisp notch]

Airship can fly upside down, do barrel rolls and loops, can those airships do that irl

[stable mirage]

that will be hard to code

[crisp notch]

yep

[vast oak]

ig that is true

[fallow totem]

Yeah, that would be a bit much, as much as id love to see it

[crisp notch]

rn, Aeronautica is kinda between realism and arcade

[vast oak]

I mean tbf doing air density on all vehicles are harder than certain ones