F-22 Features

[hidden ruin]

Give the F-22 the ability to use a tail hook and conduct airstrike missions as it does irl

[neat yacht]

You realize the tailhook is not for carrier landings right

Also the F-22 already does PTS

[tribal delta]

The F-22A's tailhook is designed for a runway arrestor cable thing that is honestly closer in nature to the arresting nets on carriers, albeit the less-emergent nature

it is not compatible for arrestor wires present on carriers

and if you attempted to use it you would likely cause structural damage to the airframe

if a 22 wanted to land on a carrier, it would either be told to do a Sully (water landing), or to slow down as much as possible and crash-land into the arrestor net

https://youtu.be/l5XCtNX8e8o?t=52
https://youtu.be/9ucjb_HU_gU?t=23

The F-15 and F-16 both possess similar equipment for the same purpose. Runway arrestor cables are significantly more "gentle" than arrestor wires found on carriers.

[grand pulsar]

In fairness the Gripen is the same, its tailhook exists for emergencies but the plane in aero can land on carriers

[mental flame]

i feel like thats so it gives players more ways to access the carrier and its aircraft

you cant really say that for the F22 as its less accessible compared to the gripen

[grand pulsar]

But then whats the point of saying "nah this plane cant have carrier tailhooks because irl it doesnt do that"

[mental flame]

i feel like its more nuanced than simply reflecting what exists irl; as in there can be more reasons as to why it cant land on carriers ingame

it can also be argued that the gripen has stronger landing gear compared to the raptor as it was designed to land on roads/shorter runways

whether that can actually translate to being able to land on a carrier? i wouldnt know

[grand pulsar]

I doubt it, since the Su-27 can land on roads as the UAF did it but the Su-33 has beefed up gear

the silly

[mental violet]

I mean there’s the su27K that’s carrier capable- strengthened airframe and hook

Even then most fighters in game can land on carriers with or without hook as the air brakes are quite strong

[tribal delta]

Arguably an error, or they could make this

which is effectively an unmanned Gripen E upgraded/modified for carrier ops

whereas the NATF program uh

let's just say the NATF versions of the 22 and 23 look nothing like their air force counterparts

[tribal delta]

do ppl hate helis that much

[tribal delta]

ok nvm apparently Saab has a literal brochure for his ass

and he really doesnt look that different from regular Gripen

[tribal delta]

LHS is natf, RHS is atf

[hidden ruin]

What

They don’t do airstrikes

[hidden ruin]

True.

[rare cedar]

You do realise that pts = air strikes

Right

You’re striking a target from the air

[hidden ruin]

How come I can’t do them then

??

[rare cedar]

Go to norman

[hidden ruin]

Alr

Will do

[mental violet]

All the airstrikes are done from Norman, scroll all the way to the bottom of the job list there

[tribal delta]

Honestly though imagine being able to call ATC at specific AFBs to haul out the arrestor cable device when your F-16 or F-22 has to make a landing while at like, 12% durability or 1 engine lost

[neat yacht]

If you checked the aircraft database it literally says it does

Though it's only available at one location

[pulsar peak]

That’s because Brazil has Naval version iirc

[hidden ruin]

I figured it out

[limber anvil]

They wanted one

But then they scrapped their carrier

They were the whole reason why the carrier version was even a thought though yes.

[ocean phoenix]

secretly a seagripen

[iron peak]

Both NATFs are coming into Aero eventually

[tribal delta]

Well that's wonderful news; but shouldnt that imply that the 22A's arrestor hook will be removed?

Once both NATFs get added ofc

[iron peak]

It doesn’t have one to begin with

At least not functional

[tribal delta]

Ingame it does though

[iron peak]

Erm

Let me check

[tribal delta]

Or am I tripping

I just woke up so

[iron peak]

Most likely

Cuz F-22 wasn’t never supposed to be carrier capable

Hence landing there

Well it can land there, but only once

[tribal delta]

The structural integrity and ram coating damage prolly means if it uses the arresting net method, it ain't never gonna sortie until they go home

[novel zealot]

imagine using the AI overview as a source

something notorious for saying literal garbage

[tribal delta]

?

[novel zealot]

this

[tribal delta]

Oh you mean thread owner

[iron peak]

Yep

[iron peak]

Well that’s actually accurate

For once

[novel zealot]

yeah

but its only for emergencies

so it might as well be wrong

[iron peak]

Which is stated

[novel zealot]

yeah

[iron peak]

That’s only how OP perceived that info matters

[rare cedar]

Wait HUH

F-21 real

[iron peak]

It’s just NATF-22

And NATF-23 respectively

Both I found mock-ups of

[rare cedar]

Oh so no swing wing stealth fighter

[iron peak]

Yea

[tribal delta]

F-21 is Jewish

iirc its literally just a Kfir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir#United_States

Peak source ik

[tribal delta]

isn't the NATF-22 variable geometry though?

I know the NATF-23 isn't (though that has canards)

[tribal delta]

Ok so I checked and the only "odd" ones out are the MiG 1.42 (you need 1.42K to do carrier landing and the game definitely differentiates between variants, else F-35A and B and MiG-29A would get tailhook too)
And Eurofighter Navalized is supposed to be a specific variant, just like the aforementioned Gripen Maritime, no?
Also, no Su-57 as of now has a tailhook for carrier ops, the Shtorm model with the 2 squadrons of Felons sitting on it is just Putin's wet dream

At least both Gripen Maritime and Eupa Naval aren't just paper

[limber anvil]

I mean they are paper

No aircraft were built to test it

[tribal delta]

Saab has a brochure and pretty sure Naval Eupa actually exists, although considered suboptimal to other carier-capable jets

[mild beacon]

[limber anvil]

Neither were built or tested

[tribal delta]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSdLqZMlFEh

Instagram

Interestingly I can't find a YT vid of F-22 using its tailhook

[rare cedar]

Cause its for emergencies

[limber anvil]

It's mostly a matter of there only being like 6 bases that have F-22s, 7 ever so it's a lot harder to see it happen compared to the aircraft like the 15 and 16 which are all over the place

[mental violet]

Also the fact they limited production to 188

I don’t think they usually want to use that often as it prob stresses out the airframe

They would rather use more of the runway plus brakes/ air brakes

Apparently f22s had 9 incidents in 2023, 6 in flight, one of them a bird strike, haven’t found mention of tail hooks being used even in an emergency landing

[limber anvil]

Generally it'd be a hydraulics malfunction or failure. Anything else it'll land normally