How to Improve Helicopter Flight Model | Aeronautica | Page 1

light niche · 2024-01-01T03:45:07.941Z

1. Pick a low speed range, I recommend 25-45kt, to be a transition speed range for the behavior of helicopters 2. Below this transition speed range, you can hover and translate/fly in any direction with ease (like hovering with the current physics and pressing UHJK) 3. Above this transition speed range, which we'll consider to be 'cruising', the helicopter will behave more like an airplane as they do IRL: - Rolling (H or K) will cause the heli to turn like airplanes would - Pitching (U or J) will cause the heli to climb or descend like airplanes would, but also dependent on collective & airspeed to an extent that would need to be tested to really feel what's right - Yawing (A or D) will be more ineffective the higher the airspeed is 4. Within this transition speed range, the two behaviors (2. hover & 3. cruise) are mixed proportionally to how close you are to each end of the range - This would prevent a sudden change in the way the helicopter feels and make flying feel good 5. Attempting to fly sideways or backwards at speeds higher than this transition range will cause the nose to 'weathervane' in the direction of travel - The range could be faster for maneuverable helis like the Bo-105 Issues with current model: - Acceleration is way too fast and overly dependent on collective % rather than cyclic input - Significant speed loss when rolling in cruise - Cruising requires >4 degrees nose down pitch which looks bad and not realistic - Hover out of ground effect and even at service ceiling possible with only 25% collective input LOL - Hover ceiling nonexistent: no helicopter can hover at its SERVICE ceiling, it must have forward airspeed like an airplane - Autorotation not possible, helicopter falls like a brick instead of gliding using remaining main rotor RPM - Fuel use currently based on collective instead of throttle which makes no sense, but we can't even control throttle so whatever - Losing tail or a main rotor does nothing but decrease top speed lol

light niche Jan 1, 2024, 3:45 AM

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Pick a low speed range, I recommend 25-45kt, to be a transition speed range for the behavior of helicopters
Below this transition speed range, you can hover and translate/fly in any direction with ease (like hovering with the current physics and pressing UHJK)
Above this transition speed range, which we'll consider to be 'cruising', the helicopter will behave more like an airplane as they do IRL:

Rolling (H or K) will cause the heli to turn like airplanes would
Pitching (U or J) will cause the heli to climb or descend like airplanes would, but also dependent on collective & airspeed to an extent that would need to be tested to really feel what's right
Yawing (A or D) will be more ineffective the higher the airspeed is

Within this transition speed range, the two behaviors (2. hover & 3. cruise) are mixed proportionally to how close you are to each end of the range

This would prevent a sudden change in the way the helicopter feels and make flying feel good

Attempting to fly sideways or backwards at speeds higher than this transition range will cause the nose to 'weathervane' in the direction of travel

The range could be faster for maneuverable helis like the Bo-105

Issues with current model:

Acceleration is way too fast and overly dependent on collective % rather than cyclic input
Significant speed loss when rolling in cruise
Cruising requires >4 degrees nose down pitch which looks bad and not realistic
Hover out of ground effect and even at service ceiling possible with only 25% collective input LOL
Hover ceiling nonexistent: no helicopter can hover at its SERVICE ceiling, it must have forward airspeed like an airplane
Autorotation not possible, helicopter falls like a brick instead of gliding using remaining main rotor RPM
Fuel use currently based on collective instead of throttle which makes no sense, but we can't even control throttle so whatever
Losing tail or a main rotor does nothing but decrease top speed lol

pine arrow Jan 1, 2024, 3:52 AM

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I’m never understanding it

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Looks cool tho

buoyant smelt Jan 1, 2024, 3:53 AM

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I ain’t reading allat

solid swan Jan 1, 2024, 4:01 AM

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wall of text

light niche Jan 1, 2024, 4:10 AM

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TL;DR make helichopter fly like DCS & war tunder

solid swan Jan 1, 2024, 4:11 AM

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uh ok now i understand now

tender bolt Jan 1, 2024, 4:22 AM

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This can allow more helicopter stunts

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In airshows

olive lagoon Jan 1, 2024, 4:22 AM

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Flaming is alive??!?

light niche Jan 1, 2024, 5:34 AM

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olive lagoon Flaming is alive??!?

yea i been enjoying latest helichopters. i hope the heli physics will be updated with the addition of VTOLs

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basically i wanna be able to do this in aeronautica https://youtu.be/kly8soer0hY?si=Rln11FEe7Xa2iep6

YouTube

Kaggen

BO-105 low level flight

This music just feels better somehow.

Thanks to mig8769 for the video, and to like2upload for the Airwolf theme cover.

▶ Play video

austere stag Jan 1, 2024, 9:27 AM

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valid tbh

crystal osprey Jan 19, 2024, 5:02 PM

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bump
I also want to have better heli controls

winter birch Jan 19, 2024, 5:12 PM

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light niche TL;DR make helichopter fly like DCS & war tunder

would it make it easier or harder

iron ridge Jan 19, 2024, 5:14 PM

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some day McDSprite

fallow dust Jan 19, 2024, 5:15 PM

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How I've only just seen this I don't know, but a hover button would be great aswell. Just a button that freezes your helicopter in the air, freezing the flight minutes to stop people abusing that, so that you can take photos.

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May be too close to autopilot, but its worth throwing in there

fathom gate Jan 19, 2024, 5:27 PM

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light niche TL;DR make helichopter fly like DCS & war tunder

for this Roblox engine should be as capable as War Thunder's

elder urchin Jan 19, 2024, 5:40 PM

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iron ridge some day <:McDSprite:885567708039610368>

LETSGO LETSGO LETSGO LETSGO

cyan gust Jan 19, 2024, 5:46 PM

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light niche basically i wanna be able to do this in aeronautica https://youtu.be/kly8soer0hY...

you can do this rn, but the heli will swing heavily to the sides

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also it'll have to be tilted

cyan gust Jan 19, 2024, 5:46 PM

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iron ridge some day <:McDSprite:885567708039610368>

Prayge

fathom gate Jan 19, 2024, 5:57 PM

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cyan gust you can do this rn, but the heli will swing heavily to the sides

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this problem still persists

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if you'd do that now heli losts momentum and going backwards

cyan gust Jan 19, 2024, 5:57 PM

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yea

fathom gate Jan 19, 2024, 5:57 PM

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andrew reminded me few mins ago that this exist

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cuz ye i was the same thought that mostly you can do what was in the vid

light niche Jan 19, 2024, 8:16 PM

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fallow dust How I've only just seen this I don't know, but a hover button would be great asw...

yea auto hover button that lets you climb and descend like war thunder's would be nice

light niche Jan 19, 2024, 8:17 PM

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winter birch would it make it easier or harder

I think what I recommended would be easier

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much easier really if it is anything like war thunder's heli mouse aim with the instructor. I think the way their helis work would fit aeronautica well

winter birch Jan 20, 2024, 12:27 AM

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I have never played War Thunder or DCS so I have no clue how they work but ok

crystal osprey Jan 20, 2024, 6:07 AM

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I'd do a J-hook landing practice to one of the ships of Lernivo escort when the new heli controls are in the game, the only problem would be the floating point

fathom gate Jan 20, 2024, 6:11 AM

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crystal osprey I'd do a J-hook landing practice to one of the ships of Lernivo escort when the ...

Isn’t like you already can do it, especially with yours co-axials?

crystal osprey Jan 20, 2024, 6:13 AM

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j hook is possible with the ones i made since they have alot of power, but once again, i want something like holding j would actually pull the heli up instead of relying on the collective, which i need to do a 100% col. in order to make the turn

fathom gate Jan 20, 2024, 6:16 AM

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crystal osprey j hook is possible with the ones i made since they have alot of power, but once ...

Agree, I saw a suggestion to add an option for 30/70 collective on airship down/up buttons, this thing alone can resolve bunch of problems

sterile vault Jan 20, 2024, 7:48 AM

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iron ridge some day <:McDSprite:885567708039610368>

soon™️

austere stag Jan 21, 2024, 12:26 PM

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Bunp - it must become reality.

rotund sphinx Jul 9, 2024, 4:17 AM