Non-seasonal emotes setting

[broken cobalt]

Seems like there are enough people that don't like seasonal emotes so this is a suggestion in the name of those people.

There could be a setting in the which would turn seasonal emotes on and off. Probably would be donk to implement but it would work well with those that use emote sets.

For example, people who have "non-seasonal emotes" as their setting, would see the normal global emotes (https://7tv.app/emote-sets/62cdd34e72a832540de95857) and others would see these: https://7tv.app/emote-sets/63237427e062d588b69f84d0

As for channel emotes, there could be like a way to select the "default non-seasonal emote set" and the "default seasonal emote set". So then depending on the user's setting they would see one or the other set. This obviously relies on streamers/editors using sets (surely everyone knows how to use sets ).

Maybe another 3rd setting would be like a "brute force" non-seasonal setting (for channels that don't use sets as mentioned above) that would look for emotes with the same name but that don't have "seasonal tags" (similar to the migration thingy).

[scenic tendon]

The first part might work

But changing the emotes the owner/editors added to the channel feels weird to me. what you want kinda goes against what the extension does with having each channel add their own emotes and then deciding the environment/vibes/theme (w/e you want to call it) of their channel

This can be applied to everything, what if someone prefers the turtle emote over the cat (not just the seasonal ones) for example, should they be allowed to replace it only at their end?

[broken cobalt]

But changing the emotes the owner/editors added to the channel feels weird to me.
That's why I said:
There could be like a way to select the "**default **non-seasonal emote set" and the "**default **seasonal emote set"

so it's not the user "forcing a non-seasonal vibe" preference but it's the streamer/editor providing that in the 1st place

[scenic tendon]

Still, the sets and the choice should be the owner/editors. Giving that choice to the viewer isn't right imo

Some channels have seasonals, done don't. Some also have seasonals throughout the year

[broken cobalt]

no choice

[scenic tendon]

In this particular thing, you keep the choice to the channel editors imo, yes

[signal vessel]

???

client side change = giving the choice to the viewer

[twilit ore]

I could see this working for the globals but I think it's a huge ask for all other emotes ngl

[signal vessel]

that seasonal label would probably be pretty helpful in this case

[twilit ore]

"omg I didn't want THAT non seasonal"

[signal vessel]

true but once emote sets get flushed out more, would probably be as easy as pulling the correct emote from the normal set that's enabled

or if we go with anson's suggestion for stacking emote sets similar to minecraft's resource pack menu

would be as simple as pulling the correct one from the other set

or rather giving it a higher priority but it would be only clientside

[broken cobalt]

I mean there doesn't have to be a "seasonal label" just tags that would include seasonal stuff

snow, winter, santa, halloween, pumpkin, skeleton (maybe) = seasonal tags

[signal vessel]

i was talking about this kind of label

[twilit ore]

tagging emotes largely falls on the users

[broken cobalt]

ohhh then yeah that would be better tbh

[signal vessel]

yeah but being able to simply check a box that says "Seasonal" in emote properties would be pretty easy i think

would work just like the zero-width one does currently

[twilit ore]

how does every thread end up in the same subject

[signal vessel]

because it's useful for multiple things

[broken cobalt]

also if users don't do it, mods can do it for us

[signal vessel]

[twilit ore]

nope

[scenic tendon]

If you're adding a 'seasonal' tag then make the icon 🌩️

[signal vessel]

[broken cobalt]

❄️

or

💀

[signal vessel]

❄️ and 🎃 make more sense to me

[hallow ice]

^

honestly tags could be like twitter where certain hashtags are graced with twitter making them "official" by adding an emoji next to them when used

[signal vessel]

maybe if it's implemented like the label I was referring to you could choose which season/holiday it's made for after checking the box @hallow ice

and that would automatically apply the special tag

[hallow ice]

yeah

[signal vessel]

and label

[hallow ice]

if there are variants assigned per emote

but that's a lot of work and such

this option would work best for 7tv global emotes

the choice of emotes in channels should 100% be up to the channel editors

7tv shouldn't moderate what channels do in any way IMO

Once emote sets are implemented to work like MC resource packs, then seasonal global emote changes would only have to use that same system

Then clients could disable the global seasonal emotes client-side very easily

it would just disable that set

[signal vessel]

yeah

my idea was that the under-prioritized set that has the normal variants could just be given priority

So like you'd look at all the emotes with the seasonal label and just find same name emote from the other set and prioritize over the seasonal ones

if that makes sense

[hallow ice]

yeah

so seasonal emotes that aren't replacing anything wouldn't just disappear

right?

[signal vessel]

exactly

And it'd all be clientside

basically just switching out priority

[hallow ice]

I was just thinking a checkbox in the settings menu on twitch for "seasonal emotes"

that would be the simplest

it would be for any seasonal event

since only 1 should be happening at a time

[signal vessel]

right

[hallow ice]

honestly I feel like, at some point, 7tv could/should stop doing seasonal globals

once the channel emote switching flow is very polished

having featured seasonal emotes is a great step towards that

[signal vessel]

I think a cool way to set it up is that every channel has their own dedicated global slots/set that they can make whatever they want

so they could disable a global they don't like, replace it with a different variant, rename it, etc

and when seasonal shit comes around they could swap it with a user-made seasonal global set

[signal vessel]

however the global set wouldn't count as actual slots

so you don't gain or lose anything from disabling or replacing

[hallow ice]

well having a set exclusively to replace the globals is kinda smart, it's not the best solution

people would just use it to replace globals with other emotes

[signal vessel]

what's wrong with that tho

[hallow ice]

because it wouldn't be the same emotes

[signal vessel]

so

[hallow ice]

They would just use it to replace Clap with whatever they want

[signal vessel]

you can already replace globals with any emote

[hallow ice]

free emote slots

[signal vessel]

couldn't change the name tho

[hallow ice]

exactly

so it would get GOOFY

[signal vessel]

applies to all emotes tho tbf

[hallow ice]

yeah, but if it's incentivized with not taking up emote slots, everyone will use it

because everyone wants more emote slots

buncha addicts

so IMO it's still a better solution if 7tv just gives people the option to disable/derank the seasonal globals clientside

[signal vessel]

I think both could work

I was just going off your idea to never change default globals

[hallow ice]

yeah I get that

[signal vessel]

And leaving it to the users

[hallow ice]

what if they just give users ~25 extra slots (or however many globals they have now) during seasonal events

and then take them away afterwards

to encourage people to use those only for seasonal emotes

that would be simpler IMO

rather than having 1 set that doesn't actually count towards their total and can only be used to add emotes with the same name as global emotes (I just feel like this would be too confusing to explain to people)

[signal vessel]

maybe but idk I still would like to be able to replace globals

[hallow ice]

People can

but using their own emote slots

[signal vessel]

yea ik, but still

[hallow ice]

I'd be curious to see the numbers of how many people disable the i.e. halloween globals

[signal vessel]

I do

[hallow ice]

I assume there are quite a few people that would

[signal vessel]

I'd keep a few maybe that don't overly change the og

or slot in some better ones

but that's just me personally

[twilit ore]

globals are globals for a reason

[signal vessel]

yeah yeah

[hallow ice]

But there are people that would prefer not using/seeing the seasonal globals. You can't deny that

Perhaps more people feel that way than you expect

Not everyone celebrates every holiday

[twilit ore]

like I said in the beginning, I can definitely see a use for a toggle between normal and seasonal, but giving out free slots and free reign of globals in all chats is taking it too far imo

[hallow ice]

I agree.

That would be goofy

but temporary "free slots" wouldn't be a horrible idea

[twilit ore]

for what exactly?

[hallow ice]

if you really want to encourage people to celebrate holidays by changing pixels

[hallow ice]

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but still, the disable/deprio setting would be the most elegant solution short-term

[twilit ore]

that implies users would be free to change globals to absolutely whatever, which I'm fully against honestly

[hallow ice]

no

[signal vessel]

just an idea

I don't think it's practical tho

[twilit ore]

if they choose to override in their own chats sure but overriding globals everywhere is goofy as hell. it's basically just making globals into personals

[hallow ice]

well no one suggested that

[signal vessel]

no one said everywhere

[hallow ice]

the "free slots" are just for a channel, to allow people to add their own seasonal global replacements

[signal vessel]

this discussion was specifically for channels only

yea

[hallow ice]

instead of relying on 7tv staff

[twilit ore]

I interpreted this conversation as them overriding globals clientside everywhere

[signal vessel]

also would be cool if they gave free holiday slots to 1. replace globals if they don't like seasonal and 2. Add more seasonals if they like seasonals

[hallow ice]

nah that can already be done with a little javascript

[twilit ore]

if it's for their own channels only, naming emotes as globals already override them no?

[hallow ice]

yes

[signal vessel]

yea but it takes up a slot

[twilit ore]

[hallow ice]

to make the case for leaving "seasonal globals" to individual channels, there are a huge variety of emote variants for each of the globals. Not everyone will prefer a certain version. 7tv staff will have to decide which variant to use each year. Should it be different each time? Should they simply pick the one that they like the most? Some people would get tired of seeing the same emote every year, and others would prefer to see a new version every year. Some would prefer a different variant entirely.

But overall I do think it complicates matters more than simply leaving 7tv to pick globals each year.

So the client-side setting is probably the best

but the temporary "free slots" to replace globals could be fun as well

(per channel)

That way, people can redecorate globals if they want, EVEN if 7tv stops doing seasonal globals at some point in the future

There would just be a "Halloween globals" set that would only be active during halloween

once every channel has that set up, then there's basically no work needed. It would just be enabled for the season and deactivated again after it's over.