Emotions

[heavy inlet]

I think npc emotions would be cool! Here are some examples:

1. Triggers:

Aiming at the npc, may cause fear or anger.
Shooting near the npc, high chance of causing fear, but a WAY lower chace of causing anger (anger basically means that they will start attacking you).
Witnessing another npc be killed, first shock and then a high chance of fear and a lower chance of anger.
After a while they will return to their normal (or idle) phase.

2. Emotional States:

Calm(idle) - No danger is present
Scared - When the npc feels threatened
Angry(or a better word: Hostile) - When armed and feels threatened the npc will be ready to fight.

3. Voice lines:

Scared: “P-please don’t hurt me.” / “P-please don’t shoot.” / ”Just don’t hurt me please!” / “I don’t want any trouble.”
Angry(Hostile): “Oh you’re so dead!” / “Come here and fight me!” / “Try me, i dare you!”

4. Example:

You aim the weapon at an unarmed npc and one of the scared voice lines start playing, and maybe even his face turns into a scared emotion, but that’s up to you (everything that i suggest is ofc up to u to tho)
You aim your weapon at an armed npc and he will enter the angry(hostile) state where he aims his weapon at you and starts shooting while saying one of the voice lines, or he might run at you if he has a melee while shouting.
If the threat disappears (for example you lower your weapon) he gradually starts going more towards his normal phase (only works on npc’s in the scared phase)

[mellow stone]

totally

but Im pretty sure players will create mods for in-depth emotional system with reaction to other NPCs death for exemple

[peak sand]

You mean facial expressions

[heavy inlet]

sure, facial expressions is good, but in some games like blood trail the npc's have emotions (at least i am pretty sure they have), you could check out a video on it i think, but i ain't that good at explaining so.

[peak sand]

Bro other than facial expressions what should the devs add

[junior inlet]

yk voices and stuffs

like people lowkey kinda get sad when they boutta die

cuz it kinda sucks

[heavy inlet]

@junior inlet Thanks, i couldn't have explained it better.

[junior inlet]

your welcome

[peak sand]

This ain’t the YouTube comment sections my guys you gotta give more detail

[junior inlet]

there is such thing called common sense where one could assume what the person is talking about

[peak sand]

Always better to say it and plan it out, the devs are not fricking chat gpt and the more they have to develop on the feature the less likely it is that they actually do it

One could also just say “add good melee combat” and nothing else

Wtf would that be

[junior inlet]

well what are emotions?

[peak sand]

In game dev? I have no idea

[junior inlet]

dude

[peak sand]

You can’t make ai “feel “

[peak sand]

What is the problem with giving the devs info on what they actually have to do

[junior inlet]

either your just really stretching this out rn for like no apparent reason or your just flat out dumb bruh

[heavy inlet]

@peak sand, what do you think emotions are? Sure you can't make ai have real emotions BUT you can program them to have fake emotions.

[peak sand]

Details

[junior inlet]

what more do you need to describe the suggestion????

[peak sand]

Not on how to code it

[heavy inlet]

ok, if they are unarmed and you point a gun on them they will start begging for their life

[peak sand]

But what the things are that have to be coded

[peak sand]

Aha so dependant voice lines

[heavy inlet]

yeah

[peak sand]

What else

[junior inlet]

WELL NO SHIT BRUH

[peak sand]

Shut

[heavy inlet]

well if they are armed they might get mad and start attacking/shooting

if you aim at them

[peak sand]

We need to be a little more technical than that, the emotions are just an umbrella term for voice lines, facial expressions, actions etc

[heavy inlet]

true

[peak sand]

Which all have to be accounted for differently for every emotion

[heavy inlet]

that is true

[peak sand]

So my suggestion to you would be making a list of major emotions, how they are triggered, and how they translate to what they player actually notices, being the ai actions, expressions and voice lines

@junior inlet do you get my point

[junior inlet]

ngl im just gonna repeat once more "common sense"

[peak sand]

Common sense doesn’t make a game

[junior inlet]

well no shit

[peak sand]

And for this you don’t need to be a bloody game developer

So why do they have to do this for you

[junior inlet]

uh huh but i think the devs know the basic understanding of emotions

[peak sand]

Doesn’t mean they have to bother breaking it down into actually useful rules they can code

Understanding isn’t planning

We plan features for them to code into the game

And not just give headlines

[junior inlet]

yo

it aint that deep and ima be real your really dragging this out and i got much better stuff to do than this lmao

[peak sand]

The devs have got better stuff to do than listen to vague requests

And the number of upvotes this post has indicates that other people on this discord don’t either

[junior inlet]

do i need to repeat what i just said bruh?

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[peak sand]

If that’s your attitude then get out of this channel lol

I’m trying to shape the game here, you just don’t bother

[junior inlet]

the devs are shaping the game

[peak sand]

Yes they are

[junior inlet]

your just yapping

[peak sand]

Then this suggestions channel is useless…

If they do everything anyways

But they don’t, they actually read this channel

[junior inlet]

no shit

why would they have it if they dont read it

[peak sand]

And are probably disappointed at the regular because all of the planning they have to do for a feature that the op didn’t bother laying out for them

[junior inlet]

for the third time i. do. not. give. two. shits. about. this. anymore. i got much more better stuff to do

[peak sand]

Cya then

[junior inlet]

fuckin finally lol

[heavy inlet]

@peak sand, is this what you want?
Normal (calm/unbothered)

"Hey, watch where you’re pointing that."
"Relax, no need for that."
"You trying to scare me?"
"Put it down."

Scared (fearful response)

"P-please, don’t shoot…"
"I don’t want any trouble!"
"Okay, okay, I’ll do what you say!"
"Just… don’t hurt me…"

Angry/Mad (hostile response)

"Point that again and you’ll regret it!"
"You think that scares me?"
"Go on, pull the trigger!"
"Try me, I dare you!"

[peak sand]

Weird structure

[heavy inlet]

ik

[peak sand]

Well this one is only for pointing a gun at them

[heavy inlet]

yes

[peak sand]

What else

[heavy inlet]

hm, i'll see what i can come up with

[peak sand]

I mean we have to get them into a different emotional state somehow

[heavy inlet]

other than aiming a weapon?

that's correct right?

[peak sand]

You layed out the voice lines for each emotion when aiming at them

Aiming at them doesnt trigger the emotion

[heavy inlet]

why doesn't it do that?

[peak sand]

Because that would make it a circle and that bullocks to code

If your aiming makes them fearful

Why have voice lines for when they are calm

These won’t be played at all

Cuz they immediately go into fear mode

Or you have to actually adjust the goal of your post to “responses for aiming a gun at an npc” which is much more specific than “emotions”

Cuz emotions is a topic that’s too broad

And very vague

[heavy inlet]

You are very correct, ofc they will not have a normal phase when they are being aimed at, my bad.

[heavy inlet]

@peak sand
Ok, so to be a bit more specific:

1. Triggers:
   Aiming at the npc, may cause fear or anger.
   Shooting near the npc, high chance of causing fear, but a WAY lower chace of causing anger (anger basically means that they will start attacking you).
   Witnessing another npc be killed, first shock and then a high chance of fear and a lower chance of anger.
   After a while they will return to their normal (or idle) phase.
2. Emotional States:
   Calm(idle) - No danger is present
   Scared - When the npc feels threatened
   Angry(or a better word: Hostile) - When armed and feels threatened the npc will be ready to fight.
3. Voice lines:
   Scared: “P-please don’t hurt me.” / “P-please don’t shoot.” / ”Just don’t hurt me please!” / “I don’t want any trouble.”
   Angry(Hostile): “Oh you’re so dead!” / “Come here and fight me!” / “Try me, i dare you!”
4. Example:
   You aim the weapon at an unarmed npc and one of the scared voice lines start playing, and maybe even his face turns into a scared emotion, but that’s up to you (everything that i suggest is ofc up to u to tho)
   You aim your weapon at an armed npc and he will enter the angry(hostile) state where he aims his weapon at you and starts shooting while saying one of the voice lines, or he might run at you if he has a melee while shouting.
   If the threat disappears (for example you lower your weapon) he gradually starts going more towards his normal phase (only works on npc’s in the scared phase)

Oh and one more thing i forgot to mention, if they get hurt they will automatically enter their scared phase

but that scared phase will not go away (unless they die from blood loss (if that will be added))

[peak sand]

Epic!! Be sure to put that into your original suggestion

[heavy inlet]

ok

[peak sand]

I think npc emotions would be cool! Here are some examples:

1. Triggers:
Aiming at the npc, may cause fear or anger.
Shooting near the npc, high chance of causing fear, but a WAY lower chace of causing anger (anger basically means that they will start attacking you).
Witnessing another npc be killed, first shock and then a high chance of fear and a lower chance of anger.
After a while they will return to their normal (or idle) phase.

2. Emotional States:
Calm(idle) - No danger is present
Scared - When the npc feels threatened
Angry(or a better word: Hostile) - When armed and feels threatened the npc will be ready to fight.

3. Voice lines:
Scared: “P-please don’t hurt me.” / “P-please don’t shoot.” / ”Just don’t hurt me please!” / “I don’t want any trouble.”
Angry(Hostile): “Oh you’re so dead!” / “Come here and fight me!” / “Try me, i dare you!”

4. Example:
You aim the weapon at an unarmed npc and one of the scared voice lines start playing, and maybe even his face turns into a scared emotion, but that’s up to you (everything that i suggest is ofc up to u to tho)
You aim your weapon at an armed npc and he will enter the angry(hostile) state where he aims his weapon at you and starts shooting while saying one of the voice lines, or he might run at you if he has a melee while shouting.
If the threat disappears (for example you lower your weapon) he gradually starts going more towards his normal phase (only works on npc’s in the scared phase)

@heavy inlet could you it like this

[heavy inlet]

yes sure

[sterile quiver]

I like this suggestion, but I feel you need to elaborate a bit more.

Oh wait

No nevermind, I read it wrong, sorry

But this suggestion is peak

Nice job 👍

[heavy inlet]

thanks