Hurt animation

[shy patrol]

When you hit an NPC in the face, they will react by grabbing their face as if they are hurt. This would make the game feel more realistic and would be really cool to see.

[sharp barn]

they should also try to back away a bit

and if you hit them really hard like a mike tyson punch then they should fall to the floor in the direction of which you puinched

[near mirage]

https://discord.com/channels/814225157664407553/1323003662800257097

[shy patrol]

?

[rocky wasp]

how in the blue moon does this go against the guidelines

[forest ledge]

maybe there is an example gif missing

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-hurt-smack-slapped-ow-gif-14613031

[surreal forge]

Huh???

[grim ginkgo]

Tf? I hope you fall down a manhole

[forest ledge]

Chill

[near mirage]

mb gng

[rancid walrus]

That’s none of those…

[rancid walrus]

Oh

[grim ginkgo]

What?

[covert jacinth]

What

Yeah that is none of those

It's just reacting to something that hits you

It's not gore or anything over-suggested

[weary laurel]

I think it counts as euphoria ragdolls

Like reacting realistically when they get hit

[thick marsh]

euphoria ragdolls is physically active and procedural, tying some animations to a hit location is not euphoria.

[shy patrol]

Yesss

[weary laurel]

Oke

I understand it now

[sharp barn]

i hope you get manned by a hole

[unique thicket]

this is euphoria ragdolls

[surreal forge]

Thats bs. Thats not even in the guidlines. Edit: Euphoria Ragdolls is a procedural animation system developed by NaturalMotion, used in video games to create realistic, dynamic character physics. Unlike traditional ragdoll physics, which rely purely on pre-set physics interactions, Euphoria blends physics with AI-driven muscle control, allowing characters to react naturally to their environment in real-time. This means characters can stumble, brace for impact, or attempt to recover from falls rather than just going limp like standard ragdolls.

It's been used in games like:

Grand Theft Auto IV & V – For realistic NPC reactions to gunshots, explosions, and impacts.
Red Dead Redemption 1 & 2 – For more lifelike horse riding, gunfights, and falling animations.
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed – For dynamic enemy reactions and combat physics.
It’s a huge step up from regular ragdoll physics because it makes characters feel more alive and responsive rather than just floppy dolls

[near mirage]

true thank yo for correcting

[surreal forge]

Yw

[near mirage]

im pretty sure they are adding ragdolls like that which is awsome

[surreal forge]

yeah,

[thick marsh]

No, they are not.

You dont just “add” euphoria its an extremely hard thing to inplement

[near mirage]

https://discord.com/channels/814225157664407553/1331883002657247252

[near mirage]

so yes they are they have comfirmed it

[thick marsh]

I highly doubt it will be actual euphoria ragdolls. The euphoria system had never been done for VR

[near mirage]

its not going to be actual euphoria ragdoll systems if thats what your thinking its still going to be similar like overgrowth

[forest ledge]

Could you elaborate?

[near mirage]

plus bonelabs enemys are ragdolls

[thick marsh]

What is there to elaborate on

[near mirage]

everything

how is it difficult are you a game dev

yes it could pose some challenges but ive seen vr games do it

small new developers too

[thick marsh]

Euphoria ragdolls is not a type of ragdoll its a specific system developed by NaturalMotion for RDR2, GTA4; other big games.

I HIGHLY doubt they will let a small indie VR title use it.

[near mirage]

dude are you kidding we dont mean actual euphoria ragdolls

[thick marsh]

Yes ive been a dev for 6 years. Euphoria ragdolls are very heavy on CPU (to my knowledge$

[near mirage]

many games have made several simalar systems

[thick marsh]

Then dont say euphoria ragdolls if you dont want people to think you are talking about euphoria ragdolls

[near mirage]

nice

[thick marsh]

Let me explain

[near mirage]

we use it as an example everyone says euphoria type ragdolls

[thick marsh]

VR requires high frame rates (at least 90Hz per eye) to prevent motion sickness, and real-time physics driven animations demand significant processing power, which can drastically reduce performance. Additionally unpredictable ragdoll movements can cause disorienting or nauseating experiences in VR, as players expect consistent motion feedback. Instead, VR games rely on simplified physics, pre-baked animations, or hybrid approaches to balance it

Even if hardware improves, real-time physics-driven ragdolls in VR would still struggle with player agency and motion coherence.

Hence why you dont see it.

[analog canyon]

Hence why games like Blade and sorcery have those horrible pre set animations

[thick marsh]

Its months of extremely gruelling and difficult work for a ragdoll that wont run well. Ive attempted them before, its a waste of time.

[near mirage]

exanima revolves around it as a game entirely and it was made in 2015

[forest ledge]

What exactly is the hard part about euphoria ragdolls and what exactly is changed to make it more viable for these sorts of titles?

[thick marsh]

it works because it’s a third-person game with indirect control over the character.

[near mirage]

yeah it still runs perfectly fine on old computers

bonelab and boneworks uses a ragdoll system for their enemys how come that game runs on quest if ragdoll based animation systems are so performance heavy

also who are you to tell a game dev that they shouldn't make it because its difficult

if every game didnt do something new because it was difficult every game would be like a ubisoft game

[analog canyon]

That ragdoll system is NOT the same as the euphoria system as in bonelabs they turn into complete rag dolls and fall on the ground and all animations are pre animated

[thick marsh]

Its challenging to implement because they differ fundamentally from traditional physics based ragdolls. Instead of being purely physics driven models that flop around based on external forces, Euphoria-style systems incorporate procedural animation and active muscle-like control to create more realistic, lifelike reactions. This involves complex biomechanical simulations, where characters try to balance, brace for impact, or react dynamically to their environment rather than simply going limp, this means coding muscle mass, character physics and all that shit.

difficulty arises from the need to blend procedural animation with keyframe animations or motion capture in a way that feels seamless.

Eupgoria style systems, use AI-driven physics behaviors to make characters adapt in real time, requiring advanced inverse kinematics (IK), force controllers, and dynamic constraints to prevent unnatural motion. This level of control demands high computational resources, making it difficult to balance realism with performance in realtime applications.

In order to make it look good and actual be dynamic it would cost months of effort, tons of money, and lots of tears.

[near mirage]

yes this is true

[thick marsh]

Because bonelab and boneworks use premade animations that are recorded using MOCAP. Not realtime dynamically adapting.

“Who are you to tell a game dev not to do something cause its difficult”, im not saying they shouldnt do it, im saying its not worth the time, effort, or cost. Im making a physics based VR shooter right now, so i know what i am talking about.

[near mirage]

good point it is not based on muscle like movement on exanima im not game dev just a modder

[near mirage]

wait isnt athena a roblox game

[thick marsh]

Yes

[near mirage]

that game has been looking pretty nice

[thick marsh]

Well it will be when i finish it lol

[near mirage]

good work btw

[thick marsh]

Thanks, where did you hear about it from?

[near mirage]

i searched up ares vr but you came up for some reason

on tiktok

[thick marsh]

💀

I can’t escape it

[near mirage]

i hate how roblox didnt release better vr dev tools early when they announced quest roblox vr

[thick marsh]

Yeah its definetly a challenge

[near mirage]

im just saying if they want to try to innovate by making a euphoria type ragdoll system let them they might make something cool

[near mirage]

idrk how to script on roblox im learning python to try and make some mods on exanima because they dont have any modding tools for it they do have community made tools

[thick marsh]

Not saying they shouldnt just saying its highly unlikely and would probably be an irresponible use of time/funds. especially cause its an indie game im guessing then dont have 100k to blow on some fancy ragdolls

[near mirage]

theres a game called brutal stick vr they added some euphoria type ragdolls nothing crazy but it still made the game feel much better i dont want some crazy ragdolls just something that will make the enemys feel more alive

[near mirage]

im a big exanima fan so i love ragdoll base systems and i know it took years for them to make a game that isnt even fully out yet

[thick marsh]

Yeah

[near mirage]

havent seen a coffe dairy from them in a while hopfully we get an update this year

wait nvm https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/362490/view/515203109058774783?l=english

[rocky wasp]

It depends on how you make it or set it up, some systems for active Ragdolls are way faster than others

[thick marsh]

Yea, definetly. But those are typically achieved by tons of trial and error, money, time etc

[near mirage]

true some can be better optimized

[rocky wasp]

Active Ragdolls in UE are really easy to set up and get running well too, unlike in unity where it would be a pure pain in the ass to get working,

Also for performance comments,
You could absolutely get a simple active ragdoll system working on quest.
Now for full on muscle simulation and stuff idk. I mean hell they made it work for GTA 4, a 10+yo game, so who knows

[near mirage]

i waqs just gonna say

ue has been making active ragdoll systems

[thick marsh]

Yea, you can definetly get an active ragdoll i dont deny that. Im saying you likely wont achieve something along the lines of RDR2 in vr

[near mirage]

but those are mixing animations and ragdolls

[thick marsh]

It’s just unrealistic

[near mirage]

yeah all we really want is just some active ragdoll they dont have to be like overgrowth or euphoria ragdols that took years to make

[rocky wasp]

No you can use animBP’s to dynamically animate it

IK cus I’m making a UE game where active Ragdolls physics are a big focus

[near mirage]

you got a vid about it i love active ragdoll

[rocky wasp]

Or you could use forces, forces are easier to set up but look way worse

[rocky wasp]

They also run better

[thick marsh]

Do me a favor and pray for me, i gotta make active ragdolls in roblox vr

[near mirage]

yeah some other games like exanima use hyper in depth systems like if you character has more muscle mass hes stronger

[near mirage]

🙏

[near mirage]

https://www.roblox.com/users/195963144/profile/ try asking this guy hes made some impressive games

idk if you can still message ppl in roblox

if anyone checks them

[thick marsh]

Euphoria with roblox block characters is much easier then euphoria with Skinned mesh characters

[near mirage]

oh yeah def

[thick marsh]

Also, again, his thing is not real euphoria

[rocky wasp]

I’m sorry for your loss 😭

[near mirage]

yes true

[thick marsh]

Thank you 🙏

[near mirage]

the most i know in a coding languge is python so i have no clue how to even make go about making an active ragdoll system

[thick marsh]

Html active ragdoll

[near mirage]

lol no exanima modding tools use python

[thick marsh]

Thats actually insane

[near mirage]

do you have a vid of your game i wanna see it

[thick marsh]

Python of all things 💀

[near mirage]

their all community made

[thick marsh]

Yeah it looks amazing

https://youtu.be/C3wvEXivVS8?si=U3ixuBXQ2yukcbae

[near mirage]

its hard to mod a game with hard coded systems and no modding tools

[rocky wasp]

No but I have some small clips of it in my discord

When I can I might make a video showcasing the Ragdolls physics

[near mirage]

saw the parkour video

[rocky wasp]

Yea that one

[near mirage]

the classic overflow message from ue

[rocky wasp]

That overflow message could go summon a fucking goblin for all I care

[near mirage]

lol

i dont even believe it effects performance its just there

[runic dirge]

mb wrong photo

[junior ivy]

please

[forest ledge]

Who is Ryan

[forest ledge]

And wtf

[junior ivy]

ya bro what did ryan doa

[runic dirge]

its a song lol

[shy patrol]

Yes make NPCs message u this stuff when you kill their friends

[surreal forge]

Its not gonna be Euphoria but a basic remaster of somesort.

[rare gazelle]

This is basically euphoria ragdolls and then some

[surreal forge]

Huh?

[shy patrol]

.

[covert jacinth]

Not really

It's more like pain and reacting to hits

[surreal forge]

Um, that is the euphoria ragdoll system.

Thi would be a somesort of remake/remaster

[stuck coyote]

We are currently working on this, along with a euphoria ragdoll system 👀