Blood effected by gravity

[dusky silo]

if instead of a circle getting bigger it used physics to instead have blood trail down a wall or down somebody's leg. this has been done several times in video games but only some have really done it right one of those games in called overgrowth created by wolf fire games. they thankfully made lots of documentation on how they did it here is their first example of blood dripping on character entitys this can work well with other suggestions that people have made like heavy artery bleeds and dismemberment this can also pair very well for reactions with the active ragdoll system making reactions to hits way more fluid. (should be restricted to lower vfx setting on quest for performance) can also be used to find runaway enemy's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6iKsHM_Fsc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1IsxDQ5cPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta5SYgh5kDwwhat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lp3HD3RQOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb6OlYl8x9s

[stiff forge]

Awesome bro im with u

[wicked estuary]

same

[dusky silo]

im pretty sure a game called half sword does it too

[tepid latch]

There's some Gmod addons that do this too lol

[dusky juniper]

Nice

[dusky silo]

i know i kinda mentioned it with the half sword suggestion the vfx artist who made those mods works on that game now

[dusky silo]

new video

[dawn stump]

It would hinder performance quite a bit depending on the amount of players, would need a setting to choose how much blood would show and would prob need to be defaulted to off because of headset's performance but would be a neat thing to have for the cloth around a wound

[dusky silo]

a game did this in 2009

[dawn stump]

was it a vr game?

[dusky silo]

no computers are very powerful now even the quest by making the streams more pixilated

[dusky silo]

half sword does it well at high graphics GODDANM SOWMODE

[dawn stump]

Played the game, pretty good but suck at it ngl, but it would have a lot more of an effect on performance in vr, much more on standalone vr systems like the quests

[dusky silo]

yeah they could just make it only on the characters

[dusky silo]

actually there was something like this on quest in blade and sorcery theres a mod that adds it ive heard it runs pretty good i dont play standaloe i just use a standalone headset

[dawn stump]

I'll have to check out the mod on nomad and see how it runs, but it would still be a good option for the game to have a blood amount slider just so that you can change it if you want to

[dusky silo]

yeah i think they can restrict some vfx features on quest

[dawn stump]

Im thinking of just outright having it defaulted to the lowest (not 0) and have a little tip thing saying that you can up the amount if you want

[dusky silo]

that does sound like a good solution

[meager badge]

Bump

Add this dev team he cooked

[heady iris]

With ue5 I'd think this would work

[dusky silo]

yeah i think it would work on quest at low settings they managed to do it in 2009 so id bet they can do it now

[meager badge]

I wanna pump juices on the wall

[lost imp]

The thing with this is performance stuff and ik you talked about it with settings for that but i think just particles would be best with a slight splatter. Like vails gore sort of but also with wall splatters and stabs like blade and sorcery

[dusky silo]

blood dripping down walls if its made well its really not that performance heavy

[lost imp]

I think that could easily be done with mods

[dusky silo]

the game features shouldnt all be mods

[charred wyvern]

yeah this would be brtter left as a mod

[lost imp]

This is better as a mod but there should for sure be better gore than what they’ve shown so far

[dusky silo]

im pretty sure this would need to be coded in the base game galaxy high marshal the developer started off by making mods but could not make it to this level until he became a vfx artist towards halfsword thats a good example why i think it should be coded in the base game

[charred wyvern]

i think it’d be too gory for the quest store

[dusky silo]

also its very hard to mod something in like that with out an sdk for it

[dusky silo]

theres some pretty gorey quest games i get gorn is kinda cartoonish but still pretty gorey

[charred wyvern]

imo the developer should create a tool allowing for easy creation of vfx like these but not include it in the base game

[lost imp]

What he said

[dusky silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgIWZSIMAK8&t=23s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1C9wXd8vzM i dont think you can make a sdk for this

[charred wyvern]

i’m not really a game developer, couldn’t this be done with just a material in ue5?

[dusky silo]

no its completly effected by gravity it took a few people to make this heres a demo for this tech https://christianschott.github.io/demos/fluidflow/index.html

[charred wyvern]

this is unity tho, i only ever created materials in ue5 so i dont really know the difference

[dusky silo]

yeah the creator made an even better system in a game called half sword https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99dtijC1bI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfKYfs1p-0

[dusky silo]

i think it would be possible to make animated blood particle but not with gravity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZppydWUs7o&t=9s

[charred wyvern]

yeah it’s still good tho and probably less expensive in terms of performance which is really important on vr

[dusky silo]

actaully physics based dynamic blood isnt that damging to performance i can run games with it at max graphics on a 1060TI

[charred wyvern]

interesting will look into it later

[buoyant aurora]

W suggestion @dusky silo

[dusky silo]

thank you any criticism i always want to improve

[heady iris]

People always say "what about performance?" The only ones that need to worry about performance are quest two players which is why a toggle would be in place. Quest three could probably handle huge blood splatters.

[lost imp]

I was also trying to say since the devs want gore to stay as mods for the most part that just a slight gore like that would be best

[heady iris]

Oh I misunderstood

[charred wyvern]

are you DUMB??? PERFORMANCE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN GAMES, PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE WORST

[heady iris]

Then just have a toggle for it as said previously, when I'm playing VR I like intaking my surroundings and feeling like I'm in the real world. I don't want to see trickles of blood when someones chest cavity is blown out. - unless your playing comp performance should not be your top priority in my opinion

[south turret]

when did the devs say that?

[lost imp]

They’ve stated that they will further improve gore but they want to leave a lot of it to modders

[charred wyvern]

it’s a vr game it has to run 120fps on low end systems, the creators top priority should be to have good optimization, it’s clear you do not know what you’re talking about

[dusky silo]

yeah the only issue is this wouldnt be moddable

[dusky silo]

yeah but stuff like this isnt actually to heavy on systems if thats your concern

[heady iris]

Ah yes, me liking games looking good over performance is me not knowing what I'm talking about. If vrs main purpose is to "imerse people" then why would you not want stuff to look realistic and good overall. No one plays VR chat, for example, for the performance. Of course it's not a pvp but unless this game has pro snd or some sort of pro pvp mode it won't matter as much. I think to "immerse people" you want your game to look good. I see what your saying, I get it, it is quite annoying when your trying to pvp and you have lag spikes. But I think that's the trade off you must have if you want a good looking game. That's why I said in my opinion I wasn't trying to cause a argument but yet you continue to debate. Let's just agree to disagree because I don't want to have a debate on something that I'm only a consumer in. Maybe that's why I don't understand your pov that much. But if your product looks trash then idk why anyone would want to play it.

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And like the dude said, blood should be able to be supported on meta quest (idk about quest 2.) but I've seen gory things run well on quest three because I have one. Particles should have no issue either unless the devs let you spam them.

And meta quest is what I would assume you'd think is a low end headset.

[dusky silo]

i think vfx and features arent really a big performance hit on quest i really think textures and lighting take a huge hit

[heady iris]

I guess but at the same time that is the trade off you have. Honestly id like to see stuff like that stay as mods.

[charred wyvern]

you don’t play games for performance, you don’t play games with bad performance

[dusky silo]

i think you should just stop at this point you keep making your point over and over again

[charred wyvern]

also agreeing to disagree is for oussies who ain’t understand shi about this world

[charred wyvern]

some people just won’t get it 🚬

[dusky silo]

what?

[heady iris]

He's just mad I won't argue with him, d1 ragebatier right here.

[charred wyvern]

turtle 07 said “let’s just agree ro disagree” and that just defeats the whole purpose of yk communication and the human ability to transfer thoughts and ideas thru abstract words

[heady iris]

Because we both have different ideas and we obviously don't agree with eachother nor will our point of views change and I don't want to argue forever. - this is what I was trying to avoid.

[charred wyvern]

that’s why communication exist mg u know you can argue without “rage baiting” ong

[heady iris]

We weren't going to have a cohesive conversation and I knew that from the moment you typed in all caps at the beginning. It was always going to be one sided on both ends. - sorry, slow mow, give it a sec.

[charred wyvern]

u playing pc or quest?
ps. the all caps was cus i accidentally pressed caps lock
if pc then what specs

[dusky silo]

i play both

[heady iris]

Oh, my bad then. No, I don't play PC, I don't have the money to afford one. I mean I have a laptop but its for school and can't run games.

[dusky silo]

i got a 1060 that can run halflife alyx at max graphics

[charred wyvern]

so basically if it wasn’t for invisible optimizations and compromises most games wouldn’t run on quest, that’s why i got kinda pressed bout u saying performance doesn’t matter, it really does and the devs have to balance performance and graphics in a way that isn’t sacrificing one for the other

[heady iris]

Wait, before I say anything. I thought the games ran on the PC and the quest was just a display? - I don't use pcvr

[dusky silo]

yeah performance does matter but you can definitely optimize these blood effects you can get rid of pbr's and compress it or maybe just compress it

[heady iris]

I see what your saying now, you don't want to be playing at 19 fps but you also want a good looking game.

[charred wyvern]

1060 is so godly it was cheap and good even back in the day, what happened man😔
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imo immersion isn’t determined by graphics but by how many and how predictable and fun the mechanics in a game

[heady iris]

I agree with that. And with squeakers not being in the game. 😂 if you would've lead with that id probably have had my opinion changed sooner. Because I used to spend hours on recroom because of the mechanics - parkour + pvp but it looked like shi.

[charred wyvern]

i think they could be done as a spawnable decal actor(the spreading effect could be a material) that spawns in the same line as the bullet but with limited distance and if there is no wall in that distance it would create a spreading decal on the ground the dameged entity is standing on

[dusky silo]

i do not think this will be performance heavy though seeming as this has been a thing since like 15 years ago

[charred wyvern]

don’t forgot it’s unreal engine 😂🙏 and not source

[dusky silo]

yeah but also ue has some great performance options so it could be better

yeah ue 5 needs a bit more performance updates

[charred wyvern]

it needs to be burned down and not be looked back at

[heady iris]

I forgot source engine was used for VR games. I thought valve had made a entirely new engine. Cool fact.

[dusky silo]

they did make a new engine it was just source 2

[heady iris]

Valve isn't a company I'm really interested in rn. Mainly because I'm a console gamer so I didn't know that either. The only games I know of by them even is half life, gmod, cs, and tf2. I have seen some of there tech demos to like there VR headsets. They are really cool! Id like to see counter strike 2 VR being a thing though tbh.

[dusky silo]

idk what mike Shapiro posted though he never does voice actor of barney and gman

[dusky silo]

he only ever posts when a new half life game is gonna come out

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-dog-im-fr-an-eater-qazira-dog-tongue-freaky-dog-tongue-gif-14576727459878736156

[dusky silo]

this thread has fallen off😭

[dusky silo]

81 upvotes let’s get to 100

[wheat mortar]

81 upvotes let’s get to 101

[dusky silo]

what im saying

[wheat mortar]

I have higher standards

🤵‍♂️🍷

[dusky silo]

indeed

[bronze flower]

im with this

[dusky silo]

almost to 90 upvotes btw give any feedback abt the suggestion idc

[dusky silo]

One more

BOOOYAHH

[covert forge]

they could use fluidflux fluid simulation to achieve this as they would be able to make the blood dynamic

[glacial hornet]

or use some niagra stuff fluid flux is to much for a small scale thing like this

[covert forge]

ig but its still the best on the market right now for a relitively low price

[dusky silo]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/painting/fluid-flow-2-143786 yeah but i wonder if theres something like this but for ue5

https://christianschott.github.io/demos/fluidflow/index.html

[covert forge]

There is it’s called fluid flux

https://www.fab.com/listings/196c70cd-1283-4249-bf6b-c3019d1cbe11

[dusky silo]

daym thats exspensive just for the thing we want to do

[covert forge]

So the blood can be simulated and it would react with the environment

[dusky silo]

i would say we could use it for a water map for boats but from my knowledge on how water like this works is that its made from tiny particles so it would be made up of thousthands maybe millions of particles

[covert forge]

I don’t know exactly how fluid flux works but they have a demo and there is a whole 140km by 140km ocean map and it runs at about 300 fps on my computer

[dusky silo]

i still dont this this would work they could probably ask for help from the half sword vfx guy he helped make that unity one i think

[covert forge]

Ye but why use vfx when you can have dynamic blood that interacts with the world around it

[dusky silo]

thats what im saying

[covert forge]

But fluid flux is dynamic???

[dusky silo]

yeah but its for like entire oceans

[covert forge]

But it can be used on small scales

[dusky silo]

okay but what about the price point i feel its a little crazy

[idle mulch]

bump

[dusky silo]

ON MORE UPVOTE TO 100

[dusky silo]

Half Sword GalaxyHighMarshal

[idle mulch]

bumpp

[idle mulch]

100 VOTESSSS

[covert forge]

cool

[wheat mortar]

Hooray

[covert forge]

Is that publicly available though

[south turret]

no..?

[dusky silo]

not yet wip

[south turret]

no, it’s never gonna be public? he worked to make that, what makes you think he’s just gonna post it in the asset store for anyone to use?
either way, devs like this, i don’t see them using unity asset store things. all from scratch

[dusky silo]

i think he was saying that because that developer made one on the asset store

[south turret]

did he?

[dusky silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg2T3Ij_zAo

[south turret]

well, that is just for the walls, not when blood sprays out, but i see the vision.

[dusky silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeSuDKt3mA heres the other game hes currently workinng on

[south turret]

i’m in the half sword server, i know all about his work

[dusky silo]

oh

[south turret]

he’s done things with gmod, rdr2, gta 5, half sword, the unity asset store, etc

[dusky silo]

yeah sucks he stopped making mods he make some here and there

[south turret]

i think he plans on making one for gta 6 on release, atleast i heard
also GOD why is this slowmode so long

[dusky silo]

ik theres a dll for cheat engine on the nexus store

[willow axle]

Bro I love half sword! HALF SWORD 🔛🔝

[dusky silo]

ong its so good i might play it rn

[willow axle]

I would love to see half sword adding a vr port or a mod that allows vr that would just be the cherry on the top for me

[willow axle]

Did you play the beta pr the playtest the plates is much better in my opinion

[willow axle]

Don't tempt me lol it's so addictive, do u play beta or playtest?

[dawn stump]

playtest

I suck at the game so much that i managed to die to the dummy

[dusky silo]

i play the playtest im a day one i played on of the first itch.io versions they had slowmo then

[dusky silo]

have you played crisis response?

[willow axle]

Nah is that like ready or not?

[willow axle]

Same I'm a day one player aswell saw it on steam liked it and wanted to see more so I wishlists it I saw a beta got excited saw their tiktok and downloaded it then I got the playtest. Still really fun tho

[willow axle]

Same lol if you find it difficult you can change the game settings so you take less damage or if you want you can mod it with a trainer so you can be invincible and have super strength, half sword mods are the best

[dusky silo]

it wasnt on steam day one?

[dusky silo]

there's also a dll on nexus for cheat engine

[graceful sable]

on itch.io was outdated version or on steam i dont remember, but it was

[dusky silo]

English?

[graceful sable]

yes ig

[dusky silo]

Itch is the outdated one and the steam demo too the latest is the up to date one

[viscid flicker]

parabola

[dusky silo]

what

[dusky silo]

please i need to know

[viscid flicker]

projectile motion

[dusky silo]

oh

[dusky silo]

100 upvotes lets gooo