Dune - Frank Herbert

[noble anchor]

I searched up a video to hear some of the name pronunciations so I could say them correctly in my head, really helpful

[austere burrow]

Ooo want to share?

[noble anchor]

https://youtu.be/P2AmCQF39wc?si=8af9RDfA5NM7T27m

I was specifically looking for Hawat

[austere burrow]

ha-WATT is how I say it

I will watch it later!

[noble anchor]

Chapter 4
||Halleck seemed a bit annoyed when he wondered if Jessica was teaching Paul, deep training as he puts it. The Reverend Mother also seemed a bit annoyed for the same reason. According to the glossary, Bene Gesserit is a school primarily for female students, so is that why they got annoyed? Or is it because he can be Kwisatz Haderach? Also, about this last term, I don't understand the glossary entry: do Bene Gesserit look for a cure for the male Bene Gesserit, or is the male Bene Gesserit the cure/what they are looking for?||

[muted locust]

|| for me it was all the little decisions leto made that were honorable towards the people of arrakis, i dont think they directly caused his downfall but the atreides never sunk down to the level the harkonnens did, their lack of malice even when in a war of assassins reminded me of the starks, and that might be one of the reasons the harkonnens were able to kill the duke ||

[muted locust]

|| oh and also by what i meant by their honor being their undoing, because their honor made them so popular and was one of the reasons why the emperor felt threatened by leto, and probably a big source of the rivalry between the atreides and harkonnens because of their opposing ideologies ||

[austere burrow]

Agree! Also what’s sadder ||”doomed by the narrative” or “every choice you made was morally right but you still lost”?||

[muted locust]

|| SAME THIS THOUGHT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT HAHAHAAHA ||

[austere burrow]

For real!

[ripe holly]

I think everyone believes that || women or females have a better control over their emotions and can handle B.G powers properly. They don’t trust that Paul wouldn’t misuse the B.G ways, maybe ||

[ripe holly]

Regarding your last question, || the male B.G is the cure they’re looking for, but Paul wasn’t supposed to be that male. Jessica was supposed to have a daughter, and I think maybe that daughter’s son was planned to be the male B.G ||

[brave zenith]

Once more unto the breach 🫡

I am CONSISTENTLY reading “lasgun” as lasagna

[brave zenith]

End of ch. 21: UHHHHH || “I don’t feel like wrestling”??? is the baron drugging sex slaves?? And they look like Paul???? the implications here ||

[tepid bough]

IKRRRRRIKR

IKR

IKRIKRRRRRR

IKRRTHHH

I GAGGED

[brave zenith]

And isn’t… ||Paul his grandson? ||

[tepid bough]

YES

|| when i found out in ch 22 i think, i went back to the page you spoke about and re-read what the baron said and the disgusting realisation dawned on me lol ||

[brave zenith]

what a terrible bit of information to know

[tepid bough]

the worst

[ripe holly]

extremely curious

[noble anchor]

I think I read chapters 4, 5 and 6 yesterday, but the fact that they are not marked is driving me crazy, I need to constantly count them

[austere burrow]

Well he doesn’t know that

[zealous bridge]

im so excited to reread this omg i think once im finished with the poppy war audiobook im gonna start this one just because i cant wait LMAO

reading everyones thoughts is so fun, im picking up a lot that i didnt realise when i first read it so its lost of fun

[austere burrow]

I’m so excited that everyone’s so geared up for this!

[muted locust]

I numbered them all before starting the book, might help if u number them all at once

[noble anchor]

yeah I might need to put some post-its with the chapter numbers next to each citation

[muted locust]

This was hinted early on || in chapter 2 when baron talks about... paul's body 🤢🤢 ||

[austere burrow]

I can make a list too if that would help

[austere burrow]

Yeah def still gross

[noble anchor]

Don't worry! I have some small post-its I can use, and it is also easier than having to constantly check my phoe. Thank you anyway

[brave zenith]

Oh okay at least there’s that

[umbral anvil]

@austere burrow will we BR the rest of the series?

I'd definitely join it

[austere burrow]

Yes I’d love to!

[zealous bridge]

i forgot about this part nd oh god i remember reading that bit for the first time nd not picking it up, then it hit me like 3 pages later nd i actually turned back like "excuse me WHAT" lmaooo

[brave zenith]

So much of this sneakiness and plotting goes way over my head

[austere burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[tepid bough]

i planned on finishing this book by the end of the week but lol its saturday and im only 329 pages in

[ripe holly]

I'm in the 11th chapter, don't know how many pages that is, for its the audiobook

[zealous bridge]

reading this nd a stephen king book at the same time is honestly so great but takes so many braincells needless to say this has been moved up my tbr so im gonna read this nd then the poppy war i think i just cant hold back anymore

[umbral anvil]

Starting today

[brave zenith]

Up to ch. 27: ||what the heck has happened to Paul 😭 it’s like he has just suddenly come online? or something??? suddenly he’s a mega genius? 😭||

||Is this because his BG training is meant to kick in at this time? or just because he’s space Jesus???||

[brave zenith]

47% done

[umbral anvil]

I STARTED AND WHAT THE FUCK

PAUL IS AS OLD AS ME HELLO????

[tepid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-17405899726704623697

[zealous bridge]

the fact hes so young is actually kinda terrifying when you think about it with like. everything in the book

[austere burrow]

[brave zenith]

He seems so much older to me! I think bc I’m picturing lil Timmy Tim

[austere burrow]

I just looked it up, and omg, he’s 28, lol. I thought he was a lot younger

[brave zenith]

Yeah he has a babyface fr, he even did an SNL bit about it

[austere burrow]

Which is funny cause he doesn't even have like a round face. He's just got Jojen Reed syndrome lol

[umbral anvil]

I picture someone who looks like me but short

I’m just skinny and tall

[austere burrow]

Yeah I think he is described as med height. He's def just a little guy

[karmic nymph]

Yeah I think he is
described as med height. He's def
just a little guy

- Tink the spring snek

[austere burrow]

Thank you haikubot

[brave zenith]

This is Paul fr:

[sudden spindle]

Muad'dib!

[austere burrow]

[brave zenith]

[austere burrow]

Ooo same Dune server

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[brave zenith]

Hehehe I needed the emotes

[austere burrow]

My favorites

[brave zenith]

[austere burrow]

[brave zenith]

LMFAOOOOO

[austere burrow]

Sorry, I have an eighth grade sense of humor

[ripe holly]

He’s much much younger than me 😭

[ripe holly]

Wait, I’ve got this wrong. I thought he was in his late teens when he left Caladan

[austere burrow]

No he’s like 15-16

[ripe holly]

Okay I was right then

[austere burrow]

He’s 15

[muted locust]

He's a BABY BOY

[austere burrow]

Oh I guess I would classify 15 as late teens

[ripe holly]

Ah so you were talking about timothee chalamet

[austere burrow]

Oh yeah I was

Timmy Tim

[muted locust]

Im right before part 2 starts, havent read chapter 22 yet but will get to it when im on the plane tomorrow 🙏

[ripe holly]

I have three book club deadlines before Dune so imma be slow

Got over-enthusiastic on discovering buddy reads this month 😂

[austere burrow]

We’ve all been there

No rush, there’s plenty of times

[dense atlas]

im still there and its been 2 years

[tepid bough]

this br ends in june right?

i think i’ll have to put dune aside first to catch up on my other reading

[austere burrow]

Correct, end of June. Enjoy your other reading!

[tepid bough]

thank you tink

[noble anchor]

Chapter 7
||Okay, I wonder what is "The One"... Do Mapes mean "the one to birth the chosen one?" or is Jessica more important than I am seeing?
Also, why is Jessica the concubine and not wife if he doesn't plan on getting on with anyone else? Maybe it is because of something political? ||

[austere burrow]

Yeah exactly ||as long as he’s not married, he could still make a potential match that could be advantageous for the House||

[noble anchor]

||Okay that makes total sense. What I gathered from that chapter is that she was bought by him? Not exactly as a slave, but bought nonetheless? ||

[austere burrow]

I don’t think ||money changed hands but I could be wrong||

[noble anchor]

||Oh, maybe I misunderstood it.
He remembered that the lay sisters at the school had called her skinny, so his buyers had told him.
This is what I was referring to||

[austere burrow]

Oh maybe then

Idk my researching isn’t turning up anything, so yeah, I have to agree with your conclusions

[umbral anvil]

OMG I love this book

I'm 40 pages in

[fast quartz]

Pg 144-145
||The Fremen are amused by shields because they are a shining beacon for the sandworms which is an irony... 🤔
And they wanted to parade a few captive sardaukar in Landsraad in order to provoke and make the Landsraad join them against the imperial and harkonnen forces. This is what I have understood from this. ||

[ripe holly]

Chapter 12 -- I have a couple doubts here.

1. ||“Well, gentlemen,” he said, “our civilization appears to’ve fallen so deeply into the habit of invasion that we cannot even obey a simple order of the Imperium without the old ways cropping up.”
   Dry chuckles sounded around the table, and Paul realized that his father had said the precisely correct thing in precisely the correct tone to lift the mood here. Even the hint of fatigue in his voice was right.” ||
   In this quote, what does || old ways || mean? What was so right about || what Leto said, and how did it lift the mood at the table||?

2. || “Leto smiled. “We’ll bank the entire tithe openly in the name of Shaddam IV and deduct it legally from our levy support costs. Let the Harkonnens fight that! And we’ll be ruining a few more of the locals who grew fat under the Harkonnen system. No more graft!”||

This was said related to the || smugglers. || I never quite understood ||what these smugglers actually do -- they sell spice illegally to other houses? Or to the guild||? And how does this || legal deduction from their levy support costs affect the Harokonnens||?

[noble anchor]

Chapter 12
||I really like that we see how important water is, specially for the Fremen. The scene where the Fremen leader spit on the table as a sign of trust and alliance was really eye opening. He was literally giving up water on his body to show his commitment. It is a nice concept||

[noble anchor]

I have the same questions!

[brave zenith]

this book is TOO LONG

it is so GOSHDARN LONG

I’m 450 pages (halfway) in and OH MY GOODNESS

I will read the next 50% soon.. eventually

[noble anchor]

Chapter 16
||And we meet the worms! I wonder if Paul will somehow tame/ride one of them one day...
Also, I like Kynes! ||

[austere burrow]

You can break it up in 3 parts to break it up

[tepid bough]

same

what consoles me is that i’ve already finished the 1st book, so i can read 1 book of dune per month

[austere burrow]

Yessss

[brave zenith]

Yes I’ve read book one too

That’s a good idea

[noble anchor]

Damn, you guys have huge editions mine has 529 pages (without appendices and glossary)

[austere burrow]

Mine is similar

[noble anchor]

This is mine

[austere burrow]

Including appendices mine is 535

[brave zenith]

I have the kindle version

[tepid bough]

this is beaut

[noble anchor]

lol I don't remember taking this picture, I was already lying down in bed

[ripe holly]

Anyone who’s finished reading chapter 12 please help us confused folks

[noble anchor]

specially the second one

(for me)

[drifting karma]

29% ||welp rip mapes i kinda liked her||

[austere burrow]

I could never claim to understand everything Frank Herbert has ever written. I think in some areas you just kind of accept when he says for example ||”that was exactly the right thing to say”. It doesn’t matter if it really was or if you understand why, as long as you can accept that to Paul in that moment, it was the right thing to say and here was the effect on the men. It’s a little tell rather than show, but all writing is a little tell at times.

As for the smuggler stuff, basically yes there are smugglers, they harvest spice outside of the accepted channels (outside of Harkonnen control) with their own equipment and sell it off-world. It’s technically illegal, but allowed because the imperium essentially wants to have sources of spice outside of the Harkonnen in case anything happens to them. Plus, it’s just supply and demand, when demand is that high, people will do anything to supply the product.

The Harkonnen were accepting bribes from smugglers to look the other way. Leto doesn’t want to continue that practice because it’s not honorable, so he’s saying they’ll take the bribe, openly acknowledge the income and tithe it, which means they’re paying taxes to the Imperium on the bribes they’re accepting. And if anyone in the Imperium calls them out on it, they can basically point to the Harkonnens and be like, well they were just accepting it and keeping it.||

Maybe I don’t have that quite right ||I think they were proposing to give the entire bribe to Shaddam, but deduct it from their taxes. If you don’t know how tax deductions work, let’s say you made $100, but you spent $20 on supplies for your business. Since that’s a business expense, you can deduct it from your taxes. If the tax rate in 5%, then 5% of 100 is $5, but after the deduction, your taxable income is $80, and 5% is only $4. Not a lot of difference. Now imagine there’s like six 0s at the end of those figures and that’s a savings of like a million bucks. That’s a big difference!|| anyway taxes

[fast quartz]

pg 171
|| with the emperor plotting against the atriedes and willing to send sardaukars disguised as Harkonnens, its tough to believe that he may once have wished for good relations though 🙄 ... ||

Pg 184-202
|| Kynes said "my climate".. which could mean that Dune didn't actually have such a dry climate and this has been created probably by the scientist Kynes...! Maybe this is another way the emperor wants to control other houses. Also there is a way to evade the worms and Kynes lied..||

pg 262
|| Yeuh attacked Leto and drugged him... In the previous chapter I had been silently screaming at Jessica to realize it was Yeuh she should be worried about! and I don't believe about Yeuh's claims of getting Jessica and Paul to safety with the Fremen. Let's see.. tbh I feel really sad for Leto. I had thought he would be killed in the settlement itself but now he's forced to go with Yeuh's plan of killing the Baron. Leto is devious though so maybe something else can happen..||

[ripe holly]

Thanks so much for taking the time!!
I think I still don’t quite get all of it, like || how exactly it affects all the locals getting fat under Harkonnen system. || But I think like you said, the important part is to understand the essence, || which is that they’re trying to do better and smarter. ||

[austere burrow]

I can see how it would ||affect the locals. So when he says fat he means getting rich, and to my mind, if you’re going to be bribed as an important person, you don’t take it directly, right? They talk a lot in this book about keeping your hands clean. So you have people for that, and that underling may use an intermediary between them and the smuggler, so they can have deniability too. But every time you add an intermediary you have to pay them, right? Not only for the actual service but to keep their mouth shut about the shady shit. So yeah, there were probably “couriers” in Carthag making a nice sum of money for delivering these bribes||

[ripe holly]

Ahhh!!!!!!

[austere burrow]

Found this on tumblr

Some people took the mushroom influences a little too seriously I see, though at the same time, this fucks so hard

[brave zenith]

that is SO CAMPY

[austere burrow]

Ikr? Like what are those bitches on the top left doing and why are they apparently going into battle wearing fetish gear?

[brave zenith]

THIS is the stuff that makes me want to keep reading. Gosh darn it

[austere burrow]

I mean, there’s nothing to stop you from reading Dune Messiah and picturing these little weirdos. Literally no one can stop us

[noble anchor]

Is this an actual cover?

[austere burrow]

Yes! Neil Gaiman said it’s the one he read as a kid and I feel like that explains SO much!

Damn it, sorry lae!!!

[noble anchor]

Omg I need it now

That's the prettiest cover I have ever seen, it is so wild and unreal

[austere burrow]

He may not have been a kid, but like when he first read it

[noble anchor]

LMAO maybe I don't need it

[austere burrow]

Damn

How did you even find it?

[noble anchor]

I searched "dune messiah wild cover"

[elder storm]

LOL scarlatte

[elder storm]

you can admire it from afar

[austere burrow]

It worked tho!

[noble anchor]

I'll print it with my shitty printer and use it as my book cover

[karmic nymph]

I'll print it with my
shitty printer and use it
as my book cover

- Scarlatte 🥕

[noble anchor]

Haiku pls, just give me money instead of praise

[elder storm]

my mom would say the same thing

[noble anchor]

Your mom is a wise woman!

[muted locust]

JUST FINISHED PART 1/BOOK 1
WOW CHAPTER 22 || IS FULL OF EXISTENTIAL DREAD. The whole part 1 felt like a tragedy more than anything else, and to see Paul experience the choking dread and the inevitability of his destiny, it really feels like his and Jessica's terror is palpable. Paul has begun to lose his humanity in exchange for an elevated conscience, he is becoming something more than human, but the loss of feeling feels monstrous, I understand why he feels like such a freak. To only feel cold calculation and practicality where he once felt a deep love and concern for his father is so scary and I feel so bad for Paul going through this as a 15 year old, I haven't really felt his age until this chapter where he's at his most vulnerable we've seen him so far.
He is no longer his own person, he no longer has any true agency or free will, he is merely a pawn in his own destiny that was unknowingly chosen for him by his mother when she gave birth to him. The way he's experiencing these revelations make me think of a person who is stuck at sea helplessly tossed around by the waves.
And I felt so sad for Jessica too; one day Paul is her young son she has to protect and advise and the next moment he's this superintelligent being that's barely acting like a person and he's now the Duke she has to serve. Her son the child has died, and now she's dealing with a stranger who she thinks could be the messiah ||

[noble anchor]

Chapter 16
||I loved this dinner, I loved the dynamics! Once again, I am rooting for Kynes||

[noble anchor]

Somewhere in chapter 17
||Wait, Jessica is pregnant??? ||

[noble anchor]

Chapter 18
||They were all suspicious of each other but I think none of them was suspicious enough of Yueh, which doesn't make sense to me. Why did Jessica discarded the possibility that he was the spy so quickly? Just because her wife is BG? Shouldn't she be more cautious? ||

[muted locust]

|| it's because he had psychological conditioning from the medical school he went to that was supposed to be unbreakable and make him unable to betray the house he serves, but the harkonnens got lucky and found something that overpowered his conditioning (his love for his wife) ||

[drifting karma]

34% ||dear lord not only is the baron a rapist he especially...likes....paul.... god how did leto fuck up killing him so bad??||

[noble anchor]

Chapter 21
||What the actual fuck, so the Baron likes children... I was not expecting that ||

[noble anchor]

I just finished chapter 22 and ||yikeeees, I was forgetting that ||

[noble anchor]

I just realized that I have all Dune books except the second one

[noble anchor]

Question for those who have read it and watched the new movies: Dune part 1 is the entire Dune book? What about Dune part 2?

[austere burrow]

Part 1 and 2 are the whole dune book. They split it up into two parts

[karmic nymph]

Part 1 and 2 are
the whole dune book. They split it
up into two parts

- Tink the spring snek

[austere burrow]

Thank you haikubot

[dense atlas]

isnt there going to be released a Dune part 3 movie? what about that?

[austere burrow]

Dune Messiah I assume. But idk I’m not Denis

[muted locust]

|| I understand why he did it, I'm so conflicted on whether it's justified or not because of how much damage he caused to others but at the same time, if he didn't do it he might have been abandoning his wife to a life of torture under the harkonnens since he wasn't 100% sure she was dead ||

[noble anchor]

||honestly, no, I don't think so. He knew that his wife was dead, he knew how disingenuous the Baron was... he should have known better really, I don't know. Like I understand, but at the same time not really. In general, these characters seem extra smart but really naive when it really matters (like Jessica dismissing Yueh right away just because his wife was BG (?))||

[tepid bough]

EXACRLY!!

[austere burrow]

This book is all about ||bad things you know are going to happen that you can’t stop. So yeah, I think it’s all well and good to say he shouldn’t have done that, but how could any one of us leave our loved one in a situation like that. I would argue he doesn’t know, we actually don’t even know she’s dead, we just have their word for it. Even if she is dead now, when did they kill her? Right before they killed Yueh? Like they literally could have been torturing her that whole time, we don’t know. And it’s that not knowing that’s the worst part for Yueh. I think he knew she wasn’t going to make it out of that situation alive, but there are worse things than death||

[muted locust]

exactly my thoughts

[noble anchor]

||I mean, I understand that, but in the end he literally sentenced hundreds of people to be hunted and murdered... I don't know if I would go as far as doing that for a loved one, because even if they survived in the end, I wouldn't be able to live with myself ever again... I understand that the premise is that love wins it all, but isn't it weird that the Imperial Conditioning was bypassed just like that? I feel like the fact that it was just casually mentioned that love could bypass the Imperial Conditioning is a bit odd. They happened to discover that? How? I mean, I'm not mad about it, it just seems unreasonable considering those conditions||

[austere burrow]

You bring up good points! ||iI always wondered if her being a Bene Gesserit had any affect, BG seem like they would be good at subverting things like that||

[drifting karma]

36% ||why is paul a robot now ||

[noble anchor]

||I'm still getting used to this as well lmao I guess he that such a big revelation that he just can't seem to act like a proper human now||

[drifting karma]

i made it to book two

[austere burrow]

He’s not??

What?

Oh do you mean he’s acting ||robotic?||

[drifting karma]

yeah lol

[austere burrow]

Ok I was confuse

[noble anchor]

Chapter 27
||So interesting that Jessica wants to continue Paul's lessons here in the middle of the desert, and the lessons themselves seem even more interesting, I really like Jessica, she is really clever and wise||

[noble anchor]

Chapter 29
||Uhhh, I am excited, they finally met some Fremen! ||

Chapter 30
||NOOOO, KYNES CAN'T DIEEEE 😭||
||Also, did he just mentioned mounting a worm??? I knew it, I had a vision of Paul riding a worm, I knew they used it! ||

[fast quartz]

Till pg 303 (the part when book one's about to end)
|| I am stoked! So much has happened and the only thing echoing in my head is how the Duke's death was futile. That Baron managed to avoid the poison gas and Piter died instead. At least Leto didn't feel much pain and died with a sense of fullness as stated. He inwardly thought this line,
The day the flesh shapes and the flesh the day shapes
I wonder what this means. Maybe he means that we are born and shape our day till we live... And we die due to certain circumstances in our days..||

|| also the way Jessica controlled that deaf man and everyone on that copter was amazing. And Paul being able to kill a man through a kick which crushes the right ventricle of heart 😬||

|| I am sad that Yeuh had to die too. I had been expecting that from the Baron who of course didn't keep his promise! At least Yueh helped Jessica and Paul escape. ||

[austere burrow]

I like your interpretation, I don’t always know what Herbert means when he says stuff like that lol

[brave zenith]

Uncle Frank be on some wild stuff

[fast quartz]

lol same..most of his lines go above my head

going to start book 2 tomorrow

[brave zenith]

sigh.. back to the spice mines

[austere burrow]

[brave zenith]

I’m up to ch. 35 and I truly have little to no idea what is going on

[pine bridge]

[brave zenith]

I feel like I’m reading a philosophy textbook mixed with an obscure anthropology textbook

Uncle Frank using a million words to say something nonsensical or unnecessary

ALSO ||between having to use the suits to begin with and then the SMELL FRANK KEEPS DESCRIBING… why do these people cling to life so bad, I would simply let a worm consume me||

[austere burrow]

Jnix is like sorry but I would ||literally rather die than be around unpleasant smells and you’re so real for that||

[brave zenith]

LMFAO

TRUE

[brave zenith]

73% in

[austere burrow]

Wow, you go!

[noble anchor]

I believe I am 58% in, life has been crazy and now I got an e-book version to see if I can read more, but it also means I lost completely how many chapters I am in, so I'll update once I finish book 2!

[thin oracle]

Is it really slow at the start?

I watched the first movie and it was really amazing.

didn’t watch the 2nd movie since I’m planning to read all of them

or maybe finish the book 2 before watching Dune2

[brave zenith]

I think because of how long it is it’s all feeling a little slow for me

Ch. 44: ||Im so confused about the worm juice. So the worm drowns and turns into worm juice which is poisonous but a reverend mother drinks the poison and spits it back out un poisoned? 😭😭😭 Uncle Frank what are you TALKING ABOUT||

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-what-are-you-talking-about-itysl-i-think-you-shoul-gif-27028245

I’m confused about everything so idk why the ||worm juice|| in particular is bothering me

[thin oracle]

yeah, i read some reviews that it’s slow at the beginning then gets interesting after

[brave zenith]

I am convinced Frank Herbert was on a massive amount of LSD while writing this

[austere burrow]

Yeah you got it!

[austere burrow]

Yeah you got it

[noble anchor]

This is the end of book 2, right?

[brave zenith]

I think so? One of the last chapters before book 3

[brave zenith]

But… but… it doesn’t make sense

I need to be on LSD probably

[noble anchor]

Yeah I finished book 2 now
||There is sooo much going on, I feel like we're all on a melange trip with all the characters ||

[brave zenith]

Yes!!! That’s exactly it

Maybe you’re supposed to just give in to the mania

[austere burrow]

Me to everyone reading this book:

https://tenor.com/view/stop-thinking-stop-it-clear-your-mind-dont-think-about-it-brenda-song-gif-14719771

[brave zenith]

ok I will turn my brain off and just enjoy the spice rollercoaster

[noble anchor]

First chapter of Book 3
||Okay so wr fast-forward 2 years! I am curious to know Jessica's daughter! ||

[brave zenith]

Ch. 48: ||Feyd-Rautha has lots of dark hair, why did they make my man Austin Butler hairless in the movie 😭😭😭||

[brave zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

I am without speech

That was a JOURNEY

Ok but this cover slaps

I feel like I have Stockholm syndrome

My GoodReads review

To summarize:

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-wtf-what-the-hell-gif-18274943883859558089

[tepid bough]

absolutely love this review

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-applause-round-of-standing-gif-20790999

[zealous bridge]

that review sums up why im rereading the book at all tbh i loved it because the world building was absolutely amazing nd i loved the characters but i was also SO LOST LMAO

[elder storm]

this statement is so slay

[austere burrow]

It was an aesthetic

[austere burrow]

This is the best thing I’ve ever read

[noble anchor]

I'm so motivated to finish it after reading this

[drifting karma]

54% ||did he just threaten to rape her 😃 ||

also i meant to ask this question a while ago but ||how tf did jessica know it was a girl like 2 weeks in?? bene gesserit training? even with that, i dont think thats how it works ||

[austere burrow]

Who?

[austere burrow]

Because she can ||determine the gender, though they never say how since egg doesn’t determine gender. Hmm||

[drifting karma]

||idk it never gave a name. the freman guy they meet||

[austere burrow]

54% so you’re still in Part 2?

[drifting karma]

yes

ill give u the page number

i do page number and precent from now on... i wish this had numbered chapters lol

page 370

uhhh paperback edition

[austere burrow]

Hmmm we probably have different versions

Is it when Paul and Jessica ||first meet Stilgar? I highly doubt he threatened to rape her||

[drifting karma]

oh yeah ||stilgar no he just straight up said i could rape you if i wanted||

[austere burrow]

At the first meeting? I just reread that chapter that starts “prophesy and prescience” and I do not know what you’re talking about

|| > “Women among us are not taken against their will…and with you…” He shrugged. “… even that convention isn’t required.”

Iggy, he literally said “we don’t rape women and I couldn’t rape you even if I wanted to because you would kick my ass”. Lmao||

[drifting karma]

oh i misunderstood then rip

[austere burrow]

No worries, I was just literally going crazy trying to figure it out. That was ch 32, just for reference

Damn it sorry lae

[cerulean leaf]

it's so funny that it keeps happening to you hahaha

[austere burrow]

@ is right next to the space bar, so if I miss the space and then start the next word with l, it’s like, oh did you mean to specifically ping this person even though you didn’t even type out their full handle? 🙃

And it only happens with you fml

[cerulean leaf]

LOL it's okay, it's bc i have a role called L actually

[austere burrow]

Ohhhh that makes sense

[drifting karma]

i think i might dnf this i feel like nothing makes sense and im not enjoying myself lol

[austere burrow]

Dang sorry to hear that iggy. Maybe some other time

[noble anchor]

I finished it!!!

What a wild ride

But that last sentence was

I'll write more in depth thoughts later!

[drifting karma]

ill keep the bookmark in the book... im halfway, so maybe one day I'll try again. just right now, im reading two other classics and theyre all kinda dense ... lol

[noble anchor]

Someone said Dune

[austere burrow]

I see what they did there

Of course it would not still be a good book if the spice was taken out of it

[tepid bough]

LOL

i might dnf this book

[brave zenith]

Another fallen comrade 🫡

[austere burrow]

Now her watch is ended

[tepid bough]

i will try my best to keep going

[elder storm]

there’s spice in dune??

[tepid bough]

yeah

like a lot of it

it gets fought over a lot

[elder storm]

[tepid bough]

yeah prepare yourself choco for a lot of spice

[elder storm]

i can deal with a lot of spice

i think

hopefully

[tepid bough]

you should've already read the spice

[noble anchor]

Yeah, actual spice

[tepid bough]

noo stop i was teasing lolz

[noble anchor]

omg I'm sorry, I actually thought choco DM me and I was answering to the DM (I was still sleeping when I replied)

[tepid bough]

HAHAH IT’S OKAY

[elder storm]

im more confused than any of you

i plan on starting this right after i finish #1167550133026684988, which should be by the first week of april

[austere burrow]

Choco, they’re just teasing you. Spice can mean sexual content, but in this context they’re talking about a substance called spice lol

[elder storm]

OHHHH

OMGGGG I GET IT

LOLLLLL

[austere burrow]

Can’t find a good gif lol

[elder storm]

[flint lagoon]

hellooooo I started this last night, my copy doesn't have chapter numbers or names but I think I'm finished chapter 5, about 50 pages in or 10%. so far I'm enjoying it ||even though I'm occasionally confused because there is so much terminology and sometimes different words are used for the same thing, like melange and spice. I'm finding the dialogue a little bit overwritten and awkward but I think that's because Herbert is using it to teach the reader about the world and there is so much detail to be conveyed||

I'm not sure how I feel about ||our getting the characters' thoughts in italics, it takes away a bit of the mystery and doesn't leave much room for reader interpretation. It is interesting to have everyone, characters and readers, know what is going to the happen to the Atriedes family before it happens. It leaves us waiting to see how things are going to play out, and is a surprisingly effective way of building interest and tension||

so far I'm having fun! I do feel like if I hadn't seen the films I would be extremely confused

[ripe holly]

Oh? I didn't think || it was over-written. I did feel some parts were redundant, but I assumed I only feel that way because I already watched the movie. || I'm listening to the audiobook, so I suppose || I don't mind hearing about the same things again. ||

[ripe holly]

Ah, || the movies certainly didn't us the thoughts, and I think the director did an amazing job at keeping the mystery. Even I felt a bit over-informed about characters' motives while listening to the book ||

[flint lagoon]

I think ||it feels overwritten because Herbert is using the dialogue for world building, and is trying to convey a lot of information in a short time so the dialogue sometimes feels unnatural or a bit awkward, because there's so much exposition in it||

I'm about 20% through now, ||the Atriedes staff council has just happened, and ooooh boy there are so many political machinations, it's hard to keep track of all the depth and the moving parts in this world. It really is a force of world building, I'm having fun sinking my teeth into it||

there are definitely things that I'm missing or not entirely getting, I feel like you could read this book 10 times and still learn new things about the world or understand new things about how all the parties are interacting

the Fremen are my favs, I love learning about their culture and all the ways they've learned to survive in the desert, and the way their survival strategies in turn become cultural behaviours, like the ||spitting on the table to show respect because water is so valuable to them||

[umbral anvil]

I'm like 13 percent in now

[flint lagoon]

I am finished book 1! still having lots of fun with this, even though I have some questions that maybe someone else can answer. ||How is it that Dr. Yueh managed to overcome his conditioning? was it a combination of love for his wife and hatred for the baron? Also, what's going on with Paul in that last chapter. Is it like a combination of Mentat affinity, Bene Gesserit training, and proximity to spice that's making him able to see all possible futures? ||

looking forward to seeing what happens next!

[umbral anvil]

I am enjoying book

Even though it takes 34643674589732 years for the action to happen LOL

[austere burrow]

This is the way

[idle surge]

hi

is it okay if I already started reading it?

[brave zenith]

Yes ! The BR started much earlier

[idle surge]

Wait really?

Perfect

[austere burrow]

Yeah, beginning of April, but it’s going to continue through June, so you have plenty of time

[idle surge]

Currently like 1/4 through

[noble anchor]

I am watching the 2021 movie and I never imagined Duncan as Jason Mamoa

[austere burrow]

Me neither, but I love it

[noble anchor]

I wasn't expecting Kynes to be a woman either

[idle surge]

:\ I still can't take him seriously

anyone with the name duncan idaho sounds goofy even in a modern day urban setting, let alone in a sci fi alien planet

[austere burrow]

Nooo leave Duncan alone!

[idle surge]

LOL

[brave zenith]

Yeah I pictured him way scrawnier!

[austere burrow]

He is described as more catlike

[flint lagoon]

I finished this! I haven't been great about updating my progress or typing up thoughts, but I definitely have some

my favorite part was book 2. I liked ||thinking through the implications of the Bene Gesserit sowing seeds all over the universe to ensure their own survival, and the Fremen and their prophecy being just one of these planted seeds. It strikes a balance between a deterministic universe in which everything is pre-decided, and a universe with a multitude of possible paths forward. There was also an interesting tension in book 2 between Jessica's Bene Gesserit training and her leaning into the prophecy to ensure her and Paul's survival, and Paul's reluctance to lead an uprising that would result in so much death. ||

[umbral anvil]

I need to read this now

I haven't picked it up in a while

I think I'm over a hundred pages in now

[flint lagoon]

I wasn't crazy about ||the time jump between books 2 and 3. I felt like it introduced characters like Alia and baby Leto that I didn't get a chance to care about. I also felt like we didn't really see Paul transition from reluctant leader to full-fledged religious icon, and the shift in his character felt a bit jarring. ||

overall, I give this book ||3 stars and am really glad to have read it, I found the wordbuilding and political machinations really fun to read about||

[idle surge]

@flint lagoon are you going to read 4?

[austere burrow]

You mean Dune Messiah?

[idle surge]

nuh uh

Dune God Emperor

[austere burrow]

That’s skipping ahead a bit

[idle surge]

how?

book 1 - Dune
book 2 - Dune Messiah
book 3 - Children of Dune
book 4 - God Emperor of Dune

[austere burrow]

We just read Dune?

I think they meant book 3, cause Dune is broken up into 3 parts

[karmic nymph]

I think they meant book
3, cause Dune is broken up
into 3 parts,l

- Tink the spring snek

[austere burrow]

Not the typo

But yeah, as far as I know, thelastpage has only read Dune

[idle surge]

what😭

[austere burrow]

Like literally what are you talking about?

[brave zenith]

Yeah book 1 is the first half of dune

Book 2 is the second half

[idle surge]

im so lost atm

[brave zenith]

Just call it part 1 instead of book 1 and it makes sense

[austere burrow]

You are the one who suggested reading God Emperor of Dune after someone read Dune

[idle surge]

then what does thelostpage mean when they say book 3?

[brave zenith]

Part 3 id say

[austere burrow]

Exactly this

[brave zenith]

Yeah!

[austere burrow]

Sometimes Part is called Book, but they mean part

[brave zenith]

“Book” in this case doesn’t mean the next novel/instalment in the series

[austere burrow]

Idk how else to describe it

Have you read Dune? lol

[idle surge]

😭

its like, lotr is 6 books, but I personally would just consider it 3 because its commonly published as 3 volumes or books

[brave zenith]

I’m surprised uncle frank didn’t come up with some other weird word to use for book

[idle surge]

even though its 1 book

[austere burrow]

Part 1 is like Paul, Part II is called Muad’Dib, Part III is called Prophet

[karmic nymph]

Part 1 is like Paul,
Part II is called Muad’Dib, Part
III is called Prophet

- Tink the spring snek

[idle surge]

huh

[austere burrow]

Yeah it’s all one book

One volume

[idle surge]

WAIT

does your dune have chapters?

[umbral anvil]

No

[brave zenith]

That’s fair but Tolkien himself called them parts, he never considered them separate entities

[austere burrow]

Not really

[idle surge]

nuh uh, 3 volumes, 2 books each, one giant uh book idk

[umbral anvil]

Dune doesn't have chapters, but like little section in each part/book with a heading at the top from Princess Irulan or something

[idle surge]

yeah

idk if my copy has parts

[umbral anvil]

Erm

They all have parts

[austere burrow]

Yeah it does

[umbral anvil]

They're just called Books

[austere burrow]

Lmao

[umbral anvil]

For some weird reason

[austere burrow]

Cause they were actually published separately

[idle surge]

OHHH your right

[umbral anvil]

THEY WERE?

ALSO

[idle surge]

wait rq would you guys consider them seperate books?

[umbral anvil]

I nearly got the hardback cover of Dune with the sprayed edges BUT IT WAS NEARLY 70 DOLLARS HELLO NOT IN THIS ECONOMY

[idle surge]

like if I read the 1st book, would it be okay for me to count it as a book I read this year?

[umbral anvil]

Uhh, I don't think so????

[austere burrow]

In a magazine or sumthn

[umbral anvil]

Maybe???

Omg I'm going crazy with question marks right now lol

[austere burrow]

No

[brave zenith]

I wouldn’t go that far lol then you could argue a single chapter could be a book. It’s just divided into parts

[umbral anvil]

Dune is silly

[austere burrow]

Yeah exactly. Buy or check out the book called Dune and read the whole thing lmao

How is this so complicated

[idle surge]

I am reading it

its soooo large though, gonna take me a whole month to finish smh

im currently at page 231

its awesome though

[umbral anvil]

Last time it took me three months to read it

Or two

[idle surge]

I got it like 5 days ago

[umbral anvil]

I forgot

[brave zenith]

Yeah she’s a hefty one

My eyes glazed over for some of it fr

[idle surge]

so at this rate, I would finish the book in 20 days total

do you guys have any tips for reading faster?

[austere burrow]

Not without sacrificing comprehension

[idle surge]

I already have very little comprehension while reading dune

[austere burrow]

So don’t sacrifice any more! Lolololol

[idle surge]

I should listen to an audiobook

idk how but this audiobook literally read it in 8 hours like what the heck😭

idk how I read so slowly but a book that takes like 5 hours would take like 15

idk how I read 300 wpm

[flint lagoon]

Oh I'm sorry for the confusion! No, I only read Dune, but my copy is split up into three parts and each one is called a "book"

I don't think I will keep going with the series because six books is a lot of commitment and I have other stuff I want to read, but I am interested to know what happens so I might find a video summary online or something!

[idle surge]

Yeah all the copies are apparently

[idle surge]

Same, you should read dune messiah and stop there

I heard the second book (dune messiah) was only written because people misinterpreted the first

[thin oracle]

any of you guys got a link where it explain what is a mentat, arakkis, etc. it’s pretty hard to read when I kept searching what it means in “dune terms”

[austere burrow]

There’s one in the pins

Here

[austere burrow]

I know he tried to use Dune Messiah to clear up some misconceptions, but I dont think that’s the only reason

[thin oracle]

I though mentats are assassins 😅

[austere burrow]

No lol

Just very smart esp when it comes to numbers and strategy

[thin oracle]

thanks for the link, no more guessing

[heady turtle]

I finally got to my mom’s house so I can actually start this one in the next few days

[thin oracle]

now I know why I thought Mentats where assassins. Piter, the Harkonnen’s Mentat/Assassin

[austere burrow]

Mentats can be assassins, but not all mentats are assassins. Hope this helps

[thin oracle]

Yeah I got that. The part where || Piter is telling Feyd what Baron's plan was and there is a part where Baron said Piter is a good assassin ||and maybe that clicked where in my head that Mentat's are some kind of Assassin's

and...

this is really a spoiler guys so don't open it if you haven't read it or are not even half way on the book

|| FUCK!!!! That was the first word that came out of my mouth when Paul said to her mother that her father is Baron || Who would've thought of that? I only watched Dune 1 (movie) and I never recalled that part maybe in Dune 2 they revealed it? || and house Atredis and house Harkonnen || are related!!!??? || the Bene Gesserit really are witches || crazyyyyyy

[brave zenith]

that was my exact facial expression reading this whole book

https://tenor.com/view/its-its-always-sunny-always-sunny-charlie-day-charlie-gif-16330640

[heady turtle]

yeah it's revealed in the latter half of part 2

[thin oracle]

I'm at 52% and it just sank in to me on how huge this book really is.

|| It's somehow unexpected yet expected that the Freman is paying the Guild to prevent other houses from putting satellites in Arakkis's orbit. Unexpected because the book tells us the Freman are just locals nothing more nothing less, yet expected because they possess the "diamonds" of the dune universe, and they know how to harvest it better than anyone else|| I love to learn more about the guild, they control the transportations and it cost a lot, || Baron also said that it cost more than 60 years of harvesting spices to pay the guild to transport the Hakonnen army ||
hopefully, the book will tell in more details on why there are no individual spaceships in each Houses and why the Houses relay on the guild for that.

[austere burrow]

That’s a good question ||I assume because they wouldn’t be able to fold space-time and travel at faster than light, since the Guild hoards that knowledge. It also takes a lot to train someone to become a Navigator and fold space-time, so it would be cost-prohibitive for individual houses to train their own. Plus the Guild is annoying, but they are neutral||

[thin oracle]

I can agree that || the Guild is annoying and neutral and also don't forget that they are expensive as hell ||

[elder storm]

i finally got a grip on this book i don’t know how to write my thoughts though since the chapters aren’t numbered

[austere burrow]

Count lol

You can also say what part/book you’re in, your current page number divided by total page count x 100 for percentage. Use the quote at the beginning of the chapter and I’ll tell you what number chapter you’re on, whatever works

[elder storm]

it’s hard to do it on an audiobook i thought that too

i’ll just write my thoughts on book one overall then

[austere burrow]

Do percentage then

[elder storm]

i don’t have page count, and the app im listening on doesn’t have percentage

[austere burrow]

Yeah just vibes then I guess. Idk lol

[elder storm]

[idle surge]

It is😭

I was proud of reaching 300 pages till I realized I’m not even half way through

I’m 37% into this book😭

[thin oracle]

hahaha we'll get through this tunnel

[thin oracle]

It crazy how the Book Two: Muad’dib and Book Three: The prophet is || two years apart || is a good thing, in my opinion, being almost a 900 pages book

[tepid bough]

i’m dreading having to pick this book up again

[thin oracle]

70% in and Hawat’s said to Baron that the Emperor || turned against House Atreidis because the Duke’s Warmaster’s Halleck and Idaho trained a small fighting force that can rival the Sardaukar ||

then why the Emperor decided for the Duke to move to Arrkis ? || to eliminate them easley? || || where they can recruit Fremen. they are arguably || || can best the Sardaukar 1 to 1 with a lot less fire power, imagine the Fremen having all the tool needed || It might be 5 to 1

Damn!!! If that’s even closed to the truth, the Emperor got no balls.

https://tenor.com/view/conan-plotting-evil-scheming-gif-7367095

new insight || the Sardaukar killed 20k Fremen and lost 100k troops ||

crazyyyyyy

[thin oracle]

76% in, Herbert took a long time before letting us know that || Gurney is alive ||

[thin oracle]

I think the most wholesome part of the book is when || Gurney and Paul saw each other again ||

[elder storm]

so i used some math and figured out i am roughly 10% into the book (or 2 hours 12 minutes), here are my thoughts so far
this is what i understand from the book: ||the harkonnen have devised a plan to attack the atreides family (duke leto’s family) as soon as they arrive on arrakis by disguising the sardaukar (which i think are lethal soldiers from the empire? or lethal soldiers from a planet where prisoners are kept) as their own army. duke leto is aware of this but still plans on going there because the ruler dictated so. paul is told he is a mentat which i think is a person with special abilities. to avoid destruction from the coming attack on dune, duke leto will try to gaslight (in a way) the fremen who are another fierce group into fighting for them. so there’s a whole lot of tension buildup there. also, that guy who i can’t remember, the one that gave the bible to paul, is betraying them because the enemy has something against him. who the hell is muad’dib? i think it’s supposed to be some sort of buildup? because muad’dib is being written about a lot in the epigraphs, with duke leto as his relative or something?? ||

[thin oracle]

|| Muad’dib is Paul’s Arrakis name given by the Fremen ||

also that part really confuses me too at the beginning.

|| Paul has a lot of names ||

82% in || fuck Gurney. He’s loyalty || got me teary eyed

[elder storm]

||ahhh yeah i figured it must be paul but it got confusing,|| thanku for the confirmation

[thin oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-funny-gif-23790195

[austere burrow]

||”gaslight the Fremen” umm I would have said persuade but other than that, you’re pretty close on everything||

[elder storm]

i’ve made it somewhere beyond chapter 11 i think and the politics just goes way past my brain

[elder storm]

until chapter 14
||i love how duke leto trusts jessica it keeps astounding me with each chapter how miserable the water situation really is at arrakis. since duke leto is aware of harkonnen’s plan, what is to happen next i wonder i don’t want duke leto to die though ||

[austere burrow]

Draught?

[elder storm]

wait idk if that’s what it’s called or not

what i meant was ||the lack of water ||

[austere burrow]

Ohhh drought sorry that’s what I thought you meant. Drought kind of implies a temporary condition, whereas Arrakis is pretty permanently waterless, that’s why I was confused

[elder storm]

ohh i see

[elder storm]

chapter 15
||dr kaynes is going to betray the duke, i got that, but why and by who even though paul is the main character he’s so forgettable, makes sense he was seated at a corner ||

i think i finally understand something

[tepid bough]

did you figure it out?

[elder storm]

no

||im assuming it’s by the harkonnen ||

[tepid bough]

yeah basically || the harkonnen had kept his wife and they said that if the doctor betrayed artreides he would get his wife back. ||

[elder storm]

||that was also the case with yueh, right?||

[tepid bough]

LOL STOP

WAIT

I MIXED THE TWO UP

MY BAD

i will just shut up for the remaining of this br omg im so sorry

[elder storm]

i will get a stroke by the end of this book

[tepid bough]

don’t say thatttt knock on some wood 😭

but understandable lol

[austere burrow]

||Yueh and the doctor are the same person||

Ohhh ||you mixed up Dr Keynes and Dr Yueh|| lol

[tepid bough]

yes 😭

[austere burrow]

I think choco did too

[tepid bough]

i need to pick this book up again. before everything goes haywire. i think i will finish up my brs this week and then dedicate next week to just reading dune

[tepid bough]

maybeeee

[elder storm]

no for once i did not

[austere burrow]

Oh ok then. I won’t say anything more cause spoilers

[thin oracle]

bruhhhhh

|| Leto ll is dead????? ||

[nova hull]

is it just me or is the dune mass market paperback version quality sucks

my pages are tearing from the spine of the book

[austere burrow]

Oof I have a super old copy and have never had that issue, so yeah prod quality for publishing must have gone down

Do you have the new cover?

[nova hull]

i dont know

[austere burrow]

This one?

[nova hull]

nuh uh

it has orange hills of sand

[austere burrow]

Or this one

[nova hull]

yup

[austere burrow]

I do love that one, it’s so cool

[nova hull]

btw

is it recommened to read the whole dune series?

i heard its kinda ass

[austere burrow]

I highly recommend at least the first 3. God Emperor of Dune is also good. After that, keep reading if you want to know how it ends. But the prequels, I haven’t read them all yet. I read the prequel ones for the three houses (House Atreides, House Harkonnen, House Corinno) and yeah, they are def not as good

The main 7 books are based on Frank Herbert’s notes, so at least you’re still tangentially related to his original vision

[nova hull]

alr

i will definitely take a note of that

[austere burrow]

Oh 8 my bad

[brave zenith]

I wanna get to god emperor bc I’ve heard some absolutely bashit stories about it

[austere burrow]

Yesssss GE is truly crazy

[idle surge]

Ikkkkkkk

[austere burrow]

Guys we could do it all together! I feel like they get easier after this one

[brave zenith]

They’re so much shorter

[austere burrow]

True

[thin oracle]

Finally finished Dune and it’s a 5/5

it can really be a stand alone book but I don’t want it to be so I’m continuing to read the series

[nova hull]

I just realized I've been reading dune for about 3 hours straight

[austere burrow]

What part are you at?

[nova hull]

I kinda forgot the page

I think I ended at pg. 235

[umbral anvil]

I just DNF’d the edition of dune on storygraph because i realised it didn’t have the same o age count as mine

Page

So now it might say I DNF’d it

I did not

Storygraph is a liar lol

[safe lintel]

Just remove the book instead of dnf-ing lol

[flint lagoon]

or change editions?

[austere burrow]

Yeah, change editions

[umbral anvil]

OKAY I went back into my storygraph history and changed editions

I never knew you could do that lol

[elder storm]

DUDE i just started using sg and even i know you can change editions

[elder storm]

i finished book one and am starting to like this book

kind of

part/book 1
||duke leto and jessica the way paul just recited the message though, why did he gain hyper awareness of everything in the universe? it can’t be the sudden shift of power making him duke, or the bg training. jessica fearing paul was so real paul was acting so high ||

[thin oracle]

|| I think the shock of knowing Leto died activated it. When he realized he doesn’t feel grief ||

[thin oracle]

speculations only

[austere burrow]

That’s a good question, ||I think a lot of things hit at the same time, like the perfect confluence of BG training, mental training, trauma and spice affecting his consciousness||

[elder storm]

hmm that would make sense,|| his shock may have made him feel numb all over too||

[karmic nymph]

hmm that would make sense,||
his shock may have made him feel
numb all over too||

- chocorb

[pine bridge]

stop

[thin oracle]

btw @austere burrow, any plans for br on Dune Messiah?

since you’re the BRL

[austere burrow]

Yeah I’d love to read all of them. I’ll probably do a little overlap with this one, since some people are finishing up

[thin oracle]

anyone watched dune part 2?

does it include dune Messiah or finished the 2nd half of dune?

[karmic nymph]

does it include dune
Messiah or finished the
2nd half of dune?

- chief_031

[austere burrow]

No, just second half of dune

[elder storm]

||he is already on a spiral, he’s like constantly high in the|| last chapter of book one

[tepid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-mescal-paul-mescal-film-bad-film-disappointed-mando-7721-gif-17014056321703248415

[thin oracle]

I just finished the movie and it's fucking irritating.

[austere burrow]

Oh interesting. What didn’t you like?

[thin oracle]

sorry for cursing btw.

The ending is full of 💩 || all the great houses don't accept Paul as the new emperor in return start the Jihad. Chani is hurt that Paul and Irulan are to be Wed whereas in the book she understands and Leto 2 is not born same goes for Alia. ||

The only thing that I missed from the book that happened in that movie is where || Margot and Feyd did the deed to secure the bloodline. || IDK how I missed that.

I was always on the other side where I watched the movie and then read the book and I always felt that the movie was better and the book was okay. Now,I feel the opposite of it.

[austere burrow]

I really liked the ending and the changes made. ||In this version Chani takes a much more active role and is a Fedaykin in her own right, whereas in the book she mainly falls to the background. I would argue she is also not like super excited that Paul is going to marry, and that’s why Jessica gives that iconic speech about “we who bear the name concubine history will call wives”. And I love that sentiment, but I think Chani in this movie as a vehicle for standing up for the Fremen and pointing out the way that outsiders take advantage of Dune, including Paul. I do agree it would have been nice to see Alia and I didn’t like how rushed the timeline was||

[thin oracle]

I was expecting || Chani killing some Fremen that wants to challenge Paul || that scene would be amazing.

[austere burrow]

The miniseries had that scene!

[thin oracle]

yeah, but the thing is I don’t like watching old movies or series.

I mean by old is the quality

[austere burrow]

Shame, the miniseries is actually my favorite adaptation, if you just want faithful adaptation. It's hard to find though. Not sure if I get what you mean by old quality though

[kindred sierra]

Does anyone know when this BR ends? I'm starting tonight 😊

[austere burrow]

June 30th, it’s also in the pins

[austere burrow]

Ch 8 “‘Yueh! Yueh! Yueh!’” ||Jessica looks at Yueh and thinks of a puppet, possibly seeing without understanding that he’s being controlled. Jessica and Leto both look at Paul and see each others physical features and that’s the sweetest gd thing I love the cross-talk in this chapter, Yueh concealing and Jessica aware but too trusting to find the the truth||

[thin oracle]

|| Yueh wasn't controlled.|| I don't wanna say more since you're still in Ch 8

[austere burrow]

I’ve read this book several times so no worries

Also I don’t mean ||literally controlled as in every movement, but yeah, he is being forced or coerced by the Harkonnen to betray the Atreides so how is that not control?||

[thin oracle]

Huge Spoiler Read only if you’re half way through the book
|| from what i understand is that Yueh was willing to sacrifice Duke Leto to kill Baron in the process. Yueh did all the Baron said with Yueh’s end game to kill him with the poison. His revenge for his wife was bigger than his loyalty ||

|| now that I said that. I realize that Yueh’s wife was a BG and Jessica’s father is Baron. Can you see where I’m going at? ||

[austere burrow]

This is a big spoiler for later chapters, can you label it please?

Also not really. But yes, your synopsis is correct ||but Yueh didn’t just want to betray the Atreides for no reason, the Harkonnen are specifically telling him what to do in a controlling way. So not really sure why you said he’s not being controlled||

[thin oracle]

|| If you put it that way I can arguably agree that he was being controlled but Yueh did all what the Harkonnen said to him out of his free will. He got a choice not to do their biddings. ||

[idle surge]

Your all wrong and I can’t wait for you to read it later and find out

[karmic nymph]

Your all wrong and I
can’t wait for you to read it
later and find out

- jollyminions_1775

[thin oracle]

do you mean us?

[tepid bough]

probably lol

[thin oracle]

I already finished the book and @austere burrow just re-reading it.

so, what @idle surge said doesn’t make sense

[tepid bough]

can i send you a msg

apostle

[thin oracle]

sure, my dm's are open to anyone

[austere burrow]

Agree, ||never meant to imply he didn’t have free-will||

[elder storm]

until chapter 30 (or part 2, chapter 8)
||im getting more and more curious about who princess irulan is. anyways, paul and jessica seem to have been caught by the fremen maybe they’ll join them and form an army to defeat the harkonnen. duncan also died i liked him cause his name reminded me of a character in total drama. kynes too has dropped like a fly, but im suddenly wondering if the book/series will end with arrakis having plenty of water. hawat still thinks jessica betrayed the duke, so he might join the baron against the atreides ||

im gonna speedrun this

it’s taking too long and im forgetting everything

[thin oracle]

It’s just to many and yet not enough characters

[nova hull]

pg 303 is crazy

didnt know the ||baron was freaky like that||

[austere burrow]

Why did you block the page number?

[elder storm]

exactly we need to see what page has the spoiler lol

[nova hull]

oops

didnt realize the page was blocked

[austere burrow]

Can you edit it and remove the spoiler block?

[nova hull]

mb

i was texting this in class

so i was relying on my muscle memory to type it out

[austere burrow]

Ok, no worries

[elder storm]

im like 80% in but my brain goes numb while listening to the audiobook so no thoughts so far

[heady turtle]

Finally cracked open my copy. Ngl I’m kinda glad I watched the movies first just so I wasn’t totally lost

[flint lagoon]

Yep I'm right there with you, having seen the films first definitely helped

[karmic nymph]

Yep I'm right there with
you, having seen the films first
definitely helped

- thelastpage🪴

[kindred sierra]

I'm really loving dune so far! I'm about 25% in and || the whole world is just so expansive and detailed! Have to admit it's a good thing I saw the first Dune movie when it came out because my vague memory of that helped me get a good grip on all the political intrigue and manoeuvering! || This book is definitely a chonker but I can't wait to continue the story!

[thin oracle]

the book really is a big boy

[heady turtle]

I’m about 10% through (here’s to car dealerships 🙃), and when they say ||Mentat||, all I can think of is the drug from the Fallout video games

Also the stuff from in-universe books at the start of every chapter is reminding me of a webcomic my friends and I are rabid for

[kindred sierra]

Omg same!! 😂 😂

[heady turtle]

Like, I’m mentally filling it in as “person who takes the Smarter-er drug”, not ||incredibly analytical person||

[austere burrow]

There is ||drug component to mentats, so you’re not totally off there. It’s just a drug combined with years of mental training||

[elder storm]

four hours left in the audiobook

[heady turtle]

Found this meme ages ago, went looking again because I didn’t knoooow how accurate it is-

[austere burrow]

Stop, you’re making me cry

[flint lagoon]

this shit has me cackling

[brave zenith]

PLS

THAT’S SO FUNNY

what a beautiful day to be grossnasty

[elder storm]

y’all im done, but somehow there’s still 3 more appendixes that frank herbert wrote on dune so

nvm the appendixes are making me lose my mind so i dnf’ed them

[austere burrow]

They’re totally optional, don’t feel obligated

[elder storm]

im done now ig

[austere burrow]

Nice! What did you think?

[elder storm]

that’s the whole point tink, i didn’t think

[austere burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-son-john-mulaney-saturday-night-live-proud-dad-thats-my-boy-gif-25067636

[elder storm]

i’ll write a proper review when i try to make sense of everything

[karmic nymph]

i’ll write a proper
review when i try to make
sense of everything

- chocorb

[austere burrow]

Ok don’t take too long

[elder storm]

with this book, who knows how long making sense will take

[austere burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-aham-yes-gif-26224883

I hope you feel like you got something out of it, even if that something is just surrogate acid trip

[zealous bridge]

if your first read of dune doesn't feel like a surrogate acid trip, have you really read dune

there's 3 books I've gotta read before I get to this, but my reading slump has been officially defeated so it shouldn't take longer than a week for me to get started. I'm so excited to read this again

[shadow salmon]

@austere burrow,@tepid bough,@dense atlas,@steel ore,@nova hull,@noble anchor,@crimson arrow,@zealous bridge,@umbral anvil,@sudden spindle,@flint lagoon,@elder storm,@muted locust,@heady turtle,@drifting karma,@nova hull,@kindred sierra,@keen steppe,@gaunt vigil,@lusty berry,@valid tartan,@covert arrow,@slender tulip,@fast quartz,@ripe holly,@warm cedar,@modern wave,@crisp elk,@delicate quail,@brave zenith,@pure basin,@vague kraken,@bleak wedge,@rough hare,@near mirage,@thin oracle

Hey everyone! Mid-buddy read check in to see who's started and who's planning to start soon. I'll follow this announcement up with my running tally of who has finished, just so I can edit it if I missed anyone. I'll try to add some discussion questions in a few weeks.

Planning to submit the buddy read request for the next book this week, so people who are finished can move on to the next book. Do we want to do another 3 months for Dune Messiah, or is that too long? Let me know what you think. I'll check in with everyone in early June to see if we need extensions for this.

Thanks and happy reading!

[austere burrow]

Reading: weird @ symbol (lol you know who you are), Bkan, Celine, ctrl+altmer-del, Dinks, Divisha, imgunnagetyou (possible DNF), jana (possible DNF), jolly, KninePeaEmm, Tink, Vetrina
Finished: Apostle, choco, jnix, Scarlatte, thelastpage

[umbral anvil]

[kindred sierra]

Whooo next book
I think 3 months would be perfect so there's no big rush 😊

[umbral anvil]

Teehee you missed me

[austere burrow]

When did you start?

[umbral anvil]

I just haven’t said anything in a while

[umbral anvil]

April 7th

[austere burrow]

Ok, thank you!

[umbral anvil]

I also HAVENT read it in a while

Haven’t

[tepid bough]

the possible dnf is so real, but i will try my hardest not to make it a reality

[austere burrow]

No worries, just wanted to record your status in case you do end up picking it back up

[ripe holly]

Im only 15 chapters in

Ill pick up the pace in June 😇

[ripe holly]

Right? Its hard with the audiobook sometimes

[flint lagoon]

oooh, I am on the fence about reading the next book in this series but I will probably give in because fomo is real

[austere burrow]

I love Dune Messiah so much, it’s prob my favorite. Not to give too many spoilers, but DM is when shit hits the fan

[flint lagoon]

we own the first three in the series so I don't even have an excuse haha

[elder storm]

i don’t think this book is my cup of hot choco but im too curious to dnf the series

[heady turtle]

I’m intrigued enough that I’ll finish the main series

[thin oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-why-whaat-umm-gif-12580799062910001939

[thin oracle]

SPOILER FOR DUNE MESSIAH
I didn't enjoyed it || a lot of plot twist, heart break and revelation but I was not attached to it as DUNE was but if DUNE and DUNE MESSIAH is just one book, then it would be a different POV ||

[austere burrow]

Got Dune Part 2 delivered, finally going to watch them both back to back

[sudden spindle]

Finished today! Pasting in the notes that I took since I last updated

Ch 37 (~68%): ||This whole Sayyadina ritual thing is weird af, especially with Jessica somehow being able to neutralize the poison by looking inside herself on a molecular level? Also I didn't know they drank worm piss lmao, disgustang. How tf did they drown a worm that big?||

Ch 43 (~75%): ||Yay, Paul and Gurney reunited! <3||

Ch 44 (~80%): ||The scene with Gurney trying to kill Jessica was tense! He did what he thought was right, and I feel bad for him (and Jessica for being wrongly accused of being a traitor by several people). I'm just glad nobody got hurt lol.||

Ch 47 (~85%): ||Leto Atreides must be a cursed name lol. Alia's storyline has been so weird, but I love her in this chapter! Sassing the Baron and the Emperor, killing the Baron with a sneaky Gom Jabbar. But apparently there's been a second time skip since she's 4 now? I wish that was made more clear.||

Ch 48 (Last chapter): ||Jesus Christ, Paul has gotten nasty. Also I wonder if Gurney's anger over Paul denying him a Harkonnen kill is gonna lead to anything in the next book 👀 I kinda hate that the book ends very abruptly with a closing line that doesn't make sense as a closing line lol.||

Appendices: ||The one about ecology was super interesting! The other two appendices were kinda boring. But I kinda love how Herbert writes about just how badly the Bene Gesserit fucked up by ignoring Paul lol.||

Final thoughts: ||The book was pretty good overall. I love the world and story of Dune so much, but the book is hard to get through at times. The writing style makes it feel pretty dense, and the pacing is off sometimes. I love the characters, and I kinda love all of the POVs and inner thoughts. I like the themes and some of the philosophy. Also the book is super weird, which I kinda love for it.||

I'm excited for the next book

[austere burrow]

Ch 37 ||the movie says that, it’s a substance excreted by a worm when it drowns, sometimes it’s depicted more as vomit than pee. Idk if that helps. It’s a small worm||
Ch 47 ||sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t…||

[sudden spindle]

Ch 37: ||Nah, I was thinking more about how they drowned a worm that big lol.|| Dune Pt 2 Movie Spoilers: ||I watched the movie last night and they drowned a baby, which makes more sense LOL||

[austere burrow]

Yeah ||it’s not a baby, it’s a stunted worm. Kind of like a goldfish in a small bowl, it doesn’t grow as big|| love that movie, watching the end now

[sudden spindle]

Ooooooh ok. It's a great movie!

[tepid bough]

okay i’m back to reading this book

[tepid bough]

i already need a break after reading two pages help

[thin oracle]

why???

[elder storm]

I RELATE

[tepid bough]

it’s so bad choco i actually really want to finish this but on top of being deadly ill i don’t think i can concentrate on space politics

[elder storm]

oof cannot imagine being sick and dealing with this i hope you get better jana
the space politics do a number on you, i agree

[tepid bough]

thank you choco

[elder storm]

i realised i forgot to write my final thoughts
||i didn't particularly enjoy this book. i think i tend to like books with more lovable characters and although this did have some, it wasn't enough to attract my interest.
the sheer effort taken in worldbuilding is astounding though, herbert took the worlds very seriously, each with its own past. the new vocabulary, the language, the fictional species, they were splendid to read about, though confusing. could not have seen that change in the plot from present to future, clever way to skip ahead without the boring details.
i am intrigued enough to read on though, i just didn't feel a connection with the characters. i think the movies will help fill that gap though. ||

[flint lagoon]

daily Dune meme:

[tepid bough]

ch. 25 ||ooh loving paul asserting his dominance/leadership ||

finally back with this book again for good this time

in hindsight i shouldn’t have stopped reading this book because now i’m just super confused and not remembering who is who and what is what

ch. 26 ||wouldn’t be so sure if i were you iakin ||

[tepid bough]

i’m hoping that ||hawat is smart enough to realise the harkonnen lies||, but we will see

[tepid bough]

the baron ||looks down on the fremen so much|| it’s insane

ch. 27 ||this chapter was very cutesy i think, i really love the relationship paul and jessica have||

[tepid bough]

okay i read up to ch.30 and need a break

[austere burrow]

BR request for Dune Messiah #br-requests message

[heady turtle]

I’m 25% through Dune and I’m very glad this BR pushed me into actually starting it, as I’m enjoying it more than I thought I would

I also didn’t realize until like. Yesterday. That this is on my scratch-off novel poster

[austere burrow]

Oh nice! I can see why, it's a classic

[nova hull]

So spice is basically sand cocaine

But with some kinda good consequences?

Good to know

[austere burrow]

Mmmm yes, but only if coke also extended your life instead of shortening it, and could eventually give you the power to see in the future and travel through space in an instant

So no not really

[nova hull]

I'm going to start to dig deep in the Sahara desert now

I will find a solution

And overprice it so I can buy books

Lol

[austere burrow]

Dune was actually inspired by Pacific Northwest of US

[karmic nymph]

Dune was actually
inspired by Pacific
Northwest of US

- Tink the rainy day snek

[austere burrow]

Thank you haikubot

[nova hull]

Huh

Alr

[austere burrow]

Herbert was commissioned to write a piece on seaside desert ecology of Northern California and Oregon iirc. But he never finished it and turned it into a story about a desert planet that he published in a scifi magazine. And then it took off from there

[heady turtle]

fascinating

[nova hull]

i sniffed up some cinnamon

i feel like duke of arrakis

[brave zenith]

[austere burrow]

Oh yeah, exactly this face

[heady turtle]

Started Book Three: The Prophet and tbh ||I'm not a fan of the two-year time skip. It feels like so much happened on Arrakis that gets either an off-hand mention or Paul thinks about it and goes "but wait, has that actually happened yet?"||

[austere burrow]

Huh a bunch of people have said that

[heady turtle]

||I think this is the first time I've ever thought "Y'know, maybe the movie speeding up the timeline and cutting out things (like Leto 2 and unnaturally-coherent-toddler Alia) wasn't a bad idea", but it could also be the inherent bias of watching the movie(s) before reading the book||

[elder storm]

i also agree

[flint lagoon]

I actually totally agreed, ||I did not vibe with the time skip. I felt like it jumped over some important character development and introduced new characters and situations that I just hadn't had time to get invested in, like Alia||

[austere burrow]

See to me ||the movie gave no time for Paul to become integrated in the society. It’s been like 2 months, and the Fremen are like, yes we would die for you. It’s too soon!||

||Fremen are so slow to trust, it never would have gone down that quickly||

[flint lagoon]

yeah I take your point on that for sure, in the film we have to ||really just buy in to this idea that the Fremen see Paul as their holy figure, so accept him faster than they otherwise would have||

[austere burrow]

They could have split the difference ||but I still think a time jump would have helped||

[elder storm]

||i think we skipped a lot of development for the characters just for the sake of moving the plot forward, and i never get to connect with any of them before they either die or start revolving their entire personalities around pAuL ||

[heady turtle]

And you're right for that. I feel like ||a one-year time skip would've been the happy medium. We get to see the trust-building that you're talking about but we don't have to deal with the immediate "oh yeah btw so much happened off-page"||

[flint lagoon]

I think the biggest issue I had with the time jump ||is just the Alia thing, suddenly she's engaging with the world and taking important action and whatnot, and we just don't get a lot of time with her in the book to really come around to her or care||

[austere burrow]

||…not caring about Alia…no no I know what these words mean individually, but used in that order /jk||

[flint lagoon]

and (spoilers for end of book) ||having her kill Baron Harkonnen felt like a weird choice because it was like, we barely know or care about this character and now she gets to have these huge important moments like killing the primary antagonist||

[austere burrow]

I always was a huge stan, so it doesn’t compute

[flint lagoon]

I hope I come to care about her!

[austere burrow]

Very ||Arya of her|| spoilers for Game of Thrones season 8

[flint lagoon]

maybe, but if Arya had only been introduced in Season 8

[heady turtle]

||right now, it just seems like this weird-ass baby is talking like the cat memes where the cat is talking like "Mother I desire to enter the cold box. I am strong, Mother. I will survive."||

[austere burrow]

This is wild to me

[austere burrow]

What? Lmao

[elder storm]

[flint lagoon]

idk what you're talking about ctrl but I believe you

[elder storm]

i agree with all that is being said even though i do not understand

[heady turtle]

I stand by it. ||I know it's because of the ritual that she's Like That but I just can't forget that this is a 2-at-most-year old||

[austere burrow]

Nonono we’re talking about the weird cat shit

[elder storm]

💯

[austere burrow]

Don’t get distracted

[elder storm]

yeah

[heady turtle]

the ones like this (artist credit: Verbal Vomit)

[flint lagoon]

I'm even cool with this ||surreal baby who has all the memories of the previous Reverend Mothers, like as a concept I think she's cool, I think we just didn't get enough time with her in the first book||

[austere burrow]

That’s fair

[flint lagoon]

ngl I have never seen these before but ok, I'm with you

[karmic nymph]

ngl I have
never seen these before but
ok, I'm with you

- thelastpage🪴

[flint lagoon]

Haiku is also along for the ride

[heady turtle]

I agree it's a really cool concept

[austere burrow]

||Alie does sound a bit like the ghost of a pale sickly Victorian child|| I’ll give you that

[flint lagoon]

it's truuuue

[elder storm]

||i imagined her as a demon baby with red eyes with no whites at all ||

[austere burrow]

Nooooo

[elder storm]

so obviously we had different interpretations of this character

[austere burrow]

Please tell me where in the book it said they had ||red eyes||

[elder storm]

i thought it would fit the character

[austere burrow]

Fair enough, but you’re still wrong

[sudden spindle]

Whole book spoilers: ||I stan Alia after the chapter where she kills the Baron She's such a sassy child||

[heady turtle]

Okay I just finished Dune. I had a good time with it. ||This was the first time I was actually able to clock an author using a character (Duke Leto) to haunt the narrative. Also, Baron Harkonnen getting stabbed-poisoned by a four year old. If I was a ghost and that was how I died, I would never tell anyone||

[zealous bridge]

starting this today!! im sooo excited to get back into this book

[umbral anvil]

I HAVENT UPDATED IN FOREVER

I FINISHED PART ONE

||The misogyny towards Jessica is CRAAAAZZZYYYYY “Jessica is the traitor!” How are you so stupid to believe that???? Hawat is supposed to be Mentat and he literally like schemes against her||

Isn’t as confusing first time I read it, but I’m glad from now on, everything is gonna be more exciting

A little bit into part two and (movie spoilers!!!) ||im so glad we get to see what happened to Hawat. In the movies it’s liek we forgot he existed past the first hour||

[tepid bough]

i don't think i will finish this book, sorry

i give up

[nova hull]

The audiobook from Audible feels very epic. I'm vibing.

[flint lagoon]

that's cool! is it full cast?

[austere burrow]

It’s really good but no I don’t think it’s a full cast iirc

[karmic nymph]

It’s really good but
no I don’t think it’s a full
cast iirc

- Tink the rainy day snek

[austere burrow]

Thank you haikubot

[nova hull]

what's a full cast

[flint lagoon]

that's fair, even a good narrator can really make an audiobook

[karmic nymph]

that's fair, even a
good narrator can really
make an audiobook

- thelastpage🪴

[flint lagoon]

um, like when different actors play the different characters

[elder storm]

like a movie but it’s for the audiobook

[nova hull]

I think the one I'm listening to has a full cast

[flint lagoon]

oh really! that's neat, I love that

[austere burrow]

Ohhh i remember i think it’s partially full cast, but most of it is a single narrator

They pick some scenes to do full cast

Does that match what you’re listening to seapotato?

[nova hull]

I just started so I'm not sure

[flint lagoon]

I would love to hear the strategic meeting from near the beginning of the book with a full cast

[elder storm]

i wanted to see if i was the only one not fond of this book and searched up “dune sucks” on google and found a reddit thread so far im vibing with it lol

[nova hull]

I got this version

[austere burrow]

Yeah that’s the same one I have

[nova hull]

oh wow that's weird

maybe they do things differently in later parts.

[austere burrow]

How far are you?

[nova hull]

20 minutes in

[austere burrow]

Huh no I was wrong. Maybe I’m remembering another audiobook i listened to before. Does this one have music sometimes?

[nova hull]

yes

[austere burrow]

Of course I loaded up my audiobook and I apparently stopped at ch 11, so clearly I didn’t make it far lol

[nova hull]

Book 1
||I love the dialogues in this book.
St. Alia of the Knife is such a cool title omg. That's me in the book (we have the same name lmao). ||

[umbral anvil]

||Your name is Alia??? Or am I not comprehending lol||

[nova hull]

It is I had to get an English name but I swear I didn't name myself after her

[hearty quail]

just started this today

[nova hull]

Book 1
||I didn't think they'll zoom in the hunter seeker thing, but it makes sense (an assassination after all). Is it going to be a major event in the book iirc the Duke is going to die and be overshadowed by Paul's greatness. ||

[nova hull]

the audiobook is making me feel like I'm watching a 22-hour movie but the screen's broken only sound

[austere burrow]

I’m glad you like it, now I’m tempted to pick it back up again

[nova hull]

Book 1
||I enjoy the writing of the book tremendously, but the plot doesn't interest me much. I like how Dune is a new environment that the characters need to explore rather than their homeland. It's really entertaining, and I look forward to knowing more about the religion of Dune. ||

[nova hull]

Book 1
||The Baron tho I'm a bit bored after the Duke died ||

I'm confused where in the book I am (about 10 hours into the audiobook). Do your versions have chapters or only books? I looked it up online and the one Google has for preview comprises 3 books.

[austere burrow]

Chapters but they’re not numbered. It’s a struggle

Does your audiobook tell you percentage?

[nova hull]

I think it does. I'll look it up later.

[nova hull]

Book 3
||okay what's with that hip poison attack I shouldn't be laughing at it but lmao? ||

[austere burrow]

It sounds like a ||Pokemon attack when you say it out of context like that ||

[nova hull]

Finished!
||I'm not really feeling the ending. It's a rare book to me, since I really like the writing style but not the plot line. I'm not much of a political person, so maybe that's to blame. I don't think I'll continue with the series, although I'm glad I read Dune. It's very different from what I've expected. The story feels very... dry? I was not invested in the Fremen Paul cult forming phrase as much as I thought I would and was hoping for the audiobook to carry on and end. Maybe it's just a me-and-most-sci-fi-books-can-never-get-along thing. I'll add more if I think of something later.
ps. St. Alia the Knife is precious. ||

[austere burrow]

Resuming Dune, trying the audiobook cause I have busywork to do today

[austere burrow]

Part I ch 11 ||Scrub your ass with sands! My lungs taste the air of time||

[austere burrow]

Part 1 ch 16 ||Here I am, here I remain||

[austere burrow]

Part 1 ch 17 ||Always liked this scene between Duncan and Jessica||

[austere burrow]

End of Book 1 ||Always forget how quickly shit escalates after the dinner party. That final argument between Paul and Jessica is so cool and prob my favorite part of the movie. They really did a good job. I feel like the scenes between Jessica and Duncan and Hawat from earlier in the book are so important in establishing Jessica’s skill level, so you can kind of get the extent to which Paul is surpassing her here. It’s not that she’s not smart, she was just trained for dinner parties and household management, as well as espionage and strategy. But Paul’s been learning battle strategy from Leto and also something emotionally is kind of breaking in him lol. He’s on the sauce now|| idk if I’ve just read this so many times but I don’t even know how this book is weird anymore lol

“My father, the Padishah Emperor” always makes me think of the “I don’t think my father, the inventor of toaster strudel” meme

[umbral anvil]

coming back for like two days then leaving again lol

just bringing all my br's back

[austere burrow]

Smeaaaaggggyyyyy

[umbral anvil]

okay

so

[umbral anvil]

OH WE'RE AT THE SAME SPOT-ISH

YAY

[austere burrow]

Part 2 ch 22 ||I really love that chapter with Thufir and the Fremen. I feel like you don’t get enough time where you see them outside of Paul’s orbit||

[austere burrow]

Part 2 ch 23 ||Paul is such a Boy Scout. Nerd||

[zealous bridge]

ive not talked much about how im feeling about this but its just because im enjoying it a lot nd have read this before so my brains just enjoying the ride im about half way through book 3 nd genuinely id forgotten ||how fuckin creepy the baron is. his weird obsession with Paul nd his weird thing with getting in really young male sex slaves|| like im p sure i responded to someone a while back about it too but i have the memory of a goldfish HAHAHA

im almost finished i think im either gonna finish it before i sleep or when i wake up tomorrow. as expected im loving it

[zealous bridge]

i love this sm, he really is ||i love bullying paul, i think hes so badass but also a total nerdy loser who would be bullied if he wasnt the duke||

also i need to say, the stuff ||at the start of each chapter are so hit or miss for me because they literally just tell you whats gonna happen in that chapter half the time but theyre also really cool because it makes me feel like im reading a history book ||

[elder storm]

||honestly i would bully paul myself ngl ||

[zealous bridge]

HAHAHA SAMEEE

[heady turtle]

There's a webcomic I read that does the same thing and it was defo a point in Dune's favor for me

[zealous bridge]

i genuinely dont know if i like it or hate it tbh its so weird like its cool but also ||stop spoiling whats about to happen for me frank|| LMAO

[austere burrow]

This is one thing the movie kind of leaned into and I approve. ||let Chani bully paul!||

[zealous bridge]

it's defo my fave part of book 2 nd 3, just ||chani ruthlessly bullying her man. me too girl, me too ||

[austere burrow]

Oh she did it in the book too? I don’t remember that, looking forward to it

[elder storm]

||chani spoke in this book? /hj ||

[zealous bridge]

HAHAHAH

real af ||she doesn't a shit tonne but she does a bit, it's funny when she does||

when she's ||not bullying him she's just starring at him weirdly||

the fact ||zendaya plays her in the movie is crazy to me, I always imagine Chani as just kinda weird nd unnerving looking, like she just stares at Paul sometimes in the book nd it's so funny so her being attractive nd mysterious in the movie is insane||

that's unrelated though I'm about to sleep nd am watching YouTube, nd an ||ad with zendaya in|| came on I just had to get on my soap box

[elder storm]

||everyone stares at paul with a weird and unnerving gaze i imagined chani to be looking younger somehow in the books than zendaya ||

[zealous bridge]

let's be honest it's the same with ||paul|| though, that's one thing with the movie that annoyed me its like ||the thing with like 30 year olds playing high schoolers LIKE PAUL IS MEANT TO BE 15||

[elder storm]

||timothée chalamet is too good looking to be playing a 15 yo nerd ||

[zealous bridge]

FOR REAL TOO IM SO GLAD YOU AGREE ||LIKE PAUL IS DESCRIBED ALSO AS HAVING A ROUND FACE BY THE FRIEMEN TIMOTHÉE CHALAMET LOOKS LIKE HES ALSO BEEN LIVING ON ARAKIS IN THE DESERT, HES LOOKS LIKE A DYING VICTORIAN CHILD||

[elder storm]

[zealous bridge]

I'm too passionate about the casting of the Dune movie I need to go touch grass

[elder storm]

VICTORIAN PAPERBOY

[zealous bridge]

HE LITERALLY IS HE LOOKS LIKE HE HAS CHOLERA

[elder storm]

who needs grass when you’ve got ||paul’s face to ponder upon ||

[elder storm]

I MEAN-

[zealous bridge]

I never got the timothée chalomet hype, he genuinely looks like the guy from corpse bride

[zealous bridge]

so 👏fucking 👏 true 👏

[elder storm]

||I MISSED THE ROUND FACE BUT TIMOTHÉE IF HE HAS A ROUND FACE THAN WHAT ABOUT ME ||

[zealous bridge]

if ||timothée has a round face then TLC should call me for my 600lbs life LMFAOOOO||

[elder storm]

[zealous bridge]

I'm passionate about movie adaptations of my fave books nd just get angry if they're not literally perfect, I'm forever a hater

[elder storm]

being a hater is underrated

[zealous bridge]

it's why I didn't go to see Dune in theatres when it came out because I knew I'd just annoy everyone around me

[elder storm]

why accept it when you can hate it

[zealous bridge]

FR ITS SO FUN what is life if I'm not pissed off about the smallest most insignificant thing like ||Timothée Chalomets face shape||

[elder storm]

||i mean they definitely got paul to man up in the movies so i get you even though i do not care about the book whatsoever it’s fun to see people rant ||

[elder storm]

||if i got a haircut i could play paul timothée who ||

[zealous bridge]

LMAOOOOO

[austere burrow]

Guys movie casting isn’t just about looks Jesus. Calm down

[zealous bridge]

I'm not actually that bothered, I know, I'm sorry if it got too much. I was just kidding

[austere burrow]

It’s ok, I can tell it means a lot to you

[zealous bridge]

chapter 47 (second to last chapter): ||YEAHHH ALIA i love this kid HAHAHA shes one of my fave characters by far, shes so cute but also badass, get the barons ass kid!!!||

on the final chapter, i cant believe ive almost finished the already again

chap 48: ||the baron being dead is so satisfying, the fact he dies at the hands of a child is poetic considering how creepy hes been about paul nd other young boys||

i was gonna finish this while playing monster hunter but now im hooked nd just cant focus on the game lol

chap 48: ||little leto dying too never gets any easier, thats sad af. 2 letos dying in one book is tough||

[zealous bridge]

AND IM DONEEEE

i love the ending sm

i love this book in general sm, i love herberts writing, his weird characters, everything

5 stars 10/10

[austere burrow]

I loved reading all your comments, giving me motivation to keep reading through my slump

[austere burrow]

Part 2 ch 30 ||had to skip this on audiobook cause the stereo voice of Kynes’s dad was giving me a headache||

[austere burrow]

I like this audiobook but “chay-nee” is killing me

[austere burrow]

Part 2 ch 32 ||I feel like this name scene is often misinterpreted. Like never is “Fremen name” mentioned. They just give him a name to call him by cause he won’t be the same person. He’s accepted into the tribe but he’s not Fremen. Like it’s acceptance not assimilation if that makes sense||

[flint lagoon]

that makes total sense and I think that's a really interesting distinction

do you think Paul ever really becomes one of the Fremen or is he always on the outside in some way?

[austere burrow]

I honestly think ||still outside. Like he’s obviously a venerated leader, but I don’t think they could ever forget that he’s different. And his difference is a strength. One of the things Fremen can lack is a unifying force. They have Liet but that’s more the ecology. List was never going to lead them to overthrowing the Harkonnen, that’s not his sphere. And it makes sense because having a central leader makes you vulnerable, what if something happens to them? Better to have factions that work independently. Anyway that’s my random thoughts||

Part 2 ch 34 ||movie Paul: I can’t go south, I’ll start the holy war
Book Paul, 5 mins after being accepted by the Fremen: oops, nothing I can do about that now ||

[flint lagoon]

that's interesting, ||why do you think Paul is different from Kynes? both are outsiders and leaders, but I think Kynes was actually one of the Fremen in the end, whereas I agree that I don't think Paul ever fully is||

[austere burrow]

||Kynes isn’t actually an outsider, he was born a Fremen. His father was a planetologist who stayed in Dune for a long time and married a Fremen and Liet Kynes took over when he died|| idk if they ever explicitly say that in the book but I read it in one of the prequels

[flint lagoon]

oooh ok I don't think that's in Dune, no

[austere burrow]

They do say that ||Liet is Stilgar’s brother but idk if they meant that literally||

[flint lagoon]

that's useful background!

I mean, we learn a bit about ||his relationship with his father in the chapter where he dies, but I don't think we get much background there, we just get context about how spice is produced and what Kynes imagines for the planet and the Fremen||

ok ok, so yeah quite different then

[austere burrow]

Let me look it up since I can’t be spoiled

[flint lagoon]

I think I assumed ||Kynes was an outsider because he is employed by the emperor, and people sort of talk about him like he's "gone local"||

[austere burrow]

Ok wiki does say they’re brothers

[flint lagoon]

oh! goood to know

[austere burrow]

Yeah that’s a good point

[flint lagoon]

I definitely missed that

[austere burrow]

It was in one of his early chapters, maybe the one with Jessica?

32 or 34 I think

[flint lagoon]

oh maybe, tbf there's a lot going on in that book and I felt like I did not bad for my first time through but there was definitely stuff I missed

glad I asked the pro

[austere burrow]

[elder storm]

heck i think i basically missed everything everyone’s doing so well in this br

[austere burrow]

Part 1 ch 35 ||I knew it wasn’t the Baron who setup the untrusted gladiator! I don’t mind the change but I’m mad I doubted my memory||

[austere burrow]

I keep rereading cause I always notice something new

Ohhh it was ||Thufir who kind of set him up with the Atreides gladiator||

[austere burrow]

Part 2 ch 36 ||Omg I love Harah, she is the sass mother||

[thorn root]

Haven't started this, I'll finish it by the 30th, I believe in myself

[zealous bridge]

||book paul really said "oopsie daisies might as well prepare the nukes" ||

[austere burrow]

Exactly!!!! Exactly

[heady turtle]

I think it’s mentioned but in a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it way

[umbral anvil]

bleh

i am back

[austere burrow]

Heeeeeyyyyyy

[austere burrow]

Part 2 ch 37 ||Dang they really did just throw Jessica in to Reverend Motherhood. Like dang she’s been there one day and they’re like, want to become our holy leader? Also this is why you should never skip the health questionnaire at the doctor’s office. ||

Yeahhhh ||drug orgy||

[thorn root]

To quote AI John Lennon, it was the 60s

[austere burrow]

I thought that said AL John Lennon and I was like “I didn’t know his name was Al”

[austere burrow]

Part 3 beginning ||just a realization I never thought of before but if Margot did get pregnant with Feyd Rautha’s baby, it would have been born by now. Wonder if that’s ever mentioned again? I literally don’t remember it||

[austere burrow]

That said they did just say in Part 3 ch 44 ||”any Fremen may speak at council and Muaddib is a Fremen”. But like is he ever an ordinary Fremen? Yes and no||

Comparison to movie ||interesting that they changed it so that only naibs could address the leadership council. That was a big break I forgot about. Interesting too that they broke the roles for Paul but not for Chani in the movie||

[gaunt vigil]

I read the first two pages and it already feels like it's too much

[karmic nymph]

I read the first two
pages and it already
feels like it's too much

- Coffee ☕

[elder storm]

i had to read the first chapter all over again because it got too confusing

[austere burrow]

Ch 44 ||”what can [chani] do for my son besides pour him coffee?” Bitch I will smack the shit out of you. Also this scene with Jessica, Paul, and Gurney is so tense||

[zealous bridge]

||honestly jessica really annoys me when theyre with the freman, like dude, do you realise you were just considered a concubine for years because Leto couldn't marry you for political reasons??? iirc she understood but was still upset about it... like why wouldnt you encourage your son to go against that nd marry the woman he loves|| i also love that scene lol its sooo well written. ||you can really feel the intensity and how angry gurney is and ready to kill jessica||

[austere burrow]

Ch 47 ||”I’ve seen a friend become a worshipper”. I really wish the movie had let that friendship blossom before the whole lisan al’gaib obssession. But I get it’s a movie and you don’t have time||

||Ugh that last interaction with Thufir I really wish they could have included that in the movie||

Finished and I’m really excited to read Dune Messiah now. No other thoughts at this time tho

[zealous bridge]

same, its all i can do to not immediately get messiah and read it now tbh ill probably read it soon purely to get the fix lolol

[flint lagoon]

messiah is my next read! I'm looking forward to it more than I expected

[umbral anvil]

50 percent in

Or a little more

will finish soon

[thorn root]

Starting this now

[dense atlas]

I'm starting this now
Does anyone know why in this book of made up words Frank decided to name the MC Paul

[flint lagoon]

maybe so he was easier to remember and keep track of? like the worldbuilding is a lot, so maybe he wanted to make sure we at least felt like we knew who the main character was?

(pure speculation)

[elder storm]

well paul’s mother is named jessica so maybe the family believes in minimalism

[flint lagoon]

Herbert's just trying to throw us a bone here

[austere burrow]

But like Paul’s an old name. It’s in the Bible lol

[brave zenith]

Yeah I thought with all the religious themes Paul fits well

[elder storm]

oh i didn’t know it was in the bible

[brave zenith]

And I got the feeling this is supposed to be humanity’s future so they have vestiges of our culture, like the OC Bible and names we recognize

[austere burrow]

Yeah exactly!

[thorn root]

Paul did most of those short books of the bible near the end