💬│palia-discussions

[boreal hill]

ahh okay ty!

[pallid ferry]

B/c its not 3am and I havent been drinking. That's the only excuse to be at Dennys.

[fallow saffron]

[rustic vessel]

yeah i mean when i last came in i saw the chat going crazy so i wanted it to calm down a bit but was fomo kept remembering i needed to check on it in my head, and when i came back here was like omg i need to ask cus i clearly kept forgetting when i logged on in game.

[brisk spruce]

honestly fair

[fallow saffron]

It’s 9:17am here

I am.. ready to go back to sleep

[dry swift]

East coasters unite!

Also, has anyone else noticed there's a Kenli idiot sandwich emote?

[fallow saffron]

Look at him go

[red comet]

When He|| freezes over probably

[fallow saffron]

I thought I imagined that or something but it’s real

[dry swift]

Elderwoods will probably release sometime this summer. Probably July, August at the latest.

I guess it all really depends on how many people buy the cloud pet before then.

[fallow saffron]

They made the “official” Elderwoods announcement August 2024 I think….? I hope it would come out before August 2025

[dry swift]

If only S6 had some kind of map... you know like that kind you use when you drive on a road when you're working towards getting somewhere?
Something like a road map.

Not much really, someone just asked about when Elderwoods was coming out so we just mentioned probably this summer. I think we're all still waking up for the most part.

[fallow saffron]

We are providing.. constructive criticism

[lyric night]

they optimally want to release elderwood and consoles ports before summer, and that seems to be exactly their plan currently

[fallow saffron]

So potentially PS5 and Xbox by this summer?

Not the “cap” reaction

[lyric night]

first half of this year was the plan shared in EG7's financial report

[dry swift]

Hard to know since they don't really communicate.
(Also, this isn't being negative it's just a fact)

[lyric night]

elderwood would be their only option to do a meaningful transition into 1.0 and EG7 mentioned plans to release out of open beta for this year in one of their financial reports last year
only time will tell I guess

[pallid ferry]

I worry about the size of Elderwoods. Their track record for releasing updates without breaking 100 other things hasn't been great. They'll need to do a LOT of private testing, especially if they use EW as a time to drop any new systems or creatures.

[fallow saffron]

I have not been part of a beta game before. It is standard for games to go from 0.189 to 1.0? Like, Palia isn’t even 0.5 but I also don’t know if that happens with betas or not /gen

[lyric night]

elderwood broke a lot of stuff already

[lyric night]

they can go into 1.0 whenever
but we will get .190 first on the 18th with another filler

[dry swift]

I feel like Beta is more of a buzzword in the industry more than anything nowadays for "We need more time and money to give you a finished product, but we also have to provide what we have right now to make the customers happy for the time being.", so it can really be inserted into any incomplete game and there are really no solid rules around having a beta.

[fallow saffron]

[dry swift]

I know before Satisfactory 1.0 came out, the game was honestly so well-polished aside from a couple lore-related things that they could have easily released it as a full game and had come out with the lore stuff later.

[pallid ferry]

looks at Wildcard and Ark's years of "beta"

[rare pine]

I mean... they said they're "aiming for a Q2 release," which is a bit nebulous imo.

[fiery perch]

as much as i love ark, i have slowly slowly grown annoyed as all heck at Wildcard. :/

[fallow saffron]

..how many years of beta

[fiery perch]

yes, ark survival evolved (which is no longer beta/early access) and ark survival ascended (which is still early access, and is essentially a ''remake'' of survival evolved) are paid for.

[dry swift]

Yeah. I know Satisfactory had like... a $30 asking price or something.
I imagine it's kind of hard to get out of beta as a "free" game unless you're good at retaining your playerbase and keeping them interested in spending money in the cash shop.

[pallid ferry]

I refused to buy Ascended. Just the same game, but they made existing free mods "official."

[fiery perch]

I didn't mind getting Ascended at first. But I've gotten incredibly disappointed after they started releasing DLC that is pay to win, and locking creatures behind it all, without even thinking of any of them on previous maps. It got incredibly upsetting to me.

[brisk spruce]

software versioning is funny, but if they were following a 0.1 -> 0.2 -> ... -> 0.9 -> 1.0 type of structure they should have upped to 0.8xx or 0.9xx when they released the conclusion of the prologue (while we wait for 1.0). they're definitely not following that type of numbering structure

[fiery perch]

Not to mention, based off reviews, they were incredibly buggy and a mess.

[dry swift]

I never really liked that you also needed like 200gb of storage to even play Ark 😭
Bro really wanted to be the only game on my PC.

[pallid ferry]

I stopped even watching content after they added that pay-to-win lava-lion thing that can transform into a shoulder pet.

Releasing each map as paid DLC, fine. but individual creatures? Nah.

[fallow saffron]

The update numbers throw me off because 0.189 doesn’t look even close to being 1.0 but they are going for it

[dry swift]

Speaking of creature capture games, I wonder how Palworld has been doing.

[fiery perch]

Last thing i'll say, since it's getting a bit too off-topic, but wanted to reply one more time:: Not long after they released the "Tall Tales" one that added quite a few 'pay to win' creatures... i started to get upsetting. and then seeing the individual creatures like you were daying. I just. ugh. just.. really disappoints me. Used to be my fav game, too. (dinos hyperfixation goes brrr)

[lethal granite]

go feed ur pals 😭

[pallid ferry]

Tall Tales they basically stole a lot of content from a RPG server creator. It created a LOT of tension in the Ark RPG community. RIP Gunsmoke.

[dry swift]

Poor modders get no respect.

[fallow saffron]

My brain: zoo pals song starts playing

[brisk spruce]

we started at 0.165 for open beta! so there's been like 24? updates since then if it helps it make any sense. we had 4 temples & the end of the prologue, might be forgetting something important (very tired) but they could have upped the first number with each of those more significant story updates if they wanted to. they just chose to stick with going up small numbers instead

[fiery perch]

Wanting to mention, ty as always for your info on software versioning and anything related to coding and stuff like that alwys appreciated

[brisk spruce]

only important part of software versioning is "number go up" beyond that it's up to each dev how they feel like doing it as long as they keep it consistent with their own numbers

[lethal granite]

when u clean ur plate…

[fallow saffron]

Zoo pals make eating f u n

Wait did I say that right actually

[dry swift]

Thanks, now I have to buy some of these for my kid.

[fallow saffron]

It’s been so long since I heard the song so idk what my brain is doing

[fallow saffron]

Okay I was right >:D

[brisk spruce]

I filled my helpful quota for the day so I'm going to nap now hf everyone

[dry swift]

Enjoy your nap!

[tacit bough]

I have something on my mind tbh

[dry swift]

What is it you would like to tell us today?

[pallid ferry]

Please just share your thoughts. Consistently coming in here to "tease" that you have something to say does nothing to contribute. Especially when other conversations have already ended and you can easily begin a new conversation. You don't need to wait for permission.

[tacit bough]

This his dreamlight valley do there updates could we do something similar?

[pallid ferry]

Yes. Patch notes are released every update. It's in #📢│palia-news

[tacit bough]

It had hotfixes in it too

[pallid ferry]

If you're looking for a discord-specific list, S6 likely wouldn't want to implement it without having a proper CM, which is a position that still needs to be filled.

[dry swift]

Oh boy, do we get to talk about the CM situation already? This early in the morning?

[vagrant lotus]

Haven't we already talked about that like 400 times? That's illegal /j 😂

[pallid ferry]

Oh you mean have S6 actually tell us what they're doing during hotfixes and maintenance updates? But then they'd have to acutally admit how much is broken...

[tacit bough]

No it was more less an ideas to set things up

[tacit bough]

And Yea pretty much

[fiery perch]

I dont think they teased what was in patch notes even when they had a CM, to be fair. They usually waited til the day of. Which was always confusing to me personally.

[tacit bough]

Dreamlight normally telk us a week ahead

[fiery perch]

But yes, I agree, it would be nice if they mentioned a few days earlier (at least) about what is upcoming in a patch. Could even be like, "We're hoping to do this" so it can have some wiggle-room in case something is broken or didn't make it. (And then in the notes or something, mention they were working hard on a specific mechanic or something, but that something ended up breaking and it has to wait.)

And also patch notes listening everything that got fixed or known issues i'd like that a lot, too.

[tacit bough]

That's what dreamlight had listed in there too

[dry swift]

Players speculate and provide feedback to [S6] >
[S6] Doesn't acknowledge it for months and issues in the game remain >
Players speculate and provide feedback to [S6] >
[S6] Doesn't acknowledge it for months and issues in the game remain >
Players get frustrated at [S6] for lack of communication >
[S6] Says they'll be better at communicating/get a CM/implement changes but only a couple minor things change like making #📢│sales-news and most major issues remain.

Rinse and Repeat.

[vagrant lotus]

patch notes listing new furniture additions would also be pretty cool

[fiery perch]

Yep. So just know you're not alone with hoping and thinking that would be a better thing to do! Or even wanting that.

[vagrant lotus]

Now add [S6] gets mad at player feedback they asked for and now everyone (maybe just me) is afraid to speak opinions 🤷🏼‍♀️

[pallid ferry]

Yeah having a discord list of the updates in addition to their official patch notes feels like work that they won't want to bother with. They don't even give us all the information in the patch notes they give us. And yeah, waiting until just before the patch releases feels iffy. Why NOT hype up a patch, especially when, according to devs, they can't make any last minute changes anyway

[tacit bough]

Maybe some the s6 visit the sever to see how they do things

[pallid ferry]

The devs do come into and monitor the discord when they have time.

[fiery perch]

I'm at least, admittedly, being a little more careful with my wording and making sure I type things properly and my tone come across (hopefully) decently... I haven't had issues before, but it has at least made me a little bit more aware, i guess?

[pallid ferry]

But they 100% would not take kindly to being told they need to do things like another company. They're still "smol"

[dry swift]

S6 asks why players are so frustrated, players say why they're frustrated, S6 deflects from actually answering to why x/y/z issue has not/cannot be fixed. Refuses to elaborate. 1 or 2 players get really upset and ruin it for the majority of us in here who are actually trying to get our feedback across. Stuff like that makes it really convenient for them to censor this channel and avoid accountability. Not saying that's WHY they do it, but it makes for a really bad situation.

[fiery perch]

I think that's the best way for me to word it anyways? more 'aware' and re-reading what i type a few times over, to make sure it all comes across properly. Because, and I'd hope people realize this, it does come from a place of wanting the game to do and be better. I love the community, and used to love the game (and in some ways still do, just can't properly play it rn), so i do have the passion there still.

[fiery perch]

Oh! Yeah. Having it all listed on a discord would be a lot, but at least having it on a post and linking to said post (like they do already) would be alright imo.

[vagrant lotus]

I just don't want to be policed beyond keeping it clean and civil. I feel like I've done that, but I also feel like people who have also done that have been... well. Also Ive spent some time researching lately and I'm actually kinda mad about it but I know if I talk about it here, I'll join the ranks of people I see talking about it in other places that tried to talk here. I'd rather be able to get information about the game leading up to EW since this is the only place really

[dry swift]

I feel like if we're not allowed to keep stating what frustrates us about the state of Palia because it has "been to repetitive", yet little or nothing is being done about these issues that are being repeated; it really tells us all we need to know.

If me or someone else gets banned from here because we want S6 to do better by its players, than they can keep whoever's left and enjoy getting no negative feedback whatsoever and allowing their game to stagnate because nobody will want to help them grow.

[fiery perch]

This is the one that has confused me a bit & stuff. The repeating one. I know WC and stuff explained it meant "spamming", but i guess in this context, i dont know what constitutes as that. It's def fair & I can understand where it's coming from with not wanting to do that, but sometimes, the frustrations do pop up multiple times-- and I mean this as in, could be from somebody different.

So i get a little confused, and end up trying to step back from responding too much, in case it becomes spammy or excessive venting. That's def moreso what i mean by being more 'aware' for myself.

edit: fixing a word/typo.

[vagrant lotus]

If the problem was certain individuals spamming unrelated memes and stickers during important conversations, that's what would have been said.

[marsh depot]

Tbh,like I had mentioned to you before Ori, it does feel harder to read that in this channel. The policing sucks but there is also a handful of that throwing the stone and hiding the hand that's been going on and I do not vibe with that either. It is a shame it's come to this, but alas this is what happens in online spaces because people can shield themselves behind a keyboard

[vagrant lotus]

What was said was basically that they don't want to see the channels flooded with the same "feedback/criticism."

It feels like the phrasing with the following clarifying messages, what I gleaned was basically if you've complained about it once, don't even talk about it again even if other people bring it up. If your name is in the same conversation topics a lot, that's a problem apparently.

[fiery perch]

And I understand this too. Because, admittedly, some comments have made me feel a little uncomfortable. I know it comes from a place of frustration though, so I do know where it comes from. And I think kresjah in the past explained that pretty well.

And like i said before, it sucks overall that it has gotten to that point for folks, etc. And in that regard, fully understood what they meant at least!

[fiery perch]

Just wanting to add-on to this: WC at least tried to clarify what the spamming was, here: #💬│palia-discussions message

Which is kinda why im still a little confused on it, personally. Just trying to not say things too often & dropping convo when i feel like i might of repeated myself on accident.

[dry swift]

I see it as I go to a restaurant, and I ask for a burger done medium-well.
I get the burger and it's cold so I have it sent back to the kitchen.
They get me another burger and it's still cold so I ask to talk to the manager so they can make it right and if they can't I just don't pay and don't go back to that establishment.

That's how basic customer service should work.

If S6 breaks something that prevents other people from enjoying the game, we should have every right to keep sending whatever's broken back to them until they fix it. It's not like the devs from S6 HAVE to come in here and read what we have to tell them. That's what a CM should be for.

Since when is it okay as a business to tell your customers to not complain when you keep giving them broken/unfinished products?

[vagrant lotus]

Yeah 1000% some things didn't need to be said but idk if they were "completely remove from the only avenue of information" worthy...

[dry swift]

I swear that the gaming industry is an outlier in that it's the only industry where it's a norm to mistreat your customers and get away with, not because they like you as a person, but because they believe in the product you're making for them. It's tragic, really.

[lethal granite]

:/ it feels lousy to me that they’d try to stifle “repeated points” in here when that’s the only way we got them to address the snowball issue.

[fiery perch]

It really is. Like i know it probably seemed spammy when I did my copy pasta (before they added it to the bot), but i also didnt care bc it felt very important to me. It's also why I tried to push so much for hopefully appy or WC to see the tree flash issue (again, thank you to those who helped me get that seen! Because i did get worried i got too spammy and i didnt want to annoy appy/wc in case they did see what i said.)

[dry swift]

I really haven't liked the direction that management has been going in this game for a while and they only seem to be doubling-down on it over there which is very concerning for the future of the game and the health of the community.

[vagrant lotus]

yeah because we've seen what acknowledgement from S6 means, WC said he saw a bunch of messages about the cake, but there was still a massive miscommunication about it.

Would that have been considered spam? how Many people would have been lost during that if we didn't get that clarification before this new "enforcing" of the rules

[dry swift]

I probably can't mentioned specific devs because I'd get in trouble, but I noticed that when one of the devs in here asks about issues, things actually get fixed.
When the other dev comes in here, we just get told that it's already being worked on or that there's nothing they can do about it at that moment.

[vagrant lotus]

or my favorite "working as intended"

[dry swift]

Also, I find it funny how we're not allowed to talk about the same issues over and over again despite the fact that the majority of us to do in a civil and constructive manner.
Yet, we get at least 1-2 people in here a week that show up JUST to cause issues.

Yes, I might harp on about certain issues a bit much. But I don't spill over into other threads to start trouble.

[fiery perch]

I can understand it to an extent. Anner did mention beforehand that they've had people come to them about how they felt like they couldn't join in on conversations, etc. Which isn't great.

It's also why I've tried very hard to mention to people (if they do come into chat) that they can say things! I love talking and conversing, even if that does become a debate. I love seeing multiple sides/perspectives a lot. Plus, we always enjoy theorycrafting and thinking/talking about other concepts that the game could potentially get

[marsh depot]

I understand people are frustrated, so am I. But I really don't think frustration justifies the vitriolic comments some people were making and seemingly basking in it. I don't agree with the new "rules" either because it's ultimately a punishment for everyone, but that's what happens when some people poke the bear too much and ruin things for the rest, which is what I'm most frustrated at.

At this point I'd rather just stick my head in ranked League games because it's very hard now to tell who's aciting in goo faith and who isn't. It just isn't fun anymore.

[dry swift]

I think having a different perspective is fine.
However, I noticed that the majority of the time we will get someone who uses condescending or inflammitory language targeted towards myself or other regulars in this channel with the intent of getting them or someone else fired up.

If they were just coming in here to discuss issues with a different viewpoint that would be fine. But I don't believe that's the intention with a couple of the people we get in here.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, and I think that's the kind of thing they meant. When it starts to get too targeted towards the other person.

[vagrant lotus]

I've accidentally gotten too spicy in gen chat on accident with people who basically just come to start trouble lmao so yeah

I want everyone to be comfortable talking here, and anywhere else. I can only imagine that people uncomfortable coming in to talk are people who have come in with some entitled opinion and people tried to educate them nicely, and that person decided the whole chat was attacking them for some reason. Ive seen it at least 5 times personally, I can't imagine how often it happens

If anyone is genuinely uncomfortable with talking, that's a problem but tbh the usual people that make me and everyone else uncomfortable and unable to speak their opinions is the people who keep yelling about how its a free game and we should be grateful

[fiery perch]

I agree! Like I said before, some comments def made me feel uncomfy personally. I think trying to hold people accountable is one thing, but trying to make it almost more like... inflammatory? i guess is the way to put it, like Herp said above? is different. Just feels like different vibes to me.

Idk how else to word things atm, admittedly, but hopefully you also can understand/see what i mean and am coming from

[dry swift]

Or people who come in here just to call other people names then ask why those people are getting offended.
Like I got called a suck-up last week for saying 1 nice thing about S6 which I thought was hilarious.

[fiery perch]

In general: I would love for the environment to feel welcoming to people. Whether it's with them wnating to express their enjoyment with the game-- because genuinely, I do love seeing people love that! I get joy from that, genuinely. Or if they are wanting to express a frustration or something.

I just like talking with ppl here and discussing stuff. Like I said before, used to love this game, I just can't properly play ti anymore due to reasons. So seeing people still having enjoyment makes me smile. Discussing possible features we might want to see, also makes me smile. I love seeing different perspectives.

[dry swift]

#💬│palia-general Honestly feels like an echo-chamber for positive feedback for S6; which is honestly great because I think everyone deserves to know when they're doing things right.

#💬│palia-discussions Is an echo-chamber for negative feedback which is just as important. But I feel like discord rules tend to get enforced here more than general.

It shouldn't be us vs. the "toxic positivity" crowd or general. In fact, it shouldn't be us vs. anyone. We should be working WITH S6 to make the game better.

[marsh depot]

I can understand what you mean Ori (I don't know where I implied I didn't). But once again, I just feel like I'm talking into an echo chamber here. At the end of the day this should all be for fun and not getting people hurt. And like I mentioned to you, everything that transpired here has actually been hurtful for me (as someone who also got said similar things to the ones that were told here in the past).

(And if someone wants to call me a suck up for not agreeing with it, go ahead)

[fiery perch]

Oh! I dont' think you implied I didn't, was moreso just trying to add-on to what you were saying, sorry! I completely understood where you were coming from!

(was trying to say 'you' as a general usage, not specifically you! should of clarified, apologies!)

[dry swift]

I think this is a good safe space for people who want to vent or theorycraft or just talk about whatever if it makes them feel better about themselves.
We should try our best to keep it a supportive place.

[fiery perch]

And to addon more, I agree! It def becomes an echo chamber of sorts at times here. I think that's also why I try to break it up at times with random doodles past few days (plus it has inspired me at times), or bringing up different ideas!

[pallid ferry]

We ducked too close to the sun.

[dry swift]

I mean, just think of all the things that would have gone unfixed if we were not as vocal as we are.

[vagrant lotus]

My personal highlight for this channel is being thanked for allowing someone to vent and relating to them about the issue. I feel like that's important to the server in general. Its healthy. I also feel like I can't do this anymore. I don't want to keep reading people talk about the same issues/frustrations I'm experiencing playing the game and basically be shamed out of/afraid to talk about it.

[dry swift]

discussions is very much a support group at this point for those of us who have become disillusioned with Palia and S6.

S6 coming in here and telling us we can't be a support group feels very much like an overreach. Of course, we should try to keep things civil at all times but you just can't change human nature.

[marsh depot]

Now I need a support group for people who have also become disillusioned with discussions.

[vagrant lotus]

I'm about to have to be a support group of one, I haven't even opened the game in days because I just get frustrated and there's nothing left for me to do besides buy furniture. And if I come to say something like that or talk with other people about theorycrafting new quests/reworking some stuff, it'll be the 80th time I've done it. So... 🤷🏼‍♀️

[fiery perch]

Yeah, i think a huge difference is just how it's done. When it becomes way too inflammatory, i think, is where the issue/line gets crossed.

[dry swift]

That's why I really liked when we could just talk about games/other topics as well. It was a nice break from the usual doom-and-gloom of the state of Palia.

[polar elbow]

IMHO the problem isn't with wanting to cut down on "repeat topics", the problem is that it appears like rules are being made against it without giving people any other place to discuss those topics. Whether that was the intent of the #📢│community-news announcement or not, that is how people are interpreting it.
People have already been all but chased into this channel for being "too negative", just for airing legitimate criticisms about the game. Now many are worried they're not even going to have this one channel to talk about things like that, either.

[dry swift]

Sometimes it feels like this discussions channel has a stronger sense of community than the actual game itself.

[vagrant lotus]

or how it could tie into Palia and improve the game. Nobody's just talking about random games unless it sorta relates

[somber crag]

The goal wasn't to make people afraid of sharing feedback or their frustrations in this chat. The announcement message specifically says that those things are okay! I know Orii linked to WC's message earlier, so I don't want to do that again, but the 'spamming' moreso refers to something like the situation that happened with trading, not people coming in to talk about an issue that hasn't been resolved in the game (i.e., snowballs).

There's been a lot of discussions that have happened since that announcement happened. That can still be a thing. We just can't let things become a slippery slope into wishing harm on people, that's not okay. And we also can't really just "let it go" when handfuls of people reach out to say they don't know how to jump into a conversation when their viewpoint is the opposite of the majority. It's a weird, delicate balance.

No one is saying you can't be mad at S6 and talk about being mad in this channel. You can still do that.

[fiery perch]

It has from time to time, admittedly! Like when I brought up no man sky briefly to Herp. Sometimes I try to just mention it briefly in case i remember something, and then try to move on from it. Heavy on try.

[marsh depot]

At the end of the day, I just hope people reap what they sow. That's all I'm gonna say anymore.

[fiery perch]

Again Anner, ty for explaining it better to the best you could! I'm assuming when you say trading, like what happened in the past, right? Just for clarification? (when the trading channel had to be archived and remade)

[dry swift]

I'm 100% in agreement with you, anyone that wishes harm on another person has no place here.
I think it should be acceptable to call out and question certain choices being made my certain people at S6 without fear for repurcussions as long as we're keeping it civil as well.

[dry swift]

I can understand that for sure. But only the future will tell what the consequences for all of this will be. Until then, we just have to be the best we can be ourselves.

[vagrant lotus]

I see they added the edit for spam in the community announcement, but @polar elbow is right, the wording of the whole thing is too ambiguous. They need a proper CM ASAP to get in here for future communications because the way that message reads is apparently something entirely different from what it means. And anyone new joining the server isn't going to know to read though miles of texts for clarification on what it all means.

[fiery perch]

I'm realizing now, that might of also been what WC meant with trading. That definitely didn't cross my mind, and I thought he meant just talking about trading as a whole

[somber crag]

Yeah, what happened in the past when there was discussion with WC about what people wanted for the trading channel. We lined up some things that we could/couldn't do based on limitations, implemented them... and still had people spamming copy/paste messages in this chat because they disagreed. It's fine to disagree, but the copy pastas that were happening are beyond that.

[dry swift]

We definitely need a CM who will be trained in defusing heated conversations/situations.

[somber crag]

I'll try to push for them to add better examples into the message, if that helps. ❤️

[fiery perch]

Yeah, that honestly makes a lot more sense. Like I said above, I thought he meant like... when we theorycraft on trading. Not that situation in specific. That is probably what caused my huge confusion on that

It's why i was like "oh gosh, i talka bout trading theorycrafting every once in a while, and other stuff a few times. I hope that isnt spamming". and i also even thought about herp when he talks about animal husbandry, and was like "i hope that isnt spamming".

But realizing that probably meant that situation in specific, it makes a lot more sense to me lol

[pallid ferry]

Ok, hearing people were copy-pasting the same messages over and over makes sense. Not just bringing the same topic up in different ways

[vagrant lotus]

Really wording like it's addressing an individual who continues to spam the chat after their messages have been addressed/asked to stop/etc. will be actioned against. Because the way it reads, the "repeat topics" is absolutely horrible wording if they are talking about people spamming messages

[somber crag]

You still can!
There was less of, "I disagree with WC on this topic," and more, "WC is incompetent, WC is dumb, WC is x, y, z" and that just... y'aaall.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, that's also what I meant earlier like... it's different when it's holding someone accountable, and it's another when it gets a bit too inflammatory. 2 different vibes and atmosphere.

[somber crag]

I get what you mean, for sure. People think we mean, "You can't continue talking about being upset with how expensive cosemetics are!", but that is noooot the idea. Noted, will share feedback with the team.

[dry swift]

I'm just of the camp that even smart people make questionable choices.
We're all guilty of it, but when we do we need to fix any bridges we might have burned along the way and take accountability.

I feel like certain members of S6 have burned many bridges with many parts of the community by their miscommunication.
Examples would be the Accessibility crowd when they found out that the Toggle VFX feature seemed like a promised thing only to realize that it was only a concept and never actually made it into development.

[worn snow]

i do think (and this could be pessimism on my part ) it's intentionally vague for the purpose of moderator discretion and that doesn't really cultivate trust in the community

[limpid root]

It made it into the patch notes so there was no reason to think it wouldn't exist. 😰

[vagrant lotus]

also memes and gifs that don't add to the conversation is ambiguous too. I know explicitly duck memes and such were mentioned to be excluded, but at first it read like we were gonna get punished for making memes about yet another communication issue. So extra words around that, explicitly saying it's only referring to certain memes, like not Palia related or harmful/derailing memes meant to shut down a conversation. Again, what was clarified here in chat for some reason amd not in the OG message.

[somber crag]

I wouldn't bonk you for that, no. But to be honest, my goal isn't to sit here and have people send me theortical messages me to see what does and does not pass. We do want people to think about what they send before they send it and makes sure it's not inflammatory for the sake of being inflammatory.

[pallid ferry]

The duck memes felt like stress relief for a frustrating situation.... and it got us 3 ducks.

There's DUCK LORE now

[dry swift]

The duck memes were honestly one of the best things to come out of this channel.

[fiery perch]

and the ducks have boyfriends

[dry swift]

It's like whenever S6 drops the ball like that, it brings us even further together as a community.

[hollow crescent]

btw im disappointed that wasnt a seperate item but was on a tray with other things

[somber crag]

I was saying that to get ahead of people potentially sending me "so is this allowed?" messages. It wasn't specifically aimed at you, my bad. ❤️

I'm saying this to be transparent... sometimes things have to be vague. We cannot outline every situation/message/possible meme and edit the OG message to add on new things as they happen. Moderating large servers or any kind of body of people requires some grey area. If we nailed things down to be hyper specific, there are (unfortunately) people who would purposefully skirt around the edges to make something that wasn't specifically outlined.

[fiery perch]

honestly fair It could of been cute if it was separate. esp cuz i feel like it looks separate in the trailer, but eh

[vagrant lotus]

everything else about the community message was fine, absolutely call out toxic behavior, personal attacks are not okay. But for a community of what like over 300,000 on this discord, and a community based on memes and a game in beta, being ambiguous about how you're going to handle memes and repeat topics is something that needs to be delicately worded. Not that we need examples listed in the message, but more like "hey, we're not gonna action against Palia memes and stuff, just people posting memes in attempt to shut down a legit conversation" IDK I'm not a CM so I don't know how to word it, I just know it caused a lot of issues

[dry swift]

Yeah those terms seem totally reasonable.

[somber crag]

We can try to work on some of the wording to have it more clear, but... there are some Palia memes that are specifically aimed at devs that we wouldn't allow, so this is where it gets tricky. Palia memes about the ore, or NPCs are fine, but if they're purposefully inflammatory memes that are posted during a tense convo, that's something we wouldn't allow. It's not constructive, y'know?

[vagrant lotus]

Yeah I think that's where the personal attacks and stuff comes in to overlap, I don't mean to say all Palia memes are exempt, but I just mean a better wording so people didn't go "but the ducks!?!?!?!" lmao

[fallow saffron]

The snail memes too!

[somber crag]

Yeah, we'll try to give a couple examples of what we mean. I just wanted to explain why things have blanket terms/wording sometimes. The message can't be a catch all for every situation, unfortunately.

[fallow saffron]

Jeffrey and.. Herald…?

[fiery perch]

Maybe the wording of saying like... saying "inflammatory memes" in specific aren't allowed?

So basically what you're saying, and can be worded like...

"We definitely love memes, especially when it's about lore, NPCs, and things similar, but ones that are inflammatory, especially on purpose, towards the devs or team, are not allowed or permitted." Maybe not that wording exactly, but moreso just trying to help differentiate between the two..?

[fallow saffron]

Ohh I see :o

[fiery perch]

felipe and harry, if youre asking what i named the duck & quagsire! that's their names for me

[vagrant lotus]

Absolutely. I really appreciate you taking the time to listen. I just personally feel like you can never use to many words to address a huge community issue, just to make it as clear as possible from the begining. Thanks so much

[pallid ferry]

checks Pali meme folder. All ducks and Pepperidge Farm here

[fallow saffron]

Yeah I thought “Harry” was “Herald”

[pallid ferry]

Felipe and Harry, with their friends Puddles and Onion.

[fallow saffron]

Whomst

Oh le ducks

[dry swift]

Whomst've'nt*

[fallow saffron]

I just made that my discord status

[worn snow]

this is part of why i feel it's intentionally vague for moderator discretion i feel like the line between memes ab devs and memes about the game is really thin, honestly, especially if you're critical of the game at all

and ik that's all moderation is that u have to be able to allow for mod discretion but vague announcements like that hinder self-moderation i think. idk

[dry swift]

Yasss!!!!! I now live rent-free on your status.

[vagrant lotus]

noooo I liked your old one

[fallow saffron]

The “fellas is it gay” one?

[brisk spruce]

I failed to fall asleep for a nap so... guess I'm back

[vagrant lotus]

yesssss 😂

[tranquil nest]

Been lurking for a bit bc I've been eating brekky, but yeah, this is one of the main things we wanted to tackle through the announcement. Especially bc in this channel, it's been such a mix of what we find is acceptable criticism vs people skirting around the rules to be inflammatory and then people breaking said-rules of making personal attacks and etc.

Like Anner said, there's gotta be some grey area because we try to give benefit of the doubt to members. Like we're mods, but we're still players too, so we understand a lot of the frustrations toward the game as much as anyone.

[somber crag]

Yeah, I think focusing on "inflammatory memes" might be a way to clarify it... but the overarching goal is just to keep the conversation constructive and civil. We worry about making things specific because what if we put that, but what if people use that as a way to spam regular memes, and then get upset when we delete them because they're "not inflammatory"?

These are the sort of things that actually do happen.

This is why it's just delicate.

90% of the time, all of these things will be a non-issue. But yeah, we'll try to clarify what we mean.

[fiery perch]

That makes sense. I think Ciri above the response i made, was well worded too! Just going to repost what ciri said so it's a tad easier::

"'Memes related to Palia are allowed, unless the memes are purposely inflammatory. Please also refrain from spamming memes during fast moving chat conversations/chat as it can disrupt the conversation and cause for legitimate concerns to be quashed'"

I think bringing up spamming memes during fast chat, like ciri said, could help. or using it to potentially 'derail' a conversation.

[somber crag]

Oh I missed that, but yeah! Sorry Ciri. >.<

I'm technically at work so loool.

My eyes are not catching all of the things.

[dry swift]

WFH? Do you mean Chat From Home? ⌨️

[somber crag]

Even worse... 👀 I'm in the office... shhhhh....

[dry swift]

Oooooohh I'm telling mom!

[vagrant lotus]

Yeah this is kinda what I mean to when I said when people are posting memes in an attempt to shut down a legit convo. Anytime someone is disruptive qualifies, but the original wording doesn't make it clear it's talking about disruptive behavior specifically and that's my Lil gripe

[fiery perch]

It happens! Figured you were at work, and it can be easy to miss messages. I just wanted to make sure it was noted/highlighted since I thought it was a decent way, too.

Either way, ty for taking time to explain and clarify. ... And get me to realize the 'trading' spamming was about the situation, not.. the mechanic, because that is, honestly, the only/main thing that confused/stumped me personally lol

[dry swift]

Dang I feel like some of us would really be out of luck if we couldn't work from home anymore.
So used to this I couldn't imagine working anywhere else.

[somber crag]

I guess the thought was that putting this:

However, when feedback and discussion crosses the line into behavior that isn’t constructive...
Ahead of the last paragraph was touching on that part. We're talking about behavior that isn't constructive. We can try to reword it to make it easier to understand, though.

[fallow saffron]

I am taking notes

[vagrant lotus]

I think it's probably because there's a bit of a difference in the connotations between "not constructive" and "disruptive"

Duck memes aren't really constructive, but they aren't disruptive. I think this is where the confusion is

[dry swift]

I think it just has to be about reading the room, which unfortunately not everyone is proficient at.

[somber crag]

They could be disruptive if people were trying to have a conversation in there, though. In my opinion, anyways.

[somber crag]

Yes, this is a large part.

[dry swift]

If everyone is spamming ducks memes and laughing and having a good time, no need to ruin their fun.

[vagrant lotus]

Yeah but again, that's disruptive behavior which can be covered in other parts of the statement.

[polar elbow]

yeah I think rewording it would help, a lot. Because as it was originally written, the announcement post is..... not sending the message that yall(as in the mods + S6) were hoping for it to, at all 😅
It seems the vast majority of the people here read it to mean something completely different.

[dry swift]

I've noticed moments where we've been having a perfectly normal conversation about the state of Palia and someone will come out of left-field with some jarring comment lol and it kinda kills the whole vibe.

[fallow saffron]

Did you mean exam? There’s a test?

[young plank]

oh i would fail that asap LOL i cant read

[fiery perch]

I thought it made sense personally! I do wonder if ppl were confused on it, since (before the edit for spamming), the... ""repeatedly reiterating the same points even after being acknowledged""

The acknowledged part also confusing others. Because some people might not realize or know when it's acknowledged. (Altho, at least for me, i think i get it now knowing y'all meant the situation and not the trading mechanic. and copypasta stuff!)

[somber crag]

I will say that... we're never going to be perfect at this in a large server, but part of it is keeping channels focused on their specific purpose. This is an "official" server for a game, so we try to keep this channel to discussions. Most of the time it is, but if you're only using it as a spot to post duck emotes...

And yeah, it can feel silly to action on that as a mod... and it's not me wanting to harsh on the vibe, buuuut I still have to uphold somet hings.

[vagrant lotus]

This is the only reason why I think the wording is not great. People assumed that memes in general weren't allowed because they arent "constructive" but rather the message could have been exactly the same, just instead of saying memes that don't add to the conversation, it could have been said that memes that are disruptive or are making personal attacks aren't allowed. Idk

[marsh depot]

Or self awareness for that matter.

[fallow saffron]

Genuine question. Do you ever laugh at the things you have to remove because of mod stuffs?

[somber crag]

Well, like I said... I'll take this feedback/wording suggestion to the team/S6 and we'll try to rework some of it so there's more clarity and less confusion. I can't promise the world, but we'll try. ❤️

[somber crag]

All the time.

[dry swift]

I'm guilty of giving people the benefit of the doubt too much.

[marsh depot]

I sadly have learnt the hard way to never give people that.

[young plank]

well if i have said something in the past then i would like to be told hey what you said wasnt okay etc. How am i supposed to know if i offended someone if no one talks about it? (this is just aimed in general cause i can be a bit harsh with my wording.)

[fiery perch]

This is fair, imo. And it makes sense. I've modded for a server in the past, so I completely get how it can be... a bit tricky to judge, or when things can be 'silly' to action on specific stuff. It can be tricky.

[warm python]

I'm way behind, but will we see those same rules applied for people who get angry at any criticism in gen chat? I think a good chunk of us are here BECAUSE we feel so uncomfortable posting in the general channel, and I've modmailed about issues time and time again but so much still falls through the cracks

I don't feel welcome there, neither do a lot of the rest of us I'm sure, so I'd like to know that it's going to be enforced the other way around and general is going to get the same microscope as us

[marsh depot]

Yep, this is the one thing I can agree with.

[warm python]

We've had people over there come into here just to call us entitled, or if we take any mild criticism over there, and I've seen many situations where despite modmails little has been done, so I just worry about the consistency

[marsh depot]

Even if you say something supportive, you'll get chased out.

[somber crag]

Yes, the goal is for there to be room for everyone to have their opinion. I know that in the past I've stepped into general to say that people are allowed to be frustrated at S6, and we (mods + s6) can work together more to say that publicly in chats when those convos happen... I'm thinking about patch days and stuff, but yes. ❤️

I'm sorry that you feel like you've been pushed into discussions. General is where the most people land, so it can be the most overwhelming to navigate, but we'll try to get ahead of that / deal with it faster.

[dry swift]

I've never been brave enough to have a hot take in General, but I can imagine how it would probably go for me lol.

[median pivot]

meow meow meow meoowww good morning palia frjebds

[warm python]

Here? Ive never seen anyone chased out for being supportive, the only time I've seen people really get angry at someone is when they come in here to intentionally troll and rile people up

[young plank]

its not fun LOL stay in here. the water nice and warm here

[somber crag]

Personally, I think the biggest thing that we (again, the mods) can do better is not just action in private, but post messages in public about what is / isn't allowed. A lot of the time... we are actioning, but we're not following up with people who report users to say, "Yes, their wrist as been slapped!" so it looks like stuff is falling through the cracks.

[fallow saffron]

Pspspspsps

[median pivot]

o(-< oh i came in at a time good luck plushie hunting

[tranquil nest]

And genuinely this is totally valid!! Technically whenever we make announcements, it's run through quite a few of us for sure, but since all of us are mods, we have a certain mindset and intent when wording them, but we know sometimes it'll be specific parts of the announcement that are isolated and asked about for clarification, and that's okay c:

As we have in the rules, tone and intent can be hard to read, but sometimes patience for some clarification and asking questions can go a long ways

[livid lagoon]

I have to be careful here, but the whole "acknowledged" thing is just troublesome in my opinion, 'cause in some instances it has such a level of subjective interpretation it causes a really unclear situation.

Sometimes there is a ruckus about something, S6 will come say something about it which in their mind might be acknowledging something but which touches on something that was besides the point users made, but because of that it's now a "acknowledgement repetition" minefield.

Or where they seemingly acknowledge something, then address it in a way users feeo are really bad, but again since that issue was harped on so much it goes straight into the danger zone of "we did acknowledge it and did something about it".

[fiery perch]

I can see this and understand that. I speak in general sometimes-- usually to help folks and navigate if theyre needing help (like finding the tradiing channel, or resources), maybe touch on a topic that i see interest me.

But there has definitely been times, where people have, what felt like, shoo'd me or others into discussions when something was more critique, or shoo'ing into accessibility-discusisons when trying to talk about accessibility.

It doesnt happen as often now, but it still does every once in a while. It sucks when it does.

[marsh depot]

I meant in gen chat, didn;t get to type it all in the same sentence. But yes, occasionally here too tbh. It has been harder to in the last days with everything being on fire here. Like Herp and someone else said, this sometimes turns into an echo chamber of negativity. Which is also understandable considering how gen chat is. Both are harmful in a way at the end of the day.

[warm python]

People being pushed into discussions was a thing even before the mod team switch up, so yeah. A lot of us got shoved here, and many felt they had to leave the server and go to different ones altogether. Just wanna give my view as someone who's seen it happen over such a long time. It's why we seem so overly negative here sometimes, it's because we get chased away when we say anything elsewhere on the server

So it all piles up here

[dry swift]

I'm honestly fine with genchat doing their thing. That's why I just don't go over there to kill the vibe by trying to bring light to something. I think I just understand that's what this chat is for.

[young plank]

eh i guess ill just stop memeing all together. I dont want to have to walk on eggshells to figure out whats good or not. Such a shame

[dry swift]

It stinks that people in the community get ostracized for having negative feelings about Palia, but that happens with any culture.
You have people who accept the status quo and don't want it disturbed and you have rebels who constantly try to disrupt the status quo.

[warm python]

Yeah, I agree. It does get frustrating on our end to see someone trying to provoke us into fights, or posting really awful things, and it seems like they're getting away with it. Which just sours the mood further

[pallid ferry]

Discussions feels like a group showing up at a backyard BBQ. General is a nightclub where it's so loud, you're not sure who's talking to who.

[fallow saffron]

We are all in a dimly lit tavern

[warm python]

That person the other night seemed to be given more benefit of the doubt than many of the long time passionate server members so it definitely feels... Frustrating

[young plank]

and im in the corner ready to bolt out the door when the taverns on fire

[dry swift]

I swear I miss all the drama whenever I'm busy being addicted to other games.

[fiery perch]

Which I don't.. fully agree with, unless it's getting inflammatory (of course) or if it's too off-topic. That i get. but if ppl are being civil and talking about something, esp in shorter sentences, i think it is okay, personally?

If it was going really in-depth (like how we do wall of texts here, for example), I can get it though. I try to keep my msgs a bit on the shorter side in palia-gen because of it.

this admittedly makes me sad, because i personally read it as us 'suffering' with the bugs, like when we just happen to clip into mountains or walls, it's like "haha well... this is my life now" in a joking way

[azure delta]

Those are mail rewards. Overflow inventory should go straight into your home chest. As you can see with stickers, they fall into the void. Palia support says they're tracking so we'll see if they fix this anytime soon.

[young plank]

right but eh the first slap in the face left me with not wanting to touch memes in this server at all. sigh oh well guess ill go play ranch sim

[fiery perch]

Hopefully soon! They just dont' have a tag currently to be visible in the chest. They just need to add a 'tag' or 'category' of some kind, so they pop up

[warm python]

A while ago, I stopped talking here for a chunk of time because I was told that the person clearly trying to insult us over and over shouldnt have their motived assumed, but I got yelled at for it... Granted that was pre mod team switch but yeah it happens quite a bit

Sorry for typos fhsjhf just got up and still laying in bed on my phone

[livid lagoon]

Anyway, I'll just sum it up by saying there is just too much lack of clarity, and so much of the announcements remain unclear.

I understand the need to be vague so you can catch stuff that would technically follow the letter of the law but in intent break it.

But the vagueness, combined with how thing have been handled in here in the past (more so how S6 has handled things than mods tbh) has made it hard to trust the motives within the vagueness, and how it gets handled behind closed doors. When trust is already low, introducing perceived vagueness lowers it and makes people more inclined to feel on the chopping block for minor things.

[west marlin]

Brand new joined account, first post in an opt-in channel, immediately inflammatory but toxicly positive = good faith
Two years in the discord, hours dedicated in trade or tech support, frustrated by the game state and communicate issues = bad faith

[dry swift]

It's kind of hard when trolls thrive off of attention, then by trying to gently suggest how they can contribute better to a conversation you're giving them the attention they crave.

[west marlin]

The irony is picking the top one of the bottom has been proven again and again when those people get their fill of drama and leave the game and the community, while the people who were actually passionate but understandably jaded are left isolated and actually wanting to contuine to be a part of the community despite all that

[warm python]

We've chatted about this before here and elsewhere but yeah it makes it feel like there's a different standard to how rules and punishments are applied, which feels rough and just adds onto the bitterness

And the other day was just another showing of that, so...

[livid lagoon]

Urh, when you type something and find a much better way of saying it right after sending 😂

In other words:
When you feel S6 has made a lot of bad faith decisions and statements lately, it is hard to attribute good faith and intentions to statements that in theory can be used to target almost anything.

[worn snow]

oh man this so much. that guy who was baiting people and saying that ppl whose photosensitive epilepsy was triggered should just quit the game? never banned. no one got mad at him. bc he was on the dev's side.

if i had said what i wanted to there? i would be immediately banned.

[vagrant lotus]

people have come in here semi recently to be abelist in this same regard and nobody ever does anything. it's why I stay out of gen chat

[warm python]

I'm genuinely sad how many passionate and helpful players the community has lost whether involuntarily or voluntarily

[worn snow]

it also sucks bc like... there were mods around. wizardcrab himself was around. i dont know if he ever got a smack on the wrist but like 😭😭😭😭

[limpid root]

It certainly feels that way.

[polar elbow]

I feel this is something that would help a lot, yeah.
There is a lot of action "behind the scenes" where people get bonked and there's a huge uproar because it was for seemingly no reason, or on the other side of the coin, people who're stirring things up and being disruptive don't look like they get bonked at all.

While the actual actions themselves should stay private, I think that there is a definite need for more visible mod presence/verbal warnings in public chat areas where a mod might say "hey, that isn't okay" and give people an opportunity to correct their behavior before moving to actual actions/punishments.
(Of course, some offenses are too severe to give this kind of leeway, but the fear of getting bonked "without warning" due to a misunderstanding is a big reason why people are always feeling like they have to walk on eggshells to begin with...)

[west marlin]

I'm pretty sure one of them reached out and asked for their posts to be removed

[vagrant lotus]

The standard should never have changed from auto deleting banned users messages... I can't think of any reason other than to show other mods why they were banned, but that what admin logs are for

[warm python]

(Not even going into the ban appeal process cause I'm afraid of that being something disallowed to be talked about but it's...not...great)

[pallid ferry]

The decision definitely needs to be looked at again. Because if someone is "bad" enough to warrant a permanent ban from discord, then it should be assumed that most of their provided content is unwanted. Also a good way to scrub ALL of that user's malicious contributions.

[west marlin]

I will say there are some cases where people aren't bad and don't deserve to have their contributions removed 🥺 they're just frustrated

[coral mauve]

Okey, palia is off, so welcome discord server!

[warm python]

Once, a long time ago, some banned users had all their art posted sent into the void and they were...quite unhappy about that

So honestly best thing to me would be for the banned user to choose whether their non-banworthy stuff stays or not, idk. Makes it complicated. But it was rough on that side too

[analog moth]

Nicely timed to finish hot pot lmao

[livid lagoon]

I'll say this: In theory, I understand not deleting it. It also means deleting potential evidence. Unless they put in place systems that copy and archive post made by a certain user before deleting them, it means they are left without evidence both to reaffirm that an action was correct, or for appeals to prove that an incorrect decision was made. Sure, we could say "archive just the specific messages being actioned against", but that might still mean losing context; context that might also hurt someones appeal because isolated a comment may seem bad but in context it may be a valid comment. And if appeal goes through, their comments can't be reinstated.

In practice, it also has unintentionally also has some bad side-effects, especially in a place where there is very little trust and people already feel like the company has been effectively overly benefiting and relying on volunteer work. In many cases it ends up feeling like they say "well, we'll keep the good stuff you've said and keep benefiting from it, but you yourself can go straight out of here". That may not be the intent, there may be genuine causes to keep messages (such as stated above), but as - unfortunately and I suppose dangerously - is the case with a lot of things lately, it comes down to a trust that is already gone so it is easy to be suspicious (and for all we know potentially right).

In fact, both the above points can be true at the same time.

[vagrant lotus]

they didn't have their art saved to something else? that's terrible 😭 but unfortunately I'd rather all messages be scrubbed so someone's free labor can't be taken advantage of. Can't use discord forums like a cloud folder haha

[fiery perch]

I think this might of been touched on already, but-- of course, not targeting or saying something was actioned- but... maybe, just a reminder of a rule (which kinda happens already), or saying to not go over the line and being inflammatory.

Or, like what happened recently, when someone was coming in to talk (imo inflammatory) about accessibily-- would be good if a mod would of brought up that us talking about it is fine. Us expressing our frustrations was okay. but what isnt okay, is dismissing it or invalidating how we, as a community, feel about that topic.

Even if it wasn't targeted at someone in specific, it'd be nice to see ppl mention it isnt okay, so other people know that it def isn't.

Edit: Clarification on wording

[limpid root]

Banning folks that are active in tech-help / issues-discussions and then the policy suddenly changing about deleting posts does seem pretty sus tbh.

[pallid ferry]

In ANY case, someone should have to act consistently egregious before earning a ban- timeouts are a thing for a REASON.

[west marlin]

I do just want to say in their defense that I believe this changed before the tech support guys got banned

I only think that because I saw an actual troll get banned before that and their posts weren't removed

[warm python]

I'd like to hope there was at least a local backup! But some of em were huge in the art channels and did weekly posts and all, and a lot of that work got scrubbed off this server

So I get both sides of people either wanting their stuff to be kept or scrubbed

It really depends on the situation imo. But I think people should have the choice for their messages to be removed if they aren't

[vagrant lotus]

there are bots that quotes and archives all messages to a specific channel that cant be seen by everyone else, but yeah, they can lose context. but tbh if someone's messages are bad enough for a ban, they probably dont need much context

[livid lagoon]

No, unless a bot archives it before mass deletion. But that would mean someone, somewhere would have to provide that storage; I doubt the bot owners would want to provide that storage, so it would fall to either S6 paying for it, or mods paying for it out of pocket, and someone would have to implement the archiving. Even archived it can't be put back though.

[pallid ferry]

(When things come back up can someone with the issue check if sticker packs were given a correct inventory tag for storage? K thanks.)

[livid lagoon]

Now this I am in favour of: Being able to request full deletion, but that obviously means a ban appeal is out of the question if you do.

[warm python]

Oh no they weren't?

[livid lagoon]

I've not checked it technically, but I've heard so many reports about it already that I think it's safe to say it has not been given correct tags... a.k.a. gets stuck in chests.

[raven orbit]

I think especially there should also be a "grace period" between getting a warning for something and correcting behavior. If it takes someone an hour to get a warning for something, but they kept doing that thing within the hour (because they hadn't been warned for it yet) they shouldn't have a "one strike and you're out" system /gen

[pallid ferry]

Same issue as the honey, except there's no sneaky way to recall the packs from storage like the honey-worm farm.

[warm python]

Ban appeals here are uh.... Their own thing I have some major issues with, but that's a whole thing in it's own

[warm python]

I was just thinking yeah that sounded like the honey issue

[livid lagoon]

Oh, a lot of things that need a fresh paint.

[raven orbit]

Also I think there should be confirmation, like a mod reaching out to DM them if its possible, that people have actually gotten the warning. I know there've been some cases where people haven't gotten a warning because something with either discord or the bot was messed up

[warm python]

They do. And I've been trying to suggest a visit to Home Depot for a very long time to no avail

[livid lagoon]

Part of the issue is that if EinarBot is blocked from DMing them due to their privacy settings, a mod reaching out will probably be blocked too, so in theory that might not work much better.

[vagrant lotus]

really just a mod replying to the aforementioned message and saying "hey, that's not cool, you're gonna be muted if you keep acting this way" or something would be enough. Everyone can see that the person was warned, other people know what to expect and what not to do. The bot is not useful if it asks for some people passwords, doesn't send messages to some and doesn't specify what the problem was.

[rough sparrow]

Hey can the drop or chance increase for plushies my friend has been playing for a year plus and she doesn’t have a single plushie and we grind this game?

[pallid ferry]

Yeah, the warning should cover all activity between the first "bad behavior) and the time of the warning. If reports of the bad behavior aren't tended to in a timely manner, thats on those in power. Really what needs to be done is the mod tag the person and go "Moose, please check your DMs." If I ignore the direction of the mods.... My fault and more strikes.

[livid lagoon]

Hahaha, ahh. The jokes I want to tack on to this, but... eggshells. So you'll have to imagine me making some more jokes.

[fiery perch]

!feedback Make sure your feedback/suggestion gets sent in! Hopefully they do better with the drop %, or even introduce a pity system so after a while it's guaranteed!

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[west marlin]

After countless games of hot pot and spinning that wheel probably 500+ times I finally got the plushie prize. The rng is killer

[warm python]

Okay I should drag myself out of bed already lmghdh brb

[livid lagoon]

Also, I'm torn about mods reaching out. On one hand, I think there needs to be more accountability, and in recent times there are some instances that I feel are failures when it comes to clarity from the mod team (not talking about disagreeing with bans/warnings here before someone hops on that). With everything happening behind a drawn curtain it feels hard to address that and for accountability to held.

On the other hand, mods being named in actions or reaching out personally means they make easier targets for malicious actors. Well, "you personally banned/actioned against me, time for revenge" type of things.

[somber crag]

Both to @polar elbow & @fiery perch, saw and noted your messages! Will share the feedback with the team. ❤️ I'm at work, so I can't reply to this as well as I want to but I did read it + made a mental note.

[fiery perch]

Appreciate you and thank you. Try not to get into trouble at work!

[warm python]

The one thing that gets rough is that I know people (and personally) have been afraid to modmail because you have no idea who you're talking to, and if your concern is about a mod's actions.... Well. The only chice is to go to WC who has a dozen plates spinning at once and likely can't do anything anyway

[fiery perch]

Yes, I honestly understand both points. I personally, would like to know which mod is responding to me via modmail, but I can understand why it's hidden. But it would make me feel more comfortable. (I know you weren't talking about that specifically, but yeah.)

It's a.. i understand both points, but it makes it tough (on both sides).

But I know in some instances, it's probably a few ppl responding at once (like discussing what i suggested, and then getting back to me as/in 1 message)

[waxen mauve]

This is the thing that made the other night so frustrating imo - that person continued to talk freely and harass people in an ableist way for a good hour or so. And we were told action was taken, but I feel like a temp mute would have not only addressed the issue but made people feel protected from trolls by the moderation team.

[somber crag]

I swear I'm working, lol.
I know there are some mods (me, as an example) that are fine with being DMed if ModMail is uncomfortable / doesn't work for people, but is it fine that we share those messages with the mod team? That's the only thing. To be transparent, we share the conversation with the mod team so we're not dealing with anything alone.

[rough sparrow]

I have been playing for two weeks and got 3 rare

[polar elbow]

I think looking into a ticket system might be a good idea, for multiple reasons

[raven orbit]

I think it's okay to share the messages with the mod team, as long as it's understood that if someone was reporting about a mod then that mod shouldn't have any say in what action is taken against them /gen

[warm python]

Yeah, though like, for example it's about another mod, I'd like the user to be given the same amount of time and an ear given to to explain as the mod in question is in that team channel or whatnot

It's easy for someone to defend themselves with a platform than without

[livid lagoon]

Aye, and I totally get that, and honestly, I agree. The facelessness is a very real issue. But also, since I can't "target" anyone, reaching out to certain individuals I already don't trust to hope and get something resolved also is a hard one. And if you reach out to a mod or WC, you have to be able to trust that specific individual, 'cause now your request doesn't end up on the table to the entire mod team can see, it ends up with an individual.

Also, modmail asks me for password, so I'd be forced to reach out to individuals anyway (well, not forced, 'cause I could give my password away to the bot, and my credit card details, and my mother's maiden name).

Honestly, I get both sides, and it feels like an impossible balance to achieve here. I don't even know what I think is the ideal balance.

[somber crag]

To make sure I'm understanding...
In a hypothetical situation where you're reaching out to complain to me about EinarBot (that scoundrel), I share the message that I'll be sharing the conversation with the team. I wait to share the convo with the team until after you and I have had a good back and forth so I can get your perspective without inviting in another one?

[spark haven]

Based

[warm python]

Something like that yeah! And to do your best not to let your association/possible friendship with the mod get in the way of making a rational decision. The person who gets to talk second to defend themselves always gets a leg up in any sort of thing as it is, so it's rough when you're first at the podium as is jkasda

[tacit bough]

Who pinged me?

[vagrant lotus]

probably the maintenence ping in #📢│palia-status

[fiery perch]

I dont' think anybody did recently in this channel, but there was a ping about the hotfix in #📢│palia-status .

[tacit bough]

It wasn't the hotfix

[somber crag]

For sure. I get what you mean. I will say that I feel we do a fairly good job at keeping other mod relationships aside... that's extremely important so we can call each other out if we feel like something is being done unfairly. I am someone who frequently shares an opinion that might not be the most popular one all the time, so I get it.

[warm python]

Someone might have responded to something you said a while ago in the conversation?

[somber crag]

You can click the little mailbox in the top right of Discord and see what mentions you have.

That might help.

[waxen mauve]

You can search "mentions: serena lily" in this chat also

[warm python]

I'll be completely transparent in that you'd be the first I'd go to about anything

[fiery perch]

Adding on with what Anner is saying, this!
Idk what it looks like or where it is on mobile though, but ti says Inbox and that's what it looks like at least on PC.

[tacit bough]

I don't see it

[vagrant lotus]

on mobile, swipe out of the server and click notifications in the middle of the bottom of your phone

[somber crag]

Mystery ping. It might've been a message that was deleted.

[waxen mauve]

It'll look like this

[tacit bough]

I'm on mobile

[fiery perch]

This is also possible. I know the last msg that mentioned Serena, was a reply about S6/the devs coming in on occassion to talk with ppl

[west marlin]

Thanks Anner we appreciate you

[young plank]

i learned something new today! Thank you! XD

[whole burrow]

Hey! Do we know how long it usually takes for maintenance?

[tacit bough]

Yeah I'm wondering that too

[fiery perch]

Is the hotfix not over? You should of been able to log back in

[pulsar meteor]

To clarify a couple points, for general info: the setting to preserve a banned user's messages was changed back in early January of this year, and was indeed done for more transparency in both directions. And when a user sends a message to modmail, we all get the modcats ping, and can see the conversations that happen - even after tickets are closed.

[whole burrow]

Oh okay I haven’t tried logging in since I thought they would announce when it was over

[fiery perch]

They don't often mention when it's over when it's a quick hotfix/restart like this! Just to clarify for the future.

When it's a routine update that should be an hour or a few, they will. But when it's a quick kick and log-back in, they dont!

[whole burrow]

Ooohhh okay thank you!!

[waxen mauve]

Yeah, it's usually not very long unless something weird happens and they have to fix more stuff as a result

[normal saddle]

Luckily enough for me, I'm at work! So most of the time, updates are done by the time I'm off

[waxen mauve]

Couple hours

[polar elbow]

I've seen some discord servers deal with this by implementing a ticket system instead of using modmail (or sometimes using both).
The ticket-creating bot in these cases, puts the person creating the ticket in a private channel with the moderator team as a whole, and they can talk with the mod team that way- allowing them to talk with the mod team as a group without a bot asking for their password or anything like that

[pulsar meteor]

it would be a case-by-case basis - we've done it before, especially for a user's created artworks they no longer wanted featured.

[normal saddle]

Oh heck, I just realized your a mod! Hi, haven't seen you before. Are you a new one or just not in this channel much?

[pulsar meteor]

me? no i've been here all along, but i've got a full time job and a bunch of kids so i'm not as active a chatter

[sleek abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-funny-smile-happy-gif-7621419476068285580

[grizzled mist]

evan has been here longer than me, which feels like forever!

[sleek abyss]

gifs are always unwelcomed here i give up

[normal saddle]

Ah chill, I'm a college student and working part time doing home healthcare. So I hop on chat when I'm procrastinating. My client lets me do homework after my chores which is real nice of him. Plus, being in a 'work' environment makes my brain less likely to be distracted for some reason. Also the ADHD meds start wearing off after my shift so eh

[normal saddle]

Justice for the gifs

It would be nice if we had a Palia memes chat and gifs would be allowed in their full glory there. I get why they're not allowed in regular chats

[lethal granite]

https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/850276396390547466

[normal saddle]

Well heck

[fiery perch]

you also can post gifs. just either from the phone gif keyboard (i believe?), or if you have it saved already and upload them. example with one of the gifs they had in old patch notes

(how i wish i had that gazebo).

[livid lagoon]

I thought there was some functionality in modmail already to allow ticketing (but I haven't looked too deeply into it so I might be wrong), but I'm unsure of how much that solves.
Password-wise, it still means there needs to be preemption about me wanting a ticket opened (say I disagree with an action taken in a channel rather than a direct warn), if any interaction from me with modmail requires my password.
As for talking, unless the ticket lists who made an action, and the mods choose to talk in the ticket with their names visible (rather than through a bot) we're still left with the same facelessness.
And if they talk with their "regular accounts" instead, it still leaves them targetable in the same way.

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" kinda thing.

[fiery perch]

i still find it sooo strange that modmail asks for your password (and someone else's that i know of).

[normal saddle]

Same, in all the discord servers I've been in, none of them have asked for my password

[limpid root]

It shouldn't though.

[livid lagoon]

Yeah, it is strange. I don't seem to be in the majority here with the password thing, but I believe I've heard of three or four cases now (myself included).

[fiery perch]

I know at least (one) person, it only asks for it from modmail in this server specifically. It's so freaking strange.

[normal saddle]

Well, except on like two occasions but I was friends with a mod and wanted him to check on my Minecraft base while I was away for like a month

[fiery perch]

Right? It really shouldn't. So I do wonder what's going on with that. It's odd.

[livid lagoon]

Could be some kind of "reduce spam by marking and requesting validation from potentially suspicious accounts" thing, so some of us get flagged.

[sleek abyss]

aaaa how do i get this deco set? i got the chairs already but not the table, idk how i get them too but i kept growing them

[fiery perch]

party up XP. it's an accomplishment

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Party_People

[brisk spruce]

I still don't have that one, my parties have been broken since that update

[fiery perch]

Yeah, same haha. I know there's some workaround/fix, but .. idno, i cant be bothered currently

[brisk spruce]

that + people not being able to invite me to party, sometimes me not being able to invite others

the invite part has actually been broken for as long as we've been in OB I think? because it was a huge problem during the very first OB maji market

[fiery perch]

oh gosh i remember this haha

I think i recall it being a thing, way back then too, where you might see someone in your party even though they weren't, I think? Or not seeing when you got invited (which i remember a lot.)

I remember having msgs from my friend on discord like, "Ummm... are you going to accept my invite or??" (in a teasing/goofy manner) and i was like i didnt get it.. i want chapaa chase.

[brisk spruce]

yeah there was something like that, I forget the specifics now

[fiery perch]

Yeah. I just remember we had to giv eup sometimes and just do solo chapaa chase , because time was 'up'.

[olive carbon]

[If you're interested in the workaround (for your notes) that often fixes the invisible 3/4 party bug, usually all the person with the bugged party has to do is add someone to their ghost party and have them accept the party invite and it should self-correct at least for a time]

Of course, that's if they're able to send the request at all and have friends online that can help

[fiery perch]

Thank you! I do remember this being mentioned. I just can't be bothered, but maybe once I do and feel like working on it, I'll hit you up or somebody else up to help me fix it

edit: added a word bc i realized it sounded like i was going to hit fern, and i promise i would never!!!

Yep! I remember this every once in a while. Party bugs party bugs

[warm python]

[fiery perch]

my fav. my beloved. this still gives me so much joy LOL

[warm python]

I'm so glad LOL

[snow remnant]

hey yall , anything new going on ?

[dry swift]

Just got clarification from the mods not too long ago that it's still okay for us to meme and give feedback, as long as it's not inflammatory or disrupting a producive conversation, so not much changes in here.

Other than that, same stuff different day.

[marsh depot]

Just more of the usual I'd say. Pitchforks and yelling at clouds.

[warm python]

did you say yelling at clouds

[dry swift]

Idk why but now we need one where Sephiroth is yelling at Cloud.

[warm python]

I'm like 500% sure that must exist somewhere

[snow remnant]

Thanks

Herpy and Orii :3

[marsh depot]

And add throwing stones.

[scarlet hazel]

What did the maintenance do?

[warm python]

[west marlin]

Hopefully fixed the tags on the sticker packs

[warm python]

If I can't fill an entire house with rubber duckies is life truly worth living

[dry swift]

They probably realized that disco deer had stopped teleporting into terrain so they did a maintenance patch to make sure they were broken again so we could complain about it. Or sticker packs I guess.

[fiery perch]

since it was just a rolling restart, i think (could be wrong) it was just to hopefully fix some of the crashes/server issues.

[warm python]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if anything gets better or gets worse?

[dry swift]

Idk why but I still think of Hearthstone packs whenever I see the Sticker packs and all I can hear is the Tavern Keeper going "WAH!!!!! Golden Legendary!"

I wonder how that game is doing these days.

[marsh depot]

The shape of this makes me question if I need better glasses.

[dry swift]

I pretend I do not see it.

[scarlet hazel]

Well if anyone can get into the underground without needing to restart 10 times lmk

[snow remnant]

i am not seeing what i am seeing.... nope.. * pretends to cover her eyes *

[warm python]

[snow remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/hodari-nodari-palia-gif-15167077001512847260

https://tenor.com/view/hodari-palia-majiri-hm-gif-8272642307020942706

hodari is wondering when did they take that picture XD

[pallid ferry]

You may not be able to see the void, but it sees you. Watching from the edges of your plot...

[signal kayak]

always thought it was the black cat staring at me...

[dry swift]

Friendly reminder to drink plenty of water.

[pallid ferry]

This pleases the Koi Pond.

[warm python]

Does passon fruit green tea with boba count

[dry swift]

Only if you get me one too.

[warm python]

LOL

[pallid ferry]

No, thats for your belly. Kidneys need water.

[marsh depot]

Instructions unclear, I'm on my 5th cup of coffee already.

[brisk spruce]

my kidneys have learned to deal with it /j

[snow remnant]

I bet it does better than RedBull

[dry swift]

I still don't know how people drink energy drinks daily.

My heart would explode lol. I already can't do much caffeine as is.

[marsh depot]

Try playing League or Val, that'll do it.

[snow remnant]

actually, I think it does not give me energy, i just love the flavor

[dry swift]

I used to like the flavor of red bull when I was a teen but it made my chest hurt so I stopped.

[marsh depot]

At least they own up to it /hj

[dry swift]

Same goes with caffeine, if I drink even too much green tea for some reason I get really cold and start shaking.

[snow remnant]

perfect mixer for Scotch. I dont drink alcohol anymore. Just as you, I am not in a young body anymore.

[dry swift]

I'm an alcohol maybe once or twice a year kind of person. And that's 1 or 2 drinks.

[marsh depot]

I uh... I will really pretend I do not see this

[dry swift]

Is that a void in your Bahari? Or are you just happy to see me?

[snow remnant]

🙂 good good

[pallid ferry]

OMFG im so sorry

[marsh depot]

I legit choked reading this lmao.

[pallid ferry]

I did NOT see that it also looked like that

[snow remnant]

choked on my redbull and buttery toast

[dry swift]

It's just a happy little void is all.

[snow remnant]

it is Hodari's void and it is not that little.

[dry swift]

Gosh I want to make some jokes but I feel like we should probably change topics.

[marsh depot]

[snow remnant]

that is why we will just leave it at that Xd DDD

[marsh depot]

I am at least glad to see I'm not the only one who thought the same thing

[pallid ferry]

I will be away from discord for a while. Just.... ooof.

[snow remnant]

i mean, what else if not Palia am I gonna do today? Nikki has a 9 freaking hours update starting soon T_T

[dry swift]

I shooooould be working on upgrading my Starship in NMS, but I also have to work I guess.

[marsh depot]

Desperate times call for desperate measures

[snow remnant]

oh yah, I gotta go through my job's stuff also. Adult life stuff so i can have adult money.

[dry swift]

I have 3 kids and no money. Why can't it be no kids and 3 money??

[snow remnant]

i propose a toast to WFH and multiple displays! For they keep our sanity and sense of humor.

[dry swift]

I've got 2 monitors for work 2 for gaming on the same desk but I might take a little break to game after a few more files.

[snow remnant]

my only human kid is at school, my two fur babies were fed. I need at least to pretend I am rich in Gold coins and Blings after all I spend IRL xD

[marsh depot]

I remember my days of playing Rimworld and Palia while doing customer support. Good times /j

[dry swift]

The problem with No man's sky is it's the kind of game that you blink and you've played an hour already.

[marsh depot]

not the warning lmao

[fiery perch]

w- i used an emote. omg does it say something i didnt realize
OH I SEE, nevermind. i'll use this instead:

[warm python]

I'm suffering I just wanna paint the cow

[snow remnant]

the husband plays that one. we do some hwelldivers at night together tho

[fiery perch]

all i did was look for a blinking emote and didn't read the rest of what the emote said

[dry swift]

My kid is still a toddler, but I've recently gotten her to sleep by herself at night on the bed so I'm super stoked because that means she's grown out of her crib AND I now get a couple more hours to game at night before bed.

[dry swift]

For Democracy! 🫡

[snow remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-wig-gif-3563422

[snow remnant]

cow is waiting for their makeover. Also the day they release the heart island with the house to decorate will be the day i stop putting my money on Palia XD

[dry swift]

Also, I love that the animals are pretty much optional in NMS. So you can just adopt the two you like the most. I found a really cool looking serpent-bird thing that I took in and am also thinking about taking in a little mushroom friend.

[fiery perch]

yes! and you can buy more creature slots so you can get some more. 💛

[snow remnant]

there is a kitty you can sleep in bed and it will cuddle next to you and a fish you can beat ppl with

[marsh depot]

I swore I wouldn't put money on Nikki yet... My wallet is already crying /j

[dry swift]

That's odd. Once Human has the exact same thing.

I also find it funny that most of the huge animals end up being friendly then you have a tiny Chihuahua of an alien that wants to hunt you.

Like "Oh, that eldritch horror of tentacles and teeth over there? That's Steve. He volunteers at the soup kitchen on Sundays."

[snow remnant]

all and all, I have spent less in a month on Nikki than on Palia. I got Zekis rewards, two outfits and one landscape on this last update.

[snow remnant]

thats the one i was talking about on that comment lol

[dry swift]

oh okay lol. I thought you meant No Man's Sky because I know that has felines and fish too so it wouldn't surprise me.

[snow remnant]

husband's desk is behind me, we show each other what ridiculous and funny our games can be

[dry swift]

My wife is not a gamer but that's okay. We still go to Dave and Busters a couple times a year for fun.

[snow remnant]

the thing is to have fun together thats all that matters 🙂

[dry swift]

I think she likes her mobile phone games anyways. I'm a PC gamer for life.

[snow remnant]

i used to do candy crush, but once i upgraded my pc i came back to pc games n_n

[dry swift]

Now that I'm a dad, I have this rule where I don't do mobile/tablet games when I'm with my wife/daughter so I can be in the moment more.
I enjoy playing with her more than gaming anyways.

She's only going to be little for so long, you know?

[snow remnant]

true, we had a rule of no gaming until kiddo went to bed. Now kiddo is big enough to play with along with us n_n

[marsh depot]

Months ago I would've gone for Zeki's rewards, but I went for the one in Nikki instead and it was so worth it. But yeah, once Nikki releases housing I think i will be putting Palia (and this server) to rest, or at least until Elderwoods comes out and if it somehow manages to turn things around

[snow remnant]

he only has a fire tablet and we play minecraft, or joins us on our PC to play Sonic etc but we're already looking into add his own desk next to ours

[snow remnant]

that seems to be the popular feel nowadays

[marsh depot]

It's funny that some gacha games are being more rewarding and giving their players more value for their money as opposed to...other F2P games (not naming specifics)

[rare pine]

So... did the maintenance do/fix anything? I was at work while it was happening.

[warm python]

the four free outfits they're giving us in nikki soon stuff like this is why I feel like I wanna give them my money, which I always said was an issue with S6

You aren't always gonna get people buying things off the bat, you wanna turn players into payers or whatever catchy phrase you wanna use, and that involves making them feel part of everything on some level even without whipping out the good ol credit card

[snow remnant]

it almost does not feel as gacha i mean the play does not revolve around the gacha but it is only part of multiple things in that game or at least htey make it feel like that and you gotta give them kuddos for it.

[warm python]

I think the only thing I got legitly shut out of without drawing on current banners was getting the last two pinnacle mira crown points in the latest round and iirc they mentioned getting a lot of feedback about that

[marsh depot]

I'm still very careful in regards to Infinity Nikki in case they pull a Love Nikki on us. But they do very much understand that in order to keep players engaged and potentially get them to spend money on the game, you have to also give incentives be it through gameplay, or in this case, free stuff.

[snow remnant]

i really hope Palia can turn it around with elderwoods, a peak at other games would not hurt them

[warm python]

Oh yeah. I'm obviously gonna stay on my toes but so far, so good!

[marsh depot]

The Mira Crown gets so difficult out of nowhere I get its meant to be near end game content but man

[warm python]

But yeah you gotta have respect for your f2p peeps, once they are and respect you back, they'll be like "yknow what, maybe I will shell out $17 for that cloud"

[marsh depot]

I believe more people would overall benefit from the game succeeding than it crashing and burning. My hopes aren't too high but I also don't actively wish for it to just die.

[warm python]

I've been spending like every energy point on bubbles for glowups for that kind of stuff kjasda. that and whatshername from the firework isles, Joya? the styling challenges there? i wanted to punt her off a cliff

[marsh depot]

This! It doesn't feel as much of a gacha as other games in the genre do. Even their BP system is pretty laid back and what I would be hoping Palia would do if they ever decided to implement a battlepass.

[snow remnant]

i think love nikki or another nikki is still going on... not sure? And yes, MiraCrown can get very hard, it's been almost 3 months playing and i finally hit that part where i am out of blings or bubbles to glow up, however, every month there are more events to keep you distracted and not say heck i need to spend money to keep playing this AND getting fun while doing it. Lat fireworks season story was really cool and Marques is now a dear character, not only another NPC 🙂

[snow remnant]

i did the first 6, i needed to come back for the 7th cause that's when i stopped getting perfects

[limpid root]

Not to sideline the Nikki discussion... but S6 never did say what the maintenance for today was did they?

Okay - continue on! xD;

[snow remnant]

they dont usually do notes for fixes, only for monthly version updates

[fiery perch]

No. It was just kickin' people off the servers. It might of just to hopefully help with some of the crashing, or getting ppl off servers that might not of been shutting down. Im just assuming, anyways ofc

[signal kayak]

and yes, they did mention about the feedback for mira crown being where it kinda require the current banner to be pulled on, they said that they will look into it to stop having those for the final rounds

[marsh depot]

I would continue to go on but I guess it's getting too off topic and don't want to be yeeted. But yes, I agree.

[snow remnant]

so sweet if you btw n_n I hope S6 can see what we say from other games too, and get our perspective as players

[warm python]

LOL don't worry, we may be nikki blabbing but def dont wanna be at the detriment of actual palia talk

[snow remnant]

right

[warm python]

My guess is just infrastructure stuff but who knows

[warm python]

also omg Marques my beloved now

[snow remnant]

I am going to decorate my palia plot in all berry while I wait for the cow

[warm python]

[west marlin]

I'm still waiting for my remaining 297 ducks

[rare pine]

I'll see about the crashes in a minute lol

It's still crashing (on Switch). Still seems to only be a problem in the village though. Bahari's fine, but I ain't staying over there.

[neat compass]

Jeez what does this game have against Kilima lol

[fresh leaf]

People are saying not to start running into Kilima when you load in from plot. Let the map load around you for a moment before running in, should help reduce and minimize the number of times you’re crashing.

Edit: that seems to work for me as well (switch player), I use that minute to hydrate 🧃

[neat compass]

Ah, you were violating Kilima's speed limit, I see

[rare pine]

I'll keep that in mind. I'm used to waiting outside shops and stuff to avoid falling through the floor. I guess another layer of waiting can't hurt. I'm running short on patience though.

[fresh leaf]

Zeki’s shop? I glide down and hope I don’t crash loading into the underground now 😂 I’m the least patient person plus if you yell parkour and then go for it, you can give yourself +100 special points (jk, but you can pretend)

[torn ember]

Yeah, I once got softlocked because the floor didn't load at the basement of Zeki's shop until AFTER I fell into an unclimbable ditch beneath.

[rare pine]

I've gotten stuck in the steps that got to the underground, and I've fallen completely through the floor into the void. It's a pain.

[novel zinc]

do nibbles the drake will come back this year for login rewards? Can someone gift me please

[fallow saffron]

I’m not sure about stuff coming back (not fully up to date on the shop and what’s in there right now) but we are not able to gift other players at the moment /:

[neat compass]

If there happens to be an S6 person lurking, could you possibly clarify the next market dates? Even if you can't tell us publicly, maybe tell the mods so they can adjust the !market bot response with an elusive "coming soon" message or something lol.

[bright ledge]

Isn't the market supposed to be every month?

[signal kayak]

thought it was every 4 weeks

[bright ledge]

i dunno, i haven't been able to play inawhile

[lyric night]

they said it will return in march, so they will very likely announce when in their next patchnotes

[neat compass]

Yeah the bot message is just causing some confusion because it says the market should be live today. Example #4958439 of why it would be very cool to have a CM

[warm python]

Part of me is a bit afraid that we're putting more faith in a CM changing things than we are in Elderwoods fixing the game Not that a good CM isn't going to improve things tremendously of course!

I just like... I guess it ends up with how things are behind the scenes and if the communication pipelines in the company are improved, too. Even the best of CMs can't do much if they aren't. so crossing fingers for that at least

I desperately wanna be optimistic but my soul has gotten over all this time

[fallow saffron]

Sometimes I’m like “well maybe S6 will turn things around” and then I’m like “nahh” right after lol

[neat compass]

Yeah I definitely agree that a CM can't magically fix whatever internal issues S6 has or the issues with the game itself. But for me personally, it's a lot easier for me to be patient if it feels like we're being heard, that our concerns are actually being passed along, and that someone at S6 genuinely cares about their players being informed. However, you're absolutely right that a CM most definitely cannot fix everything else.

[fallow saffron]

I do worry that S6 will hire a CM just to say that they have one, and still not listen to feedback

[celest maple]

Yeah, pretty much the same - waiting for things to get better after Elderwoods drops other wise if it really don't then probably gonna be moving on.

[neat compass]

I'll also admit that my hope for Elderwoods coming with vast improvements is dwindling more and more every day. But I'd love to be wrong

[warm python]

Absolutely. Feeling like we're not talking to a wall helps so much. They just need to combine that with the company itself actually putting forth improvements. If they can, I think things will be a lot more cheerful, even around here LOL

First big steps is having a good CM and alongside that, showing that there's action behind S6's words of wanting to be better with communication and the like

[fallow saffron]

I’ve seen this a lot. I think a lot of people agree and are prepared to move on depending on how elderwoods goes. Or maybe after finishing the main story altogether

[warm python]

There definitely has to be more on the proof side of things, I think as funny as the whole duck thing is, it kind of really hurt their case when they immediately did what they said they weren't gonna do, whether intentionally or by accident

[mint sierra]

Re Maji Markets #💬│palia-general message (I tried to bring to naz attention here)

#💬│palia-general message
I mentioned again here & here, and many times before this.
#💬│palia-general message

[warm python]

If it was a genuine mistake they gotta be reeeeeal careful on those oopsies when they're making new promises

[neat compass]

In official messaging too! Not a discord message that could be taken out of context or anything like that. They literally said it in a dev blog 😩

[warm python]

This so hard! I've been trying to prod at them about this for so long, discord is an awful place to exclusively put that kind of thing on. I kinda hate in general that so much information of, well, anything has gravitated to being solely on discord channels, though I could rant about that for ages LOL. But for an MMO, especially so

You gotta have clear information in places accessible to everyone

[rare pine]

I always feel bad for the players who aren't in here. Especially those who don't speak english.

[neat compass]

It's also just...not hard. Post here, then copy and paste the info to all other social channels. There is no extra work aside from some basic formatting changes

[warm python]

Exactly D: and you aren't allowed to direct them to another place to get their answers. I'm sure there are other servers out there for other languages/that allow other languages

[rare pine]

I'm not saying this is what they're doing, but there is a certain... advantage to keeping some of the playerbase partially in the dark. Like, their reputation on this discord is well... you know. But they can "save face" elsewhere.

[livid lagoon]

I hate being so doom and gloom about it, but honestly, I don't think Elderwood is gonna save this game. I don't think a CM is gonna save this game. I don't think a CM is even gonna notably improve things here. Yes, we'd probably have a more active presence in here, but at the end of they day they are still chained by policies of the company and the decisions of the higher ups. No company is served with 100% transparency all the time, that would create more problems when dealing with things the average person don't understand about dev, but the track record S6 has of keeping everything a secret up until the very last moment... if that is policy, a CM isn't gonna change that. Market being an example; if S6 decides they don't want new market dates known until patch, a CM can't just go blurt out the dates they know.

[umbral lynx]

As someone who spent time translating s6s updates and posts to help guide people... Yeah it's pain. Most come here looking for help and fun fact not everyone's 2nd language will be English and instead of getting help they get dog piled...
I understand from s6s pov of why notes don't default into other languages... But without players doing the work alot of users don't know what's going on and what's a bug and what's a feature
Not trying to doom and gloom just part of a conversation

I should add I'm aware the mods don't speak every language and at no point did I say they should or be expected to

[livid lagoon]

Honestly, problem is deeper than purely communication (and hence why I don't think a CM will fix it long-term). A CM can help put out a fire when the inferno is raging. But the fires stem from elsewhere in the company. Like the duck incident; would probably have happened regardless of if we had a CM or not... a CM could help clarify, but if the powers that be say "don't mention anything about the ducks" or even tell them "let's just say it was intentional and that we meant to do it this way", then the CM is bound by that. It is still the same fire.

What needs to change in my opinion for this game and the company to truly succeed going forward is either: A change in company culture, a change in policy, or a change in management - the appropriate option(s) depending on where the root cause of the current issues lie since we don't have direct insight into why the company keeps stumbling the same way over and over in the ways they do.

[neat compass]

The only reason I think a CM would at the very least help more players feel heard and cared for is because community management is their area of expertise. I have a hard time believing that whoever is in charge at S6 has actually been facilitating what can and cannot be said or done in this server by S6 team members. I don't think they're actually aware of the communication that takes place here between devs and players at all tbh. If they were, I have a feeling those lines of communication would have been cut off entirely by now. A good CM doesn't need S6 to tell them how to do the job. A CM cannot fix this game. But they can help create a healthier environment for the community while it still exists.

[desert zephyr]

Why I cant post in trading forum pls?🥹 just read i dont understand

[opal cypress]

Here you go https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1326268508417429584 .
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[warm python]

Aaaabsolutely agreed. A CM is only a part of the solution-- It still won't help if there isn't some kind of fundamental behind the scenes change re: communication happening alongside it

Trying to properly de-escalate things instead of throwing water onto an oil fire will help the server's atmosphere a bit, but it's the symptom, not the problem at heart

[livid lagoon]

I need to word this carefully because some people may take this the wrong way and as targeting if I don't, but suffice to say, while the activity levels are limited we do have c-suite members that are active here, so there should be some understanding higher up about what goes on here... keyword: some.

But yeah, I kinda agree in that it touches what I said earlier: They can help put out fires (in ways the current contributions fail to do) because their job is to be more active here (and they are supposed to be specialized in dealing with the community)... but the fires will still happen.

I do feel bad for any CM who comes in here. The mess that has been created by S6 that they are gonna have to try and mop up and deal with is monumental. And when they become the main connection point between S6 and us that's gonna be rough.

[warm python]

Having played plenty of online games and knowing communities, there's always gonna be some level of fire going on, it's unavoidable, best you can do is try to mitigate it to the best of your ability. And that's where a good CM comes in handy. But yeah, that's only one aspect of the problem at hand

and lord I really do feel bad for whoever gets hired. They are gonna end up getting swamped cause they have a hell of a mess to try cleaning up

Playerbases will be playerbases and gamers will be gamers, you just gotta try to work with that and at the very least not put fuel onto the fire. I mean heck even in the game, they keep adding systems where I'm like "oh this is absolutely gonna make people fight aaaaand there it is".

[livid lagoon]

Oh, totally. You can never please everyone, and there will always be controversies. As you say, it is unavoidable. Even in the best of communities with the best developing companies, there will always be some friction. It's just... well... I've seen a lot of companies handling things in good ways, finding a good balance in transparency and management, even when what they need to do might not be popular. Then there is S6. Hate saying this, but I honestly feel like they have become a case study in how not to handle the community, how not to communicate, how not to deal with issues in general. I like the way you put it: throwing water onto an oil fire.

[scarlet hazel]

It's just a way to not handle having a new studio at all

[pulsar meteor]

still waiting on the KH1: Behind the Cozy docu-drama in a few years

[warm python]

someone send this discord to Jenny Nicholson /j

[pulsar meteor]

one thing that the CMs did irrespective of what they're allowed to communicate, which I think a new CM would be able to do, is to aggregate the community opinions and sentiment to bring back to the team. i got to watch (and occasionally contribute) some of the stuff GBW and Ashe pulled together to present back upwards about what the hot-button issues were, and how hot those particular fires were going. and we did see some results of how that helped steer the whole project

[neat compass]

I am also trying not to get in trouble lol but my main point was that some of the things that I have seen here are so damaging for a company's image that I cannot believe the messaging was permitted to remain visible and/or was not corrected at some point down the line. That's what leads me to believe a good CM could make bigger change than they'd normally be able to with a different game. It would mean that someone is actually paying attention. Not just for the community, but for the devs as well. We all know we're submitting feedback on the website and here, but we really don't know how much of it (if any) is truly reaching the devs. We are left to assume it's being ignored. As you mentioned, it's hard for us to know for sure without any direct insight into the company's structure (or lack thereof).

As much as I want a CM, I would also feel terrible for whoever gets the job

[pulsar meteor]

but i also agree that this wall of secrecy has done more harm than good for Palia at large

[mint sierra]

What we need is clarity for Maji market dates as per patch notes it returns in march https://palia.com/news/patch-188,#💬│palia-general message my guess is march 5th or there abouts as that will line up with login rewards date however we should not be waiting until then for date clarity not for Market events., Secondly more clarity on how stickers work, not just give us basic words and then etc as per patch notes. Please be more specific. That is info that is appreciated and players should know.
& lastly but not least, this is the first update/patch notes where we do not get a full list of store items listing/prices etc for the Spa Day Furniture line. no mention of a list as seen in other notes and no mention of Black Market Items obtainable for the set either https://palia.com/news/patch-189 @narrow narwhal

[warm python]

Mmhmm! That's a big thing, because like... Again, I'll bring up how some of the systems they keep putting in keep causing friction in-game (the latest being the RWB plush, literally just saw a reddit post about someone who got scolded for not calling one out which....lol), and I feel like if they had a proper report on what's going on in the community because of it, maybe there'd be some change

I don't usually like the "do these people even play their game" line in general but sometimes it just feels like they're woefully blind to how things are going on the groundfloor. Then someone steps in and everything goes on fire

[agile stream]

Calling it out is a bit pointless considering the small time window before it disappears.

[warm python]

Oh, absolutely

And it'll go poof if you accidentally sneeze on it

[livid lagoon]

A CM can absolutely do a lot of good (almost) regardless of company shackles; that is in the way they approach situations to avoid inflaming them and in taking feedback from the community.

Most of the communities I've been in where CMs have been present have generally been good experiences, but I do remember another community that did have a CM and a place for people to post feedback. It became a running joke that occasionally the CM said "your feedback has been noted" and that would be the last time we ever heard about that thing. So while more often than not it has been a good experience, I'm still a bit hesitant to the effect of the CM.

There's still a lot riding on whether the company wants a good connection and trust between community and company, or just lip-service, someone to say "your feedback has been noted" so they don't have to hear about it again.

[neat compass]

Yeah, I really liked the CMs we had in the past, and I think that's why it's so important to me personally. But there's no way to guarantee that a new CM would be a good one.

[livid lagoon]

I mean, even if the CM brings a lot of good feedback and does their best to "ferry" stuff between community and company, if it ends up not leading to any real change other than in words then at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I hope that's not what will happen though, I hope we do end up getting a community manager, getting one soon (though I doubt that), and getting one that genuinely tries to build/rebuild that bridge.

[neat compass]

We'd have server issues one day and Amelia would be actively chatting with people asking for details about their experience, did they crash, where did they crash, where is the lag, etc. and giving us live updates as the devs worked on it. What a time.

[fiery perch]

AmeliaMarz was so helpful. I appreciated her so much. She was wonderful.

[livid lagoon]

And that sounds great. Things happen, servers crash, bugs appear (well, to a certain degree, but that's a whole other discussion). The handling of it matters a lot though.

[fiery perch]

Man, I keep wanting to say something but brainfog hits and I forget. I think y'all have pretty much touched up on what I was going to say anyways 😂

[warm python]

I miss Amelia

[neat compass]

That's what makes all of this extra rough (for me at least). S6 was never perfect, but I've seen what they're capable of. And now we're here.

[pulsar meteor]

there was definitely a sense in the earlier test phases, and even early in open beta, that the sixers were right there with us sharing the experience. impromptu tag matches with Amelia when i ran into her in the maji market, hosting cookoffs for time-intensive recipes when the CMs didn't get much chance to just play, showing some of those devs what we built with the tools they programmed

[west marlin]

It feels like night and day difference from the communicate pre-open beta

[pulsar meteor]

it is, yeah. and i don't want to get all doom-and-gloomy, but i'm really hoping they take to heart how many of the surprises they preserve wind up being unfavorable rather than exciting (to the players at large)

[grizzled mist]

I miss the days when we had a voice in all of this, and I hope whoever is left at S6 can find a way back to that.

[signal kayak]

i just wish they had a road map, or were more open about what's to come. hints, teases, sneak peeks. if there is a new npc in elderwoods, show them. they don't need to give a name, or any other information about it, but just a picture would be enough to draw some hype talk about the new area

[livid lagoon]

Unfortunately we won't be getting a roadmap until it gets "closer to Elderwood launch" (despite us almost being in March and Elderwood is targeted for Q2).

[neat compass]

This is why I don't shut up about CMs lol. If we get one, maybe they'll ignore us anyway, maybe the devs will see our feedback that the CM passes along and just roll their eyes. Who knows? But the reality is that right now, there is not a person employed at S6 who has the responsibility to ensure feedback and communication is passed between players and devs in a productive way. Any dev who chats here with us has a different job, if not multiple. Even if S6 wanted to communicate or get feedback from us (big if, I know), it's pretty likely that no S6 employee has time. I also don't think anyone in any industry should be expected to do extra work for free, but that's a whole other thing.

[brisk spruce]

I feel doom-and-gloomy. I don't care enough anymore to speak doom-and-gloomy but I still feel it and it makes me sad

[warm python]

I'm a yapper so I yap but I really do feel the doom-and-gloom a lot... we've been at each others' sides so you know the feel akjshd

[stray sluice]

Can we please ask before jumping in on a honey stick hunt or catch or whatever you want to call it! Just ask!!! Please!

[pulsar meteor]

if you'll forgive me for waxing a bit corporate, i think really the studio needs to move back towards seeing players as invested stakeholders rather than an audience.

[warm python]

In this case, it really may not be malice or purposefully disruptive; there are a lot of reasons why you might not even appear on the person's screen to begin with (espec if they're on the switch!) and they may not be aware of player-made etiquitte of needing to ask to join a group for that

You could invite them to your party and explain!

[livid lagoon]

Honestly, it's well put. Corporate or not, it says it like it should be.
Sidenote, honest opinion: One can squeeze short term income out of most audiences, but build trust, make player base feel heard, valued, and feel as if the company at least tries to act in their interest, you create loyalty. Loyalty increases will to spend both short-term and long-term.

[grizzled mist]

Very true. Not only do we have a lot of new players, we have players that have suffered through months of malfunctioning chat. They're kind of winging it and it's not too hard to politely explain how we tend to roll.

[brisk spruce]

agree wholeheartedly because the thing is, we basically are. when you buy something in an online-only game you don't want that game to die. even if you quit, you want to be able to go back and continue with what you've already invested into your account.

[grizzled mist]

Sometimes it feels like we're the ones interested in the longevity of the game, and whoever is in charge over there is only thinking in the short term

[livid lagoon]

Should also be noted that some people run with chat off too, or talk different languages, which does make this harder. And I'll honestly say that sometimes, I as a player just want to play the game, not have to be mediator and guide.

Honey lures really is a great example of one of those things you've been talking about, with systems that are bound to create conflict. It creates an unintentional PvP atmosphere in a game that should have it. Random player rolls up, catches the rare bug you've been trying for a long time to get and spent resources building lures for, runs off.

[warm python]

Armchair devving but I think it's a big reason they pushed the game onto the Switch so fast when it obviously wasn't ready for it. They might have had prior obligations with Nintendo or their investors, I'm not sure, but it feels like it was a desperate "oh god we need a new audience to get a cash injection out of". The Epic and Steam storefront releases came out pretty quickly around that time too (and the Steam release was a bit....yeah with the whole beta issue)

Granted a lot easier to just shove the same game on diff storefronts but the Switch release? hoo boy I was shocked when I saw it announced at the game awards that night. Even the most optimistic people in this server then were like "uh....what"

[fiery perch]

Speaking from my own experience, and as someone who has spent money on this game before multiple times: There is a reason why I don't want to do that anymore (which doesnt include the fact i dont have the cash rn lol). And I feel like, that's where the focus should be sometimes. Figure out why that is the case. And I know I'm not the only one feeling like that.

And I mean, I've explained at least on my side of things why I don't want to. The accessibility concerns, the communication problems, feeling like there isn't much for me to do personally, etc. And again, I'm sure i'm not the only one. And along with the fact that I do feel like the premium store is flawed-- with only able to purchase full outfits instead of single pieces.

There's always a reason as to why someone might change their mind on that, and it's important to figure out why, and see how to remedy that. And this doesn't just go for f2p type games, but also ones that you have to purchase one-time. Or their dlcs.

[livid lagoon]

Exactly. As negative and harsh and all as I may be, I just want a good game that lasts, something this has a potential to be. And I'm sure that applies to most of us in here chatting, whether we are of the more positive and hopeful crowd, or the doomy and gloomy crew.

[grizzled mist]

I think entering into contracts with all three of those platforms resulted in conditions and deadlines that S6 just thought they could handle. Nintendo especially is notoriously demanding. I have no doubt they got in over their head and they've been struggling ever since.

[fiery perch]

And I still hope for the best, and I think this game still has a lot of potential. I still want this game to succeed. And I still want this game to be a something that people can find comfort in, and just.. vibe, to put it simply. Even though I don't play that much or at all anymore (for various reasons), I still do love and treasure this game and community. I just want things to get better, haha.

[warm python]

Yeah, the buyout was definitely proof that they were struggling to keep their heads above water, even after the Switch release. I imagine they're hoping that the PS5 and Xbox ports will give another cash injection too? honestly all things considered I don't think dev time should be spent on more ports that don't have as widely cozy-game audiences as PC and Switch, when the game's in the state it's in

[grizzled mist]

My monthly rant is a direct result of me feeling the drastic shift between how this game was managed for three years and how it's handled now. I know they can do better. I've seen them do better. The only reason I'm still here is because I still believe there's a small chance they can be better again. We get heated about this stuff because we care and we all believed in this project. I want very much to believe again.

[livid lagoon]

I'll be honest enough to say that this happened before I joined, but from what I have heard I totally understand that shock people had. It does indeed feel a lot like a desperation for new roadway for cashflow. And I fear we'll see the exact thing happen again now that they've said in investor reports they are pushing for consoles this year.

[warm python]

They're already stretched thin enough that they haven't been able to give more than the most barebones of content for months now because of Elderwood, stretching it even further with upcoming ports just feels oof

[somber crag]

This is pretty much where I'm at. As a person that's been around since the ✨ before times ✨, I've pretty much been doing this: every time they announce something new. I'm basically bracing for impact. I know that my feelings about the game are off because I haven't touched it in a long time, and I crave the feeling I had in the beginning.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, definitely. There's been some stuff here and there that has, honestly, given me some hope. The chats I've had with Vega, and how appy lately has been taking notes of what we're saying and taking back, too. My hope might be a bit minimal, but it's there.

[fiery perch]

Yes, I will say too, I crave the feeling that I used to have in the beginning! I used to be very fixated on Palia, and I was on it 24/7. To the point where friends wouldn't ask what game I was playing, but instead would ask, "How's Palia doing?". I miss that, tbh.

[grizzled mist]

The last thing we need right now is another wave of new players. Anyone jumping in now will be diving into a hot mess, and that will immediately squish an already teetering reputation for Palia. And if we get another influx of disappointed players, I feel like this game will finally drown. The powers that be might wash their hands of the whole thing, taking no accountability for causing the negative impact.

[warm python]

I crave that feeling too I remember having so much fun in 2023. Felt optimistic enough to put up with the bugs, my soul hadn't been crushed into oblivion yet /hj. I don't know how much of it is rose tinted glasses but it was a nice time

[somber crag]

I remember being upset that they didn't have a roadmap as a pre-alpha player, but understanding why... and then as time went on, I understood less and less.

I became jaded. c:

[warm python]

wow anner just gonna flex off being able to bypass slow mode I see how it is--

[grizzled mist]

I vividly remember how excited I was to pop in here every day. Every single day! This community was family and we were all working hard on this, even if most of us were doing so unofficially. It was an amazing experience and I don't feel bad at all for wanting that feeling back.

[somber crag]

I can't flex much. Let me have this.

[fiery perch]

It's def a mix of both. I understand both sides. But honestly, just revealing a little of what theyre working on would be so helpful.

Especially if it's in regards to accessibility... There's so much that I still hope for... things I-- and others-- have asked for since the beginning. Just showing progress and things theyre working on would be such a good step in the right direction.

And including everything in patch notes, and maybe at least showing the patchnotes a few days before... (preferably a week earlier, but i get it). And being secretive on some stuff, to try to gain hype ... I think that honestly makes it worse. Example: stickers

[warm python]

fern that emoji LMAO

[fiery perch]

But i also have other reasons why the stickers annoyed me, but ah well

[oak turtle]

Sorry to bust in but he loves watching the 'loading' chaapa run

[grizzled mist]

The stickers annoy me because it just feels like another diversion, except this time it's a workaround for players who have to use a console that can barely run the game, and it's partly locked behind more rng and a little bit of paywall.

[fiery perch]

Dont apologize. i love them. give him a pat from me, pls

[grizzled mist]

Never apologise for gifting us with baby pictures!

[warm python]

Never apologize for that!!

[grizzled mist]

Free baby entertainment!

[hollow crescent]

what i realized to is if you don’t know what some stickers mean and a player uses one, you’d have to stop and look at the collections to see what it says it is , something like thank you, or the other ones. there’s no text with them again (i’m not online for few days to see)

[oak turtle]

I've shared this one before but here. He loves Palis so much

[grizzled mist]

tbh even when I know what they mean I don't see why some of them exist.

[hollow crescent]

loves it so much sleeps on the esc key

[neat compass]

Tbh my cat would probably love Palia too. The PC must be nice and toasty because the moment I open the game those fans get going

[somber crag]

The stickers just feel a little out of place to me, but...

[oak turtle]

On the topic though how do you even get sticlers? They end up in my inventory sometimes and I genuinely don't know how/why lol

[grizzled mist]

When am I ever going to use "It me" or "Here's to Me"

[neat compass]

This is basically how it's supposed to work unfortunately 🤣 They randomly drop while you're doing activities

[hollow crescent]

they do, like there were emojis in chat no? now these stickers some i agree are probably helpful but many idk

[fiery perch]

i love your mouse pad/mat!!! such a good green colour!!!

[hollow crescent]

do anything in game and some are premium

[grizzled mist]

Super fun when they vanish into your storage from the overflow never to be seen again!

[hollow crescent]

their there but invisible

[oak turtle]

Lmao I find them annoying and open them just for the inventory space back

[neat compass]

😩 I heard this has been happening to some people, what a mess

[azure delta]

I find it weird they made them different rarity based on how much the character is liked by the player base

[somber crag]

The overflow function makes me itch...

[hollow crescent]

oh is that how it is

[fiery perch]

Sooo the stickers is a cute concept on the surface. But it's once you learn more about them and and then about some other stuff, ti's kinda like... hmmm.

I don't like how it was first intiially advertised for self expression. I don't like how they first made it seem like it was going to be earnable.

And now, I don't like them because they tried to do a "quick chat" but made it appear cute and childish/goofy, which i just.. am not... okay with? Because it could genuinely of been such a good accessibility thing-- quick chat i mean. I've asked/suggested it countless times (and im sure others), so the fact they did it this way is...

[somber crag]

Like just don't let me pick up anything, PLEASE.

[hollow crescent]

if we are full just don’t let us pick up

[neat compass]

Yeah I feel like they went for "two birds, one stone" in the worst possible way

[somber crag]

Y'know in games like OW or MR you have the quick chat wheel? We need that instead of stickers, tbh.

I see what you mean, though. In terms of accessibility.

[fiery perch]

That's essentially what they tried to do. It's on your emote wheel. Which again, that's fine for sticker,s like youre saying.

But the quick chat function, i feel like should of been with the chat itself. Similar, i guess, to club penguin? best comparison i can think of rn with my brainfog lol

[somber crag]

Bring BACK Club Penguin.

[grizzled mist]

Nothing quick about the wheel. I have my tools hotkeyed so I can actually switch in time to do what I need to do.

[hollow crescent]

tbh when they mentioned stickers my mind went to ow like with sprays and i was like “were tagging kilima now? eshe gonna run us outta town”

[somber crag]

That's immediately what I thought of, too!

[grizzled mist]

Half Life style! Yes please!

[neat compass]

Speaking of chat, I keep reading that chat is provided by a third party. Is that a normal thing for a game to do?

[fiery perch]

yes

[neat compass]

Thanks, I genuinely had no idea. I don't play many games with a chat feature lol

[azure delta]

Two of the Reth ones are Rare, as well as a Nai'o and Jel. Uncommon has Einar, Tau, things the community loves like dancing Ommaru and Kenli hugging the chapaa. Certain stickers that they knew would be wanted more they put into the uncommon and rare category to create a reason to grind stickers or trade for them.

[grizzled mist]

It's also common to have a separate service construct the chat filter, which leads to some hilarious results in games

[fiery perch]

Vivox is one that's used by a few game companies! S6/palia included. Some other sis like, League, Fortnite, OW. Some of that is ofc with the voice chat function, but yeah

I ended up looking into a bit after I found out that Palia/S6 uses Vivox
My audhd made me go "well i gotta know. i have to."

[fiery perch]

you know that flea market idea i suggest sometimes or talk about? with the little stalls people can build? It would of been so cute if stickers had a function there and you could put them on the stalls

[neat compass]

I've never experienced this many issues with chat in the few games I've played with the feature. So my brain sort of latched onto the third party aspect a possible reason. But nevermind, S6 doesn't get that excuse 😂

[fiery perch]

WELL... sometimes that can be on S6/Palia's side! There's been a few times where it was bc Vivox was down, though

[hollow crescent]

i started doodling that btw when i get back home in a few days i’ll post in fanart maybe 👀

[grizzled mist]

Outsourced or not, it is S6's responsibility to make sure the service they're paying for is being provided.

[fiery perch]

Everytime chat is being funky, I end up going on the status site to check Vivox to see if it's having issues lol

[umbral lynx]

Why did I open this to anner asking club penguin

[fiery perch]

because i mentioned club penguin. blame me

[hollow crescent]

and the quick chat option would be great for times when chat is down like that too

[umbral lynx]

Valid

[signal kayak]

why wouldn't we be talking about club penguin?

[fiery perch]

Please do!! And feel free to tag me!!

[neat compass]

Ooooh I'm going to do this from now on too 😂

[grizzled mist]

🐧

[fiery perch]

[azure delta]

The game could use signs or a draw box where we can write or show stickers on. Or heck, let us design some wallpaper or flooring that isn't rendered at 240p and ugly when you look at it closely

[signal kayak]

i'm just hanging out here until a certain other game comes back live

[umbral lynx]

I can see why user made content isn't in palia, since well the censor for names isn't all thst great

[grizzled mist]

I saw a reel today that claimed there's a language where the word for penguin translates to tuxedo goose, and now I think about that a lot.

[hollow crescent]

yea

[fiery perch]

True lool. I still wish I could trade/gift ppl starred fish/bugs/etc (without the request feature mechanic, bc... it has flaws). And vice versa. Because, then it'd make me wish signs were a thing, so i could credit those who helped me build my collection in the museum

similar to ACNH, where if someone donates something, it'll list the persons name.

i will forever wish i could make a proper meseum in palia. one day

[hollow crescent]

name the fish/bugs we catch (someone recommended this a while ago)

[umbral lynx]

I don't exactly hate the request system but I would like to trade some fish for some flowers ngl...
Like requests could stay as a good vibe thing no one says it needs to go but since players can not actually do some of the skills it would be hugely beneficial to the life span

[grizzled mist]

I don't hoard for my own selfish use! I hoard to selfishly dump treats on other players! The starred barrier ruins so many of my humanitarian efforts!

[fiery perch]

Yeah, the request system is nice as a concept. I don't mind it. I just wish it could be expanded upon further, esp for those (like you said) that can't do specific skills

[oak turtle]

SAME why cant i give high quality gifts??

[neat compass]

Yeah I don't mind the request system existing, but a proper trade feature would be so great. Especially because right now, for so many of us the only thing there really is to do is grind. At least then I could give people things and feel like I had some sort of purpose in this game 😂

[umbral lynx]

Or maybe get rid of the fork for fishing and make it be another item that removes a common aspect of fishing that hurts users the most

[neat compass]

Instead of like...4 carrots at a time or whatever

[grizzled mist]

Right?? Higher skilled players are in the best and most likely position to help struggling players! Let us!

[umbral lynx]

I'd reinstall of actual trading came in and not whatever primary school project we currently have

[azure delta]

They might not want to deal with the tickets of people accidentally trading their starred item instead of the normal There are ways around that issue but doubt they would want to implement a system that isn't basic coding

[fiery perch]

forever will whisper about my flea market idea

[umbral lynx]

behind zekis and such would be great location~

[grizzled mist]

I understand not wanting to put an auction house in, because people manipulate the prices in pretty much every game that has one. But let people who can't fish request Makeshift furniture! Let people who can't cook a starred trout dinner request one for the vault! Let this community do what it does best and work together!

[fiery perch]

You actually used to be able to gift starred stuff, but it was bugged & it ended up being normal quality for the person who received it. :(

[neat compass]

Yes I would love it if they gave us anything to do in Kilima so it's not barren all the time

[umbral lynx]

like even have it be like a trade board i want x items for y item incase running a AH like stall is to much
AH im staving in OH and its snowing D:<

[azure delta]

Oof... the fact they abandoned it instead of fixing it sucks

[grizzled mist]

Build a snow Tau!

[fiery perch]

Yep! This is pretty much where I have pictured it. It just would help so much with the social aspect. And I know people in general have worreid about like... ppl getting gold too quickly

So I always pictured a way to help would be, having to craft the stall yourself first. And having items at a set price (that's higher than Zeki's a little, to compensate for peoples time). It prob still wouldn't be perfect, but i feel like it'd at least help and be a good middle ground.

And the idea that you coudl customize your own stall too?? ugh

[umbral lynx]

hold up you telling me i can make snow things in oh? ey what google hiding all the good stuff

[fiery perch]

A trade board would be okay too, I think. Just people quickly putting things up for a set price, and someone could go over and buy it. Then later on, in mail (or go back tot he board) pick the gold up of the items that might of sold or got traded.

[grizzled mist]

There must be a way! Is it powdery or sticky?

[umbral lynx]

as bad as i sound for saying keeping it gold free might be more ideal, since erm ... ||gold sellers|| dont bonk me! but ive seen things

[oak turtle]

Plus I feel so damn good about myself when I send a ton of requests. Sometimes I even gather some items to send bc I'm nearby

[neat compass]

There really are so many great ideas out there to make trading work. And it doesn't even make sense to say "make trading work." MMOs have been doing it for ages, idk why S6 can't get on board lol

[fiery perch]

Yeah, and it's why I suggested above, having it at a set price (instead of someone putting like 1 stone for a lot of gold) it could help. I know there are def concerns though, but i think it could be okay.

Like i said, wouldn't be perfect, but i think it could help prevent some of it.

[neat compass]

Tbf I gave up on perfection a long time ago, I'd settle for functional

[fiery perch]

valid

[grizzled mist]

Can we also just throw a little side eye at S6 for crowbarring the sticker trading stations into the underground, where people continue to crash as they have for a good 6 weeks now, and today I had to wait 20 minutes for a free plushie trading booth because there aren't enough now?

[opal cypress]

Here you go https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1326268508417429584 .
To participate in this channel you have to agree to the Rules by reacting to [this comment](#🤝│trading message ).

Make sure to "Add to Channel List", to have it visible at all times.

[azure delta]

Another workaround for furniture trade is give us community chests where we can put extras so community members can grab them

[fiery perch]

Yeah, it's definitely.. a choice. I figured it would all be at 1 stall.

[neat compass]

I wish they'd put them in Kilima because I don't get why they keep putting every engagement activity in the underground. But maybe if they put stuff in Kilima, we'd crash there too. Oh wait-

[grizzled mist]

They really thought we were going to love this.

[fiery perch]

I guess theyw anted to make sure it was Plush <-> Plush and Sticker <-> Sticker ... but I still, idno. it's a choice.

[oak turtle]

I will say though that I think some of the anger directed towards the game is too much. It is a game. Yes people can be frustrated by how some things are run and give feedback, but I see a line being crossed and a lot of genuine unbridled rage that shocks me sometimes. The game world isn't real but the devs are real people and deserve respect.
(Not directed toward anyone in this chat/nay specific person btw!)

[fiery perch]

I get confused by this, because wasn't the underground for a while, like.. a secret? until a bit further into the story with quests? I thought it was so fun to randomly learn it existed. it was a nice surprise. it doesnt feel like that anymore

[rare pine]

I haven't been to the underground in the last 2 updates. Not that I've been able to make it there without crashing but how was there even space for anything else with the hotpot tables, arcade machines, trading booths etc???

[warm python]

I'm baffled that even trading spots are limited. I'm not sure what their system is behind the scenes that so much has to turn into line simulator

[fiery perch]

from what i saw last time i was there, they replaced 1 or 2 plush booths with sticker ones ..?

[grizzled mist]

For sure! Some people out there getting unhinged over some trivial stuff. My block list in game is pretty much just people with no sense.

[azure delta]

Yup, two booths turned into sticker only

[warm python]

[rare pine]

Is there nowhere else they can put things? I don't understand

[neat compass]

Yes!! Stumbling upon the underground was so neat, and now it's something players are encouraged to seek out for plushies before they've even met all of the NPCs

[azure delta]

Over in the trade channel, people are already crossing plushie and stickers trades which is risky. You have to trust the person doing the trade to complete the second half so I can see people getting scammed easily

[fiery perch]

Yes, this is very true. It can and def has crossed the line a few times. It's been touched upon in the community news, and has also been talked about a little bit here in the past, too!

Definitely a line, and it's always different when it's holding somebody accountable vs someone being inflammatory.

[grizzled mist]

I still have no idea why they don't make use of the open spaces in the village.

[warm python]

I don't know if it's just that they want it to be the hip and happenin' place for everything or they genuinely don't have the infrastructure in place to have it happen elsewhere

[fiery perch]

I remember finding it once and being so surprised and then i forgot how i got there 😂

[warm python]

The existence of that damn wheel happening even at the market makes me wonder if it's the latter

[oak turtle]

Haha I didn't even realize there were trading booths. I actually don't care about the stickers/plushes enough to bother, I'm more here for making pie, shootin chaapa and trying to get Siifu to like me

[warm python]

same LMAO

[grizzled mist]

There's a whole empty office in city hall. Can we move Subira in there so we all remember she exists?

[fiery perch]

The stickers are pretty eh to me (for various reasons), and I think the plushies is a good idea/cute concept. But it feels overdone and just... sooo rng filled that feels unrewarding (personally)

[rare pine]

I can't wait for the Subira glitches once they finally let her out that room lol.

[warm python]

She took one step into the underground, saw people yelling at each other over hot pot, and decided nah you know what I'm gonna just stay in my room /j

[neat compass]

This is something I still can't believe they haven't resolved, especially because it is a very simple concept that other games with trading systems have been doing right for years. Both parties should have to submit their proposed trade, both parties should have to approve that trade, and then it should be done. The fact that someone can quickly swap their offer at the end is so not okay

[fiery perch]

I know vega mentioned that they were wanting to 'release her', but it's tricky since they don't want people who haven't gone that far into the story, to know she exists (spoiler reasons) ..? or something similar. which i understand but :(

[hollow crescent]

ppl wouldn’t be able to see her even though they have her unlocked

[oak turtle]

Are you meant to get the pushes through the butterflies? Bc i haven't seen a single one and I have looked hah, I gave up (not at the level where I can make lures) and just accepted it was not going to happen

[fiery perch]

receipts with Subira from Vega: #💬│palia-discussions message

[warm python]

The new one, yeah

[oak turtle]

I did not know she existed until I looked in the memes channel recently I've had this game for over a year and a half

[rare pine]

I've been playing this game for over a year and I have only seen a RTB twice.

[hollow crescent]

yes but i think the joy of finding it gone (esp if your in discord) cuz your like “i have to find this place to trade”

[fiery perch]

yes! And it was just really fun to randomly stumble across it. but now it doesnt feel like that would happen much or at all now, since so much is getting to the underground

[grizzled mist]

She's got at least one sticker so the cat's out of the bag already

[rare pine]

Ashura was talking to me about Subira before I even unlocked her.

[hollow crescent]

make it appear for whn she arrives… better yet block out the stickers you don’t have

[oak turtle]

Most people don't realize she's a spoiler. I only know she exists because of memes and the discord LMAO I haven't unlocked her. I thought she was dead 💀💀💀

[warm python]

A lot of other MMOs I've played are able to instance NPCs so they show up if you're at a certain point/don't otherwise, so I wonder why it's not being done here and poor girl has to be locked up so long

Maybe there's a complication with pathing? who knows

[grizzled mist]

At first they were going to make her temporary, which I though was absurd given we were always going to have an influx of new players

[fiery perch]

It's apparently not easy to do, from what I understand with what vega has said. #💬│palia-discussions message

[lyric night]

they will tie being able to access elderwood to main story 100% and will have subira investigating in the area
will solve the issue of freeing subira bcs they wouldn’t need to work on a system to instance NPCs for players
(even tho that system should definitely exist) maybe they will work on such a system as well but I doubt it

[warm python]

Legit, yeah. I imagine it gets more complicated when you have those things in mind instead of just being static. still sucks but it is what it is

[oak turtle]

I've designed a game before (much smaller vr game though) and I will say it's pretty complicated to run people their own stories while also being on a public server. Not to mention the errors that can happen when progression gets effed
(I've only used unreal and unity tho)

[brisk spruce]

tbh likely only because they didnt think they'd need that to be a function the way they originally designed the system, and I doubt they expected to have an NPC locked away in a room for over a year either when the decisions were made. the system likely would need to be overhauled or redone to do that at this point

[lethal granite]

i miss tart so much :c

[grizzled mist]

I want to meet Ashura's son.

[neat compass]

I've seen the theories about Subira being in Elderwoods, which makes sense. It just may not be great since some people can't even get through all of the story quests as of now

[fiery perch]

Yep. And that's def one good thing (i mean there's others, but yeah) with Elderwood. Having Subira there and stuff.

[brisk spruce]

I hope they never introduce a NPC the way they introduced Subira again in the future. Just give them a normal schedule

[warm python]

I know the original intention was for Subira's intro quest to be temporary, then they'd free her and kinda just put in a lil thing that's like "oh yeah she's here btw" and you'd get the rewards even if you missed that time period

But the temporary turned into so-far permanent, idk if it'll change with Elderwood but

[oak turtle]

Just an FYI elderwoods and stuff is a spoiler so you may want to move the chat into that area

As someone who hasn't progressed the main story much but plays a lot

[neat compass]

Elderwoods doesn't exist yet, we're just theorizing

[fiery perch]

We actually don't know too mucha bout it yet except for what they mentioned in blog posts!

Or from random bits and tidbits that characters might of said, and that still doesn't reveal (too much), i think

[grizzled mist]

I miss the days when we used to have a total hype train leading to the reveal of new NPCs. I want more characters to meet. I want one I might actually consider dating material. Just to see what that's like.

[brisk spruce]

I think it's more likely they'll leave the system as-is instead of overhauling it. They'll probably just not introduce NPCs like that anymore (speculating)

[oak turtle]

Jina is essentially one of my ocs from years ago but purple. So obviously I wanted to see where that went lol

[grizzled mist]

They completely deleted the intro tutorial and I'm baffled! Baffled I say!

[hollow crescent]

we gotta move to the city

[oak turtle]

(The answer is not far bc I need blueberries to finish a quest for her and my farming is so low bc I hate doing it lolll)

[lethal granite]

also… yes. the amount of decision tree-ing for dialogue alone in this game (as it was largely done when s6 was a smaller studio) blows my mind. it was… let’s call it ambitious. are some main storyline quests still bugged? (like, players run into them while executing the quest)

edit: that was meant for olivia my g

[oak turtle]

I will say one of my gripes Bout the game is that I always seem under levelled in some way for quests? Like I'll get a level 2 relationship quest, and it'll require an item that I can't actualky get my hands on unless I have guild coins or smth, which is really strange to me.

[fiery perch]

I think there's some EW related comments/info/hints are hidden behind some of ||Sifuu||'s friendship quests at least..?

[lethal granite]

my b*

[neat compass]

I also don't think it truly spoils anything though. I just see it as a part of the world-building. I mean, they talk about Bahari City a lot too. Silly innocent me was like "City??? Does this look like a city to you?" Because I thought they were referring to Bahari Bay

[grizzled mist]

My confused face when suddenly never before mentioned characters come up in casual conversation as if we've discussed them before...

[fiery perch]

Which item in specific are you thinking of, if you know?

For me, it rarely felt like I was underleveled, but moreso pressured/forced to play and do everything. Like some friendship/relationship quests, wont let you progress or start, unless you reach a specific friendship with a different character. It's something that I really didn't like, esp cuz I was lead to believe I could play however I wanted.

[grizzled mist]

When and if we ever make it to Bahari City, they had better work on/test/retest it for literal years before we ever set foot in there. Because it should feel like a city. It had better knock my socks off!

[lethal granite]

oml, the number next to my char name/focus bar bugged me for AGES. i couldn’t figure out what it was! does anyone remember if it was explained? i only found out through observing conversations in the discord 😭

[hollow crescent]

i’m hoping it’s some kind of coastal city or something pretty

[oak turtle]

Specifically ||I have Jinas relationship level 2 quest atm, which requires blueberry pie (cooking level 6, and the blueberry seeds can't be gotten until guild level farming, but I manage to jsut scrounge one pack of seeds up doing a level 2 friendship quest for Nai'o and Badrauu) and also star quality Mushroom soup (you can only get the recipe through hekla and having reached jinas level 4 friendship)|| and tbh it makes no sense to me. Why.

[fiery perch]

Do you mean this? That's your overall level with all your skills combined

[signal kayak]

minus 1 right?

[lethal granite]

i know that, but that isn’t main storyline?

[grizzled mist]

There is at least one quest for both the seed and the recipe you mentioned besides the means of acquiring them you listed

[hollow crescent]

or give it to kenyatta since she works at city hall

[fiery perch]

Yes, that in specific I feel like they were moreso expecting you to have your ||friendship level higher with Nai'o and Badruu. Or even Zeki.||

||And at least with those 2 items, you could ask someone to help you make it! They would just have to start the recipe, and you'd have to do at least 1 step to get credit and the finished food.||

[lethal granite]

yee i know what it is now

bc i joined the discord

i do not recall it being explained, but i started playing over a year ago and my brain no longer houses that information.

[oak turtle]

Yeah but WHERE LMAO. The game doesn't really tell you about any other methods/some of these quests can only be kicked off through leveling friendship with a different npc... Basically I'd like some more transparency so I don't have to keep googling 'where to get mushroom soup recipe palia' lol

[oak turtle]

I tend to prefer solo play as well which might be making my life harder lol. None of this is a deal breaker for me though! I love the game! But we all have notes

[fiery perch]

Although, actually, it doesn't add up when im looking at this screenshot with the level... it all added up to 306 and not 299 ... ... And eve if I -8, if it counted all the skills once... it leaves it at 298.

But yes, I agree, it wasn't ever explained at all from what I remember.

[fiery perch]

I'm quite usually a solo player in general myself! So I get where youre coming from. At least you know it is an option if you ever needed!

[neat compass]

Yeah I'm not a fan of how much progression is tied specifically to friendship levels. It felt contrary to what S6 claimed they wanted the game to be. Play how you want, at your own pace, focus on your favorite parts, etc.

[grizzled mist]

The alternative is to just go cook with someone who has the right recipes. But I only do that when I have no other choice.

[fallow saffron]

I was waiting so long for S6 to add a Bahari City map

[hollow crescent]

informative and sarcastic, sounds like kenyatta

[lethal granite]

did they actually? or is this a joke on a plane above my brainspace?

[neat compass]

It'll be ready in 3-5 business years

[fallow saffron]

[oak turtle]

Singularity 6: we made a beautiful adventure game where you can help each other
Me: oh woe is me! No fruit to be had!!! No help for me!

[grizzled mist]

They did. I had friends who hadn't finished it yet who were ejected into the open game upon logging in, and friends who started after the tutorial was removed who have confirmed that you basically come down the mountain and get immediately sent to your housing plot now.

[brisk spruce]

so like... 8-10 real years?

[fiery perch]

Also, yes. A lot of info isn't easy to find, or figure out. Some stuff also, I feel like, isn't explained great.

I really wish there was a journal/book in game to help with this. Or like, with bugs/fish for example, shows if youve obtained it yet, where they are, the times, etc. I feel like it could help at least a little. Same with fruit/seeds.

I know some of that might end up being spoilers, but I feel like it'd be more... idk helpful/positive than anything else

[hollow crescent]

weekends don’t count

[neat compass]

also high gardening level players can't give you fruit because they're star quality and it's literally impossible for them to grow non-star quality fruit

[grizzled mist]

And again, a drastic change was made and never mentioned at all. No acknowledgement of completely deleting your onboarding tutorial seems really weird to me.

[oak turtle]

Also I can't request it bc it's not an item I've had in my inventory before hah. I feel like an orphan begging for scraps

[lethal granite]

i always read it like “we’re on the road to bahari-an city!” like the song for viridian city in pokemon

[hollow crescent]

then we take a detour in the woods

[oak turtle]

A GREAT example of this imo is the hyrule compendium in totk! Jt has sections for each type of item and numbers so you know if you haven't discovered certain ones yet without giving you spoilers on what's meant to be in that hole. Jt also tells you where to locate a type of fish, let's say, once you have found it before so you know where to look.

[lethal granite]

but then we wouldn’t get the cut scene animation of hodari breaking rocks when u first waddle into your plot…

[neat compass]

This is such a good example of how the game does not let players play how they want. That person clearly prefers to progress with characters first, other mechanics stuff second. Or maybe they just hate gardening, who knows? And it's not fair that they get set back because of that

[fiery perch]

So just... Down the mountain -> Housing plot? With no talking to other npcs?

[fiery perch]

Yeah, this could work! Things like this I feel like are very helpful

[brisk spruce]

ashura stands at the end of the waterfall bridge ready to send you to your plot now iirc

[grizzled mist]

Ashura stops you at the bottom of the hill and won't let you pass. Just just get loaded straight to housing and the Hodari cut scene.

[oak turtle]

I can't really do that because of my living situation (18 month old, have to pause and leave suddenly a lot of the time, so it wouldn't be fair on other players to invite them and then go offline)

[fiery perch]

That's.. interesting. Huh.

[neat compass]

This just made me imagine Ashura in like a defensive basketball stance shuffling from side to side to stop the player from getting past him

[hollow crescent]

i do this a lot in games tho i do let them know before hand i need to go offline right after activity and it’s usually fine

[fiery perch]

I can understand that! But I'll say that some people wouldn't mind and are more than happy to help. It's the one way that we can kind of "gift" things.

Players can start a recipe, and again, as long as you do one step, it also counts for you. And you dont have to provide the ingrdients-- some steps, someone can start the action (like... chopping something), then cancel it and you could interact with it.

like again, it's like the one thing you can kind of 'gift' lol. A very roundabout way, but...

[grizzled mist]

I found it really strange because they're trying so hard to slow us down, I figured they'd be happy people were lingering in the tutorial zone. I know people who stayed there just to answer new player questions and help them learn the game before they got thrown into the general population. I am left to assume they wanted people flying blind to further slow progression, because I can't think of any good reason to obliterate your entire tutorial.

[oak turtle]

I'm on NZT haha so basically 13 hours ahead of you, but I will say I appreciate the offer!

[fiery perch]

It's honestly really strange. And even then, it makes sense to me, to run into town to introduce yourself before you go to your plot. Like you just poofed into existence. You'd think you would wanna make sure ppl know youre not like ... a menace or something

[lethal granite]

some of it makes sense (e.g. ||having to get to max friendship with najuma before you can romance hodari||), and i personally never minded this, but it def goes against the whole “play how you want” tagline if stuff is gated behind leveling friendships :/

i also speedran friendship and romance quests at the first maji market tho 😂 maybe it’s more meaningful when you don’t have a bunch of time on your hands and can talk to a bunch of the citizens every real life hour?

[lethal granite]

what in the world

[fiery perch]

what in tarnation--

(sorry, i read what you said and randomly thought of the Hodari sticker of him in the hat called What in Tarnation for some reason, so i had to say it)

[grizzled mist]

For me it gave me a quiet place to learn my way around the village. You couldn't use anything but your base axe, but that let me get comfy with chopping and make a small small amount of gold selling wood so I had a little money in my pocket. Good thing too, because as soon as I got out of the tutorial, Ashura was like "Gimme money for a sawmill!"

[brisk spruce]

I ran around talking to everyone before going to my plot for the first time too lol I wanted all of the unmet villager icons on my map to be gone

[fiery perch]

I can understand this! I def just ran around to meet people, see who i might of meshed with, then went back to my plot to progress further to see if i'd enjoy the game

[lethal granite]

i’m so confused as to why i’ve seen people asking in gen chat where to find ashura… istg it’s happened recently

[grizzled mist]

One friend said the Maji Market was accidentally open in the tutorial for a brief time, but the NPCs and such were not available. You could just go in there and hang out.

[brisk spruce]

maybe for after they go to their plot for the first time? when they need to get the sawmill recipe?

[neat compass]

I agree that the example you gave makes sense and that doesn't bother me as much. Especially because that's all to do with NPCs. For me it gets frustrating that there aren't always alternative ways to achieve the same results for people who play different ways or prefer to focus on different things. It's silly that someone who wanted to progress with all NPCs before worrying about skills basically can't do that. They're constantly forced to level up other skills first, especially if they prefer to play solo.

[fiery perch]

It also explains a bit more why people aren't sure where specific recipes are at or who to talk to. Because I remember learning that or figuring it out because it had me talk to the villagers in Kilima

[brisk spruce]

yeah I talked to at least tish, reth, and ashura for sure before moving on to the plot so I already knew who the furniture maker, cook, and forager were from the intros

[neat compass]

and to be clear, I actually despise talking to NPCs but I know not everyone's like that 😂

[lethal granite]

i’s gonna say! he’s such an intentional on their part thirst trap i’d be SHOCKED if they cut that scene out (fwiw i totally fell for the trap and am not at all ashamed to admit it, i enjoyed his romance storyline most out of any storyline in the game. and im not someone who’s really done romancing in games!) but they use him as the reference for romance option in promo mats so often i’d be astounded if they removed that cut scene.

[neat compass]

I'm so glad everyone is confirming the tutorial thing, because I started an alt on switch shortly after plush trading was added and I could've sworn something was weird 😂

[vapid pendant]

They haven't killed you guys yet then good

[grizzled mist]

I loved the tutorial. Just a simple loop of some of the core NPCs, giving you a brief intro about their role in the village, and Ashura teaching you how to use an axe. It was simple and effective, and as painful as it was having to walk past sparkly bugs and glowing trees now and then, I felt like I was eased into Palia. It also enabled me to zero in my optimal settings and play around with all of that. So when I entered the game properly, I was ready for what came next.

[fiery perch]

i made jokes about hodari and stuff since of the dialogue options it gave you at the start. but i didnt rly care for him. but that might be because of my aro-spectrum self

[brisk spruce]

yeah I agree, I admittedly didnt even get annoyed doing it the second time on my alt. because I already knew who everyone was so I skipped straight to talk to ashura -> plot -> the rest of the tutorial. it wasnt much different than it is now once you knew the game, just a bit more running

[fiery perch]

It's why I ended up really liking Einar. Because it felt the closest to how I sometimes feel when it comes to 'relationship' stuff. Sometimes I very much just don't have that attraction, and i just want to hold hands and be besties. And I felt like that was something touched upon and represented with him.

I loved the idea of him and I are just kinda like, vibing and not undersatnding what flirting is, but loving eachothers company.

I very much would love a "BFF" option instead of a romance option

yes me too I gotta play more sdv at some point. but that requires updating my mods ... and idk if i can be bothered

[void sierra]

And that's exactly why I haven't played 😅

[lethal granite]

fr, having to find ashura gave you a lil glimpse of the world they have (had?) a whole cinematic for after you finished pinking into existence from magic light. part of what drew me into the game personally was the lore. eliminating the tutorial when you leave the… people spawner beam? feels like the cosmetics, which have gone so far away from the lore. the level 5 friendship quests for reth/tish/zeki (even though i’m not a fan of 2/3 of those chars) were fun in their own way cos they were so lore-heavy. like, dang, i really think the world they built is so cool.

[brisk spruce]

that beam spawns snails now too tyvm

well, snail plushies*

[azure delta]

||I'll always be tilted that the frame sizes differ after going through the work of romancing characters... I do chuckle that Hassian's is more Tua than him||

[grizzled mist]

We wanted to be immersed in a world. We wanted to build a home in that world. We wanted to relax. I grind skills because I have to. I grind relationships because I have to. I grind mats because I have to. Sounds a lot like work.

[lethal granite]

idr, is some of the furniture actually locked behind romancing?

[brisk spruce]

||if anyone romances hassian for any reason other than to steal Tau from him they're wrong /j||

[fiery perch]

Uhh i think behind romancing, ||it's just the portraits of the NPCs iirc?..||

I don't think there's any other furniture but that

I know there's some with friendship, but i dont think with romance at least.

[azure delta]

Just worthless renown

[grizzled mist]

I want to say there's a recipe

[neat compass]

All I know of is the ||portraits, ||which isn’t a huge deal to me but I totally get why people would want to collect them all

[azure delta]

You do gets the ||pins which unlock extra dialogue but it really doesn't add much story-wise||

[lethal granite]

that’s what i remember. tbh i don’t actually begrudge them for that — it’s lousy for folks who aren’t interested in that, but it was world-building. did i like having to talk to some of the NPCs? no. but it gave me insight to the lore. it feels like not having the original tutorial (and the seemingly random cosmetics that don’t fit in at all with it) is just… not keeping with that theme. idk maybe that’s the direction they want to go in. it’s just a fundamental shift from the game that i’d originally played. it all feels so… directionless.

[neat compass]

I just think S6 misses some alternative (and often obvious) routes they could’ve taken to make the game more conducive to different play styles. I think it was Orii who suggested a “best friend” option rather than romance, and I think that would work just fine in Palia.

[lethal granite]

that’s why i asked about furniture being behind romancing — it’d be so not inclusive of a game that claims to be to lock furniture behind it. i see ppl on here saying there’s furniture behind romance quests sometimes and am like, wai what? so im glad that hasn’t changed.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, usually people are talking about the ||portraits||. I would like them too, just for collection purposes, but it isnt that big of a deal either, to me. Not enough to make me actually want to go get it all, at least.

[lethal granite]

||portraitmon, gotta catch em aaall||

[neat compass]

I’m starting to sense a theme here 😂

[oak turtle]

anyone know where to find a spitfire cicadia??

[fiery perch]

""Spitfire Cicadas can be found attached to medium and large Sapwood trees anywhere in Bahari Bay between the hours of 3:00 AM - 6:00 PM.""

(copypasted from the wiki) And theyre quite rare, from what i remember, too

at least, they were a pain for me to find

[heady arch]

They are really hard to see, at least. Their colour is nearly the same as the orange-ish foliage of the tree :'')

[pulsar meteor]

i wonder if they did that because so many people were getting locked into (or out of) the new player experience and it basically stalled everything for them

[neat compass]

Yeah I had to use a buzzy jar for the spitfire. There was no way I was finding that by chance 😂

[heady arch]

When looking for them, they're super rare. When you just go chopping wood, they're suddenly on every second tree x-x

[normal saddle]

anyone know what the patches were?

[fiery perch]

Are you talking about what happened today? It was just a server kick. It wasn't anything in specific other than that

[grizzled mist]

I can only guess there may have been some sort of thing they couldn't fix in there and they chose to scrap it instead. iirc it happened during the layoffs, so maybe they considered it trimming the fat.

[brisk spruce]

it was patch 0.178, the steam launch one
so yes around the layoffs

they might have done it based off Switch launch feedback though tbh.

[lethal granite]

since when are they rare? /gen

[fiery perch]

They actually always have been! I did have some friends who found them more often than me, but yeah

[lethal granite]

i know that’s what we’re told, but… they’re… everywhere…

[fiery perch]

I genuinely had the hardest time finding them for my collection (both starred and unstarred)

Actually, I don't think iever found one starred?

[grizzled mist]

The buzzy jar will show you just how many are actually out there. It's more than I thought!

[lethal granite]

when my irl fren was playing with me, it was the last sq hug they needed for the achieve and i laughed so much cos it mocks me with how often it appears instead of the bugs i actually like.

(dislike for rainbow plush intensifies )

sq bug*! i give sq hugs every time

[fiery perch]

The one "rare' bug that i always saw was the Azure Stonehopper. And uhh that one dragonfly in kilima. the orange/red looking one

[grizzled mist]

Every time I corner a jewel wing lately it flies into the big tree at the end of the platform and never comes out again. 😭

[fiery perch]

oh gosh. I just know one of my friends at the time, kept finding them and i was like ... pls .. pls

[lethal granite]

those ones are deemed rare but they’re everywhere! same with the cicadas. stopped using buzzies a long time ago (in the before times when i could play) cos they just kinda confused me.

meeks luck is real tho so i can’t attest to everyone’s experience…

[grizzled mist]

Buzzy jars were broken for a while so I'm sure that didn't help at all.

[lethal granite]

were they? idr that (maybe cos i had stopped using them?)

[grizzled mist]

For a while they stopped showing the distance you were from the bug, so you had no idea how close you were, which meant a lot of the time you scared it off just looking for it.

[lethal granite]

o
never knew that! glad i didn’t rely on them

[grizzled mist]

I waited ages for a fix before I gave up using them completely. I sparked one up again this week just because and took a tour through spitfire bay 😆

[lethal granite]

they’re everywhere!

[neat compass]

Part of the issue for me is that they’re hard to see. They blend in with the trees too well. Also every time I found them, they were up in the cliffs where I’m not usually running around on a regular basis 😂

[lethal granite]

o i can see how they’d appear that way to other folks! the color does blend with the leaves

i think the biggest problem atm and will be for a while is that they’ve tied rare drops to the epic butterflies 😅 my mind is still bottled by this decision.

but it means more folks out going for rtb (which, i don’t think i even got my first one until, like, four days of nonstop actually looking for it!) but now it’s like… people using buzzy jars will be trying to scare off the cicadas in hopes of a rtb spawn cos we don’t know how the rng works (in addition to the cicada being a rare spawn in the first place)

give us fairy mantis plush instead. the fairy mantis (as much as i loathe it) and carp are so prettyyy

if they insist on making a epic bug plush

[fallow saffron]

Next is the unicorn fish plush

[signal kayak]

okay, question how do i get the off topic chat to show up on my list. i have it checked off on my channels, but it's not showing up over there

[fallow saffron]

I was going to say to select it on your channels but you did that already so I’m honestly not sure

[signal kayak]

yeah, because everything is checked off and when i turn off/on channels they show up but not off topic

i'm just waiting for nikki to figure it's life out so i can play. currently stuck at the checking resources screen

[fallow saffron]

[warm python]

I'm trying to get my ever crisis dailies done with so I can get myself on that. though actually I should probably get the new stuff downloaded now

[turbid delta]

Dang my apples look so sad 😦

[oak turtle]

wish me luck gang im tryin for some cicadia

[torn kindle]

Good luck!

[turbid delta]

Are there any other special game mechanics given with skill level like all crops are star quality with farmer at 25?

[runic eagle]

Gardening is the only one

[glossy dirge]

They should give me a ruby for every level after 225 😅

[dark moon]

That would get me to keep my focus up.. I do things with no focus, so my lvls are embarrassingly low

[pallid ferry]

Best bet for the cicada will actually be watching for a flooded fortress spawn. RB hunters won't waste their time trying to scare that one off.

[glossy dirge]

Pls use focus 😅 all the time. Haha

[dark moon]

I love being lvl 16 fishing with 400 hrs in

[broken ginkgo]

Massive problem with Palia!!!!! Pc users can run faster than switch users!!! This needs to be fixed immediately!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

Giving pc users an unfair advantage over anyone else

I’ve never wanted to stop playing Palia, and this makes me want to delete all my accounts

[torn kindle]

YES! Even when traveling between maps I’ve noticed some messages get lost

[broken ginkgo]

Okay where do I post this where people will talk to me!?!?!

HELLOO??????

Hello!?!? I thought this is where we come to talk to people about Palia?!?

[torn kindle]

You might want to reach out to

!support

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[pallid ferry]

Never noticed that my switch account runs any slower than my friends using PC. Are you sure you're using the sprint function?

[dull crow]

yeah thats cause the switch got low fps it mostly runs on 20 fps where on pc you can do what ever you pc can handl most pc player are twice as fast as switch player even without running

[sterile river]

Hopefully, it will be a bit better on Switch 2

[dull crow]

i doubt it the switch 2 got the power of a ps4 and even on pc the game isnt that optimized i think they need to optimize the consol version a lot more then the pc but most first party nintendo games except pokemon runs very good on swithc

never heard about it

[void sierra]

If palia came out on xbox, ill never play it on the switch again

[sterile river]

I have a Switch and never thought to install it there. I only play on PC.

[lilac egret]

Hello

[dull crow]

you should cause then you can link the acc and get some rewards

[hollow crescent]

and play the game while not on pc :P

[lilac egret]

I am doing some temple exploring

[hollow crescent]

nice

[dull crow]

yeah but internet is requiered to play the game and in some third wolrd countires like germany you dont got internet every where

[lilac egret]

There are locked doors not accesible yet in temple of the flames and waves

[broken ginkgo]

The temples are so interesting

I can’t wait for more human runes to come out so we can translate those too with the majiri script

[pallid ferry]

There are no more rewards for linking your account on the Switch. That was a limited time thing. The oufit that they gave out is now in the premium shop.

[lilac egret]

Did you know new hallway has opened in night sky temple?

Yes where that big purple door was

[grizzled mist]

Now I have to investigate!

[agile stream]

Is Night Sky the one with the bundles?

[lilac egret]

Yes

[hollow tree]

I’m so glad you asked because I couldn’t remember 😂

I haven’t been there in almost a year

[warm python]

oh my god those poor things...

[young plank]

Thats reminds me of that show called doctor who with that one episode of "moisturize me"

[wispy lance]

Really 👀 ??? I need to go see 😭

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