💬│palia-discussions

[midnight grail]

does it always take progressively more EXP to get to the next level in Palia or does the EXP to the next level remain the same past a certain point?

[copper warren]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Experience

after level 9, exp is capped at 5000, but this isn't necessarily absolute once elderwoods comes out, and adjustments may be made at that time

[midnight grail]

oh okay. that explains why i still see large exp gains from activities like cooking cakes

ususally in video games they have to progressively increase the EXP to the next level, but i had no idea if it was just a progressive exponential increase

[copper warren]

cooking is one of the faster EXP-per-activity yield, so yeah

and yep, you're correct. we just don't know how things are gonna change going forward, and uh. to be fair i don't think they expected their growth (as a game) to be this slow

[midnight grail]

i really don't like the low exp of hunting and bug catching though. it is frustrating to try and level those skill up and i've been behind in those a lot

[grizzled mist]

me with fishing plus terrible rng

[copper warren]

fishing stresses me out because it's really easy to waste time

[midnight grail]

i can often just listen to a podcast while fishing

at least with hunting i can chuck the meat into the glow worm farms

bugs are also just not worthwhile to catch after you get all the collection accomplishments because they aren't used much in crafting anyways and aren't particularly lucrative to sell

[copper warren]

oh i watch anime and shiny hunt while fishing, but with the highest average capacity to fail compared to all other activities and incredible disparity in EXP gains that aren't able to be controlled, nor an item like the hunting horn/ore compass/buggy jar to find high exp fish specifically (tuning fork only finds hotspots, which doesn't guarantee good EXP), you just spend a whole lot of time to do not very much

[midnight grail]

you play 2 video games at once?

[dusky burrow]

The new path came with a bug

[midnight grail]

i would not have the focus to do that

[copper warren]

bro, i shiny hunt 4 different games at one time :)

[midnight grail]

sometimes bug catching in palia feels like shiny hunting

[copper warren]

i have SWSH, SV, USUM, and GO all at once because i have problems, but hey, i get a dog that looks slightly different

[brisk spruce]

ADHD superpower

[dusky burrow]

My tools buged it doesntvappear on my hand i cant do anythign it hapend to me twice now....

[midnight grail]

it's like "ooh sparkly" but then it's just a blue butterfly

[copper warren]

double jump and activate the glider, you should get the tools working again

[midnight grail]

starred blue butterflies are basically the most common starred thing ever

[copper warren]

if it doesn't work at once, do it a couple of times and it'll work eventually

[midnight grail]

yeah i think the lastest patches caused some tool bugs

[copper warren]

every patch causes something, it's like russian roulette

i was gonna start planting flow trees on my plot today. guess what i'm not gonna be doing

https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/34217032764820-Unable-to-water-Flow-trees-on-plot

[midnight grail]

that happened to me too

so now i can't collect flow tree seeds from them

[copper warren]

when my plans to do a fun activity go astray

[midnight grail]

also is the issue of there being a constant sparkly quest indictor near the Night Sky Temple Door known about? when interacted with it says "requires blueberries"

[copper warren]

yeah it's known

it's a quest, you put blueberries there

the problem is that after the questline is done, it stays there c:

[midnight grail]

i still wish we could have an offline version of palia

how are we supposed to preserve the game and play it again after S6 drops support otherwise?

[copper warren]

there's always a way; people have private servers for console games dating all the way back to DS/PSP era

someone's currently working on getting a private Dream World server going for gen5, which has been nigh impossible for ages

all it takes is a group of people who care

(i like doing gen4 battle frontier wifi battles on occasion for ribbon master pokemon)

as a network administrator, though, i wouldn't touch palia's network architecture for anything less than a cool 6 figures up front

[midnight grail]

thing is, i am pretty sure those games were meant to run as peer to peer connections, and palia isn't like that, it requires a constant internet connection to run

because a lot is running on the servers which is why the load times to get into villager rooms is crazy long

in a modern video game it should not take 5-10 seconds to load a small room with yourself and a single npc

[copper warren]

their server codebase is really bad

they bragged about the software architecture that makes up palia in a devblog and uh. let's just say it's being held together with waterlogged ducttape and prayers

[midnight grail]

i have no idea about how any of this technical stuff works so how is it bad

[copper warren]

their services/systems programming language requires being really exact with how it's written, is incredibly expensive, and not a whole lot of people are well versed in it (so if you hire a programmer, it takes a really long time to get the RIGHT GUY, and if you lose a programmer, you're gonna be waiting a while whilst your services still need to run). its benefits are that when you get it right, it's typically great and offers a lot of protections! but it's also REALLY CONCRETE in that taking shortcuts will render it unstable, and also once you have a foundation, adjusting it on the fly for your program's needs is not easy.

[feral cloak]

Are the treasure chest for the new stamp cards actually at the market?

[copper warren]

yes!

[feral cloak]

I've already gotten all the first ones, theyve been replaced?

[copper warren]

they're all new this year\

[feral cloak]

Awesome! They've been hidden pretty good this time lol Thank you

[copper warren]

#💬│palia-general message this link goes to a map of locations, but i recommend looking for them yourself, first!

[midnight grail]

yeah perhaps they should try an offline or peer to peer thing

[copper warren]

it isn't to say that they used a bad language; i agree they used the best one for what they wanted. however it's not exactly one that's paying them back in dividends right now when palia doesn't seem to make ends meet

there's also a ton of other languages they used for other parts, and i understand their logistics and choices, but hoo boy, they're choices that can and will bite you in the butt if your project doesn't have the funding to keep backing them. palia released in a janky state and, according to many of the alpha testers, isn't much different from what it is currently.

the unanimously good choice i think they made was using open source stuff so they can host palia's services and such by themselves if needed, or switch to other services. aside from that, palia has all the hallmarks of biting off way more than you can chew before success is evident, and then fumbling the ball almost every step of the way.

[polar nebula]

Just fell through my first floor

Lol

[copper warren]

if you can use the unstuck button on the pause menu, it might get you out! if it doesn't, open your map and return to your home plot

[polar nebula]

Where is the unstuck button? I'm on switch.

[copper warren]

open chat and type "/unstuck" no quotations

[polar nebula]

Oh cool thanks I'll definitely try that next time.

[copper warren]

do your best ;v;

[small olive]

alright folks what's broken today

[copper warren]

yes

[fiery perch]

well i was at LNY and it took like a minute before any chapaas spawned during the chase.

[copper warren]

can't water flow trees, tools spontaneously won't work and requires doublejumping to open your glider so you can fix it, flashbangs are more present but seems to be isolated to the homeplot now, luna new year quest can stop progressing for no particular reason (it fixed for me by talking to reth, o' healer of broken code and supplier of soup), etc.

yanno, the usual

[fiery perch]

my fav still is, the visual where your focus bar goes longer/larger if you have a buff heh

[copper warren]

oh! but tamala's cauldron works for Another Way quest finally

[fiery perch]

Altho some people dont know this bc it's not in the patch notes

And snowballs are fixed

[copper warren]

little victories, valk.

[small olive]

After over a year they fixed snowballs lmao

[fallow saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-katrina-snail-gif-18356305168273769013

[fiery perch]

But the white screen flashbang is ... awful

[copper warren]

but only after breaking them more last patch

[small olive]

LMAO

[fiery perch]

Oh, I know

And you know, the usual of sernuks/animals randomly teleporting around
And Eshe walking in my hotpot soup and making it ✨ Bitter ✨

[copper warren]

every update it's like having to walk grandma to bed because she's going at it again

"palia, it's me, your friend!"
"i ain't got no collision and i ain't got no friends neither"

[wintry otter]

Is there any other way to get the new nameplate without winning at hotpot so many times? I’m not good at it so just curious

[copper warren]

no :c that's the unlock condition

[wintry otter]

Oh that’s stinky, wish it was like the maji market one

[copper warren]

you can try playing solo; the AI players aren't very good

[wintry otter]

Oh I never thought of that, I might give that a go. Thank you! :3

[copper warren]

no prob! you might have to ask people to let you play solo so you can learn to play better, but i have pretty alright success at getting in solo games

[midnight grail]

what is that exactly

i do think there was a time when the screen went weirdly white for no reason but idk if this was it

[fiery perch]

https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/26020223771412-White-Screen-While-Playing-Palia-0-179

There's also one where it's a random white flash for a very very fast moment during the loading screen

[midnight grail]

oh yeah this did happen to me once

[clever cove]

The game is making me crash every time I flirt with Einar and Hodaddy but not Reth and hassian so my relationships are so unbalanced right now 😭😭😭

[copper warren]

government assigned life partners

[quaint warren]

Does anyone know ANYONE who's hit the even the 20 goal of chapaa's in one chase?

[brisk spruce]

I dont know the person but someone on my server did hit 20 yesterday. next highest I saw was 18 in a different round, havent seen higher yet

[paper glacier]

i have never reach 20

[fiery perch]

I hit 20 somehow earlier today. I think i just got lucky with a few spawning ontop of me when I went to go for a diff chapaa 😭

[pliant path]

Does anyone else have issues right now with other player models turning white and just kinda. Glitching out on the screen? It likes to make all of the models glitch at once and it's really startling.

[copper warren]

yeah, but i chalk it up to network stuff and/or my lower end settings

[quaint warren]

Yea, they become like little ghosts

I've seen that happen in every area before

[fresh leaf]

20 yes… 25 no… 🤒

I gotta play whenever everyone decides to be offline 😂

I would give it a couple more days for the hype to decrease so it’s less laggy and less busy.

[vivid oar]

Are flow trees broken for everyone or just some people? Purely out of curiosity

[hard basin]

For everyone, can't water or pick up

[copper warren]

https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/34217032764820-Unable-to-water-Flow-trees-on-plot

[vivid oar]

Ah ok, someone was asking in server chat for people to come help chop their flow trees and I thought some might have dodged the bug hahaa

[copper warren]

unfortunately, not as far as i know :c

if someone's getting some black magic to work, i would like to know

[lethal rampart]

Ohh I thought it was just me. Can't chop it too

[azure delta]

So... when do we get the furniture that's in the steam screenshot previews 👀 I need those floor cushions and windows.

Truth, preserve jars are better in the screenshots yet just straight ugly in-game 😂

Oh, my bad I need sleep it seems

It's seems odd to advertise the game with items that aren't currently in the game for players yet

[hexed cloak]

Well they can't give you all at once, otherwise you won't wait for new updates and pay for new outfits /j

[acoustic vessel]

Is anyone else having or has had an issue of teleporting storage boxes. I arranged them like this and it was fine for a while and I would leave and come back a fair bit but randomly they all tped outside my plot out the front. do they not like my pretty storage? i don't understand ;-;

[hard basin]

Yes, Storage, chest and stations are picky and not playing well when be put on builder blocks.

[acoustic vessel]

That is so mean. But thanks ;-;

[hard basin]

there's a way around and that setting of your is pretty tho :D, they need to indirectly touch the ground to stay put without being yeeted. ||building glitches||

[rare pine]

The game is once again unplayable on Switch

Software was closed due to an error. Time to boot up Splatoon I guess.

[sharp hamlet]

anyone else find it incredible annoying and frustrating that you dont get put on the same server as your party when you go to the market? and then you cant sync to each other cause it says the servers are full...

[tough garnet]

My only suggestion would be to arrive much earlier (and maybe just fish while you wait) - it is definitely an inconvenience, for sure! :/ But arriving MUCH earlier does seem to work for some.

[sharp hamlet]

seems so stupid thats the only way to be with your party... especially since this has been a thing for at least the last 3 markets

[ocean island]

Hey all, anyone else can't log in all day today due to this? I am on PC.

[olive carbon]

Ask over in #💻│tech-help they should be able to assist you through some diagnostics and see if they can get you sorted

[ocean island]

Thanks friend!

[copper warren]

while servers prioritize putting you in servers where your friends are, if they/you are on a server that doesn't have any more player slots available (maji market is in the same server as the kilima map, and thus share player count of that server), the server can't put you guys together. some people have success by asking others if they could switch servers by changing to another map (like going to bahari stables and then coming back to the kilima fairgrounds) to free up spaces. servers absolutely do their best to keep you with party/friends, but they can't force people into slots that don't exist, and there's a potential for a very indefinite wait if there's servers up with less space than your group has members.

they could program it to prioritize opening up a new server after x amount of time passes and there's not enough room on any active server for your party, but i'm not that confident in palia's architecture to do that effectively when there's an unknown number of parties at any given time that could need this. it'd lead to potentially overloaded servers quickly, which leads to game instability, and i don't think they have the money to foot that kind of bill to support.

[clever cove]

As far as I know a hopper doesn’t have to do with beer, it’s an storage item placed next to a crafting item that will automatically load the next materials, like in Stardew

Unless you were being facetious and if so disregard my comment lol

[clever cove]

That happened to me 3-4 times in a row several times last night, it was so frustrating

[copper warren]

we kinda have what we need for it already in terms of assets; we have alcohol kegs all over the place

we have wheat, we have rice, we have fruit. we could absolutely get that kind of thing when we already have it implied.

one can only hope that in their new campaign to avoid unreleased stuff in their official media, they update the steam page and fix it. it could be cut content, if it's been on the steam page this long

[umbral lynx]

people still waiting for the steam page to update since march

[copper warren]

i think we will sooner see the heat death of the universe

[hexed cloak]

Back then Palia would be advertised on the front page of Steam

[fiery sphinx]

That makes sense. They let the last CM go in May so posting patch notes to Steam fell through the cracks quickly after that.

[fallow saffron]

I have never seen those before in my life

[umbral lynx]

the copper node looks like its been recorded on a plot to

[fallow saffron]

This is from Palia dot com

[thick wagon]

they also clearly had dirt pathing...you can see in the image so why dont we still have that dirt pathing?

[copper warren]

that's some 3D concept art if i've ever seen one

[umbral lynx]

the net picture is still there to
if you look at the skills lower down the page, is that a makeshift axe cutting a big tree?
why does the cooking image show clearly glitched decor?

[wispy lance]

Or that bag of apples as decor 😭

[umbral lynx]

furniture making has a bellow tool too ... ey wheres mine at

i think its called a bellow .... i forget english

[copper warren]

it is!

[umbral lynx]

go woompf thingy 😄

[broken gust]

omg the messages everyone wrote to zeki TT_TT

[fallow saffron]

After I joined a year ago I was looking for a way to unlock the dirt pathing in the promo

[copper warren]

honestly this all looks like a lot of concept staging from prototype builds that they never updated. it does happen on game websites and store pages a lot, even if it's par for the course for s6.

[umbral lynx]

the floor pillow ... i require it

[copper warren]

look at all the stuff on top of crafters

[umbral lynx]

i think i summoned a old god doing my own book XD

[wispy lance]

Well they also have rocks and bushes inside the house 🤣

[copper warren]

that's the S6 basking rock

[hexed cloak]

This pic also implies a movable shipping bin

[umbral lynx]

its been enough time to give players stuff at least from the promo images
ive seen things on art station its public you cant hide it >:c

[copper warren]

for sure, though we also don't know if it's cut content

"content"

[wispy lance]

They have it all in game. We just don't yet

[umbral lynx]

you made this we want this we like this even as background open world clutter since then it might explain why the cake icon has them >:c

side note this persons work is really nice to look at

[wispy lance]

This recolor 💜💜💜

[copper warren]

things in the data/visible in game don't necessarily mean it's supposed to be in the player's hands, sadly. :c it can mean we could eventually get it, but it's never a guarantee for any game.

[hexed cloak]

I painted the bellflower lamp in calathea, it matches my wall

[wispy lance]

Yes pi k and green not a good combo on most of the furniture 😭. Who even came up with this color choice

[broken gust]

I really wonder when we're getting new hairstyles

[hexed cloak]

We got quite a few in November's patch iirc?

[fiery perch]

The Apple Bag

[broken gust]

I honestly haven't played since september of 2023

[copper warren]

if you datamine any game, you'll very frequently find a lot of unreleased content and data to have it in the game that may eventually get removed in a future update only to be readded in another future update, or never be implemented. for example, pokemon go had data for kecleon in it for something like 7-8 years, the data was removed and readded several times, kecleon even accidentally spawned during a 2018 community day during a bug, but it only released 2 years ago.

(this is not an endorsement of datamining)

[wispy lance]

We got some recently, but I can imagine getting some "Elderwoods Hairstyles"

[hexed cloak]

Game has improved a lot since then

It might be a future thing

[broken gust]

this is the first time I've been since since then. Nothing to me in the character customization looks different to me

[broken gust]

Oh I know haha I stopped playing cuz the gales was bugged to high heaven and back

[umbral lynx]

They mixed the hairstyles in with the rest instead of smacking em at the end... They added a braid, pig tails, afro errrrrr rr I forget

[hexed cloak]

Remember that we still have like 4 patches before Elderwoods and they need to pad them out with content

[fiery perch]

They added some new hairstyles & hair colours. eh

[wispy lance]

We got like 3 female hairstyles. A long braid, and I don't remember the rest 😅😅

[umbral lynx]

OH shoulder length side part?

[broken gust]

I'm actually wearing the braid now. I love it. I'm just bored with the hairstyles hahaha

[hexed cloak]

You can tell they're new because the icon doesn't match

[broken gust]

oh I do see that hahahaha

[umbral lynx]

Sadly for how long it took to get those 4 it might take abit longer to get more... Pretty sure they will pay wall it

[broken gust]

ugh gross

[copper warren]

it bothers me too, especially since that dark green of the moon rug is actually one of my favourite green hues :c

[hexed cloak]

Bright rose, gray, electric purple and lime my beloved

[umbral lynx]

Yeah hair is one very I believe should be free unless it's high end flashy with all the sparkles and what not then sure.
And I do know people should be paid for their work but they should be paid and not rely on sales numbers too...

[broken gust]

big facts

[wispy lance]

Except... Most paid hairs are hats.... Whyy!!?? Just whyy???

[broken gust]

Like I get the flashier stuff being behind a paywall... but some of the older stuff that they released back when they first put the game out on early access should be free now since they've discounted it to the dirt.

[hexed cloak]

They're wigs

[wispy lance]

But they usually are 2 pieces. Like hair + accesorii.it should be hair + har slot 🥲

[broken gust]

maybe the other way around. lol

[hexed cloak]

Was about to ask the same

[copper warren]

multiple things can be true at once c:

[wispy lance]

I just can't stop laughing at this lol

[copper warren]

honestly i can't either, i didn't even think before it manifested on my keyboard

[hexed cloak]

They did promise new sales every Thursday
and the Zeki's loyalty club thing is coming

[fiery perch]

The 30th.
So.. this thursday

[broken gust]

I'm actually kinda stoked for the loyalty thing

[fiery perch]

Wasn't sure! Since on my calendar it looks like it's "this week". It's always difficult for me to be sure

[hexed cloak]

Only 33%, not enough to convince me

[fiery perch]

[broken gust]

OMG I was just looking through the gliders hahahhahahaa

they're like OH GOD NOT AGAIN

[fiery perch]

"I'm watching you, Wazowski... Always watching..."

[umbral lynx]

Don't forget the umbrella glider is different from the promo trailer

[fiery perch]

Is it?

[broken gust]

Out of fear and respect for the elephants, I will not be purchasing that particular glider, as cute as it is

[copper warren]

it is. i don't think the trailer one has the cockatiels

man am i bad at fishing

[copper warren]

oh, man, the whole thing is different.

[fiery perch]

For some reason i thought you meant, it glides way different than the promo trailer 🤣

But yeah, okay. that's "interesting". ...

...Is the serpent touched tool-set also still wrong?

[latent gate]

Can we agree that when a player is dancing around you following you for a minute or more pointing in the direction of a flare we idk, help them. The chat bugs out sometimes and when a player cant access chat their only options are to dance and pray or relog and lose the flow tree all together.

[umbral lynx]

Yeah tools still wrong to...
And I ain't buying it to refund to find out

[rare pine]

Didn't they just say in their dev blog they were gonna stop doing that?

[fiery perch]

I keep hoping that someone will post what those tools look like in-game after purchase. because same, i aint buying it to find out myself

[hexed cloak]

Monday is the only objectively correct week start

[rare pine]

The pattern is completely different

[umbral lynx]

tools for ref

[copper warren]

it'd be ideal, yeah. it's a bit of a grey area if the player being reacted to doesn't understand enough, though, which in that case it's not their fault. this shouldn't always be the case, however, and someone should eventually be able to help.

[rare pine]

The gold one looks less textured too

[hexed cloak]

I assume in game they will look the same as the 3D preview?
Or maybe it's lighting dependent

[umbral lynx]

i see blue gold silver

[rare pine]

Not sparkly at all

[copper warren]

could it potentially be a lighting thing? :c i don't want anyone to pay for it if it doesn't work though

[umbral lynx]

light? which doesnt happen on any other of the tools

[copper warren]

i wonder if it could also potentially change colour, and the gold is the 'base' texture

[rare pine]

Doubt it. This seems like just a regular degular set

Usually when the tools are "special" they get released two at a time

[copper warren]

until we see it in game, we don't know, though. while i don't hold my breath for super unique concepts like colour changing, it doesn't mean they can't subvert my expectations.

schrodinger's tool appearance...

[umbral lynx]

so i guess we see that in what? 2 months time?

or is it 4 months i forget what crabs said about patches being ready in advance

[copper warren]

2 months, so we should see it in 3 (if they do something about it)

[lyric night]

shortly after a patch is released the next one is locked in

[umbral lynx]

me when i see tiny typing

[fiery perch]

well, they actually update the shop in real-time, from what i can tell. Because they've taken things off the store and back up again in the past.
*While the game servers were online

So I'd assume they could update that? I think?

[umbral lynx]

and couldnt do that when tool skins crashed servers

me who crashed servers apparently you could sneak up behind people and not crash though ... we tried things ok

[fiery perch]

And keeping those available for purchase ... yep.

[livid lagoon]

I think initially we got told 2 months, then it was walked back a bit with a "it took 2 months because Nintendo was closed" making it seem like normally it's a shorter window (maybe 1 month?). Let me go back and double check though so I ain't unintentionally lying to you.

[dusky bone]

thank you!

[livid lagoon]

Ahh, here we go. 1-2 months depending, for easy stuff anyway:

It doesn't take a month to get through. I think that's referring to when I was talking about development timeline. We cut a build a month before it goes live for final testing and certification and stuff. You generally can't safely put changes into that build. So depending on where we were in a cycle, even if we wanted to make an immediate change from feedback the fastest you'd typically see it is 1 month + 1 day if we were on the last day of a release cycle or up to 2 months if we were on the first day of a release cycle. And that's if the change took literally zero development time. This is typical of all console games, unless they get special exceptions (called waivers).

Source: #💬│palia-discussions message

[umbral lynx]

lie to me im use to it (this is a joke since its a play on the idea of things being advertised to us and not getting it id rather make a funny then worry about things)

[livid lagoon]

We are all one in the lies we get fed here.

[copper warren]

gaslighting is fine but only if it's hilarious (also joking about this)

[umbral lynx]

[livid lagoon]

I was just gonna snail emote.

[umbral lynx]

i dont see it marketed that way

im on a roll guys i need to be stopped

[copper warren]

no ciri, that's a snail.

[livid lagoon]

We need to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[copper warren]

discord said i couldn't make a betta fish joke apparently (it won't send)

[ivory vessel]

why should you be stopped for speaking the truth

[livid lagoon]

S6 has had a rough patch. 🫂

[hexed cloak]

Not as rough as some of the others.
This one is actually comparatively stable

Remember how the game was down for 12 hours and after that tool skins and gliders broke

[livid lagoon]

That was a reference to things said in the past, but I probably shouldn't push on that button anymore.

I'm not trying to get banned yet.

[copper warren]

as much as i like ragging on s6, they're paid to make a product that works. an unpaid mod is still more of a civilian even if they have a role of power in here, and it's mean spirited to keep dunking on a situation that's been resolved and learned from.

an unpaid moderator's personal opinions aren't a reflection of s6

[livid lagoon]

Honestly, kinda fair, and also I said I'm not pushing that button more than I did.

But at the same time it represents a mentality (that isn't entirely uncommon in here) which is worthy of discussion and critique, in the same way as the "it's a beta" defense that tends to come from "civilian" members here too that we do rag on.

Or are we gonna say "it's a beta" is off limits too because it often comes from regular members?

[copper warren]

i've worn many hats, and being an unpaid admin of a large community discord endorsed by a major gaming company as the official community has been one of them. i totally agree with your criticism from yesterday and absolutely would have abided by that same mentality were i still in that position, but if it's done and over with and they make an effort to try and learn, it's just really cruel.

that goes for normal members, too. when you're effectively a stranger to someone, your idea of playful ribbing can be incredibly demoralizing, and i don't think we need to lose more staff - volunteer or not - because of behaviour we can all be mindful of.

it's just an observation. i've watched a lot of volunteer mods get effectively bullied hard enough to quit entire communities they had loved and cherished because it became too hostile for them to bear over a small mistake people just don't drop and turned into a recurring joke.

[livid lagoon]

As said, I'm not pushing that button further. I partially agree, partially disagree, but I also see we aren't gonna be seeing entirely eye to eye on this, hence I'll leave it at this. I'm not planning on agitating this more.

[somber crag]

.... ... I didn't mean to come in during this conversation, but something was brought to my attention that I thought I'd post a lil' reminder about...
When discussing hairstyles, let's be mindful of bald jokes + comparing any of the hairstyles to a vegetable. I think the aim was to make fun of a design, but when people do thaaat... they're effectively making fun of people's very real, and very natural hairstyle/types.

Just remember that your comments are public in a server of 300k+ people, and you can unintentionally hurt someone's feelings over a "joke".

[copper warren]

oh that's fair, I'll keep that in mind

[broken gust]

my bad

[somber crag]

All good! I know no one was making the jokes maliciously. It's just a note to stay mindful.

[grave inlet]

I've ran into a problem with the Grow It Out furniture. I received the lamp, planted it, and then IT DISAPPEARED. I checked my storage, lockbox, and my property, and it is no where to be found.

Does anyone know if these are one-time drops? Can I get them again by continuing to do party cooking? Or should I just send in a ticket?

[umbral lynx]

Make a ticket. Sadly they are a one time item send a screenshot of you achiv in the ticket so they can't reply with "well you probably haven't unlocked it yet" more information the better

[jolly idol]

Palia, man…..
I counted 4 or 5 bugs today. Same with yesterday. Then game crashes…. Same with a few days ago

Regretting spending as much as I have on this thinking they were taking feedback seriously

Oh well, back to playing other stuff

[grave inlet]

wait, archive?

[umbral lynx]

oh achive like achievement i guess i should remember more that palia calls them accomplishments

[grave inlet]

I dunno, I think they're taking feedback seriously, and are doing things as quickly and thoroughly as they can for a free-to-play game with no required subscription fees

[grave inlet]

ohhh right I forgot about that~ thanks~

[umbral lynx]

but yeah you never know support might mess up and you get 2 seeds but yeah make that ticket and get your reward back!!

[marsh depot]

I don't know what to tell you considering it took them a year to fix the snowball issue when they had plenty feedback from last Winterlights. Like, I'm glad they fixed them now but the way it was handled was not the best and hoping they genuinely improve moving forward.

[median pivot]

is jasper just,,,, ANY rock?

[warm python]

That and other than the year it took to acknowledge and fix that, they've still been silent on other accessibility issues... Amongst a lot of other issues, bugs, problems people have been sending in for over a year. More than that, since alpha, according to some people who've been around since then.

To give credit where it's due they've made some changes (being able to skip the harder parts of the latest temple was something suggested by a lot of us here and it was implemented, they finally did fix the snowball issue, they're...sorta addressing MTX issues in their own way even if I don't agree with their route, snailgate is finally getting resolved, and WC's been more communicative than we've gotten in like a year combined of communication from S6) even though it's far from perfect.

but they've been at this a long time now with a ton of very expensive mtx. more than anything, F2P is a business model, not a charity, so I don't buy that (no pun intended) as any excuse for lack of support/game not living up to expectations

[raven urchin]

lowkey need to go in a coma for a few years until this games out of beta

finished main quest line and most of the villager quests and now im lost

|| and the underwhelming end of romance arcs is killing me over and over again (i need tishs ball) ||

[copper warren]

me too, buddy

[copper warren]

in my personal opinion - which may be really heavy handed - no matter what testing state your game is in, the instant you add a premium shop in game is the instant I start treating it as a full release product. a full release product in this state would be deeply unacceptable. were they just doing a "hey we take donations and give you some perks/items as thanks" thing instead from the jump, i would have been a great deal more lenient, but I wouldn't give them that kindness even if they dropped the cash shop and transitioned to it now.

they've shown their hand, and it's pretty bad.

[hexed cloak]

Isn't this what the premium shop is, in its essence? You give them a donation and receive a shiny outfit/pet/whatever as a perk

[warm python]

tbh I agree. that and the whole wiping of the word beta from anywhere but the PC launcher window and the teeny version number, both once you've already gotten the game

I personally treat it as a full release

[warm python]

I mean at that point you may as well say I'm donating to mcdonalds by buying a big mac

which no one is logically going to say

there's a difference between, say, donating to PBS, a nonprofit, and getting a (super overpriced) tote bag, and buying a digital product from a storefront of a company trying to make a profit off of said game

[hexed cloak]

You also can't get anything for free at McDonalds.
Whereas S6 gives you basically the whole game.
And I still stand by the opinion that cosmetics are not essential to the gameplay experience.

[warm python]

Agree to disagree about the importance of cosmetics in a game such as this, really

I'm not donating to Infinity Nikki to get a pass for more diamonds, for example, I'm giving them money for that product, no matter if I've gotten practically the whole game for free and they've been raining free outfits on us

I've never heard the term donation used before to explain a purchase to a company/person/whatever trying to make a profit off of said income

[copper warren]

somewhat, yes, but donating and getting some thank you favours is still transactionally different from running a full blown shop.

like if I run a game and need extra funding in the moment but don't have time to make extra content than a few extra assets I might have on hand and can implement quickly, asking for donations and giving a couple of those things is something like sending a thank you card. it's similar to how alpha testers got some in game rewards as a thank you for the time they spent that QA testers would otherwise be paid for.

meanwhile the shop is actively in development at all times, and that development could be put towards hammering out a lot of these dents in the game and adding more meaningful, meatier content updates.

[austere ginkgo]

this ^^ I remember really wanting to play stardew when I was younger but I was locked out because it had a price tag (even though it's affordable to most)

[hexed cloak]

This has already been said countless times, but people designing the cosmetics are not the same people developing the game.
They may not even be from the same company (i.e. outsourced)

[copper warren]

I sit and remember the baby's first class warfare in some petsims like animal jam where kids would actually bully the life put of people who couldn't pay for things, as if a kid can simply manifest money from the air

[copper warren]

this is still spending resources to pay other people, resources that can be put elsewhere

[austere ginkgo]

OMG I grew up on animal jam too lol I never really seen that side of it but there's bullies everywhere (as a person who never spent money on it either)

[copper warren]

dude if you didn't have the spiked collar, those middle schoolers would be relentless

[warm python]

hoo boy the Raymond thing was wild

[austere ginkgo]

I DID have the spiked collars but it was so bait bc I couldn't even wear them I rocked the bow and arrows and wolf hat pieces though T-T OMG did you know about the secret light blue colour btw? That was all the rage

[warm python]

people really be goin nuts during lockdown LOL

[copper warren]

it absolutely is. Eric barone developed his game in a way that was meant to be self fulfilling, but also fulfilling to others who were also disillusioned by the current state of farm sims. the fact he refused to take a cent from anyone before a demo could be released, and then continued to not ask for money until 1.0 was in a state he was satisfied with and could be released as a full product speaks volumes.

yeah, people were selling Raymond on ebay for hundreds of dollars

[warm python]

which is hilarious because if you waited a bit they ended up selling him for like $5 plus a bunch of duped in game currency

[copper warren]

and also scamming people out of hundreds of dollars by never fulfilling the transfer

[copper warren]

you didn't even have to! people had replica NFC tokens of the data needed on ebay for like 10$ max, and you could get it in the form of a card that an artist made fanart for to replicate an actual amiibo card

Eric was one of the first indie devs to embrace speedrunners and add in options to run on legacy versions or have whatever customization needed for a run to be fun, instead of permanently taking away full strategies in the name of fixing bugs.

[warm python]

Oh yeah I used those replica tokens, there was a way to fake them using certain models of phones

the thing is Raymond didn't have a card though to get that data from yet

So the only way was to get him in was from someone who legitly or not-so-legitly had him in boxes

[copper warren]

oh and don't forget, when 1.0 released, Eric PERSONALLY handfixed people's save files if they had issues. you could send the player data to him in a text file and he would go through it himself and send it back fixed

[hexed cloak]

S6 could never

[copper warren]

absolutely not, and those files had tens of thousands of lines of code to go through

[warm python]

I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it at this point but allegedly there were some wild things that may or may not have happened in the trade channel

I never go there tho so I can't verify

[copper warren]

I hear rumblings here and there in game chat, but also half the time I have to correct the players because they're explaining behaviours of minmaxxers

I once spent 3 hours in bahari catching bahari crabs because I felt like it. I was catching them so fast, the entire coastline only had snails and purple crabs, and the server chugged pretty hard when I think it realized I had the complete population of its common rarity crab stored entirely in my pocket, and raced to spawn a ton in

that was a good day

it was like 6 or 7 full stacks of crabs. I was a god.

it's their way of getting me back for running through their little gatherings to watch them flee, like a flock of seagulls

it's not my fault that they're just so disturbable

do you ever feel bad for sniping the poor muujin whose AI borks and makes them remain still

theres a specific tree at the statue garden, between the ruin and the cliff, where if you cut it down and it had muujin in it, they'll just.... stay there. I chase as many bluebristles there as I can on days I have the attention span for them

like yessss... YESSSS... fish in a barrel!!

when you're facing south, directly at the ruins and the stairs up to it, to the right theres one pine tree between the cliff wall and the ruins. my theory is that their AI can't path right due to the fact the alley between the ruin and the cliff is a dead end.

on occasion they're able to detect the pine tree between the ruins and the circular dias in front of it, so I make sure to cut that down before I cut the target tree

give it a go! c: i got my bluebristle plush at that tree. it's my friend.

now I'm thinking of the god awful kind of speedruns palia would have. I have to see if theres some.

oh my god great news, they exist

[hexed cloak]

I learned to speedrun the tutorial

[copper warren]

my friend, all it takes is one very tenacious person to make a run c: one of the Nintendogs games had exactly one runner for years

aww they're all tower speedruns

[hexed cloak]

Good thing about being the only runner is that you always hold the WR

[copper warren]

theres two people who ran tower in camera mode

they have a cake party category with no runs in it, which is making 50 cakes with up to 15 players

chat, we have the potential to do something incredibly funny one day

[hexed cloak]

But a full cake party is 18 players

[copper warren]

you can make a category for anything. TOTK had a category to get to Ganon as fast as possible and build a mini restaurant around him during the final battle called restaurant%

[hexed cloak]

But then you're wasting time if you don't have 3 people on oven and 3 on spread

I assume the category was made before jam was replaced with fruit frosting?

[copper warren]

not sure in particular why 15, but its in the category rules

[copper warren]

category was made August 2023 on open beta release

I was expecting there to be bundles categories, or temple completion categories. I could be incredibly stupid right now.

I told my fiance and he just kinda laughed nervously and said "oh boy", knowing fully that I would route this if I had the energy to

TRADE OFFER:

s6 receives: artificially inflated character creation sign-ups, good for metrics (maybe)

I receive: one incredibly unhinged weekend

you never know! some of them might be easier or have skips due to it

[hexed cloak]

Bundles should be possible but that's gonna take really long

[copper warren]

onw of the longest speedruns is 338 hours long. it's baiten kaitos 100%, which runs on real-time. there's one item in game that requires 2 weeks of real time (can't change system clock, it's active playtime that the game is running) and the timer stops when menuing. there's 336 hours in 2 weeks, meaning you have 2 hours of time in menus that you need to optimize across those 2 weeks to achieve a wr, and the rest is mandatory

I had at least one bundle done in a week, so its doable. I have ran games with 24 hour runs real time attempts. they're my most beloved.

oh hey OSRS has a 771 hour run

all this to say there's totally a stupid chance for palia runs

[hexed cloak]

!doit

[opal cypress]

GREAT IDEA.

[vague dawn]

What does the little house symbol mean. Located in upper right corner.

[hexed cloak]

Do you have a pic of what you mean?

[fresh leaf]

If it’s by where your mail icon shows up it means a villager is visiting your plot

(To give you a quest, update on a quest, etc)

[hexed cloak]

Yes this is it! I didn't catch what they meant off the top of my head

[quick panther]

wish we could ride our pet for quicker movement

[icy galleon]

how i can catch 25 when spawn is 117 Chaapa and server limit is 25?

[brisk spruce]

be faster than everybody /j
you probably wont catch 25, sad and annoying as it is. it wasn't too hard when a bit over 200 would spawn (unless you had high ping) but that's definitely not enough

[brisk spruce]

uhh close but not quite. the party one was there for the summer maji market before the previous LNY one. all of the monthly ones are based off of that version

but LNY doesn't have the party achievement so that part's right

and I'm also pretty sure you're right about the achievements being the same for both LNY, should have said that

last year I managed to get the 25 chapaa one but it was when I got less than 25, it just bugged and gave it to me. not sure if that bug is still around or not

[fiery perch]

20 is the highest i got, and that was only because there was barely anybody doing chapaa chase. 😓 25 seems impossible.

[brisk spruce]

I miss when over 200 would spawn. it actually felt cooperative that way because there were so many that we couldnt catch them all

[fiery perch]

same. it somehow just feels overly competitive again.

[brisk spruce]

it was like this last LNY too btw, I know you didnt get to play then but it really wasnt any better for that one lol

[fiery perch]

well at least i can just do a lot of hotpot for envelopes. esp since i've noticed lately (while i've been playing) people are usually waiting til after the market/LNY to do the fireworks, so im like gosh bless i can actually get things

But yeah that chapaa chase is awful. I've heard other people mention it was bad like that last LNY as well, so im kinda like ... people did give feedback on that, right?? like, ... you'd think it'd be fixed or made to feel better

And there's times where it'll go a full minute til any Chapaas spawn. that's always "fun".

[near lance]

just aim do not walk to close to the chappa it'll flee from you

[icy galleon]

same i got 20 till now and 2nd and 3rd one on my server was total 20

[icy galleon]

when you get close try to jump when few meters left, then they don't move 😄

[near lance]

i'll try that but i always waiting until my target is in sight that i firing my arrow or throwing my smoke

i mean when i hunt chapaa in the wild i kilima village and bahari bay

[ivory vessel]

it's my understanding (bc i wasn't here but based on what others said) that it was fixed after the negative feedback last year, but around september iirc, when they moved the market schedule to 1w/mo, they also changed chapaa spawn to what it was initially, so... bad. which was definitely a choice. but i do think since they listened to feedback last year we could as well try to get it fixed again this year

[fiery perch]

So.. just palia being palia?

[brisk spruce]

they ruined the spawn rate again before that. it was around 100 chapaa per game last LNY too. they had made it better before that, during the first OB maji market, after bad feedback and they had upped it all the way to around 200/game

[ivory vessel]

which would be ideal. i've said before, 100 chapaa for a max of 25 ppl per server (considering everyone were to play) is a math that just doesn't math lol

[marble stratus]

Hello, I started thinking, is there a mode for sensitive players with epilepsy or so at maji market? Because there is no way to avoid the dragon firework show that happens every now and then? So is there some sort of firework mode? Or is the Maji Market just no-go then? 😮

[brisk spruce]

when it was 200 it was great, so many spawned that it was basically cooperative. tons would despawn because not enough people to grab them. the achievements were reasonable for people with high ping too

[fiery perch]

Unfortunately not.

[brisk spruce]

sorry to be a bearer of bad news, but nothing is epileptic-safe in Palia. except snowballs finally!

I have epilepsy as well so I really am sorry to say it

[fiery perch]

I'm hoping they can figure out what's causing the screen randomly going full white and fix that, too.

[ivory vessel]

!feedback it's one of the things people in #♿│accessibility-discussions have been asking for for ages, but as the others have said... not much luck. i do recommend sending feedback about it though

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[sullen lance]

Hello all! This is my opinion. one of my favorite Characters on palia is Hodari. I wouldn't mind seeing More interaction or Friends and romance Quests with him in the game.

[wispy lance]

Hodari currently has only lvl 4 friendship. But he will also get a lvl 5 like some of the other NPCs. We just have to wait for it

[sullen lance]

I'll try and be patient

[wispy lance]

We haven't gotten an update on lvl 5 quests in some time.
It is a possibility to get some before elderwoods.

#🌟│sixer-tracker message

[hollow crescent]

||if you were doing the quest with subira in there yea but not much to read||

[red comet]

Nope. No accessibility options unfortunately

[scenic mason]

Are the plushies at Zeki's wheel in Maji's Market any different from the ones in the Black Market?

[hexed cloak]

There's no plushies in the Maji wheel

[scenic mason]

I wondered why it did the yellow one and got all firework-y with no plushie in my inventory haha

[scenic mason]

Thank you!

[hexed cloak]

You can buy a snake plushie with the envelopes

[wispy lance]

Either than the snake. Check what other items aren't available in the normal Maji market and get those.

It would be a waste to use the envelopes on chapaa plushies for ex. (Unless you don't like the rest of the items I guess 😅)

[hexed cloak]

I'm gonna save tickets until I have like 100k and then spend

[modest merlin]

Is this behaving as it should?

I landed on (1) and I got 200 envelopes.

I then landed on (2) and I got 4000 envelopes.

I would think that it would be reversed...?

Sure, but I still feel like the yellow should be the 4000 tickets. Clearly that's the best one, and one yellow on the wheel.

[umbral lynx]

Depending on the support agent you get it's either working fine and your wrong. It's lagging. The colours haven't been given the correct values or oh it's known bug

[fiery perch]

I think everybody agrees with that. I just think it moved 1 spot over on the wheel. That's how it seems to me, anyways, since that 1 should definitely be "jackpot". def an issue/bug/etc.

also appreciate Kresjah who did the research & made a template like that to showcase which "color/number/slice" gives what reward.

[umbral lynx]

Me standing next to kira and kresjah screaming which one red?!

[fiery perch]

Close enough just 1 letter off

[modest merlin]

I got 1 (the 4000 envelopes first), and thought, "Wow, that's unexpected, but awesome!"

Then the very next spin it landed on 9 (yellow) for the very first time, and I got super excited to see what I was going to win, if 4000 envelopes was for the pink, the yellow much be huge!

...and then I got just 200 envelopes, and went "huh? "

[umbral lynx]

Call him Kevin with no context

[fiery perch]

Also .. as cute as this is, also very disappointing... I was hoping the Starred Version was going to look similar to the ones that are on display at Zeki's stall, so I could put them somewhat nicely in the basket, too. But alas.

[wispy lance]

The prizes don't match the colors. So the pink one that you got was the jackpot

[wispy lance]

You can put 2 fishies in a zeki basket 💜

[umbral lynx]

Alot of people are holding on to coins since the 200 jackpot triggers way to much and they are hoping for a fix
While sure the colours and such are wrong... I understand why people would wanna wait for a fix incase it changes more

[fiery perch]

but they dont look like the ones that are on display at Zeki's stall, is my point lol

I dont mind it for some of the foods, but then some im like ... pls

[wispy lance]

Yes I know 😭

[umbral lynx]

Wait are these different ones? I over looked them since I joined palia when s6 mailed out the sq versions from a bug... Oh no valk I'm not ready to be blinded again just yet

[scarlet hazel]

I hope they reverse the tickets and make them much more earnable again

[fiery perch]

Umm i dont know i just know at the zeki stall or whatever, there's multiple ones in diff colours

[umbral lynx]

Hmm I'll check the wiki and hope I can find a ss of the ones I have in game
I just don't recall the > eyes

[fiery perch]

i find it a bit unsettling that only one of them has a different expression/eye shape

maybe? i dont know. i haven't been to normal market because it was too overstimulating for me

[lyric night]

they are, yeah
but originally they were from luna market last year

[umbral lynx]

In tiny we trust™

[fiery perch]

I just know theyre disappointing (theyre still cute, just, again, wish I could display them differently)

[umbral lynx]

I smacked 2 as a offering to unlucky zeki statue

Thing still broken didn't work

[fiery perch]

knowing the takiyaki is at normal maji market now though .. if i can deal with all the flahses and particles and everything ... , at least that's more manageable.

at least now i have a better idea on what food/things i want to get multiples of now

[umbral lynx]

Me with one of everything since all my other plots have to be used for glitch building stuff

[fiery perch]

glitch building is too complicated for me, or at least seems too complicated ... and yet, i want to put my snek on/in this garden bed thing, but alas.

[umbral lynx]

I had to glitch to place a candle I was mad

It shouldn't be a means to a end kinda thing just fix decor

[fiery perch]

i think i saw you post a screenshot of that in gen. and it was one of those instances where the hitbox(es) def didn't match the item

[umbral lynx]

I still wanna avoid glitching as much fun as it is and as much as admire those who work it out... It was place able before why not now

[fiery perch]

these lanterns still being bugged/not placeable (except the floor) still bugs me too

they used to be placeable before. let me do it again

[modest merlin]

I still cannot place paltech pipes on the ground, and it's been 4 months....

[livid lagoon]

This one is making some of the things I want to do right now almost impossible. I've tried object flicking it, but I can't get it to angle the right way with that.

[icy galleon]

Does anyone have a sound problem with sound? my friend can hear when i jump, but can't hear her jumping sound or character sounds.

[wispy lance]

I do have some sound problems from time to time with wierd camera angles.
If you're on switch I think that's a switch glitch? I'm not entirely sure as I don't have a switch.

[icy galleon]

nope, my friend on pc

When she shares her screen with me from Discord, i hear her jumping but she can't 😄

[livid lagoon]

On the subject of all the broken decor at the moment, it bothers me a lot that you need glitches to be able to place this one, and that it leads to the curtains not actually being attached to the wall and just floating off it a bit.

[fiery perch]

oh. i hate that.

[livid lagoon]

Understandable. Frustrates me every time I notice it. Then again, there's so many decor things that just don't sit properly.

[umbral lynx]

You'll know, how long has it been since people couldn't complete their paltech collection? Iirc some people can't craft some of the paltech like the rest of us

[modest merlin]

Close to a year, I think.
I still don't have the wall lamp and radio.

I cannot understand why it would be so hard, or so bad to just put those two recipes for sale in the underground so those who cannot get them can finally get them.

But I've stopped trying to understand S6 a long time ago.

[wispy lance]

They were supposed to appear at the underground at zeki. But they don't.

[umbral lynx]

Yeah it's boggled me, they are able to set it to free (which while I wouldn't mind gold I get why it would upset others) so people could have access to the basic things that are meant to be available... But I'm guessing most with the issue have become numb to it and just buy it in the underground instead of being able to craft em
I think most quit (at least from whom I interacted with from those times and I don't blame em)
There's alot of questionable choices from s6 and I do hope one day they actively make a change for their players

[livid lagoon]

While I do feel like there are more critical issues at the moment that requires priority, honestly, some of these things should be easy fixes that could be done alongside the big ones. Especially the decor related ones (can no longer be placed certain places). And perhaps things like PalTech stuff being unavailable. It'd be easy wins for them to add them to the patches to make the game feel more functional at a small development cost to them.

[ivory vessel]

and it would make it feel like things are being fixed. as small as they are, we're here just praying for any wins

[west marlin]

Hey, you could have not burdened us with this information 😂

[livid lagoon]

I shall avoid telling you about the Homestead Barrel then.

[west marlin]

[gaunt hollow]

Does anyone else can't water the flow tree on their plot?

[livid lagoon]

Yes. It is a known bug at the moment. You can not water, chop, or put back into inventory any flow trees on your plot.

[gaunt hollow]

ohh i didnt know that thank you 🙂

[umbral lynx]

How is suffering treating you
(once again this is a joke since I haven't be able to do anything with flow trees for months I don't enjoy it yada yada)

[livid lagoon]

The horrors persist, but so do I. No matter where I turn to do anything at plot, it is all suffering now. And it still boggles me what has happened to your trees and why there is no help (a.k.a. functioning support) to be found for that.

[copper warren]

there was a post on the known issues board about this a while ago. alas, I am under 14 pounds of cat, or I'd get the link for you

[copper warren]

the concept of hotfixes is sadly very lost on devs, unless it's a major systems failure, and even then it's a gamble if they actually fix it (or it's a Nintendo issue where it takes forever for their teams to approve an update to push to switch, and im sure that delay also plays a part in why hotfixing doesnt happen often enough)

(ultimately it still falls on s6 for having ported to switch well before the PC version functions as intended)

I won't ever tell switch players that they shouldn't have access to the game they love, simply that the developers have failed them the most by shipping them a faulty product that would inevitably be way more faulty for their console

[umbral lynx]

Yes I know... I was making conversation

[copper warren]

oh! okay gotcha. I'm sorry for assuming- I'm always in "gotta get the link" mode here

[livid lagoon]

My short version of this: Stuff like whitescreen of death. This should have been a critical priority way back and is something that should be hotfixed asap. The broken decor? While I can see the argument for hotfixing, with needing certs I could understand pushing it to regular patch... but this could have been fixed in regular patches ages ago.

[copper warren]

oh absolutely. I sent a very passionate feedback message in then the flashbangs first started about how insanely lethal that could be, and that they needed to sort it immediately

I had a friend get a seizure playing pokemon SV because the shading flicker, these white flashes would absolutely kill her

[livid lagoon]

It is very clear that S6 don't understand the severity of issues in their game that can genuinely affect people's health.

[copper warren]

even a cursory scroll through the accessibility channel shows how out of touch they can be :c i understand as a programmer that it's a backend job and not a people facing position, but its fascinating how messages from staff in there manage to be void of even an iota of awareness

[marsh depot]

Glad to know I'm not the only one calling it "whitescreen of death"

And completely agree on all points. I hope that with the feedback given to WC they'll prioritise fixing it. The broken decor made me stop want to decorate altogether.

[livid lagoon]

Feel very much like a "we understand it makes it hard to play, but it's just a white screen"-mentality. While nowhere near as prevalent as it has become the last few patches (I didn't even know it existed until then), looking at their bulletin boards there is references to WSoD... 9 months ago was it? Flashbang from snowballs? Oops, we didn't know about this even though it was reported to us last year too. Well, it's just a visual thingy, right? We'll hotfix it for PC, but trying to push the "emergency, health hazard" button other places probably isn't necessary... we'll just gamble that no one flatlines.

[copper warren]

it's definitely one of those situations

holiday break be damned, I'm all for healthy work life balance and making sure employees get the time off when necessary, but when the snowballs were back and still as broken, at least one guy should have ran back to the office to press the kill switch on them being usable

that's just part and parcel of working a live service job

if one of my servers stopped running as intended, you bet I'd be hurrying back to make sure the clients using them don't throw their hands up and pull out of the operation. that'd be a death knell for my job if I let it be, and my head on the line

[livid lagoon]

I should hope so. At least we got confirmation that they're on it now, and the bug report I gave did contain a good lot of data on the WSoD.

What has me wondering if they've actually taken it seriously is that I decided to look into a different bug (which in hindsight probably isn't related), and in the midst of that got the actual WSoD, and collected a bunch of data. It took me looking into it a few hours one evening to seemingly be able to produce more data than S6 had. At least the impression I got is that there was useful data in there (which implies they didn't have that).

Not saying I'm a good tester or anything like that... more like "random hobbyist with limited skillset managed to do more by dedicating a single evening to looking into it than the financially backed company who have multiple employees and even has financial incentive to do it".

[copper warren]

hobbyists keep the gaming ecosystem running, though. folks like you are important for these situations.

[livid lagoon]

If I had spent weeks looking into it and only then managed to get data, fair enough. But they've been talking about how difficult it has been... I spend one evening and here we are.

[copper warren]

I will bend to the idea that they have a fraction of the team they used to be able to rely upon, and likely spread thin, but... yeah. if One Guy™️ without devtools can find more in one sitting, there's a prioritization issue

I feel like I'm close to replicating the tool stuck issue reliably while just... casually screwing around. I'm doing my usual rounds and while committing typical actions.

something seems pretty off about their update pipeline and how much testing is actually being done.

[livid lagoon]

Oh, hey, I moved this one out of the window sill so I could fit curtains, only to realize this is now one of the broken ones... joy. Guess I'll have to hope I can object flick it in there. So that one is on the list too.

[copper warren]

#🏡│decor message Kira just sent in this list to staff, too

[livid lagoon]

I know

[copper warren]

gotcha c:

[livid lagoon]

Sometimes you just gotta vent at how broken things are... that shouldn't be broken.

[copper warren]

oh for sure

some stuff you can't even just laugh off at the absurdity

[marsh depot]

It's a shame too because these and the Maji Market bloom lanterns are my favorite decor items in game. I grinded so hard in Pop a Chapaa to get them only for them to be bugged for months. I stopped decorating since (I know you can glitch them but we shouldn't need to in the first place)

[livid lagoon]

Oh yeah, we definitely shouldn't have to. And I know many have taken a break from it because of how infuriating things have become.

[scarlet hazel]

The fact they can't fix these bugs even after months makes me feel like the code is too messed up to properly dig through it

[livid lagoon]

Definitely feels like spaghetti-code, and maybe also now sitting with a codebase only the people who were laid off properly understand... or probably both. There's also some really weird decisions in there for a live service game. Like how they haven't properly implemented the ability to disable some things server-side, like when the snowball issue was at its worth. It's held together with spaghetti and flex tape.

[scarlet hazel]

It probably has to be remade from the ground up at this point. Spaghetti code for modern games doesn't work.

In the 2000s, games being spaghetti code was the norm. But palia was in development since 2019. Idk how they made spaghetti code with modern tech

[livid lagoon]

Yeah, big refactor needed.

And speculation of course, but seems likely to be a mix of trying to reinvent stuff, too much micromanagement from positions that shouldn't be meddling in that field, lack of clear directions (gameplay mechanics wise), and consequently massive scope creep.

It just feels like, instead of having a clear vision and focus, they threw it into open beta and then have just kept having new ideas along the way and tacked them on.

[scarlet hazel]

And yet they refuse to listen to the community... When they tagged it as "welcome home" and encourage feedback n stuff

[livid lagoon]

So far doesn't feel like it, but we'll see.

[copper warren]

it absolutely needs to be reworked from the bottom up. some parts of their code aren't robust at all and changes can't be made to them on the fly

I love rust, but rust is not very friendly to work with

[scarlet hazel]

The only way we will get the game to be redone from the ground up is a private server maybe. S6 just doesn't listen to its community or any kind of feedback at all.

[copper warren]

whoever would tackle that would be a very dedicated person, indeed

[scarlet hazel]

and deserve support

[marsh depot]

Considering some were previous Riot employees, it doesn't surprise me (joking though, it's annoying in both cases)

[scarlet hazel]

yeah true. stinks cause palia is a good game but unless it ends up in a no mans sky situation, im looking forward to future private servers instead

[rare pine]

No Man's Sky is kind of a rare case imo. So many bad/disappointing games just fade into the sunset.

I think the reason it eventually succeeded is because people still had faith in the project/dev. Which is also rare.

[copper warren]

unless you're star citizen and can hold out for over a decade c;

[rare pine]

No Man's Sky walked so Cyberpunk could run

[hexed cloak]

Star Citizen is such a fricking meme

[rare pine]

Seeing apologies from studios on Twitter felt like such a fever dream

[copper warren]

their shop structure alone is a good laugh. paying to unlock shops inside of shops, so you can buy increasingly more expensive stuff that isn't even implemented yet...

[sand basin]

Star Citizen selling a $50000 ship package for an unfinished game that didn't even have playable content at the time tells you everything

Star Citizen players are the type of people who invest in meme coins and lose their grandparent's life savings

For a package of ships, apparently. Single ships are only up to $3000 I believe

For a game that didn't even work or have stuff to do if it did (the two times I attempted to play it years ago)

[fiery perch]

I may or may not be backreading since i had a nap, but yes. There's quite a handful of things that are just not properly placeable anymore, and it's... not sure how to word it. I'm so sad about the maji blossom lanterns too, because i have so many of those in my storage i'd like to place eventually 😔

And I'm not too sure how it happened. Because it seems like they just lost specific 'tags' on what they can be placed on. Idk too much about coding, but I'd assume that is probably one of the easier fixes. To find the item in the line of coding, and make sure the tags are right, etc etc. They fixed it for the fish/bug plaques, so... hopefully they can get to these other items.

Reminds me a bit of how they somehow messed up the line of code for the Focus %... how 100% was actually 1%, and the other ones before that were some other decimals, iirc.

[fallow saffron]

$3,000 usd?

[near forge]

my sis in law has been having issues getting a shep with somone she is definitely level 5 relationship with any thoughts?

[hollow crescent]

will have to finish the 5 quest if haven’t done yet

[near forge]

its the blacksmith lady

she doesn't have a level 5 quest

[dusty mountain]

The blacksmith lady hahaha

I love it! You mean Sifuu?

[near forge]

yes i never can spell her name

[dusty mountain]

Is it prompting her for the "can you be my shepp?" When she tries to talk to her?

[near forge]

yes but it gives her "i don't know you well enough"

shes got max relationship and had done as many quests as it will let her

[fiery perch]

Does she have max friendship with Sifuu? Asking since you mentioned at lvl 5, and then that she doesnt have a lvl 5 quest. (I dont think Sifuu has friendship lvl 5, i think it's at lvl 4?)

[near forge]

she told me she has as max as possible with sifuu i assumed the level

[fiery perch]

And she has 100% done the lvl 4 quest, right?

[near forge]

yes she has definitely done level 4

[fiery perch]

I know I'm just repeating myself, but meant to add it onto the last question ^
If you or your friend needs to double check on that, can always look under the "Completed quests" section, and see if the quest ""Memoir Blues"" is under there. Since that's the name of the lvl 4 Sifuu quest.

If that's completed, etc, I'm not sure what would be causing the issue. Maybe someone else knows? Assuming it's not a bug

[wispy lance]

Ok so hers the rejection text from Sifuu.

||Hmmm... I think you've been doing great work ´round town, but I can't say I'm ready for that. Asking someone to be a Shepp is like asking to be family. You really gotta know someone first.||

And here's her acceptance text
||Well, look who's finally ready for their ceremony! Been looking forward to this since the day you arrived. I knew you could do it!
But picking your Shepp means being close as family. So I gotta ask: you sure you wanna join me and Hassian?||

I was trying to find some info about this. I'm not sure but your friend might need to have hassian as well at max friendship.
Haven't found anything that says so except this part where she says "ready to join me and Hassian?" @near forge

[fiery perch]

Well, during her lvl 4 quest, you have to have Hassian at friendship lvl 3 to complete it. You should only need to have the character that's the Shepp at friendship lvl 4, and to complete their lvl 4 quest

[rare pine]

It could be a new bug tbh. We're only a couple days into the patch so anything is possible.

[gentle peak]

I have never seen the servers so loaded up like this

[fiery perch]

This is true. it's why i was asking to be sure if they completed the lvl 4 quest, etc etc. in case it was missed or something else is messed up w/ it

[limpid root]

May have to give it til the next day IRL for the shepp option to come back if they just finished the level 4 quest today.

[near forge]

she has done the level 4 quest, definitely and absolutely i double checked

[rare pine]

I was able to ask Chayne right away after finishing his level 4 quest

[gentle peak]

Has anyone else been getting the weird climbing glitch after this patch? Like sometimes my character is like “yeah thats a wall” jumps off of it without being at the top or out of stamina

[limpid root]

Sometimes if you ask before level 4 and they refuse it takes a bit to come back.

[near forge]

she asked AFTER the quest

[rare pine]

!support Tell her submit a ticket.

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[brisk spruce]

yeah if you confirmed the quest is done and the npc was asked after that, that sounds like support time to me

[rare pine]

It could be a new bug. Usually it's long time players who test for/discover bugs but most of them are past the Shepp stuff.

[near forge]

mu question was mainly is this common with sifuu, or is there something you have to do specific to sifuu AFTER the quest.

[rare pine]

Afaik the Shepp thing is the same for every NPC. You get them to level 4 then ask.

[near forge]

and it kinda sucks there seems to be zero benefits or special thing specific to the person

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I understood what you were asking. I was just making sure on those things, since that is what is required for Sifuu to be someone's Shepp. Like Tempest & Kali are saying, it sounds like a ticket via support needs to be made

[near forge]

i think there should be like a discount, and or special recipe you get for each shepp to demonstrate thier expertise

[fiery perch]

What do you mean?

[wispy lance]

As a quest reward

[rare pine]

Or a questline.

[fiery perch]

i meant a discount on what or special recipe

[wispy lance]

Well depending who you choose you would get a discount ir a recipe from your shepp, that's what they meant I think.

Like with sifuu to get a discount for free repairs I guess.

[near forge]

like if you pick reth maybe a special soup recipe, or if the farmer guy a discount on seeds, maybe cheaper repairs for sifuu, something to represent thier expertise

[wispy lance]

I think the shepp wouldn't do that 🤔, but the romanced person should give a reward like that 😅

[near forge]

something not game breaking but a nice boost

[fiery perch]

Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

I get that'd be cute and kinda fun, but some of the shepp options, don't have a way that would be viable. Like Elouisa, for example. She doesn't have a shop or anything.

Again, very cute idea tho. I do wish the Shepp you chose has/had more of an impact

[scarlet hazel]

the whole shepp thing is half baked, like everything in the game is

[near forge]

Can eloisa even be a shep

[fiery perch]

I wouldn't like if the romanec would give benefits like that, because then it'd really feel like it def isn't optional on if youre romancing someone or not 😅

[scarlet hazel]

i think every adult can be. but im not bothered to get to that point

[near forge]

but the ones that don't have a shop, they coukd have a thematic benefit

like for eloisa you could have a slightly higher chance of finding random junk items

[sand basin]

Yes
https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_ship_and_vehicle_prices

TLDR screenshot for those who don't want to click the link

[fallow saffron]

Ty for sharing btw!

[umbral lynx]

Oh ace there's so many videos

[fallow saffron]

What videos? :o

[tacit bough]

I need help

The game I'm just not getting it I'm sorry if I interrupt anything

[brisk spruce]

star citizen also has exclusives locked behind account levels that you gain by spending money. thousands to tens of thousands of dollars worth of money. iirc it's just special versions of things you can also separately buy? but I dont play so not 100% sure about that

that game is absolutely bonkers

[tacit bough]

That have three quests to do and idk where to start tbh

[limpid root]

#🐣│palia-newbies is also a good place to talk to other new players as well.

[copper warren]

and can be stolen in game by design, but that's a totally other funny thing. one of my fiancé's friends stole someone's 10000$ ship during a playtest because it was docked unsupervised and wasn't put on warranty, so they got to keep it while the buyer lost it for good

[pulsar meteor]

(friendly reminder the occasional tangent about other games is okay, but if we're going deep on star citizen, might be better suited to #💬│off-topic-chat

[tacit bough]

I'm sorry I'll switch to another chat

[copper warren]

RELATED TO PALIA: i uh, proc'd the friendly fisher weekly while not being around anyone else, I guess because I had the fishing buff by passing a guy some time ago who was fishing

[limpid root]

Yeah it just checks to see if you have the buff not if anyone is actually around.

[pulsar meteor]

you're perfectly fine! Star Citizen is the different game, you can absolutely ask your questions here

[copper warren]

it makes sense, but still super goofy

I take my little asocial victories

[tacit bough]

It's okay I already have

[austere ginkgo]

What's the chances of having an extention on the Luna year with all the crashes that people are expecting from the update?

I've seen at least 1 person crashing every night I've attended

[heady arch]

Best thing you can do is report the crashes when they happen. I don't believe, however, anyone here can give you a certain answer regarding an extension.
I personally think it's very unlikely that will happen. (Edit: Horrible wording lmao)

[austere ginkgo]

Good idea actually I will start doing that

[marsh depot]

Honestly slim to none considering they didn't do the same when the Maji Market was bugging.

[signal kayak]

i would be extremely surprised if they did extend the luna new year event

[marsh depot]

I just wouldn't hold my breath on an extension. Last year they were going to "postpone" the update that came after LNY because of "technical difficulties", so the LNY was going to be "extended". But they ended up releasing the update anyways (which was also severely bugged and would've warranted postponing).

[austere ginkgo]

ahh sucks :(( thanks for the info @marsh depot

[marsh depot]

No problem! Ofc this does not mean you shouldn't report the crashes because hopefully there could be a chance they do (or they at least hotfix something). I just personally am not expecting one.

[austere ginkgo]

3 people just crashed in my server omd

[west marlin]

who deleted you @marsh depot

[fading rapids]

Has anyone struggled with glitches and software closing during quest? Specifically the end. This is the third time this has happened 😥

[broken oriole]

does progress with home tour reactions reset every week? so like the progress towards the nameplates disappear?

[heady arch]

Sadly, yes, that is the case.

[broken oriole]

ahh thats annoying haha

[signal kayak]

yeah, it's why a lot of people gave up on the house tours and just settled on the tour ticket ones when it was introduced. because unless you are actively advertising and begging for views and reactions the odds of you getting anything over the first level is not in your favor

[mint sierra]

which quest are you stuck on serena?

[clear ingot]

Is there a new trading page? I can't find it

[runic eagle]

It was redone with new rules to read and check off before you can begin
#🤝│trading message

[clear ingot]

Thank you!

[stuck oar]

Just popping in to poke everyone to go to the feedback form & request that Trading get expanded to ALL decor items

K thnx 💨

[hollow tree]

It’s been like 3-4 days of checking the Palia Party site for Focus Food parties and the only one I’ve seen is for a small 30x Chili Dumps party.
What gives? Are people posting their cooking parties somewhere else these days?

[slow sedge]

I honestly wasn't aware people were still doing cooking parties.

[hollow tree]

O_o why wouldn’t they?

[brisk spruce]

lots of people quit cooking parties way back when they nerfed them and it never quite recovered after that, possible Lucie's thinking of that?

[undone valve]

You just arn't looking at all apparently

[undone valve]

And what? People do Cake parties every day. I have a friend who plays and she literally finds cake parties 2-3 times a day.

[brisk spruce]

that changes nothing? the number of cooking parties now is literally nothing compared to before the nerf

I didn't say 0 people do cooking parties, I said it never recovered.

[hollow tree]

You missed the part in my post that said Focus Food apparently

[marsh depot]

I think it's just that a lot of players have instead decided to retreat into communities, and many communities host their own cooking parties within their servers.

Some of them host multiple parties daily, focus food, cake parties, sushi parties, etc.

[undone valve]

Just remove cake from the filter and you still get literally 6 more parties making focus food

[marsh depot]

Those are more for profit than focus tbh (except for maybe petit fives and pan fried dumplings)

[undone valve]

There are groups doing all forms of cooking parties for profit or focus every day is the point

[somber crag]

I don't know if it's intentional on anyone's part, but the advice about filtering for cake parties is coming off just a tiny bit aggressive.

Let's all be mindful of the possible tone behind the message and keep it kind, please.

[olive carbon]

Yeah. But there's less. Which was the original point. Which was valid.

[undone valve]

Nope the original point was 3-4 days of finding one which isn't true and I'm pointing that out. Just have to set the filters properly, that's all

[marsh depot]

Just read back to Anners message and mind the tone.

[brisk spruce]

did it occur to you that timezone might be a factor in this?

I would be able to do exactly 1 of the parties in that screenshot, unless it was a weekend

[hollow tree]

I’m super new to using the site so I had no idea you could do that, thanks!

[dry swift]

Hey everybody, we cool today? 😆

[scarlet hazel]

Cooking parties might still be around but they aren't as big as they were before the big nerf happened. A lot of people left when they happened due to the fact it removed the fun the community themselves had made.

[dry swift]

I remember my buddies and I also did Fish Taco parties. Like cake parties but with less steps.

[scarlet hazel]

A lot of nerfs just keep punishing any community driven thing and people keep leaving cause of that. This game is almost so anti community sometimes it baffles me

[marsh depot]

They're certainly still around, I just think they're happening more within player made communities.

[scarlet hazel]

Not everyone lives in the same time zone + some parties just never fill up enough. A lot of parties just never get enough people so they just end up canceled or staying where they are indefinitely. The cooking parties just don't have the same vibe as before the nerf tbh

Yeah. I don't bother with most cooking parties cause I hear they're a nightmare in terms of sensory overload

[dry swift]

I remember doing a couple 50x cake parties because they're not a mega-time commitment and they were alright. Think I'd just rather enjoy the passive income from gardening though. Not like gold is all that useful, especially since S6 is probably going to go the route of having separate currencies for future content.

[scarlet hazel]

Yep. I just can't understand s6's logic half the time. Idk what's going through the main people's heads

[dry swift]

Me either, but at this point I've become indifferent to what S6 is doing with Palia since I haven't played in months. I'd rather just play a game I find fun lol.

Do I want Palia to make some cool updates that would make me come back to the game? Of course!

But that's on S6 to do and they seem to be in no hurry to bring players back.

[scarlet hazel]

Same. Whatever ends up happening, happens. I'm just hoping a private server ends up happening like with Toontown and we get the palia we deserve

[feral cobalt]

Has anyone managed to actually get 25 chapaa on chapaa chase?

[dry swift]

I have, yes. Did they change it recently or something?

[tacit bough]

I need help with a quest

[dry swift]

Have you tried asking #🤝│quest-help ? Otherwise, what's up?

That's wild that they nerfed that too lol. There was literally 0 reason for that other than to reduce the amount of tickets people can get. What a silly group of devs.

[scarlet hazel]

They turned both markets into an unnecessary grind fest and it's driving everyone away instead of boosting numbers

[dry swift]

Beating a dead ormuu with a stick here, but it seems like S6 is just grasping at straws to extend the playtime for new players at this point before those new players realize how quickly the game gets boring if you're not into decor or plushies. No other reason why they would nerf perfectly reasonable things like cake parties.

[scarlet hazel]

They're so anti community it hurts at this point

[dry swift]

They tried to be so pro-everything, that they turned their game into anti-everything. Introduced starstones which were great for solo players, then nerfed them into the ground. Had cake parties and Hunting parties for plushies which were very pro-group. Then nerfed cake parties and made plushies tradeable which removed the need to hunt plushies.

[hollow tree]

I finally got it a few hours ago on an almost empty server, hit 25 at the literal last second

[marsh depot]

Worst part was how they went about it. They first claimed they would only be balancing cake parties, and ended up nerfing cooking overall.

[dry swift]

I get that. And if people still enjoy Palia than I'm genuinely happy for them. In my own personal view, Palia could do a lot of great things but S6 just isn't capitalizing on the potential of their game fast enough to keep my interest when I see better games out on the market.

For some of us, we look at our time as a valuable resource that is very limited to spend on our hobbies and S6 just doesn't seem to value my time enough to make me feel wanted in the game.

Every small update in Palia just feels like S6 is stringing its players along, giving them a tiny glimmer of hope until we get Elderwoods. I just don't see the point in hoping when I know there are other developers out there who are willing to work WITH me and take me as both an investor of the game and player seriously.

Whenever WC is in here talking, I just don't feel that same level of respect that other devs give.

You wouldn't tolerate your boss regularly ghosting you at work when they need to provide guidance on how to do your job. That's bad management.
You wouldn't tolerate your significant other regularly ghosting you on a date. That's a toxic relationship.
Why allow the people who are in charge of your hobby to ghost you and then say "Oh, it's fine. This game is just in "beta"/devs are just busy/etc."

[boreal forge]

most of the player base begged for bug fixes so we could at least just play the game after the company was sold last summer but instead we just got endless plushies and store items. s6 should be thankful to have a player base that cares so much about the game...people have told them in so many ways how to make things better. they choose not to listen. its lame, they're still doing this crap, and its just hard to be hopeful

[dry swift]

Best way to let them hear us at this point is to abstain from playing and/or just not giving them our money. That's the only way they'll ever listen.

[boreal forge]

i for sure agree. haven't logged in for months and everytime i look in here i'm disappointed to find more reasons not to log in. i want to, s6! i want to play this dang game lol

its very much a matter of principal as well at this point

[marsh depot]

Aka, more devs/studios need to take a page from ConcernedApe and do better for their communities.

[dry swift]

There are lot of indie devs out there who are humble and listen to their players. Some who even ask for suggestions and player help. This is the future of gaming.

[warm python]

I'll never forgive that across the board cooking nerf lmfao fixing an issue that needed a hammer with a nuclear bomb

Absolutely unnecessary

[dry swift]

S6: Delay Elderwoods? Say less fam! shop update, shop update, shop update

[marsh depot]

This was my first loss of trust in the game and I was really hoping they wouldn't continue down this path. But here we are...

[hollow crescent]

yea i mentioned it before but since we don’t know the exact release date, players wouldn’t know besides “early this year” could mean up to april/may (or i seen someone say q2 so maybe later)

[marsh depot]

Specially with the way they adressed it and handled it, like Ori mentioned once, it felt incredibly condescending.

[boreal forge]

einar's pebbles 😭

[dry swift]

I think S6 is really just banking on whales sticking around buying every little thing they add to the shop. We'll see how that works for them.

At this point I don't even have much faith in Elderwoods given how half-baked most of their updates have been.

Like, what will Elderwoods do? Turn Palia into the community-sim version of FF14? I doubt it. Are Elderwoods going to make S6 magically more receptive to feedback? Nah.

[boreal forge]

its also not just the bugs. is it right that there's no email verification for accounts? so they're relying on people spending irl money in an account that can easily be compromised or lost?

[hollow crescent]

yup from what i hear no email clarification, ppl can make as many accounts as they want

[marsh depot]

I'm not sure about email verification but iirc there are no backups, so there's been at least one instance of a player who had their account reset, S6 support said they couldn't do anything about it and only gave some lucky coins in compensation? Anyone feel free to correct, I'm going off based on what's already been mentioned here

[dry swift]

You know what? I think when Elderwoods comes out, even if it is the best update in the history of the game; I doubt S6 is going to be smart enough to run with it and follow-up with some other great updates. I bet they're all going to pat themselves on the back for a job well done and go dormant again for months.

[hollow crescent]

i’d also like them to find a way to reset quests they kinda did it in gales but if someone got bugged on a quest they should be to abandon it and re pick it up

[marsh depot]

Some friends and I had the hope that with the steam relese and therefore the new influx of reviews and such, they'd probably wake up and start seriously taking in the feedback. Oh to be young and foolish.

[hollow crescent]

nah i’ve seen that happen to 2 ppl

[marsh depot]

Yeah I only recalled 1 specifically, but I wouldn't doubt it's happen to more than 1, which... isn't great it happened to begin with

[hollow tree]

I may be thinking of the wrong thing here, but when you sign up you do get an email asking to verify your account.

You can def make as many as you want though, I have over 20 😅

[dry swift]

I made 5 different email accounts for the refer-a-friend program because I got sick of begging in #🎉│refer-a-friend just to get drowned out by 30 people doing the same thing.

[hollow crescent]

a ok i just seen it mentioned a few times so maybe i misunderstood

[lyric night]

you can but don't have to verify ur email

[warm python]

I know some in the community bullied some of the higher rated negative reviews into them taking them down which like, gg such a cozy place

[hollow crescent]

oh wow

[marsh depot]

I definitely did not use my 5 email accounts to do this. Iirc you could even use fake emails at some point.

[dry swift]

Doesn't that seem kinda like a red flag on its own though? Just seems like S6 knew what they were doing and knew they wanted it to be easy for people to make alt accounts to make player numbers look better than they were.

[marsh depot]

Why am I not even surprised

[hollow tree]

oh wait, you don't have to, i get what you're saying now

sorry yall im slow

[fiery perch]

i'll forever be upset by this. esp since a lot of that happened towards negative reviews that talked about accessibility, etc.

[dry swift]

By the way, I'd like to remind everyone that Palia did have outside funding but iirc was also crowdfunded.

How can you have a crowdfunded game, funded by your players, but not have a CM or communicate with your players?

[warm python]

The push back didn't do anything in the long run sadly. No accessibility changes, no running back wiping "beta" off of everywhere but the pc launcher

[hollow tree]

....i am just now realizing there are no CMs...has it always been that way?! I could swear I signed up to be a volunteer one like over a year ago...

[warm python]

Tbf Palia isn't crowd funded, I think it was solely outside funded. Not that I don't dislike everything obv but

[hollow crescent]

there were 2 when i joined the discord

[hollow tree]

wasn't one let go?

[warm python]

There were four, two left, then the last two were let go

[dry swift]

There used to be CMs but they were part of the massive layoffs that happened. WC said that they're in the hiring process for another CM but who knows when/if that will actually happen.

[hollow crescent]

i’m not sure on specifics i think one left for another job and the other let go

[boreal forge]

players: "hey the snowballs are actually causing real world consequences for people"
s6: "yeah let's run that again for another year"

[hollow tree]

wait....what?!

[hollow crescent]

for elderwoods launch

[fiery perch]

there used to be a total of ... at least 4, i want to say there used to be 6 at some point but i dont remember the previous 2 if that was the case.

But i know at least 2 out of the 4, one of them left for another job (from what the announcement sounded like), idk what happened to the other.

Then the last 2 were let go.

[dry swift]

Whoever the poor sucker is is going to have their work cut out for them.

[fiery perch]

yeah, there were snowballs causing a, closest thing to explain: flashbang type effect when it hit other entities. Whether it was other players, or something like a bug.

this was in the game for over a year. It just recently got fixed last patch.

[fiery sphinx]

Never 6. We had AmeliaMarz and Asherelle and later they hired melbelle and GingerbreadWitch.

[scarlet hazel]

I feel so bad for whoever ends up taking the CM position

[fiery perch]

Thank you idk why i keep thinking i heard there used to be 6. I do remember AmeliaMarz [miss her sm] and GingerbreadWitch

[hollow crescent]

i mean as long as they have time to prep to “face the community” instead of just being tossed in (they might have a chance)

[boreal forge]

snowballs were/have been triggering seizures and instead of taking that element out of the game they brought it back for another year, included it in twitch drops, and then just made the bot in here put up a warning about it (a warning that would not be seen by players who are not in the discord)

[scarlet hazel]

We know s6 is gonna throw them to the wolves and just say "good luck"

[fiery perch]

The warning was from the mods themselves after players were telling ppl about it in discord. Just wanting to make sure that's clarified!

[fiery sphinx]

Amelia was a great head of community and I felt that she genuinely loved this game.

[hollow crescent]

their not spartans

[limpid root]

Yeah I got a bunch of clown emoji awards on mine for talking about accessibility and other issues.

[umbral lynx]

Palia is for everyone, unless you have a disability

[dry swift]

Or, what would be funnier /s is if the CM was just a Super Mod with "emergency ban powers" and they existed to quell any and all criticism in the Discord 😄

[fiery perch]

Yeah. I remember talking with her quite a bit. She genuinely seemed like she loved the game, but not just that-- like she cared about the community as a whole. She tried to take feedback even for the discord server itself to try to make improvements.

[hollow crescent]

nooo

[scarlet hazel]

It's so funny to me that they promote the game being inclusive and all of this, yet abelism is so rampant.

And the fact they promoted snowball fights when the snowball seizure meds was still going on too

[fiery perch]

this gave me flashbacks to when I randomly got put into a mod role, and then one called "super mod" on a very old server years ago pain

[fiery perch]

I really hate that. I know there were others that were like that. And I know some people, one of them being friends, who just took down their review because of that.

[hollow crescent]

since it’s a “priority” now i do hope it gets somewhat fixed soon (if not disable snowballs for the summer until winterlights to figure it out)

[umbral lynx]

I sensed my calling
I'm very strong on making games accessible in some form for everyone. Either using mods or having basic settings within the game itself... For s6 some of the issue could be resolved via introducing new guild coin items and of course having correct basic settings (most users have their own assistance to help since it works for us this doesn't mean s6 shouldn't stop improving)

[dry swift]

Well, if you think about it if things stay the way they are and Palia goes into maintenance mode with its 1,000 loyal players; that's on them lol.

[fiery perch]

Snowballs are fixed now at least. But there's now the White Screen of Death that is needs to be fixed/prioritized.

[umbral lynx]

Now I flee may rng be kind to you all

[fiery perch]

appreciate you Diskette

[limpid root]

I'm never taking down my review. I do try and update it every patch if I have the time though.

[hollow tree]

ahhh ok that's what i figured. Wow.

As someone who is epileptic, i'm surprised i didnt notice/hear about that before now.

[fiery perch]

Appreciate you!

[dry swift]

Honestly, if it wasn't for this Discord server I probably would have forgotten Palia exists by now.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, sadly, it was only really talked about in the discord. There were no real announcements or acknowledgement on their site, or other social media. Genuinely, again, the only way players knew was from a bot message that mods created to help warn others, after other players warned people in discord.

And other players tried to tell some in-game or on steam discussions (from what i saw). idk about reddit tho, i dont look there admittedly lol

[dry swift]

I feel like players in Palia might as well be bots half the time since nobody ever talks and Bahari is usually empty now lol

[fiery perch]

I'm just glad snowballs are actually fixed now. And again, hopefully the White SCreen of death gets fixed soon now too.

And if you don't know what that is... (Warning, does show what it looks like, is bright.) But it's your entire screen sporadically going fully white, while your hud/ui is still visible. 😅
https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/26020223771412-White-Screen-While-Playing-Palia-0-179

Along with the random white flashes that can and does happen while on the loading screen. (but that one is usually a bit quick, but it's still noticeable imo.)

[dry swift]

If Palia were an actual community game, you would have cool community events like a Potluck that happens once a couple times a (real life) day in the center of Kilima village; where players donate crops/meats/spices.

Then you get a # of potluck dinners that can be starred based on the quality and # of ingredients you contributed that heals your focus to full.

S6: You want a community bored? But we already nerfed so much! We can't think of ways to make it more boring.

[hollow crescent]

ooh i didn’t know

[scarlet hazel]

S6: community? What's that? 🤔

[dry swift]

Replace community board with game and it'd still be accurate.

Also I'm pretty sure SDV players are having too much fun to even know Palia exists.

[boreal forge]

concernedape takes care of his kids 🫶

can't wait for haunted chocolatier

[scarlet hazel]

The fact that this is a team of people and concernedape is still a one man army is insane

It's very clear where s6's real priorities lie

[polar elbow]

Just wanted to point out that WC has said that fixing the white screen bug is a priority atm, at least- it's the most recent post in #🌟│sixer-tracker

and I know at least one person found ways to reproduce the bug fairly consistently and forwarded that info to WC too, so hopefully it'll see a fix soon

[fiery perch]

No idea. I don't think they even gave a "final date" or anything, either. Still advertising the chappa pillow codes, too. I just hope that if ppl are buying them now that the codes are 'new' and redeemable.

[polar elbow]

not arguing that, it's taken way too long for sure. 😔

[umbral lynx]

Still sold with code
The fine print was only after people got their card and after Dec they had to email this coffee place to get a new code

Don't judge my tabs I will deal with them

Ey

[fiery perch]

i'll never judge because my tabs usually are at the same amount

[umbral lynx]

I'm out here looking for the meaning of life

[rancid birch]

My tabs are just ":)" because it's well over 100 🤣

[limpid root]

When it's a code for a digital thing there's basically nothing stopping them from generating more. It's just however many S6 wanted to give them to give out.

[umbral lynx]

The issue was the 2024 issued were time gated, so once you got thr pillow card it did state expired Dec 31 2024 for... Some? Reason. And since back orders and travel time to the selective countries some got them abit late and were lost on what to do. Thankfully users here who messages both the coffee people and s6 found a fix yet no statement was released by either to help guide people outside the discord... I do hope they found a way

Shout out to the users who did go in game and guide people doe I saw you

[fallow saffron]

I’ve got 71 tabs open, but that’s only on one “group” of tabs on my mobile cellar device

[umbral lynx]

Shh don't tell them about groups I might be able to get away with it

[restive pivot]

Anyone know how to get the wedding decor stuff?

[umbral lynx]

You can buy it from tishes store I believe

Tishs... Tishes...trash can for unwanted furniture

[restive pivot]

Thank you :))

[dry swift]

I would be OK with a trash can to dispose of unwanted furniture or some kind of shredder to give us some of the materials back.
Heck, even the ability to have a search filter where we can type the name of the item we want from our storage would be an improvement.

It has been WAY too long since I last played lol

[austere ginkgo]

Is there a cap on envelopes from the Luna Market?

[lyric night]

should be 99,999

[austere ginkgo]

Thankss I didn’t want to experiment

[scarlet hazel]

How do you grind to 99,999 envelopes with how much of a slog it is to get them

[tribal jacinth]

palia

[dry swift]

palia

[modern rock]

palia

[scarlet hazel]

Yuck

[dry swift]

So since I imagine you haven't been playing Palia Writer, what game are you on these days?

[scarlet hazel]

Minecraft. Modded specifically.

Way more fun and I can actually take my time with stuff n all. And make or use cheats when I wanna build quicker n all

[dry swift]

Nice! I used to love playing Minecraft.

Terraria was always up there too.

[scarlet hazel]

I tried terraria but I couldn't really get into it

[dry swift]

Lately it's just always Oldschool Runescape for me lol. Game takes up enough time by itself.

[half pendant]

tried both albion online and wurm online. i dislike the both of them, so now i'm trying guild wars 2 when it decides to finish downloading.

i'm very legitimately looking for a game that has a skilling system similar to palia but also has an auction house. i want to make stuff and sell it.

[graceful moon]

animal crossing? though i have not played it so i dont know if it has an auction house

[dry swift]

I think Albion's definitely more for the dangerous PvP crowd but I like their player-owned island system.
Never tried Wurm online but heard good things.
Played GW1 back in the day and even tried GW2 for a few years, but I think I didn't like how Anet balances classes and also how group content like raids/WvW/tagging up as a commander felt more like a job if you wanted a serious group.

[scarlet hazel]

Wow is sorta like it but more chill imo. Plus you can fly n stuff so it's even easier.

I like palia Skilling but I hate the way the game is run even more that it's destroying what enjoyment I'm getting

[graceful moon]

although stardew valley is similar but without auction house

[tacit bough]

How do I figure how this quest

[half pendant]

i am not going back to hypixel skyblock or wynncraft.

[dry swift]

What quest?

[scarlet hazel]

Jajdjhf I love those but the grinding is horrific

[graceful moon]

no idea whats that. i guess genshin is kinda similar but honestly i hate it now. so i wouldnt reccomend that one

[dry swift]

Satisfactory is a very good game as well if you're into building and automation but might not necessarily care for combat. There's a little combat but not enough to be a core part of the game.

[graceful moon]

but doesnt it get boring over time? that one seems interesting to me but im not sure if i will get it

[dry swift]

I feel like all games get boring when you've played them long enough and have found out the core gameplay loop.

What makes games fun for me is setting big goals and chipping away at them one day at a time.

[graceful moon]

one beige flag about me is that i try to do it all as quickly as i can which makes me burnt out

[dry swift]

Maybe a game with speedrunning would be more for you then

[half pendant]

me, starting up star technology, realizing it has gregtech and create in it, then having to slowly chip at things:

also, pseudoregalia or ultrakill would probably be up your alley.

[graceful moon]

no the thing is i get too excited, but with infinity nikki i have less that feeling. though with genshin impact the burnout was big.

[dry swift]

You know, the last game I got REALLY excited for was Once Human. Got addicted to it for 2 months. Loved the building, the Pokemon-esque capturing of familiars. The gunplay and dungeons.

[copper warren]

someone say... speedrunning? c:
(my dumb self started routing palia bundles and temple ILs for kicks)

[warm python]

Nikki's been a lot of fun for me, I've been loving all the cosmetic gifts and being able to earn/craft things I don't mind tossing them a few bucks for extra stuff because of that

[half pendant]

i got recommended once human, and it has a skill tree, not a skill levelling system, hence why i don't like it.

[hexed cloak]

What do you do in Nikki besides completing the story? /gen

[dry swift]

Once human has its charm. I think the temporary seasons and the extremely expensive loot crates turned me off from it. Still a great game in a sea of mediocre games though.

[graceful moon]

einar hates me :( anyways i really want to try out once human but i already got stuck in early game with an issue and besides that they also have an ai art channel in their discord and in game photos some of them so im not sure... if i still want to try it out.

[graceful moon]

i really love nikki too! i used to play the 2D version but i like making the outfits and im happy they came out with an open world cause i was hoping it would in the future.

[dry swift]

For most of us who grew up with games, I feel like our dopamine receptors are burnt out so it's pretty rare we hit that same euphoric feeling we got when we were kids coming home from school to play our favorite games lol

[copper warren]

that, and we've also grown disillusioned over time due to quality issues

[dry swift]

I think many of us have also developed, other, probably healthier coping mechanisms that give us that dopamine as well.

[graceful moon]

yeah i absolutely loved arcane the series but you will never catch me playing league of legends

[dry swift]

When you're an adult with responsibilities you kinda have to to hit that work-life balance.

[copper warren]

when you have increasingly more limited time to do the things you love, it becomes a challenge to not only find a game within your budget you can enjoy, but also one that respects your time

[warm python]

Work on sidequests, craft new clothing, do new events that come out frequently that have a ton of content, work to level up existing clothing and get as many points as you can in Mira Crown

[dry swift]

I feel lucky that Runescape still does that for me. It might be an outdated potato of a game but I'll never not love it.

[hexed cloak]

I didn't have a device for games growing up. A whole gang of us went to some friend who owned a 386 PC or a bootleg NES and we played there

[tacit bough]

It's the ruin one

[hexed cloak]

So basically 90% of gameplay is quests?

[dry swift]

My first console was a PS1, then I got my brother's hand-me-down Sega Dreamcast. Still have the Dreamcast and it + the games for it still work.

[graceful moon]

no not necessarily. the game is more so about collecting clothing, crafting them, making outfits and winning outfit competitions.

[copper warren]

and by respects your time, i mean even small things like how RNG functions can impact that. if a game has things people like but it's hidden behind several percentages (looking at you, rubies) while there's not much else to gain from that activity otherwise (looking at you, bug plushies), it can really quickly hurt a person's temporal bottom line.

[graceful moon]

but due to this one being open world its also about exploring, and collecting items to craft those clothing so some stuff is locked behind missions but the game isnt only about missions.

[dry swift]

Haha... yeah... RNG ruining experiences. Imagine that. looks at OSRS raids megarare table 😭

[copper warren]

i've wanted to get back into OSRS specifically to just get the champion's cape as fast as possible and then bankstand

[dry swift]

I have an ironman and I don't regret it one bit.

[copper warren]

ironmanning is a fun challenge, i don't blame you c: there's a reason the trend got copied by other gaming communities

[graceful moon]

whats ironmanning?

[dry swift]

It's where you have an account that can't trade or receive help from other players. (There are a couple exceptions to this for raids, of course)

[warm python]

No more than 90% of Palia is quests if you put it like that

there's resource gathering and crafting just like Palia, except outfits instead of furniture

[copper warren]

it's a hard, self imposed challenge meant to give people who have played a game a lot more playtime by making them utilize their personal knowledge and skills instead of relying on easier methods

[warm python]

Minigames, collectibles that aren't RNG too

[graceful moon]

ohhh okay! i wouldnt want to do that.

[hexed cloak]

The reason why I love Palia is that there's stuff to do besides quests. I just don't like doing quests lol
I can ignore them in Palia (mostly the friendship ones) and still play the game just fine

[graceful moon]

i wish we could brush animals in palia just like in infinity nikki

[scarlet hazel]

Palias quest aren't interesting enough for me to want to do them. I normally don't mind quest but palia... Just annoys me

[warm python]

I mean, cool, more power to you then

[copper warren]

pokemon has its own ironman - ironmon - in multiple versions where it's incredibly punishing and may take thousands of attempts to make it out of the starting town, but the people who have accomplished it feel really satisfied after, as the run REALLY tests your understanding of a game and its systems. it's funnier because the dude who created the challenge in the first place would get yelled at that the rules were impossible (even had a twitch chat copypasta for one), but by now, many people have beaten it

[scarlet hazel]

Flashback to me trying a nuzlock and I got destroyed on the first gym in gen 5 or so

[fiery perch]

I mean, when i play nikki, i dont even focus on quests all the time. I just like gathering/crafting new clothing pieces, and taking pretty pictures

[copper warren]

the quests in palia leave much to be desired, yeah. i like the lore you unlock through them, but i don't like the busywork

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah. Like WoW quest are busy too but I can always just leave and go look at suramar when I get too bored

[graceful moon]

same

[scarlet hazel]

I might hop on WoW just to fly around legion dalaran's areas and gather herbs tbh....

[copper warren]

some of them are actually engaging from time to time (i like the ones that don't tell you directly what to do and make you puzzle it out, but aren't stupid frustrating like Find The Pixel To Click On), but not enough of them are. it's like drawing names out of a hat, hoping that what you get is more than "get things out of your storage and hand them in".

[scarlet hazel]

Or "go gather these hard to get resources or make this annoyingly resource heavy item you can't keep"

[copper warren]

i REALLY love the quests where you find something to read and it wants you to figure out where the next part is, because often it has some really good bits of worldbuilding. i'll be real, as much as the air temple is designed like junk, the writing in that temple was astoundingly emotional.

[dry swift]

"Go kill chapaas 30 times. No particular reason why, just do it." - Good job! You did it! Here's a chapaa tail you would have gotten during the quest as your reward.

[copper warren]

t h e c r i c k e t s

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah. I hate the air temple cause of its design and navigating but the story there is pretty emotional and shows just how horrifying the humans disappearing was

[copper warren]

and the sheer terror of ||being stranded, knowing that some of your friends left for help, and they haven't returned||

[scarlet hazel]

Exactly!!

I honestly wonder if they disappeared too or if the game was more mature, we would be seeing skeletons scattered around

[copper warren]

so much of those found text tablets have incredibly emotional storytelling. you can feel the frustration, fear, sentimentality, etc. in a lot of them

[graceful moon]

whats the name of that game?

[dry swift]

I feel like skeletons would not happen in Palia just because China has a very strong stance against having them in video games in the Chinese market.

[copper warren]

if you mean us, that's all in palia!

[scarlet hazel]

Wow replacing skeletons with loafs of bread....

[graceful moon]

sorry this proves how much of an goldfish i am. i thought it was a other game.

[scarlet hazel]

It really feels like it doesn't it tho? Lol

[copper warren]

it's okay! if anything, it goes to show there's some hidden gems that can hook you if you look for them in here.

there's a lot of hidden flavour text that tells small but impactful stories.

[graceful moon]

yes i was like huh that seems interesting i wonder whats the games name.

[scarlet hazel]

It stinks it's so far and in-between tho tbh. If a lot of the game was written that way I'd like it a bit more

[copper warren]

as jank as palia is, you can tell that there is love in here.

[dry swift]

What if S6's awful management of Palia is what caused the humans to disappear in the lore, and we started reappearing again because Palia was now out of "beta". Then we found out S6 is still managing Palia and now all of us quitting is the humans "disappearing" again. 😭

[graceful moon]

yeah, but sadly for me im great at forgetting.

i wish palia had double story houses you could make

[copper warren]

it's a passion project with so much promise and the concept is fantastic, but the execution has been a flop through and through, so the passion couldn't translate to a successful product or business

[scarlet hazel]

It's just heartbreaking

[copper warren]

it is. what palia provided on release, nothing else was really doing it, so if they just struck while the iron was hot and improved in a meaningful way, it could have been way more by now

[dry swift]

This is cringe, Mods!!!!

[livid lagoon]

Chiming in with a personal opinion, and potentially a hot take. I understand that because this game is also trying to hit a balance where it can be played by both a younger and an older audience there is a limit to the story complexity, but I feel like the writing in this game is sub-par at best and most of the quests are a missed opportunity. A lot of the writing feels more like fanfic than actual, official writing. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of solid undertones, potentially interesting twists and backdrops here... but when it comes time to put it into words through dialogue and books end up feeling flat and borderline one dimensional. The characters don't really feel like characters at all; just singular personality trait or two turned up to the extreme and made so that everything they do revolves around that trait, and very rarely is there any notable level of growth (some exceptions apply).

And consequently the same ends up with the quests. I expect a lot of "recycling" of quests when it comes to MMO-adjacents, RPGs and such. Most games in the general category will have the "collect X of said item and deliver to NPC", and those quests will pop up regularly through the levelling process. But it just feels like there is so little variation in the quests, and often it feels like the reasoning and backdrop behind the quests are forced... more of a "we need to draw this out a bit, so let's add a quest here, but we don't have a good in-world reason to do it so just make something up quick".

[copper warren]

<@&1216796663071637585> ayy, hate to ping but--

[dry swift]

Thanks Mods!

[copper warren]

ah, unfortunately what's done is done :c

[proven veldt]

We're working on it! Thanks!!!

[pulsar meteor]

a spammer like that, pinging is fine ❤️

[tranquil nest]

Just one ping is enough!! lolol

Lagged my Discord a bit lolol

[dry swift]

uh oh. It's a raid. Quick, everyone hide your illegal flow furniture!

[copper warren]

we! love! phishing attempts! also i only saw one ping in here (from me), so i felt it was appropriate?

[fiery perch]

I feel the same. I also don't like how some stuff gets brought up (because it seemed random or without warning). There's some dialogue that honestly was troubling for me bc of that. That probably goes under where you were mentioning that like, some personality traits were turned up to the extreme

That side, there's at least 2? 3? characters I like and didn't think it was that bad. From what i remember anyways

[runic eagle]

We can ping for scammers, always have

[tranquil nest]

Oh yeah, pinging is fine, it was just a bit much to have it in all the channels lolol

[copper warren]

oh man, i can get that

[pulsar meteor]

on the plus side we're awake now! how's palia treating y'all

[dry swift]

What's Palia?

[scarlet hazel]

I haven't been on lately at all

[pulsar meteor]

also perfectly acceptable 🙂

[tranquil nest]

As a fellow anxiety-haver, MOOD

[copper warren]

i feel like auni's is understandable, for example. he's just a child, so once you start befriending him and ||learning he has a severe complex about being overlooked and forgotten||, his dialogue starts hitting different. yeah i might not be a very kid-loving person (more or less can't handle the energy), but i have a soft spot for kids who have difficult upbringings, real or perceived

[dry swift]

To be fair, there are people in real life who choose 1 topic and make it their entire personality as well. We just have the option to avoid those people most of the time.

Not in Kilima when you're trying to max friendship quests xD

[copper warren]

in my own past experience, pinging is extremely necessary even if it seems stressful on both ends. taking time to send a message gives victims more time to click the link.

[fiery perch]

I admittedly wasn't even thinking about any of the kids w/ the personality bc theyre kids so it's usually fair to think (in my opinion/experience) that their personality might be a bit exaggerated

[copper warren]

also i don't trust discord connections (which modmail requires) and delete them after every time for security reasons

[copper warren]

fair! it was just the example at the top of my head

[dry swift]

He was just in a bad mood that day 😉

[copper warren]

yeahhh. that's just poor execution

[pulsar meteor]

that day? more like all days >_>

[warm python]

stop calling me out like this /hides her Alan Wake 2 collectors edition

[copper warren]

the code should check for friendship/romance levels and then exclude certain voice lines instead of keeping them in the pool

[fiery perch]

glances at my autism diagnosis ...

i do have 1 topic and that will be my personality bc of that

[copper warren]

pokemon is my personality

[fiery perch]

glances at my pfp pic

[livid lagoon]

Sucks that some of the dialogue was troubling for you. It's rough when it gets like that.

But yeah, definitely a lot of characters feel one dimensional. If it was one, maybe two characters like that, fine. Even in real life there are some people whose personality is, for lack of better words, more focused, and that's okay. It's just that if feels like the great majority of characters are like that, well beyond what it should be.

Personally I only find two characters to be interesting to me in the game. Ashura is the one that comes closest to feeling like a person in my opinion. ||Subira|| isn't too bad either. There are some others who, while they don't appeal to me, still feel somewhat like a character and not a trait on legs. But so many of them are just flat.

[dry swift]

tbf we're all a bit different after Covid now too. I get to go out like once a week to actually talk to other human beings because of responsibilities. 😄

[limpid root]

I just want to point out something small: I get what you are saying. But fanfic whether good, bad or mediocre is written out of genuine enjoyment by people. Using the term in a derogative sense is really off-putting.

[copper warren]

ashura's characterization is pure chefkiss. it's heavy, and could distress certain people due to the subject matter, but for me it was a great balance for a character and felt like it paid off to invest my time to get to know him.

[warm python]

I don't even have that reasoning (I think)

I just sit here, writing an Alan Wake RP post, listening to the Alan Wake soundtrack, drinking coffee from my Alan Wake mug, talking to my friends in an Alan Wake server after making a bleeppost video about Alan Wake actors, plotting an Alan Wake fanfic for an Alan Wake zine, because I'm just. I don't even know. LMFAOOOO

[fiery perch]

Which is a shame, cuz I'm very similar to that. However, I feel like, they did have hers a bit more overboard/overbearing compared to most with a "sunshine personality". At least, I hope i am not like that

[dry swift]

I never understood all the dislike for Tish. She's a genuinely nice person who has been through a lot. Same with Reth. But people love Reth more because "hot guy makes soup meme!"

[copper warren]

i also really like the twin's dynamic and how it evolves as you get to know both of them. my only tripping point is the ||air temple|| since it's story and no one is forced to befriend any characters before/during/after it, so its own story can feel out of place

it's the perils of having optional relationship mechanics with storytelling hidden behind them

[livid lagoon]

That was not my intention, but I can see how it might have come off like that. Totally fair, and I'll take that criticism.

There are certainly good fanfic, and fanfic that eclipses even the official writing of the IP they are in. What I meant is that official writing is often done by professional writers, they have the job because their quality has been vetted. Whereas fanfic, because of its lower bar of entry, is more varied, and also often takes a lot more freedom with where things go.

Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with fanfic, or people writing fanfic, just that I have a different expectation of what a fanfic may entail, and what to expect from a paid, professional writer.

If that makes sense.

[graceful moon]

tbh i love that all the characters are different

[fiery perch]

It's fine. I mean, it just means I have to quickly skip through some ppls dialogue and the like and that's okay

And yeah, I completely get what you're saying. Ashura is one I really thought was well done. I also really did appreciate how they created Jina to some extent, only because she (in my opinion) is autistic and I thought that was represented well with my own experience while growing up & even now.

I don't know much or anything about ||Subira|| but I've heard similar things!

[dry swift]

Can we all agree that Kilima just really needs a local therapist?

[fiery perch]

No you're fine. I genuinely think Tish's is just... way overdone imho

[copper warren]

as someone who is unfortunately in the same boat as tish, i relate to why she is as she is, but also it's not a life experience most people will have, so YEAH i absolutely agree it can be super annoying to people who can't jive with that kind of characterization!

[fiery sphinx]

Tish’s personality is purely a mask for the fact that she’s the Bahari Ripper.

[fiery perch]

I mean, Alan Wake is 100% your hyperfixation, whether you're autistic and/or have adhd or not and i love that for you. I always love seeing how excited you get over that franchise. gives me genuine joy!!

[dry swift]

Looks at OSRS deskmat, mousepad, displate, character nameplate Oh wait... I'm one of those people.

[pulsar meteor]

we've noticed

[copper warren]

jel would be about there with reth's self depreciation, but he gets a bit of a pass as he's just so, so melodramatic. dude is a theatre kid and i respect that hustle.

[dry swift]

Well I appreciate you letting me stand on my soap box for OSRS while also kinda secretly liking Palia.

[warm python]

oh yeah and buying tickets to an award show I didnt care about otherwise just because Sam Lake was being given an award there and Alan's VA was presenting an award there

remedy stole my ffxiv hyperfixation smh

[dry swift]

I'll have to check out AW2 sometime. I remember watching 1 when it came out.

I do love me a good mystery game.

[warm python]

It's soooo good, could not recommend it enough (obviously)

[copper warren]

i have a normal amount of hyperfixation, i lie through my teeth, having a full spreadsheet for an all forms shiny living national dex open right now (by the way, pokemon HOME has new dex completion rewards: go get your shiny enamorus and shiny manaphy), and a several thousand dollar collection of merchandise for train muppet twins of which 95% released over 10 years ago and required actual forensic science to track down some of them.

[dry swift]

That's actually pretty impressive about the muppet twins.

[copper warren]

it is; even japanese subway masters fans have applauded us for having complete collections, as most of their die hard fans don't

[dry swift]

I wish I was half as passionate about collecting as you lol

[copper warren]

one of the items is a candy tin that would have perished years ago, so it's nigh impossible to find even an opened, empty tin

[dry swift]

As far as pokemon merch goes, I just have my 151 card collection from gen1; including the movie cards. I'll probably just give it to my daughter when she's older.

[copper warren]

i don't recommend it, i stayed up for days to find out a poster's origin magazine, and nly managed to figure it out because it's a doublesided one with prince of tennis on the other side

however, my fiance and i are like 95% the same person, so when we found out that we both loved the subway master twins and each had a favourite, it was a reasonable collection we could both enjoy

[dry swift]

My wife and I are opposites in almost every way, but that's what I love about her. She gets me out of my comfort zone.

[copper warren]

that's awesome and i love that for you! :D the 5% difference my fiance and i have, he's helped me do the same.

it's really funny when he sees me play palia and tells me he's off to play fortnite, and then we come back together so he can tell me about his wins while i tell him about how a ghibli movie robot walked through my soup game, and i got yelled at for 'cheating' because i won 2 times in a row thanks to rng

it's not my fault the game gave me an opening hand with 2 tiles to win and you put down one of them!

[dry swift]

If I told my wife about my day on OSRS she'd just call me a nerd 😭 but I also call her a dork because she loves true crime documentaries.

[copper warren]

HAHA YEAH... last year i had a Shiny Every Day challenge, and as much as he also loves pokemon, he's not about to do the same. he'd come out every day and ask "are ya winnin, champ"

[dry swift]

The only 2 video games we have ever been able to play together are Dance Dance: Revolution and Untitled Goose Game.

[copper warren]

okay, but goose game is a perfect multiplayer game

it lasts exactly as long as it needs to, and the objectives are simple, and you're geese.

[dry swift]

HONK! 🪿

[copper warren]

just couple things 🤍

[dry swift]

Alright off to get dinner started. Have a great night! 🙂

[copper warren]

you too :D

[warm python]

[copper warren]

i'm just saying that if i could get a duck/goose as a palia pet to run around with me, that'd be an impulse purchase out the gate.

c'mon. give us peki and goots friends... you could do it...

or even as a hat; who doesn't love having a lil fella on their heads

[molten sinew]

What do we gotta do to have a personal hotpot or hot pot allday? I finally got to play bc my switch game was glitching so bad before so i couldnt. Im addicted

[south pier]

has anyone bought the serpent-touched tools? are they blueish like the store preview and blog post or green like the item previews 😭 I can't tell what the actual color is going to be

[near forge]

its gonna be green/gold the blue pink is the lighting

[copper warren]

i haven't seen anyone show them off yet, i feel like some people are holding off because in-store previews aren't matching the promotional images

[near forge]

i got them if there is bright lights they are gold, if we got dawn/dusk they get iridescent

[copper warren]

ah okay! i actually thought it would be something like that, so i'm glad i was on the money with it!

[pallid ferry]

That’s… cool I guess?

[umbral lynx]

I guess that's why the images don't line up then... Would of been cool if s6 gave both night and day images

[pallid ferry]

Yeah I wish previews in the shop actually showed item effects

[copper warren]

agreed, at least show better promotional materials about it

[umbral lynx]

Woah what wait I just said it... Oh phew... Yeah it was more so people knew what their money was being spent on for their sake

[pallid ferry]

Looking at you, Soothsayer antler mold!

[near forge]

i put some screenshots in cosmetics

[copper warren]

thank you tesserose for your work c:

[near forge]

the serpent tools gold parts are more silver in dim light and the glowy green parts are more blue

i thought both were pretty so since i had them made sence to share

[umbral lynx]

Yeah they have to remember their game is rated 10+ having lil extra information would help parents and adults buying for themselves understand it better and if it suits them

[tacit bough]

I'm confused on what to do

[near forge]

im frustrated i still can not get the loyalty club, i just keep seeing the featured but no buy yet