🌱│gardening

[nimble apex]

These spreadsheets I made may be just what you're looking for then! They break down which crops are the most profitable as well as how to process each crop for maximum profit.

[mint sandal]

#🌱│gardening message

[remote needle]

Do we get a star seed from ever starred crop in the seed maker please?

[nimble apex]

Yep, star crops always make star seeds

[remote needle]

I am trying to maximize profit, because everything is expensive lol.

[supple stone]

Maximal profit is a full field of bok choy, all with HB fert and manual watering/weeding

[nimble apex]

One of the biggest takeaways from those spreadsheets is that bok choy is the best for profits by far, so if profit is your #1 goal I'd maximize your bok choy production and sell it as seeds

[supple stone]

However, full bok choy is a pain in the bum. Full replanting every 3 days, huge amounts of fertiliser and loads of watering/weeding (tbh, the watering/weeding isn't so bad)

[nimble apex]

That said, water retention is REALLY nice so you don't have to constantly water, so imo it's not a bad idea to throw in some potatoes in there too

Lmao cysruleon you beat me to the punch twice in a row, I gotta get up real early in the morning to out-type you 🤣

[supple stone]

I'm not a particularly fast typer haha
But we get asked this a lot =3

But @remote needle if you want a high profit layout that isn't max Bok Choy, there's a complilation Ren made here: #🌱│gardening message

That said, while I'm a big fan of gardening, it is not intended to be your main money maker. It's a passive source of income intended to supplement whatever else you do to make money (cooking parties, hunting, fishing, mining, whatever)

[remote needle]

I am best at gathering and hunting if I am not doing gardening.

[supple stone]

btw, welcome to the channel, good to have others who appreciate the minmax maths =3
There are a few of us haha

[nimble apex]

Thanks, I'm glad to be here! I'd previously just been sharing my spreadsheets on reddit but my friend told me I should check out the discord to find more like-minded minmaxers lol

[remote needle]

I should alternate between bok choy and potatoes then?

[supple stone]

1. Do you care about manually watering? Or manually weeding?
2. Do you care about needing huge amounts of fertiliser EVERY ingame day? (You can stack the fertiliser on a tile so you don't need to apply it every ingame day, but it will be used every ingame day)

Because the answer to that really depends on these 2 questions

[remote needle]

I still need the weeding for my last achievement plus I sell them for extra coin

Not too big on watering though.

I'll need to know the easiest way to make fertilizer then.

I have 1 worm bin so far.

[supple stone]

You will want more worm bins most likely, can be either glow or normal. Best things to put in for large amounts of fert per operation are foods from cooking parties or glow worm fish turned into grilled fish

[remote needle]

That means more crafting licenses

And right now cooking parties is confusing for me too.

[supple stone]

ok, alternative, which is actually a bit more profitable but means you need to walk to Zekis and buy tons of fertiliser when reapplying it (personally, I see no issue with doing this, but it's not very popular):
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.YW.YR.YBk.YBk.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.Y-Bk.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YR.YBk.YBk.Y-Bk.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YBk.YBk.YBk.Y-W.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YW.YR.Y-W.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YW.YR.Y-W.YR.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YR.Y-Bk.YBk.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YBk.YBk.Y-Bk.YBk.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YBk.YBk.Y-Bk.YBk.YW.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YR.YBk.Y_D180GtL50Cr0.BkS-RS-WS

When I say a bit more profitable, I mean compared to using Harvest Boost fert (it's really not by much, and only more profitable because HB fert if you were to sell it gets you 5g as opposed to buying water retain fert costs you 2g)

btw, not my layout, think it's attributed to someone called Geno

[remote needle]

If I do this then I don't need fertilizer?

[supple stone]

Uh, not what I said.
It uses a lot of fertiliser still, but just fertiliser you buy so you don't need more worm farms

[remote needle]

But it still gives harvest boost without fertilizer right?

[supple stone]

Correct, but you said you weren't fond of watering right?

[remote needle]

So I would buy the hydro fertilizer then.

Even with 100% water retain crops though?

[neat vortex]

OMG HI WELCOME BACK! I still think about "boks choy" all the time... (I'm u/Nebet lol)

[supple stone]

What do you mean? The 100% water retain there is coming solely from the fertiliser

[neat vortex]

Super excited that you updated those guides so I can link them all over the place again lol

[supple stone]

Huh, if REN is excited about them I guess I should take a look

[nimble apex]

Lmao hey!!! That's too funny, I'm glad my silly jokes have staying power 🤣

[nimble apex]

I'm honored!!!

[remote needle]

So how many fertilizer do I need to buy?

[supple stone]

Depends entirely on how much you want to put on each tile to start with. If you want to completely forget about fertiliser for 99 in-game days (this is a long time), then 99x81, so just over 8k fert. Each stack in your inventory can hold 100, so it's more than a full inventory.
That said, I have mentioned lots of fertiliser being a lot of work for a reason haha.

[neat vortex]

Bebop is u/HollowofHaze and his per tile per growth tick analysis basically revolutionized my way of thinking about gardening revenue around when bok choy was introduced

and the charts are very easy to reference

(unlike my "all the things" crop revenue sheet lol)

[supple stone]

Really? When I started doing the maths for myself, g/tile/tick seemed the only way to compare things
Kinda surprised you started differently having seen all your sheets haha

But easy to reference sounds good

[remote needle]

How many days per harvest?

[supple stone]

3 for Bok Choy and Rice, 4 for Wheat

ok, yeah, these are good charts and will be good to link out.
My only minor quibble is I like seeing the ranking when the cost of replanting is taken into account (also in my spreadsheet I always assume HB buff, but that's more just taking me an extra minute to adjust to the numbers)

[nimble apex]

For sure, my sheets are definitely not the most comprehensive ones out there, but I prioritized comprehensible over comprehensive lol. Main goal being to make something people could save that would be a quick and easy reference for anyone trying to find out what the most profitable crops are, even if they hate spreadsheets hahaha

[remote needle]

Wish it wasn't so much work for the money.

[supple stone]

I get that!
I'm team Beans and do not feel it should be ranked lower than Apples 😄

[remote needle]

Hunting means needing repair kits and arrows.

[supple stone]

Oh, I just repair at Sifuu's forge. But yeah, arrows.

[remote needle]

And gardening means lots of repair kits if you want to do the watering yourself and that means mining too.

[remote needle]

Still requires repair kits right?

[supple stone]

Nope, you pay for it. Tiny amounts

[neat vortex]

Yeah, especially considering you can basically pick your bean seeds up off the ground in EW if you are level 38+

[remote needle]

Do you make your arrows or do you buy them?

[neat vortex]

like as a side effect of doing other things

[remote needle]

Is beans better?

[supple stone]

I'm not a huge hunter, and with the gifts from Mr Kitsuu, I don't have to make too many that often. But if hunting in Bahari, I just mine any Iron I see at the time to help out, but don't go massively out of my way

[remote needle]

Is beans more profitable than the bok choy layout?

[supple stone]

Than Apples. It's not better than Bok Choy or most of the single-tile crops for profit

They used to be though

[remote needle]

Did they nerf them?

[remote needle]

Who is Mr. Kitsuu?

[supple stone]

Indeed. Previously, seeding them cost a single Bean per seed, which was super profitable, even more than Bok Choy despite being a more convenient crop that regrows and doesn't need replanting all that often

[supple stone]

Where are you on your bundles?

[remote needle]

The Night Sky Bundles?

[supple stone]

yeah

[remote needle]

I haven't started on them yet.

[supple stone]

When you complete a few of the bundles in their entirety, you get decor for your home that actually has a function and gives you an item each in-game day

Wait, no, sorry

ONE is every in-game day, the other 2 are every irl day

One of the bundles doesn't give you a functional item like this though, but the other 3 do

[remote needle]

Probably the first bundle lol

[supple stone]

Well anyway, good luck with your gardening, it's bedtime for me. Happy to answer any questions you have another time, but if you post in here, good chance someone else can help you too 🙂

[mint sandal]

Which one is every in game day? I honestly thought all 3 were once every irl day

[round sorrel]

the cutest one

[mint sandal]

Lol

[urban turtle]

So does the apple tree disappear eventually or can I sell any extra apple seeds i have

[strong pewter]

All the crops disappear after some time, so yea

[clear kindle]

apple trees are 12 growth tics (hours) for the first harvest then you get 3 more harvests from it every 6 growth tics (hours) then you have to replant

[karmic notch]

how do you get the gardening planner to show you the seed collectors and preserve jars?

[neat vortex]

Kitsuu :) You can get a spicy pepper seed once an hour! /j

[neat vortex]

see here: #🌱│gardening message

[mint sandal]

Meanwhile my Kitsuu pets can each dig up 1 spicy pepper every few seconds /j

[mystic shore]

Hi guys, do you know how I can get the Elderwood lilac ? And cotton ball for the midsummer flowers?

[neat vortex]

Elderwood Lilacs are a random drop from the Piksii Blossom Bounce in Elderwood; the event takes place in Deep Woods at 10pm Palia Time, but try to arrive before 8pm. They don't produce seeds when grown. https://palia.com/news/piksii-blossom-bounce-tips-and-tricks

Cottonball flowers are a random spawn during the Kilima Bloom event that takes place every in-game day at noon in Kilima. Be sure to arrive before 11:30 AM. You can server hop to hit multiple blooms each time, once the one on your initial server is completed :) Cottonball flowers DO give seeds once they reach their final growth stage.
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Flower_Bloom_Event

[mystic shore]

Thank youuuu

[neat vortex]

Mind if I DM you some tips?

Also don't be shy to request either flower. Plenty of folks have extras they are saving to share with people who need them.

[ebon oriole]

Hey, i wanted to say thanks for the guide, you don't know how many times me and my friends have referred to the og one!!

[misty violet]

A simple question: potatoes or pak choi?? 👀 for profit of course

[nimble apex]

Happy to do it, I’m so glad you find it useful!!

[vast pawn]

guys starred apple seeds are 1k/bag when you sell them

[floral talon]

Yeay but jams is more cash per apple
Some poeple put appleseeds in their storage to bypas goldcap though

[supple stone]

Bok Choy is best for profit

[vast pawn]

how so?

[supple stone]

10x Starred apple jam is worth almost 10% more than 1 starred apple seed, both need 10 apples

[vast pawn]

oh yes i know the apples are profitable

i meant the bok choy

cuz ill plant my whole garden with it right now lol

[supple stone]

Uhh, profitable, but all crops are profitable. Apples are middle of the pile

One sec then

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
This post has a link to a reddit post with a good table that sums it up fairly well.
Bok Choy is worth a lot for the number of days it grows in (and tiles it grows on)

[vast pawn]

ahh wonderful thank you!!

[supple stone]

It's about 20% more profitable than the next best option (potatoes)

Which is kinda crazy really

But going full Bok Choy is very labour intensive, so it's not for everyone

[vast pawn]

im def going to do apple jams and canned pumpkin too

[supple stone]

If your aim is profit, avoid pumpkins. They are worth a lot per pumpkin, but you get so few of them for how long they need to grow...so they are 2.5x LESS profitable than 4 Bok Choy

[vast pawn]

ah i just have alot of pumpkin to use up lol

thank you!

[supple stone]

Fair enough 🙂

[calm river]

Hi there. Ever since I have an apple tree the fertilizer of my field doesnt disappear the next day. Is that normal?

[sleek mist]

current chaos garden

i think all my seeds were starred tho lol

[nimble apex]

compared to previous chaos garden

[floral talon]

another plant probs provides the same buff as hte fert

[pale reef]

Is this a previous version of Palia?

[supple stone]

(To expand on what Duh said, if you put fertiliser on a crop and it gets the same buff from adjacent crops, the fertiliser is not used)

[supple stone]

My guess is it is an old Sonic game haha
At least, that's what Chaos Garden makes me think of

[pale reef]

Oh

[nimble apex]

Lol yeah exactly, it's the Chao Garden from Sonic Adventure 2, I was just doing a bit 🤣

[pale reef]

I was gonna say the graphics had really come a long way!

[supple stone]

Oh, it was a great joke haha

[rose loom]

Hello! Getting back into the game and I was wondering what would be the best layout to make if I wanted to get a good stable production of bean seeds because I don’t have many yet?

[supple stone]

Can I just ask, why specifically Bean seeds?
If just for planting, a single Bean plant and a single seed collector will give a stable production of Bean Seeds.
If you're looking for high amounts of profit, Beans are still the highest profit multi-tile crop, but they were nerfed a few updates ago and are no longer the most profitable crop in the game.

[rose loom]

I just don’t have a good stockpile of seeds, I like to have 30 seed packets or so. I haven’t done any cooking yet and one quest asks for 10 seeds. It’s just to get a good start on some seed packets.

[floral talon]

how much of each type of seed would u realistically all use at once and dont forget if u do a certain layout twice u need twice the amount as u cant insta convert the produce back into seeds

[rose loom]

You make an excellent point

[supple stone]

Fair enough, I guess it really depends on the timeframe you want to have this stockpile ready by.
Just 1-2 Bean crops and a seeder will get you to 30 seeds within a few days, though it does depend on playtime

[rose loom]

Got it! Thank you so much! Sorry for the silly question.

[supple stone]

That wasn't a silly question, dw

[floral talon]

yeay i need far less multiharvest crop seed reserved then the one time crops

[supple stone]

Tbh, most of the single tile crops I grow are seeded for profit anyway. Just need to occassionly keep on top of onions and tomatoes
I need to remember to make some more apple seeds soon actually

[floral talon]

yeay i dont need to stockpile potatoes or bokchoi seeds that much cuz i turn em into seeds and dont btoher taking em out till i need the seeder again XD

[gloomy agate]

can someone explain why I don't need to worry about quality up or cotton plants once you reach Lv25

[clear kindle]

because from here on out, if you plant star seeds you will always get star crops. once you reach level 38 you will get nothing but star crops even from regular seeds

[gloomy agate]

does putting harvest boost fert on a plant that already gives harvest boost affect crop yield or no

[clear kindle]

if you mean that the crop that needs the harvest boost is next to rice/corn/wheat/blueberries/apples or beans then no the crop doesn't need the fert with it. but crops don't give their buffs to themselves nor do they give to the same crop (i.e. rice will not give rice harvest boost, etc.)

[hot moth]

Just decided to do all apple trees

Also I haven’t been on Palia in a hot minute

[neat vortex]

What is it that's appealing to you about it?

[hot moth]

Gunna make a lot of dough selling apple preserves

[neat vortex]

Lot of manual weeding and watering, though - could I interest you in a layout that is still mostly apples (though they're really only middling for gold), but is self-watering and self-weeding?

[hot moth]

Later, I actually don’t have enough apples to get started, growing the 1 seed and it’s still sprouting

(I’ve taken a Palia break)

[neat vortex]

nw, we'll be here :)

Personally, the main advantage of apples is imo only if they are fully buffed, because then they just keep chugging with very little intervention

but otherwise they save you the replanting labor, but not the watering and weeding labor, and to me that's not worth the revenue dip

[barren schooner]

Found a great layout on reddit today and played with the garden simulator, only to realize the reddit poster definitely had a better layout than anything i could come up with 😅

[supple stone]

I'm sure you'd be able to come up with a good layout of your own too, and in here we'd be able to help with advice if you wanted, but of course it's up to you

[slow flame]

Hey everyone, is there a limit to how many fertilizers we can add to the crops?

[twilit tinsel]

I have like 80 star corn seeds help why have I done this

[supple stone]

Yes.
You can place up to 99 fertiliser on a crop, to make it last longer before you need to reapply it. The crop will use 1, 4 or 9 fertiliser from the stack on it each 6am ingame time if you're online, depending on the size of the crop.
You can only have one type of fertiliser on each crop though.

[lime crest]

My first layout I made, any thoughts? Seems like a good automated money maker 😄 Let me know how I can improve it, I want to keep the apple trees for honey lures crafting and tomatoes for my worm farms.

[supple stone]

My main thought is 'damn, that's a lot of fertiliser'

1. If you move that central apple tree 3 tiles to the left or right, each of your apple trees would have 3 sides free to get harvest boost, water retain and weed block through adjacent crops (but you would lose out on the nice row of apples you have)
2. If you pair tomatoes with potatoes, and bok choy with onions/carrots, you can drastically cut down your fertiliser usage. The potatoes would help to boost profit slightly (2nd best crop for profit when processing it, after Bok Choy) but onions/carrots would lose you some
3. If Blueberries are there primarily for profit, Beans are more profitable, the same size and give the same buff

It has good coverage of buffs though, so gj

[lime crest]

Thanks alot for the ideas, i will go adjust the layout accordingly, the apple tress i will try to keep in the middle row, otherwise it will bug me XD I will try to implement some potatoes since the onions/carrots seem to affect the income. I had no idea the beans gave more profit, tysm!

[supple stone]

You might also like to use the settings to say how you are planning to process each crop, it gives a better indication of profit (also I advise selecting 'Growth Ticks' in the options rather than crafter time as a way of showing profit

[lime crest]

How many potatoes would you incorporate in this layout or bok choy is fine? I will be honest, I have no idea how to use that site yet but I'll look into settings now

[supple stone]

For Growth ticks like I mentioned

And then to select how to process the crops

[supple stone]

Personally, I don't like having so much fertiliser, so I would use enough to minimise the amount of water fert needed

[lime crest]

You are a life saver! Honestly I have lots of money, mats and worm farms so I don't it will bother me too much 😄 Maybe a bit annoying at first until I get used to it

[supple stone]

When re-applying my fertiliser, I find even 20 single tile crops to be a lot to refertilise (but I do stacks of 99 to minimise how often I need to refertilise, and only single tile crops for similar reasons but also because larger crops across soil crops can be buggy with fertiliser)

[lime mortar]

Why does my apple tree only give 16 apples instead of 24 when it has harvest boost?

I've tried looking it up with no luck

[supple stone]

harvest boost is only guaranteed to give the 50% extra crops if it was present for every single growth tick that the apples were growing

[lime mortar]

Ohhh so it has to be there all 12 cycles?

[supple stone]

Using onions for easier numbers:
Grows in 4 days
If you have HB buff on it for 3 days, you have a 3/4 or 75% chance of extra crops

[supple stone]

Yes, or 6 for the regrowth cycles

[lime mortar]

Okay so maybe this next one will be it I have rice planted on each side of it now just one on each side touching. So I'll see if that works

[supple stone]

Sounds like it should! You only need 3 adjacent tiles that give harvest boost for apples to get it, so if each side has one rice, that's up to 4 HB tiles around it, which is more than enough

[lime crest]

Some minimal changes, everything will be preserved besides tomatoes and rice 😄 I haven't set the quantities to be preserved on the site so it might show less that it can give me, I need to figure out how many preserve jars I should use. What should have the priority for those? Looking forward to tomorrow's profit 🙂

[supple stone]

Tomatoes should still be preserved. If you preserve them, you can put the preserves in your worm farms for more worms and fertiliser.
Bok choy, beans and potatoes are also better off for profit seeded

Also, when I said pair up tomatoes and potatoes, I meant adjacent to each other. Then they give each other water retain too, as well as the crops around both of them

So reduces the amount of fertiliser you would need

(which also helps your profit)

[lime crest]

Oooo, thank you for the processing advice 😄 I will try to adjust it a third time, hopefully I do it right this time or I can just use potatoes if there is anything else better to use than tomatoes for worm farms

[supple stone]

I mean, it depends on what you quantify as best for worm farms.
Tomato preserves are great as consistent always available items. Corn is another popular growable option, you get 2 glow worms per corn preserve.
Grilled (glow worm) fish and food from cooking parties are best for high quantities of worms in a short time
Low cost meat/forage eg sernuk, muujin meats and staircase mushrooms are the most profitable in a glow worm farm for slow trickles of worms and fert

[lime crest]

I prefer a steady production, possibly 100 per 24 hours, if possible. Normal tomatoes give me 40/50 average or a bit more, i usually let them stack up to 100 so I don't keep track. I will try the preserved tomatoes, I think that's the best option for what I want.

[supple stone]

Btw, pickling the tomatoes won't give you more glow worms (but it would give more regular worms, and does give more fertiliser)

Just to be 100% clear

[lime crest]

I understand, no worries, that's what i wanted so it's great!

Finished layout, thank you so much for the help, great improvement from the first one

[copper nymph]

what do star seeds do

and how do the boostings work? new player here

[supple stone]

There's a good gardening guide document in the pinned messages, it might be useful.
But starred seeds give 25% bonus chance of starred crops.
The boostings... Guessing you mean crop buffs?
Each crop has a buff that it gives to any different adjacent crop. Larger crops need more than 1 tile of crop giving the buff to actually get it (so spicy pepper is a 2x2 crop, it would need any 2 tomatoes/potatoes/cabbages next to it to have water retain buff)
5 buffs, but we tend to ignore 1 of them

1. Harvest Boost - 50% more yield, needs to be present throughout the growth if the crop to guarantee the bonus yield
2. Water retain - you don't need to water it every day, but still need to water when replanting a crop
3. weed block - stops weeds growing on it
4. quality up - bonus 50% chance of starred crops on harvest. Like harvest boost, needs to be present the whole time to guarantee you get thta bonus chance
5. speedy gro. It's bugged. Don't use it.

As for what I meant by different adjacent crops, 2 tomatoes next to each other won't give each other water retain. A tomato and potato next to each other will.

[fierce loom]

Anyone knows how much time does it take for the soil to until? I want to move my crops to another plot, but one o fsquares has some little squares tilled, and so i cant put it in my inventory...

[lime crest]

2 agonizing days

Irl days

[fierce loom]

Whaaat? Im just going to keep planting 3 potatos each time and see if it goes faster xD

[lime crest]

I know right XD It baffled me the first time I wanted to move mine to a new plot. Maybe planting will speed it up, good luck!

[lean sable]

is there a decent batter bean garden with maybe an apple tree that's 100% water and weed without fertilizer so i can be lazy? 😂 been searching for ages

[fierce loom]

i have mine with all crop tipes 100% lazy xD

Looks like this, and you have 1 of each crop at least (so you can keep always having some in inventory)

And this is how i process everything 🙂

(i also always try to maintain 100 of each crop in my inventory as well of 30 seeds of each type)

[floral talon]

pretty

[supple stone]

How many beans were you hoping for? And just the one apple tree, or more if possible?
I have some layouts I might be able to adapt for no fertiliser, just probably later tonight

[lean sable]

1 apple and maybe like 4 beans minimum. just want a good amount per harvest :3

[gusty pond]

If you got 81 plots, why don't you keep 81 seeds, seed with/without star's ?

[fierce loom]

I don’t get seeds without star anymore. And 30 it’s good to keep the rotation of the plot. I only use maximum 9/10 each time I need to replant a type of crop

[gusty pond]

ah garden lvl 25? since you odn't get seeds without star?

[fierce loom]

26 😊

[gusty pond]

nice, I just reached 20 Xd ( I started not long ago )

[upper gorge]

wait are potatoes or bok choy better? because potatoes have a higher sell value, but i've heard bok choy is better so i'm confused lol. i still don't totally understand how farming profit works

or is bok choy better just because it takes less time?

[static niche]

bok choy and potato gives more coins being seeded if money is what you're after

[neat vortex]

Bok choy is better per tile per growth tick, as it grows in 3 days (so you get 1 bok choy per growth tick, assuming you replant it on time), as opposed to potatoes, which grow in 5 days.

It's based on the notion that you only have so many growth ticks during a given week since it's gated by playtime, and only so many soil plot tiles, of course (limit of 81 per character)

[upper gorge]

okay tysm!!

[neat vortex]

And, as KiwiSlayer notes, both bok choy and potatoes are worth more per crop as seeds

[upbeat flume]

Recently did a bit of looking around online, and it seems like when growing crops that either putting them through a Seed Maker or Preserves Jar is the way to go to increase profits. Problem is, ive maxed the amount of machines I can have on my property, all of which are doing either of the above, but im getting more crops than the machines can output. Do I just sell the excess? I dont want to lose out on potential profits.

[neat vortex]

This is a tough problem, especially if you log a lot of playtime and are growing high-output, slow-process crops like bok choy.

What layout are you using, and how many growth ticks do you get per RL day, on average?

[upper gorge]

how many seeders / preserve jars would you guys recommend having?

[clear kindle]

it depends entirely on your layout and how you use your garden. ren has somewhere a calculator to determine how many you need for your plot. for me, i have two seeders (one apple one bean), and then 8 preserve jars (all apple). but i also only ever harvest apples and beans from my layout so i don't need to worry about the other crops

[floral talon]

teh calc is just making use of the garden planner though

[upbeat flume]

Here is the layout i currently have: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.YCTWBkPP.WCoW-WR.YCBkCoBkCTW-TWR.YPBkCoRCP-TBkRWCTCoBkP-BkPBkCoWCBkRBk-CoBkTTWRPBkC-T.WWRPBkCoWCT.Y-CTCoBkPBkWR.WW-WCoTCBkPT.YWR.W

Yeah, they are all pretty fast growing crops

[upper gorge]

tysm!!!

[neat vortex]

lol well sylvablade very helpfully forwarded my "how many crafters do I need" tips, so perhaps that can help you figure out where your overrun is happening and how you might be able to tweak your distribution of crafters among your crops

[floral talon]

Quiet a good one

[upbeat flume]

Thank you

took a few hours of planning

[long trench]

Are we not able to make speedygro poo anymore? Everything i try including desserts, starred anything isnt giving me speedygro.

[neat vortex]

But now that I'm back at a real keyboard...

Assuming you want to keep your current layout, this sheet may be of interest?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1516533569#gid=1516533569

I really need to do that number-crunching for "how many crafters per tile per growth tick per real-life day" for each crop

[neat vortex]

No, this was changed some time ago, and the only way to obtain speedygro now is by buying it for guild medals. Since it's bugged to heck, I strongly suspect the only reason it's still in the game at all is because it's required for one quest

[long trench]

Ahh ok ty for telling me. And yea last time i tried it, didn't seem to work

[upbeat flume]

Much appreciated. This is incredibly useful thank you. I can definitely modify my crop so that its more consistent with my ability to output seeds and preserves, which doesn't really solve the issue; limited output capacity for those two forms. I think just selling the surplus and cooking will be a fine supplemental income while the Seed Maker and Preserves Jar do their work. Im still relatively new, so my biggest concern was whether or not I was missing out something else to use them on, and completely forgot cooking. Once I get to lvl 20 cooking Muujin Bahari is on the table!

[neat vortex]

Do note that the figures on that sheet are for cooking parties where the only ingredient you are bringing is that produce item! Cooking solo is only very rarely profitable, especially when using starred produce and bought ingredients.

[upbeat flume]

Ooooh, okay, I did miss that detail

[floral talon]

btw dont htink to much about it mawhsimi cooking for 1hour is 100 growthticks in effort gardening profit wise

[neat vortex]

lol yeah basically

[floral talon]

somehow gardening is even more work then that ...

ok only 100 i made mathmistake cuz i forget what im doing while doing something

[neat vortex]

cooking parties just blow everything else out of the water, at the cost of finding/organizing, participating, social interaction, active labor, etc. etc.

[floral talon]

leeching of someone else chopping maws while i lazily cook rice

[neat vortex]

But, at least that chart might help you decide which items to sell raw, if you have to...

but yeah if I have mass excess of something (cough bok choy cough) I try to find a cooking party for it

[upbeat flume]

So much Bok Choy

[floral talon]

i mean ur gonna need the focus foods at some point anyways

[upbeat flume]

How do i go about looking for cooking parties?

[neat vortex]

PaliaParty.app for one, #1143270926394335282 for another, and otherwise, networking (i.e., get to know folks at the parties you attend and get invited to their Discord servers lol)

[floral talon]

https://paliaparty.app/?ref=paliatracker.com&filters=[{"field"%3A"skill"%2C"operator"%3A"eq"%2C"value"%3A"cooking"}]

[neat vortex]

(not an app, just a website)

[upper gorge]

how exactly do i get apple seeds?

[main crag]

think the earliest point you can get them is by reaching lvl 10 in Gardening and get it from Badruu as reward

[upper gorge]

ah okay. tysm !!

[neat vortex]

Or, alternatively, you can...

• be very lucky with getting one from a Lucky Box from your daily free Lucky Coin from the general store
• find an apple in the rummage pile and then request more to make seeds
• finish either Zeki's or somebody's... Naio's? idk wiki has it on the apple seed page - level 3 friendship quests and get them as a reward

[supple stone]

Yeah, Nai'o is the second person for apple seeds from a friendship quest

[coarse surge]

What're your strategies in obtaining lots of coins thru gardening? I usually sell 5 out of 10 seeds from the seed collector and found that batterfly beans are easier to grow and sell but there must be a better way?

[chilly meteor]

I´m doing flowers mainly, so plant-harvest-sell the grown ones.
With gardening i just put pakchoi or tomatoes if I'm regularly on my home plot and put it in the preserves jar and sell them once they are done.Otherwise i do Apples and blueberries and do the same^^

[neat vortex]

I wrote some up here: #🌱│gardening message

Revenue-focused layouts: #🌱│gardening message

More details on crop revenue comparisons: #🌱│gardening message
(note: haven't updated this yet to take replanting costs into account, which bumps apples down a bit and beans up)

[coarse surge]

Thank you!! I'm finding coins hard to get but I'm still new to the game honestly haha

I haven't reached the level where I can grow apple trees but I'm looking forward!

[neat vortex]

Yeah, early game everybody is cash-poor because there is so much to spend it on! But I recommend investing early in crafter licenses so your garden can reach it's full potential

[neat vortex]

Apples are really only middling for gold, and blueberries and peppers are towards the bottom of the stack, so really don't worry too much about it

Apples are mostly just convenient

[coarse surge]

Yes I maxed out on my crafter license I'm so close to getting the preserves jar

[neat vortex]

Do keep in mind that the top cash crops are also best seeded, not jarred :) (except tomatoes) So you can be making gold sooner than you might expect

[coarse surge]

OOFF I'm excited!! I'm rlly enjoying gardening atm

The grind is real lol

[neat vortex]

anyway, have a look at those layouts and see if any of them appeal to you :)

[coarse surge]

will do, thank you!!

[neat vortex]

they're all pretty low level friendly

[supple stone]

Really wondering if anything will change for gardening tomorrow =3

Not expecting much, but if we need to feed animals crops, could shift what people want to grow

[neat vortex]

Yeah! I'll be very curious about that

"Help! Sugarfeet is eating me out of corn and home!" 😂

"And all she makes is SpeedyGro 😭 "

[supple stone]

haha

Imagine if somehow cabbage becomes reallly useful =3

[neat vortex]

lol yeah

[lime crest]

I hope they give us more soil patches then, I just redid my garden yesterday 😭

[supple stone]

I highly doubt it tbh

[lime crest]

Well, I guess I'll have to spend more money to keep my animals fed Hopefully the animal produce will sell for a decent amount of money

[supple stone]

Tbh, we know how much eggs, milk, honey sell for. And the various mushrooms if Trufflets do get you those.
Most sell for less than you could sell crops for from memory (not at my PC rn)
But there's a chance we'd get more than one from each animal per day. We just don't know yet.
Also, we might just have to buy animal feed from Delilah. We might not be feeding them our crops

[floral talon]

Naoi seems more like the animal dude tbh

[supple stone]

Completely agree, but I guess he had to learn from someone

[floral talon]

Delaila living the tradwife life 😂

[main pulsar]

any tips on gardening for newbies? like, what crops to plant, alternate crops.. stuff like that.

right now, I'm just planting crops that I like, then sell them

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message This post and the gardening guide linked in the pinned messages are good places to start, but I'd say try and get harvest boost on all your crops (from an adjacent rice/wheat/corn/blueberry/beans/apple crop), as 50% bonus yield is a lot!
Next most useful buff to try and get on everything is quality up if you're still very early game or water retaining otherwise (in my opinion).
Worth keeping some starred crops for when you get the seed collectors so you can go straight into getting starred seeds

If you have any further questions, you are welcome to ask them here. We don't see any question as dumb or stupid, and have probably seen it before anyway

[clear kindle]

yeah, i always felt that if anybody was going to be the animal husbandry mentor it would be Nai'o, since he's the one that talks all the time about the ormuus

[neat vortex]

I updated my Crop Revenue Rankings sheet to include replant costs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1516533569#gid=1516533569

(finally! lol)

laughing slightly that planting apples and selling them as seeds is worse money per tile per tick than planting the same space/time worth of... many crops... and selling them totally unprocessed

(RAW bok choy, potatoes, rice, cotton, tomatoes, and wheat all beat apples-as-seeds in gold per tile per tick)

like... just don't 😂 take your apples to a cooking party (even apple pies! which are terrible money for the apple person) or jar them

[floral talon]

u want water retain and harvest boost at least unles ur tryhajrding and lwoer levels benefit from quality up buff from cotton and u need ltos of fabric anyways

[neat vortex]

Y'know, I actually don't know if my alt ever planted a single cotton plant 🤔

There isn't even an accomplishment for it afaik

But I decided to do weird things with them

(and I saved all of my unstarred crops, too, lmao)

[supple stone]

Damn, all of it?

[neat vortex]

Yeah. I mean, you can't get 'em later except by paying too much for them... they've slowly been coming in handy - filling requests, filling in for "oopsie" rounds at parties, etc.

I even deliberately didn't quality boost my peppers, blueberries, and apples (this was pre-pumpkins) so I could collect more of them

[supple stone]

Oh yeah, I know they do! Just surprised you had the storage space to keep them all

[wraith dragon]

for the "everything crop" layouts I've found, why do they not have cotton in them? is it something later in game I'm not at yet to understand?

[supple stone]

When your gardening level gets higher, the quality up buff is essentially useless. Plus, making fabric out of cotton is very expensive in terms of lost potential profit. So much so that you are actually better off growing Bok Choy/Potatoes/Tomatoes/Rice in that tile instead, selling the produce as seeds (or preserves for tomatoes) and just buying the fabric

[wraith dragon]

ohhhhh okay okay, so buy the fabric not cotton in the end?

[supple stone]

So yeah, basically ends up being better to buy the fabric rather than growing cotton

(You buy it from Tish's cash register - weirdly, not from Jel)

[supple stone]

Hiya, I made a couple of layouts for you yesterday but then Discord died so I went to bed (and forgot today until now).
Not sure how to get Harvest Boost higher without fertiliser or disrupting the 100% water/weed buffs. Due to corners, the max you can get without any fertiliser is 93% or so anyway, so not crazy far off (and apples/bushes make things harder in general too), but:
1 - neater garden, 80% HB
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-TPOBkRROBtBt-BkTPTOBtPBkBt-OBkTBtRPBtRO-PBtBtTOBkBkTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTBkBkOTBtBtP-ORBtPRBtTBkO-BtBkPBtOTPTBk-BtBtORRBkOPT_D180GtL50Cr0.AP-BtS-PS-TP-BkS-OP-RS
2 - messier, 84% HB
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PTBkOBtBtBkBtBt-OPTAAAAAA-BkOPBtBtTBtBtBk-TPBkPROOBtBt-AAATPOTOBk-PTOBkRPBtBtT-BkBtBtTRRPOBk-PRTBkOPTPO-BtBtBkRROBkTP

[lean sable]

omg amazing thank you so much!

[neat vortex]

Ooh, this is great! Only 12 HB fert to get that top one up to 100%, too.

[supple stone]

Or 10 for the messier one. Though I also prefer the top one haha.
Oh, btw, do you think we might be able to produce water/weed fertiliser through the animals? If so, might change a few things

[neat vortex]

Ooh it sure would...

Would make me much less reluctant to use it, for one

[supple stone]

You're not the only person who would be less reluctant to use it I reckon haha

But, I'm not sure it will be a thing tbh

[steady gull]

looking for a layout with all the crops if its possible.

[floral talon]

does that mean really all of em?

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

Astrea is the member here who makes the most everything gardens as we call them, and this post has a bunch of hers to choose from, hope one of the suits! (imo, they're all good layouts)

If you're surprised that some don't have cotton it's because it's not generally worth growing. Explained it earlier today actually, here: #🌱│gardening message

[wintry quest]

In theory… if I gave someone editing permissions and they had extra elderwood lilac’s would they be able to plant them and then I could pick them up?

[supple stone]

No

[wintry quest]

Bummer

[supple stone]

Editing perms only allows them to move stuff you have placed

[wintry quest]

I’m only getting 1 or 2 from the bounce and I need 13 before it goes away 😩

[supple stone]

As far as I understand it at least.
That said, I could dm you a couple of tips?

[wintry quest]

Sure! That would be great!

[main pulsar]

This just blows my mind hahaha😮 thanks brother (sister?)
Can I add you as a friend? I'm liking the Gardening so I'd like some tips if possible

I can't plant them all yet cause of level, (i haven't seen apple in Zeke shop) so i gotta level first

[supple stone]

I don't mind, but it might be better to keep the discussions in here - more people lurk and read the channel than you'd expect from the number of people who chat in here, so the discussion and tips might help others too 🙂
But I'm a guy hah

What sort of tips are you after?

As for apples, you get gifted a seed at...gardening level 10 I think (might be 9?) - this was a while ago for me now haha
Alternatively, you can get lucky with Zeki's lucky coins for a seed or the rummage piles for an apple (then request more), or there are 2 level 3 friendship quests that give apple seeds too

Also, Ren has a good post here: #🌱│gardening message
(Well, it links to other good posts, but they're all his iirc)

[main pulsar]

Got it. For now, what I'm doing is just really planting what I want. Like, I don't optimize for profit or whatev. Still, it was great to have an efficient design just so I could switch it up sometimes.

[unique cobalt]

Hey people, I am trying to make a garden that has every plant (for convenience) but I want it to make as much money and have as much buffs as possible. So I come up with this design, can you people rate it and say how can I improve?

[supple stone]

To be fair, that layout isn't the most efficient. It's just a way of getting an apple and 4 beans into the layout with max water/weed buffs and no fertiliser (what that guy wanted)
There are better layouts for both profit or buff coverage.

[supple stone]

It's very difficult to make a very profitable layout that has all crops, tbh
You could definitely increase the buff coverage.
Often having pairs of crops works best for buff coverage (eg bok choy next to onion, plus tomato next to potato. Can be in alternating lines or 2x2 blocks)

[lapis schooner]

Ok is this just me and I'm silly or is this a thing? I keep picking up the blue flower bush and I grow it and it becomes a black one! Like it's cool that there's black flowers but I've got lots and I would like to throw some blue ones in the mix

(I hope I'm not interupting)

[still venture]

That’s getting fixed in this update from what I understand!

[lapis schooner]

ok awesome!! Thanks so much C:

[waxen mural]

will they ever add more farming plots ?

[neat vortex]

Highly unlikely, in my estimation

It would require a massive rebalance of all the crops and crafters if they did

Gardening is already a very powerful source of passive income (as opposed to active labor like other money-making methods)

[waxen mural]

i want atleast 30 plots

[neat vortex]

Also, 81 tiles is already too much garden for some folks to keep up with 😅

But, who knows, it could happen!

[neat vortex]

If anybody was looking for it and hadn't found it yet, ranching has its own channel!

https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1415180802802847754

[flint elbow]

That's like saying there's to much hunting for some folks so we should reduce the spawn rate of animals ....

Not exactly a good plan to work towards the lowest common denominator. If there are to many plots for someone they can just not do all of them.

[flint elbow]

Re-reading my response - looks like I was being a little aggressive and rude. That was not my intention. It was an honest statement about why people, who would like more garden plots, shouldn't be able to get them.

[supple stone]

The main reason is the economic balance.
Gardening is already strong, and adding way more soil plots would really upset that balance, creating a huge amount of work rebalancing seed, preserve and food prices...which might not be enough, meaning all OTHER prices might need to be reworked.
At present, gardening is not close to top money-making activities, but it is not intended to be. It is meant to be a side hustle, a passive source of income for a little bit of work. They even said something like this in the patch notes just now (and how ranching is similar). You can even leverage the time you are offline to make money with gardening.
If you add more soil plots, this goes out the window and it becomes potentially even stronger than spending an hour hunting with a group, for little effort.
Sorry for the essay, but it really is very unlikely.

[neat vortex]

(I appreciate the follow-up 🫶 /genuine )

[flint elbow]

Fair enough and a well thought out answer. This makes sense, up to a certain point. Gardening is only a good source of passive income if you maintain it. Just like Flow Trees can be a good source of 'passive' income if you water 500 trees a week. Gardening aslo is an 'active' income split with the passive. YOu have to continue to maintain the garden ... as well as the fact that much of many peoples gardens go into cooking and therefore stray from the passive aspect.

I do see that there would be a need for some rebalancing. But I don't believe it to be as much as you put forward.

[supple stone]

Cooking is not profitable if done solo. Cooking parties very much becomes an active activity, and can be the highest earner in the game (though not for everyone involved).
Yes, maintenance of the garden is required, but for most layouts that takes up to 5 mins every hour (more if you manually water/weed, of course...or need to replenish fertiliser). And you get good money out of it every few growth ticks.
But one of the strengths of gardening is you can have a layout that you can ignore for several hours at a time, and you still come back to a sizable nest egg of produce to process and sell.

And I really don't think I'm overselling how much rebalancing might be needed

[silver mural]

I think they work hard to make sure no one activity other than housing can eat your Palia life - they strongly encourage us to mix it up and do different things. They have small inefficiencies built in throughout gardening’s profit stream (controls on seed generator and preserves jar as examples, it takes a lot more clicks than it needs to fill/empty). tbh even as someone who usually min-maxes my way to a profit generating monoculture I appreciate what they did there….

Even while I am being slightly annoyed at how I need to re-scroll back to each square of the hopper to claim seeds rather than having a one click collect, and then it’s faster to go out and reopen seed maker rather than scroll from product to the input food to refill the input

[neat vortex]

...ah, controller woes

I was sitting here puzzled, like, don't you just right-click? 🫢 sorry

[supple stone]

Meanie Ren!

[neat vortex]

:( not trying to be mean, I was genuinely confused for a second, but I probably could have kept that to myself, now that I think about it again

[simple knot]

As a newer player I'm glad they have 9 farm soils as the max. If it was 30 or whatever I would think it's not worth it and too much of a grind.
Also maintaining that many plants sound like a nightmare

[silver mural]

The controls and the way it stops processing as soon as any seeds are in the 3rd output even when you’re only halfway through the veggie stack are the things I laugh at most

[neat vortex]

lol yeah CS said "5 minutes per hour" but for me it's often closer to 15-20 because I get distraaaacted 🤣

[kind berry]

hey, does that mean elderwood items are gonna disappear? i am new to the game and i really love these items i bought few of them but i need more...

[neat vortex]

I know WHY it does that last one (because of the bonus seeds/preserves mechanic) but it's very silly

[neat vortex]

It was the bulletin board for summer that was disappearing

[silver mural]

But tbh I really like their game balancing in gardening. And how it discourages me from spending my entire life setting up a massive monoculture farm to wine pipeline over my entire plot!

[wintry quest]

No, they shouldn’t be going away… I was talking about before the bulletin board went away. I could see how that would be confusing. Sorry!

[silver mural]

It’s all good I knew what you meant! And yes many things are more cumbersome on controllers. But we get to play this game so it’s a fair tradeoff!

[neat vortex]

There are a few controller-only shortcuts as well, like being able to use the Return Home command on the home plot XD and not having to physically move the cursor to the Make button

(or the "Use Starred Ingredients" checkbox)

[supple stone]

I know you weren't being mean, and the fact you even brought attention to your thought processes proved it anyway

[silver mural]

Huh! I would have assumed they would keymap quality ingredients

There’s also console specific differences - places where switch has a single key mapped to high use menus while ps5 has to go through the menu interface - but really they’ve done a remarkable job of making it playable over different systems. And gardening was one of the smoothest transitions between for me.

[neat vortex]

Nope, there is no keyboard command for Use Starred AND no keyboard command for Make (to start a recipe/craft) - at least, not that I've found!

[mint sandal]

I had to try and map my ps5 controls similarly to the switch controls cause I was fumbling so much

[supple stone]

Rather than there being a keyboard command to toggle that, I wish use starred was selectable by default

[silver mural]

Quick question which is actually why I popped in….. is there a gardening level where you consistently get starred produce from not-star seeds? I’m looking at these spicy peppers seeds from the kitsuu statue and my pile of apple seeds from various things and wondering if impose anything by using them….. gardening level 45 currently.

I am pretty sure this has been discussed but quick search and a few pages of scrolling didn’t get me there 😂

[flint elbow]

I think a big part of our heabutting (so-to-speak) comes from something you mention here. Processing is a step in the ... well ... process ... that is required to fully realize the "passive" income from a garden. Even if you had 500 plots, you still only have 30 crafters, at maximum you can put them through. Sure you could sell the crop straight up, but it's such a downgrade from crafting them in some way that it's not worth it 99.9% of the time.

And I'm a bit confused about your comment about cooking. It sounded like you were re-butting that it wasn't a factor because party cooking vs. solo cooking?? I'm not sure what you were trying to say. I was mentioning it in the aspect of party cooking. Which, as you stated, is extremely profitable for most. A vry large portion of my garden ends up being cooked. Therefore the "passive" aspect diminishes and the value of the crops requires an active part. Plus that encourages party play and leaving your plot. Also take into account that lots of the garden materials will likely end up eaten, which also requires cooking (or canning at the vry least). And that portion is not profit at all.

This leads me to another idea. It would be extremely easy to balance NOT the actual crop but the processes in which it is used. Upping the required materials to crat them would be a small change and make a big difference.

@silver mural - I noticed the change between 30 and 35. I've heard people say it starts around 25. But at some point around there I started never seeing non-star crops regardless of what seeds i put in

[neat vortex]

Yes, past level 38 you get all starred crops back even from unstarred seeds :)

Feel free to use those bean and pepper seeds if you've got 'em! And the carrot seeds from tilling... and the bonus seeds from seed production... or, god help you, from Lucky Boxes 😂

(25+ you get all starred produce with starred seeds)

[supple stone]

Even if we completely ignore cooking parties, having twice the number of soil plots could give you an average of 12k per growth tick with Bok Choy. (Granted, only if you're not playing a lot per day so aren't getting many growth ticks, because as you say, crafter licences).
Most layouts which aren't so effort intensive would give maybe 8k per tick average. That's really more than it seems tbh
And changing the amount needed per recipe only balances cooking, not the balance between gardening and other activities

[neat vortex]

but the base star chance goes up steadily with your level, so it's not like there's a big jump

[flint elbow]

8k an hour is reasonable chunk (I know you use the word tick intentionally since you don't have to bon the whole hour to reap the rewards). Which is why I said 'some rebalancing'. And I think just balancing the canners alone would make up for a huge portion of the disparity, since canners are the only true passive process worth using. No need to balance all the crops. just the canners. But at this point I think we can agree to disagree. Obviously neither of us are changing our minds lol!!! No hard feelings and I wish you the best 😄

[supple stone]

Uhhh, how are preserves the only ones worth using?

Seeders are best for raw profit for most of the top cash crops

And I disagree, if you really boost the amount of soil plots significantly, even selling crops outright would still be a very potent money making strategy. So even if you make recipes need more and alter seeders/preserve jars, it still wouldn't maintain a balance between the profit potentials of other activities imo

[flint elbow]

Sry ... my brain always combines seeders and preservers into 1 category.

[supple stone]

Fair enough

[silver mural]

Ngl after you hit like 200k in the bank it feels like focus is more important than cash anyway

[flint elbow]

That will change for you lol

[silver mural]

What do you even buy?

Once you’ve got all your chest upgrades and your house hits decent size it kinda feels like demand falls off and it’s more about time and effort than cash per se

[flint elbow]

Many things in the shops increase in price as you buy them. Housing and rooms start to get REALLY expensive later. Plots cost up to 200k at the end. Eventually you will not have enough time to gather the materials needed to craft or build and will want to buy stuff from the blacksmith (and things like sprouts/garlic from the shops). And of course .... UNDERGROUND (black market stuff like rugs/tubs/and zeki coins)!!!!

[silver mural]

Right, so if the most expensive things are 200k, having 200k in savings means you can splurge on that without having to save. And your daily flux makes up your furniture pieces etc

[neat vortex]

this was my thought, considering that bok choy sold raw pulls in nearly as much gold per tile per tick as blueberries do as jam.

(41.3g/tile/tick for raw bok choy, 41.6 for blueberry jam)

[silver mural]

Passive gardening income gives you like 20-40k a day play money if you check in once or twice a day on weekdays and stock up your veggies on the weekend to keep your crafters going through the week

[neat vortex]

and imagine the AFK apple/bean farms lol

[silver mural]

I’m not as good with the “per tick” calculations but practical cash flow - it feels like gardening covers pretty much everything you need to do whatever you want (within reason) with normal coins, and the limits switch over to guild coins and time/effort.

[flint elbow]

Completely depends on how you want to play, and probably more importantly the amount of time you play. I'm not one to empty my bank on 1 item. Then I don't have money to do other things without first farming it back up. If I play for a couple hours a dayish if I empty my bank then it's going to take me a week to be able to afford the next thing I want. I love the farm game (not gardening but farming materials in general). But that's not the only thing I want to be doing. I want time and finances to be able to build plots. Or farm zeki coins for a specific item (singing bowls always elude me!!). Or catch that rug/wall painting in UG since they are rotating and random stock.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I will agree with that. Like I go to cooking parties to support friends (and to clear out my fish overstock), but I haven't sold a single epic poke bowl since they became a thing, and before my friends started in on the cooking party thing, I was financing everything with gardening XD Though, I get in way too much playtime, admittedly...

So, that speaks to what W P Mac was saying about playtime gating, I think

[silver mural]

There will always be bottlenecks. Early game, coin is your biggest bottleneck, since you use it for game play improvements (tool recipes, furniture recipes, crafter licenses….). Late game, I feel like there’s a transition to where money just doesn’t matter as much, and other currencies you get through game play matter more. Higher level items through guild currencies, hot pot coins, seeds you need to pixii bounce for, items like plushies you need to grind for….

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I've been dying for a new gold sink, ngl - but I don't buy lucky coins basically ever, lol (for individual-to-me reasons)

[silver mural]

I’m still late-mid game though (finished the main line quests, maxed friendships, but haven’t been in game long enough to perfect a plot or truly feel the long term economy) so I may be missing another later transition.

[noble stirrup]

i can hardly wait for the money doesnt matter as much part of my game XD

i barely just got the first backpack 5k upgrade

[tight olive]

The new building items are going to make me blow through my money FAST! Also yes if you are not investing in home projects you likely are holding onto money a lot better!

Also furnishing more than one plot gets very pricey

[silver mural]

Right now I’m mostly landscaping, and that is just time. Gotta wait for flow seeds, grow up my flowers, grow up my cypress, grow up my trees……

[flint elbow]

I think this lies at the heart of the debate. Gamers tend to think that gamers are the only ones who play/enjoy games. A larger portion of gameing communities (which directly relates to profits for the company) actually consists of non-gamers - People who play intermittently and/or don't have more than a couple hours every day or 2 to play. Gamers want to discount these peoples' in game needs because fulfilling them would cause the dedicated, many hours a day, player to be unbalance.

aka - They can't/shouldn't balance a game around people who play 8 hours a day.

[silver mural]

This is actually a REALLY INTERESTING part of their gardening balance to me! Gardening happens on a per tick level. Processing is real time.

They reward afk time as a value multiplier

Like seriously half their game design is “stop trying so hard, this is a cozy game. Relax and do other things!”

[tight olive]

I LOVE it! Makes me enjoy the game so much more!

I always tend to efficient the heck out of games at first try and blow through game play. I enjoy the no rush approach to this game

[neat vortex]

This is also exactly why I have trouble wrapping my head around the notion of even more garden plots, because the folks I know with limited play time tend to completely neglect their gardens/only touch them occasionally because they find the current number of plots overwhelming.

From what they tell me, it takes too much to tend and replant regularly, and it's tedious. Most of them would rather spend their limited play time doing other things, not chores, even though gardening has a high reward-to-effort ratio (which is logical! game time is for fun, and "puzzle out the Best" is only fun for some people XD )

I could see that as an argument for more tiles as allowing more sporadic interaction for the same yield (e.g., just leave all your crops grown and harvest as needed instead of cycling them).

(I'm lowkey worried about the "chores" feeling with the ranching ngl, but that's off-topic)

[silver mural]

There is a huge time advantage for figuring out optimal layouts. It’s a different garden when you realize everything can self maintain for water and weeds.

[neat vortex]

This also makes for some really funny challenges with tailoring gardening layouts to people with very high playtime. They run into backlogs/storage problems VERY quickly lol - the advice for "best" seems to break at over 6 growth ticks per day because of how the numbers work out, lol

[noble stirrup]

you should have seen me in my farmville and neopets era

spreadsheets and alarms

[silver mural]

Ooops, my kitten was just playing so hard she fell off the bed with her toy mouse. This is perhaps not gardening, but it was adorable.

[neat vortex]

Absolutely. And, at the same time, recommendations for tightly-coordinated layouts also tend to be met with "oh no that's too much to try to keep track of" (equally overwhelming, in other words) - this is NOT a criticism of that, let me be clear, only bringing up a play style reality

it's a great solution for some folks, but not others

[silver mural]

Heh. Is true, I garden differently in Palia than other cozies. Harvest and replant one crop at a time per pass of my field so I don’t have to remember what goes where, just fill the holes I made. And that wouldn’t work with a plot bigger than 9x9.

[neat vortex]

It's also why I appreciate sylvablade frequently raising those layouts where only the apples and perhaps beans get harvested, even though it technically neglects a huge portion of the growing power of the garden: it works well for some folks

[noble stirrup]

so since i hate cooking is it cool to just farm and sell everything i grow and make the money?

[neat vortex]

Yes, you can do whatever you want forever ✨ (serious)

Game time is for fun! Don't do stuff that isn't fun and/or satisfying with your time that is set aside for fun XD

[noble stirrup]

you gotta understand i come from elder scrolls where you must do the musts lol

[silver mural]

I think (though I’m not 100% certain) that the most efficient way to get focus if you hate cooking is canned beans 😉

[flint elbow]

THis is actually a great point I hadn't considered. It probably would be on a per-player basis. Some will enjoy the chore aspect and some will jsut ignore it. But isn't that the case already? So adding more wouldn't likely change the ratio of players that participate in the activitie. It would widen the disparity of said players (some would drop out cause i's to much but some would pick it up because they could do more with it). But I don't think it would change to much.

[neat vortex]

Yeah the efficiency of canned beans really knocked my socks off when I ran the numbers, ngl

[noble stirrup]

canned beans sounds like the move

[silver mural]

This is where…. I would love a recipe where you don’t need to chop things you could just stew a bunch of starred produce for a high focus low gold dish in 1-2 steps 😂

“Stew veggies. Immersion blend. Soup!”

[neat vortex]

I think my perspective on this is that I've met maaaaybe ...three? players including myself who have willingly restricted their number of garden plots, or (analogously) refused to upgrade a certain tool. There is a certain implication that if an upgrade exists, then the game expects you to get it.

I put off buying my last two garden plots for a very long time because I already knew that I found the Garden Cube™ overwhelming... ...but I don't think I am in any way the norm in that regard. (And have been told repeatedly that I do things in games the hard way, when for me they are not the hard way xD)

[noble stirrup]

i play with controller and had to hook up my mouse just to cook... and it drives me bonkers. i only finally after having the game downloaded for over a year successfully made the veg stew

[neat vortex]

Oh dear, cooking is usually a bit easier on controller - I'm sorry it was such a struggle!

[neat vortex]

I actually think that this might be the function of the smoothie bowl tbh

It has no chopping, only mixing and rolling, is very expensive to make, but very fast and medium-high focus

[neat vortex]

This actually does make me wanna look through the list of dishes and see if there is anything comparable 🤔 Because I know a number of folks (including myself, on worse days) who struggle with the chopping minigame

[silver mural]

Soon tofu is the easiest but still has several chops. I refuse to cook anything that makes me cut green onions.

I’ve gone over to canned beans for the most part tbh

[neat vortex]

I was wrong: smoothie bowl requires chopping apples. Only Celebration Cake and macarons require no chopping.

Though cooking with others makes it easier to split out the roles according to who is best at what

[silver mural]

Things that disqualify recipes for me : anything with a timed step that makes stuff burn, anything with green onions. Flipping is a medium no (not as bad as green onions but high chance of screwing up timing)

[neat vortex]

(Soon Tofu is LIGHTNING fast in a group, too. 25 second rounds.)

[flint elbow]

This is probably true. I hate the use of FOMO as widely as it's used ... But the acronym exists for a reason. Most people will likely feel bad if they are given access to something but can't/don't want to use it. And that's not healthy for the community either 🙁

[silver mural]

It really disturbs my kids when I don’t refill my focus bar at all. So I have to eat stuff, but cooking always ends up feeling tedious after I’ve made something. 20+ times

[flint elbow]

I do Pumpkin Curry and Rice over tofu (friend does tofu parties I go to b/c I like to have 2 diff focus amount foods to choose from). It's 1 more step in the process for the curry mix. But the 225 more focus output is rly nice when doing focus chonking activites. And only takes a few more seconds per meal over tofu when made in a party with all roles filled.

[neat vortex]

ngl I went to a curry party a friend was hosting because they needed someone on kopaa nuts, and I had too many... I've been struggling to use it! I never wait that long before eating XD And the focus-chonking activities I do, they mostly bloopclunk me entirely, so I go for veggie chili for that (though most people I know just do cakes or burgers, even though my spendthrift soul shrivels at the thought of eating a triple-apple cake)

I mostly go to soon tofu parties because friends host them and it's a satisfying way to clear out my beans, plus they are a nice divisible-by-200 amount for poke party snacking, but my favorite dish of all time is stuffed cabbage rolls. It is BROKEN. lol

99% star rate, no joke. I will cut green onions for that all day for food that fits into my bar neatly right about when I start looking at my focus amount nervously, almost always turns out starred, and stacks no matter what meat/mushroom combo you use. AND it can use up extra crabs if you end up them somehow.

[flint elbow]

uhg ... yeah slamming down a cake or a burger hurts my soul. SO much money wasted 😢

[upbeat flume]

Man..... I just re-did my plot they way I want it and now I have to start over to plant apple trees for the event board..... 😑

[slow flame]

what should i plant for level up faster?

[neat vortex]

guide here : #🌱│gardening message

but all crops give the same XP per tile per growth tick

[flint elbow]

I have an argument to add to our previous discussion - Ranch animals require food and that now pulls from our gardens!

[supple stone]

Yeah, I was saying before I wondered how ranching would interact with what's best to grow tbh

And I want to try and test how the focus amount of foods influences the happiness and food meter build up animals get

But...my login queue has been stuck at 9.6k for 20 mins, so seems unlikely I will be able to test it haha

[clear kindle]

do i finally get a freaking gold sink other than zeki coins!!!!!!!!

[flint elbow]

There wont be any fast testing that's for sure. Focus Decay is ssssslllllooooowwww (as are the cooldown timers for actions taken). Pretty much looks like you visit the ranch once an IRL day that's about it.

[supple stone]

Hmm, that's an interesting choice

[flint elbow]

It was a really poor choice to compare it to gardening. It gave the wrong impression/expectation

[supple stone]

Well, not really. Less maintenance, but still a fairly slow burn activity

[supple stone]

I tried an unstarred Macaron, and it gave over 60 food points to a Peki. It is a 100 focus food, so I wonder how this scales...

[neat vortex]

🤔

[supple stone]

My thoughts exactly Ren
So it seems like cooking cheap food is a good idea.
But would campfire grilling be even better? If so, won't change gardening choices

[signal oriole]

I can't plant anything anymore
Playing on xbox

[supple stone]

What happens when you try ? I have planted things since the update, so it's not entirely bugged, but am on PC so could be different.

[floral talon]

im gonna dump jars into my animals till i figure out a better food source get it working first optimise later

[eager depot]

Whats the most money making way to optimize my crops? I've been doign star quality apple and blueberry jam and that seems to be the way to go

[clear kindle]

just gave a peki a starred petite five (value 126, gives 600 focus) - went from 58 to 100 if that helps any (probably not)

[eager depot]

That peki living the luxury lifestyle

[clear kindle]

tryhard bok choy with harvest boost fert. be aware that this type of layout really needs to be babysat (needs to be watered and weeded every hour)

[eager depot]

Gotcha, so bok choy when I can keep an eye on it

[supple stone]

Blueberries are very near the bottom of the crops in terms of profit.
Apples are about middle
Beans are slightly better than both of them (when you take replanting costs into account), and has the same size/buff as Blues.
That said, Apples and Blueberries are rather convenient and reduce the time you need to spend working on your plot, which is beneficial.

Other decent layouts for profit: #🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

How well do preserves work for them? (And which ones)?

[floral talon]

it cant be just me right but all skill guilds are way busier then normal and dont get me started on ranching

[neat vortex]

You're correct, though this one seems about normal or a little quieter lol

(since I just got up from a nap and hardly had to back scroll)

[drifting onyx]

anyone got a good up to day crop layout? everything online i can see is out of date/

[supple stone]

There's a lot of layouts floating around in this channel, what exactly are you hoping for from a layout?

[drifting onyx]

just a good layout that has all if not most of the crops in it and good positioning for buffs.

[supple stone]

One of everything, that's what I needed to know, one sec then.

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
This post has a bunch of good options for everything gardens, any suit you?

[drifting onyx]

Sweet thank you!!!

[dark hollow]

What is the current best everything garden that is the lowest maintenance (ideally an afk garden?) I just want a good way to keep crops going for passive money + still doing cake parties

[kind crater]

Awh man I just bought a ton of bok choy lol

Hey does it matter if you apply fertilizer before or after watering crops? Is one way better

[prisma fossil]

It doesn't matter.

Also you can stack fertilizer if you have enough, up to 99 per crop.

[tardy sail]

It depends what you mean by low maintenance. If you want to set it up and forget it, check the pinned comments for guides, these will have no weeding and low watering needs.

If you want something that’s super easy to plant and fast harvest the go-to is slapping bokchoy in every slot (star) and processing all of it into Kimchi

But monocrops will have much more weeding and watering to do

[raw berry]

the kimchi makes more money than turning it into seeds right?

[tardy sail]

That’s a good question, If have to check that. I like to do Kimchi because I despise cooking in this game, so it fulfills my focus needs and my money needs

But i’m not sure of the breakdown of kimchi vs seeds

[raw berry]

if this math is right, then it should

I just see a lot of people insisting seeds make more money but I really don't see that?

[tardy sail]

you’ll obviously want to split it, either way so you always have seeds too

[raw berry]

yeah that's true, but if you would go off of gold profit alone

[kind crater]

No way! I got a blueberry bush seed from the lucky box machine!
What can I make with blueberries worth selling? lol

[tardy sail]

Either a blueberry pie (only profitable with other players) or Jam

If you can find a cake party blueberries are fire

But if you just got your first blueberry seed and you have the seed maker unlocked, i’d recommend putting your first one in their so you can get multiple bushes going

[supple stone]

Most people don't need to worry about how seeding bok choy takes longer. As the crafters run when you are offline, they catch up overnight for most players.
As such, we tend to run off total gold produced not gold per hour when talking profit

[supple stone]

Blueberries are among the lowest profit of crops tbh, but you will need some for various recipes, and it is a convenient crop that doesn't need replanting often
That said, gg on getting it from the prize machine! Sound alike you unlocked it early 🙂

[supple stone]

Did you check out the everything gardens I linked just 2 posts above your question? If not, there's a selection of everything gardens to look at, all 100% water/weed buffs
One of them is even tailored more towards hosting cake parties, with 2 blueberry bushes. If you attend but don't host, 2 blueberries aren't so useful

[supple berry]

Hey I'm new just wondering what's the fastest way to lvl up your gardening lvl?

[floral talon]

not really and kinda yes
whatever u plant every crop gives the same xp per growthtick per tile
so keep em growing keep em planting

and upgrade ur focus bar and boost

[supple berry]

Thank you 😊

[supple stone]

First off, welcome!
Second, this post might help, it has links to a few other posts with various info that's useful early on
#🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

Huh, I got Ren as a Shinypod

[charred shard]

it would be super helpful if we could have that post pinned, or the layout post.

[supple stone]

Not up to us regulars I'm afraid

Besides, I don't feel like anyone actually checks the pins

[opal kiln]

My outside plants are invading my kitchen 😀

[violet meadow]

Hi! Sorry for noob questions, but where can I find Rockchopper Pumpkin seeds?

[main crag]

Tamala potion shop, costs 500 essence. Seems to be the only way?

[supple stone]

Best way is to buy a Pumpkin from Badruu and make your own seeds, significantly cheaper than 500 essence for a seed (it is the cash register that he usually stands near btw)

[opal kiln]

Buy a Pumpkin from Badruu farm shop and immediately put it in your seed maker, grow it, boost quality and amount fertiliser... get more pumpkins and seeds doing it yourself in garden

[violet meadow]

Ty vm!

[floral talon]

In the time i can collect 500 essence i could collect thousands of coins (and thats tryharding essence no effort coins)

[violet meadow]

What if Badruu doesnt have this seeds?

[supple stone]

He doesn't. He should have pumpkins that you can turn into seeds using your own seed collector though

[violet meadow]

Im really sorry, found right store

[still venture]

At his farm you can buy produce from the register, including a pumpkin

[raw berry]

ah alright, thank you

[supple stone]

Things get a lot more complicated when you start to factor in high daily playtime players, because then you want a mix of high profit and faster to process crops, and it depends highly on how much they play per day (well, how many ingame days they are on for, even for a minute)

[novel orbit]

can anyone link a all things farm layout?

[gaunt birch]

Can't even plant without glitches 😂

[supple stone]

You can have several to choose from #🌱│gardening message

[stable marten]

is raw meat or grilled meat better for getting worms and fertilizer?

[supple stone]

It's entirely dependent on the value of the item you put in. Higher the value, more you get out. Raw meats are surprisingly profitable if you were to sell the produce, but if you want quantity of worms/fert, you might want to do something different like grilled fish (caught using glow worms) or cooking party foods

[supple stone]

Difficult to tell, but is your apple tree planted across 2 soil plots? That's usually when I get weird visual bugs

[stable marten]

i’ll have to do cooking parties cause i don’t have glow worms yet

why does it need to be cooking parties and now food i make myself?

[gaunt birch]

Just a visual gltich, nothing planted there yet

[supple stone]

Haha, ok then. Weird!

[gaunt birch]

Cooking parties are simply more efficient, grilled fish works just fine 😄

[stable marten]

do i need use the fish caught by glow worms though? i haven’t unlocked that yet

[gaunt birch]

any fish, tho they stack based on their price

[supple stone]

You can use regular worm fish too, it just produces less. Didn't realise you weren't at that point, sorry.
You can cook yourself, but the meals that go well into producing lots of worms are the expensive ones. And cooking is rather unprofitable solo, so it can be a bit of a waste.
How much worms/ fertiliser do you need?

[gaunt birch]

Basically the higher the value of an item you use to make worms the more worms you get 😄

[stable marten]

okay! and don’t worry about it it’s okay, i forgot they were a thing so i didn’t think to mention it haha

i don’t have a specific amount i need, i’m just getting into worms and i need a bunch of worms for fishing, and fert for my
crops

[supple stone]

You get 1 harvest boost fert per 10g value (rounded), quality up fert is 1 per 4g value (rounded)
Glow worms are 1 per 50g value (again, rounded)
And worms... I think it's 1 per 20g but can't remember rn
So, higher value gets you more items. General rule of thumb is sweet items give quality up fert, savoury give harvest boost. But there are plenty of exceptions.

[stable marten]

harvest boost is what i like

[supple stone]

Starred pickled corn is actually decent for glow worms as it's easily replenishable and is 90g value so rounds up to 2 glow worms

[stable marten]

i saw on google something about muujin bahari is good

[supple stone]

And pickled tomatoes are decent for regular worms

[supple stone]

High value dish, so yeah

[stable marten]

oooo picked corn is perfect cause i can use normal
corn for chicken feed and starred for worms

[supple stone]

Also, there are minimum numbers/bonuses you get for some of the fertiliser and worm amounts

[stable marten]

thank you for your help!!

[supple stone]

Welcome

[wise lava]

Heya! When should you use the better soil for gardening? Should it be used before you plant the product or when the product is almost ready to be harvested? It looks like it goes away once its time to water them again

[pale reef]

You want it to be on for the entire time the crop is growing, you can add more than one at a time and they stack so you don’t have to reapply each cycle. They will consume 1 per cycle per square

So if they take 3 days to grow, you want to have fertilizer on them all 3 days not just the first or last

[wise lava]

Ohh ok otherwise its a waste?

[pale reef]

For quality up and harvest boost, the crop either gets it or it doesn’t and the chances are based on how many days it was fertilized.

So if it was fertilized only 1 day and it takes 3 days to grow there is a 1/3 chance it gets the bonus. But if it’s there all 3 days it will get the bonus for sure

[wise lava]

Thank you! I'm newer to the game and there is so much to learn!

[pale reef]

Good luck and have fun!

[neat vortex]

Check out Arenvanya's guide to gardening in the pins if you haven't already :)

[neat vortex]

I also like pickled onions for regular worms, as their output in worms and HB fertilizer is worth 23g more than the pickled onions themselves, so it's a good value per worm while also producing relatively quickly. They also run through a whole hopper without stalling.

[supple stone]

Good point! Was typing on my phone so relying on memory haha

[wind swift]

did they ever allow us to have more farming plots? whats the max still?

[tardy sail]

9 plots

And no, no extension. They’d need to rebalance the entire game to do so

[wind swift]

Darn,thank you 🙂 I just need to rearrange my garden ❤️

[stable mica]

does anyone else also have bug where they cant use apples in cooking?

[floral talon]

if u ever need help wiht layouts for it feel free to ask

[neat vortex]

Yeah but it's only recipes that have the Chopped Apple step, unless you've run into it with petit fives or cakes?

[supple stone]

Oh really? Wonder why that bugged out

[fallen whale]

Does anyone have any gardening layouts for all crops? I keep running out but I’m having trouble setting up my own and finding layouts.

[supple stone]

Several here to choose from, all 100% water/weed and with HB fert for 100% harvest boost if wanted
#🌱│gardening message

[wintry gorge]

This is what I use but I mine's tailored towards the things I like to cook and how much I hate watering things

[supple stone]

A lot of this HB fert is wasted btw

Well, not wasted, as it won't get used, but unecessary

[wintry gorge]

To be honest I just put it on everything because my memory is terrible and I'm never going to remember what goes where.

[low quartz]

is there a good garden layout with everything? that require minium effort?

[supple stone]

Please look at the message 4 above yours

[supple stone]

Fair enough

[low quartz]

arrh thank you, didnt really notice that someone already requested that 😄

[supple stone]

4 or 5 people today actually, and every time it was answered within the last several messages

Well, except the first

[fallen whale]

Yeah so, you’re mine now lmao 💍

[wintry gorge]

I'm glad you like it. It's not the most optimized because I based it off my own forgetfulness and the things I like to cook in game.

[fallen whale]

That’s so valid. I just need like every crop ever for everything I do/make. i wanna get 1 of every star food for my kitchen, but I have no peppers or pumpkins because they were’t included in my layout I used 😭

[wintry gorge]

Vibe.

[analog yoke]

Anyone know where I can purchase/obtain the recipe for the pumpkin seeds?

[supple stone]

Best option is Badruu's cash register. Buy a pumpkin and make it into seeds yourself

[analog yoke]

Tried that, but without the recipe in the Seed Collector I can't make them. I've checked both Badruu's cash register and the Guild Store, neither of which have the recipe.

[supple stone]

Pumpkin SEED recipe? I thought the only unlockable was Canned Pumpkin from growing 10 starred ones
If so, this is new this patch...

[wintry gorge]

It's in the essence store in the Elderwood Central stable

[analog yoke]

So are you telling me to keep growing pumpkins I have to keep buying the seeds from Tamala for Essence? Most other crops allow me to use the seed collector to create seeds from the specific crop.

[wintry gorge]

No. Once you buy the one packet of seed you can make seeds from the pumpkins you grow.

[night lotus]

how do you get more of these soil spaces things 💔

[analog yoke]

I've purchased seeds twice from Tamala, planted them and grown 8 pumpkins. At no time has it yielded pumpkin seeds and when I go to the seed collector (creator) there is no recipe to generate seeds from the pumpkins. I've checked both the Garden Store register and Badruu's Store and neither have a recipe for pumpkins.

[supple stone]

Well see, I'm not telling you anything rn because if you don't have the recipe something has changed.
Before yesterday, you could get seeds from Pumpkins without having to buy from Tamala.

I very much doubt you would need 500 essence every time you wanted a pumpkin seed though, and if you did, so not worth it. Pumpkins are one of the worst crops, but admittedly seem pretty good for ranching

And if you have bought from Tamala anyway, something is very odd

[analog yoke]

Agreed. Thank you for sharing.

[wintry gorge]

You might want to put in a ticket because you may have a glitch

[supple stone]

!support

[compact coral]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[analog yoke]

Logged out, came back in and like magic they appeared. lol

[supple stone]

Oh good

[floral talon]

Cysrulean is hard at work helping all the returnees

[weak cove]

buy from Badruu for 200g each

[supple stone]

Oh damn, I missed that question. Oops
The first one might be 200, but they get incrementally more expensive

[ivory pond]

Say no more

[supple stone]

You need to get to Gardening level 2 before being able to buy soils 3-9

[weak cove]

i set up mine with the 9 soils now, waiting for my tomatos to finish before i can set it up with a layout

[tardy sail]

What do you mean?

[night lotus]

someone already answered it dw

[night lotus]

dude it levels up so slowly tho

[ebon oriole]

yeah all skills are a grind at first unfortunately, it gets much easier as you unlock tools and crafters

[night lotus]

Finding copper is so hard bc I can only mine the small ones

[ebon oriole]

yeah it levels quickly tho dw

[dark hollow]

Sorry I have been sick, so I didn't check back until today! I just now saw it, thank you so much. I think I'll try the cake host one since it is more what I need while still being passive and having other plants ❤️

[novel orbit]

whats best for harvest boost fertiliser?

[supple stone]

This message might help? #🌱│gardening message
I mention worms there rather than fert, but the more worms producced, the more fert produced, and everything mentioned is HB fert producing

[distant sorrel]

Does anyone know if we can put the farming plot soil tiles on the Yardwork decor pieces? Like the big terrace pieces?

[neat vortex]

Not without some arcane rituals (glitching), I believe

[brazen niche]

Hi guys do you have any good crop layout to make money? I just came back to palia after taking a 1year break and tbh I forgot most of the things I need to do in game

[supple stone]

First off, welcome back!
Second, this post has a compilation of many of the top layouts for when you process your crops yourself #🌱│gardening message

Taking crops to cooking parties when possible will always be better for profit though (though too much socialising for me haha)

The very best layout for money when processing yourself is full bok choy, full harvest boost fertiliser. But it needs a lot of manual effort for keeping it fertilised, watered and weeded. And it's a replant every 3 days crop. So, it's a lot of effort.

[ebon oriole]

Whats the highest profit bush again? Beans right?

[supple stone]

At least when you take replanting costs into account

Without that it could be slightly different (eg apples are more profitable if you don't count replanting costs, whereas beans are better if you do. But apples aren't a bush)

[ebon oriole]

Thanks silver

[brazen niche]

@supple stone tysm!

[bleak rivet]

does anyone have any non-conventional shaped garden layouts? i want to try make my garden pretty with as much profit as possible! happy for any shape really :3 just don't have the brains to figure out it myself

i'd rather not lose a plot of soil but i will for things to look pretty

[supple stone]

@neat vortex this might be a convo for you if you're about. Can't remember what to search for your unconventional layout, and figure you may know of some others

[floral talon]

Can make one but prettynes comes at a cost

[rose loom]

Hello! Does anyone have a apple farm layout that requires minimal watering and weeding by any chance?

[bleak rivet]

please!!

[supple stone]

How many apple trees are you looking for?

[floral talon]

do u know the shape and what stuff u wanna garden and the buffs u need?

[rose loom]

3-4 if that’s okay!

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
These are some rather lazy layouts that could work for you

The apple/blueberries is designed to only harvest those really, for maximal convenience (beans are actually slightly more profitable than blueberries and can be swapped out no problem)

[rose loom]

Thank you so much!!

[supple stone]

If you are happy with fertiliser, there are some other layouts I could link too

[neat vortex]

Here's my linear layout, if that might fit your needs? #🌱│gardening message
I can't find a screenshot of it, for some reason...

[neat vortex]

You can also swap in beans for the two bushes there, or just make them more of the water/weed plants, or even smack a third apple tree into the middle if you'd prefer (with some adjustments). The second option would be highest-revenue, since the single-tile cash crops bring in more than the bushes and trees.

[rose loom]

I am happy with fertilizer for the time being!

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
Found a post where I link to both layouts I had in mind haha

[bleak rivet]

perfect thank you!!

[bleak rivet]

i didnt really have any idea about shape but i did want smth i could try afk with. i also dont mind using fertilizer so the one that eliot said is super handy! but thank you for your help

[neat vortex]

Let me know if you'd like any help with modifications or anything :) This is the one I use for both of my characters' gardens in-game, and have for a very long time now xD

[ivory pond]

Someone should make a heart shaped garden

[floral talon]

another request succesfully fullfilled by ren

[supple stone]

Linear. That's the word I needed, of course haha

[supple stone]

Not sure it would be a very good heart considering we only have 9 soil plots to work with haha

[misty violet]

Hey is there a solution if your not able to plant crops, is there just a restart that helps or other solutions as well? :)

[floral talon]

did u till properly 9/10 times its missing one pixel on it XD

[misty violet]

I did, the crop snaps to it but when i hit the plant button, nothing happens :)

[floral talon]

mh multicrop?

sometiems its just the placement bug like so often i tried to move a decor but it was like u place down the other one or stuff like the

can exit and reenter plot to fix or unquip item u wanna place scrollt he toolbars go back try ag ain

[neat vortex]

Which crop are you trying to plant, out of curiosity?

[misty violet]

Corn and potatoes, both didn‘t work. But a restart helped

[bleak rivet]

is there any plot with this similar shape/more decorative than just 3x3 square that has all crops? i'd still like to have some sort of supply. idm using fertiliser c:

[neat vortex]

Not all of them at once, at least not that I have. I swap around the bushes as needed when I need to restock (that's why this one has both a HB bush and a QU bush, though I mostly run it with two HB bushes, i.e., beans). And of course the single-tile crops can also be substituted for their same-buff synonyms.

Bushes are very annoying to work into the linear layout — their support crops also need support in turn due to how the bushes interact with edges and corners

However, if you're okay with only one apple tree, you could manage three bushes by combining this with the apple-tree-in-the-corner layout: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1111111-1000001_CR-T.HPBkBkBt.HBt.HO.HBt.HBt.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkTPBt.HBt.HTBt.HBt.H-P.HTO.HBkR.HBkOTP-TPO.HBt.HBt.HBkBt.HBt.HT-O.HTP.HBkR.HBkP.HTO-OBkT.HBt.HBt.HP.HBt.HBt.HBk.H-T.HBkOPR.HPO.HBkT.H-TBkO.HPR.HPO.HBkT.H

also note that "as much profit as possible" and "all the crops" is very much a contradiction in terms

having 2 bushes and 2 apple trees is already a significant compromise lol

but the apple trees are kind of key to the aesthetic properties of the layout XD

[neat vortex]

But, here, I took a stab at it anyway - just a quick adjustment so it has everything but cotton at least once, and it's still mostly cash crops (bok choy, potato, rice, tomato)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1111111-1000001_CR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkTPBt.HBt.HTBt.HBt.H-P.HCbC.HBkW.HBk.HCCbP.H-T.HP.HO.HS.HS.HBk.HS.HS.HT.H-O.HTP.HBkCr.HBkP.HTO-BkOT.HB.HB.HP.HB.HB.HBk.H-T.HBkOPR.HPO.HBkT.H-TBkO.HPCr.HPO.HBkT.H_GtL25

[mild dirge]

How many apples I will get after first apple tree harvest with gardening 50+ and harvest boost?

[neat vortex]

24 apples per harvest (or without the harvest boost bonus yield proc, 16 apples)

Your gardening level doesn't affect the yield, only your chance of starred produce (which is 100% by level 38 even with unstarred seeds, so you're good there)

[mild dirge]

I am pretty sure I am getting something around 40 per harvest so dunno what am I missing. Also my planner shows 1032 what would be correct 24

[neat vortex]

Total for all 6 trees...?

For how many days of harvest is the planner set for, there?

[mild dirge]

60

I just want to know how many apples I will get from 1 tree so I will get right amout of jars placed and then calculate the time so the jars will run 24/7 with calculating harvest + jar craft

[neat vortex]

I'm very confused. What actual numbers of apples are you currently getting per tree?

[mild dirge]

Thats what I want to know haha I am pretty sure its around 40 for 1 tree when it grow and then need wait 6h for next harvest time thats why 24 apples doesnt match because 24x6=144x6=864

[neat vortex]

I've never in two years of growing apples gotten 40 apples from one tree in a single harvest

It's 16 without harvest boost or 24 with (+50% yield)

And there are 4 harvests per tree before it has to be replanted (after 30 growth ticks)

[mild dirge]

Hmm ok then thanks for help maybe I just miss seen these 40 apples somehow will check it anyways 12h after. Thanks alot

[neat vortex]

lol, if you ever solve the mystery of where that 40-apple figure came from, do let me know! Also you can use the planner to estimate your crafter needs, as long as you know your growth ticks per RL day: #🌱│gardening message

but, also, the planner takes into account replanting costs (subtracts 10 apples from the tree's first harvest, I believe?)

[supple stone]

Think it's the last harvest actually, but not like it makes any real difference.
Think the crop screen shows a lower yield number on the last harvest as a way of accommodating for the replant cost

[wild glacier]

Is there a decent garden planner that includes pumpkin crop?

[gloomy sapphire]

Is there a planner for max XP? Im wanna level this up rofl

[hallow hearth]

I wish they would give us 9 more garden plots. I want one for supplies and one for money lol

[neat vortex]

I bet we can find you something, but decent for what?

[neat vortex]

That's the game, is that you have to choose XD

[neat vortex]

Some tips here: #🌱│gardening message

List of profit-focused gardens here, including a bunch that are 100% water/weed - I recommend the bullseye for simplicity, but you've got options. All are beginner-friendly/require no endgame crops.
#🌱│gardening message

If you don't have all 9 soil plots yet, then here's a tileable starter plot until you get there (but you won't be using this for long)
#🌱│gardening message

[simple knot]

Hi, I'm currently using this garden layout. Is there a setup that gives more money? I don't care what crops I have to plant but I would like to keep either water retention or weedblock buff if possible. Can't cut harvest boost if I want profit anyway

just noticed the post above, please ignore me

[supple stone]

Yeah, that compilation post of Ren's is very useful haha
But you already have the Bullseye layout, which is solid for revenue. You can get higher profit layouts, but tend to need either a bunch of extra fertiliser or manual watering/weeding.
So it depends on if you want that trade-off. If you don't, stick with the layout you have. Any difference would be super minimal

Although you can fit a bit more Rice into that layout at the cost of some Wheat (Rice is more profitable) by going Rice-Wheat-Rice, Rice-Wheat-Rice and so on for the harvest boost ring

[simple knot]

thanks, I'll try it 💖

[amber grove]

whats the best profit farming setup atm? Or is there one that also includes profit and cake ingredients

also the garden planner the earth time is that palia time or actual hours?

[supple stone]

Best profit layout for solo-processing is full Bok Choy with full harvest boost fertiliser, manual watering and weeding. It's a bit too much effort for most people.
You WILL make more profit by growing whatever and taking the produce to a cooking party, if you can do this reliably.
If not doing cooking parties, a list of some of the better profit layouts are included here: #🌱│gardening message
Some are 100% water/weed buff for more convenience, but it does sacrifice some profit. And many need at least some fertiliser.

As for cake party ingredients, as soon as you start adding apples it's no longer a profit layout as they bring down the profit a chunk (they're about middling for profit per tile, and take up 9 tiles). So apples aren't included in the profitable layouts.
If you say how many apple trees you want, and what other crops you want, we can try and help with a layout for you (also, do you host the parties? If so, would want Blueberries, otherwise you don't)

This said, all layouts make decent profit if they are watered/weeded and you are harvesting and replanting on time. Some just make a little more

[amber grove]

I just remember awhile back the best profit was cake parties due to cakes selling for a lot and also being able to be used in glow worm farms. Do you think its worth trying to grow for cake or cooking parties or for straight profit? Is there new cooking recipes that give more profit now at all?

[supple stone]

Cooking parties are definitely still best for profit, but I'm not the best person for teling you what parties are most common (I'm not a cooking party person). Bean Burgers and Epic/legendary fish cooking parties are better for profit than cakes now I belive

[amber grove]

Thank you I appreciate it!

[bleak rivet]

this is perfect thank you!!

[neat vortex]

Rare/epic/legendary fish dish parties have somewhat eclipsed cake parties as the "best profit," though cake parties are still plenty popular since they are easy to hold consistently (don't require folks to get together a bunch of hard-to-get fish, which tends to space out the fish parties some).

The crops used for fish dish parties are

• rice (sashimi and sushi), - onion and tomato (poke bowls)
  and, if you like fighting the UI constantly
• corn for fish tacos.
  (I'm strongly biased against tacos, but you do still find folks hosting them occasionally.)

Tomatoes, onions, and wheat are also used for burger parties, which are currently very popular as they are a bit faster/have fewer roles than cakes, at the tradeoff of lower profits for some roles and the potential to completely fail the recipe if there is an oopsie ketchup.

But, growing apples isn't a bad idea if you actively ENJOY doing the fruit frosting role. It's reasonably profitable still, and you can't have a cake party without them.

Due to changes in the worm farms, in my personal opinion it has not made sense to put cakes through them in a very long time. You gain only 22g per cake in value in one hour (less than 10% gain), which is very low for a glow worm farm. They also stall out the farms really quickly, so they don't even run overnight uninterrupted. Better to just dump the cakes right in the bin and feed your glow worms something else, in my estimation.

If you want to dig into the cooking party revenue comparisons by crop, this may be of interest: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1516533569#gid=1516533569
(Crop Revenue Rankings sheet)

lol I'm so sorry y'all, I'm in a rambling mode tonight

[cursive venture]

Is this a good farm for everything?

I'm not really worried about money

[supple stone]

If you're not worried about money, then it would still be useful to try and get full water retaining and weed block coverage I would say, as it would make things more convenient for you (also helpful to have harvest boost, as it gives you 50% more of everything you harvest. For me, it's the most important buff, but if you aren't so bothered about profit it's less important)
You might want to consider alternating your crops so that rather than (for example) 3x tomatoes under the apple tree, you could have tomato - potato - tomato. This would give water retain to all 3 crops, not just the crops adjacent to them (which is what is happening at present)

[cursive venture]

Damn, I didnt think of the tomato potato thing, thanks a lot

Now that I think about it, I'm just gonna use this farm once off to get ingredients for cooking, so I think it should be fine, I have a diff garden for profit

[weak cove]

i`m using the one from the gamer curtrently

just until i get to lvl 10 and can get apples and such

[wild glacier]

I want to make money, but also I want to make lots of pumpkin curry lol

[floral talon]

want a better one?

[neat vortex]

LOL fair! Maybe modify Yexol's bullseye plus beans to use pumpkins instead? you'd need to fill in gaps with HB fertilizer , but that's practically an inevitability with quality up buff crops
#🌱│gardening message

[weak cove]

well i just hit gardening lvl 6

[wild glacier]

Thanks! I'll try that out!

[gloomy agate]

So why do preserve jars stop processing once all 3 slot fill up despite the 3rd slot only having 1 jar and the remaining amout of potatoes isn't over what would be required to fill a stack?

saw mills, smelters, glass furance and fabric loom fill all 3 slots with max stacks before stopping, how come preserve jars dont

[floral talon]

Third slot is for bonus seed

[gloomy agate]

bonus seed?

[supple stone]

He's talking about seeders specifically. A bunch of crops (the ones that give 4 seeds per crop) have a 10% chance of giving a bonus unstarred seed when seeding a starred crop. It's a bit of a pain sometimes.
But because of this, seeders want a free slot when processing in case there is a bonus seed.
And for whatever reason, preserve jars use the same logic.

[thorny jacinth]

Are apple bugging out for anyone? I have 59 in my inventory but when I try to fill a request or cook with them it says I have 0

[gloomy agate]

its a known issue though it doesn't seem to affect everyone, the devs are working on it but no eta

[thorny jacinth]

Ooo ok thank you so much for the info!

[trim leaf]

Hello ! What would be the best time/profit garden layout ?

Also, since when can't we put a crop as both seed maker and jam maker on the planner ?

[remote needle]

One of my Seed makers won't make seeds anymore.

I have cancelled the job and put the crop back in, that didn't work. I have pick it up in my inventory and placed it back down which caused another one of my seed makers to disappear and appear into my inventory so I had to place that one back down too. The seed maker still wouldn't work. I went out of my plot and back in and that didn't work. I have exited my game and re entered my game and my seed maker still won't work. Anyone else have this problem please?

[chilly charm]

does anyone have a layout with most crops and water retain and weed prevention on all of them? I'm just can't figgure out a good one...

[thorny jacinth]

this is mine, then i use water and weed fert on the crops that need it

but this will change when i reach gardening level 50

[floral talon]

U dont need quality up at all at 25

[sour pine]

Loving the game thus far, been playing a couple of weeks now and finding out what I need to do has been great (older gamer), the farming I like, but I would like to make a suggestion regarding the apple trees.

I would suggest being able to put in plots like the farming, that are only used for trees, an "Orchard" if you will, that way if you decide at some point to add oranges, lemons and so forth, part of the work is done for you.

[supple stone]

Yeah, getting that a bunch. Usually if I search for them in storage at least twice they start working again, but it's funky for sure.

[supple stone]

What do you mean by time/profit?
But as for seeds and preserves in the planner, I've only been playing for a few months but it's always been the at way for me

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
Have a look at these, any suit?

[supple stone]

!feedback
I'm afraid that mentioning it here won't get it seen by the devs. I'd recommend filling in a feedback form 🙂

[compact coral]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #💬│palia-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[cosmic osprey]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OCPPCOOCP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-POPCCCOPO-AAAAAAAAA-OPOCCCPOP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PCOOCPPCO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H Is there a way to swap the apple tree with the middle garden square here?

[supple stone]

Swap the middle tree with what, sorry? What you've linked just has an apple tree in the middle square

[shell niche]

Can we do anything withthe weeds? Or just sell them?

[latent urchin]

Helllooooo

One of the other channel members told me to ask in here about the AFK layout

[thorny jacinth]

Some villagers like Knapweed as gifts: Chayne, Kenyatta and Reth

[neat vortex]

Villagers very occasionally request them as weekly wants, so I would save a handful, but the rest you can sell

(I don't think any of them like them as a gift all the time, but I could be wrong)

[shell niche]

Thank you both if ya i just had almost 200 stocked up ot takes alot of space lol

[magic crypt]

How do I get flowtatos?

[shell niche]

There in Elderwood.
I Think they spawn randomly not sure exactly

[magic crypt]

Oh so you can't grow them?

Hmmm ok I'll have a look

[upbeat ivy]

Sadly no, they spawn in deep woods btw

[magic crypt]

Okie dokie

[cosmic osprey]

Im so sorry i linked the wrong garden layout, this picture has the right one

[cosmic osprey]

I want to make the layout basically the same with all crops included except cotton

[supple stone]

If all you want is the same layout but with all crops, you could just swap a blueberry plant for a beans plant and a spicy pepper for a pumpkin.
You already have all other crops there.
But before you asked about swapping the middle soil with an apple tree?

[supple stone]

Hiya, sorry for a late reply.

Sylva's afk apples:
#🌱│gardening message
(Sylva tends to only really harvest apples/bushes on the left one - the blueberries can be beans instead and still be fine, plus a bit more profitable. If you use the one without bushes, harvest/replant whatever you want, Sylva used to just harvests apples).

Sylva's afk apples + beans, modified by Ren. Contains good info on it:
#🌱│gardening message

Duhscape's lazy max apples:
#🌱│gardening message
(Lots of apples, but high fertiliser needs)

There are plenty other layouts that don't need watering/weeding, but apples need a lot less supervision so you really can miss a few growth ticks and not miss much.

If all you mean by afk is 100% water/weed buff layouts and want one if everything, then you could take a look at these:
#🌱│gardening message
There are lots of other layouts with 100% water/weed coverage though. Just depends on what you want really

[cosmic osprey]

Yes i just want to know how to move stuff around in the picture so the apple tree is in the middle

[supple stone]

Oh OK, I get you now.
Sorry for the slow uptake haha
That's something I would need to play around in the planner for, personally. Due to how the crop buffs interact it isn't always an easy 'swap these 2 soil crops' deal.
If you post the planner link (use save in the bottom left, copy link) then I can play around later, but I can't make any promises as to when as I'm likely to be rather busy today

[neat vortex]

would this layout by Astrea Moreno do what you want? #🌱│gardening message

[cosmic osprey]

It sure would thanks!

[rain rivet]

how do we get the massive mushrooms?

i wanted to plant them with my trees

[neat vortex]

They are a random drop from the Piksii Blossom Bounce timed event in Deep Woods. Event happens at 10pm Palia time, but you'll probably want to arrive by 8pm Palia time to make sure you can get into a good position to glide down.

[rain rivet]

youre the best ty

[magic crypt]

We're do I bout apple seeds?

[weak cove]

i always climb to the wrong spot to glide, but have got some neat stuff anyway, even tho the last bundle is gone i will use the lilacs for decor, well, when i get the cash together from farming to afford more house parts

[magic crypt]

Can someone please tell me how to get apple seeds lol

[thorny jacinth]

Put apples in the seeder or buy seeds from Badruu

[magic crypt]

I don't have apples lmao 🤣

[thorny jacinth]

Then ya gotta buy them from Badruu

[magic crypt]

Just put in a request for apples if anyone is able to help please let me know ty 😊🙏

[supple stone]

1. Gift from Badruu when you get to level 9 or 10 Gardening (I always forget which)
2. Reward for Zeki or Nai'o level 3 friendship quests
3. Zeki lucky coin drop, if you get lucky
4. Get an apple from rummage piles, request more then seed them

I don't have any unstarred apples to gift unfortunately

[paper rain]

What’s the best garden setup for money these days? Before elderwoods I did 6 apple trees with potato and corn

[neat vortex]

This post may have info relevant to you? #🌱│gardening message

[paper rain]

oh man, my ADHD brain could never handle a layout that requires so much replanting LOL. Up until now I've done my layout 3x3 with lines of:
9xPotato | 3xApple | 9xCorn | 3xApple | 9xPotato
It gives me lots of stuff to put into my preserve jars and I use weed block on the Apple trees, Water fert on the rest (and of course all the trees are covered watering-wise thanks to the potato)

Would you recommend changing out the potato/corn for any other crops that do the same as them? Are jars better for profit than star seeds?

I have to emphasize just how much hatred I have for tending the garden, so the easiest layout for me is worth more than the money tbh 😅

[strong pewter]

Is there any efficient layout out there for cooking parties in general, but that replaces apple trees with bean burger or pumpkins?

I've been using this, but I don't need apples rn

[paper rain]

Speaking of….anyone willing to come by and help me hoe and water so I can replant? I’ll pay ya in gold bars or lures or something 😅

[solar moat]

If you’re serious, I’ll take you up on that.

[paper rain]

Dangit I saw you were on, should have asked ya 😂 another friend just helped me out but thank you!

[solar moat]

Your welcome. At least it’s done

[strong pewter]

Thanks!

[tawdry sigil]

I just got back into the game after a very long break, is there a reason to grow the new beans & pumpkin? Does anyone have any recommended layouts?

[solar moat]

Pumpkins not really. Even though the price for the jam is higher than for apples it’s honestly not worth it considering you get 2 pumpkins per harvest without growth boost compared to 24 apples with growth boost. So just plant a few and keep them just in case. Cuz you might need them for recipes and such. Beans I would say plant cuz it’s you can get a bunch in one go and turn them into cans through the preserve jars. I only have one of each planted in my garden cuz you never know when your gonna need it

Then again I’m not a gardening expert but it’s just my opinion

[floral talon]

No unles u wanna bring thrm to cooking partys but they arent for meta dishes so meh

[tawdry sigil]

what are the meta dishes rn? still just cakes?

[floral talon]

Focus some faster 600 in party
And cake
Money fish dish with really expensive fishies

[tawdry sigil]

holy geez

[halcyon lynx]

This is my current layout which I optimized for apples & apple jam... I may have gone overboard... I'm enjoying going to cooking parties and am thinking of changing it up to optimize beans

[tawdry sigil]

what's the point of growing beans? do you just sell the preserves?

[halcyon lynx]

For bean burger cooking parties

[tawdry sigil]

ah I don't have that recipe yet I don't think

[supple stone]

I'm a fan of Beans tbh - it's the highest profit multi-tile crop (when you account for replanting costs, at least) and is also used in decent profit and focus food recipes (Soon Tofu for focus, Bean Burgers for profit - though not really profitable to cook solo).
All multi-tile crops are less profitable than the majority of single-tile crops though (but they do tend to be a bit more convenient at least).
Also, if you hate cooking, Canned Beans are actually one of the best focus sources you can get without cooking. For profit, it's best to seed Beans though.

[floral talon]

i really should redo the math on beans they cna be usefull but idk

[halcyon lynx]

Yeah having four apple trees made replanting so easy. I design my own plots for maximum efficiency and doing that without any multi-tiles was so much work any time I needed to replant

[floral talon]

value ur time with gardening u seen how muhc money can be made spending time u save on mawshimi partys ...

[halcyon lynx]

I don't understand what you're saying

[floral talon]

instead of tryharding stuff like bokchoi
save time with lazier layouts
the real money is in stuff like maws sasshimi partys

[halcyon lynx]

but that requires fishing and that's a bigger timesink than gardening

[floral talon]

why would u bring a fish just overprep rice

[halcyon lynx]

someone's got to don't they?

[floral talon]

yes and why should that be you?

[halcyon lynx]

idk. is there always going to be someone with legendary fish to offload?

[floral talon]

i mean there are bring a fish of ur own partys but they tell u

[floral talon]

tbf i offered to bring like a few of the fishes so often but htey were always like no just do ur rice

[halcyon lynx]

😮 i'll do that then i got plenty of rice

[spiral quartz]

I think I may have borked my gardening part by trying to buy my last 3 soil plots, I only got one of them and now I can't get any more cos it says I'm at my max (which I would have been if I'd got all three)

[halcyon lynx]

They're not in your housing menu?

[spiral quartz]

Ah thank you! I didn't think to look there lol

[weak cove]

reached lvl 8 earlier, so can finally get the preserve jars, spent 50k upgrading to iron chests and now saving again while growing just apples, pumpkins, peppers and cabbage, making seeds from the starred ones ofc

[floral talon]

the beginning is so slow indeed u coudl try a cooking party for money dishes epic/maws fish in em just overprep rice or something

[weak cove]

keeping the non starred stuf mostly for non starred food

[neat vortex]

That's good info to have when trying to recommend you a layout :)

DS has this 6 apple layout:
#🌱│gardening message

It uses a lot of HB fertilizer instead of bought fertilizer, so it's good for avid fishers, probably

For your current layout, I would recommend weaving in some tomatoes among the potatoes and rice or wheat (your choice) among the corn.

If you want low-interaction, though, you've already got the way to absolutely minimize that, as long as you don't mind running to the store often to pick up more fertilizer

Jar apples, corn, and tomatoes if you include them
Seed the potatoes and sell the seeds
Either cook with the rice/wheat, if you plant it (profit or focus parties) or seed them to sell

[neat vortex]

For DS's layout I would recommend tomatoes, not cabbage

[paper rain]

You’re right, I didn’t even think about it when I made my post, it’s been so long since I’ve played I forgot all the different ways you can set up the garden lol.
Thank you so much for all the tips!
I didn’t realize potatoes would be better seeded than jarred

[neat vortex]

120g per potato instead of 102g jarred, a nice upgrade

[floral talon]

i can also make a variant that dont use HB fert and is full afk HB

[paper rain]

I’m just gonna stick with what I have for now since it’s what I’m used to but take the tips about adding some other crops/seeding the potatoes.
Thank y’all so much!

[neat vortex]

only can process a max of 16 potatoes before you have to clear the output bin, though, so you'd need to make sure you have enough seeders

[floral talon]

this could also be funny
78WB
3WR (those spots arent weedblocked but the odds of em getting knapweed before u harvest are pretty low)

[paper rain]

That’s basically my setup as far as where the trees are

[floral talon]

really dang u got good taste in layouts but im gonna keep grilling my 1k fish

[tepid cipher]

finally got around to making a new plot solely for farming etc, whats the best garden layout/crops etc for making some $$

[paper rain]

I just buy the weed and water fert, weed for trees water for the rest and I do 50 at a time on each square so I don’t have to mess with it too often

[floral talon]

plz use an autoclicker or osmething for plpacing it

[floral talon]

that depends extremely on the player
we can still help u out though
so uhm how lazy are u whjats ur lv how much do u like cooking

[paper rain]

I wish, I just break my finger every time 😂

[floral talon]

i can send u one

[paper rain]

Thanks, but that’s ok. I don’t mind it

[tepid cipher]

Got a lot of spare time so im fine with working, waiting for machines etc. got my gardening at lvl 12 and cooking at lvl 46😂

[floral talon]

ok so lv is relevant cuz at higher levels more star chance lv25 star seeds only starred 38 everything only starred
so before the 25 or even earlier u kinda want to have a quality up layout

cooking well some poeple idk why insist on famring pumpkins to cook with or they need everything to cook with or just lots of something to cook with

rei u wanna water it weed it
or u wanna go full psycho

[tepid cipher]

Full psycho sounds interesting, how does one go full psycho with gardening

[floral talon]

there are even worse ones out there but i find hteir pattern to complicated to remember

[tepid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-yes-proud-jeremiah-johnson-yess-gif-17905836

Im gonna save that one

[floral talon]

have fun with tryharding and uhm u might end up stalling ur crafters XD

[minor lichen]

So, is it worth it to turn everything into seeds when gardening?

[floral talon]

jar stuff unles its beans bokchoi or potato or cant be jarred
cotton self use fabric only or dont grow it(but i grow it as buff still fabric it)

exception using the crop for cooking ur stuff

[minor lichen]

This is what I'm currently running right now but I kinda want to run a different direction because this... has taken way too long LOL

[floral talon]

u mean u done the same layout to much or?

[minor lichen]

I wanna try something new not gonna lie LOL

[minor lichen]

this sounds hilarious to do as well LOL

[floral talon]

do it for 12 growthticks XD

[minor lichen]

I think i just get confused on what to replace, and it's too many crops to keep track of not gonna lie

[floral talon]

everyhting gardens are more of a fridge tbh u plamp em down and harvest when u need something

so much replanting

[minor lichen]

yeah keeping track of all the seeds and everything is just a LOT to keep up with.

I might honestly just seed/jar everything, and then buy the seeds from the general Market store LOL

Instead of like "Oh well I need to keep 10 of these seeds here for next rotation and 7 seeds here"

[floral talon]

yeay i dont think u are someone who should be doing everyhting layouts

[tepid cipher]

So question for this layout, just straight up selling the wheat and tossing everything else in preserves jars?

[floral talon]

nope all seeds and only seeds

[tepid cipher]

Hm is there a reason why? Is it just because you get like three extra seeds vs one crop per jar thing

[floral talon]

no u cant even jar wheat and rice
bokchoi is worth more in seeds as in jars

[short wraith]

does hoeing and watering not increase your gardening level?

[floral talon]

nope but if u dont do it u cant grow stuff and then u cant harvest it
harvesting only gives the xp
every crop same tile per xp per growthtick though

[floral talon]

u get xp from harvesting and its all balanced

[sly skiff]

hi! question!

so I'm just starting out, and the 1hr+ wait time for the seed maker to make seeds seems.... steep. that'll likely make more sense when I can get more seed makers added into my farm but, for now, I only just have 3 of them...

So I was wondering, what's the best crop to sell as it is, without making it seeds or preserves?

[clear kindle]

we very rarely ever recommend to sell raw crops unless you have an over abundance of said crop. keep in mind that gardening is a passive skill and the seeders (and later preserve jars at level 8) will run while you are offline while your garden will not grow during that time. unlike the other skills for money, you put your crops into the crafters and let them run since the next time you log on they will be processed so long as the crafter doesn't get full

[sly skiff]

ohhh i see i see

so gotta find another skill to make quick money(?) while the seeders work no?

[neat vortex]

(The answer to this, however, is bok choy)

[clear kindle]

right, hunting, fishing, foraging, cooking (party only), bug catching and mining are your "active" money makers. those you have to actually play the game to get done. gardening (depending on your layout) will need to be tended to every hour (water and weeding as needed) and then let the crafters do their jobs

[sly skiff]

Thank you both!

[hexed pasture]

trying to make the most efficient layout feels so hard

[maiden narwhal]

hello, is potato seeds still the most profitable next to apple jam?

[neat vortex]

The top cash crops for solo processing by gold per tile per tick are, in order:

bok choy (as seeds)
potatoes (as seeds)
rice (as seeds)
tomatoes (pickled)

Apples are in the middle somewhere under beans and carrots

[maiden narwhal]

aw ok, i haven't got beans yet, just started playing again, thank you for the answer 🙏

[neat vortex]

Beans are easy to get! Find bean plants in the Elderwood :) They pretty much always drop their seeds. They grow around the roots of the large, unchoppable trees with twisty trunks (not the giant cylinder ones).

[maiden narwhal]

ah I haven't went to the elderwood yet but thanks so much ;u;)b

[neat vortex]

But beans really aren't necessarily worth growing purely for gold. Like, they're okay, and they're the best solo multi-tile crop, but you're better off with single-tile crops listed above if you're just trying to maximize your gardening revenue.

[shell niche]

I don't know if i would ask here but where do i get heartdrop lillys? I keep getting sundrops

[sweet sedge]

Heartdrop lilies are an epic forage in the Bahari Bay part of the map. Try running around with a dowsing rod active!

[shell niche]

Thanks 😊

[maiden narwhal]

hello i edited my old farm a bit, i like to not have to tend to it everyday and have a somewhat 'profitable' farm with varieties in case i needed some of it for cooking, is this ok?

[neat vortex]

Can you share the garden planner link, please? You can use the Save button at the bottom of the page (I find the darkmode pictures hard to see, lol)

But just from what I can see from squinting at it, it looks like you have... one...? grain tile?

If you are above level 8 or 10 or so, you'll gain more benefit from harvest boost (+50% yield) than you will from QualityUp (up to +50% chance of starred crops). At level 10, your chance for starred crops is already 70% if you're planting starred seeds, without any other buffs.

You also make more fabric per tile per tick by growing cash crops, processing them, and selling them to buy fabric from Tish than you do by growing cotton per se.

So, I would potentially reconsider those cotton tiles and consider making them rice, wheat, corn, or a mix - whatever you will need for cooking.

I am also pretty sure that there are 2-apple, 4-bush layouts that have 100% water/weed without fertilizer. If that interests you, I can dig them up.

[maiden narwhal]

oops sorry
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCoBkBBCoBB-BkTBkOPOPCoP-CoPTBBBkBBCo-PAAOAABkAA-ACrAABkAACoA-AAPAAOAABk-CoSpSpPSpSpCbCoBk-PCbPBkPBkOCoO-SpSpCoSpSpPBkCoCb

and thank you so much, i'd appreciate it if it's not too much trouble for you, thank you 🙏

[maiden narwhal]

in the meanwhile i'll try to apply this while i wait for my crops to reset ah thank you 🥹 🙏

[neat vortex]

The above post of everything gardens by @pearl oasis in the Elderwood discussion channel. Normally I would just link it, but I think the EW channel may be deleted at some point since it's no longer in use.

[neat vortex]

I took a stab at modifiying Tarina's third layout above to your specs - lemme know what you think. I aimed for an "everything garden" for cooking with an emphasis on solo cash crops.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HPWBk.HT.HBkCb.HP.HO-AAAAAAAAA-PTR.HBkCBkBtBtP-Bk.HSSO.HSSTBB-TPCrBkO.HBkCrPT-BtBtTPmPmO.HPmPmBk.H-PBBBkCBkR.HTP-AAAAAAAAA-OP.HCb.HBkT.HBk.HWPO.H

Note that this layout does NOT function with all 4 bushes being the same type (but it could do half and half as long as at least 2 of the bushes give the HB buff)

[boreal hazel]

im new to the server so idk if this has been asked. but i wonder if they plan to give us more farming plots? and more chests? the max bugs meeee lol. i love the game though

[neat vortex]

Highly unlikely, and almost certainly not, BUT we will be getting further storage capacity upgrades to increase the amount our 8 chests can hold. (The current max is palium.)

Did you know that you can have up to 8 chests per housing plot? Doesn't increase your storage past the first 8 placed, but gives you more access points.

[boreal hazel]

we can upgrade chests?

[neat vortex]

Oh you are in for some fun :D

Yes, at the cash register in the furniture store you can buy recipes to upgrade your storage chests to copper, then iron, then palium chests.

8 palium chests gives you 14,000 storage

[boreal hazel]

oh cool! lol i didn’t know that. i’ve gotten pretty far in the game but i really haven’t messed with any of that stuff. i just found out today where to upgrade my ammo inventory because i genuinely just have never looked around his store like that😭

[neat vortex]

I can highly recommend poking your nose into every possible interactable object in the game :)

[boreal hazel]

im definitely going to! lol

[maiden narwhal]

i will try this layout after my next reset, thank you so much for going through the trouble 🥹🙏

[neat vortex]

Happy to help :)

[neat vortex]

Looking for #🐔│ranching ?

[viscid ridge]

Oh yes i will go there i deleted the message since there is no point of it being here

[main pulsar]

guys, anyone got a garden design that focuses on Batterfly Bean?

harvest boost and water retain is the main buff

[urban nacelle]

Out of curiosity is it better to sell the seed packets rather than the veg? Ive noticed beans / pumpkins sell for quite a bit and curious 👀

[neat vortex]

For some crops, seeds give the highest return per crop; for others, they do better in a preserves jar if you have that unlocked - but it's always better to somehow process your crops before selling them. (...except cotton into fabric, only do that for fabric you plan to use)

Seeds: bok choy, potatoes, beans, and anything that can't go in a jar
Jar: everything else

In short: yes

[neat vortex]

How many bean plants are you after, and what other crops would you like?

[urban nacelle]

You are simply amazing thank you! I have jars unlocked but noticed there was a huge return on seeds but I guess I need to figure out if the return via preserve is higher

[neat vortex]

You might find this interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1n9ehqr/seeds_vs_preserves_which_crops_are_the_most/

[main pulsar]

Maybe 6 beans? Though the more, the better. Then I'd like some Wheat and maybe Tomatoes. The rest I don't care. Ahh, no apples and Pumpkins though cause I can't plant them yet😁

[urban nacelle]

My amazing comment still stands

[neat vortex]

I find myself extremely curious what has you needing 18 beans per growth tick 😅 but lemme see what I can dig up

Also, if you WANT to, you can go buy a pumpkin from the farm stand and make it into pumpkin seeds

(beans produce very fast lol)

[main pulsar]

No particular reason haha😆 I just like growing them.. the purple color is nice haha

[neat vortex]

Well, I hope you like farming yourself out to burger and soon tofu and veggie chili parties, because you're gonna have a lotta beans

[main pulsar]

the apple and pumpkin are bought with the other currency, which I don't have yet.

[neat vortex]

They are pretty, I'll agree :)

[neat vortex]

farm stand, by Badruu's house, sells pumpkins for gold

pumpkin in seed maker -> pumpkin seeds!

[urban nacelle]

That's how I did it before 10! I wanted them in preserves! I can attest to thus method hehe

[main pulsar]

I haven't thought that far ahead haha😆 I just like the look of beans. Though, that would be an added bonus

[neat vortex]

Unfortunately, pumpkins are one of the very least crops in terms of revenue, but hey, there are accomplishments

Actually I think they are dead last by a fairly wide margin

[main pulsar]

the pumpkin?

[neat vortex]

Yep

[main pulsar]

Really? Btw, I see a lot of people like planting Apples. Are apples good? How do you get the seeds for them?

[urban nacelle]

You get one as a reward from Badruu I think for hitting 10?

[neat vortex]

Apples are middling in terms of revenue per tile per crop. Their main virtue is that they don't need much attention if you have them watered/weeded/harvest boosted by their neighbors. They don't have to be replanted very often to stay productive, and their harvests are spaced out. Apple jam is slow but steady, and a full hopper runs for a good while before it needs refilling.

Bok choy, meanwhile, you end up replanting very frequently, and while it is wildly good for money-making as far as gardening revenue goes, it can also overwhelm your available crafters if you have too many tiles of it/you get too many growth ticks per RL day.

So it's a little more labor-intensive even in an "AFK" layout

[urban nacelle]

Is bok better done as preserves?

[neat vortex]

No

[main pulsar]

Well, I'll stick with Beans for now. I'll think about the Apples when I get there.

[neat vortex]

Unless you are running into an overstock problem, anyway, but the math gets pretty individual at that point

lol if I end up witha bok choy overstock, I look for a rice cake stir fry party to dump it at

[supple stone]

Could this be a return of Duh's max lazy beans layout?

[neat vortex]

I'd forgotten about that one, good idea

[main pulsar]

There's an already existing Bean farm design?

[neat vortex]

So many

They got nerfed hard a couple patches ago, but before that they were better than bok choy for revenue

so there were a lot of bean-heavy layouts created during that time lol

[urban nacelle]

How do you make lots of money - im still a newbie and saving up my first 100k for the palium chest! Do you just sell yhe stand alone crop?

[neat vortex]

Did... squints were you the person I was just talking to about seeders and jars?

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
This post and the one below it. They good enough?

[main pulsar]

I want one hehe please send me😁 I just cleared all my plots

[neat vortex]

It's very late here and I'm losing track of things

[neat vortex]

Oh, wait, dangit, that has no wheat

[urban nacelle]

Yus! Lol

[main pulsar]

I need a few Wheats

[main pulsar]

I saved them just in case haha. THanks

[neat vortex]

This isn't SIX, but it's four... #🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

Well damn, I missed the bit about wheat, sorry!

[main pulsar]

I only really need a few Wheat. Maybe 3 or even just 2 if the design is not viable. Though I want lots of Beans hahaha

[supple stone]

Honestly, could probably alter the max bean layouts to have wheat in at the expense on some fertiliser
Also, did you say you don't really care about weed block buff? If so, there's a really easy solution actually

[main pulsar]

I still don't know how to get fertilizers though.. is there somewhere I can get fertilizers except the shop? Also, yes, I don't mind having a few weeds

[supple stone]

Worm farms spit out quite a lot of harvest boost fertiliser, though water/weed fertiliser has to be bought at present

[main pulsar]

Ohh.. so Worm farm had that kind of bonus? I haven't built one cause I don't fish. But if that's the case then maybe switch a few harvest boost for Weed protect. I'll build some Worm farm to get Fertilizers

[supple stone]

Honestly, worm farms are decent for profit by just selling the worms that are produced, but you do need to level up fishing to unlock worm farms
So, no fertiliser but no weed block: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11-11-11-11-10_CR-WBtBtPBtBtTWT-BtBtWBtBtPPWT-PBtBtWBtBtPBB-BtBtPBtBtWBBP-TBBWBtBtPBtBt-BBTBtBtWBtBtP-TWTPBtBtWBtBt-PWTBtBtPBtBtW-TPWPBtBtWBtBt
Give me a few mins to look at getting the 8 Beans layout of DuhScape's with some wheat

Also, those middle Blueberries could be any 2x2 crop. If you wanted to use fertiliser, 2 Beans with Harvest Boost fert would fit there haha
Spicy Pepper might make more sense than Blueberries for cooking recipes too

[neat vortex]

I was just playing around, but here's this goofy thing...
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-TPTBtBtWBtBtW-TPTBtBtWBtBtW-TPTBtBtWBtBtW-BkOPT.HP.HT.HBkOP-BkOPT.HP.HT.HBkOP-BkOPT.HP.HT.HBkOP-BtBtWBtBtWTPT-BtBtWBtBtWTPT-BtBtWBtBtWTPT_D180GtL50

[supple stone]

ok, option 1 for adding wheat to DuhScape's layout
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HOBtPBkBtBtBtW.Y-BtT.WBtBtPBtWBkW-BtOT.HBtBkPW.YBtBt-BtBtWT.YOBkBtBtW-POPTW.HTPOP-WBtBtBkOT.YWBtBt-BtBtW.YPBkBtT.HOBt-WBkWBtPBtBtT.WBt-W.YBtBtBtBkPBtOT.H_L50Cr0.BtS18-BP3-CbP2-BkS4-PS2-OP

[floral talon]

Such an interesting layout this way

[neat vortex]

It's like the inside-out version of Yexol's beaned bullseye XD

[supple stone]

Hmm, I am not doing well with altering it in the other way I was thinking of, just getting so much fertiliser requirements
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HP.YBtBk.YWBtBtBtW.W-BtBk.YBtBtOBtPT.HP-BtP.YO.HBtWBk.YW.WBtBt-BtBtPBk.WPT.WBtBtP-BkOBkWR.YWBkOBk-PBtBtT.WPBk.WPBtBt-BtBtW.WBk.YWBtO.HP.YBt-PT.HPBtOBtBtBk.YBt-W.WBtBtBtWBk.YBtP.YO.H_L50Cr0.BtS18-BP3-CbP2-BkS4-PS2-OP
Of course, as weeds aren't minded here so much, could always just ignore the Weedblock fert...But still need 17 fertiliser...I think the option 1 layout works better haha
If that has too much wheat, any of it can be swapped out for rice or corn
Hope these help! @analog quest

[supple stone]

I mean, it is basically your layout just with some minor changes (and tomatoes > cabbage)

[main pulsar]

I'm saving everything for now.☺️ Thanks guys, I'll check them later. I had to eat first hehehe

[main pulsar]

This one got 8 Beans😮 Dem, that's a lot hahaha😆

Thanks guys😆

[analog quest]

i think you ping wrong person

[supple stone]

Yes, it seems so. Very sorry!

[supple stone]

Well, the first one I shared has 9, with the option for 11 if you use some fertiliser for harvest boost on the 2 extra ones. But that has no weed block at all

[neat vortex]

beanpocalypse in the offing...

[supple stone]

I am a fan of Beans though, so am kinda happy someone wants a layout for lots of them haha

[main pulsar]

Bean for the win haha

😆 😆

[wispy girder]

Hi everyone, I just started Palia and I'm using this pattern of crops that I saw on a IGN guide for early game crops, my gardening is still lvl 2, i'm storing all of the harvesting since Idk if i'll use them later for cooking, I also don't know the ratio I should be selling, etc.

It's this okay? ^

[halcyon lynx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1n9ehqr/seeds_vs_preserves_which_crops_are_the_most/

[neat vortex]

Not bad while you are still buying up to the soil limit! Those are all cash crops. You can swap potatoes and tomatoes for more gold, but more replanting.

You can also swap that wheat-rice-wheat in the top left for rice-wheat-rice if you would like.

If you want, you can also work some bok choy and onion in there for weedblock, albeit at the expense of some harvest boost buffs.

Here are some new-player resources, if you're interested, including a starter layout
#🌱│gardening message