🌱│gardening

[pure topaz]

hi guys, for some reason i can't send messages in game. it's bugged out for me or something. ive started playing this game yesterday lol. on google it says i can get tree seeds from chopping down trees around town. i keep chopping down trees but don't seem to get any seeds, am i doing something wrong? can i buy the seeds instead?

[neat vortex]

The seeds only come from medium and large-sized trees, and they're a fairly rare drop

The only way you can buy the seeds is with foraging guild medals, which you won't start earning until level 10

However, once you get ONE seed from a drop, you can request more of that type from other players (up to 4 requests, and then once you claim them, there is a "cooldown" period where they slowly refill)

You will need an upgraded axe to chop medium trees (standard axe, first upgrade, made from copper) and large trees (fine axe, made from iron)

[pure topaz]

oh, thank you, at least i have the standard axe

[formal osprey]

WHAT DO YOU GUYS RECCOMEND I DO WITH ALL THIS

[mellow bronze]

Non starred turn into pickled tomatoes and sell them?

[formal osprey]

Are pickles worth more than just selling seeds?

[mellow bronze]

It depends I think? I know apple jam sells for 164 or something if it’s starred and a started apple tree seed sells for 1050 but I don’t know about the rest

[ashen garden]

i think for tomatoes its better to jar, then for the non starred just feed them to worms ig

[mellow bronze]

I always do my starred for worms as you get more worms from them 🤷🏻‍♀️

[formal osprey]

really? ty

[neat vortex]

Starred apple jam is 144g, requires 1 apple. Apple tree seed is I-forget, over 1,000 yeah 1050g, requires 10 apples.

[mellow bronze]

Yeah, it’s not much more but you definitely get more from starred ❤️

[ashen garden]

isnt worms just based on cash value

[neat vortex]

This definitely depends on the produce, but for tomatoes, absolutely pickles are worth more than seeds.

I love this site: https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[mellow bronze]

Okay so I was basically close enough with the starred apples.

[neat vortex]

Yes, though rounding and breakpoints can make things a little weird on the low end.

[neat vortex]

Yep! So it's about 37% more per apple as jams than as seeds. The tradeoff is that it's slower to process (by a lot, because seeds will chew through 10 apples at a time, obviously XD)

[mellow bronze]

So from a normal apple you can get 8 worms but from a started you get 12 worms

[ashen garden]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ if you're doing low value stuff ur losing anyway so its all academic

[floral talon]

minimum yield and rounding after minimum make some things aloss others profit but if u just need amount go for high value grilled fish probs

[neat vortex]

How so?

[floral talon]

nah low value stuff makes profit

[ashen garden]

grilled fish is for nerds, use crops like the gods intended

[ashen garden]

grow better crops

[floral talon]

thats not the intended way at all

[neat vortex]

Ironically, unstarred tomatoes are more profit in a glow worm farm than either pickled tomatoes or tomato seeds, but they just take about twice as long XD

[floral talon]

all crops are technically perfectly balanced ...

[mellow bronze]

Yeah so I always sell me tree seeds as long as I always have a minimum of 9 so I can keep growing apples, turn them into seeds and then sell again.

[ashen garden]

technically shmecnically

[floral talon]

theres is no best crop unless its cabbage >:)

[ashen garden]

best crop is clearly apple because cake is life

[ashen garden]

nuance is for nerds also

[neat vortex]

careful, DS, your cabbage bias is showin'

[ashen garden]

bUT mUh bLuEbERry

(blueberries suck, including that lame quest)

also @neat vortex cant u request nonstarred crops if u like collecting them or is that against the whole pokemon vibe

[floral talon]

blueberry is awefull and should only be grown if u need it for cooking they just dont fit well into layouts 2x2 in 3x3 ugh

[floral talon]

can u plz learn to talk normal ty

[ashen garden]

MORE PLOTS WHEN

[floral talon]

soils never

[ashen garden]

what this is perfectly clear its just referencing something from last week

[floral talon]

push that down a few notches i cant believe even i have to say this ...

[ashen garden]

what are you even on about i literally cannot

[mellow bronze]

You can only request non starred items

[ashen garden]

explain what isnt normal about this message

[ashen garden]

that is indeed my point

[floral talon]

the last half of the sentence ... anyways gl with that

back to gardening!!!

[ashen garden]

"the whole pokemon thing" is a reference to @neat vortex talking about liking collecting nonstarred crops now that they're lvl 50+ and cant get any ever, and apparently that was something they wanted??? not everything is meant for everyone to understand i dont know why you're like this

[ashen garden]

^ again its not exactly present its just something i happened to remember right at that moment but i dont see why thats an issue

[fading aspen]

i wanted to create a quad boosted apple layout, with one blueberry and pepper bush that doesnt need any fertilizer

thats fully afk

the issue if ive had to puzzle some stuff and switched out stuff (the berry and pepper bush were later additions) so now it looks like a mess but it works, anyone know if this can be cleaner? lol
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkTCCPBkBkTC-PCPTBkTPRCo-CBkTPTPBkPBk-CPBkBkBBPBB-AAAAAAAAA-CBkCPTPSpSpC-TPBkCBkCPTBk-PBkCoTCPPBkT-SpSpBkRBkPPCT

since im only lvl 10 i wanted starred apples yafeel me

realized i might as well try for quad boosted every bush, so now thats covered too
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCCRBkBkTC-PCPTBkTPRBk-TBkCPRPCPT-CPCoBkBBPBB-AAAAAAAAA-BkCBkPTPSpSpBk-TCoBkCBkCTPBk-PBkCoTCPRBkT-SpSpCRCoPBkCT

but its horribly ugly LMAO

not sure if im a virtuoso or clinically insane for that but im a little proud of its chaos

[floral talon]

Uhm impressive tgat u can make this but dang low on harvyboost and few apple/blue

[fading aspen]

i think with this im mostly just trying to get enough starred seeds of the apples and blueberries to farm with like, 4 apple 4 blueberry, while also getting spicy peppers for food and make money with the other crops?

got up to 64 HB from 48
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CTRBkPBkRTC-PCPTBkTPRBk-RBkCWTPCPR-CPCoBkBBPBB-AAAAAAAAA-BkCBkPTPSpSpBk-TCoBkCBkCTPW-PBkCoTCPRBkT-SpSpCRCoPBkCT

[floral talon]

Oh thats why its this way personally i used diff strats but this works to im to lazy to make one time use layouts xd

[fading aspen]

i also just enjoy making these challenging layouts ig? like, a berry, apple and spicy pepper bush naturally quad boosted, with the leftover space farming money??? cool challenge

[neat vortex]

only 24 HB fertilizer to get to 100 percent, too, that's damn impressive!

I haven't taken a close enough look yet to see if anything can be tweaked, but I'm leaning "virtuoso" ngl

Garden layouts are like weird sudoku meets Tetris, and I struggle with both - especially those dang bushes

so, major props

I just remembered your question and thought you might appreciate this very weird one: #🌱│gardening message

[fading aspen]

Seeing this because of ren's referral, would you happen to have any layout you'd like to be created? Not sure how "unusual" you're looking for, but I like a challenge so hit me with what you need and I'll try it out

[solid fox]

I am sorry if this question was already asked and discussed, could anyone please advise the best layout for leveling up? my current gardening level is 114, I don't care about what I get from farming, I just want to level up my gardening skills fast, thank you.

[clear kindle]

level 114, or level 14? if the former, then honestly no reason to focus on leveling up a skill because the levels after 20 don't matter (arguably level 50 just so you can get star crops from non-starred seeds). if the later than any layout will technically work as long as you are harvesting the crops and are online long enough to do so, those that only take three hours from seed to harvest would be the crops you would focus on if that's the case

[solid fox]

ah okay, yeah my level is 114, not 14. I just thought I could level up faster by working on specific crops on my farms, haha. Thank you!

[clear kindle]

i mean, apples give about 250 exp per harvest, but take 12 hours to get to the first harvest, so the smaller crops would technically be faster, but like i said, there's no real reason to worry about skill levels, outside the achievement to get to level 50 because there's nothing to be gained from it, no items, no nametags, etc.

[humble plaza]

hello!!

[neat vortex]

All crops give the exact same XP per tile per growth tick. Your main enemies with trying to push gardening levels are (a) "lost" growth ticks (crops not being self-weeding/watering, OR crops being ready to be harvested/replanted and sitting idle instead) and (b) insufficient growth ticks in general.

Unless you care about money or need the output for something else, harvest boost doesn't matter; same XP whether you have the bonus yield or not.

I don't necessarily recommend SpeedyGro (not that it's feasible to obtain it in bulk in the first place) because it is bugged and only works properly when you are physically on your plot for the 6AM tick-over, but my competitive-leveler friend still uses it when he can, so, YMMV.

You definitely want a 100% self-weeding, self-watering layout, though. That same friend of mine uses the "5 apples afk style" layout but with tomatoes in the center instead of wheat. However, I think because he needed rice for cooking parties, he may have swapped to the 4 apple version (the 100% weed/water + mostly harvest boost one)

You may want to focus on longer-growing multi-harvest crops, particularly apples, BECAUSE they are so resilient to lost growth ticks. However, if you can only play in short bursts, it may or may not make sense for you to also plant short-grow-time crops as the remainder and just keep on top of it. Shorter-growing crops are more labor per growth tick (have to be replanted more frequently), so, idk, do your own reckoning on that. (DuhScape swears by cabbages, and for XP alone, they may have an advantage since if you sync it up right, their 6-day grow time will line up with your apple trees.)

As for (b) not enough growth ticks in general, the only thing I can recommend there is to see if you can log on very briefly shortly before the daily growth tick (so, maybe at 5 or 10 minutes past the hour, tend your garden, stay online just long enough for 6AM in-game, re-tend your garden if needed, and then log out.

This way, about 15-20 minutes gets you 2 growth ticks, since the growth tick you start before you log off finishes while you are offline (but it doesn't progress farther than that), and then you make sure you're actually online for another.

But tomatoes vs potatoes vs cabbage may come down to personal preference. If you are home a lot, and consistently, then tomatoes are fine, and the 10 days between replanting will work well as long as you harvest them on time. In that case, potatoes sync up with your tomatoes, kind of, in that you replant tomatoes and potatoes at the same time (harvests do not line up, though).

If you prefer to have minimum 5 hours of playtime between having to go tend your garden, then you may want to use DS' formula of apple-cabbage-potato-corn and then fill in with whatever 2 weeders make the most sense to you.

I lean toward onion, because you only lose max 2 growth ticks on those if you're coming back every 6 ticks, but you'll have to choose either bok choy or carrot for the rest. (I say bok choy, and at least get the money from selling it raw, plus whatever excess will go in the seed collector.)

(...gosh sorry for the wall of text! I've had to do a lot of thinking about this because I'm friends with a bunch of folks who really care about XP lmao)

[floral talon]

ren had u covered yes?

[solid fox]

yeah, I think so (still reading it, haha)

[floral talon]

summarary of what he probs said
every crop gives same xp per tile per growthtick (on average multystage ones gives massive amounts first cuz first harvest takes longer then later less or something but in the end same)
so just make sure it grows every tick with waterretain and weedblock and harvest when u should
since xp u want stuff that takes longer to grow and lines up harvest/replant times to reduce u missing some plants growing

[neat vortex]

same XP per harvest, funnily, but yeah, averages out the same

[floral talon]

apples 12 6 6
cabbage 6 potato5
weedblock carrot bokchoi both 3 line sup nicely with 6 and 12 and 15

or another combo i found works nice
bokchoi carrot
cabbage potato
corn rice

[floral talon]

oh so for the first harvest u get less then what u would have gotten if u planted something else then but later more

[solid fox]

thank you

[solid fox]

Thank you so much Ren, I really appreciate it 🙂

[neat vortex]

Yes, thanks for the summary!

[neat vortex]

Sure thing! Do you have a layout that will work for you given gestures all that, lol, or would you like to work on getting something tailored for you?

[solid fox]

Could you please show me any example layout if you have any? I am really new to gardening/farming...

[neat vortex]

How are you 114 gardening and still new to it, out of curiosity?

[floral talon]

but for xp layouts are basically afk(no maintenance) but u dont care about harvest boost
and i advice to make harvest/replant times lineup otherwise they arent afk

[solid fox]

the layout that I have been using is actually from DuhScape

[neat vortex]

Neat, which one?

[floral talon]

wonder which one i made like 20

or 30 maybe more i kinda forget to copy my first ones ...

[solid fox]

I think DuhScape made this for sylvablade, if I remember correctly.

[neat vortex]

Neat, yeah, that's the "4 apples afk style: one :D

[floral talon]

yup though on that one i dont bother harvesting till everything is done but yeay i also have one with carrot bokchoi as weedblock and cabbage potatoe as water retain

ren also made a version of it but i beat him to it hehe by a few days

[neat vortex]

You beat me to sharing it here by a few days :) but, that doesn't matter

[floral talon]

urs is so slightly different

[neat vortex]

Yeah, it was just convergent evolution

[floral talon]

ok back to helping that guy whos name i cant spell

[floral talon]

that one indeed works great for xp but if u dont care about harvy boost we can make it easier to replant
and with different crops easier to harvest/replant in sync or less often

[solid fox]

could you please help me? I really enjoyed the layout though 🙂

[neat vortex]

If you don't care about money or output, I wonder if peppers or blueberries would be better 🤔

[solid fox]

right, I do not care about money or any output.

[neat vortex]

I need to afk for a while to take care of some RL stuff currently, back in a bit

[floral talon]

then u make that one screw putting 2x2s in an uneven number layout

[floral talon]

wow u probs want less output cuz thats easier to process

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp
afk strip
best tha can be done for xp without apples

unless u dont want harvy boost

[solid fox]

thank you so much!!! I will try this one 🙂

[solid fox]

is this also good at leveling up?

[floral talon]

yeay only for leveling though

[solid fox]

yup, that is all I need, thank you so much again!

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbCAPBkACbCA-AACbAAPAACb-CAABkAACAA-ACbCAPBkACbC-AAAAAAAAA-CbCAPBkACbCA-AACbAAPAACb-CAABkAACAA-ACbCAPBkACbC this is with apples u can L shape this one aswell

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.HpA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HO-BkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-OA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.HpA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HO.WA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.Hp
could also do this in ur case fert is optional i use this one to get rid of my 2k+ fertr

and this is why we need to ask questions of what u want otherwise im like i got 5+ layouts that meet ur qualifications

[solid fox]

yeah, I don't really care about anything other than leveling up my gardening skills.

[floral talon]

super afk wbut lots of fert spamming XD so ultra ez to replant

ok i admit that one is more of a meme but some poeple like it

so i assume ur all good now and got what u need yes? if not uhm be more specific in a layout request and we get you settled

[solid fox]

I will be trying this one since it appears to require less efforts than others, haha. Thank you!

[floral talon]

hangon let me make an easier version i messed something up with it

spot the difference

[solid fox]

thank you!!!

[floral talon]

ok now its perfect he cant believe i didnt see that at ffirst well it dont matter onyl tiny optimalisations to get more cabbage in then most potatoe then the other ones i really dont care

reason is that u then have less work with it

althoguh slightly cuz cabbage takes half the replants as carrot/bokchoi (and htis is why i eprsonally do apples cuz thats way less

[solid fox]

ah I see!

[neat vortex]

holy moly that is so many single tiles

I would simply faint if I had to replant that whole dang thing every 6 growth ticks

But, try it out, because what works for me may not work for you!

what you consider work, I may not, and vice versa

Really, when it comes to XP, and I cannot emphasize this enough, objectively, all crops work equally well. The differences in how it plays out come down entirely to individual factors.

[floral talon]

uhm yeay thast why im on team apple

speaking of team apple i cuold make al ayout that consumes even MORE harvest fert

[neat vortex]

9 apples? 😂

[floral talon]

but that wont be afk and i still havent figured out the glirchtech to get 8 afk ones HEHE 😈 maybe one day next year il have time for that ...

[humble plaza]

idk if there's already a chat about this, but to obtain HarvestBoost from the Worm Farms, which ingredients or products are needed? i think it's sweet or savory the difference, but idrk

[neat vortex]

Yep, savory items :) meat, forageables other than sweet leaf, pickles and kimchi (not jam), cooked things that aren't desserts

Do you plan to keep your worm farms placed all the time/prefer to make fertilizer more cheaply?

Or do you need it in bulk to cover many growth ticks per IRL day and/or only want to make it every so often (and therefore need higher yield per item)?

[neat vortex]

Here is the layout my competitive leveler friend was using:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-OBkTPTPTBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkTPTPTBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkTPTPTBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkTPTPTBkO-AAAAAAAAA

The center tile in every weed/water module can be absolutely ANY crop without affecting the buffs whatsoever.

Keep in mind that he was also growing flow trees, so he was home at almost every growth tick. So, tomatoes gave an advantage (fewer replants) and didn't ever get stalled at the harvestable stage.

If you are more the type to be out hunting or gathering or doing cooking parties for hours at a stretch, then that may not be optimal for you, and you might want to use cabbages instead.

He also was growing onions for poke party reasons, but you can use carrots instead, for the reasons DS explained above, since you don't care about output.

[solid fox]

@neat vortex @floral talon I am not sure if you two are interested in plushies, but if you have any plush that you would like to have (including Sandi, Nox, Giga, Nibbles, etc), please DM me - I would like to gift you. Thanks again.

[grand vector]

I'm curious if anyone has a garden planned with each crop in mind?

[fading aspen]

that can be arranged

this is me editing an existing layout where i got an apple; blueberry and spicy pepper bush with all boosts (so its very ugly but thats what it took 🥲 ) where i changed some of the the other boost crops to allow for every crop type being used: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CTRBkCbBkCrTO-PCPTBkCbCbCrBk-RBkOWTCbCPCr-CPCoOBBPBB-AAAAAAAAA-OCOPTPSpSpBk-CbCoBkCBkOCbPW-PBkCoTCCbROT-SpSpOWCoTBkCCb

i will now try to make a new one from scratch to see if i can make it less ugly

slightly cleaner with HB on the triple threat of bigger crops: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCBkCoBkCPCb-BkTPOPCbAAA-CBkTBkCoPCbBkC-PBBTBBCBkO-AAAAAABkOR-POBkSpSpTSpSpP-BkPCbPRBkTBkC-PCbPOWBkPTC-CbBkCPCrBkBkPT

very clean, just a single of each grain and cotton though: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPBkCBBBkBB-CTPBkWBkCbPO-BkCTSpSpPSpSpBk-PBkOTCrPCBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCPRTOBkP-BkBBPBBTCBk-OPCbBkCoBkPTC-SpSpBkSpSpCBkPT

this is the same as the previous but got rid of the double berry and spicy pepper to get another 2 grain/cotton spaces in https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPBkCBBBkBB-CTPBkWBkCbPO-BkCTSpSpPSpSpBk-PBkOTRPCBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCPRTOBkP-BkCTPCoPTCBk-OPCbBkCrBkPTC-TPBkCCoCBkPT

dont think its optimized but still looks neat for having at least one of each crop

[neat vortex]

I will happily accept the sentiment behind this offer, but it would make me happier for you to keep your plushes. :) I don't need compensation for this; I do it because it's fun for me! I'm glad we were able to help you. :D

[neat vortex]

Looks like Stryker is having a great time helping you with layouts! I have a few questions before I can recommend any of mine:

• what level gardening are you?
• about how many hours do you play each week?
• do you still have regular use for fabric? (still working on furniture, specific deco projects, regular user of sticky smoke bombs...?)
• do you have specific uses for any other crops, like for cooking for profit or preferred focus food?
• overall, is this a perpetual layout you want to plant now and stick with for a long time, or is this more of a temporary build-up-stock layout before you swap to something more tailored to your needs?

[grand vector]

Right now gardening level 8. I can probably put in 10+ hours a week. on my days off I kind of keep going until I get tired lol. I make bombs a lot. I am only crafting to get furniture making leveled up, but i do not have any projects right now. right now making money as I need to unlock stuff. This would be mid-long term i think

[grand vector]

thank you! checking them out now! I did not catch the notification

[neat vortex]

Do you make sticky smoke bombs a lot, specifically? (the ones that take fabric)

[grand vector]

I try to. Everytime i have the materials for it i make as much as I can

[neat vortex]

Got it! I rarely use them, myself. They are the only "endgame" use for cotton, beyond specific furniture projects, so I like to ask.

So, definitely need a fair bit of cotton, in that case.

Do you have apples and blueberries already?

[grand vector]

I have apples and blueberries.

[neat vortex]

Cool, I assumed as much since you were asking for an all-crops layout XD

[grand vector]

Right now my focus is cash. I have not bought things i need, like the house stuff. I barely have those unlocked.

[neat vortex]

nodnod For gardening, making money from it is largely how much you can leverage it as a souce of passive income (as opposed to active income like mining, fishing, etc.)

How you doing on unlocking crafter licenses?

[grand vector]

uhm 🤔 how do i check? i bene away from the game for a few months x.x

[neat vortex]

If you have a crafter placed (a loom, smelter, seedmaker...) pick it up and then try to place it again. It should display a count on your screen like [number] +1

[grand vector]

I only see the decor limit changing.

[neat vortex]

...they changed it

the heck?? how do you check it now :(

[neat vortex]

Well. As a workaround, you can go to City Hall and check the current price on the next upgrade, or if it will even let you buy more: https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Crafting_License

[vital kraken]

It is still the same. At least if you place it in the item placing not the housing plot

[neat vortex]

however, this helped me figure it out: you have to EXIT placement mode

this is what you get when you just select the item in your inventory and place it, WITHOUT being in placement mode first

silliness.

[grand vector]

Let me retry now

[neat vortex]

It used to show whenever you so much as nudged one.

[neat vortex]

Thank you, I was pretty flummoxed!

[grand vector]

Limit 11.

It would make sense for this to exist when you are literally in build mode x.x

[neat vortex]

It definitely used to, because I swap out my crafters all the time and every time I so much as picked one up to nudge it over, it would display that UI. I don't understand why it's gone from build and placement modes. Feedback time \o/

!feedback

[compact coral]

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[neat vortex]

Give me just a moment to send that in and then I'll get back to the actual question of layouts... thank you for bearing with the detour. You'll want to finish buying your crafter licenses (max is 30 placed) with priority, because those are one of the few things you can buy that let you make more money faster.

[neat vortex]

Okay @grand vector - I've got two layout options for you!

Here's the "a little of everything" layout, which I recommend more because it harvest boosts the cotton without fertilizer:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CCbPBkBBPBB-OTRBkCbBkRTO-CoOPTBkTPOCo-TPRBkCBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkCBkRPT-CoOTPBkPTOCo-OTRBkCbBkRTO-SpSpPSpSpBkPCbC

And here is the same one showing the fertilizer you'd need to apply in order to get it to 100% harvest boost: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HCbPBkBBPBB-O.HTR.HBkCb.HBkRTO-CoO.HP.HT.HBk.HT.HP.HO.HCo-T.HPRBkC.HBkR.HPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPR.HBkC.HBkRPT.H-CoO.HT.HP.HBk.HP.HT.HO.HCo-OTRBkCb.HBkR.HTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HCb.HC.H

More notes on this layout, including swaps and processing, HERE: #🌱│gardening message

There's also this version, which I've modified to have 4 tiles of cotton: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Co.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HPBkOW-OCbT.HBBBkBBO-Co.HBk.HT.HP.HC.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPC.HPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPC.HP.HT.HBk.HCo.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpT.HCb.HO.H-WOBkPT.HP.HBk.HO.HCo.H
(this link is the version with fertilizer, but it's all optional, technically)

In both of these layouts, wherever you see wheat, corn, or rice, you can plant ANY grain. I didn't specify all the grains because I figured I'd leave that up to you to customize so you don't get locked into one particular set. If you'd like me to do that, though, it's an easy sub.

Cotton will benefit you less and less, buff-wise, as you level up, because you stop needing the quality buff it gives.

At level 8, you already have a 66% chance for starred produce as long as you are planting starred seeds. As you approach level 25, this will only increase (by level 20 it's 90%).

So, unless you really want to be using sticky smoke bombs, you might want to consider swapping that cotton out for grains instead, at some point, for money reasons; but, for now, grow it while you still get some benefit. (Same with peppers.)

Also, although cabbage and carrots have their benefits when it comes to syncing up crop harvests, if you're growing a wide assortment of crops, that won't make any difference, and in my opinion they both represent a loss of earning potential. (Ditto, actually, with blueberries and peppers; slightly less so with blueberries, because at least they harvest boost their neighbors.)

To improve money-making, I suggest that you emphasize potatoes and bok choy first, then tomatoes as long as you come home often enough to harvest them while you are online. But if you like to go on marathon out-of-the-house sprees (hunting in Bahari for hours, lots of back-to-back cooking parties), then we can talk about optimizing for that.

So, that's that for the passive income part. For active income, if you feel comfortable with the idea, I highly suggest looking into participating in cooking parties for profit. They are some of the fastest ways to build capital.

[grand vector]

Thank you so much

[neat vortex]

Sure thing!

[hollow lynx]

Hi i'm looking for a good lay out for cake party's and to get food for focus... any tips?

[ashen garden]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PBBTBBPTR-AAAAAAAAA-BBRBBTPTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTPTBBRBB-AAAAAAAAA-RTPBBTBBP-AAAAAAAAA this is for cakes, you can swap out 1 or 2 blueberries for peppers (if you do chili oil dumplings for focus food like i do) since the output of blueberries is actually quite high ratio to apples

[neat vortex]

Are you looking to host the parties, or mostly attend as a guest?

[hollow lynx]

guest

[neat vortex]

Unless you regularly attend parties where the host doesn't start the recipe (not typical), you won't need blueberries, then, unless you just want to grow them for the heck of it. (Having blueberries in stock can even be a slight liability, as fruit froster!) - so, for maximum flexibility, you'd just need an apple tree or two, depending on your playtime.

What do you tend to cook for focus food? :)

[ashen garden]

this is a very good point actually

[humble plaza]

hmmmm..i was aiming to exploit apple trees harvesting, and sell the not starred ones, was doing the bulk way, just placing enough booster for 6 ticks

[neat vortex]

(and 12 ticks upon initial planting, right?)

(well... 11, because the plant only holds 11)

[neat vortex]

Depending on what you cook for focus food, plus how many growth ticks you get in per week vs how many rounds of cake you plan to attend* in a week, one of these will probably sort you out? Let me know if either looks suitable and I'll get you the planner link/we can discuss specific crops you might want to choose.

(*and also how many rounds of cake you are willing to take other roles for — it isn't strictly required to grow apples to participate in cake parties; it just gives you 3 additional role slots you are eligible to sign up for.)

One planting of 10 harvest boosted potato plants, assuming you get all star quality results and turn them into seeds to sell, is 3,600g in revenue — enough to pay for just over 48 rounds of batter ingredients, assuming I mathed that right.

And 48 rounds of cake at a typical star rate is 35.7k gold — so, y'know XD

[floral talon]

lol i got 3015 harvest boost XD

no wonder im out of inventory/storage space

[neat vortex]

holy schnikes

[floral talon]

who needs more then one glowwormer if iu had 100k in grilled fish to dump through it

[neat vortex]

ugh I made the mistake of putting pickled corn in my glow worms last night WITHOUT fully emptying the output bin first... everything stalled and I only got about 6 hours of processing in 😩 what a pain

so it just sat there for the rest of the night not doing anything

[floral talon]

😮 coins waste crafter time waste

[neat vortex]

(I store my backup fertilizer in my worm farms because the stuff I'm usually feeding them will not stall even with only 3 free spaces in the output bins)

but I guess 6 hours at 15g/hr is slightly better than zero, because I was totally out of meat etc.

it certainly wasn't 9 hours at 29g/hr, but such are the wages of being too tired to leave the virtual house for several days — that and an absolute giant honking pile of produce XD

[floral talon]

... i got over 50k coins in glowworms

[neat vortex]

I would HOPE, with 100k in grilled fish

[floral talon]

ran out of space in my ammo pouch so 10k coins here i come

well now u know why i got a farming layotu specifically designed for afk apples and lazy getting rid of fert lmao

wassup bunny

[hollow lynx]

i don't know much about cake partys yet cause i only did go to one and it was yesterday

and i did one of the sweat leaf

[grand vector]

hey psst, me again so hauling cash is something i need badly, so instead of all plants, I'm looking to see what can i do for high profit [i have the jar crafter, too!]. when i play the game i do play for at least 3+ hours if that means anything 🤔

actually wait! i found the link i lost x.x i'm all set 😄

[floral talon]

if u wanna know the real coin makers in the game 😈 we got those to

[grand vector]

😮 I'm intrigued

[floral talon]

epic fish cooking partys
(dont bring ur own fish be a leech) (and do overprepping)

the moneys u can make with a little bit of cooking and farming the ingredients to partake in it

[grand vector]

I have not done a party before.

I been playign since the game launched, and never did one 😭

[floral talon]

u dont wnat to or cannot?

[grand vector]

Social anxiety 😅

[floral talon]

is ok just keep talking to me more and the pure exposure therapy will remove that for you
im not joking
it can also help to just pretend everyone else is an NPC
u can even pretend ot be on switch so everyone thinks u cannot talk to them ...

[grand vector]

😮 true. I have the game on switch as well

[floral talon]

and if anyone is mean to you (unless u did something to deserve it which YOU totally wouldnt it sjust on them i mean lets face it u never do anything wrong everything is their fault no matter what)
its on them it sjust them not having passed kindergarten

[grand vector]

the closest to a party I did was sitting at a streamers house watching eveyrone cook cake x.x while watcghing their twitch x.x

[floral talon]

oh u dont actually have to play switch jsut lie to poeple in their face u get used to it its harmless anyways

[grand vector]

thanks for the laugh XD

[floral talon]

is ok social anxiety is all about changing ur perspective (unless traumatised or being around actuallky dangerous poeple or osmething which i highly doubt u are doing)

[floral talon]

that wasnt a joke though 😈

and besides u dont actually have to go to cooking party and be social
1 you just have to look around on the party app to find a cooking party that suits you
2 and while ur doing that might aswell sign up for one
3 and now ur signed up mihgt aswell bother to show up
4 and now you shown up mnight aswell do your role for moneys

[grand vector]

how do they work?

[floral talon]

5 and now ur a valueble member of the party might aswell talk to poeple but this is optional

[floral talon]

does what work?

[grand vector]

for the parties, i pick what I can bring to make?

[floral talon]

u select a party
a role u wanna do
(maybe talk wiht poeple about who does what and stuffoptional though i aint bothering with that)
u show up on the time they tell you
u do one step of the recipe every time they start the recipe once

[mint sandal]

Started attending sashimi and sushi party so needed to change my garden to include more rice. This is an all crops, 100% water retain/weed free layout (though I'll probably replace the cotton with more rice lol). Probably not the best but I couldn't be bothered to keep messing around with the planner anymore
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CBkPPRCrCbBkC-TOTCbBkCbTRT-PBkCWRPCBkCb-PSpSpOSpSpBkOT-AAAAAAAAA-BBPBBOTOBk-PRPTCbTOCO-BkOBkCoCbCoBkPBk-PRPTCbTOCO

[grand vector]

oh so instead of me going to all the statiosn like usual, i stikc to one and mkae that over and over until the party is done 🤔

[floral talon]

yeay pretty much sometimes u gotto wait for some one to finish their step or they wait for you and then they yell xrole do ur job and thhen u do it or not depneding on if u feel like trolling

you do that step thats urs and u get ur reward

[grand vector]

this is amazing 😭 thanks for sharing.

[grand vector]

thank you!

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

EVERYTHING GARDEN!!! (and ofcourse you can swap out onions with carrots and potatoes with tomatoes for example) i made this one

[floral talon]

if anyone givew u anxiety rclick block screw them they should be nice tyo you cuz u deserve it

[grand vector]

i love not having to bother with fertilizer lol

[grand vector]

appreciate it. I have blocked a few long ago cause some people are complete idiots i met. so i stayed away from playing with others for wuite some time x.x

[floral talon]

harvy boost u can ignore u just get less produce

[grand vector]

on my end I am seeing different numbers

[floral talon]

u tell me i started to get ptss from idiot exposure so manyu poeple who are just to annoying (metaphorically speaking)

[grand vector]

yea there were lots of these "treee huggers" that came into the game and would caps lock shout to not hit trees, depsite it being part of the game

[floral talon]

jsut pretend they are roleplayers or osmething

[mint sandal]

I need more rice than that, and I like to avoid using fert. I already was using this layout I made, I just needed more rice since I discovered sashimi/sushi parties and how much more lucrative they are vs cake parties
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-OTOCCbCBkTBk-AAAAAAAAA-PTPBkCOBBR-CCoCBkCrBkTCbT-PTPOCBkWBB-BBSpPTSpOCBk-SpOSpSpCSpTCbT-SpBBSpTPBkCO

[floral talon]

u al good to play wiht others in cooking partys now?
or do u need more exposure of me? (im not sure why but usually poeple stop havign anxiety after having dealt wiht me

[grand vector]

maybe not now but in the future x.x

a huge MAYBE

[floral talon]

its ok u can do it when u want to just dont let fear hold u back i mean whats the worse they can do make u block em ...

[mint sandal]

What do you mean? Which numbers?

[grand vector]

the screenshot of your harvest profit. I am seeing a very different amount when i click the link.

I noticed a lot of these here have been different amounts when i go to the links, assuming the game changes their profits?

[floral talon]

it varies depending on what u clicked on what it turns into the levels u slected and amount of days ...

[grand vector]

I see

[mint sandal]

Ah, that's cause we're most probably different gardening levels. I'm around level 50 so I have guaranteed star quality crop, if your level is lower you only have a certain chance to get star quality

[grand vector]

Ah okay. I am level 8 at th emoment so did not know there was some benefits as you level up too

been playing since day one and still learning >.>

[floral talon]

played since start of the game uhm how are u only lv 8 ?_?

[grand vector]

i took lots of breaks from gaming. i work in tech so work keeps me busy a lot , especailly months at a time

[floral talon]

anyways since u rlv 8 u need low level layouts

ur u really really hsould use low level layouts (totally unbiased advise)

[grand vector]

i think i am 8. logging in to check. i'll have to tinker with this planner thing.

[mint sandal]

Tbf I used to almost never tend to my garden. I started playing in may and only started actually gardening maybe 3 months ago. I didn't see the point and it was bothering to have to drop everyrhing just to go water/weed my garden

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

[floral talon]

well once u know how growthticks works its way easier

[mint sandal]

I'm still not sure how those work but since I discovered I can make a self-watering and self-weeding garden I feel less stressed about it and end up tending to it more often

[floral talon]

makes sense i often skip a harvest just cuz cant be bothered athh that m,oment

[grand vector]

yea i want to do minimal as possibel cause i spend hours tryign to get the fish for the bundles x.x

[mint sandal]

I still have to catch a few too, not looking forward to it cause my luck is bad

[floral talon]

uhm theres kinda a problem with that sinc eur low level u need the quality up buff and its real hard to make all buffs layouts
and weedwhacker ahcivement

AND U NEED TONS OF COTTON
and some spicy pepeprs probs

[grand vector]

i tried 6 hours yesterday to get a Blue Marlin and lost him at the very end everytime

[floral talon]

wait hjow the heck did u ever do cooking if u dont garden

[floral talon]

exquisite rod + fishermansbrew (sushi sashimi fishstew optional incase of switch)

[mint sandal]

Buy from Badruu I suppose

[floral talon]

HERESY

here in gardening we garden our own crops like hte makers of palia intended

[mint sandal]

That's just a guess, I only resort to that when I need more for cooking parties on short notice

[floral talon]

BLASPHEMY!!!

[mint sandal]

I still grow my stuff, sometimes I just gotta buy a lil extra to have enough when I sign up for a cooking party at the last minute. Can't grow 200 rice in 30 minutes, now, can I?

[floral talon]

but ur not allowed to bring unstarred produce into those

[mint sandal]

The ones I've been to I am. I asked

[floral talon]

😱

[mint sandal]

Still ended up with mostly starred food

[floral talon]

-cries in buying from badruu-

[neat vortex]

As long as you're OP and the starred produce gets prepped first, you're in good shape

Only the first thing to get finished ends up in the dish. It's been a "hack" for epic fish tacos, because corn takes so long to grow

[grand vector]

okay Level 9 gardening, halfway to 10 😄 i always crash when i first launch teh game x.x

[floral talon]

Wait poeple have to do more then a few of those partys wth they spend their coins on O:

[neat vortex]

winterlights decor

[grand vector]

do we know if they plan to let us have as many garden plots as we want? be nice to have specific food types paired with each other in different designs for gardens

[neat vortex]

No, it's 9 total per player

I sincerely doubt they will increase it, and IF they do (biiiig if) it will be when they add more crops again

and almost certainly not removing the limit

[grand vector]

sucks. it would add so much more garden designs

[neat vortex]

gardening is very tightly balanced since it's passive income

[grand vector]

makes sense. people may garden plot the entire house area

[neat vortex]

I've definitely had people say they wanted to do that lol

[grand vector]

x.x and this why we cant have nice things lol

[neat vortex]

I mean, you could do it in other games (that weren't multiplayer in the same way)

[mint sandal]

Zeki coins, snow stuff rn, house add-ons

I haven't even started buying the backyard stuff

[fading aspen]

hows this? the blueberries can be exchanged with peppers, and water for water crops, weed for weed crop, i tried to get harvest water and weed for 2 apples here: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-COPPTOAAA-TRTCOCPTP-POCOTPAAA-AAAAAAOCR-RCRRORPTP-AAAAAARCO-PTRBBCBBO-OCOTCTPOP-RTPCBBOBB
purely going for max rice while fully watered and weedless i have this edited bullseye, again exchange crops however you need to suit your needs: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPBkCRWBkCoT-CTPRCoRPBkC-BkCTWRPTCoBk-PRCTWBkCRP-RWRPTCRWR-PRCBkWTCRP-BkCoTPRWTCBk-CBkPRCoRPTC-TCoBkWRCBkPT
and im gonna see if theres a different actual max rice, might be messy if it even works

this is unhinged without weedblock but if you ever needed to make 84 starred rice in a single harvest i made this: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WRCoRPTCoTR-RWRPTPWRCo-CoRWTPRRTCo-RPCoWTRRPW-RPRPTPRPR-WPRRTWCoPR-CoTRRPTWRCo-CoRWPTPRWR-RTCoTPRCoRW yes corners arent watered but its wheat so noone cares :)) its there for the boost

or if you like watering and need knapweed...... https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR-RRRWWWRRR

[solid fox]

Quick question - is there any way you could pick up soils and put it in your inventory? I tried but it did not work... Also I understand we can remove plants from soils. Can we also remove fertilizers from soils?

[crisp tide]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbWBkWCrPCSpSp-CoPCoCrRCrRPR-BkWCbPCrWBBO-CoSpSpTCbTCoBB-AAAAAAAAA-BBCoTCbTSpSpCo-OBBWCrPCbWBk-RPRCrRCrCoPCo-SpSpCPCrWBkWCb thoughts on this one? I feel like it's not that good but I like it being somewhat semetrical

[floral talon]

u can add different ferts ... removing is ouch

so to remove soil u just swap it for weedblokc or osmething first or for quality up cuz ur never using the quality up buff that much in later stages of the game

[floral talon]

it dont 100% any buff u sitll have to water weed and almost 100% harvy boost

[crisp tide]

So what would be a good way to have all crops

I would love an all crops farm that has 100% water and weed

[floral talon]

uhm i got one that doesnt include cotton thats the best one i got

[crisp tide]

Does it use fetilizer? Cuz I prefer not

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

EVERYTHING GARDEN!!! (and ofcourse you can swap out onions with carrots and potatoes with tomatoes for example)

[floral talon]

u can use some harvy boost with it and it uses 1 water retain

[floral talon]

then its not possible cuz spicy peppers are useless and u cant have 3 buffs on the corners with fert

[crisp tide]

Hmm I see what you mean

[floral talon]

but of course not using harvyboost fert wont break a layout it just laowers hte production

th eone i sent u could chose ot not use fert but yeay it also needs way less harvyboostfert if u swap peppersfor bluebrrys

[crisp tide]

Yeah, I'll have to think about it more

[floral talon]

if u can get rid of the need for some crops that helps to XD

i never use spicypeppers anymore for example and got plenty of fabric stockpiled

[crisp tide]

Yeah now that you mention it I have 100s of pepper and same with rice, I guess I could go without them

I guess what I mainly need is tomatoes and wheat, and cotton is always useful to havea bit of

[floral talon]

i mean rice is used in some things at least but yeay u can swap every 1 tile harvybuff plant out for rice once u need it again so that corp si flexible

[crisp tide]

Oh yeah rice 100% is useful but I have no rush for it right now and can always switch it with wheat or somehting]

[floral talon]

i personally think blueberrys are also useless unles u start cake recipes in partys XD
spicypeppers meh cakes from cakepartys best food
cotton uhm u kinda end up not crafting anything with it eventually so u can do some runs with just that to stockpile the furniture of that type i guess
so my "everything" layouts would be different from most poeple also wont really be everything layouts XD

[ashen garden]

cant imagine who would ever make non starred cakes

[floral talon]

I eat both from cakepartys but yeay a huge chunk in cakepartys end up unstarred

[ashen garden]

idk you clearly doin the wrong parties then are people not bringing starred stuff

[mint sandal]

Ooh! I like that 1st

[floral talon]

Star chance aint 100% and poeple run out of starred sweetlraf

[ashen garden]

oh i know that im saying you should do starred sweetleaf parties

but even without starred sweetleaf in my experience its usually a 80/20 split

[floral talon]

It varies i just been less lucky most times but dont worry ik how tk party

[neat vortex]

Picking up your garden

Yes, you can pick up garden soil plots to put them in inventory, but they have to be empty (no crops, no fertilizer) and untilled (no visible tiles).
👉 From 0.193, soil CAN have fertilizer on it when picked up. Fertilizer goes to your inventory.

• Removing stubborn crops: Equip hoe, aim at the crop you want to destroy, hold right-click/secondary action button until health bar depletes. You do not get the seed back.
• Untilling: Soil plot tiles "untill" themselves 48 hours real time after they were last tilled. The only thing you can do is wait, but you can grow crops on the tiles in the meantime, as long as you don't till them again.

Removing Fertilizer (if you need to for other reasons)

• Removing fertilizer, cheap method: You can't directly remove it completely (at least not without wasting a multi-tile crop seed), but you can swap it. For any tile that has MULTIPLE fertilizer, put 1 unit of a different fertilizer on it. This will pull the original fertilizer out of the soil and into your bag, but will leave the singular fertilizer you added. To use up that last fertilizer, plant any cheap seed and water it in. (I tend to use those unstarred carrot seeds you get from tilling sometimes.) Make sure the crop does NOT have the same buff as the fertilizer from any neighboring crops, or the fertilizer will not be consumed. Wait 1 growth tick, then destroy the plant; or, if you want, keep watering it until it grows out and harvest it.
• Removing fertilizer, expensive method: Planting a multi-tile crop over a tile that has fertilizer on it pulls up ALL fertilizer in the soil. An apple seed will technically cover a whole soil plot... but then you must either destroy the seed OR wait 30 growth ticks for the tree to complete its life cycle. You could also use spicy pepper seeds or batterfly bean seeds (since they are cheaper/arguably free) depending on the location and number of tiles you are trying to clear.

[neat vortex]

I wonder if something like this one would do what you need? Variant of my "all the everything" cooking garden with cotton on the corners instead of grains. (Two more of the grains can be swapped for cotton without affecting the trees/bushes, too; or make the cotton a grain instead for better harvest boost coverage.)

The peppers can be blueberries instead, which will improve harvest boost percentage; and obviously you can swap any of the single-tile crops for their same-buff companions as long as they all have "a buddy, not a twin."

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoOBkPTPBkOR-OCbTSpSpBkSpSpO-RBkTPCPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-CrOTPCPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPCPTBkR-OBBBkBBTCbO-ROBkPTPBkOCo

I also have a version that has only one apple tree, if that's better.

[neat vortex]

Here's the one-of-each version (though without cotton; I'd put cotton in either where the wheat is or where the rice is (or one of each): https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CCbPBkBBPBB-OTRBkCbBkRTO-WOPTBkTPOW-TPRBkOBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkOBkRPT-CrOPTBkTPOCr-OTRBkCbBkRTO-SpSpPSpSpBkPCbC
@mint sandal Would this one maybe do what you are wanting, since you needed more rice?

[mint sandal]

Ngl, I was tinkering again and was making one with similar crop numbers but yours is a lot more havest boosted

[neat vortex]

Nice!

[crisp tide]

Thank you that is awesome! what do you have for 1 apple tree, i'd love to see

[neat vortex]

It's the one I just posted above, lemme grab a screenshot. With cotton, right?

Also I never want to discourage tinkering XD tinkering is how we get innovations!

In my experience, it's hard to fully grasp the patterns of how things work until you start playing around with the garden planner and also start planting crops yourself (to learn what makes a layout more helpful or more annoying for you personally as a gardener)

(I tend to personally really prize symmetry and repeating patterns so they are easier to "hold in my head," for example)

[crisp tide]

Oh dw I've been doing that a lot, I think me and my friend came up with something I kinda like, not as much weed prevention but a lot of harvest boost and I think I kinda like it? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoTCbWSpSpCbSpSp-WOTWTWRPR-CbWCoBkCrTPCP-T.QBBCr.QBBRCrT-AAAAAAAAA-TCrRBBCrBBT.Q-PCPTCrBkCoWCb-RPRWTWTOW-SpSpCbSpSpWCbTCo

It's not the best but it makes sure I don't have to tend to my farm too often while also making sure I get quite a bit of everything I need

[neat vortex]

this one is giving └(°◡°)┐

[crisp tide]

I wish I knew if that was good or bad

[neat vortex]

It made me giggle in a good way; it's just the visual pattern of the apple and blueberry/pepper bushes, that's all :)

a dancing garden \o/

[crisp tide]

Ohhhh, yeah my friend did that and I was too lazy to try move things around, i kinda wish I wasn't

[solid fox]

Ren, THANK YOU THANK YOU!

[crisp tide]

Every month I shall change it from └(°◡°)┐ to ┐(°◡°)└

Attempt was made

[neat vortex]

I got the gist, bahaha

[crisp tide]

Getting back to the game after months of not being able to play and trying to make a garden felt like hell, for over 20 ingame days while being on I was scared to touch anything

[neat vortex]

Aw geez, I can imagine... seems like you're getting back into the swing of things, though :)

[neat vortex]

Here's the one I linked Astraea but with cotton subbed in: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CCbPBkBBPBB-OTRBkCbBkRTO-CoOPTBkTPOW-TPRBkOBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkOBkRPT-CrOPTBkTPOCo-OTRBkCbBkRTO-SpSpPSpSpBkPCbC

[crisp tide]

Ohhh I like that one a lot, might take that one off your hands :3
Thank you for all the help, I shall get back to leveling up my gardening as if it's not my most hates skill in that game!

[covert spindle]

Question, does harvest boosting from fertilizer vs crop mix stack or no?

[ashen garden]

nope, you only get one at a time, if a harvest fert boosted crop is next to a boosting crop the fertiliser isnt used

[ashen garden]

see this for more info

[covert spindle]

Thanks for the tip! Another gardening question: do glow worms ever produce speedygro?

And if so, what should I feed them to cause that

[neat vortex]

They used to, but not anymore; changed in patch 0.180 with the big econ update. Now both regular worm farms and glow worm farms produce harvest boost with savory items and qualityup with sweet items.
See this sheet for more details on what gives how much, but the formulas dictating the amounts didn't change from before, just which farm gives which fertilizer for which input. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit#gid=1206330854

The only way to obtain speedygro now is via gardening guild medals, but I personally think they made this change in part because speedygro has been so bugged for so long and they hadn't been able to find a fix for it.

(Speedygro was double bugged: iirc, not only was it inconsistent about applying the bonus growth ticks unless you were physically on your plot at 6AM, but it also ended up that harvest-boosted crops that were also speed boosted would skip getting the HB buff applied on some growth ticks, leading to less than 100% chance at the bonus yield. Surprise!)

I suspect that the only reason it's not been taken out of the game entirely is that it's required for one quest if you choose a certain dialogue option

[humble plaza]

i counted 3 harvests, so, 2 ticks per apples to spawn, not counting the seeds to grow full

[neat vortex]

Er, I'm not sure what you mean, but it's 12 ticks to first harvest, and then 6 ticks to each subsequent harvest (3 total)

30 Palian days in total

[floral talon]

unles u use glitchy speedygrow fert but oof pricy

[humble plaza]

oh, well, thanks for the correction about the total amount of ticks till first harvest, we can agree its 18 in total then?

[neat vortex]

I think we might be talking about different things! Can you say what you mean when you say ticks?

[drifting violet]

I wanted to share my Everything Garden based off of one that Ren posted, but I keep getting flagged by Auto-Mod LOL

[rare rivet]

It's because of the markup [name](link). It's blocked

[floral talon]

uhm u gotto share link without the [][[][][]blabla

[drifting violet]

Oh boo, okay 🤣

Here we go then! It's aesthetically terrible and replanting is a pain in the butt, but it works

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OTPCBBCbBB-CCbWBkPCRTO-CoOCbTCTPOCr-TCbWBkOBkRPCb-AAAAAAAAA-TPWBkCBkCrPT-CoCTCbBkPTOCo-OTCrCPBkRCbC-SpSpPSpSpBkPCbO

[rare rivet]

It's due to scams such as "Omg you won this awesome thing!! Click to win a prize". So we had to block it.

[drifting violet]

That makes a lot of sense! 💕 thank you for the clarification

[humble plaza]

aren't ticks 0600?? when growing magic happens??

[floral talon]

yup but only when online and once after

[neat vortex]

Okay, same thing, then! In that case, yes, an apple tree requires 30 total growth ticks:
12 to first harvest
6 more to second harvest
6 more to third
last 6 to fourth

Are you seeing something different?

[humble plaza]

server time never stops, so a tick is always waiting for me to come online, and activate my plot

[neat vortex]

Ooh, you evened out the numbers! Nice work. I wonder if it might be worth it to tweak some of the positions and make the overall layout more symmetrical - could that make it less of a pain to replant? 🤔

[humble plaza]

may i suggest something, is there a proyect to make flower's seeds from grown flowers to look different when at inventory??

[neat vortex]

That is an excellent suggestion, and I would recommend submitting it here so the devs see it: https://palia.info/feedback

[floral talon]

not to my knowledge

[neat vortex]

!feedback for the whole spiel

[compact coral]

Feedback & Suggestions

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• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[humble plaza]

is not that of an issue when you pick'em and try to put them, you can say what it is, and put them in protected chest maybe, lol

oh, proly put the "bags" like the crops seeds, for flowers

[drifting violet]

Equal numbers make my lizard brain happy 🤭

I would love to try and make it more symmetrical! ATM I was more focused on keeping (relatively) even numbers of crops for the splits primarily, the actual “laying things out so things are neater” makes eyes go cross after a point 😂

[neat vortex]

Meanwhile, "fiddling with things until they are tidier" is my favorite thing to do, so, just for fun, I took a general stab at it XD

Here is the base version with your more-even crop numbers (as opposed to the money-optimized-ish version linked before), but more symmetrical, and with no cotton: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CPCbBkBBCbBB-OCbWBkTBkWCbO-ROPTCTPOR-TPCrCBkCCrPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCrCBkCCrPT-ROPTCTPOR-OCbWBkTBkWCbO-SpSpCbSpSpBkCbPC

The base version works so you can substitute cotton for any grain in the grain pairs in the outer ring. Here's how one version of that (with even numbers of grains/cotton) could look:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CPCbBkBBCbBB-OCbCoBkTBkWCbO-ROPTCTPOR-TPCrCBkCCrPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCoCBkCCrPT-CoOPTCTPOR-OCbWBkTBkWCbO-SpSpCbSpSpBkCbPC

[neat vortex]

cotton sub version (one possible iteration of it, anyway):

[drifting violet]

Let it be so known that I appreciate you. 💕

[jagged osprey]

Anybody having a problem with crop plots dissapearing?

I picked my crops, left my plot and when I came back the empty plots were gone. I had the max ammount and can't buy them back

[quasi jackal]

im trying to rush to lvl 10 for garding whats the best plant to do it with? im lvl 9 more the half way there

[chrome harness]

How's this lol

[neat vortex]

How to Level Gardening

(*read: effectively, because there is not really a "fast" or "quick" way. Gardening XP is highly gated by playtime.)

Gardening XP is earned when you harvest your crops. Watering, weeding, harvest yield, and harvest quality have no effect on XP amount (though you may want yield and quality for other reasons). Plants that do not require garden soil, like decorative trees and flowers, give no gardening XP.

When harvested, all crops give the same amount of XP per tile per growth tick, so grow whatever suits you, as long as you keep it rolling. See here for math: https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Experience#Gardening

General Tips

• Harvest/replant promptly (keep on top of your seed stocks)
• Upgrade your focus bonus to max (and if you're growing apples already, make sure your focus bar capacity is at least 300)
• Make sure you eat before/during harvesting!!
• Increase your soil plots as soon as you can (max 9 per player)

and you should be good!

XP layouts

Any layout that will let you stay on top of things and not miss any growth ticks will work well!

A self-watering, self-weeding layout can help make sure you are getting all of your growth ticks in.

If you can share more about what seeds you have available, what you want to grow, etc., we can help you find a layout to suit your needs, but for XP, it's really just consistency above all.

Extra strats:

If your playtime is highly limited, try to time your logins to be before the growth tick (occurs at 6AM Palia Time, which is at 15 minutes past the real-time hour in most timezones) to quickly tend and replant, stay online until just past the growth tick, then tend and replant one more time before you log off again.

Since your garden finishes the growth tick it has started when you log off (as long as you are offline through the next growth tick), this can get you two growth ticks on your garden for ~20 minutes of online time.

[neat vortex]

Bet you could take the fertilizer off that center tree :D

What are you aiming for with this layout, Catastrophix? Money? AFKability? Tell us more \o/

[chrome harness]

Money mostly lol 😆 I'm just testing some things out, so far this has been making me money but I'm also open to suggestions

Everything stays watered except my cabbage 🤔

[neat vortex]

I think that you probably don't need fertilizer on a good chunk of those plants! That may save you some time/money, not that the fert you have down is being consumed on those tiles as it is

[chrome harness]

Ohhhh okok

[neat vortex]

Do you have the garden planner link to that layout handy by any chance?

[chrome harness]

Not at the moment currently away from my pc

[neat vortex]

no prob!

[neat vortex]

Okay, here we go, I recreated your layout (without fertilizer, so we can see the buff distribution a little better): https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-BkCCbCWTCbRBk-AAAAAAAAA-CbTBkCWRBkCCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbCBkRWCBkTCb-AAAAAAAAA-BkRCbTWCCbCBk-AAAAAAAAA

I like the symmetry you have going; it was very easy to put into the planner, and easy to comprehend in general!

[chrome harness]

Oohh thank youu

[neat vortex]

I think we can probably nudge the base numbers a bit, though.

You are SO close to a 100% self-watering/self-weeding layout

Can you tell me more about why you chose each crop?

[chrome harness]

I was looking at what would make me the most money, so when I saw the amount I can make in 30 days is $128,897, so $4,297 a day i felt was a good amount ontop of other stuff to make money. I jar a lot of the non star items I grow and sell that to make a profit.

[neat vortex]

Okay, cool, so just optimizing based on gold per tile per growth tick (Palian day)?

Not using anything for cooking, or whatever?

[chrome harness]

A friend of mine helped me come up with it. I use some for cooking not all. Yeah per palian days I'm pretty sure I just started it so I'm still seeing what happens and how long it takes

[neat vortex]

Nice!

What level gardening are you right now, and how often do you like to tend your garden?

[chrome harness]

Idk off the top of my head aha 😅 and quite often, i check as much as I can when I am on few times a day irl

[neat vortex]

Okay, neat

So, what I'm thinking of, in that case, is this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/
I see you've already discovered the power of rice and bok choy (and harvest boost!) :D

I wonder if different water retain crops might serve your playstyle better, though. If you like to check your garden often, like at least once every other hour when you are online, then I think you might do REALLY well with a combination of potatoes and tomatoes, especially if you can arrange to seed the potatoes (and also your bok choy)

Tomatoes are better when you aren't out of the house/AFK-but-online for long stretches; you have to come home and pluck them about every other IRL hour (maybe a little longer than that if you time it tightly around the growth ticks)

(assuming you have a self-watering, self-weeding layout, anyway, because if you don't, then you have to come home more often than that anyway to tend stuff)

Carrots and onions, by the way, are basically identical in terms of gold per tile per growth tick. The main difference is whether you care about cooking (onions are used more), or syncing up your harvests with your apples (carrots), or being able to feed pickled onions to your worms for additional profit/HB fert overnight (onions), or very very fast processing (carrots).

(Fast processing is not always a benefit, though, if it leaves your crafters sitting idle for long periods)

I personally tend to grow onions because they are a little more "spacing-out proof" (and because poke parties for profit), but that's me.

Napa cabbage's main advantage is when you are out of the house for hours and hours at a stretch, or logged on to Palia but busy doing other things and just idling.

It takes 6 ticks to grow (compared to 5 ticks for potatoes), but even after processing, only pulls in 30g per tile per growth tick (before harvest boost), compared to 48 for potatoes (again before harvest boost, and assuming you turn the potatoes into seeds to sell, and not counting processing time)

Apple trees are also really only middling in terms of gold per tile per day, BUT their main advantage is that they take the amount of labor involved with your garden WAY down.

Because they sit on 9 tiles, if you keep them watered and weeded with companion planting, then those 9 tiles require NO work to be nicely productive for the whole 30 ticks they are growing, other than topping off their fertilizer (or not even that, if they're harvest boosted through companion planting, like your center apple tree is right now)

Anyway, I'm rambling a lot 😅 To summarize, here are some suggestions to tweak your layout for more gold:

• aim for 100% water retain and 100% weedblock so you don't lose growth ticks
• once you have it watered and weeded, then see if you can push up harvest boost before fertilizer

Crop swap ideas to improve gold per tile per growth tick:

• try out potatoes instead of cabbage, with tomatoes as the other water retain crop (emphasize tomatoes if you want to do less replanting)
• consider having more bok choy and less carrots
• try the setting with making your bok choy and potatoes into seeds instead of jarring them
• maybe switch to onions instead of carrots? (but it doesn't matter that much, and you can always trade them out at will if you ever need onions for cooking)
• CONSIDER a 4-apple layout and see if you can get that Harvest Boost buff on all 4 apples through companion planting :D (but you might not need to do that if you like the lower labor of fewer single-tile crops/don't mind using fertilizer on your apples)

[wanton root]

is it possible to have a garden with every crop that’s self sustaining

this is the closest i got :/

[red coral]

This was the layout I was using for a completely self watering, no weed garden with every crop in game!

[wanton root]

thanks 🙂

[ashen garden]

somehow both extremely cursed and also extremely good well done

[red coral]

Tell me about it. Replanting it the first, say, 50 times was a nightmare until I started remembering the layout and going one crop at a time (literally harvest all the carrots and replant them only then do the next crop) it was so tedious but at least I learned a lot! Now I'm a tried and true chaos garndener

[floral talon]

Yes

[ashen garden]

one mistake ending ur whole career

there must simply be a better way like maybe alternating between a few focused layouts

[red coral]

Until I learned I could destroy a crop.......probably around 500 hours in

[ashen garden]

now thats career ending

idk i know i can destroy crops (although i started playing before that was added) but it feels wrong, one does not simply break the seeds it is illegal

[red coral]

Past gardening level 50 and it really doesn't matter much to me, since I always have 3 seed makers going for profit and replanting anyway!

[floral talon]

I just use layouts i wont mess up planting

[neat vortex]

absolutely! Would you be okay with two apple trees and two bushes (either one blueberry/one pepper or two of one type)?

(It gets a little tougher if you need 3+ bushes)

[fading aspen]

FINE i'll try 3 bushes

i even got 4 bushes, no harvest though https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CTTBkPPPCB-CAABkAABAA-ABkCATPAPC-TBkBPBBBkBB-BPTBkCBkTPB-BBBkBBPBBkT-CPAPTACBkA-AABAABkAAC-BCPPPBkTTC

oh right, all crops... got carried away, time to reconvene

done https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OPCbBkWPPCSp-CAABkAASpAA-ABkOAPCbACoO-TBkSpPBBBkBB-SpTPBkCBkPTB-SpSpBkSpSpPBBkT-ORACbPAOBkA-AABAABkAAC-BCPPCrBkCbPO

not much grain, but i got 4 bushes in and even got 1 quality and 1 harvest apple tree

edited to make it prettier/better value

also before i forget, 3 bush version https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OPCbBkWPPCSp-CAABkAASpAA-ABkOAPCbACoO-TBkSpPBBBkBB-SpTPBkCBkPTP-SpSpBkSpSpPCoBkT-ORACbPAOBkA-AARAABkAAC-WCPPCrBkCbPO

[mint sandal]

I have a 2 apples 2 blueberries, 2 peppers every crop garden that's 100% water retain/weed block
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-OTOCCbCBkTBk-AAAAAAAAA-PTPBkCOBBR-CCoCBkCrBkTCbT-PTPOCBkWBB-BBSpPTSpOCBk-SpOSpSpCSpTCbT-SpBBSpTPBkCO

[neat vortex]

I quite like this one

though by the time most people have apple trees (level 10), if you are planting star seeds (which should be every harvest after your first or maybe second), then quality up isn't as beneficial as harvest boost (plus unstarred fruit is impossible to get later, except via rummage pile RNG)

[drifting violet]

Ren posted one that I based an Everything Garden on a few days back, too 🤭 there are plenty of options oh I didn't scroll.

[neat vortex]

No answer yet on whether my 2-apple, 2-bush "all the everything" one will meet Ellie's needs, so I haven't linked that one yet XD

The Discord search feature is quite powerful, though

I use it all the time to find other layouts folks have created before I even so much as knew Palia existed

[floral talon]

hey ren i did notice literly noone requests fruits or fruit seeds anymore since they changed the how to get first seeds mechancis

[neat vortex]

I still see them occasionally, but it's more often when someone is about to ruin a recipe because someone forgot to click "use starred" :X

[floral talon]

i literly never see that happen

[neat vortex]

(or when someone is in a hurry and forgot to make seeds)

[floral talon]

i had my stash of unstarred for months decided to just use it since noone ever requests them

[neat vortex]

Mostly I see wheat requests, occasionally onion. Saw a couple for apples recently, and some blueberry seed requests, too

[floral talon]

mh maybe game puts me in servers were the poeple just play different hten i gues

[neat vortex]

Maybe so

[mint sandal]

When you thought you were done with your all crops 100% water/weed layout and realize you missed a single crop with the weed block buff smack dab in the middle

[floral talon]

mew u can ignore it its unlikely to get the weed to spawn there anywyas

[neat vortex]

But more often the "forgot to click unstarred" has happened either at parties (when the starter is newer to the game) or when I'm going to help someone with cooking and they start the recipe before I can explain :x

[floral talon]

haha alright i forgot ur the type to constantly help out newbies with cooking

[neat vortex]

if the weed has nowhere else to go... where else is it going to spawn?

weeds on tomatoes, too, oof

[floral talon]

it tries to spawn it on a spot first it dont reroll after

[floral talon]

i mean thats kinda the plant that hsould care the least since u gotto constantly harvest it

[neat vortex]

But if it gets a weed and you MISS it, then it ends up out of sync and it's a pain in the rear

[floral talon]

one plant deadcenter is ignorable

though not satisfactory of OCD

[neat vortex]

If someone is saying they want 100% then "meh" is not the answer they are looking for...

[floral talon]

i swear most the time no weed will spawn on that plant till its done growing

[neat vortex]

chances are good, anyway

[floral talon]

and since tomato is 4 2 2 anyways u might mis one or 3 ticks most

[neat vortex]

Anyway, Astrea, how can we help?

[mint sandal]

Not gonna chance it though, cause if it does it's gonna mess everything up since it prevents buffs iirc. Even though I don't like using fert I might tey and make some weed block and dump it in so I don't have to worry about it

[floral talon]

yes astrea how can WE help 😈
but remember im basically a genie be cvarefull what u wish for

[neat vortex]

Weeds fortunately do not prevent buffs!

[floral talon]

weeds can cause timetraveling though but u need at least 9 for that

[neat vortex]

tbh a seed doesn't even have to be watered in the first time to buff its neighbors, pretty silly — just has to exist on the tile

[mint sandal]

Pretty sure they do, I remember coming back to my plots with crops unwatered when they should be because weeds were there

[floral talon]

it only unwaters the plant it is on

[neat vortex]

^

[mint sandal]

Which I don't wanna worry about so weed block fert it is

Do I make that in worm or glow worm farm?

[floral talon]

hery im just saying since its 1/81 spots and tomato needs harvesting every 2 days u can chose to not care

[neat vortex]

Weedblock has to be bought from the General Store, cannot be crafted

[floral talon]

since u gotto pluck it then anyways and might aswell go water and weed it again

[mint sandal]

Oh, boo, why? Ugh...

[floral talon]

but yes u could also ch ose to not care about using literly only 1 fert XD

[mint sandal]

Yeah, but I like not having to worry about my garden being messed up by weeds and let it do it's thing while I do stuff

[floral talon]

dump 99 weedblocks on it then its future you in 100 growthticks problem hehe

[mint sandal]

Am just gonna sacrifice a rice and buff the tomato lol

Idk why I didn't see that

[floral talon]

ur right and it wont even reduce ur harvy buf

[mint sandal]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-TBkRPCCoTBkR-TBkTPCPTBkT-BkCBkPTBTOB-PCBBTBBPC-BWRBPOBkCbC-RBkSpCTSpOPT-SpRBkSpCrPOCCb-AAAAAAAAA

[floral talon]

u do now though ur poor aples aint getting harvybuff

you monster

[mint sandal]

It's fine, I have a stockpile of apples already, and now that I've discovered epic/rare sashimi/sushi parties I don't really feel like dealing with cake parties anymore

[neat vortex]

The more layouts I see, the more I dislike those 2x2 bushes lmao

they cause so many problems for so little return

[mint sandal]

Right? It's always the bushes messing me up

[floral talon]

i got this whole number theory that putting 2x2 and a 3x3 of 3x3s is just pure cursed

[neat vortex]

Maybe someday we'll have 12 total soil plots

[floral talon]

which i base on nothing but my gutfeeling (but im right nayways so who cares about lack of evidence)

[neat vortex]

and we'll all get a free pony, too

[floral talon]

but i want a unicorn

[mint sandal]

Maybe when they add new crops like the lettuce they gave by accident

[floral talon]

would be nice to get an actual moneyh crop that like gives 0 buffs interesting it would be

[floral talon]

u are hte smart

[neat vortex]

Oh yeah that would be an interesting opportunity cost type puzzle...

[floral talon]

however i do not understand why get 2 apples if u say u dont need em 😮

and what u need blues for if not cake

[mint sandal]

Ty, ty

[mint sandal]

Idk, I think am just used to having 2 bloobs and apples. I turn them into jam

Maybe I should do a layout with just 1 of each

[neat vortex]

Blueberries are really not great if you're only solo processing, ngl

[mint sandal]

Oh, I process most of my excess crops, not just bloobs

[neat vortex]

Yes, sorry, I meant compared to other crops

[mint sandal]

I don't understand the stats and math enough to maximise everything

Am not a math person lol

[floral talon]

i only know its super awkward to have lots of different crops if ur not gonna do anything wiht em cuz layout logic and cabbage is awesome

[neat vortex]

cabbage is ONLY awesome if you hate touching your garden more than once every 6 hours lol

[floral talon]

... guilty

[neat vortex]

it's great if that's you, but otherwise it's solidly meh

[mint sandal]

I like to have at least 1 of everything so I always have some starred produce on hand

[neat vortex]

Fortunately, as long as you've got tiles for all the types of single-tile crops (waterers, weeders, harvest boosters) then all of those can be swapped at will if you ever need to refill them

[mint sandal]

I don't really care about cotton though, I don't make much furniture that needs it or fabric these days

[neat vortex]

and just one or two spaces for bushes (with an alternate layout for those soil plots when you don't) will keep you sorted there

imo apples are generally worth it despite their middling revenue simply because they are so hands-off

but even so, 1 or 2 is plenty unless you are a FF specialist and either have low playtime or high attendance

(in my opinion; everybody's situation is a little different)

and if you have low playtime AND high attendance then you might want to consider switching to batter 😂

(the return on investment is better, anyway)

Astrea, would you find a numberless "ranking" of crop revenue to be useful, or neh?

Maximizing anything is always optional; I just find it interesting to think about, so I talk about it a lot (because that's what's fun for me)

[mint sandal]

Yes, actually

[neat vortex]

Here, to show proportions; but you can just use it as an ordered list if you like.

[mint sandal]

Thanks!

[neat vortex]

Onion has a * because you can add an additional chunk of value by chucking some of your starred pickled onions into a regular worm farm, making it equal to starred pickled corn. (It just increases the processing time and the number of crafter slots required, is all.)

[floral talon]

THE CABBAGE IS A LIE

[mint sandal]

Oh?

[floral talon]

be back later

[neat vortex]

IF you are harvesting on time. If you are waiting, then cabbage can be nicer. So cabbage is good for those people who like to spend hours and hours in Bahari and procrastinate coming home, for example, or perhaps people who are idling while working from home, but who don't have time to even go pick their tomatoes.

[floral talon]

or poeple like me with most profit/effort ...

[neat vortex]

Yeah, so, everybody's a little different :)

[mint sandal]

Ok, so for me who doesn't tend to the garden every palia day (and don't play every day) what should I prioritize?

[neat vortex]

When you have tomatoes planted, are you often having to re-water them because you took too long to come harvest them?

[mint sandal]

Well usually by the time I harvest them I have to replant other stuff nearby so I water then when needed. I never really noticed

[neat vortex]

If you are harvesting your tomatoes on time, and they are watered/weeded by companion plants, then they will never need watering even once the whole 10 growth ticks they are growing.

So if you are regularly having to re-water them because of a harvesting delay, then maybe cabbage would be better. Maybe.

[mint sandal]

Never had problems with weeds since I 100% the weed block, but I don't always harvest on time, that's for sure

[neat vortex]

nodnod

[mint sandal]

I always 100% water retain too

Allows me to not have to run back home all the time and just deal with thw garden when I feel like it or run low on crops

[neat vortex]

Yepyep

Tomatoes give you 4 hours on first planting, then they need to be harvested every other growth tick

so, every 2 hours, or just under 3 if you time it so they're harvested immediately when they grow and then right before the "deadline"

[mint sandal]

Ok so this is what I have come up with rn after tou guys said 1 bloob/apple/pepper is enough. I think my wheat/corn/rice ration is good as is (am pritoritizing rice cause sashimi/sushi parties). I just have to figure out which water and weed crops to prioritize

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCOPCbPOWR-AAAAAAAAA-OCRPCbPRCrO-CCrCPCbPCbOB-OPWRCbRBOSp-CPCOCbRSpCCr-PCBCORCbPC-BCSpCbPCbORO-SpOCbPCbPCOC

[neat vortex]

When you are "not running back home all the time," how long are you online but away from home?

like is it "rice and bok choy are ready but onions and wheat aren't" or?

[mint sandal]

Depends honestly. Sometimes I just completely ignore it cause I am focused on hunting or mining, sometimes I'll tend to it every palia day, and sometimes it's in between

[neat vortex]

nodnod

Hmm.

How many days a week do you tend to play?

[mint sandal]

Depends too. I can go days without playing and sometimes I play every day when I hyperfocus on the game

But average let's say 3-4 days out of 7 give or take

And each play session can range from 1 hour to 5 or 6 if am off work and have nothing else to do lol

[neat vortex]

In that case, you have plenty of idle time for your crafters to run, so you aren't likely to snag on the problem of your bok choy harvests outripping your ability to seed it 😂 (for example) - BUT you might run into problems with seeders stalling out since you may not be checking them before they finish running.

[mint sandal]

I usually check my seeders when running through so I guess that'd be fine. Also, is it better to sell bok choy seeds or kimchi? I was turning them into kimchi so far

[neat vortex]

Per crop, starred bok choy are worth 88g each as seeds and 67g each as kimchi

[mint sandal]

So seeding and selling would be the way to go money-wise?

[neat vortex]

That's my recommendation for people who have enough idle time per play time, yes

[mint sandal]

Cool, thanks

[neat vortex]

It really only turns into a problem for those wacky layouts that are, like, 55 bok choy plants, harvest boosted, or for more moderate layouts when a person is cramming in more than 1 or 2 harvests per RL day

(Starred potatoes are 120g each as seeds and 102g each as pickled potatoes)

(so, seeds for those, too, for most players)

Apples are probably pretty ideal for you, ngl

They're best in jars, run forever unattended, don't need to be babysat when they're growing as long as they are buffed

[mint sandal]

Ok. Should I get more tomatoes than potatoes? Or the opposite?

[neat vortex]

For you, since you tend to be out of the house more, unless you just haaate replanting/will avoid doing it, I'd say potatoes over tomatoes

[mint sandal]

Ok 👍

[neat vortex]

But I'm not sure on the napa tbh

Tomatoes are fast and prolific and will allow you to take advantage of those hyperfocus days, but they also process fast and will leave your preserves jars empty after not too long. Napa is more "low and slow," but flexible.

Napa cabbage is the red beans and rice of vegetables: lower-value, but good when you have other stuff to do

Tomatoes are more like, idk, hamburgers. Cheap but so fast they make up for it in volume.

This is not a very good metaphor.

tbh you might just wanna... try both? and see how you feel about it? or split the difference?

I really don't have a mathematical recommendation for you, since you have a lot of variation in your play patterns. I think it will simply come down to preference.

(FWIW, napa cabbage kimchi can also be fed to glow worms and yields 2 glow worms each? but it will stall the heck out of the glow worm farm, so I'd say you'd be better off just feeding them meat and forageables, since you have idle time to take advantage of)

[mint sandal]

Oh, I feed grilled fish to my glow worms and it's doing good, I get 1 or 2 worms per dish depending on the value of it

[neat vortex]

Nice nice nice

Yeah, recycling your unwanted fish is pretty good :)

You must have lots of harvest boost fertilizer on hand!

[mint sandal]

Ok so I think I'll try this for now and see how it goes
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-ROBkPTPBkWR-AAAAAAAAA-BkORPTPRCrBk-CRBkTCbPCbOB-OPWRTRBOSp-BkPCOTRSpCCr-PBkBBkORCbPC-BCSpTPTBkRBk-SpBkCbPCbPCOC

[mint sandal]

Oh yeah, it makes a lot of hb fert! And I sell it all cause I don't use fert so that's more money lol. I have someting like 150 in my chest just in case iirc

[neat vortex]

You know, I got really curious once about whether it was better to sell HB fert rather than using it (assuming you have unbuffed crops in your layout)

And the answer was honestly a resounding USE IT lmao

like it shocked me how much more beneficial it was to use vs sell

(assuming you don't find it a massive pain to use it ofc)

(fun trumps all, as always in a video game)

[floral talon]

even on ferting 6 apples instead of having 4 non ferted its still more worth it

[neat vortex]

say "ferting" one more time for me, DS

[floral talon]

ferting one more time for me

[neat vortex]

Goodnight, Gracie

[floral talon]

i dont speak ren

[neat vortex]

Reference to an ancient show

[floral talon]

since u only need one bloob apple and pepper
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

EVERYTHING GARDEN!!! (and ofcourse you can swap out onions with carrots and potatoes with tomatoes for example) but like replace one half of it with different thing

[neat vortex]

yes but that water retain fert 😭

[floral talon]

im gonna tinker with this one

[mint sandal]

Yeah, I sell cause I don't wanna bother with it, though I guess there's no harm in dumping some where needed and replenishing when I remember to

[neat vortex]

I like how you crammed in 2 more grain tiles compared to my "less fruit" everything garden, which only managed 12

Yeah, on single tiles I mostly just re-up it whenever I end up with an overstock, before I sell

[mint sandal]

Tbf there's no cotton in mine tho, so not an everything garden

[neat vortex]

Sorry, an everything cooking garden XD I should specify

[mint sandal]

Lol

[neat vortex]

(In my cooking party focused circles, ain't nobody growing cotton; that could be RICE)

(you can BUY your fabric with your sashimi money....)

[mint sandal]

Yup

[neat vortex]

This one is mine, but I'm pretty sure you saw it earlier
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OCbPBkBBPBB-OTRBkCbBkRTO-CrOPTBkTP.HOCr-TPRBkOBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkOBkRPT-CrOPTBkTPOCr-OTRBkCbBkRTO-SpSpPSpSpBkPCbO

obviously intended to have swaps made to customize how many carrots and wheat you want

[mint sandal]

Exactly! Also last night I sadly sold 100k worth of sashimi over cap cause I didn't know the max gold is 999 999g 😔
...
But I have 2 other parties this weekend so it's fine lol

[neat vortex]

(I tend to create layouts with minimal crop varieties in order to illustrate the underlying pattern better, and then people can fiddle around with what exact crop goes in which exact tile to suit their own use cases)

[neat vortex]

omfg that is a helluva way to find out!

[mint sandal]

Yeah...

Could've been worse, could've wasted half that batch of sashimi

[neat vortex]

You have more rice-cooking stamina than I do 😂

[mint sandal]

Lol

[neat vortex]

I get to round 60 and I'm ready for a nap

speaking of naps, I said I was going to go take a nap like... an hour ago

[mint sandal]

We did like 150 I think, sashimi are fast. People were just getting rid of their epic fish that way. They had rares, too, but decided to keep them for another party cause we were all over it lol

[neat vortex]

TWO hours ago yikes... no wonder. I'll be back later! Let me know the results of your experimenting :D

[mint sandal]

???

OH
Good nap lol

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOCAAOAA-CCbPACrRAOC-O.HC.HCb.HSpSpP.HSpSpO.H-CbAAP.HCbBC.HOB-APCb.HBCbOBCrR-PCrCCRCbOCrP-O.HCbPPCrRCb.HCO-COCbCrCrRPCbC-PROCrCrCOPCb.H

wth did i make

[mint sandal]

Nvm, I managed a more symmetrical one and that works better with my brain hehe. And dang, hb fert does make a big difference!
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HC.HBkPCbPRWR-AAAAAAAAA-BkC.HBk.HPCbPRWR-CBkOP.HTPCbBB-BkTRO.HCb.HOBkTBk-OBkCP.HT.HP.HSpSpCb.H-OBBCRBkP.HTO.H-RCrRTBkTCb.HO.HCb.H-SpSpO.HBkR.HCO.HTP.H

[floral talon]

yesh mine is better less fert hell yeay total pain to plant though

[mint sandal]

Whoa! So much grain in that

[floral talon]

yeay this is my cookout and epic fish layout which i made FOR YOU

sadly it still uses 12 fert

half of that is einevitable cuz stupid spicypeppers giving no buff but thut that contributes to 4 fert use and 4 is cuz corner theory
but that should still leave a maximum possible reduction of 4 making it a minimum of 8 fert

the thing is obviously not optimised towards havign max rice or something like that or max onions over water retain plant its more a proof of concept XD but yes buffs(besides harvyboost) can be swapped around and stuff

[mint sandal]

Nice, thanks!

[floral talon]

wait ur actually going to use it 😮

[mint sandal]

Idk, the idea of planting and replanting fills me with dread lol, ain't no way ima be able to memorise that I might use it from time to time if am really low on rice though cause that's a lot of grain space

[floral talon]

i just made a discord with palia section with palia layouts channel and i grab it from there posted link and pics

aint no way i can tel whats what otherwise

even added a nice little description/notes at every layout but yeay i cant remember almost any layotu either XD (which is kinda messed up cuz i make layouts)

[mint sandal]

Yeah, I see you make so many layouts, it make sense you'd have trouble remembering them

[floral talon]

30+ ... most il never use myself or at least not again

[near shell]

Can anyone help me figure out the best way to plant things?

[mint sandal]

Depends what your needs are and how high your gardening level is

[near shell]

and when to fertilize?.. I'm trying to get my lvl up, just hit six. I'm trying to get fruit to make the petite fours

[humble vale]

I'm so lazy using fertilizers so here's my garden with crops I need

I'm so lazy with gardening anyways XD

[neat vortex]

oh, the bottom is a strip garden/bullseye chunk, clever

[neat vortex]

See here for discussion in how fertilizer works: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

But if you just need it for the quest, you can also cook together with someone who has fruit, just to get the quest done :) Leveling up gardening is not very fast; I manage about one level per day and that's with utterly silly amounts of playtime (and a self-watering/weeding layout), so my crops progress a lot. It comes with consistency.

[neat vortex]

general discussion on leveling gardening which you might find useful? #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Happy to help you with a layout, though! Tell me more about what you want to be growing, when you get a chance :)

[random peak]

Is there a high profit 100% water retain layout for someone who sometimes forgets to harvest? 😅 I would at least like to have tomato, potato, onion, and wheat. I'd also like cotton but if that doesn't work I'd pass on it and buy fabric when I need it. Okay to have other crops for profit.

[drifting violet]

You should take a peek at the layouts Ren or Duh post! they have a whole variety of garden types c:

[neat vortex]

Do you specifically not want 100% weedblock (e.g. for accomplishment reasons), or just minimum want it to be self-watering? :)

[random peak]

Oh yea, 100% weedblock would also be nice if that's possible 😅

[neat vortex]

Absolutely!

[random peak]

I sometimes forget to harvest for a while 😅

[drifting violet]

Also, a (probably ridiculous but) very useful tip to avoid accidentally harvesting crops you want to keep down (if you prefer to harvest in waves/one crop type at a time) is to point your camera straight down until the crop you want to harvest is (relatively) centred on your screen 🤭

[neat vortex]

This might sound like a silly question, but... where is your garden relative to the entrance of your plot? :)

[random peak]

Thanks for the tip @drifting violet !

@neat vortex It's off to the side of my house close to the little water refill puddle.

[neat vortex]

(It's fine if you forget to harvest sometimes, and maybe that's not a problem you want to fix - this is a game, and any pace is fine! - but if you do want to solve it, sometimes making things more accessible for yourself can do it, so I figured I'd ask)

[random peak]

Yea, it's not me missing it. Its me spending 100 years on Bahari 🤣🤣🤣

[drifting violet]

(aw yeah, another Bahari strip miner!)

[neat vortex]

ROFL got it! Well, I can help you with that! The call of the squirrelling, it is strong for some of us

Okay, do you have access to apple trees, first of all?

[random peak]

Not as of yet. I'm still pretty early ish in game.

[neat vortex]

Okay, cool, what gardening level?

[random peak]

I'm not sure where you get them yet. My gardening level is 9.

[neat vortex]

Ohhh you will get your VERY FIRST apple seed in the mail very soon! The next time you level up :D

[random peak]

Heck yea. I was hoping apple trees were profitable because I wanna have one. For the aesthetic ☺️

[neat vortex]

They are middling in terms of overall revenue, BUT they are very resilient to "hours in Bahari" playstyles as long as they are self-weeded and self-watered — which is super easy to do :)

Tomatoes, less so, unfortunately, but they also don't require as much labor if you do forget

(just pluck them, water them, and go)

[random peak]

Perfecttttt. For crops I really just wanna be able to make pickled potatoes and my cream tomato soup. Sell extras ex.

[neat vortex]

Are the potatoes to eat, or to sell?

[random peak]

Haven't decided on that one yet. Maybe sell? I haven't checked the best pickling profit. But everyone seems to say potatoes.

[neat vortex]

Potatoes are indeed very profitable, and they are even more profitable if you turn them into seeds (120g per star potato) instead of pickling them (102g per star potato, iirc)

[random peak]

Oh so it's best to just sell them raw?

[neat vortex]

Er, sorry, no, it's best to turn them into seeds first

[astral rampart]

Hi all. One of my crop plots disappeared and I’m maxed out on them. What happened to it?

[neat vortex]

Turn all potatoes into seeds -> save some seeds for replanting -> sell the rest of the seeds

[neat vortex]

Uh oh, can you say more?

[neat vortex]

(this also applies to bok choy for the majority of players/layouts)

[astral rampart]

I was moving them to a different area and I had selected the last two at once and one just vanished

[neat vortex]

I did not think you could select two at once 0_0

Did they maybe end up stacked on top of each other...?

[astral rampart]

If they’re touching it lets you group them together to move. But I tried moving them around and they didn’t stack

[neat vortex]

OMFG ALT SELECT WORKS ON THEM HALLELUJAH

oh that is hilarious

those are all jammed together... what in the devil? xD
(I did not try to place them because I am not brave enough)

[astral rampart]

Omg 🤣

[neat vortex]

Okay so ummm I think something is not working as intended, congratulations on finding a fun new glitch?

[astral rampart]

One was stacked hahah. It just stacked on one that I hadn’t even grouped it to

[neat vortex]

I really do think they may have gotten stacked yeah

[random peak]

You've just created the hybrid Tomatonion

[neat vortex]

Okay, well, wow, that's a new one!

[astral rampart]

I was stressing out. Thank you!

[drifting violet]

In my experience it just restores them to the layout you had them in previously (I used it to relocate my garden to the centre of my courtyard) 🤭

...ALSO POTATO SEEDS ARE MORE PROFITABLE?! HECK

[neat vortex]

tomatoniapples

[random peak]

Texture of a tomato but the kick of an onion. I'd try it.

[neat vortex]

and pot choy

[drifting violet]

(pot choy sounds like a name for haha funny smoke plant.)

[neat vortex]

This is actually amazing news, because previously, if you had a layout where any of your trees/bushes were overlapping the soil plots, you COULD NOT move them, at all, at all

[neat vortex]

I mean choy does just mean "green vegetable" afaik

[astral rampart]

Oof I’m glad I was able to get it unstuck

[neat vortex]

I'm sorry for your stress, but thank you for teaching me something new!

[drifting violet]

I was today years old when I learned that I should have been converting all of my potatoes to seeds for profit 😂 but they take so long to process

[random peak]

More time for me to hoard my Bahari treasures

[neat vortex]

They do, but crafters run even when you are offline :) Small army of crafters workin' all the time = money money

Printing money in your sleep XD

[drifting violet]

Is there a maximum number of crafter licenses that you can buy? I've come into a small fortune (read: sold off my latest Bahari mining goodies) and I'm desperately needing more 🤭

Alternate question: is the crafter limit universal like soil/chests, or per plot?

[neat vortex]

It's universal, max of 30

(placed, not licenses to buy, since you start off with a few)

[drifting violet]

Well heck 🤣 that puts a damper on some of my plans since I also like to have two each of at least the smelters/sawmills

[neat vortex]

Yeah, since you spend a lot of time mining, you might actually be able to keep that many busy

What you may want to do is some fancy-dance crafter swapping

Run your smelters and sawmills (mostly) while you are online, then place your gardening crafters to run overnight

I personally don't do a ton of active play (i.e., I do a lot of staring off into space while my garden grows) and I have 28 crafters processing my garden stuff, and then 2 slots that I swap around for whatever I need processed materials-wise

but your ratio will probably need to be different

[drifting violet]

When I finally get my last two courtyards and can actually finish my complicated house plan, I'll probably have 9/10 seed collectors and then spread the rest out for the various other crafters 🤭 I like to do more gardening than anything else, my Bahari mine runs tend to be to pass time and/or make money now that I've finished the prologue quests

[neat vortex]

You might find this interesting, if you like numbers on stuff; I just wish it were complete (haven't had the energy) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1851304930#gid=1851304930&range=A2 (the Crafter Comparisons tab)

[drifting violet]

I LOVE THIS KINDA STUFF

[neat vortex]

The conceptual/mathematical part is, mm, 75% done

it's just a lot of digging numbers out of different references that I get stalled on

[drifting violet]

(I'm tickled by the column that says "an hour is...")

Do you need any help with getting numbers? :D I tend to have a lot of free-ish time on my hands with the nature of my night job

[neat vortex]

LMAO yes I was struggling with the time math formula (because I needed to divide) and eventually I was just like HECK IT and threw that in there

Despite my many spreadsheets, I am self-taught and really somewhat of a spreadsheet novice

[neat vortex]

Actually yeah maybe, if you are good at holding numbers in your head long enough to get them from A to B (I am... not), then that would help me a lot.

[drifting violet]

Autodidacticism is woefully under appreciated!! It's good that you have the passion to learn new things 🤭

[drifting violet]

I have three monitors and too many note-taking programs, what do you need? 🤣

[neat vortex]

I'll DM you!

[fading aspen]

if you want harvest on both apple trees you dont have pepper tho so i figured i might as well place em so you have quality

[floral talon]

Only way to make alot of harvest plants in such a layout xd

[humble vale]

This is interesting... I wish I could just anchor them on one paver but unfortunately the soil needs to came from inventory if obstacle flicking

[humble vale]

I just misread tomatonipples

[floral talon]

i wanted to make a 8 apples layout with that for so long

[floral talon]

but woud that get buffs

i do wonder can u even harvest/fert/replant or get buffs like that

[neat vortex]

To be clear, I HAD NOT actually clicked to place my garden in this screenshot.

It was just the preview image, and it looked really funny; I have no idea what would have happened if I had, in fact, placed it

[floral talon]

Wel i shall try it out eventually

[neat vortex]

I actually did merge together a pile of tree seeds to see if I could water them all at once with less fuss, but it only watered the topmost one :(

ft. ominously solid "water me" meter....

[floral talon]

Xd

Science

[neat vortex]

Now I wanna see what I can do about a non-cursed version, or however you wanna phrase it

[floral talon]

hey i manged to make stuff travel back in time in this game why not create a singularity of soils

[neat vortex]

I call this version "water, water, everywhere but not a drop to drink" 😂
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkRCrOCrT-BkTP.HCrRTPOC-O.HBk.HCb.HSp.HSp.HP.HSp.HSp.HO.H-TCrCPROBk.HTP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TPBk.HCRTOCrP-OB.HB.HPB.HB.HCb.HBkO-COTTRCrP.HTBk-PCrOCrRBkOPCb.H

a.k.a. "how in the HECK do you have 14 tiles of grains and NO companion HB on any of the trees/bushes"

... 'least it's pretty

[floral talon]

urs is so muhc more optimised in aesthetical pleasing hten mine ...

[neat vortex]

Uses a lot more fertilizer/higher-maintenance fertilizer, though :)

Trees need fert re-upped minimum ever 10 growth ticks, and bushes minimum every 24

[floral talon]

11 growthticks but who cares besides me

[neat vortex]

I do, but 10 is to give wiggle room XD

I get nervous when my trees get down to 54 fertilizer... no way I'm letting them get down to 0 when I will never know if I missed a round that way

[floral talon]

i top em up whenever i feel like cuz i need my inventory space back ...

[mint sandal]

I kept modifying the layout I shared yesterday and managed a 15 grains with the tree and bushes harvest boosted by crops. It's also almost perfectly symmetrical which is very satisfying to me and makes planting way easier. It's the layout ima use once the blueberries and apples I have remaining from my previous layout are all harvested
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HCb.HPBkCBkRCrR-AAAAAAAAA-PCb.HP.HBkCBkRCrR-PTPBk.HOROBB-CPRBkCbBkRWR-PTPC.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.H-TBBPCRR.HOP-TBkTPO.HPCb.HBk.HCb.H-SpSpT.HR.HCPPOR.H

[neat vortex]

oh wow, very shiny!

That's really quite elegant

[mint sandal]

Thank you! I prefer my layouts symmetrical cause then it's easier to memorise where the crops go so I don't have to check my phone all the time when it's time to replant

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I love any kind of repeating pattern! Makes it so much easier to break it into chunks

[mint sandal]

Yeeees

If you look at my past layouts (at least the ones after I had access to apples and bushes), they're all pretty much symmetrical. Lots of them also were really not optimal when it comes to buff cause I didn't really understand how that works at the time lol. The 1st one I have a pic of is atrocious

[floral talon]

nice only its fert use could be theoretically improved but lets face it im saying that while having 4k+ harvy boost fert ...

[mint sandal]

Stupid peppers by itself having me use 6 fert is a pain. If not for the fact that I use chili oil dumplings as focus food and thus need peppers I would replace it with blueberries to boost all crops around

[floral talon]

yeay peppers ensure a need of 4 ferts if u want 3 buffs its really annoying

mh -pling- idea why not just push em in the corner and use the fert on those themselves since my theorem states they always request that many for 3buff layouts that dont include quality up

[mint sandal]

No I mean the crops around it need hb fert cause the buff peppers give is useless to me, my pepper bush is boosted by crops

[floral talon]

but that would make it less syummetrical but easier for me to do in future

[floral talon]

oh yeay right then that wont work to push em into corners sigh terrible plant truly awefull this is why i eat cakes so i dont gotto deal with thta

[neat vortex]

Could always swap to bouillabaisse if you wanted the same focus for a lot more money and trouble XD (it's actually worse focus per gold eaten than cakes if you make it with black sea bass, and that's not even getting into the focus per opportunity cost of the ingredients)

[floral talon]

i kinda wonder is there even a more focussy food then cake?

[neat vortex]

Muujin Bahari

or lucky braised fish, but that hardly counts since even unstarred is more than the max bar

[mint sandal]

Does that take rare ingredients like dari or heatroot? Cause I barely have any of those

[floral talon]

muujin bahary partys it is then but i hate chopping so back to cake ...

[neat vortex]

No, it's any bass, potato, onion, spice sprouts, and wheat

[floral talon]

my logic at minimum u gotto do one step so might aswell party and go fgor most focus food htere is whoc ares about going beyond max sicze of the bar at that point XD

[neat vortex]

LBF takes about a minimum of 2 minutes per round, though, IF you get the timing completely right, because of timed flips

[floral talon]

apples and cabbage is amazing cuz they require little interaction aswell

wow ren is right im am an extreme when it comes ot faarming tactics

[mint sandal]

Oh, wheat. Finally a use for it I'll check it out but I don't like fishing much so having to specifically fish for bass just for focus food is more of a hassle to me than hunting for the meat that the dumplings need

[neat vortex]

Oh there are so many uses for wheat o_O doesn't chili oil dumplings use it, too?

[mint sandal]

Oh yeah

[floral talon]

u dont got like 100 of those stockpiled 😮 and yeay meat is effectively free though cuz u get it for shooting the things that say plz shoot me i can go poof

[neat vortex]

And yes, I was being facetious in the extreme about bouillabaisse

[mint sandal]

Don't mind me, am a bit brain dead after work lol

[neat vortex]

anything that has mandatory potatoes is an automatic disqualification from me

120g per round for the potato person...

[floral talon]

wth do u got against potato

[mint sandal]

Oh, I have a stockpile alright. Probably around 150

[neat vortex]

almost as bad as 164g per round for the apple people if you're making cakes for focus as the FF person

[floral talon]

tiume to clean storage then hehe unles u put em on ur plot mh maybe i should start doing that

[floral talon]

so that is why noone wanna fruit frost i thought its the easiest to get igredients for role not that i can do it since i got to much sweet leaf to lockbox and only make cakes once every few months
the moethod is to effective

[mint sandal]

How do you put wheat on plot?? Wait, were you talking about bass? Cause I barely have any of these. I'd be surprised if I had 10. As I said, I don't enjoy fishing much

[floral talon]

oh yeay i thoguht u said u got 100bass

[mint sandal]

Nah, that was my wheat stockpile lol

[rocky aurora]

too many layout for farming on internet, what would be the best one to follow in ur opinion ?

[floral talon]

MIFFY MAC MIFSTER BUN!!! you finally found ur way here

[rocky aurora]

yesss

[floral talon]

the best layout depends hugely on what U want
basically what do u use ur layout for how do U want to tend to it (and some other factors)

thats why i got a library of 30+ layouts for everyone XD

[rocky aurora]

i want that is easy to maintain, with water retention ability, prefect for a lazy worm like me

[floral talon]

max lazy so water retain obbviously also weedblock?

[rocky aurora]

yup yup absoutely

[floral talon]

how lazy? cuz most lazy is either some fert or less output

[rocky aurora]

standard lazy

[floral talon]

this is what i use mostly rn apples are hte laziest crop

bit of a replant pain this one is

[floral talon]

gotchu (standard lazy is something i got)

[rocky aurora]

thanks I will keep both

[floral talon]

variation of the apple one

so i take it mifbun is satisfied? (with the service)

[rocky aurora]

5/5

[floral talon]

i frogot to mention for more lazyness pick crops that sync up on harvest/replant times
bokchoi carrots every 3 (rice to)
cabbage every 6
apple 12 6 6 6
potato corn 5
for example

[rocky aurora]

good to know thx

[floral talon]

XD yeay its generally an overlooked trick i use

[neat vortex]

if you need onions/wheat/tomatoes, those sync up for the first tomato harvest (4 days), too; I usually plant wheat, then 2 rounds of rice, or 2 rounds of corn, depending

[astral rampart]

Does anyone have a guide for how much crops vs seeds are worth when selling?

[pulsar elbow]

Is there a faster way to keep the garden watered that gets unlocked later? Sprinklers or something?

[rigid mantle]

you can get hydratepro fertilizer which will keep the soil watered for an additional day or something I think, but no sprinklers afaik 👀

[astral rampart]

Thank you!!!

[astral rampart]

I saw someone post this. I’ve been using it and you only have to water when you plant new crops and there are no weeds

[pulsar elbow]

Saving this, thank you!

[pulsar elbow]

Thank you

[mint sandal]

Cabbage is missing, and bok choy

[rigid mantle]

Oh sorry!! I didn't make the image myself (it's from paliafriends as stated below the table) but it's the most comprehensive quick overview I had without typing everything out :p
According to the wiki the stats for the other 2 are:

bok choy:

• veggie = 30 (base) - 45 ⭐
• seeds = 15 (base) - 22 ⭐
• preserve = 45 (base) - 67 ⭐

cabbage:

• veggie = 40 (base) - 60 ⭐
• seeds = 10 (base) - 15 ⭐
• preserves = 60 (base) - 90 ⭐

[sonic flare]

What’s the early game money crop

[floral talon]

Theres none u wanna harvest boost waterretain and quality up ur plants

[sonic flare]

@floral talon i got this one I'm planning on (image). I'm not going to get into fertilizer until i get a worm farm

[floral talon]

Why u make it like that though

[ashen garden]

right what are those numbers

[floral talon]

% of plants not tiles having those buffs

[ashen garden]

both, man

[floral talon]

no its plants

[neat vortex]

This chart is unfortunately a bit misleading, as, for example, it takes one starred potato to make one pickled potato (102g), but one starred potato makes FOUR seeds (120g).

Similarly, it takes ten apples to make one apple seed, so you have to divide the seed value by ten to get the value per apple. Tomato, blueberry, and pepper seeds are also complicated.

@astral rampart I recommend PaliaTracker's Gold Profit tool for comparing processing methods, and make sure you select the "show comparisons" setting: https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[neat vortex]

How early? as in, what crafters do you have available to process your crops?

IMO, you could probably choose crops with highest revenue (or return on seed investment) per tile per day (if sold raw) that will fit in a layout to keep them watered, harvest/quality boosted, and/or perhaps weeded, depending on playstyle 🤔

but if you have access to cooking parties, that changes the reckoning considerably

[astral rampart]

Thank you so much!

[neat vortex]

You're welcome! Keep in mind that it doesn't take processing time into account, if that is important to you; but in most cases you'll be letting your crafters run while you do other things (or sleep), so it matters a little less, depending on why you need the comparison

[neat vortex]

oh! and there is also this, if you want more numbers only comparing seeds and preserves. (And cotton takes 2 cotton per fabric, now, so cotton -> fabric always loses value)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

[wanton root]

i was wondering if anyone could help me figure out the best plot i should make for my garden? right now i have every fruit/veggie in mine but im trying to figure out which vegetables are needed the least / can just be bought occassionally , versus which ones are needed often for quests/recipies/gifts

[floral talon]

just stockpil;e like 20 of each hehe
personally i eat cake(starred ones to) from cakepartys so i dont need anything but apples once i run out of my 200+ sweetleaf
u might need something specific continously depending on YOUR needs

it really depends on what u wanna do get hte stuff for that in ur layout

and once u figure that out we can make u alayout for you 😄

[neat vortex]

One way to gauge this might be to check the wiki pages for each and check the uses lists, hm. But it's true that once you grow a small stockpile (I say 30 just because that's a full stack, lol) of each, you mostly will be growing waaay more than you can use for quests, gifts, bundles, etc.

Additionally, because you can cook together with others and split the ingredients, as long as you're okay with collabbing, you don't necessarily have to have it all yourself, either

The main purposes of garden produce (in no specific order, since that depends on the person) are:

• cooking focus food to eat
• materials for for-profit cooking parties
• producing cash crops/excess crops to process and sell

but, tbh, the dishes needed for bundles, quests, and gifts are SO varied that I am pretty sure every vegetable will be called for at least once. Even bok choy, which is only required for one dish afaik.

(I personally skipped all the weekly wants that were cooked dishes, lol)

Oh, and accomplishments, too. You need to cook one of each of (almost) everything for those, also

Most layouts are flexible in what you can grow in them, though: as long as you have space in your layout for an apple tree, at least one bush, and single-tile crops for each of the 3 main buff categories (water retain, weedblock, and harvest boost), then you can grow anything \o/

[neat vortex]

Oh, also: the only produce that CANNOT be bought are:

• anything star quality (of course)
• apples
• blueberries
• spicy peppers

[wanton root]

best use for apples?

[neat vortex]

For money or for something else?

[wanton root]

moneey

[floral talon]

jar it and THEN worm it but usuallyt poeple only do jar

[floral talon]

or in text form jar unles bokchoi/potato
cotton self use fabric
the rest seed cuz u cannot jar it

[neat vortex]

If you already have an overstock of starred apples and are trying to get the most gold back from them, that'll be a cake party, handling only the fruit froster role, which gets you about 3.5x as much as turning them into jam, assuming the party is going at a good speed and gets a reasonable star rate. You will also need to buy sugar for this.

Jamming your apples gets you 144g per starred apple, and is the default unless you are cooking with them.

Apple pie parties where you bring the apples (3 per round) and other people bring the other stuff is about the same as jamming them, but much faster (and spreads the wealth some). But imo that's only a last resort if you just really need to get rid of WAY too many apples in a massive hurry, because there are much better uses for wheat, spice sprouts, butter, and sweet leaf.

Turning starred apples into seeds is the last resort for a mass overstock, because they take 10 starred apples to generate 1,050g, or 105g/apple. They do run through apples faster than jam, though.

For me? I jam my apples because I always have an overstock of sweet leaf, so that's what I bring to cake parties. YMMV!

[floral talon]

in my calcs cake party counts as cooking profit not material usage profit but hey we can all do bookkeepign our own way

[neat vortex]

I am, granted, not a bookkeeper, but if the question is "What do I do with my apples?" it makes sense to compare them, imo

Can you say more about how you're reckoning it?

[neat vortex]

yeah 'cause it stalls out the worm farm after 11-12 apple jams, and only produces QualityUp and an additional +20g value added per hour (not counting any time when it's sitting stalled) for all your trouble @_@;

[floral talon]

well apple cake profit in cooking is profit from cooking effort while jamming is profit from processing apples thats my logic

[neat vortex]

That's true, one is active labor and the other is passive processing

[floral talon]

he asked i gave the technically correct answer XD

[neat vortex]

Asked "best use" not "maximum revenue from passive processing" :P

[floral talon]

ok best use is cooking if u have to, otherwise jar

[neat vortex]

Basically, as with all things: ✨ It Depends ✨

[floral talon]

it depends me giving decision tree as answer ...

[neat vortex]

(we're just here to help with the "depends on what?" follow-up xD)

That is one thing I struggle with, though. Like, if someone doesn't want to work through the decision tree, what do you tell them...?

Give the "one size fits most" answer with the "For most people..." disclaimer, I guess

[floral talon]

to be mroe specific XD

[neat vortex]

and an "If you want to know more..."

[floral talon]

but i am doing my part

[neat vortex]

lol yeah ask DuhScape if you want the post-it-note summary 😂 ask Ren if you want the wall full of pins and red string

[floral talon]

yeay we like good cop bad cop

[neat vortex]

Also, ask DuhScape if you want to grow cabbage XD

[floral talon]

CABBAGE!!!

[neat vortex]

I actually did recommend a cabbage layout to a friend the other day!

They liked to spend literally as much time as possible out in Bahari, hunting, and would avoid coming home to deal with the garden

[floral talon]

hoyohoyo hololo hololo hoyo hoyo

[neat vortex]

So cabbage was a perfect fit :)

[mild flower]

I am just getting to the point where I may buy a second plot. Can we get nine more gardening plots?

[neat vortex]

No, sorry, the limit is 9 soil plots per player

[mild flower]

😦 Saddddd! Thanks

[neat vortex]

(Also, you should have already gotten a second plot for free after your house finished building :) )

[wanton root]

does anyone have a list of all the preserves you can make and the sell prices for them all?

[drifting violet]

The Wiki has a list! https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Preserves_Jar You may need to expand the table 😄

[neat vortex]

What Moira said, but also, in general I am pretty sure that a preserves jar will increase the gold value of whatever you put in it by 50 percent, which is why unstarred apple jam is worth the same as a starred apple... I'll have to double check

[neat vortex]

If you narrow this down to "fruit" and "vegetable" in the filters it will also show you all the ways you can process each thing (add "crop" to also include items that can't be jarred) https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[twilit pulsar]

I just learned after 140 hours... fertilizer can be put down more than once and creates buff stacks. Are multiple stacks creating multiple uses before re-fertilizing or is it increasing the odds of doing what it does? Like does Fertilizer 9 mean I'll get 9 uses before needing to put more down?

[floral talon]

if plant dont got it from other plkants it consume that buffs fert one per growthtick per tilesize of that plant

[twilit pulsar]

That makes sense, tysm!

[floral talon]

nice u got that without me breaking it down safes time

[neat vortex]

The answer is kind of both, because Harvest Boost is an additive chance to proc the bonus effect (bonus +50% crop yield). In order to have a 100 percent chance of getting the bonus yield, the buff must be on the plant (either from fertilizer or from companion planting) for ALL growth ticks until the plant is harvestable. If the buff is only present on (say) 4 out of 5 growth ticks, then that's only an 80 percent chance to proc. So, in a sense, stacking fertilizer is insurance against missing a growth tick and potentially losing out on the bonus.

[twilit pulsar]

Ahhh okay, that makes sense too, ty!

[floral talon]

just stack the growth time of a plant or max stack on a plant with the fer ti tneeds for its buff

[neat vortex]

I believe that this is also how Quality Boost works, but don't completely know for sure

unless you are short on fertilizer, imo it's much faster to just plonk as much fertilizer as you can on there, because standing there counting clicks is very tedious XD

and then you can just re-up it periodically and not worry about keeping track so tightly

Fertilizer stays in the soil until consumed, replaced, or yoinked out by a multi-tile plant, so you don't lose any

[floral talon]

so thats how u joink it away

i just replace it with weedblokc or quality up to make it go away

[neat vortex]

Yep, that's what I do, too, like if I place it on the wrong tile (or my layout changes) and I want it back

[azure mason]

So I need a second opinion.

The first image is the only part of the garden that I’m actually happy with, but I have this ring of flowers around my entire house.
The second picture is the flowers that were displaced while I did some rearranging of my house layout. Half of my house doesn’t have garden around it right now.

Should I completely redo the garden to get more consistency, or, should I leave it as is?

[neat vortex]

I think you could use some onions! Those are always cute! /joking

(I think you might be looking for #🏡│decor ?)

[azure mason]

I ended up tearing everything out anyway lol

[neat vortex]

Sometimes a fresh start is good :)

[grim goblet]

Hello :3
this is my layout i use right now
it's not the best... after reading many things in this channel about what makes the best profits....
so any recommendations to improve it?
I have access to following machines: seed maker and preservation jar.

[fading aspen]

are you looking purely for money profit?

or do you want specific crops

[grim goblet]

right now purely for money making

[fading aspen]

i see

i'll get something cooked up in a heartbeat, one second

[grim goblet]

okay 😄

[fading aspen]

ok so first things first, we make the program run 180 days, this is just mathematically the fairest. Also note how im seeding bok choy and potatoes (and grains), the rest is better of preserved. (if you notice you have an overflow, focus on the more profitable ones). you ofc have to make sure you get enough starred seeds for everythin but thats just like, management hell so have fun with that.

the first is your current one: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WCWOTCoWCoT-WCWOTCoWCoT-WCWOTCoWCoT-WCWOTCoWCoT-WCWOTCoWCoT-WCWOTCoWCoT-WCWOTCoWCoT-WCWOTSpWCoSp-WCWSpBBSpBB
the second one is one i use: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPBkCRCoBkWP-CTPWRCoTCBk-BkCTWRPPCoBk-PCoBkTRCCWT-RWCoPTBkCoWR-TWCCRTBkCoP-BkCoPPRWTCBk-BkCTCoRWPTC-PWBkCoRCBkPT
the third is just me trying to make it as easy to use and profit focused as possible, turns out its just my design but more rice 🤷‍♂️ : https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPBkCRWBkWP-CTPRWRTCBk-BkCTWRPPWBk-PRBkTWCCRT-RWRPTBkRWR-TRCCWTBkRP-BkWPPRWTCBk-BkCTRWRPTC-PWBkWRCBkPT

ifyou have 100% starred yield because of your farming level being high, it gets more and more profitable

[grim goblet]

thx you ❤️ will try that out 😄

[neat vortex]

The pattern on that one is a bullseye: 3 concentric circles around the center plot. There are also repeating patterns in each ring. :) That might make it easier to conceptualize.

[floral talon]

... ren is right most poeple do not realise its just repeat 4 plants in a line with corners man bullseye must seem so random all over the place if u dont realise that

[neat vortex]

e.g. (though Stryker's crop choices are great, even though I think onions are unfairly maligned; I usually choose them for illustration/legibility purposes, and because they have more cooking applications than carrots)
water1 water2 weed1 weed 1
and
whatever grains pattern you want as long as everybody has a buddy

[neat vortex]

hey Stryker what happens if the grain pattern is rice rice wheat or rice rice corn?

speaking of buddies lol

[wanton root]

can someone help me make a garden consisting mainly of apple tree, cotton, & blueberries, but still self sufficient ?

[wanton root]

this is what i got so far

[neat vortex]

Sure, do you need 4 bushes for sure? And how many cotton plants, ideally?

[wanton root]

not for sure, and im not picky on a number im just lacking in fabric and want to produce more cotton. i mainly want to be growing stuff that i cant buy as easily , but still self sufficient

[neat vortex]

nods What level gardening are you currently?

(sorry if I've asked this before)

[wanton root]

11

[neat vortex]

I thiiiink this is probably the best one I have for this, but a search for "cotton" in the channel may find you some other options
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Co.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HPBkOR-OPT.HBBBkBBO-Co.HBk.HT.HP.HO.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-ROTPBk.HPTOR-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPO.HP.HT.HBk.HCo.H-OBBBkBBT.HPO-ROBkPT.HP.HBk.HO.HCo.H

This is my "All the Everything" cooking garden with swaps: two blueberries, no cabbage, and no carrots, i.e., profit-focused

• can put carrots in for the onions if you want, and that will line them up with the rice/bok choy in terms of harvest frequency
• HB fertilizer is optional, but highly recommended (improves yield as long as it's on the crop for every growth tick that it's growing)
• anywhere you see rice, that can be any grain you need (wheat, corn)
• the grains can also technically be cotton, but at heavy cost to overall yield, so I don't necessarily recommend it

Recommended processing after making starred seeds to replant and saving back whatever you plan to use for other reasons:

• jar starred apples and blueberries (unstarred: save some for futureproofing; jar the rest)
• jar tomatoes
• jar onions (optionally, put the starred pickled onions in regular worm farms for extra profit and easy HB fertilizer)
• seed bok choy, potatoes, and rice
• all cotton becomes fabric, unless you have excess somehow, in which case make the starred ones into seeds to sell off

[drifting violet]

I tumbled through some of the Steam community posts and there is a garden layout that I can only describe as

“why?!” 🤣

[fading aspen]

this? that does seem to be even better yea, forgot about it this :0

[fading aspen]

tried my hand at it too, heres my take on it: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkTBCPBCoCBk.Hp-BAABAAC.HpAA-ARP.WACTABkP-T.WPB.HP.WCoB.HCoBkC.Hp-B.HT.WP.WB.HCoB.HBk.HpC.HpB.H-T.WPCoB.HCoBk.HpB.HBkC.Hp-BkPACTABk.HpRA-AAT.WAABAAB-P.WTCoBBkTBCP

[neat vortex]

8 weedblock and 8 water retain fertilizer, oof

why are blueberries so difficult? lol

[neat vortex]

Well, don't TEASE us, share!

[drifting violet]

I FELL ASLEEEEEEEEP please hold 🤣

the empty spaces...

and then there's this one, which makes me head hurt and my aesthetic brain cry :<

[neat vortex]

This one is not too dissimilar from the 1-apple 4-bush one I made for a friend recently! The empty spaces can probably be anything you want

or weedblockers in some cases

[drifting violet]

I'm just not used to someone just. leaving them empty on the plot chart. it makes my lizard brain unhappy LOL