#envy's dual tribe runs!
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after a few fruitless runs i went hm okay psychic isnt actually doing anything for me in this fight. ill put burning jealousy in third slot. problems instantly solved
DONE
. HELP
HELP
GASLIGHTING HIM.... ME WHEN I LIE
how to deceive your brother
- step one: beat rafael
- step two: tell him you just beat helena
- step three: eko with level 30 mons????

honestly i might just go and do eko immediately? the 35 cap gives me claydol, bronzong, and makyandibuzz, which gives me like. insane teambuilding variety
if you did Raf by now there's very little reason to wait lmao
what else do you have to prove to yourself lol
asjdlfkjDSKLF yeah thats basically where im at. like i Could grind out the nebula trainers or whatever, but i already did so much shit at level 20 that like. its time to get moving towards the second half of the game i think
damn... first try... no way...
as much as id love to slam bronzong + claydol + makyandibuzz all into the same team, that gives me a pretty severe dark weakness (esp because like. im still using porygon-z). sneasler fits as a dark-type counter but idk if thats enough
ill probably run with it for now bc mostly i just want to test the new mons
Dark weakness doesn't matter if ya just don't fight any dark types!
Iirc next you have titanix avatar so I highly recommend claydol, with ground gem you can oneshot the first phase.
claydol turn 1 and then a dark type in the psychic overload slot just solves the Titanix avatar lol
(the AI does not really understand that rampage moves do not pick targets)
My personal philosophy, which is not necessarily correct, is you can have as many glaring weaknesses as you want if you also run an immunity and justify the weaknesses as baiting the moves to switch into. So here that'd be heart of justice
this is just a walking around team and you're using a whole box approach for major battles so who tf cares tbh is my advice
this is all wiseful...... 
did some pokemon catching… mostly to get candies in anticipation of the 35->40 leap
sequence broken :] now to poke around in frostflow and see if anything here is interesting to me rn
catch a mantyke to use on rafael ...
TRUE.....
LISTEN
it got dark outside too early and now i dont have the energy to implement pre surf mantyke tonight
perfected cowgirl sasha’s lvl 40 team at level 35
kinda lukewarm girl shit but like. its fun that ive gotten used to doing things underleveled and such. i feel like ive started to develop the intuition for like, how much a given level gap actually affects the flow of a fight
lukewarm girl .... we love lukewarm girl ..
🥺 even lukewarm girl is beloved…
also team update: swapped back to the probopass + stonjourner core bc i like, immediately found myself missing them. bronzong is sticking around bc i want to try it out (steel/psychic power…) and also bc levitate makes it a useful switch-in to counteract my ground weaknesses. then porygon-z ofc, and heart of justice g. rapidash is in my sixth slot as a dark-null sweeper (putting in really solid work so far, even without optimizing its moveset - swords dance is even more clickable with mystic active and it hits like a truck regardless)
i like how many immunities this team has - porygon-z’s triple immunity, plus g. rapidash and bronzong, and a bunch of them are even things that my team baits out via weaknesses. makes for very nice switch-ins
plus flying probopass ...
true!! flying probopass thank u for your service forever&always…
cursed perfect yez 3
got a video of this one and everything - don't usually but it just felt right
YOOOOO
Yez … 🥺
envy be like "I'm you but birdbrained"
yez 3 isnt the hardest but im proud of how clean this clear is. its a nice showcase match for the revamped team (for porygon-z mostly, admittedly)
(also while going into the videos folder to retrieve this one, i was reminded that the only other fight ive recorded is yez 2. which. yeah i cant even pretend to be surprised that both fights ive recorded are yezera fights)
endgame viable team tbh
honestly yeah i might like. see if i can just take this one all the way
its powerful horse hands...
u can really tell that rapidash is the new addition that i wasnt in the mood to like. hyperoptimize mentoring for
kinetic grip has a disgusting level up learnset on live
I think seven guys total learn it? not seven lines, seven guys
Omg wait so did it get cut from most of the pokemon who learn it?
what does on live mean
Omg…
The seven evil grippers
before you can move mentor kinetic grip… you must defeat its seven evil grippers…
i was briefly like “the one thing abt this team is that i wanna at least try to use sigilyph at some point” and then i realized. sigilyph does literally just fit in bronzong’s slot (ground-immune, can toggle between calm mind setup / other utility support)
you can do sweeper sigilyph and utility bronzong ... or some such thing ..
or you could do monotype steel mystic animated ..
monotype steel mystic animated… youre so wiseful
dont worry btw bronzong will never be getting benched fr. i simply want to use sigilyph my special fav in at least a few fights
yes get sigilyph in there !!
i keep wanting to try it ... bizarre skill link just sounds fun
not skill link
loaded dice
that thing
sigilyph is weird
you could even say it's bizarre!
:]
YIPPEE
<- just woke up from a nap and can't take in the whole backlog but saw something above
surely it should be lucywarm girl shit
#feminism
OMG TRUE.... #feminism
my awqsome sigilyph. and also the rest of the team is still here
also hiiii i hope u had a nice nap :3
such a neato team ...
look at those fucking weirdos 
not a single normal person among them. sunshine looks like it on the surface but you know his tumblr timeline is freaky af
i never actually tried berserk stonjourner i never really thought about it, but that would work so well ...
berserk stonjourner is soooo good shes been carrying me for most of this entire run
even the "meh scenario" where you send her in on smth that chunks her for just under half health, click shore up five times while getting up to +10 atk, then get a kill is already rlly good. and if she gets to set up properly the value is insane
this has me thinking abt this poor horse's timeline in every universe. sent over from pokebritain to his owner's bf, who promptly trades him away to some random rich kid. and then said random rich kid is literally val
can u imagine being abby from galar and seeing ur pet horse on the news in the makya championship tournament finals. and texting ur bf like "u traded sunshine away??? [checks tv] to the new makyan champion?????"
i think im gonna try and run sigilyph as like, a bulky setup sweeper... mystic works pretty well for this. switch in on smth reasonably nonthreatening, click calm minds and recovers, click one of my two nuke moves eventually. ideally get as much mileage out of the setup as possible before switching out
this is a pretty extreme departure from form for me, given. the entire first half of this run. but i think im actually tackling zoe and bence straight away
45 cap gets me metagross(!) and some other cool toys to play with. more importantly though i just wanna really put this team through its paces. im feeling confident enough with mystic/animated now that i think i can start moving things along quicker
...admittedly bronzong probably comes back in here as a setup sweeper, but like. ill at least testrun sigilyph against the gym trainers
oh my god okay i understand why i didnt get use out of sigilyph in my last playthrough now
its literally just bc the two prizca gyms are. rock and ice
probably not unfortunately; it's a single-stage so that's harder
dw im in it for the long haul..... if sigilyph doesnt see use in prizca ill at least bring her back for later stuff
(we ideally want every multi-stage mon to be available pre-surf, but the single stages have to have stats to compete with full evos, and that means they can't easily be brought to pre-surf areas)
(nodsnodsnods dw id gotten the impression that was the case
)
thought i remembered us discussing something in that area but it must have been other changes mb
we did discuss bits of it since we're discussing. like. everything, but I think that was firmly established pretty early
in other news, this gym trainer just clicked odd room against my 2-calm mind setup bronzong. and then switched in rampardos
im so sorry rampardos for what i am about to do to u
in case it wasnt clear btw this wasnt like, a complaint about mon availability, it was literally just a /neutral observation
I mean it's still a useful observation for us to look at lol, even if the answer is just that we can't do anything much
every Pokemon should have a niche and it's useful to know if game-specific stuff might be hurting that at least!
oooo okay ic ic 
<- girl who was worried that she was coming off as critical or smth asjfldjsklfjd
nah it's a fair observation lol
the bigger one before was. like. the entire Fairy type lol. at least until someone (well, "someone") discovered that fairy goes extremely hard versus Yez V and VI
made it to prizca east, basically entirely just for one-stop tech access (didn't feel like leveling smth up for ice beam, so the tm is nice to have)
yeah the only single stagers we can put pre surf are the total slime ball goobers
like maractus and illumise and ||[REDACTED]||
</3 the same strategy as always... thank u makyangrowth for your cooperation
cursed perfect zoe and bence
tiphereth clicked agility herb ice beam on jumpluff, then yesod and hod set up and swept
Taking notes from this, Bence and Zoe terrify me.
oh yeah the secret rlly is just, two steel types in front makes makyangrowth resign itself to clicking petrify for chip damage forever (stonjourner is CV steel)
So you just ignore Zoe's side?
yeah, it feels... a bit cheap
but i much prefer it to wading through the entire double battle at once
like bence's lineup is still scary - in particular i had to put kee berry on bronzong to account for staraptor's inferno impact - but otherwise its way easier to just, work through one of their teams first
(also i cant remember what his jumpluff has but i still have it baked into my mind from my first playthrough that priority number one is killing jumpluff t1)
Alright. Idk if that'll work for me, I'm not sure I could ever ignore women...
#feminism
WAIT YOURE SO RIGHT
im so sorry women... ill be better...
the secret to fighting Bence and Zoé is to not fight fair
Also bulky waters
Jumpluff has annoying coverage, leech, and encore iirc. T1 I wanna take it out too.
oh yeah thatll do it
My bulky waters aren't very bulky 😔
But you can shove Greninja + support mon or Empoleon + basically anything past them very very easily
from a nuzlocke context I think the water token goes into beating them about 100% of the time because it's just a very efficient use
Iirc I've got:
- Dewgong (no recovery, weak to rock)
- Sealeo (no recovery, weak to rock, low BST)
- Wailord (no recovery, weak to rock)
- Vaporeon (shockingly not that bulky)
I think a water token is definitely the play.
I've saved all my starter store picks so far.
Makes sense yeah
I think if you can swing it the best use of tokens is for solving specific challenges, and Bence & Zoe stand out for being very very easy to solo if you do the thing right
Empoleon is more generally useful because LOL Steel but Greninja basically just requires itself + a bulky Pokemon with CV steel that can click Follow Me for five turns
penguin gaming... frog gaming 🐧 🐸
I'm somewhat averse to empoleon because I have so so many ground weaks and not that many resistances, but it does seem great...
You also get Ho-oh around now (easy-ish to grind for the ruined tower key) so that alleviates the ground problem a bit. as well as. uh. a lot of problems, provided you want to use it lol
you also know the general strategy of, like, sweep up Bence first, and only then go after Zoé, right?
Yeah that was my general plan. Not sure I wanna use ho-oh though, I'm fine with most other legends but that's just kind of a massive stat stick?
I typically did lumber axe so ice gen should work
(not to interrupt, but) cursed perfect zain :] this was like, 90% sunshine's victory, with malkuth putting in a solid (if probably unnecessary in retrospect) showing against hariyama in the middle. heart of justice is really really good when your opponent switches in liepard after every KO, as it turns out
Envy you're not interrupting lol I commandeered your channel by accident. Sorry about that.
dwdw i would never have a problem with women commandeering things. i think women should commandeer more things #feminism
Whoa... you're such a #feminist...
that reminds me i still need to pick up #feminism the mantyke at some point. so i can use the suicune water stone on it and fulfill the prophecy
probably after noel, i dont think mantine sees use in that battle regardless
You think feminism doesn't have a use???
. theres no coming back from that one is there. fuck. im sorry women 😔
I trusted you envy. But I suppose you're forgiven.
is it because... you would always forgive women... #feminism
It's true... it's true... it's #feminism
hmmm. okay brainstorming a metagross set, bc i really want to try it out at least once. its 
(admittedly trying out new mons is harder now that my team is so set in stone)
the options at my disposal:
- brute force makes it lean towards a set where i switch into a resisted physical attack, click agility, and then spam steel beam. this has synergy with animated, for once - the steel beam recoil won't be as bad, and if i run shell bell i could see it being basically health-neutral. id have to evolve titanix to get steel beam at this level but like, thats feasible. if i want extra damage boosts from mystic i can even run smth like agility/protect/steel beam/[psychic STAB], clicking protect against things i want an extra 25% against
- alternatively i just run this thing as a defensive tank with a big attack stat and resistance to stat drops
ill probably start with brute force just bc that seems like the more interesting/novel option by a wide margin. which means my next stop is to figure out getting a titanix
brute force
Agility steel beam seems so fun.
👀 ooooh noted
Finally... metagross can hit fairy types...
at long last...
and more importantly dark types
steel beam acquired :]
oh my god tysm for telling me this, the bug-type coverage is so insanely useful
my immediate impressions are
- this thing could use just a little more damage in a lot of matchups, but the shell bell sustain is pretty important, and i don't want to run lorb on a steel beam mon
- it still soloed the first gym trainer so like. its definitely Good
enjoy it while it lasts 
asdjflkJFLDSJKL
we swapped out the bug coverage for a metagrillion other things
metagross stays winning....
I think what we cooked up is fun, though it does also lose aerial ace in the process
It was given to probopass...
👩⚕️ "metagross, the surgery was a success"
"where's probopass?"
👩⚕️ "who do you think got your Aerial Ace?"
Metagross and Probopass... are T4T.
Metagross uses magnet rise, and probopass just can't look away from her...
woaw …
the metagross stonks are always rising …..!!!
probopass switches into ground type attacks for metagross... they work together...
metagrass… protagross… metobopass..
protagross is pretty nice tbh. although metobopass is rlly funny
god im actually kinda loving metagross
its bulky, it clicks steel beam, it can set up if the circumstances are right
Envy I think the Dia virus got you.
Yes …. ha ha ha … yes …..
Animated steel beam is so brilliant I never considered that …
I need to start shilling my faves as lovingly as you do.
i was like. oh ill take it for a spin bc its dias special creature and i wanna see how it is... and now i may be a devotee i fear. the
has entranced me
metagross is a perfect angel …
This is amazing because Dia's experience with metagross was "this isn't very good :("
Out of the three people here, the metagross shill is the only one who didn't think it was powerful and satisfying to use.
Dia, how do you respond to the allegations of metagross love fraud?
AHSJDKDK maybe I was just expecting too much of a stat stick … maybe I just didn’t give metagross enough support… I’m sorry Metagross …
I need to make a new metagross team..
nooooo… it’s because u love metagross so much that u yearn for it to be better… u have high standards for what constitutes a satisfying metagross experience…
CB meta my beloved.
It’s true it’s because I yearn for Metagross to be ultra op…. I have to shift the Overton window until everyone thinks a good balance point for Metagross is one where it simply vaporizes only 60% of all pokemon on sight …
I need to do this but for misdreavus.
Which may be a bit of a challenge.
On account of the Small Creatureness.
Misdreavus should get a unique ability that’s like eviolite but triples its offensive stats 💯
just use small creature buff guy
there is no small creature buff guy I'm pretty sure

new avatar of misdreavus that you can catch and put on your team only if youre moth… it makes sense bc uhhh. flutter mane is a canon prehistoric pokemon and avatars are like prehistoric pokemon too so. the logic checks out if you dont think about it
Using my challenge run wish for this.
it has primeval tailwind bc its flying (it hovers in the air so flying type) definitely not bc primeval tailwind is rlly good, just bc it makes logical sense
primeval tailwind won't be good by the time this wish comes true
*it has primeval rock polish bc its. uhh. its ancient like fossils. it rocks (music pun) (sound moves) (also its cool)
surely primeval rock polish wont be affected by the same balance changes affecting primeval tailwind,
it has primeval work up because it's willing to work for love
True...
ahhhh…. my sleepy ass. someone save my sleepy ass
<- girl who is tired after two hours of social engagement, and theoretically has an amount of social engagement this evening that she has to decide whether or not to go to
cursed perfect noel :] im feeling really really comfortable with this team. metagross subbed back out bc i really needed bronzong's bulk + staying power + ground immunity (tbh i think the fact that ive tried two different mon substitutions at this point and neither stuck is like, indicative of this team's staying power)
also god yeah literally
just watched a friend replay deltarune ch1 and… damn…. deltarune good…….
ralsei transfem……
True...
kris and susie having their favorite foods (choc diamond and hearts donut) and then ralsei not. having one. is driving me up the fucking wall
she doesnt have one… she doesnt have anything… girl who doesnt allow herself to have likes or preferences, girl who lives in an empty fucking room making cakes shes never even tried herself, girl miserably molding herself into the shape of a prince for a prophecy that is actively hurting her
im normal about ralsei. character i have normal feelings about, whenever i think about her
She doesn't deserve a favorite food.
All that matters is being the prince for the prophecy. That's all she he is, after all. That's her his purpose.
If there was a princess instead well... the prophecy would fail. And everyone would die, because she was selfish enough to be happy.
🎊
aaauuuuu aaauuuuuuu
Gosh I love characters...
characters r so good
I love when characters have problems <3
true!!
They've got the horrors.
theres smth rlly nice with how like. idk how to put this
the “susie reuses the ‘bite your face off!!!!’ threat against lancer” moment
on this particular (vicarious) replay it did rlly strike me how like… the first time around on a blind playthrough it genuinely comes across as a fucked up threat. but then- the way it’s repeated- gives away the facade, a bit? like, she didn’t just say that as a one-off - she has a limited amount of threats she can deploy, and/or shes particularly fond of that one (which is funny and also characterizing bc of how edgy it is). and then lancer’s reaction of “yay thanks for teaching me threats!” is ofc also gold…
OH DIA YOUVE GOTTA…. I LOVE THEM SM theyre. so good. theyve got so much good susie and ralsei and kris and noelle
and like some other characters i guess also
i liked queen ..
Yeah big shock.
😭
Susie is an absolute softie but she tries to look intimidating at the start of the game a lot. I feel like she was probably bullied before and threats were the only way to make it stop since she looks scary, and she still does that same canned line since she knows it works.
YEAH like its sooo. hough 
tbh the fact that shes being bullied at the start of the game, even (people talk behind her back, she seems extremely socially ostracized, etc)
Oh yeah yeah. I feel like it was more explicit before but then threats made it die down to 'just' whisper campaigns.
YEAH nodsnodsnods…!!
Because no one's gonna fuck with her to her face.
susieeeeeeeee
All of the deltarune characters are so good.
Noelle... Kris... you two doing alright?
are they doing alright…. 
hope theres nothing Weird going on. cough cough sorry i mean weird going on. idk what was up with the text effect there its probably
nothing. wait what the fuck is that
Probably nothing idk.
yeah itsprobably fine
anyways queen is awqsomeeeeeeee
#1 sufferer of “unfairly+wrongly overshadowed by male characters in fandom” shes literally so cool oh my god
I'm so fucking mad about spamtenna.
(like noelle and susie and toriel and etc suffer also ofc but oh my god u would not believe queen was a Main Character Chapter Boss from how much real estate she gets in deltarune conversations)
it’s so fucking bad. i’m so fucking furious
what is spam tenna ..
Misogyny in fandom is nothing new at all, I mean we're both pokemon fans we know this, but spamtenna is a special kind of rage inducing.
Ship between two guys who barely interact that overtook Susie/Noelle as the most popular fandom ship in like a month.
deltarune yaoi ship (spamton plus a ch3 character) (notably Not a big spoiler bc its. small. its Small. its literally a throwaway gag)
genuinely its the you people would fuck a fence if it was white of yaoi ships
the yaoi industrial complex must be destroyed
I like both the character but I will never forgive the fujoshis.
yeah thats pretty much where im at on it too. i feel kinda bad for spamton in particular just bc his actual stuff is so much funnier than literally any of the yaoification of him <- girl who rewatched the spamton plush soaked in milk + thrown against wall clip earlier this evening and like, this holds up. it holds up
that said it is Vital to acknowledge that queen is still better + funnier (citation unneeded)
Queen is fucking hilarious.
We have two quirky robot people who serve as major characters and antagonists in their chapters, and only the guy is talked about.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
hmmmmmmmmmm
wish there was a word for this kind of thing. seems almost systemic how it keeps on happening. like some sort of… bias… against women…
like the opposite of #feminism. i shudder to think that such a horrid thing could exist
Some sort of hypothetical opposite to misandry...
what would you even call that sort of thing…
genuinely like. queen has several individual bits that taken on their own would already make her the funniest character in deltarune
the fucking eye-panel word talksprites get me every time

^ me when i lie
. oh my god i just remembered her fucking fighting game console. how is she not the most popular deltarune character
Woman.
how to defeat child
step one: make a game console
step two: the child is too short to even reach the controls
step three: revel in your victory
how has helena never done this 
(on the other hand i fully believe that mavis can and would and maybe even has done this)
Okay I just checked deltarune ao3 for the first time in a while.
Something horrible happened here.
helena did this to val for her 5th birthday and she and mavis both laughed and thats why val is like that
The top and the bottom of this... the rot encroaches...
third place? third place?? third fucking place???
the rot has doomed us all i fear
soon all the ao3 fics will just be spamtenna saying "hi (Y/N) my robot boyfirend and i saw you from across the dark world and we love your vibe,"

real and canon i believe this in my heart of hearts now
my evil (read: enlightened&wise) deltarune ship take is that a majority of otherwise-confusing kris ship results can be explained by people masculinizing kris. ex: noelle/kris fics overtaking noelle/susie because, although those with eyes know noelle/kris is closer to toxic yuri if anything, the teeming masses regard it as a “straight” “ship”
Okay there's no problem with kris and susie being above susie/noelle though.
The first place on is the only issue.
okay yeah that’s fair. i should probably disclaimer that this is primarily the only explanation ive been able to come up with for why ive been forced to see with my own eyes at any point sincere kris/berdly ship art. bc people treat it as lightners yaoi
like idk i have Beef with Berdly. idk if im making sense or being overly vitriolic its been a long day
No real. Noelle/Kris is my favorite ship in deltarune but so many people do Kris wrong.
youre allowed to diss the fictional birdloser without apologizing !!!!!
They turned my nonbinary lesbian psychological horror into cishetslop...
. OH WAIT THE SECOND PLACE IS KRIS/SUSIE i misread that……. nvm nvm kris/susie is indeed a path of justice&righteousness
<- girl who somehow misread noelle/kris as being second place (it has been a long day)
thank u…. youre so right…..
The primary thing with kris/noelle is that both of them are suffering untold amounts. Like the horror of being puppeted into abusing your friend is just so messed up, and no one really gets into that enough in fics.
The problem with deltarune is it's so good all the fics are worse.
yeah. yeah nodsnods
ive mainly avoided fan content / deltarune fandom bc i get so. aouhhghghfhfhfh
its so… its so…..
[tangentially related] god theres smth where like
as much as i dont rlly want to ever be a person who has the “youre doing it Wrong!!!” emotional response about things, i do kind of get that way about deltarune
its… i cant decide whether this is irritating and undesirable or, like, fine and humanizing? it upsets me to know that a majority of fan culture is, like. the fucking asgore truck meme
and/or spamtenna, and/or etc etc etc
*it upsets me on a level thats heightened bc of how much i care about deltarune as like. a thing. [ralsei voice] i havent yet decided if it is alright for me to care this deeply about something
No put away the ralsei voice, ralsei is not a role model.
I getcha, it sucks so much when you want to engage with something on a deep level because of how resonant it is, and people are just so fucking dumb about it. Surface level memes repeated infinitely until they overtake everything else my detested.
Like there is going to be genuine character analysis and people engaging with the story in wonderful ways if you look hard enough, but there's so much asgore truck and togore and spamtenna and sans or whatever to wade through.
okay im glad this is like. coherent, and im not evil&bad for feeling negative emotions over it
Broadly, yes, people can enjoy things however they want. But it's not wrong to speak on how the ways people choose to engage with media can hurt the fandom at large.
yeahyeah nods nods
Are memes and spamtenna bad in a nutshell? No. But when you look at the fandom it's easy to wonder why they're the most popular things by a landslide, and it's important to understand when something might be popular because it's thoughtless and easy to consume (memes as a whole, broadly) and when might be popular because of underlying social structures and people's internalized misogyny (spamtenna).
… also i hate to say it but. im girl who relates deeply to yezera, what did u expect-
.
<- girl now pondering the question of “how much do yezera and ralsei overlap. do i just feel like they overlap more than they do bc im at the intersection”
im late but youre not wrong or weird jalksdgh i was literally just talking to another friend who was frustrated by how peoples reaction to the frankenstein movie was to ignore the themes and focus on the shipping
HELPHELP god yeah... truly this is a shared frustration in all walks of fandom...
Never be normal
true...
I really gotta play deltarune dont i
Yesss!!!
Also yea Spamtenna got way bigger than it probably should have lol
(Also I know we were cavetchin a bit about fan content, but uh have this its iconic)
My older brother had this idea and we just had to make it a reality
Voices:
Kris: Me!
Ralsei & Susie: https://kreetn.tumblr.com/
Original animation by Melts: https://youtu.be/6hI9TcThjw8?si=NEdyL9hH1T0TCxGn
chat i put tectonic away for all of yesterday bc i was like. okay time to lock in. i did not lock in. the illusion of free will... (play tectonic/dont play tectonic) both paths lead to the same outcome (envy doesnt accomplish anything except for remaining alive (admittedly nontrivial))
this Does mean im now in the weird parallel state where im like... id probably have fun playing tectonic and be less hyperanxious... but now theres this weird Guilt Barrier where if i pick it back up its like im giving up entirely, and. well. you can really tell my parents were protestant from this line of logic probably
*are protestant. past tense makes it sound like they stopped (better timeline) instead of arguably getting even more religious as i grew up (worse timeline) (the one im in)
god i feel that 
even if you didn't actually end up accomplishing your goals you still deserve time for leisure and hobbies anyways
It's not giving up it's recharging
Unless tectonic is equally exhausting I suppose
yeagh
it's easy to get stuck in a trap of like
"i gotta work. but i'm not working. but because i gotta work i'm not allowed to rest or play either"
its a real cycle, that one
i know it feels like letting yourself off the hook but like. sometimes your brain jsut ain't gonna let you work and you're gonna feel better if you at least do something
literally me with unmedicated bipolar
its the same vibe as like
"i should sleep now because i have to get up early"
and then you stay awake thinking about how much you need to sleep
sleep is the fucking worst
like. i love sleeping and resting dgmw. but it's never actually like that
they should abolish ever having to do things at a specific time
waah true... youre all quite wiseful. perhaps after dinner it will be tectonic time for me, then
It shall be for me as well 
new, ambitious plan: yez 4 strategy based around puzzle room bronzong switch-ins
preliminary testing (attempting to get bronzong setup for a sweep) has indicated that like. sweeping with the mons available to me isnt That feasible. but also puzzle room debuffs a lot of her heaviest hitters - artemisia asha auden are all vulnerable to it, and that also motivates her to switch in her weaker links more often
Puzzle room seems so good against yezeras whole team yeah!!
its so fucking scary doing this fight without like, trying to setup and sweep. but i Did just find a line that takes out auden and asha, which is kinda huge
you will defeat her … just remember you are doing this to give yezera enrichment … also to save the world or whatever but we know whats most important ..
🥺 omg youre so right... i gotta remember whats important...! <- girl who isnt even doing this to save the world. tbh. literally 100% for yezera enrichment
miscellaneous thoughts so i dont lose track of them:
- might have to sub claydol in at some point specifically to deal with anri
- probopass sand strats are really good against asha (its the line i found earlier) but the issue there is that it results in asha doing probably too-much damage to my team. the ideal asha strat is probably to get rapidash in for a supereffective fairy hit, i just need to figure out what rapidash can switch in on without dying horribly
- in the absence of setup moves being viable, mystic + protect is really nice as a free 25% damage amp - specifically on porygon-z which is capable of doing a lot of damage to yez's team, im finding
yez 4 is a fight where, in other dualtribe runs with different tools, i could feasibly see myself going “this is too much” and doing the (trivial) uncursed fight (or like, cursed fight non-perfect). but like. idk i feel a cursed perfect in the air. i think it’s possible with enough optimization
dia u were right about bronzong btw… bronzong so good… bronzong so versatile
fwiw, yez iv isn't as hard as it appears at first blush — it's much more of a box check fight (i.e. do you have the right tools to fight each mon?) than a straightforwardly difficult puzzle. There's enough solutions to her mons that I think basically any dual-tribe team can probably find its way past her, especially if you're willing to use wild cards on non-tribal mons and such.
ooooo nodsnodsnods 
the most basic cheat sheet is like:
- Artemesia: big spdef
- Auden: dark/fire or dark/dragon or just big spdef and cloak that shit
- Anri: Electric or Fire/Ground
- Amalthea & Regirock: physically defensive Ghost
and adding the ability to use CV to approximate a typing you don't have and such
(n.b.: I intentionally did not include a shorthand solution for Asha. Asha has very few good counters. That's where you need black magic and/or bullshit lol)
oooo ty
screenshotting this for future reference
I've always handled Asha by letting it die to recoil attrition but this is not particularly useful for perfects fjakfjs
This is actually one of the better methods! except via ferrothorn iron barbs rocky helmet or toxapex noxious rocky helmet
Guess that figures
typically though my lines end up being bait an Asha switch into an Ignite (dromerupt does this very cleanly versus Anri), grass/fairy shenanigans, or a bait with resist into agility herb kill with Figmented draco meteor or something
so basically, as I said, black magic and bullshit
to clarify whenever i post things like this its… how do i put it. i like leaving room in my brain for “its fine to not grind through every single challenge every single time if it ever becomes too much”, even if so far i havent actually ever decided to turn down the difficulty knob
Nodnodnod
No that's a healthy approach tbh
But also yez iv specifically is like, this fight feels harder than it actually is
at some point I set out to break it when I saw a lot of people having trouble . . . and then discovered that actually, careful understanding of how to master 1v1 singles matchups just wrecks her
nodsnodsnods <- girl who has noticed that its less oppressive than like, some of the lvl 20 fights i was doing earlier. 50 vs 65 is less hefty of a gap than 20 vs 35 for a multitude of reasons, and everything bulky on yez’s team also has clear counterplay (given that one of the main things to play around on the 20 vs 35 field was nothing dps-focused being very good)
yeah, exactly that
The early gauntlets are harder because they have tools you don't have access to with 90 BP moves and such. By the time you get to Yez it's really just a level difference, and that's not a huge obstacle anymore
Something something stat crunch
teambuilding-wise i think im gonna swap ferrothorn and claydol in, probably for rapidash and stonjourner. im not 100% sure about claydol tbh but i think thisll be a good excuse to force me to figure out a good set for it / how it works beyond “click leyline burst for massive damage hopefully”
My friend claydol
a line like switching claydol into null anri zap cannon -> yez switches into asha as i click reflect -> helmet+barbs ferrothorn eats a harbor breaker could be rlly nice
One of those Pokemon I really like just aesthetically but have never found a good excuse/way to use in Tectonic
claydol also learns ignite for Asha, which is honestly probably better than reflect
If you can nerf her offense and get chip on her she'll die to chip + life orb very very easily; often it's easier to lean into that
ooooo hellyeah
i was contemplating reflect bc like. claydol screens last a long time, and itd be nice to have def screen up for regirock/amalthea. its probably better to just get asha out of the way though
Reflect does also work
I just look at this and see toil and trouble m. mandi and say why bother lol
but that's me having previously solved this fight lol
claydol has been weird for me to conceptualize using bc like… it’s a premium screen setter with a massive damage burst move, which pulls it in two different directions. and probably what it winds up being is “screen setter that can also sometimes click leyline burst and coast off its big damage without spa investment”? but i’ve never felt 100% sold on that
ive had a hard time getting m. mandi on the field especially into asha in this fight, it feels like harbor breaker just chunks it way too much (since youve solved the fight with it though theres probably just smth that im not seeing)
I think Claydol is mostly utility rather than damage? Leyline Burst has the unfortunate downside of being nullified by 2/18 types, which makes it hard to use offensively as more than a specialized answer to stuff
sorry, clarifying: m. mandi answers Regirock and Haerobic
OH yeah okay ic what u meant o7 as in “why bother [with screens] when m. mandi already answers them”
like legitimately, get it on the field, burn them, crimson storm because I forgot to remind Xava to take it out before 3.3 went live, watch them die
yeah I meant more like
Asha is stopped by burn + ferrothorn, and then you don't need help from screens for the rest of the physical attackers

and then a scroll through the box shows at least two known chandelure answers just sitting there
yeah you just, like, have wild card-less dual tribe 5-mon yez here if you want lmao
I should not be surprised; I made a team before for her that just ended up being animated by accident (and then the bonus didn't even do anything for me!)
im so curious what the two answers are, mainly just bc i already have my anti-chandelure line (porygon-z switches in, outspeeds, and kills)
feedback jacket ninetales and firefighter appletun do it
ooooo ic ic
the former is my general favorite tech for this fight; the latter is something one of the other Nuzlockes came up with

this is probably bc of the very specific case of "i already had a really solid opening line, then took a break to eat, and got extremely good+thorough advice during that break". but. its almost demoralizing how free that fight was after receiving + taking said advice
kind of sitting here rn like i dont actually feel good about. playing the solved line to completion. like i could have arrived at this on my own, but i didn't, and the clear feels kind of... hollow? it feels hollow
like idk i at least made the team substitution choices myself, with little outside influence other than being reminded that rocky helmet+iron barbs ferrothorn exists (given that i was already gonna sub claydol in anyways when i went on break), but like. idk i didnt find the ignite claydol line on my own, and that wound up being the sauce that broke the back half of the fight in two. and it also kinda sucks getting told that i have- answers in my box that i didn't even use?
idk. feeling like shit so i'm gonna take a break
okay i took a break and now im fine again
time to kick sang's shit in,
fuck that kid up
fwiw i think that its still an awesome squad outside outside of the claydol stuff
but i think that about any strategy featuring porygon-z ❤️
puzzle room is also my favourite strat into yez4
waaaa ty...... dw im happy with my clear now that im like, out of whatever weird headspace i was in. i think it was the psychic dissonance of, like, hearing that my team / teambuilding restriction played into solved strats? slash dipping into the pool of solved strats and instantly feeling them make the fight trivial. that made me feel "ohh im not good at anything" for an hour or so
sang is a very cathartic cooldown bossfight also. in the sense of, the entire gameplay is just "do as much DPS as possible to his extremely KOable mons"
okay now This is a team screenshot im 100% unabashedly proud of. i might honestly get a video of this one bc the line is really funny and not that complicated
behold my shenanigans
oh leyline burst sure does fuck up ibis veil huh
leyline burst kinda fucks up any poison type yeah
yeah its genuinely beautiful. the only thing is claydol needs to be low speed style plus agility herb or else sang gets wise to the shenanigans and switches out
(or ig you could also just accept going second and let his frog click a move before evaporating. i didnt want to do that though)
let sang play the game? never
incredible violence
ahahaha bizarre setting up the leyline burst nuke
the immense enjoyment I'm about to extract from dismantling your team
bold words for someone whose team is looking mighty dismantlable
only just now realized i could have given metagross a persim berry to avoid the chatter dizzy but like. the frost orb is infinitely more swagful anyways
Leyline burst hitting 16x super effective on donster is kinda crazy actually
oh my god.....
taking out the trash
(important clarification i like the trubbish line it's just. literally. trash. yknow)
(yeah nodsnodsnods. it being literally trash is an important part of the charm i think)
Trubbish line is awsome asf
anti totoro
Trashoro
trubbish so cuteful......
Trubbish is the embodiment of "its so ugly i love it"
genuinely really really good ludonarrative resonance that like
every single yez fight apart from arguably the first one (which is the one where she isnt yet aware of you as a friend-rival-person of interest) is like... testing your limits, and encouraging you to think deeply about tactics and teambuilding, and can be overcome with clever strategizing
and then every sang fight is. he says some extraordinarily punchable shit. and then youre mechanically encouraged to deconstruct his team through the highest-DPS, most targeted means at your disposal
come to think of it sang even gets the regi with the unique ability thats more or less "youre gonna hit me? better make it count. better kill me in one shot"
[in other news] i think i finally have to do some pokemon-catching / trainer-battling housekeeping... my xp candy stash has run dry (this is entirely because i took the shortest route possible to prizca and did basically zero completion of anything en route)
is. is this combee shiny or just really color-saturated 
i think it's shiny...??
no yeah i
unless i'm missing smth i don't think she's shiny she's just. Like This
kinda swagful of her tbh
tbh
important context is that
today is my probably-inadvisable "stay up all night to fix my sleep schedule" day bc im fucked up and need to make it to a class this week. im sitting here at 9am tired as fuck staring at this combee like did i miss an obvious shiny animation am i losing my mind
wagh
i can't do those days every time i try i fall asleep late in the day and make everything worse
but also my sleep schedule has bigger problems than time shift anyway so
yeah this often happens to me as well. im using my special strategy "cover my bed in miscellaneous shit so i physically cant access it"
- my other special strategy "play pokemon tectonic"
honey i do not think this works
this i actually know doesn't work
in my experience this does work, but I think it stops working when you're not like. 20.
i'm 23 and it does not work well for me but its all ive got
well. *it works well in that it does, in fact, shift my sleep schedule back in time. its the only thing that consistently resets my sleep schedule when its at the 4am fall-asleep zone
my wife has narcolepsy and while it does cause her some problems i am extremely envious of her ability to get in bed and fall asleep in like 5 minutes
If try to do that i fall asleep and like 5am and now its worse haha
🎊 made it to the one class i absolutely could not miss another meeting of, pleased to report that i was in fact correct and could not have afforded to miss that class. clearly my self-destructive war is justified and im right to wage it /nonserious
HELL YEAH GOOD JOB MAKING IT TO CLASS!
It's so easy to rot instead. You're powerful.
Fuck yeah!!!!
🥺 i even picked up my mail on the way back btw… everyone thinks im cool and so so strong for this. i think. and yezera is proud of me
i bet yezera wouldn't have been able to read the mail
It's true!
girl who has not picked up her mail in weeks
waaaa... thats so real
cheering u on...
I'll do it later today 
I really wante to cause it'll have my passport
but spending days off doing things is hard
cheering u on...!!
ok but actually fuck the mail
I love the USPS but who the fuck still sends paper mail besides the most annoying people on earth
I send my friends letters with wax seals sometimes.
It's fun.
Text messages are lovely, but a letter is more soliloquy's sent back and forth. There's no immediate response, so the messages are longer and contain more.
I don't think it's an obselete method of communication.
Also packages
yeah i was picking up packages
pakige
i can also see the appeal of, like- the physicality of letters? having smth to hold onto and preserve can be nice <- girl who doesn't send letters but can imagine why someone would enjoy sending/receiving them
packages are based but fuck all these worthless ass letters I receive from people and corporations I care nothing about
went to all my classes today
ive conquered my trials with sword in hand…
envy sweep ...
im basically a dutiful and brave and ever-stalwart lady knight. btw
and [remembers the purpose of this channel] ive begun to think on which dualtribe challenge i shall raise my blade against next...
If you attend all your classes until thanksgiving, you shall surely earn the fair princess' favor.
the dutiful lady knight takes things one day at a time, for she is of. highly limited capacity. highly highly limited capacity
being dutiful and brave and ever-stalwart does not exempt her from being bad at going outside, or from getting depressed... or, lest we forget, from The Horrors
assassin/scrapper has a lot of really really really good mons, including another single-stage fave zangoose beloved. and noble/tactician... i really wanna use vespiquen... and the type balance seems really good. slowking empoleon vespiquen + eventually teamujin is a rlly nice combo of mons
(granted, one of these combinations seems much more fitting for such an honorable warrior as i. the other would seem to befit a scoundrel of some sort...)
Good heavens no! Not the horrors! How horrid!
kind of shit alessa was saying to herself to get through college
Vespiquen is actually incredible, highly recommend.
I didn't know you were named Alessa irl!
wtf !!!!
i rlly want to use her... her girlswag
royal majesty plus noble follow me sounds disgusting
thats. oh my god. between that and [gestures vaguely] empoleon, i might have to noble/tactician just to hit zoe+bence with the most obnoxious team possible
i think what probably winds up happening is i start assassin/scrapper if im in the mood for something more lowkey, noble/tactician if im still on my bullshit. bc noble/tactician requires lvl20 frostflow skip for combee (unless im forgetting an early combee method, i dont have the game open rn)
suggesting radiant/caretaker (though not necessarily for this next run)
oooh maybe... im kind of picking my runs based on like, how much i like the mons in each dualtribe, though (having judged this to be a more sustainable way to go about it). that said ampharos is pretty universally lovable, so. im taking this into consideration
there is also ||[REDACTED]||
still working on it tho
Ampharos literally killed my grandma this is so problematic to say...
what can i say, i support womens wrongs #feminism
. kind of undermining my own post here but now im thinking abt ampharos thunderbolt hypereffective against #feminism the mantine. youtube clickbait video title electric types Killed feminism!?!?!?
radiant/caretaker seems like it has incredible mons ...
like oh no your 3-4 required mons are . ampharos, h typhlosion, frosmoth, and ho-oh. how can you make that viable
does cyndaquil have radiant/caretaker tribes or is it just h. typhlosion <- actually relevant question per bounty all-tribes rules, which im technically still adhering to
oh shoot that is a good point ..
i feel like i remember smth about that from the Night of Spreadsheet Golf where i went through a bunch of the dualtribes
cynd/quilava is just radiant alone
so you only have amph and snom .. do you have to like do a split evolution ..?
i thiiiink that means u either need lvl 20 ho-oh (id assume impossible? citation needed??) or, like. commit the cardinal sin of not playing by bounty rules and just doing a run for fun
ho-oh needs surf yeah 😔
parenthesis by bounty rules its trivial to do a radiant-caretaker run that counts as either tribe, but not both (you just beat eko + whoever else with a monotribe team and then pivot into dualtribe the moment it becomes possible to do so)
briefly read this as a movepool idea and envisioned a bright&beautiful world
woaw ..
go, my awqsome surfing phoenix…!!
where do we think ho-oh falls on the “pokemon that can swim” tierlist. like presumably somewhere above the “will actually die if u drop it in the ocean” tier, but i cant imagine it being Good at swimming
but like then again with that bst who am i to make the argument that like. you couldnt teach a ho-oh to swim given time and patience
these r the kind of beautiful insights me being sleep deprived will get u. thats a lie i would say shit like this off ten hours of sleep most days of the week
imagining the great legendary phoenix falling in water and squawking and flailing around
oh true I forgot about bounty rules. rip
(it's not actually a big deal and tbh might be overpowered lol. I just have fond memories of the combo from fixed encounters only + almost taking it to the Nuzlocke tournament)
(ohhh thats so cool.... it does seem like a rlly fun combo)
now i want to make a caretaker radiant team ..
more dia team ideas... cheering u on !!
ljksdgh thank you ..
ok im immediately tempted to go like h typhlosion, ampharos, frosmoth, ho oh, diancie, and idk togedemaru but . ground type ..
the nefarious ground type.....
meganium solves your ground problem and is also incredibly based
we made Meganium Good and that is worth celebrating imo lol
(also real talk ho-oh + Frosmoth sounds like enough stuff to deal with ground)
what does meganium do now ... i havent looked at it ...
i know she revives grass types but i wouldnt be able to use that much here ..
Breathe Life is only situationaly useful tbh
oooh root shelter, strength sap ...
What Meganium does is root shelter + strength Sap + giga drain + sit on things until the go down
yeah!
and also Terraform to reduce hazards, heal pulse and screens and such versus avatars and in doubles, fae veil to stop some of the worst statuses
it's a real fun huge tank + team support mon in a lot of different combinations
man there are so many good options for radiant caretaker this combo really is insane
sigilyph just scored a double bizarre + loaded dice wind tunnel ko to perfect a fight.... im so proud of her
omg good for her !!!
enjoyable screenshot
get his ass ...
240 damage 
heres the team im walking around with btw... its not very refined but its like. fun to walk around with, which is what counts
a bunch of angels ... 🥺
i rlly like how varied the mystic/animated mons are... youve got the classic "some kind of rock thats alive" ones, but then theres also makyandibuzz, and my bestfriend sigilyph :] and ofc metagross
(whos just animated but like, its easy enough to make room for a animated monotribe mon on the team. esp with fun mystic mons like papellumen)
and sunshine whos basically an honorary member of the dualtribe at this point
butterfly name funeral is kinda crazy
theyre cool as heq
:3 tyyyyyy
named after... lobcorp abnormality "funeral of the dead butterflies"...
the lobcorp naming scheme has kind of faded into the background but im glad i went with it overall, it made for some very fun names
the name is like half the reason ive paid so much attention to butterfree this playthrough tbh... which is rlly good bc sedating dust is. so so fun
butterfree awesome... butterfree cool&good...!!
also sigilyph is... rlly fun to use...
its. how do i put this. its a fairly standard bulky attacker, but the amount of aura it has with bizarre + loaded dice is inconceivable
wtf does bizarre do again
. lmao nevermind about "standard" even, she just clicked calm mind and then one-shot a multiscale dragonite with 5-hit pulsar
debuffs enemy spdef by one step on each attack hit
she has 83 base spa, is the thing
please.. dont kill my funny bird... you cant even get it until post-surf, and it has bad matchups into gyms 5 and 6.... her 83 base spa that you cant even boost with energy lock bc loaded dice is a necessary held item...
also, entirely unrelated to my funny bird, MASKED VILLAIN CANDY LETSGOOOOOOO
yuri stays winning...
you should murder regice…
regirock i think... candy is my masked villain crimson (sorry i didnt specify initially). unless theres some other meaning here im not getting
omg?
You can complete candy's personal quest before fighting masked villain teal
what happens if candy is supposed to be teal but you finish her quest first ..
. unrelated to the above: started speedrunning the portions of candy's quest i could do before fighting her as masked villain, and... bike on bench technique...
what if we were both girls and we kissed on the prizca west bench. and i was riding my bike, on the bench,
Not impossible if you just don't use battle reports! But otherwise yeah.
she isnt
and I guess she just takes regice with her…?
either way regice becomes permanently unavailable
Togedemaru yes very good very good.
🥺 candy regice bestfriends timeline...
tamarind vc "wait what the fuck why do u have regice"
candy vc "no it's okay, i'm good, i had character development. we're friends now- not, uh, you and me. me and regice are friends now"
Explosion exeggutor + breathe of life meganium is one of the great joys of life.
breathe life h.electrode because u are impatient…
breathe life on turn 5 of h.electrode being dead... minimum value breathe life strats...
Every regi leaves their person they fight with except Candy because Candy is just very friendly and fun to be with.
She deserves this.
Well in the regice disappearance timeline she never used it in a fight
She was just friends with it
masked villain crimson (candy) cursed perfect! really really fun fight
candy's team is so cool... i love her, like, anime protagonist teambuilding sensibility /pos. as expected its rlly rlly fun to have some new/varied fights sprinkled in through the back half of the game. im starting to get excited for the tournament
chesed is basically just here for the electric immunity, it lets me do a sunshine u-turns into chesed, nulls a zap cannon -> switch back into sunshine, null a profane -> repeat loop twice over for free value + chip damage on the otherwise very dangerous golurk (and then bait a switch-in to staraptor, which makyandibuzz counters cleanly enough to continue accumulating critical amounts of value)
cursed perfect victoire
nothing too fancy here, bronzong and makyandibuzz run away with the fight (tiphereth picked up a kill too)

the irony of being named victoire and being the biggest loser of the gym leaders
Of course it used to be Noel's name that was ironic, but now he really is taking No Ls
Envy you’re flying through the game so fast ..
Also it’s so impressive this team is defeating everything with so few substitutions ever being needed..
im fighting onwards...! with the power of mystic/animated...
omg me.......
u.....
anyway yeah its a fairly limited pool of mons but many of them are genuine fucking powerhouses

yeah absolutely. and tbh the pool for mystic/animated also has an impressive amount of option value - its pretty huge to be able to swap out the on-dualtribe mons and pick the three-to-five that work best in any given fight
bronzong and m.mandi make for a really good defensive core
and porygon-z is the single best pokemon in the game i am not biased
I have never used pory-z but it looks cracked
porygon-z is the goat no one does it like porygon-z <- surely we cant both be biased. surely not
genuinely three immunities plus adapted plus critical error, all on top of its really good special offensive statline, is like. insanely powerful. i dont think ive ever clicked a STAB move on pory-z and not hit like a truck
and a solid percentage of the time its switching in for free, and (if you have strong dark resist/immunes in back cough cough g rapidash) it's also enabling more free/near-free switch-ins
How does it feel running recover, like can it take a hit ..
Omg I just noticed your WHOLE TEAM is dark weak except rapidash FHFJFK
it simply baits attacks for rapidash to switch into 
ajsdlkfjDKLJFS normally i have at least a few non-dark-weak mons (stonjourner) but for victoire i wound up going all-in
does vicky even have any dark moves
Incredible …… your mind …
recover+vanguard is really really nice for like... how do i put this
theres a specific subset of mons that do medium-to-low physical damage, and recover+vanguard lets pory-z get free setup in
sucker punch on deceat, idk if theres any others
(and like, sucker punch might as well be a free setup turn)
its also worth noting that the third and fourth pory-z moveslots are often like... free real estate? like half the time im just clicking critical error or tri attack and something dies
since im running mystic protect on pory-z has also been nice as an essentially-free 25% boost, in situations where a full vanguard would be too risky to click
I should try this pokemon …
use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam use hyper beam
huh who said that
idk who said that but vee sounds very trustworthy... perhaps ill use hyper beam...
leyline burst is so beautifully clickable. its so peak
Do you find claydol gets like worn down much? That’s always what I worry about on a slow bulky mon w no recovery move ..
no but like
you know that one annoying ass condensed light trainer in the cave of hatching?
exhaust herb hyper beam porygon-z solos it, lol
omg... <- girl who remembers that trainer i think. pain in the ass to perfect
Omg yeah I remember her..
yall aint ready for my fight in the dev building next version 👀
youd never guess what at least 5.5 of my pokemon are
she screm at you
thats right. pupitar.
Speaking candidly my main experience with it is in the nuzlocke
Where it serves a very important but very simple role

admittedly i dont use claydol like. for long stretches of time / in a very load-bearing role, so im not sure... in my experience it doesnt wind up being necessary for long stretches of time, if that makes sense? in my experience u generally want it to click leyline burst on a poison or steel type, maybe set a screen for value, and then switch out
Its big contribution is oneshotting Cobalion's first few phases, running one screen for support, then having ground and a coverage.
Its also really good into Titanix but that fight is a joke generally. Would be alright into Victoire if she wasn't pretty easy and at the point where legends are fairly accessable
But its great into trainers as a nuclear button and screen setter, just need to pilot it carefully so it doesn't die before it clicks the buttons.
I see I see … makes sense ..
im using it into sang 2 rn and its pretty good there as well - ground gem claydol lead outspeeds and one-shots registeel with leyline burst even through chatot's fascinate
what happens when u use it on garbodor…
16x effective…
Notable
The game implodes from the damage number
we've seen what damage numbers the game can handle,,,
i think that would do at least 31 damage
Leyline Burst into Poison/Steel: 
Leyline Burst into Flying/Dark: 
Leyline burst is a really well made double type move imo. Instead of each type kind of cancelling the other out to be a nothing move like flying press, it's got the clear niche of obliterating steel or poison types.
I had some good use of Baltoy against Eko too, ground psychic is a lovely typing for that fight.
And magic bounce always has utility.
free switch in on any status move ..
does leyline burst get double stab .... because its both of claydols types .....
I don't believe so.
It does not, no.
Noted. Getting Baltoy before hand is mildly annoying but I'll be keeping this in mind
i think claydol's design is neat so we should give it double stab and also a unique ability that is magic bounce + claydol counts as a steel type ...
trying to figure out how one would use porygon-mav (one of the few dualtribe mons i havent used at some point during this playthrough. the other being m. gigalith which. admittedly i literally just forgot abt m. gigalith tbh / have always had more than enough rock/psychic options)
i am also trying to figure that one out haha
i think theres some merit to like, a whetstone set with electroslash? but its a rough one
yeah pory-mav has been on my mind bc like... it has a lot of Stuff but i feel like id have to use it pretty intensively in order to figure out which of its Stuff is actually workable in practice. 95/105/105 defenses is pretty solid, and unafraid gives it a bug double-resist and eight resists total, which seems... good defensively, if not super exciting? on the other hand, yeah, blade moves offensively
i do wonder about porygon-mav and how to use it
evil and intimidating ground move:
imma be real when i used it in my current run it was an air balloon set
My one experience with it is trying to use Quarentine against Victoire, and having it get oneshot by something in the Nuzlocke
tbh the ground quad-weakness is almost one of the things i like most about mav <- girl whos time with the immunities team has conditioned her to treat hyper weaknesses as convenient ai bait
yeaaaah 
Used to be broken though, from what I have heard
i think that if val goes back to work for mavis post-game mavis should give her a porygon-mav and val can befriend it as a living embodiment of all shes sacrificed for something close to her mother's love
like choice band with electroslash, flare blitz and 2 coverage moves might be something
yeah nodsnods. could do like... tailwind speed support...
It reads like a vester to me.
it gets tailwind what
Wacky
oh no i meant like. on another mon
dang
<- girl who was thinking about mav in the context of like, whole-team support asjdfklsjdkfld
IT GETS CURSED OATH?
HELP
mav getting oath seems kinda weird flavourfully
was it given to pory line before mav existed because z is ghost?
that was my immediate thought yeah
yeah its inherited from porygon
It carries some of Mavis' hatred
should we move it up from pory to be pory-z exclusive lol
it's weird because the flavour fits better on z but hte gameplay probably fits bettert on mav
Probably, but a chat for #💡-pure-design
nodnod just raising the point in the conversation where it came up
Oooh mysterious unaccessable channel
evil and initmidating channel:
porygon-mav used quarantine on the channel...
anyway yeah quarantine used to be a protect that disabled whatever move hit it
which is... yeah thats broken
wait omg it gets faraday cage (trapping move) too
wait thats a true combo
pory-mav premier cursed oath user.........
cursed oath/recover/faraday cage/protect or numb or smth? and then recovery item or, like, crystal veil if the ground weakness is too much
mav does actually have a very good profile outside of the ground
Very little reason to run veil there
id say balloon or covert cloak
That set can't do much to ground anyways, so you just need to be aware of coverage
ooo covert cloak.....
(ty i was wondering if id missed it for a moment)
sang down :]
btw metagross was the ever loving GOAT of this fight. switched in and proceeded to get 3 consecutive KOs with seer strike and steel beam, trivializing the entire back half. it didnt even have a damage boosting item equipped
thank you AA Helper
for your AA Help
ive been singing berserk stonjourner's praises throughout this run but ofc power spot stonjourner is, unsurprisingly, a house in doubles. power spot helping hand boosted steel beam KOd exploud from like 80-85%
I thought metagross was mediocre because it doesn't deal 1 metagrillion damage? Surely I wasn't misled..
Also wow HH power spot seems disgusting.
go metagross ... destroy them ..
i should try metagross more jsldghc
also power spot is so fun
yeah HH power spot is genuinely absurd. if i was put on the spot to build a generalist team for doubles atp i think id just go like, HH power spot stonjourner plus seismitoad with spread moves or smth. mb CV ghost stonjourner and some goofy explosion strat?
I'm partial to amp up pachirisu with a slow strong pokemon but this seems great too to double down on more damage.
psh what kind of bozo would use goofy explosion strats for major double battles ...
one of plusle or minun gets an ability for like 30% more damage for the doubles partner and gets a unique move that guarantees their move is a critical hit which seems nice
helping hand that also makes you ignore defense boosts/attack drops
that and fury swipes loaded dice rending claws zangoose...... <- the specific crit mon ive been thinking about
Disgusting honestly.
I'd say that and an archeops but archeops is my enemy (didn't do as much damage as I wanted).
sniper kabutops spamming rockalanche with auto crit support move maybe to hit both ?
then again resonance probably boosts damage as much or more
this is somethingi 've been wanting to do too
like specifically drop its atk SP so that it gets more hits and more stat drops without killing things kajsdf;lkja;fklj
tankgoose
zan, the goose
wait omg thats so fun/wise... tankgoose...
but doctor... i am zangoose
tbh for my next run im debating just going
full crit strats
omg youre zangoose!! im a big fan
<- the doctor, presumably
crit strats run sounds rlly fun...
g slowbro looks neat, i peeked at it once for a puzzle room team ..
glowbro is kind of a celebrity tbh
omg..?
glowbro is. so good
yeah like. idk i just see it used a lot jakdflja
or at least its fans really love it
hi its me
pictured above: its fans
btw not related to anything but now that i'm occasionally being openly plural on here. it's funny to look at the whole self insert battle mod thing i have. "the modder's friend, vice" yeah sure buddy
This + witch flare / overheat / psycho boost Delphox.
...I really wanna build that team now.
witch flare my beloved
omgggggg
tbh alters in pokemon battles mod goes rlly rlly hard
flare kinda mid thou
I've really wanted to use delphox all of my current run but keep putting it off because what if I want a different starter...
flare so swagful though…
flare is awesome what do you MEAN
wasnt there at least one or two final fantasies where flare was actually mid 😔
idk i only play 14
omg ...
flare is often awkward because it's more efficient to hit aga spells into elemental weaknesses
yeah exactly
look at my beautiful mount
omg
ignore all the mmo gui haha
I should try ff14.
god the fucking monki
Actually no nvm it was a moment of weakness.
its pretty damn good! if youve got the time to invest
wow mothbomb are you thinking of trying critically acclaimed mmorpg final fantasy 14 with free trial up to level 60 including award winning expansions stormblood and heavensward
its actually up to 70 now
omg
stormblood is level 70
i swear when i was on twitter sometimes i would just see ppl tweet "i might try ff14" and then a week later theyre talking about the whole spiel advertising it to everyone
ffxiv rlly is like that……
its kinda like that
i still need to finish stormblood at some point
It's sorta like that.
omg it does….
youre motivating me…. <- girl whod only heard that it was mid
also, Hien is hot
I think if I get a third game to juggle alongside silksong replays and tectonic nuzlocke I'll collapse.
But ooooh it looks fun...
im a raging dyke but i can still appreciate that that boy is hawt
i wont lie i cannot remember what hien looks like (and wont look up a ffxiv character for fear of spoilers)
stormblood is, if nothing else, better than ARR
i actually havent played any video games but tectonic in ages ...
wait and farm simulator w some friends
this is extremely real yeah, even just from my limited memory of stormblood
OH HIM
YEAH
it's so funny to me that ARR is like. the reboot that turned FF14 around from a disaster into the beloved game it is today. but now that other expansions exist, in the context of FF14 as a whole it's like
😬
yeah im not rlly into men these days but i can concede that hes not the worst looking guy out there- ALSO TRUE
sorry final fantasy character design peaked with lulu ff10
same.
I was like "oh I don't really care for men but he can threaten me with his sword and I'd swoon"
arr is like a solid 6/10
which is fine, but when everything after is at least an 8/10...
You're a fake gamer...
lesbians are allowed a few "yeah he's objectively attractive" men
mine are kazuma asogi and, regrettably, kaname date af;kldjaf;
(both from pretty spoilerful games so don't go googlin)
everyone in stormblood is so hot tbh
lyse, gosetsu, sadu, yotsuyu
<- girl who just got reminded sadu exists
shit,,,
dont know those names? dont worry about it
i havent even played hollow knight
have u played mario
yes
Have you played silksong?
then ur a real gamer
no ...
i've spent like a month in a fugue only able to replay vampire survivors and terraria. grindy brainless mush
Go play silksong.
tbh my thing with arr is like. the answers video-cutscene-thing is one of the best parts of arr to me and its not even properly part of arr. like probably influenced by how ive recently played it as a rhythm game level a bunch but like, that shit Hits
imma be real
i wouldnt recommend skong to people that arent too experienced with gaming
lilypad says im already a real gamer so i dont need silksong ..
Dia it has women.
ive played a lot of games in my day !! just not as much recently ..
my evil&fucked up silksong take that will get me killed by moth is that i think silksong is exceptional but its like, a 3.5 out of 5 on my backloggd entirely just bc of how ridiculously punishing it is
legit
i bounced off hollow knight. so. just not my thing as it turns out
Try dodging and you won't die. When I kill you.
mothbomb how bad is ur runback
[speaking faster in my final moments] like having gotten true ending in silksong i dragged myself through act 3 on basically pure sunk cost-
i've said this before but it's so annoying because like. i live in the same city as team cherry. there's nothing cool from here. except hollow knight. so i'd love to like hollow knight. but i don't
2 bilewater.
what is runback ... is that like hollaback from the one song ..

(its having to run back to the boss after dying to it, because your respawn point is far away from the boss arena)
Anyway silksong is an incredible game and I adore it and also do not listen to me Dia, you know I'm a sick fuck when it comes to games.
i enjoy games for sickos 💯
Oh that game is nice yeah.
what is that ..
its a lil roguelike bullet hell game about loving weirdly shaped women
Also could try uhhh rabbit and steel.
mothbomb you have impeccable taste
omg i was thinking of getting rabbit and steel eons ago bc a friend was playing it lsdkghj
oh i've been meaning to try rabbit and steel because i enjoyed mmo raid combat in ff14 way more than i expected
rabbit and steel is getting dlc soon i heard
Or, and hear me out, play silksong. It's a really accessible game, try modding it to always have The Parasite if it's too easy.
hammer rabbit....
It is! Very excited.
mothbomb we need to play rabbit and steel together 
[two masks away from death] dia dont listen to her, shes the deceiver, silksong is really good but also overtuned in ways that make it frustrating and inaccessible-
yeah like
oh she's the deciever? I can oneshot her easily then 
ow oofie ouch
silksong is perfect for someone like me
who is very accustomed to video james and gaming and the like
video james
(also rabbit and steel good :] btw)
Yes yes.
im also the kind of person to see a relentless challenge and be like
bet
envy we need to play rabbit and steel together
we should make a rabbit and steel thread to play game together
i would rabbit and steel with yall you are chill ..
Dia we need to play rabbit and steel together
i am never chill but i can try
omg rabbit and steel gaming… id be so down…. 
what bugs me about hollow knight and silksong is like
they're billed by people as "the best indie metroidvanias"
but a huge amount of their appeal to people is the extremely tight and punishing combat
which isn't for everyone. and like. both actual metroid and actual igavania are pretty dang easy on the combat side of things
dang if people are rabbit and steel gaming that might make me bite the bullet on getting it
Luna we need to play Rabbit and Steel together
if you want an indie metroidvania with a lot of weird exploration
rabi-ribi
I do feel bad because it's the absolute perfect difficulty for me, not too hard but still challenging. Do wish other people could enjoy it so, but game difficulty is a problem with no perfect solutions.
emmi we need to play rabbit and steel together
slight nsfw content warning on that but yeah
yes darling
i played . uhhh . spider man ps 4 on the highest difficulty 😎
nodsnodsnods
<- girl who was slightly below the target skill level probably, as indicated by her clearing everything but being frustrated
Why play a metroidvania when you can play a metroidbrainia
Play outer wilds, tunic and lingo
Trust me i cant tell you anythung you just gotta do it-
rabbit and steel thread sounds funful and id be down….
TUNIC SO GOOD
i played like 90% of the outer wilds and then like got distracted by life and stopped playing immediately before the end
TUNIC SO FUN
Tiny fopx game
A few years ago I fully lost my ability to be frustrated at games for being hard, so I cannot relate.
willowcore
I played 1000 hours of league of legends (before it became bad) so im basically immune to salt now
omg
your power… youre just like metagross (rebalanced 3.4 edition where she does a metagrillion damage). meanwhile im unfortunately metagross (3.3 edition, takes recoil from steel beam which is silksong in this extended metaphor i think)
I quit like a decade ago, on god
(This happened because I played a ton of splatoon 3 salmon run.)
what are we some kind of league of rabbits and steel
league was fun when i played it i wish the community was. not what it is
I only play high quality mobas like pokemon unite.
from what ive heard abt salmon run thatll do it, yeah <- girl who played splatoon 3 story mode but not the multiplayer modes very much
moth is metagross in pokemon unite
I'd play at EVP 999 in freelance to unstress. The cacophony of the battlefield and the 200 things happening at once was soothing.
Tectonic playerbase not be the most based people in the world challenge: impossible
I think this is how like. Ww1 vets talk, lmao
lmao
Gathering the youth (go-getter 40 ranked players) around to tell them about my war stories on Marooner's Bay.
I kinda wish my hype around splat3 didnt die as quick as it did
Game's good
sitting&listening attentively
<- girl whos only played low-rank salmon run
pokemon tectonic is like splatoon salmnon run for girls for whom silksong is like maro brothers
wait omg metagross is actually in pokemon unite… <- girl who looked it up bc she thought it was a joke. theres
in there…
Its kinda crazy how i end up playing the tank in most games
Pokemon type? Rock
Ff14? Gunbreaker
Rabbit and steel? Defender rabbit
Monster hunter? Gunlance
U will never damage me or my friends
Godddd gunbreaker is so cool but I'm a tanxious baby
I even played tanks back when i played league and overwatch, omg
I'm the girl who doesn't mind summoner being a boring brain-dead class because it means I can actually play it
Legit
ffxiv tanking scares me… the responsibility….
I like summoner tbh
Tho i also dont know where it came from
Its not that bad because people dont really mind if u mess up
Every time people complain about summoner not being complex enough I'm like "please,,, leave me this one thing, you have every other class in the game"
Plus u can always etoooo-bleh your way out if any situation
I'd be happier learning tank and healer if I had a consistent friend group I could raid with but le timezones
Now healer. Healer is scary
:( the thing with me is that my head will explode if anyones meanies to me online even once. my special ability that hurts me and doesnt help me
I can see if you can join our raiding group maybe
I think were in similar timezones
Thats fair tbh. Im getting in the 65-75 range on all 4 tanks and ive litterally never had anyone give me shit
It was a stormy evening, working on the rusted ship. About halfway into my climb was I, with not a loss to mar my perfect record. I set my sights upon the top of the employee rankings, vowing to get there flawlessly. But then... deep into the second wave, while flyfish bombarded us and stingers struck us down, my trusted teammates... they disappeared, leaving but me and another poor squid behind to fend for ourselves. We clawed through wave 3, two squids against the endless salmon horde, steel eels on our heels, the ground splattered pure green... and somehow, we met the quota, we survived. But then there was a terrible rumblin' beneath our feet, and a deep roar from below, and we knew our shift was far from over. The Megalodontia was here to finish us off...
I mean right this moment this is hypothetical I don't plan to resub for a while fjakdk
Thats so legit
Weve been going at a pretty slow pace either way bevause were all still going through the game
We did the alexander raids recently, and are currently trying to beat up thordan ex
the fearsome megalodontia…! thats so scary…
How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man
(We didn't win the extra wave shockingly, but I did manage to get EVP 999 with no losses that rotation!)
your awqsome skills…
I almost always play some sort of mage.
Gotta love mages
I love casting spells.
yooo that'd be cool
mages fun
Shadow wizard mothbomb gang
wasnt there a tweet that was like "healers are sweet and kind, tanks just want to be useful, and dps should be a slur" ..
<- girl who mained ninja
this is inaccurate, I am not sweet nor kind
Dis u?
I will refuse to heal you if you annoy me :(




