tbh I wanna see if Darkrai has a strong use case
#Emmi's Curselocke but in the cool kids channel
worthy minnow
or if cress is just that much better
cause darkrai is just a fun guy and blood moon does a LOT of damage
patent folio
tbh I wanna see if Darkrai has a strong use case
Never done their quest. Are they the same location
worthy minnow
yeah they both offer to join you at the end of the quest
grave steppe
honestly the biggest reason why Darkrai doesn't come up is just because the game hands you a bunch of eclipse tools and not moonglow tools
(well that and the Eclipse tools are generally more varied & interesting IMO)
worthy lark
Stat drops are more synergistic than flinches and dragon type means you get all the cool pseudos
I've repeatedly tried to make a moonglow team and often failed to find one I'm happy with (though I do remember using moonglow castform in one Dev run)
surreal bolt
Moonglow is hard to build yeah
grave steppe
Stat drops are more synergistic than flinches and dragon type means you get all ...
my issue with moonglow, at least when I tried to make a Darkrai team, is that there's a lot of moonglow abilities that are just some variation of boost attack/speed in moonglow. There's some other unique abilities, but even those are often a form of boosting stats -- Moon Basking restores HP and so increases your lifespan, Solo Nocturne raises defense, Moon Blanket reduces damage. I didn't feel like there were a lot of powerful Moonglow abilities that let the team really do something different, if that makes sense? and combine that with Moonglow just causing flinches, a thing you're probably doing with Fake Out anyway in doubles because you're not bound to the full moon timer, you're not really getting much out of it except for hitting harder
worthy minnow
moonglow I feel like is mostly incidental upside
rather than a hardcore build around
surreal bolt
I think cuz its like
Rain abusers - swampert, jolteon
Sand abusers - rampardos, excadrill
Eclipse abusers - salamence, starmue
Moonglow - noctowl, dustox, volbeat, alolacate, mightyena, etc
Are the stats closer now? Yeah, but it still feels very different puttinf mightyena on your team vs salamence
grave steppe
rather than a hardcore build around
that feels more or less right? granted I only really used moonglow in the perspective of testing/breaking Dark Void, but there I was basically using it as additional pressure to enable the actual gameplan (which was jet stream into ursaluna and deceat punch people really hard). whereas when I make a team around eclipse, it's always an Eclipse Team; rain felt similar
surreal bolt
Theres not even a fairy with 2x speed in moonglow
Wait theres like no fairies with moonglow synergies
Mr mime, gorebyss, shiinotic, primarina and sensibelle
Clefable, geezing and alomomola as setters
With alolacate, bewear, ursaluna, sensibelle and noctowl theres as many normal types with moonglow stuff as fairies
grave steppe
huh
grave steppe
you know, I had the general idea that moonglow was undercooked (that's why there at least used to be a 'moonglow boring??' item on the to-do list) but I didn't realize the general spread was an issue
grave steppe
no it looks similar to the 3.3 list
similar enough that I see basically everything you mentioned I mean
surreal bolt
Dang
patent folio
(Also politely can we move this 🧹)
patent folio
Lotad!
patent folio
Its a lilypad. Lombre and Ludicolo are Kappa
worthy minnow
Any more encounters before raf?
worthy minnow
oh we trekkin
patent folio
not even been to LuxTec yet lol
went chasm -> yez2 -> Repora -> Velenz -> Chasm
And am now backtracking for encounters
SCREAMING TEAMMMMM
worthy minnow
the scream team
patent folio
I'm going to get punished one of these days
what flavor of psychic do I want...
(also what weather although Munna's weather association is weak)
Going with Munna cause I've not used it before
seems like a fun locket user
worthy minnow
i plan on using Munna as a moonglow abuser
seems fun to send her in on a full moon, bag a free sleep, maybe even energy herb cryo sleep another one
patent folio
yee
worthy minnow
beheeyem is machop coded anyways using it would probably make you anxious
patent folio
yeahhhh
I mean astral harvest is defo an option
tricky one
Wait
Sound team and fletchling
me when I fucking lie
(anyways may save this one for Clarion..)
patent folio
Helena planning time...
worthy minnow
what's the box looking like
worthy minnow
where is my man unown
patent folio
still have several encounters
patent folio
where is my man unown
in the dungeon
(not bothered getting him yet)
(same with Absol Geodude and M!Munna)
(and Zigzagoon)
Motor Drive Lairon probably is coming, as is Toxtricitry
Would like another ground type but.
worthy minnow
servine seems like a decent choice in a vacuum
patent folio
yeah
worthy minnow
do you have access to autumn blast yet
patent folio
yes
patent folio
definetely an option
may be the option unless I want to try and roll my water starter and hope for Marshtomp
Unown caught!
Just realized Musharna M!Musharna is a cool combo
worthy minnow
Eepy gang
patent folio
not what I was hoping for
rugged kelp
the round one
patent folio
he'll be good for noel at least
Rolled water, got Popllio
This doesn't help me here but more SCREAMING
worthy minnow
have you missed whismur yet
if there's still a chance for whismur that shit would go nutty bananas mode
worthy minnow
we are officially geared up for nutty bananas mode
worthy minnow
what are your five so far
patent folio
Sets are not finalized
I'm considering trumbeak for hazard removal reasons
and also exploitable electric weakness
worthy minnow
could go grab mareanie
patent folio
true, but that's not like... super helpful?
worthy minnow
bulky water type seems at least okay to me
patent folio
probably better than Toxtricity?
Regenerator is nice..
Tragically I don't have flame spikes mons that aren't Camerupt
Could roll sewers and try for Garbodor actually...
worthy minnow
sounds like a solid idea
patent folio
Problem is that means more than likely no M!carnivine
cause I don't wanna give up Magneton for it
worthy minnow
No way to know till you roll it
worthy minnow
oh right
patent folio
Goodbye Machoke
You're big Knock will be missed
(yes I did pass it on
could bring Gothorita as well.
worthy minnow
clingy is an ability
grave steppe
I guess you're going to eat a boreal wind from wailmer with toxtricity and hit it back with shock wave? in which case you don't need a ghost
worthy minnow
I am curious to see how good it is on Gothitelle so this would be a great data point for exactly the situation I want to test
grave steppe
assuming you have flame spikes up and you have counters for prinplup and luxio, mareanie would be pretty solid into kingler i think
patent folio
assuming you have flame spikes up and you have counters for prinplup and luxio, ...
Don't have a flame spiker outside of Camerupt sadly
and not sure when camerupt would be able to get in
grave steppe
CVing Camerupt and leading it works well enough
patent folio
that's.... a good idea
grave steppe
as it turns out, if you're faster than Chinchou you can fire spin and keep it from volt switching out too
patent folio
like cv ground or grass?
grave steppe
if you want you can go fire spin - incinerate - flame spikes as your set and burn up the cado berry too
that should give you enough juice to just wear down chinchou with camerupt after flame spikes
patent folio
and mud shot as 4th?
patent folio
pretty spicy...
grave steppe
if you have access
patent folio
no idea
grave steppe
it's definitely mon-dependent at this stage of the game (hell it's half the reason why I took shieldon this run)
grave steppe
goddamnit
grave steppe
thank you for letting me know
TRUE
I'm guessing that Gothorita might be decent against Lunatone? A. Meowth does decently against it, and Gothorita might have better stats etc
patent folio
yeah
good idea..
may just try and not do flame spikes though. this looks like
rougher than Helena XD
grave steppe
. . . yeah, reasonable
you're kinda missing a thing for hitmonlee
well
herdier
herdier might work?
patent folio
you're kinda missing a thing for hitmonlee
Lillipup takes like 80% from drop kick
grave steppe
doesn't it evolve at 25
patent folio
no
grave steppe
it says it evolves at 20 . . . ?
grave steppe
lmao
patent folio
anyways yeah gothorita does work for lunatone
plant doubt traps it and then I can wish pass the turn it dies
patent folio
yeah
I was looking at Mareinie
Cause it doesn't take tooooo much from current crash, and can spread waterlog on the switch in
but its not... great
grave steppe
yeah
and the switch-in is probably copperajah and that's the least threatening thing
and you'd rather plant doubt and leech lunatone
grave steppe
yeah
would be easier if it didn't switch unfortunately
and trumbeak is too slow to do a fast kill it looks like
patent folio
yeah
It'd need to take a current crash
May just need to pass this one
this is looking like what I've got for the helena team
Probably give boots to Lairon
Lil kid is goin down
This dude has one answer for mareinie and its a explodive
grave steppe
makes sense yeah
toxtricity feels like the thing that switches in all the time and lairon's your counter
grave steppe
This dude has one answer for mareinie and its a explodive
the voltorb that only knows self-destruct is so funny
put shuppet in a slot to flex on him; that's what i ususally do
patent folio
very sad I have no ground move for it other than mud slap (the 40 base power one)
patent folio
put shuppet in a slot to flex on him; that's what i ususally do
I just used Lairon
It went down to 60% or so
Big issue with this team is Luxio...
grave steppe
oh true
grave steppe
I guess that should work well enough
grave steppe
potentially a spot where farming a covert cloak to not get frostbitten could be decent
patent folio
true...
eh
Its probably not better than sitrus here? Worst case I click ignite and switch
But... nah yeah I'll go get it
grave steppe
yeah
it's basically sitrus but it prevents some real stupid flinch into frostbite fiction etc
patent folio
gpt ot
got it*
ok
Lets do this
WAIT OH FUCK HOLD ON
I have a GROUND MOVEEEE
Covert cloak payed off
grave steppe
yay!
shy stump
patent folio
SORRY FOR THE DELAY I WAS POPPING OFF WITH MY ROOMMATE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PERFECTTTTT
worthy lark
Nice!
patent folio
glad I got a 2nd cloak for servine, thank you so much for the suggestion @grave steppe
Prinplup almost went quite bad
But thankfully Servine's stall set that I used for Chinchou was able to finish it off after Mareinie chunked it down
i'm going to SLEEP
worthy lark
Goonai
grave steppe
night!!
patent folio
Also yeah Covert was the right take there. Went off once on camerupt and a few times on Servine,
Also defog Servine. Sadly didn't get to click it since I really didn't wanna risk waterlog if I could avoid it (and managed to) but its cool tech 
grave steppe
it's neat yeah!
patent folio
Do find it quite funny that it learns defog but not leech seed, but stall tank Servine does sound gross
patent folio
Regrabbing Charmeleon for the same reason I grabbed Servine before
Trumbeak has met with an unfortunate fate.
Of "oh I forgot about Light Trick FUCK"
The skill linker curse is growing
alright
not doing this right now, both because I need to go to work and because I need to go do some prep
grave steppe
Of "oh I forgot about Light Trick FUCK"
oh my god the exact same trainer too
patent folio
Lmfao
worthy minnow
should light trick announce itself on entry the way swift stomps and maestro do
patent folio
....yeah probably
patent folio
ok lets get back to this
this+Unown is my current box
Still have fossil & Absol & Geodude & Happiny avaliable
Banette is definitely coming along, Servine probably is as well
Lombre's Grey Mist and Fake Out means its probably a lead
Puzzle Room kinda fucks his team
But not a lot in my box really likes puzzle room.
hmmmm
H!Polteageist would be nice
Does anyone know if the Kilna gauntlet has a doubles?
worthy lark
Off the top of my head I don't think it does
grave steppe
honestly the correct option if you didn't specifically disallow trading fixed encounters
patent folio
the screaming gang has grown to titanic proportions
grave steppe
hilarious
also potentially useful in the right situation! (can Exploud echo Wall of Sound?)
grave steppe
yeah
wild encounters are good for that, or honestly i might try in debug at some point
patent folio
alright, Kilna gauntlet
patent folio
first trainer killed
no real worries there, golisopod and toxtricity do really well there
patent folio
Got distracted but getting back into it
think I'm gonna bomb the last 2 here
Leaf and Ice stone got
worthy minnow
patent folio
Seel get
rolling sewer
TRUBBY TIMEEEE
bulky, good type, extra passive damage
Solosis is also solid but I think Donster is just crazy
worthy minnow
What
worthy minnow
oh the garbage bag is the crazy lady
patent folio
Yep!
grave steppe
Solosis is also solid but I think Donster is just crazy
the thing about donster is that it's a unique anti-avatar tech that you basically can't get anywhere else
in addition to being a great defender and steel type and all that, also gets unique knock-off that does extra damage and doesn't take up a status slot
worthy minnow
sadly I suspect the yelling team does not get to make its debut vs Rafael
grave steppe
(and then you can use it to do stuff like knock off Virizion's Proxy Fist without triggering Heart of Justice)
worthy minnow
also trash treasure persists across phases
patent folio
sadly I suspect the yelling team does not get to make its debut vs Rafael
yeah no
I need to figure out my lead here.
may be a geodude cash in for M!Carni
worthy minnow
da count is good as hell
patent folio
is my camerupt becoming a goner XD
patent folio
funky
going to get the count, and geneviere just fucking threw
"oh she led with a bronzor, let me click rapid spid for 5 damage"
"oops I got mage handed let me click rapid spin again"
Carni get
patent folio
Raf is down
One loss I don't care about, one loss that's a bit more of a bummer.
We are in the midgame
patent folio
alright, lets beat up Yez3
patent folio
ok planning for Titanix cause its actually pretty scary here
cashing in a few more encounters to see if I can make any aid
hmmm
not helpful here but Pachi is nice
Bad Luck is a bonkers ability
Very interesting
wth
why does it get electric coverage by level up lmao
and Flabebe!
that one was uh
me forgetting I hadn't gotten and was saving park, but like
not bad?
Really wanna save cave for clarion, so I'll have to put something together with this
think the plan is bronzong stalls it, and banette curses it
lets
do it
that
was stressful
plan admittedly
went a little awry
but teching in clear smog on golisopod helped a ton, let Trevanent tear it in half with Vim rippers
almost lost shootstar because I forgot that avatars will use struggle if they don't have another option
alright
lets figure this shit out
grave steppe
everyone needs one of those
patent folio
alright, gotta go to sleep but yez3 is getting punted tommorow
patent folio
Alright, here's the plan
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Garbodor leads, attempts to set up flame spikes on illumise. If instantly swap to Malamar, switch in Camerupt to finish the job. Massive shame Payapa berry is post surf or else that'd make this easy.
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Bronzong can easily handle Miltank and Barbaracle, especially when they are burned.
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M!Carni oneshots Gourgeist and comfortably switches in on Seance or Bullet Seed
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Lairon is the optimal counter for Raichu, immune to electric moves and quad resists null pulse.
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Malamar get slaughtered by first impression from Golisopod, even through reflect
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Illumise worst case gets pp stalled, but should be killable by garbodor or camerupt if they are unstatused
Lets take 'er down
patent folio
flame spikes didn't actually work out that well
forgot about the raichu joke jolt
But we pulled through
grave steppe
I'm wondering whether picking the right Crystal Veil stops Yez from swapping there
she should be very easy to beat with Flame Spikes, but she always seems to swap out. Unless that's because she sees a status move and swaps to the Taunt Pokemon to compensate? I think the AI does that more generally; old-look Noel's Mr. Rime would always Taunt you if you tried to bring a status move against him
patent folio
prepped for Virizion, since my box is set up to demolish it, but gotta get through the annoying trainers before it first
patent folio
Seaking guy, its time for you to fall
grave steppe
pretty sure that's accessable at this point
checked this because I was curious; it is accessible, but only via stealing off Lotad (but still a good tech to keep in mind!)
patent folio
very solid yes
Swimmer Jan dead, although my heart skipped a beat, had to do a scary strat for annihilape since my main answer for him was too weak
grave steppe
oof. but good you got with everything intact!
I feel like how hard he is is entirely dependent on whether you have a normal/ghost
well the annihilape at least; there are other scary parts of that team
patent folio
yeah, banette ended up having to take out spinda and force beheyyem to get frostbitten, but that meant it was at half health for when annihilape came out, so had to pivot a bit and finish it off with obstruct into throat chop
patent folio
not seeing a great way to handle this battle girl. May redirect to cobalion or just smoke her
worthy minnow
doubles is hard
grave steppe
yeah she's really annoying
I was lucky that I had hyper jet to outspeed prankster sunshine
do you have any prankster pokemon? wondering if you could Bar Sudowoodo
the other way would be fake out into KO I guess, but then you have to worry about the other side
patent folio
Closest I have to a plan is cvground dewgong counter sets rain and then utility umbrella Dromerupt kills sudo, but that comes with the problem of her just spamming water type weather bursts
grave steppe
ooooh yeah that's an issue
unfortunate
well you are getting the stink bomb refill soon, though cobalion is also beatable
patent folio
Yeah. I'll see how I feel tommorow
patent folio
yeah I'm gassing this bich
patent folio
easy peasy
fun fact! 1 damage per hit isn't very painful, even if it does hit 19 times
I hope you enjoyed Charizards rocky helmet Virizion <3
worthy lark
blade of grass is so funny
patent folio
but uh yeah, gonna get some sleep
not gonna try and plan for underleveled Noel rn, or try and get to Priz west
patent folio
alright
time for the money grind
I want money to shop at Emma's, and also to buy a cat
...probably worth me going to get Purrserker first
patent folio
welp I misplayed about 5 times against collector Mirko but uh no deaths so not punished
patent folio
Prizca West achiebed
patent folio
so
Gotta figure out if I'm doing Noel or ZoeBence first
Probably ZoeBence because I have a solid strategy for it
patent folio
was my team last time
only pokemon I don't still have is Golem & Swampert
Who, very convinently, did nothing in this fight
I can probably more or less rip this fight, filling in Dewgong dying with a Delcatty switch
but first, lets kill the trainers
@grave steppe when u get a sec, were you able to use clarion in fishing contest?
worthy minnow
could just test and then reset
patent folio
don't have it yet is the thing
that also feels disengenous
more a question of do I just go roll it now or save it
worthy minnow
testing game mechanics isn't disingenuous imo
but yeah I understand the dilemma here
patent folio
whoops, ran into a piggy on acciden\
grave steppe
<@551467080990457897> when u get a sec, were you able to use clarion in fishing ...
I never actually tried tbh
I'll test that for you in a few (after I fight Eko lol)
patent folio
cool
patent folio
Made it to Zoe and Bence, I have a guarenteed strat here that only costs my galar fossil, so this is cake. Fight in a few hours
worthy minnow
Costs as in you need to cash it in or as in dracovish dies
patent folio
the former
would kill dewgong previously but with the Safe Passage fix implimented it is now deathless
patent folio
got a bit distracted, and had to make a few on the fly adjustments due to ai changes from Safe Passage working, but we WIN THESEEE
dinner time then lets clear Noel's gym!
patent folio
Alright. Screaming team is officially super viable now that Arclamor is fully evolved. If we get there hopefully I'll out scream Sang
patent folio
Alrighty then
Noel's gym trainers went by fairly painlessly, strength herb golisopod and Bronzong's odd room saw to that
lets clap this poser
worthy minnow
he's a lover not a fighter
patent folio
Stoutland is coming along for sure, he perma stalls 4 of these mons
Considering picking up Armaldo
Slowbro also seems like a solid bring, although would lock me out from slowking
M!Polteageist is.... tricky
not sure how to handle that one
May just be a blissey situation
worthy minnow
Let's gooo Clarion time
patent folio
Hahaaaa yep
I'm nervous
Prolly gonna research how Bella did it last run to confirm strat, but this is spooky for sure
Gonna post box before I go to sleep, hopfully divine inspiration strikes
Only unpictured mon is Unown
Any ideas folks have for Xerneus or Yez4, feel free to share!
worthy lark
Isn't cata yez 4
worthy lark
Jealous
surreal bolt
For xern, bring something to clear the geomancy boost
surreal bolt
at bunys request
#-------------------------------
[XERNEAS]
Ability = FAIRYAURA,HERBALIST
Moves1 = GEOMANCY,DAZZLINGGLEAM,SCYTHEKICK,PRIMEVALSPIKES
Moves2 = GEOMANCY,EARTHQUAKE,THUNDERBOLT,PRIMEVALRAINSTORM,PRIMEVALCHILL
Moves3 = GEOMANCY,SURF,ICEHAMMER
HPMult = 10.0
Item = POWERHERB,BLACKHERB
Form = 1
#-------------------------------
grave steppe
I don't know if I've actually seen it put up geomancy across two playthroughs
Which is weird
But does suggest you may not need a plan for it?
Though I wouldn't count on it, but it at least suggests you should think more about lowering stats or grey misting rather than outright stealing
Possible it's because I cleared the power herb
Toxapex is good on phases I and III. Florges is good on I and II. Serp might work if you use Autumn Blast to boost its defenses. Eldegoss would also do something. Donster definitely gets a phase I slot because it has knock off that is a status; probably can come out for phase III too (maybe if you use it to set up venom drenches?) Primarina is also solid into Phase III.
Do you have a source of Embrittle? Because that's a crucial part of nerfing avatars' damage I've found
patent folio
Do you have a source of Embrittle? Because that's a crucial part of nerfing avat...
Probably but not certain
Can almost certainly cash a fossil for it.
worthy minnow
It's cause you knocked the power herb
The pattern is always scythe kick followed by geomancy, unless you knock it in which case no geomancy
patent folio
The pattern is always scythe kick followed by geomancy, unless you knock it in w...
Noted.
patent folio
Ok...
- Shuckle can perma stall Artemesia, set up webs and drain her down. Good sack if one ends up being needed for momentum
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Dromerupt is the perfect answer for Anri
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Amalthea struggles with Ghost types, so a ghost who resists flying would be ideal. @surreal bolt calced Rotom-Wash as a 5hko with a massive threat into the rest of her team, cheers love
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Asha is definetely scary, but Gorebyss could stall it out, and also threathen strong water moves on Regirock and Auden. Problem here is I'd also like Huntail for mist
grave steppe
so you need something for what, Chandelure and maybe Regirock (depending on how the Rotom lines go?) this is the most obvious brain-dead thing but plugging them into the calc blissey and stoutland do solve them
patent folio
Yeah that could do it in theory, assuming Stoutland gets Stamp Down
I also need to calculate that the gorebyss plan works
grave steppe
you'd probably just charm it into oblivion (-4 beats +2) and then swap to rotom I think
patent folio
Also Stoutland may take a lot from Body Oress
grave steppe
body press is like a 37% into nothing, 28% with numb
so you'd beat that with leftovers + slack off
(and stoutland outspeeds even before webs so you only have to eat the 37% hit once)
patent folio
Nice.
Alright that's pretty solid.
Issue, charm does not lower its damage output in terms of body press
Maybe Tickle?
Could also just numb and stall ig
If WashRotom will be the answer that may be fine, but tickle is probably safer
Wait but then Bulk Up goes neutral
Also Tickle Stoutland isn't real
Could put up a reflect beforehand
Actually... probably overthinking this
Numb slack charm slack charm slack charm switch is fine. If
Problem is if Regirock switches out, but that should be fine even on a non-heal turn
patent folio
Ok gorebyss does not work
this thing does mongo nuclear levels of damage
I have a rough plan but its... fragile and I'd want something more consistent
Rough plan is send in Musharna, spread drowsy, click protect and hope Asha goes for the kill instead of switching
But
I could trade for Gastrodon
bulk investment means it takes 67% from rend, and can click Counter to kill it
Problem
none of my pokemon currently learn counter
I have a 75% to roll Throh, who learns it at level 30
Wiffed
Not at all a bad pokemon, but probably means I need a different strat or a figment
Sidenote but what the fuck is Built Different
shy stump
It's a real flex
patent folio
Yeah, if I did want to go for Atlacross here (and I'm not convinced I do), it'd be very bad odds
rugged kelp
use sawk
patent folio
so if I wanna try the counter strat it'd need to be figmented
rugged kelp
👍
patent folio
ok
so the way we deal with Asha, assuming stoutland doesn't have the hp to handle it herself
Is gonna be level 47 counter gastrodon
ok think I have a better strat, but its risky, as well
Kee berry Musharna can come in, take a hit, and tank it out, 2 shotting with moon blast, one shotting after life orb chip
WAIT
NO FUCKIN WAY
So Linoone
Send it in with a Focus Sash
Gets hit down to Sash, consuming the Sash
wait
aqua jet
Damn
I could in theory do this with a sac, probably Shuckle since this is his one major fight
But I'm reticent to do that that
But willing, its currently my best strategy
grave steppe
I could trade for Gastrodon
wait Gastrodon is an available trade??
grave steppe
oh
patent folio
pretty sure that's a shellos
grave steppe
that's frillish
grave steppe
yeah
patent folio
thoughts on the above?
grave steppe
anyway this is why I kept going with whimsicott
grave steppe
I literally could not find anything besides Ferrothorn that consistently answered it that wasn't a grass/fairy
I don't think it's much of copying other solutions when legitimately the space you have is that small
theoretically if you can get Gyarados in on an aqua jet you can swap to Dracovish and gank it I think, but that requires a very specific setup
harbor breaker might also work
but then you again have to worry about Yez switching
grave steppe
#-------------------------------
[CLERK_M2,Alejandro]
Pokemon = CLOYSTER,38
Moves = SPIKECANNON,FURYPECKS,ICICLESPEAR,CLAMP
AbilityIndex = 0 # Tough
Item = LOADEDDICE
Pokemon = ZEBSTRIKA,39
Moves = INERTIASHOCK,DROPKICK,FLAMECHARGE,NUMB
AbilityIndex = 0 # Sap Sipper
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[CLERK_M2,Marton]
Pokemon = KLEFKI,38
Moves = JAVELIN,ENCHANTINGSONG,BREAKINGSWIPE,SWEETKISS
AbilityIndex = 1 # Kleptomaniac
Item = CADOBERRY
Pokemon = CENTISKORCH,39
Moves = AGONIZE,COIL,BURNINGJEALOUSY,THUNDERFANG
AbilityIndex = 0 # Firefighter
#-------------------------------
[CLERK_M2,Zoltan]
Pokemon = TROPIUS,38
Moves = COLDFRONT,PROTECT,GIGADRAIN,TAILWIND
AbilityIndex = 1 # Berry Bunch
Item = YACHEBERRY,OCCABERRY
Pokemon = SWALOT,39
Moves = STELLARATE,CLEARSMOG,ENCORE,YAWN
AbilityIndex = 0 # Thick Fat
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this is right to left
patent folio
heard, cheers
yeah this is doable
Protect Pachi in the center, use Jolteon to rushdown Alejandro, and Dromerupt cleans up Tropius and Swalot
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yeah it's not really hard
the difficulty is mostly that you don't know what it is going in and it's a triple honestly lol
patent folio
Triples scary
Rotom get
Just need a bit of candy to get Shuckle up, then
I think its time
worthy lark
🍀
patent folio
oh wait
spiritomb first
alright
Do need to spend a Figment here I think
Block seems too important for Blissey
grave steppe
do you need to trap chandelure in? you could just use a swap turn to softboiled off damage
when I ran the calc it looked like Blissey shouldn't be threatened if it has to swap in again
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I guess I don't need to, but it feels... dangerous not to
flamethrower does 26% with burn chance
But also
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you probably have room on figments; I'm just not sure it does much for you
covert cloak that shit
patent folio
yeah no its probably fine
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(or heal bell i guess)
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Got Mimikyu on account of forgetting to adjust sound machine while sneaking by greedent
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When I was doing attempt 1 I was literally putting the noise machine to harsh again just in case every ten minutes or so
so like, mood, lol
patent folio
Mimikyu ain't too bad at least. Would have wanted it or Spiritomb
Got the scarf
Made it to Spiritomb
dammit
Well, that doesn't hurt the Yez plan but it does suck
grave steppe
Having a ghost/dark in the box is nice but mimikyu is pretty good yeah
plus fairy and ghost are potential trade targets
patent folio
Forgot about Blackout in my planning and lost Jolteon cause of it
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damn
yeah that sucks
at least there are other things that can do its job probably, but yeah, oof
patent folio
Still
First death since Raf
I'm happy with that span
Spiritomb down otherwise uneventfully
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Yeah still good all in all
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Am at 7
Was pretty worried at the time of raf, but I've been getting through the midgame pretty well
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Yeah
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Now lets see if I can break my wall
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I do think this section feels a little easier comparatively tbf
maybe anyway
You have a more complete toolkit? and gyms 5 and 6 don't resist plans the way that gym 4 does
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after Yez 4 is when I feel like the game starts really throwing curve balls, that and raf himself
Yeah
Raf kinda feels like just how good was your box and was it good enough to get you stones
. . . honestly if I do any more limit testing it should probably be that; what's a good path to get fixed encounters teams through the dogs and gauntlets
with that info it becomes easier to adapt for more general boxes I think
patent folio
now what do I give Drome and Rotom
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ignite on hibiscus
patent folio
right thanks
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yez will usually swap magnezone out so you get to burn what comes in
at least if gyarados is still in the back
rotom uhhh does rotom still learn scald? you might consider that if yuou don't want to run wide lens
grave steppe
yeah def
I think you could tehn run thunder instead of thunder cage if you wanted? though it probably doesn't matter
patent folio
gonna grab volt switch over hex as well
grave steppe
yeah that makes sense
patent folio
don't have thunder
patent folio
Magne at 48
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probably not worth it tbh
patent folio
I still had the death candy from Jolteon
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it's not like you're trying to hit anything supereffecively in particular
ah well that might change things then
patent folio
But I'm not convinced that is better than the chip on a switch in tbh
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it's still a 30% though to numb not guaranteed, and zap cannon won't always hit under wide lens
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only question is if you have bubble barrage for blissey or something other than launder on stoutland
bubble barrage is a TM I tink
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yeah i'm not surprised
patent folio
may downgrade it to lather tbh
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when i was running calcs it looked like a charm into swap thing only
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do you want to swap to breakthrough to hit chandelure on switch? or yeah wish passing might just be better]
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but I think it's good yeah
patent folio
me too buddy
normal bison
fuck it we ball
patent folio
ok
Artemesia is down
Anri came in
Is this a Blissey or a Dromerupt
I can't check what its shooting I'm sadly out of protect pp
If its steel beam I'm not dead but I'm unhappy to take that on the switch
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what hp is shuckle at
patent folio
35
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yeah
patent folio
Excellent
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i guess I could be wrong but Idon't think I've ever seen it do otherwise
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it also typically clicks zap cannon on whimsicott when it comes in again
patent folio
Can I spend my substitute for some healing, or does it numb through that?
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nice
yeah once you actually land the burn on gyarados that little sequence falls apart
patent folio
Yezera has Regirock, Auden, and Anri left to switch in on a Hydro Pump
There is an obvious switch in here
And that is not switching
Get burned idiot
normal bison
oh we're catacombs yez rn
patent folio
Anri switched in, died to 2 hydros
Regirock comes in
Got that dog in me
Its at -8
Calamites come out
REGIROCK IS DEAD
2 LEFT
AUDEN DOWN
ONE LEFT
WE WIN THESEEEEE
This is also completely guarenteed encounters 
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very nice, congrats
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This is also completely guarenteed encounters <:canaria_sparkles:907142953531768...
yeah the thing abotu the fixed encounters in this game is (a) they're very good (b) they happen to include a real gyarados counter
that helps a ton
patent folio
not doing him now, but here's edgelord
tardy drumBOT
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Emmi ↩️
patent folio
yeah the thing abotu the fixed encounters in this game is (a) they're very good ...
yeah makes sense XP
Alright bedtime
may take a breather after this dub, may try and clap Sangs cheeks tommorow
will have to see
rugged kelp
The twink can finally be obliterated
surreal bolt
Nice going em!
patent folio
Hm, time to start thinking on 🅱️ang
worthy minnow
use parting shot on his exploud
grave steppe
this unfortunately doesn't work very well (I tried it)
there apparently was once an interaction where two exploud could scream at each other until one of them fainted but it appears to have been resolved
worthy minnow
i think only regice can do that now
and since there is only one of him it will not come up
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that also unfortunately doesn't work as well now that the Hi-Viz Jacket has been nerfed lol
(you used to be able to use Cinccino to make regice murder itself with fireworks off a jacket)
well, it still works; it just doesn't leave cinccy in good enough condition to beat people anymore
patent folio
Good ol cincinatti
So probably parting shot Ibis and swing into whatever comes in to cover Egret
I think that means I want to lead Obstagoon (or a different parting shotter) and... Maniclaw?
Maniclaw may also just imply a 2nd hard hitter to kill Igrit.
-Jolteon here, this is a reposy of earlier box for my own ease
Could Darm Zen oneshot Seismitoad with an Amp Up maybe?
worthy minnow
seems plausible
patent folio
Sadly can't calc on mobile, but it seems plausible indeed
grave steppe
let me check
unfortunately not seeing a route to just clean sweep him
not sure what amp up is but psychic does it
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My priority is more the after you, but maybe Agility Herb would do it
grave steppe
that could work
would have to be one of those though, or choice scarf
though I suppose seismitoed might just swap
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Do you think Exploud would click Hyper Voice or Shadow Ball into that
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though I suppose seismitoed might just swap
Swap to Krook would be dangerous.
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wiggly takes less than 50% from both psychic and flamethrower
chatot also might calc with fascinate drop; not sure about that
patent folio
Valid
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yeah agility herb Drom and Wide Guard Sludge Toxapex seems good here
patent folio
Rest in peace Tox
Heavily underestimated Chatot
This makes Xerneus, my next target, a LOT scarier
patent folio
Easy peasy :D
Saving Priz East for a bit in case I want Reli, same for Split peaks and Boun
grave steppe
the split peaks are probably better than boun imo unless you're hurting for grass types
tsareena is good but skarmory/excadrill/pinsir are all pretty good things that are less easy to get
in terms of their role
patent folio
I'm not, and I would like a Skarm or Exa..
What is your thoughts on River?
Stretch*
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I rolled for heracross, which you'd have a better chance for because you can arrange trades for dupes + herding +clarion
patent folio
I really like Zang, but Atlacross and Dhelmise seem super solid.
grave steppe
atlacross is very very good (and helps with Sang; it plus marshadow can probably sweep)
patent folio
I rolled for heracross, which you'd have a better chance for because you can arr...
what trades?
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sec
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dewpider maybe but the bigger one is sewaddle
it's any ice type and you get two from teh ice cave encounters
patent folio
nodnods
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and it's on a different floor from seel so shouldn't compete
patent folio
I got Swinub, which is funky.
grave steppe
not ice cave sorry
patent folio
Kinda wanna keep them if I can cause bulky
grave steppe
the uh regice dungeon
patent folio
ohhhh
ye
Can also roll Luxtec nowD
Don't' think there's any trades for those
aim is Porygon or Joltik
patent folio
None of them are incredible at this point
But a faster stronger webber would have been nicie
Mime Jr. would be an ice trade
patent folio
Or a Reflect yeah
grave steppe
not sure how useful an automatic reflect is though . . .
you can usually just set that
I remember trying that on yez 5 on a previous patch and it was kinda ehh
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I really rate Quarentine on MAV
patent folio
yeah, Disabling is super strong
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I see quarantine and remember old quarantine and therefore new quarantine is ass
patent folio
What'd old Quarentine do?
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disabled any previously used move
patent folio
ah jesus
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just send out porygon-mav after a coverage move comes out and disable the thing it would have used to hit you
on a thing that's already annoyingly bulky
or uh it might have actually been the move it used to attack you? so just fuck you to their best move tohit you
patent folio
Well either way. Novel typing,
Ohhh Mr. Rime has new Silver Storm
but, my only current hail abuser is a setter in and of itself
so, Beepo
oh geez
they lookin spooky
I think of these 3, Hat is the least interesting
I may go for Carbink for Future Diancie.
But Jynx for Dewpider would be nice
yeah. Carbink
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you get a second encounter area with the same mons for some reason so you can roll again on an ice type
also remember (if you haven't done it already) that you can still use stoutland to help you roll encounters you haven't seen yet if you have dupes
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also remember (if you haven't done it already) that you can still use stoutland ...
hasn't been relevent yet, but ye
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just figured it might be a useful reminder (well and im a little fomo about missing it myself due to, uh, not realizing that Like Wildfire was special)
patent folio
is that the only fight before the dungeon proper?
grave steppe
the grass encounters are at the end if that's what you're wondering about
so you got to get through several trainers plus the avatar of hypno anyway
patent folio
yucky
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so yeah probably worth waiting
patent folio
that's a lot.
I have dupe on Mismagius in Steamy
Goal is anything other than just Golduck
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I definitely waited on my lategame chroma clarion encounters until victorie (and then got burned for it lmao)
though that was mostly because I was scared of the triples
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Goal is anything other than just Golduck
from something posted on one of the other channels I think the game can't actually produce three of the same pokemon for the triple
which is something
patent folio
yeah
so the only lines I get golduck here is
Golduck Mismag Golduck
or
Mismag Golduck Mismag
grave steppe
yeah
not sure what the math is because I don't know how herding works but I suspect that's like a <10% failure rate
patent folio
Hymnus or Toed
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I would probably prefer hymnus here, but I suppose it depends on how much rain stuff you have
rain could be solid on samorn actually
patent folio
I have a ton of rain already
And those are BIG ward presses
Importantly I have 2 setters still.
grave steppe
ah true
patent folio
So yeah, Hymnus
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yeah if you have two setters then that changes things
I was thinking more politoed gives you a setter to use rain stuff with, but if you have some that isn't a concern
patent folio
yeah. I have Dewgong and Castsform still
Hymnus get
Highland Lake...
Almost certainly normal grass
mmm.... monke
absolutely Foongus I think
instruct would be really nice, but a bulky poison type to replace Toxapex
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yamask but I think you got it by accident
excadrill yeah
unless you go for pinsir
patent folio
yamask but I think you got it by accident
how do you mean?
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you ran into the yamask encounter zone when sneaking around greedent right
patent folio
scarapace hits HARD
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scarapace is very dangerous
also notably solos masked villain skylar if you rolled him
though not the first masked villain incarnation due to the curse i guess
so only teal
patent folio
interesting
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. . . and i guess only teal one so not that amazing
but it was very cool when i did it
patent folio
its the mob.
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I would probably take Drilbur for the dupe since you can dupe towards a titanix on crumbling canyon, but that's also prioritizing my particular optimized path which may not be what you'd go for lol
(skarmory and titanix share the "steel brick wall" role basically)
grave steppe
yeah
skarmory theoretically enables hazard stacks, but I haven't used them enough to know if they work super well except on specific fights
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well then
uhh kill?
only 2/3 obviously but uh
yeah
this is why I said I was a little scared of triples XD
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nice
it's honestly a neat balance thing I think; means that using chroma clarion isn't just a free shot at a better encounter roll, at least with the lategame areas
patent folio
mew?
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you're probably not going to do this now but I'm going to reiterate several times
if you try to go after lunatone or solrock for titanix dupes in boiling cave/abyssal cavern, they can explode at level 56 or up
patent folio
uh oh XP
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I think you can plan around it with Bar etc, but like, something you need to know about ahead of time
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yep
patent folio
Tiara is in peaks right?
grave steppe
yeah
you have to fight through most of the avatars etc for it, so you might want to wait a bit idk
patent folio
alright.
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well there's the axew if you wanna do eclipse
it miiight also be the best pick otherwise (stressful is kinda a fuck)
but m. tangela is pretty good I think
not sure about arbok post-raf
patent folio
Was thinking Axe for both abilitiez yeah
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I was like yes axew but I ltearlly planned my run around axew lol
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this also frees up the river crossing to not be axew if you didn't get it already, though there are several options there
floatzel is good, luvdisc is a ofc dupe, eldegoss is eldegoss
patent folio
Already rolled it for Eldegoss
surreal bolt
Aaand thats why i stink bombed my way to sweetrock
worthy lark
lmao
rugged kelp
Oh I wonder who it could be.
Skyler and his twin Biler
patent folio
Oh no not Biler
surreal bolt
Skyler and his twin Byleth
patent folio
worthy lark
well, skyler is obsessed with avatars...
patent folio
What is the curse on this fight again?
surreal bolt
Isnt it basically that every mon has innards out
worthy lark
Policies = CURSE_VENGEANT yea sounds like
surreal bolt
How exactly did it work again
patent folio
at least Shedinja is easy enough
patent folio
Crimson is dead
surreal bolt
Losses happen
patent folio
So is Rotom, due to me not understanding exactly how the curse works
surreal bolt
Thats part of the fun
patent folio
traded Ralts for Blasfemmie
Rolling sweetroc
Apple
Catacombs gave me Aegislash
Trading Trevor for Durant
Rolling Thicket
Thicket crashed my game lmfao
Xompurer*
patent folio
we back
got 2 ferro and an ariados
prepared for the disaster situation, so no deaths, but also both the ferrothorns exploded into chunks, so no ferrothorns
Sadge
worthy minnow
patent folio
fuckin
Fun fact btw
I had to jailbreak my computer, that's why I dissapeared for 2 hours
thanks roommate (genuine)
grave steppe
oof
patent folio
fuckin crash reset my pin for some reason, then Microsoft wouldn't let me change it,
so we broke the lock
grave steppe
very true