Lily's curselocke attempts and musings | Pokémon Tectonic | Page 2

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 4:23 PM

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yall wanna see something wack

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 4:25 PM

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Ye

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 4:25 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/DReBPmH.png

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maro-wack

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 4:25 PM

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Amazing

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 4:27 PM

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alr, contiuning after food

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 4:30 PM

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damn you never see regular ass marowak

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 4:31 PM

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I named it that for a very good reason

civic token Jul 2, 2025, 4:31 PM

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I remembered in this playthrough ww_nichinichi
~~though it's probably cheating because I was reminded by working on save conversion~~

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 4:32 PM

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Which quest is don’t forget

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 4:32 PM

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lmao

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the first npc you see in novo

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 4:33 PM

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Ah

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Oh shit I forgot to even talk to them

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 4:59 PM

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simple wagon damn you never see regular ass marowak

i need a ground type! currently my only grounds are cubone and ursaring lol

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 5:07 PM

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theoretically the deerling you get right before Prizca can give you a Ground-type in uhhh fall I think?

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 5:08 PM

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All you have to do is use season's end in a wild battle twice then delete the move and it's permanently normal/ground

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 5:11 PM

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formalizer im pretty sure

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 5:11 PM

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well yeah that too

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 5:25 PM

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Oh yeah tru

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I mean i wanted a ground type for thr skuntank so that dont help too much but ye tru

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 7:40 PM

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something i realised for that rain team from earlier- i can redeem a fossil

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omastar or armaldo would go pretty hard for zoebence

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 7:41 PM

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two in fact, if you consider dracozolt/vish

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 7:41 PM

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oh right

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mr fish

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u mean arcto/dracovish?

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oh wait dracozolt as an electric

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 7:42 PM

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it's actually three I forgot about Arctovish lol

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 7:42 PM

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wait they all ignore the rain downside. neat.

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theyre all either electric or water type

hardy girder Jul 2, 2025, 8:00 PM

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Neato burrito.

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Just depends on which you are more scared of, zoe or bence

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:19 PM

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skuntank trainer defeateded

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deerling acquired

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this chick

hardy girder Jul 2, 2025, 8:21 PM

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This lady

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 8:22 PM

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this madam

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:22 PM

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cincinno - hi hiz florges lol
bronzong - luxray should clear easy

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hi viz*

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:22 PM

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i even think if you make watchog paranoid it has even more special bulk

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(guesstimating didn't calculate)

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:23 PM

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yeah but florges baits out wind tunnel which hits 5x

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watchog will just get hit with vicious cleaning

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:23 PM

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tru

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:23 PM

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also id have to spend so much candy on watchog

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:23 PM

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very fair

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:23 PM

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for dragalge, passho marowak

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oh wait no

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for dragalge

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shedinja

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:24 PM

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ah yes that would do it

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wait

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no

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:24 PM

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can wonder guard be dizzy'd away?

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:24 PM

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deterrent

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oh it doesn't have it

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:24 PM

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i was about to say-

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:24 PM

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i've seen several other detterent dragon tail dragalges and I just assumed this one was the same

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have to make sure crustle doesn't come in and stealth rock first though

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:25 PM

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timbs

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:25 PM

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or maybe you just carry something with hazard removal

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oh right

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:26 PM

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and for crustle we take klawsar

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also we got klawsaw now, hype

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wheres grip claw

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 8:27 PM

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carnation stockpile

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so the triple

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(but also probably in prizca east)

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binding band also exists in tectonic but it looks like that's hidden in sweetrock

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:28 PM

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HES SO BIG

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and we made it to prizca!

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this or imogenes corsola

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Rn i think that compared to corsola, vulpix or koffing would be better but aipom or pidove worse

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 8:40 PM

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pidove and m.vulpix can be duped out with specific trades

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if that helps

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oh dont forget your cement plant gift

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:45 PM

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gonna save that one til i need one of them (probably shuckle)

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alright

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this dilemma

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https://i.imgur.com/as5AcxJ.png

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simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 8:53 PM

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checking what can be duped out

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:53 PM

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gorosla, maraenie, frillish right?

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basculin

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 8:54 PM

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corsola, g.corsola, mareanie

magikarp/feebas (before the tournament), basculin, frillish

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:54 PM

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oh yeahhh

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i dont think this influences my choice too much

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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basculin eats a choice encounter, g.corsola eats a wild patch

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frillish is traded for any grass type, mareanie is traded for any fighting type

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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puddle highrolls:
kingdra, crawdaunt?
puddle lowrolls:
grapploct, gorsola

deep highroll:
gyarados, wailord, milotic
deep lowroll:
wishiwashi, maybe qwilfish

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lumineon also seems incredibly boring

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this is deep water im sorry

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Lumineon solos Prizca Zain

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1head

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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that is an optional fight

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withdrawing consent solos that fight

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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Yeah that's just the only thing I know about lumineon

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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ngl im not counting this as an encounter
i tabbed out to chat and a wingull ran into me

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choices

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quiller instinct, huh

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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I have absolutely nothing to say on this matter I have no idea what they do

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My analysis is mostly pre surf

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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the stats say skewda but the spikes say qwilfish

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:03 PM

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If you like spikes go for the fish

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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im gonna mull it over a lil and ask for an @hardy girder input

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both of these are pretty cool

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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I don't see barraskewda giving you anything super unique unless you really like fast water types

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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qwilfish doesnt have much in the form of stats though

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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Actually wtf that is an insanely fast fish

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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yeah 140 is crazy

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:05 PM

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With a 125 BP stab move too

hardy girder Jul 2, 2025, 9:05 PM

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That fish is nuts

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My playstyle defo prefers fugu

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:05 PM

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quiller instinct is a stupid name btw

hardy girder Jul 2, 2025, 9:05 PM

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But Barraskewda is nukelier

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:05 PM

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sonic karma quiller instinct is a stupid name btw

no its peak

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:06 PM

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its both

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skewd is so frail though

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he goes crazy but how are we getting him into play

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:14 PM

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simple wagon Lumineon solos Prizca Zain

wait does it?

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Didn't you do that one lol

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:19 PM

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kricketune solo'd zain, lumineon solo'd catacombs yez

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Oh I got em mixed up lol

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:19 PM

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which kricketune can't do anymore cause signal overload got yeeted

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:19 PM

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nooooo

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:19 PM

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thats even better

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:20 PM

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I tested lumineon after I gave artemisia superstition and it can't repeat the solo anymore either

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:20 PM

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dang

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:20 PM

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And it was just because lumineon is a water type with quiver dance iirc

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:21 PM

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i think imma do qwil

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:21 PM

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apolocheese everyone

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:21 PM

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just cuz he funni

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:27 PM

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Excited to see it in action

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:28 PM

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i like going through tectonic dev and being like

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"hey i know these people!"

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:30 PM

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awesome dev building
evil intimidating basement

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:30 PM

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one day i shall be in this building o7

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:30 PM

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sonic karma "hey i know these people!"

Real

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:31 PM

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sonic karma one day i shall be in this building o7

The best part is then you get to fight yourself

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:31 PM

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it is funny being in a call with someone playing this game or odyssey for the first time and pointing me out in the credits xd

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Riptide jumpscare

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:31 PM

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fr

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:32 PM

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oh you worked on odyssey too? thats awesome

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:33 PM

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I was a playtester and currently a mod there ~~also tried bring over tectonic changes as much as I could~~

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:33 PM

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lmao

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:33 PM

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sadly binary hacks dont have the flexibility to go too far, but speed boost donphan made it in and a few others

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anyways ye

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:35 PM

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sonic karma one day i shall be in this building o7

Wait couldn’t you be already

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You’re a contributor?

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:35 PM

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one day.....

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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well technically even if added now in the dev version, 3.4 is gonna be a while lol

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Fair

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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one day......

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Two days….

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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3 days....

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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0 day...

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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do i trade glameow for g-meowth

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:36 PM

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i guess what does purugly do

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:37 PM

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uhh

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not much

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no signature moves

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its just kinda mid

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:38 PM

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and meowth has strong plunders and a really good spread

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:38 PM

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@simple wagon oh encounter guru, is there anything else i can trade this cat for

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isnt there a noble trade somewhere

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oh

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oh my god.

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the encounter of all time

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:43 PM

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LMAO

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Holy fuck

civic token Jul 2, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Holy shit lmao

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:44 PM

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you're never punished I guess lmao

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 9:44 PM

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Whoever decided to put those two in the same encounter area is amazing

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:44 PM

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tbf getting at least one of these isnt too unlikely with a duped skitty

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battle plaza is funny now.

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 9:45 PM

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do you lock the dog away forever or grab the dog finally

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:45 PM

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i think its dog

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cuz i have florges

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:49 PM

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erm lemme check my list

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:50 PM

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box update for u curious folks

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:51 PM

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pretty sure this fat cat is only a valid trade for g.meowth lol

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:52 PM

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bye glameow!

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glameow, g-meowth
basically the same anyways if u squint

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 9:54 PM

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g...eow...

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yeah that works

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 9:57 PM

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so at first i was like

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https://i.imgur.com/Q5TuuJL.png

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"oh no i hate this fight"

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but then i realised

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seaking and beheeyem cannot hurt a problematicus

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annihilape gets kinda countered by banette

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yeah easy

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yeah still not a fan of the lapras/crabrawlker/pincurchin

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eiscue doesnt really change that

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@hardy girder tiny

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:04 PM

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I'd probably take the patch that isn't duped tbh

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pincurchin is just,,,,

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lil bro has an ass for a face i cannot lie

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:04 PM

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lmao

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:05 PM

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also his primary function is dying

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:05 PM

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tbh im considering something very funny

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trading a sword of justice for maraenie

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:05 PM

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huh it would really be primeape, terrakion, virizion, or cobalion

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wack

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:06 PM

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machoke

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marowak

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:06 PM

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oh how did i miss machoke lol

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:06 PM

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lets see my ruined tower

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id pog out for weepinbell here tbh

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volc also hype

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carkol i appreciate you but this isnt your time

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:07 PM

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but look how happy he is to be here

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:07 PM

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then i will let him stay there

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:08 PM

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larvesta is pretty pog i cannot lie

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:08 PM

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oh my i got so scared

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i misclicked the pokeball and threw one at carkol

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 10:09 PM

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forced carkol

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:09 PM

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he broke free

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:09 PM

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thank the gods

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:09 PM

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it woulda been so funny though

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oh

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big bird got nerfed

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you give ho-oh serene grace but keep his signature move at 100% chance? kinda weird

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:12 PM

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it still has regenerator

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:12 PM

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hell it gets no moves with random effects past level 36

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:12 PM

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that definitely needs adjusting tho lol

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:12 PM

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wow yeah he gets very little chance moves actually

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flare blitz, blaze kick, inferno impact, play rough

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and like, iron head

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:14 PM

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that isnt too bad at least

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definitely could use more

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:14 PM

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its just that most of those are 10% effects that dont really see that much change from serene grace

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oh, fire blast lost its burn chance?

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:17 PM

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stone edge lost its crit chance

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all brought down to hydro pump's level basically

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:17 PM

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crazy

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why not bring hydro pump up to the other ones and give it a waterlog chance?

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:18 PM

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waterlog didn't exist when that decision was made

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:18 PM

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fair

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:18 PM

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there is definitely an argument for it ~~especially since kabutops got mad nerfed~~, so #💡-pure-design

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:31 PM

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alright what the heck am i doing for frostflow and lake

simple wagon Jul 2, 2025, 10:35 PM

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You can dupe the spheal and there's a chance you can dupe the falinks

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:38 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/qpCtLBZ.png

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why does this only have 1 batch of candy

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 10:38 PM

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I eated it all

civic token Jul 2, 2025, 10:38 PM

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Iirc it is intentional but I can't remember the exact reasoning

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:38 PM

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oh dang

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anyway castform obtain

hardy girder Jul 2, 2025, 10:39 PM

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Tiny!!!

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 10:39 PM

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wild dirge it still has regenerator

and with ho-oh being caretaker regenerator has extra synergy even

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:39 PM

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simple wagon You can dupe the spheal and there's a chance you can dupe the falinks

this is interesting. trading slugma for spheal might be worth it

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 10:40 PM

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walrein is also like
really good
independently

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I mean it's mostly full blubber but full blubber is insane

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:40 PM

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true

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fire immunity also complements shedinja

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:41 PM

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civic token Iirc it is intentional but I can't remember the exact reasoning

probably cause it's accessible earlier than normal

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:43 PM

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anyway yeah it might be worth noting that im currently considering magcargo to really just be worthless

hardy girder Jul 2, 2025, 10:43 PM

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Oof

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:43 PM

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well not worthless

hardy girder Jul 2, 2025, 10:43 PM

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Poor ugotslugma

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:43 PM

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but not really

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like

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worth something

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:43 PM

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what's wrong with it?

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 10:45 PM

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its incredibly slow as expected, with some super crippling type weaknesses
its special bulk especially isnt high enough to compensate for this

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its signature move applies burn to special attackers which is about the biggest anti-synergy availible

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not to mention it evolves at level 38

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flame body isnt exactly consistent and worth playing around, while sluggish doesnt really help your type matchups

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it gets some decent status moves like fracture and flame spikes+sneaky pebbles but thats not enough to make it attractive

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something like red-hot retreat or sluggish would be good as like, sidegrades to an already good pokemon. this is not an already good pokemon

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https://i.imgur.com/y7RXeI4.png

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this is its best use rn

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afrotection

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as for this....

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this is tall grass i think

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just to avoid potential among us jokes

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 10:59 PM

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you'll probably be experimental more with tall grass I think, grass has some consistent performers

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 11:00 PM

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oh passimian is uh

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funny

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that doesnt seem nuzlocke viable

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 11:01 PM

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valrex had some funny stuff with it iirc

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 11:01 PM

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"doubles the damage and recoil of recoil moves"

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 11:01 PM

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well there's also the other ability that's team dependent

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 11:02 PM

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long reciever cant copy wonder guard right cuz immutable

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 11:02 PM

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ye

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 11:02 PM

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dang that woulda been so funny

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man i dont know

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im gonna flip a coin

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grass normal

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loud boy

wild dirge Jul 2, 2025, 11:08 PM

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sang mirror

arctic cosmos Jul 2, 2025, 11:09 PM

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Gnas

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 11:13 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/ArQB0gm.png

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the rare 5 pokemon random trainer

kindred wave Jul 2, 2025, 11:14 PM

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iirc that's just a thing that trainers have this late in the game? earlier they have 3 and 4 if they're out of the way; now they have 4 and 5 if they're out of the way

sonic karma Jul 2, 2025, 11:15 PM

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oh i see

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heres the box

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heres what im thinking for the gym

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definitely evolving to jolteon

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but debating on the final team slot and what to evolve poli into

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Im personally thinking any of mantine, manectric, castform or omastar would be good

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Is manergetic at thus level? I closed the game already

civic token Jul 2, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Evolves at 46

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Pretty rough to not even evolve for the Noel split

sonic karma Jul 3, 2025, 4:54 PM

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Back to thinking about this

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I think the core of dewgong, jolteon and donster is locked in basically

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Poliwrath can be nice for the fighting type but can also suck cuz of the fighting type

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Only thing id really want fighting stab for over water is... the 4x move on bastiodon? Hm

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So my speed control options are omastar, armaldo, poliwrath and mantine

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And just jolteon being really fast

hardy girder Jul 3, 2025, 5:12 PM

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Zoomies

sonic karma Jul 3, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Thanks for the valuable strategic input

hardy girder Jul 3, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Yep no problem babe

sonic karma Jul 5, 2025, 9:56 PM

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tomororw these bitches go down

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:12 PM

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ok so like

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how da heck does the doubles switch ai work

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 1:13 PM

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the two halves have no idea what the other half is doing

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:14 PM

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oh i see

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 1:14 PM

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makes it straightforward to predict but extremely fucked up

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:14 PM

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so the left pokemon only goes based off my left mon?

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interesting indeed...

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 1:14 PM

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No no

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The left and right mons just don't communicate

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:14 PM

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oh wait

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i meant like

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switchin after a ko

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 1:15 PM

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Ohhhh

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Like what order will they send stuff out in

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:15 PM

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yeye

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 1:16 PM

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oh for zence

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:16 PM

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yeye

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 1:17 PM

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I don't think it does anything special, it just sends in the mon with the best calculated matchups

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:17 PM

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i mean yeah but like, how does it calculate the matchups between the 2 mons

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 1:19 PM

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skimming the code, it looks like it checks the matchup against both mons and considers whichever is worse

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So to be chosen to switch in it needs to have the least bad matchups against both of your mons

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:20 PM

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gotcha

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so if i lead donster+castform and ko jumpluff....

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bence will see that agnes, alolem and ptero are weak to castform and go staraptor?

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well those are all weak to steel too actually

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(castform rain)

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 1:22 PM

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I don't feel confident enough to declare that for sure and hinge your nuzlocke on it, but that's my understanding, yeah

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(Noting that it also considers their offensive matchups against you)

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:22 PM

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gotcha

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yeah yeah, but i dont think they have ANY super effective hits on either

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oh wait no, alolem on castform

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but theyll probably still class that as a bad matchup cuz its slower

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 1:23 PM

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If you feel brave enough to look through the code, this is the function I'm basing it on https://github.com/xeuorux/Pokemon-Tectonic/blob/main/Plugins/Tectonic Battle/AI/AI_Switch.rb#L317

GitHub

Pokemon-Tectonic/Plugins/Tectonic Battle/AI/AI_Switch.rb at main ·...

Contribute to xeuorux/Pokemon-Tectonic development by creating an account on GitHub.

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:23 PM

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sure sound funny

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im brave enough but not smart enough

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oh my god theres a specific clause for fear. i love it.

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 1:25 PM

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yeah alessa has specific AI to try and make the fear strat work

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 1:26 PM

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queen behavior

arctic cosmos Jul 6, 2025, 1:33 PM

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Amaizng

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 2:26 PM

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Oh right, obviously it would be cheating to do this in the actual Nuzlocke but another way to study AI behaviour is to just play in debug mode, it logs a lot of its decision making to the terminal

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:37 PM

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arright

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oh right

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that makes this awkward

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dont have a thunderstone for jolteon cuz i used it on luxray

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 3:39 PM

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should be one free, one from raikou, and then if you can push through the plaza as many as you want

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:39 PM

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yeah i guess i can do raikou

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 3:41 PM

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Rye cow

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Is probably easier than a 42-45 trainer

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 3:43 PM

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real

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:43 PM

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running free is just a bunch of immunities right

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 3:44 PM

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yeah

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slowing and trapping mostly

kindred wave Jul 6, 2025, 3:44 PM

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can't be numbed, waterlogged, leeched, trapped (tho I think damage still works?), have speed lowered

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:45 PM

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does the damage still work? i was about to do a trapping based strat into him so important haha

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 3:45 PM

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no except hair curl does work (bug)

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i think i reported that

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:46 PM

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i see

kindred wave Jul 6, 2025, 3:49 PM

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thunder cage seems to work at least

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:49 PM

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oh yeah i forgot about livewire!

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is it just flat damage or is it like, electric-based

kindred wave Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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flat damage

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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wait is it

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i thought it was electrical

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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it does double in rain is the thing with it

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Ohhh

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Funky.

kindred wave Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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from what I remember it's flat . . .

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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I wonder if I can abuse that...

kindred wave Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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could be misremembering

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 3:50 PM

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was probably just the rain doubling and i am misremember

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 3:51 PM

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Is it grounded or aeriel?

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 3:51 PM

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ground hazard

kindred wave Jul 6, 2025, 3:51 PM

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just switch-in like other hazards

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:51 PM

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im gonna test it

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 3:51 PM

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Damn. So wouldn't be useful into ZoeBence.

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 3:54 PM

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i think its type affected

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arbok took 10/117, so 8.5%
alolem took 5/117, so 4.2%
seel took 13/77, so 16.8%
mantyke took 0, so its grounded

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its absolutely type affected

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with a base value of 8.5% id hazard

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this was tested against a wild mon with magic bounce

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 3:57 PM

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Damn, electric hazard that can't hit fliers is interestimg

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:05 PM

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that was scary

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:06 PM

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Good Job

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:07 PM

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i think these are definite 5/6

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alright lets try and map this out

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lead is jumpluff tango

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tangrowth probably hits petrify on castform, jumpluff wants to psychic donster

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donster protects, castform hits invite rainstorm on jumpluff

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donster then outspeeds waterlogged jumpluff and ohkos with miasma (especially after acid rain and waterlog)

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i wonder if castform can kill tango with weather burst

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https://i.imgur.com/BeC42kC.png

Imgur

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rat behavior tbh

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cant get a boosting item cuz i need an item to shake off the numb

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cant leave castform numbed cuz then i just hit with super effective miasma

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....except castform is a beast

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https://i.imgur.com/nIzPCCt.png

Imgur

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sad

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WAIT DOES CASTFORM GET GROUND MOVE

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they do

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...how does that do so little damage

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i guess stab + weather boost is about the same as 2x

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so, castform isnt getting that ohko which is such a shame

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tangrowth is so tanky jesus

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but i found a strat

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eject button on castform, send in jolteon who has earth power

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...i nede to get to prizeast

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dont have any tutors for earth power

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:18 PM

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Damn.

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Its a tm there?

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:18 PM

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tm store

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:18 PM

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Yeee thought so

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I'd go thru virizion tbh.

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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im less worried about the virizion and more about the double battle sun team

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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Espec since you already bombed the water menace blocking her

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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which is like level 48

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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Wait what

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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hardy girder Espec since you already bombed the water menace blocking her

didnt even bomb that, just swept it lol

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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Really?

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Ohhh nice.

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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also you know

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i can shedinja things,.

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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True

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:19 PM

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blastoise and sensibelle are shedinja targets

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hatterene.... scizor?

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and barbie girl cant really do too much to donster

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:21 PM

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Dunno about you but I'm defo considering terrakion or Cobalion to ZoeBence.

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:21 PM

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thats like 3 extra avatar fights rn and i aint doing allat

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:22 PM

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I mean its 2 since you've already done Terra

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:22 PM

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keldeo

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:22 PM

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Oh yeah

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Keldeo is like 10 levels below though

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:23 PM

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anyway

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how do i stop that barbaracle

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arbok+donster tbh

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:23 PM

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Yeah mayb.

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Intimidate or somethin

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:24 PM

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arbok yeah

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alr, easy fight

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2 more fights till were in east

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another 2 shedinja kills

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:27 PM

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Nice

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Watch weather on that drampa

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:27 PM

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spiritomb easy with a fairy type, ive got florges

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nidoqueen....

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ho-oh

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or wait

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no

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air balloon lairon is immune

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Lmao nice.

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 4:32 PM

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easy

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alr 1 left

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...oh

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only bouffalant can hit shedinja

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....oh no

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boulder nest

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time to steer

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not even close

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alr

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food time

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then i guess we have some encounters first? hype

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 4:54 PM

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smoking that battle plaza pack

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sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 5:30 PM

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were so back

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https://i.imgur.com/8rxqtdw.png

Imgur

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oh i never got mincinno

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 5:42 PM

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go get that mouse

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is in crater-shelf gatehouse

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 5:43 PM

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dislikes introductions

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LMAO

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thats better

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imagine if i got smeargle here

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 5:44 PM

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you already killed raikou so rip that particular setup

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 5:44 PM

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simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 5:45 PM

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indeedee has sauce i think

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 5:45 PM

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uses assist on entry lmao

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 5:45 PM

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you could make a fucked up and evil setup to duplicate your best mons for doubles (bug)

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 5:46 PM

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oh?

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 5:47 PM

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if you switch while switching (assist on entry for u-turn) it can temporarily duplicate the mon you currently have out

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 5:48 PM

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oh lmao

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hmm

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not too keen on indeedee actually

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the stats just seem low?

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and assist isnt really reliable

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lmao??????

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thanks ardub23

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 5:56 PM

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classic

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the last resort protect set is killin me

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 5:57 PM

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oh

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i can trade slugma for oricorio

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 6:01 PM

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indeed

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slugma is actually a good encounter because of the flame body trade

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 6:02 PM

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(its also good cause it outs the dupe in volcanic shore)

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can guarentee magmar in shore without losing out on either of the solid mons

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 6:05 PM

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alright

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back to plotting

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heres the idea so far

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turn 1 - donster protects against jumpluff psychic, castform waterlogs jumpluff and sets up rain, gets hit by tangrowth petrify and hits eject button, switching to jolteon
turn 2 - jolteon earth power kills tangrowth, donster miasma kills jumpluff

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so on donster+jolteon....

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im not sure what bence goes to

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but zoe definitely sends in gliscor

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i think bence is going either raptor or alolem

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both of which are a lil awkward for me tbh

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yeah i got no clue how to read the code ahaha

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i think alolem is actually unlikely cuz it already knows jolteon has earth power

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another ai question, if it sees a ko on both opponents with the same move, who does it go for? does it prioritize killing a pokemon its faster than?

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 6:45 PM

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simple wagon the last resort protect set is killin me

I designed this team thank you

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Theres only so much you can diversify with 5 giganteons lmao

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 6:48 PM

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so im gonna be rolling on the assumption that gliscor will go for donster over jolteon

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but i have no clue what bence is gonna go into

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....but what if it doesnt matter

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wait follow me golisopod is kinda hype ngl

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i might have an idea to bully them

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follow me the gliscor into something immune to ground like chatot

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meanwhile jolteon destroys bences team

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Strong strat, remember that follow me has 5 pp

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 6:55 PM

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i only need 5

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oh, kecleon actually

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coming back to this after pathfinder

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would appreciate any input on my ai questions in the meantime

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Late as fuck but I think Running Free lost the Leech immunity when it gained the Waterlog one

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 7:44 PM

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leech didn't make as sense prob when waterlog exists now

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 10:08 PM

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alright back to it

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pathfinder has ended and so will zence

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alright yeah

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expert belt jolteon can ohko every pokemon on both teams

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so we just need to support it

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 10:19 PM

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the goat

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 10:20 PM

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something like this

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 10:20 PM

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follow me looking ass

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 10:21 PM

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sadly no fake out

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huh

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what

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huh

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 10:22 PM

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hm

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 10:23 PM

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this one too

arctic cosmos Jul 6, 2025, 10:24 PM

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sonic karma

My favorite bird

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 10:24 PM

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why does he can do that

arctic cosmos Jul 6, 2025, 10:25 PM

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Roost with protean is really funny

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 10:27 PM

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become flying type
lose flying type

arctic cosmos Jul 6, 2025, 10:29 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/buzzwole-edit-gigachad-chad-gif-2282232026293541270

Tenor

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:17 PM

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HONESTLY

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WE TAKE THAT

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 11:20 PM

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Rip anchovy but one loss against 10 enemies is good

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 11:20 PM

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rip jolteon served it's purpose

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:20 PM

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yeah we take those

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it sucks cuz jolteon was incredible here and i woulda loved to use them more

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but alas

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https://tenor.com/view/tyler-lie-lol-not-telling-the-truth-that-was-a-lie-gif-13885912

Tenor

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:21 PM

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we ain't showing you shit my man

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:22 PM

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oh i get ursaluna now

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lets go?

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:22 PM

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How are y'all ruling Eevee again? You can have multiple Eevees as long as you evolve them into different stuff right?

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:22 PM

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yeah i just think its more fun that way

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:22 PM

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same

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Have you picked up Eevee #2 yet? Could just make it a Vaporeon and it would slot right into the rain gang

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:24 PM

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i have yeah

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affectionately named after "the second one"

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o7

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tbh this is pretty good for gym 5

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:26 PM

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damn this run looking good as hell

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Any thoughts on your galar fossil for this run?

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That mf is free

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:27 PM

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i have not

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so far ive used everything but arctozolt in the past

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:28 PM

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Oh did you get the Heatmor for Strength Sap

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Trade for any Dark-type

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:29 PM

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no but ill prolly trade alolan kiby for that

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stached ass team tbh

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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noel never gonna know what hit his ass

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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not sure if this is the noel team

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i uh

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still dont know the curse LMAO

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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is it the half inverse but only for you curse

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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||can't use a move every 4th turn, starting with the first||

arctic cosmos Jul 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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No

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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oh wHAT

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 11:31 PM

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simple wagon is it the half inverse but only for you curse

No that idea didn't wind up happening

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:32 PM

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civic token ||can't use a move every 4th turn, starting with the first||

diabolical

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 11:32 PM

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It's nasty! I was able to perfect him but obviously I didn't have locke encounter restrictions

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:32 PM

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oh thats so nasty

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extreme effort is so funny

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 11:33 PM

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simple wagon is it the half inverse but only for you curse

we did that for a little but then brewed something new up

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:33 PM

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what are the noel items agains

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:33 PM

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Knight Helmet, Eevee cookie

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Idr the rest

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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Sweet Heart guaranteed
Top route is Float Stone, Knight Helmet
Bottom route is Eviolite, ???

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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The knight helmet is free if you go into the moat and find it

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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why he so flat

simple wagon Jul 6, 2025, 11:35 PM

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idk that's what it looked like when I played PLA

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except smaller obv

arctic cosmos Jul 6, 2025, 11:36 PM

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ye it is

hardy girder Jul 6, 2025, 11:36 PM

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nah yeah he just looks like that

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remember he is supposed to be rideable

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 11:37 PM

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double the size of it 👍

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:41 PM

#

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dont we all

civic token Jul 6, 2025, 11:41 PM

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Lmao

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 11:42 PM

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absolute gamer

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:45 PM

#

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im going to sleep

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and suddently my electric types are looking a lot worse

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though i do get manergetic after noel

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...why is he so late

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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we do need to adjust that

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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oh

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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unfortunately havent gotten to it

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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those stats might be why lol

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575bst on a non-mixed attacker

wild dirge Jul 6, 2025, 11:50 PM

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true

sonic karma Jul 6, 2025, 11:50 PM

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and capacity burst is a crazy move

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esp with ruinous

sonic karma Jul 7, 2025, 9:47 AM

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Seems like ho-oh is still crazy into noel

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This is an actual fight now, kinda awesome

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Ill miss g-darm the fire/ice thats actually mono fighting

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Switch abilities like intimidate and regenerator seem valuable, so do immunities like walrein

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An intimidate dark type goes very hard

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Like luxray. Oh.

civic token Jul 7, 2025, 10:02 AM

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Oof

sonic karma Jul 7, 2025, 10:07 AM

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Overall the fight doesnt seem too bad, but defo harsher than before

sonic karma Jul 7, 2025, 10:27 AM

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sonic karma Like luxray. Oh.

ive still got arbok we good

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 7:30 AM

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time to, quite frankly, fucking kill noel

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arctic cosmos Jul 8, 2025, 7:33 AM

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sonic karma time to, quite frankly, fucking kill noel

thats one hell of a statement

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 7:34 AM

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in between ho-oh and shedinja and im scared at all

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i did just test it and if you burn up into a protect, you keep the fire typing so darm will require the slightest amount of thinking

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but yeah, beautifly, metagross and rapidash cant hit shed. darm can only try to once.

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so i just need an answer to poltea and bruxish

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im not playing this one fair.

arctic cosmos Jul 8, 2025, 7:37 AM

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sonic karma so i just need an answer to poltea and bruxish

got any really fast bug coverage

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 7:37 AM

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first impression is pretty fast

arctic cosmos Jul 8, 2025, 7:38 AM

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my only worry is the ai predicting it and switching out y'know

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 7:39 AM

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ive got a stoutland-based backup

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also ive now got a sash for shedinja which is fun

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the curse is also on turn 1 right

civic token Jul 8, 2025, 7:45 AM

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yep

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 7:45 AM

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gotcha

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so we send in a bait florges lead

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what does he even switch into on ho-oh

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poltea or bruxish probably?

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alright lets destroy this twink

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yeah mans died

arctic cosmos Jul 8, 2025, 7:57 AM

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noel fucking obliterated

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 7:57 AM

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orbital nuclear strike

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alright i make no promises of doing it but imma take a look

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[XERNEAS]
Ability = FAIRYAURA,HERBALIST
Moves1 = GEOMANCY,DAZZLINGGLEAM,SCYTHEKICK,PRIMEVALSPIKES
Moves2 = GEOMANCY,EARTHQUAKE,THUNDERBOLT,PRIMEVALRAINSTORM,PRIMEVALCHILL
Moves3 = GEOMANCY,SURF,ICEHAMMER
HPMult = 10.0
Item = POWERHERB,BLACKHERB
Form = 1

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jesus

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like yeah wow it cant hit shedinja but that doesnt matter into avatars

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hmm

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komala or spinda are both really cool but i dont think i need another normal type

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oh FUCK YEAH

civic token Jul 8, 2025, 8:13 AM

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Spikes you and spikes you and spikes you

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 8:13 AM

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its hazards time

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the word is Spikes

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this one should be interestin

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interesting for sure

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....

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why is sigilyph bulkier than skarmory

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https://i.imgur.com/S890JvQ.png

Imgur

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what is this

arctic cosmos Jul 8, 2025, 8:19 AM

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A̷̒̂n̸̫̏c̸̛͌i̴͍̍ě̶̿ñ̷̕t̶͑ bird vs modern steel

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 8:19 AM

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they dont make birds like they used to anymore

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because of woke.

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tbh i think imma go golurk here

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no actuall

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sigilyph seems crazy

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very excited for ancient sewers encounter

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ohhh

arctic cosmos Jul 8, 2025, 8:27 AM

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Spiritomb vs spiritomb

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:14 AM

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im gonna have to do something unpleasant for exp arent i

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:30 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/wZb3cPM.png

Imgur

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we do what we must

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because we can

civic token Jul 8, 2025, 9:46 AM

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kick her ass for me

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my team just had absolutely no answer to amalthea

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:46 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/phUb5N9.png

Imgur

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haha bold to assume i have any amount of plan

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this is the box rn

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i think i do still take the previous opening

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where shuckle solos artemisia while setting up rocks and webs

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oh hold on

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asha and anri cant hit a shedinja

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alright, this beats 4 of her pokemon

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just need something for auden and reigrock

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av ho-oh takes at most 28% from auden

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but i SOMEHOW dont have a mon to tutor earthquake

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i actually need boots instead

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and i think annihilape should be able to deal with regirock?

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immune to body press, resists rock

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stamp down to prevent bulk up stacking

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i wonder if the ai would see that all i have is undermine and therefore assume its not under threat?

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and then i can hit it with power herb

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prolly not but its a fun idea

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im pretty sure this team should win

kindred wave Jul 8, 2025, 10:22 AM

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worth noting, though it looks irrelevant based on your current plan: if you get Overheat off the free Rotom from Aegis Insurance, life orb ruinous Manergetic lead just takes out Artemesia + Anri with Capacity Burst + Overheat with no fuss
which obviously has the potential to invalidate a lot of the difficulty since it's just a 5v4

kindred wave Jul 8, 2025, 10:23 AM

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sonic karma im pretty sure this team should win

change the ability on ursaluna
that being said, ursaluna has the potential to take out regirock and magnezone too depending on the team

civic token Jul 8, 2025, 10:23 AM

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oh right rotom is on a no-conflict map only if you take beatrice's deal lol

kindred wave Jul 8, 2025, 10:23 AM

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civic token oh right rotom is on a no-conflict map only if you take beatrice's deal lol

literally the only reason I would do it lol

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:24 AM

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shuckle solos artemisia while getting up rocks and webs
shedinja cant be hurt by magnezone and gyarados
mantine with a ghost crystal veil is immune to lopunny's normal, fighting and flying moves
annihilape should solo regirock i hope.
ho-oh can is 3hkod by auden and 2hkos back after rocks
ursaluna is a backup for chandelure (it outspeeds cuz webs) and regirock

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...i realise that regirock doesnt actually ahve the sneaky pebbles!

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so boots isnt needed

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oh uh

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i dont have an assault vest

kindred wave Jul 8, 2025, 10:26 AM

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ah, and I see you don't care about screens because nothing on your team is doing special damage that isn't immune to everything

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:27 AM

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oh

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thats nice

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got it

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its funny that ho-oh has the exact stat spread where 20hp and 10spdef is the same ehp as 10hp and 20spdef

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final team

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edge cases:
chandelure cant burn ursaluna cuz of covert cloak
if a shedinja thing goes wrong, focus sash
no hazards to mess up shedinja either
not worried about magne light screen, only special attacker is here to stick around in mantine
ursaluna is a backup in case things go wrong with chandelure or regirock
if i need a sacrifice, its probably mantine

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lets do this.

civic token Jul 8, 2025, 10:36 AM

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fuelTFup

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:36 AM

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actually

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one last thing

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i made one last check of everything just to be sure

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artemisia will jinx shuckle and ruin everything

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now it wont

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....shit

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rend ignores abilities

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...

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i forgot to set crystal veil

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IM SO FUCKING STUPID

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gonna see if i wouldve won if i didnt forget about cv

civic token Jul 8, 2025, 10:50 AM

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oh noooooo tone_sympathetic

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:57 AM

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it wouldve been perfect.

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im genuinely so upset right now

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and debating just saying fuck it and continuing

civic token Jul 8, 2025, 10:59 AM

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That would be super understandable, even if it doesn't wind up counting for the bounty. At the very least, you get to practice the endgame

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:59 AM

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i probably wont once im cooled down again but like

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come on man this is upsetting

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i think the main reason it wouldnt count is that i didnt record it

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ill discuss with emmi whos about to wake up soon

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im gonna take a shower and then go back to casaba i suppose

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 11:33 AM

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GIVE IT UP FOR ATTEMPT 13

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nickname theme...

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 11:37 AM

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pokemon characters that aren't pokemon

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 11:48 AM

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new nickname theme is

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weapons

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 12:15 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/MI04fzV.png

Imgur

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very weird initial batch here.

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 3:16 PM

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onix access is very interesting

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interested to see grapploct too

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 3:47 PM

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Very funky yeah

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 3:47 PM

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note that you can trade the Pidgey for Comic if you want

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 4:08 PM

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Is comic the name of the pidove?

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 4:15 PM

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yep

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sorry for the ambiguity

wild dirge Jul 8, 2025, 4:19 PM

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OOF

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yez 4 claims another victim

arctic cosmos Jul 8, 2025, 4:21 PM

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Yez 4 seems like such a difficulty spike

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 4:22 PM

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there seems to be some sort of curse surrounding yez 4 skeptile

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 4:23 PM

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arctic cosmos Yez 4 seems like such a difficulty spike

It is a tough one, largely because any planning mistake is probably death

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Having a 15 level advantage gives her such a boost that more fragile mons just get onetapped by neutral

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 4:32 PM

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I dont think shes that bad i just made a stupid mistake

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Like i showed, if i did what i intended i wouldve perfected it

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 4:34 PM

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What about the shedinja thing, that would make it not perfect no?

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 4:36 PM

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sonic karma it wouldve been perfect.

It woulda been, i played around it

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 4:38 PM

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Ahhh nice.

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:12 PM

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alrighty

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https://i.imgur.com/XY7jzjH.png

Imgur

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hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Fists.

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Right. Weapons XP

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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THESE HANDS

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Pidgey seems like a take first thing.

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:14 PM

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i think i take ditto for ekans

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:14 PM

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Yeah that seems solid

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How does hp match up there?

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:14 PM

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ekans 45, ditto 48

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:14 PM

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Does Stunky get Ember or anythin at this level?

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:15 PM

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sonic karma ekans 45, ditto 48

Oh damn yeah for sure.

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:15 PM

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thats base hp

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:15 PM

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Plus can click glare on switches

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:15 PM

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sonic karma thats base hp

Yeah I know

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:15 PM

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stunky does not get ember

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:15 PM

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Damn. Is it not fire coverage in this game?

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:16 PM

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it just doesnt get coverage from level

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:16 PM

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Oh

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:16 PM

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it does get fire moveb

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:16 PM

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And you have Krabby

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I see

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 9:16 PM

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the curse of not taking numel

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:16 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/the-pharaohs-curse-rabelious-gif-5991159984049487001

Tenor

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:17 PM

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i guess its this?

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cuz everything do be weak to fighting

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 9:17 PM

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onix is at least a good source of ground coverage for those pesky poisons

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:18 PM

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holy shit

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titanix is shiny stone now

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 9:18 PM

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indeed

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:18 PM

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and steelix is at 22

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titanix into helena incoming

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 9:18 PM

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yeah titanix is nutty now

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if possible it'd be interesting to see a gravity team

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I've used Gravitas before but it was mostly in the context of sand

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:19 PM

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sadly a gravity team is unviable until lategame cuz theres no low accuracy moves before like 45

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 9:20 PM

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i mean there is uh

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long shot

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:20 PM

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oh wait

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:20 PM

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Golem

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:20 PM

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gravity does counter helenas toxtricity's air balloon

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long shot more like

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 9:20 PM

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🧠

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:20 PM

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long shit

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i cant wait until 7 league steps ditto

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:23 PM

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That's.... actually heat what

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Why have I never thought of that

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:42 PM

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welp

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so how do we feel about attempt 14

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sangfroid got a spatk boost off valor bolt

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there was no coming back from that

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Ouch

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 9:42 PM

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sonic karma so how do we feel about attempt 14

ATTEMPT 14 WOOO

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:52 PM

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michi ❤️

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 9:59 PM

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hey just think, every time you wipe you get to not abscond with michi's berries

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 9:59 PM

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the only thing we abscond is a fungus

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:23 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/iLxsgLG.png

Imgur

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OH BOY I HOPE THIS RUN DOESNT DIE TO YEZ 2 OR RAFAEL

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https://i.imgur.com/tYu4mlT.png

Imgur

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this run has so many newcomers im excited

hardy girder Jul 8, 2025, 10:24 PM

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Yassss

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 10:35 PM

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ooh the sound gang

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:41 PM

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wall of sound + echo is gonna be so funny

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https://i.imgur.com/aO0zhXc.png

Imgur

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much better

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 10:53 PM

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this team looks good as hell

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 10:57 PM

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three fucking fairy types

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"holy shit" - lambert, probably

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 10:58 PM

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his ass is grass

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why is it that you choose skill link (multi strike) over assault spines

sonic karma Jul 8, 2025, 11:02 PM

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he was just here to deal with ekans

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normal gem multi strike seemed more useful to that end than an assault spines which wouldnt affect any relevant stats

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also i had no berries left so the normal gem was mostly free

simple wagon Jul 8, 2025, 11:03 PM

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makes sense

sonic karma Jul 9, 2025, 9:23 AM

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alright, yez 1

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objective 1 is to uh. actually get to her

sonic karma Jul 9, 2025, 10:07 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/8S47jw1.png

Imgur

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made it

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alright so

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cottonee deals with bunnelby
joltik cant really hit onix
whismur cannot at all hit sandygast
noibat is countered by sandshrew

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skwovet actually deals with larvesta, funnily enough

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its so tanky and has rock throw

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and kingler metal claw ohkos smoochum

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there we go

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wow

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that was easy

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encounters time

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smoochum

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sandshrew is awesome tbh

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heres the classic debate

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lets do mud

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woopy ❤️

sonic karma Jul 9, 2025, 10:56 AM

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I THOUGHT THIS MONOGAMOUS LMAO

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KINGLER IS A FIRM BELIEVER IN THE NUCLEAR FAMILY

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oh heres a fuckin debate

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gonna debate this one over lunch

sonic karma Jul 9, 2025, 11:25 AM

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my minds telling me magnemite but my heart is telling me beldum tbh

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LETS ROLL THE DICE

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interesting.

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this is what i got for eko

sonic karma Jul 9, 2025, 12:11 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/lbaBjCb.png

Imgur

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tentative eko team

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 10:11 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/imqTY3q.png

Imgur

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planning time

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openin plan: onix sets gravity, sandshrew hits trample to ko salandit and do like 50% to dario

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sadly it seems that onix dies to trample + doublekick by like. 1hp

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ive got strats

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oh my GOD onix

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 10:58 AM

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made it to luxtech

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lets see if i get the pory

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ITS HAPENINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

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YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

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https://tenor.com/view/porygon-porygon-z-pokemon-glitter-gif-13396261689524824969

Tenor

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THAT DAY IS TODAY

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I probably wont lose it too quick, the box has a very good matchup into helena

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So its just a matter of yez2

hardy girder Jul 10, 2025, 11:31 AM

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BEPPOOOOOO

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 11:50 AM

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THIS IS SUCH A RUN

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https://i.imgur.com/TITxFUR.png

Imgur

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hmmm

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current box

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i went bototm patch and got berd

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:02 PM

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peak

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:02 PM

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this box is crazy yeah

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https://i.imgur.com/zSSnolK.png

Imgur

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hummm

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yeah unfortunately persian and thievul are so completely uninteresting that this is always sparse grass i think

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persian feels like you really need to build around it which is hard to do in such a limited setting

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:19 PM

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thievul is pretty good at what it does tbf

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being a big fat ~~fuck~~ fox

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shroomish and sizzlipede are decent I think

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sparse grass has some real contenders tho

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:20 PM

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breloom and milliblaze look sick as fuck

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im affectionately calling sparse grass the weather spot

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cuz theres 3 different setters there

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eclipse from venomoth, moonglow from krow and sun from volc

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i think what i do actually

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nothing here really helps me that much into helena

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:21 PM

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are you on dev? cause if so that larvesta would be an even crazier get

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:22 PM

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im not

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i save this until after stone nest

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i want an evolved dark type for raf

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if i get ekans in stone nest, i have that

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else, i can try for thievul

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:22 PM

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Larvesta is also an encounter in Ruined Tower if that means anything to you

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:23 PM

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oh true

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whats different about larv on dev again?

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:23 PM

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quiver dance at 38

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:23 PM

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oh baller

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but yeah

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saving repora until later

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what would i need to get to stone nest from here....

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1 fight in repora, 2 in shelf

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:24 PM

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couple of mandatory trainer battles

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:24 PM

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thats rough.

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:25 PM

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Gotta do crater fights too

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:25 PM

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think if you enter form the shelf you can avoid them right?

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:25 PM

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if that's true I don't know it

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:25 PM

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oh but if i do just the repora fight i get a velenz encounter and my water token

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can i handle this

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yes

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:26 PM

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Water token is in Chasm HQ

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that'd be way easier

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:26 PM

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yeah but expendiv

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:26 PM

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broke

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:27 PM

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broke 😔

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i dont even have kibty yet

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but like

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nuzleaf gets destroyed by togetic

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maraenie cant do anything to tox

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and ive got combusken and steelix for sinistea

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and vigoroth of pivoting

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should be doable

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lets ball

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simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:31 PM

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rolled and smoked

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:32 PM

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i thought this was supposed to be fixed

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:35 PM

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might be that it's fixed on dev…?

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:35 PM

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ah

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got tea from the tea store

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:36 PM

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bagged and drank

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:36 PM

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shlurp

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velenz has...

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so thats a natu

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what was the natu trade again? elekid?

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:37 PM

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elekid yes

civic token Jul 10, 2025, 12:38 PM

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uh, hm, it was supposed to be fixed in 3.3.2. it was marked off as fixed in #1299196423086280714 and I put it in the changelog

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:39 PM

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whoops.

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:39 PM

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elekid is a pre raf stone evo if that means anything to you

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:39 PM

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neat

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what does vire do again

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:39 PM

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uhhhhrm lemme look

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:40 PM

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crit on numbed or adrenaline rush

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95 speed is decent, 123 attack is good

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lightning dance on evo for a physical attacker is a lil weird

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well i definitely catch natu at least

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:41 PM

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man the item evo moves are super weird

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I really need to make a pass on those

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:42 PM

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seems like a cool flowstate + drain punch mon tho

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hit flowstate, get hit to low hp, trigger adrenaline rush, heal back up with drain punch

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:42 PM

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Yeah electivire has some sauce I think

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:43 PM

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xatu is a setter as well

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say no more

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:44 PM

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girls

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:44 PM

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women

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do i try for shedinja again

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:45 PM

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shedinja does ball

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dog balls too

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:45 PM

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actually, mandibuzz, tangrowth also go hard

simple wagon Jul 10, 2025, 12:45 PM

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how bad are the misses here

sonic karma Jul 10, 2025, 12:46 PM

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ive got good sand synergy so sudo wouldnt be too bad even

#Lily's curselocke attempts and musings