huge lags

[gleaming geyser]

Hey, for a long time now i had those moments when my fps drop to 0 for like 5 seconds, so i downloaded sparkc mod and finally managed to record at the moment of lag spikes, and i now think that Skytils is making these lags, or maybe essential?
so i'm here to try to report this and find the feature that make these lag spikes

https://spark.lucko.me/KrLjwfK1Ou

[rose grove]

How many wayppints do you have

[gleaming geyser]

i was in the crystal hollows afking for hoppity, i didnt add any waypoints
only had the crystal nucleus default one

[rose grove]

You only had 1 waypoint active?

[gleaming geyser]

yes

but the lag spikes dont happen only in the crystal hollows
i get them in crimson isle too but i never managed to record performances during those
and i have only 1 waypoint too in the crimson isle

[granite lily]

i had those moments on my old pc, what are your pc specs? and when did u get your pc?

[gleaming geyser]

i5-8th gen laptop with gtx 1050ti
bought around 2019

[granite lily]

What mods are.u using?

[gleaming geyser]

sorry for late reply i was at work

ignore skyblockdungeonhelper, it's my own mod that just simulate right click when pressing a button

[granite lily]

ok so u have some work to do... first all that cannot run on that laptop, and whats bazaar notifier? all of those mods either are viruses or slow down your game, neu has fancy warp menu so delete that mod, why do you need time changer? its just taking up space and slowing your game down, for block overlay im gonna guess that it just colors the outline when you aim at a block, you dont need that its just slowing your pc down, im gonna also guess that powns togglesneak is like sneak toggle and u have it in minecraft so u dont need, whats autotip and odin? never heard of them, and all else seems fine

[gleaming geyser]

i was running these mods fine for 4 years, only recently (well 1 month now) have i started getting lag issues
bazaar notifier, is a very small mod, it just check hypixel api every minute or so to see if anyone underbid you
neu don't have fancy warp, i have latest beta and cant find it
time changer just change time to always night, nothing taking large amount of fps
cant play without block overlay
toggle sprint & sneak is only in minecraft 1.12+, can't use 1.8.9 mods there
odin: i downloaded it last week and had the issues before getting it, so it's clean
autotip just run "/tip all" sometimes

[granite lily]

just try what i advised u and see if it works, if not change it back

[gleaming geyser]

well i played with all that you said for a while and still got the lags
https://spark.lucko.me/jYEfOuoDQd
but now they come from patcher's HUDCaching ???

well ig there is something wrong with my system, i wanted to maybe reinstall it
ig that what i will do this weekend...

[granite lily]

go to patcher settings and disable HUDChaching

[granite lily]

youre right, sba has fancy menu not neu

[naive dome]

patchers HUD caching just runs the normal hud from what I remember and see

Apparently the worst part of it seems to be sba slayer tracker rendering?

Also try 4gb ram instead of 3gb?

But probably the easiest method to check would be like removing half your mods and seeing if it still happens

[granite lily]

yeah

[wise gazelle]

@gleaming geyser may i ask where u found the 1.8.9 download? i think this could be helpful for my friend

ah nvm i found the repo

[gleaming geyser]

will only be able to test this all on weekend sorry

[gleaming geyser]

i have 4096 ram allocated, sba slayer tracker all disabled but still lag
if i add more ram neu show a warning "too mcuh ram, more than 4g can cause fps issues..."
testing all the things said here rn

[naive dome]

Ig you could try removing sba from your mod folder if it still affects the performance in spark

[gleaming geyser]

removed SBA, disabled hudcaching, but this have lags, with these mods
but hudcaching still appear in the spark thing??? https://spark.lucko.me/TG2cUcnqDw

rn i'm playing with only optifine and patcher, but cant really do anything productive...

[naive dome]

does it work fine without any mods?

[rose grove]

As long as patcher is present it'll appear even if it doesn't do anything

[naive dome]

https://spark.lucko.me/docs/guides/Finding-lag-spikes

I just did some digging and came across this, would likely help with finding the cause for the lag spike?

/spark profiler --only-ticks-over 150

[gleaming geyser]

it's midnight already i'm goiing to bed, will test tomorrow

[gleaming geyser]

i'm doing this command but 50 instead of 150

just cuz in NEU's discord the bot say to use 50

[naive dome]

Would probably be fine for normal stuff

But with 50 it still gives 17926 ticks, of which almost all are likely not lagspike related

[gleaming geyser]

alright, just got the lags again with only optifine, patcher and spark
didn't managed to record but now i guess it's my laptop issue

[naive dome]

Maybe just play with your mods as normal and keep the profiler running with the 150 limit so there's maybe a chance we find a solution, but if it's actually a laptop issue that'd suck

[wise gazelle]

my friend has the exact same problem and im starting to think its a pc issue.

his pc seems to lag while handling chunkpackets, and i ensured his chunk loading settings are optimised

also im not entirely sure if the windows profiler is very accurate, esp. with the cpu usage

@untold junco

[untold junco]

gg

[wise gazelle]

like in both of ur cases the profiler says incredibly low cpu usage, which is really weird

[naive dome]

I mean that is the main sus part here

And this is some of the previous profiler results

But idk how you go about fixing that

[wise gazelle]

i know

but i have the suspicion its not a minecraft issue

like in sugars case he profiled ticks with 200 thresh and it said 0% cpu used

i think its the fact he uses a low power usage laptop cpu

[wise gazelle]

hmmm, maybe try a different gc?

doesnt minecraft use g1 on many pcs by default

[naive dome]

tbh idk

[wise gazelle]

heres his
https://spark.lucko.me/7hiTCll8wb

[rose grove]

H series is not the low power one

[wise gazelle]

p sure U is low power?

[rose grove]

oh

[wise gazelle]

also 1.6ghz

[rose grove]

diff guy?

[wise gazelle]

yea

lol

[rose grove]

i used to have a 8500U

sad times

[wise gazelle]

i have a 6th gen 💀 yet it runs perfectly fine

[gleaming geyser]

dont remember why but i decided to redownload my nvidia drivers (i have a HP Omen gaming laptop with a gtx 1050ti)
and followed this tutorial to clean the drivers of things you dont need, and i don't think i'm getting any lag spikes anymore, playing fine with all my mods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8zSEdf9DGI
some things i changed too:
disabled HUDCaching in patcher, i felt that the game was kinda laggy (like 40fps) even tho i had constant 80fps, without it it's way smoother
saw once NEU's pet overlay in the spark logs, so i replaced it with SkyHanni's, tho i'm not sure if this was really causing lags
disabled SBA slayer trackers for every slayer like suggested above

[naive dome]

yay

[cloud hull]

hey do you know how i can enable control panel?

cuz im on an omen and idk how

[gleaming geyser]

nvidia control panel?
maybe download from their website, never had issues with it

[cloud hull]

k

cuz i have 2 graphics cards 1 a rtx3060 and a radeon 5000 i think but idk

[cyan solstice]

You still lagging?

[cloud hull]

I mean i used to get 100 fps in hub one but now i only get like 20

[gleaming geyser]

are you sure you are using the right gpu in mc
press F3 and you must see your gpu on the right

[cloud hull]

Yeah idk how to change

[snow oasis]

I'm also experiencing lag spikes ever since the Skytils version that added catlas though I haven't done any profiling or investigating beyond a vague feeling it's memory related since launching a higher ram profile can hold off the lag spikes for a bit though they are inevitable. I only experience the lag spikes in dungeons however and only after playing for 30mins-90mins, and after the lag spikes start they will repeat forever with ever increasing frequency and eventually get down to every 7 seconds or so.

Is it waypoint related? The fact that it only happens to me in dungeons where there's hundreds of waypoints from dungeon rooms mod adds credence to this theory. Will disabling patcher's hudcaching help?

I've got a 8gb ram, 3050ti, and a decent 11th gen i5 cpu and lag hasn't ever been a problem before these lag spikes started up with skytils v1.9+. Also only running 11 mods total with only 5 of those being feature heavy.

[rose grove]

your issue is likely memory related then. try using a different garbage collector that does not pause

[marsh lagoon]

which version does not have catlas ?

imma get old version

cuz too much lag from skytils

[plain trench]

old version will arguably make the lag worse instead of better