🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

and I enforce my own interest by guns

oh no I mean justice

[thorny steeple]

is genital mutilation moral if a human wants to do it?

[feral river]

your morality does not have any enforcement, it was a fucking toilet paper nobody gives a fuck

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[thorny steeple]

we dont let immoral people do their crimes, we have laws for it

[feral river]

then stay happy under we those immoral people to be in charge above you

enjoy this capitalist world

survival for the fittest

[iron gate]

most countries dont even if they're acts arent a felony

[thorny steeple]

capitalism is agaisnt my well being of huamsn

[plain ruin]

He said specifically, "their own business"
So if someone wants to do something to do that to himself, what's the harm on society?
He also dumbed it down to personal freedoms, not personal freedoms to impose things on the freedom of others

[thorny steeple]

💀

[feral river]

don't cry if we do something you think it's immoral, because something that is immoral does not have any enforcement nor we would give a little fuck about it

just don't cry about it

[plain ruin]

Again, you're using emojis, you're not actually explaining the harm

[feral river]

and we will do exactly what we wanted under our interest

[thorny steeple]

first of all why are you assuming what he thinks? and asnwering for him behalf of him?

[thorny steeple]

under my morality it is harm

[feral river]

you have a law because somebody hold a fucking gun above these guys head and if you violates it you got prosecuted

[plain ruin]

Because it's a common belief, many people believe the same

[feral river]

we made the law because we have money and gun

LMFAO

that does not have anything to do with your fucking moral

law wasn't made for welfare, law was made of the order

[plain ruin]

How is what you call "genital mutilation" done by me, on myself, against your morality? (Which you defined as well being of humanity in general)

[thorny steeple]

is genital mutilation moral if a human wants to do it?

when it's something abstract like slavery I don't think though

[thorny steeple]

cus its hurting that human

[feral river]

even if it was immoral I will do it

what you can do about it huh ?

[thorny steeple]

you wont

[feral river]

stop me with your word of 'morality'

[plain ruin]

What do you even mean by genital mutilation? That's a very broad term

[feral river]

🤣

dude's moral is toilet paper

[thorny steeple]

google it

[feral river]

nobody is going to give a fuck

[iron gate]

im talking about free speech, not felonies

[thorny steeple]

i cant define it here, ill be agaisnt rules and tos

[plain ruin]

Based upon?

[thorny steeple]

human

that person

[feral river]

oh don't worry we can rid of their pain sense system so they won't feel hurt

they will feel happy if we inject some crazy stuff into their body

they will feel satisfied as fuck

don't worry about this point

[iron gate]

thats not even related

[thorny steeple]

so if your dad wanna $ui#side would you let him do thta?

[iron gate]

where you from

[thorny steeple]

bc he wants to?

[plain ruin]

Are you talking about circumcision or literal self castration? Some people define circumcision as "genital mutilation"

[feral river]

in that case why would you have this dad

[iron gate]

you muslim?

[feral river]

dude is thinking the natural selection is unworking

LMFAO

[thorny steeple]

Well, sugar, genital mutilation—more formally called Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) or sometimes Male Genital Mutilation (MGM)—is when parts of the genitals are deliberately cut, removed, or altered for non-medical reasons. It’s usually done for cultural, religious, or social reasons, not because someone needs it for health.

[feral river]

at least he could prove his value on this point

not bad to get rid of the natural selection

but it works

don't be useless to the society and the nation even the world

[coral belfry]

Türkiye*

[feral river]

you got natural selection is working all the time

[thorny steeple]

under my defition letting a human hurt well not lead to well bing of humans

thats why we stop people from $ui$ide

[iron gate]

elaborate

[feral river]

and cry about it if you would believe some fucking toilet paper called moral which nobody gives a fuck

thing works without your subjectivity

[iron gate]

when

[thorny steeple]

whose talking to you bro?

[feral river]

dead is dead, don't make it something that is special

if you are dead regardless of what, you are a dead flesh right now that does not have any meaning anymore

don't die in that case

oh morality is something that is out of the enforcement which does not matter at all in all cases

[coral belfry]

i give up
you are right ):

[feral river]

getting rid of the fucking toilet paper of morality does not mean you have to get rid of the rules or the laws

[plain ruin]

It would highly depend on the situation, your "morality" is too broad of a definition
For example if he would want a DNR/DNI, that could fall under the definition of the word, and if he were in such medical pain, then it would be dependent on the situation.

That's one example where someone may want to not live, which is accepted in society

[feral river]

the rule or the law vailds and exists as the enforcement will bring in if somebody breaks it

that's why exactly: law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper

[iron gate]

we're not in a jungle, we're a society

[plain ruin]

Okay, if someone decides to do that to themselves for any of those reasons, why is it directly harmful?

[thorny steeple]

ik definitions are broad and diff

thats why i made my own definition based on evidence, empathy and reason

[feral river]

and what is moral ? moral is a fucking piece of shit made out of nothing but somebody's interest to suck whoever believes it

[iron gate]

4th time the charm ig

[thorny steeple]

cus its harming its body

[feral river]

moral is definitely poison to all class of people

it prevents people from getting the truth

[thorny steeple]

and without medical needs he/she will probably die from blood loss

[feral river]

nothing would happen

[plain ruin]

But you don't empathise when people want to do a simple procedure for themselves, which doesn't even necessairly have to be painless?

[feral river]

the world works and society works under the rule

[iron gate]

again, morals do not equal laws

[plain ruin]

Would you concern surgical contraception harmful then too? Organ donation? Blood donation? All harm the body in their own way

Your definition is pretty broad

[feral river]

that's why it was a piece of shit

[thorny steeple]

that wasnt a procedure, i told you genital mutilation not surgery

[feral river]

oh she can't you know why ? because she will be killed by law enforcement officer in that case

not because she's moral so she won't eat you that's fucked

that's not the case

[thorny steeple]

thats why i said, " well being of humans, as a whole, in conlusions"

[feral river]

human is not whole at all

stay in your ground

[plain ruin]

A lot of the time, these procedures are done in very controlled environments nowadays, often including experts, to avoid complications to begin with

[thorny steeple]

a vaccine is painfull, but as a whole in conclusion its helpful for humans

[feral river]

I assume you are in some third world places would put us into one hole with you guys

no I'm from a rich superpower

🇨🇳

just stay at where you are

and mind your own business

[uncut tiger]

🇵🇰 🇨🇳 🇵🇰 🇨🇳 🇵🇰 🇨🇳

[iron gate]

thats why countries religion fail in the terms of morals

[thorny steeple]

Alright, sugar, lemme put it plain for ya: genital mutilation is when part of a person’s genitals is deliberately cut, removed, or injured for non-medical reasons. It can happen to girls, boys, or adults, but most often it’s done to girls and women, and it ain’t about health—it’s usually about tradition, control, or social norms. It’s widely considered a violation of human rights.

it says "non medical"

[feral river]

some third world guys always like to put everybody in one 'whole'

because they live in some poor broke ground

[thorny steeple]

whose talking to you?

[feral river]

no heck we are fucking rich LMFAO

and powerful 🤣 🇨🇳

[plain ruin]

Okay, got your point
Now what if someone what's to circumcize himself to be a part of a religion, and the said religion also has helped him become a better human being, then what?

[uncut tiger]

[iron gate]

your like 1/8 of the world, its more common to be chinese

[uncut tiger]

🇵🇰 🇨🇳 🇵🇰 🇨🇳 🇵🇰 🇨🇳
Salud Comrade 💦

[feral river]

not really bad I'm a fucking upper class

[thorny steeple]

in my morality its immoral

[feral river]

who cares

some moral piece of shit that would poison people's mind will be eliminated

[thorny steeple]

how tf a genital mutilation help a person get better

[plain ruin]

No need to copy your AI generated answer for a second time
Saying that it's not done for medical reasons, that doesn't mean it cannot be done in a controlled environment with minimal issues

[thorny steeple]

💀

[iron gate]

approximately 13% of China's population lived below the poverty line of $5.50 per day

[thorny steeple]

i cant get the defintion of genital mutilation bc you dont get it, and i cant write a whole paraghrap

[feral river]

cool can I buy their life by spend 200 bucks ?

I had 200x of that in my pocket money

[plain ruin]

It's not about the circumcision making a person better. Often people convert because they find themselves better human beings in a society by following a faith, and then they adhere to such rules, like circumcision

[feral river]

probably my iPhone 15 is enough to buy 3 of them if I can

[thorny steeple]

yes under my moraltiy circumsicion is immoral

[plain ruin]

Seems like you don't get it, you haven't explained at all how doing it outside of medical reasons = harm

[thorny steeple]

yes

[feral river]

dare you can say that is immoral if I enforce it on you ?

🤣

[thorny steeple]

ouside of medical reasons is harm

[feral river]

dude's moral is fragile as it will be destroyed by 7.62mm bullet

[plain ruin]

Based upon?

[thorny steeple]

well being of humans

[plain ruin]

So you're not against the act itself, but the systems behind the act?

[iron gate]

why the personal attack, is that your way to conversate with other people, i was talking in a completely different conversation

[feral river]

womp womp dude

that's what you will do as a rich

maybe you just don't get it but hope you will be rich someday

[thorny steeple]

the act is harming the kid

first of all its agasint the consent of kid

second of all it increses the risk of aids

[plain ruin]

We started this conversation with a person willingly wanting to consent to circumcision, why are you making this about kids?

[feral river]

dude is assuming kid would have the right to consent mostly

in that case you are not qualified to be their parent because they did not consent that

your kid did not consent that you should be their parent

you aren't rich enough can't bring a nice life to them

in that case you are just disqualified

[plain ruin]

Are you saying that circumcision is "harmful" as the act itself? Or are you saying that circumcision is "harmful" because of the systems behind the act?

[feral river]

[thorny steeple]

no that was frenxys definiton of morality

[feral river]

now I get the reason to ban abortion

that make sense now if Trump wants to ban abortion across America

we would support him in that case

[plain ruin]

Exactly, and we were talking about a person wanting to have it done on himself
Again, where's the relevance of kids?

[feral river]

abortion is fucking immoral dude

[thorny steeple]

Are you saying that circumcision is "harmful" as the act itself?

this one

[feral river]

🤣

what a freaking nice excuse

[thorny steeple]

yes than its immoral according to me

[plain ruin]

How is it harmful if someone wants to do it to himself, outside religious, traditional and cultural reasons

[feral river]

next time bring some hard shit to talk about some piece of crap of moral

it's not a surprise such people would be easily destroyed

[thorny steeple]

same as i cant let a person suicide bc he want to or consented to it

[plain ruin]

By what way is it harmful according to your morals?

[coral belfry]

انا ما بتكلمش تركي

[thorny steeple]

going agsint wellbeing of humans

[iron gate]

you could buy them approximately for a year for 5.5 * 365, which is 2007.5 $ and multiply that by the average life expectancy in china, which is 2007.5 * 77.95 = 156484.625
so you can buy a person from china for 150k, nice

[sweet wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-shaking-amazing-world-of-gumball-fire-cat-gif-11547717823424799035

[feral river]

not bad I can buy 3 without selling my house

I will consider that thank you

[thorny steeple]

???

[plain ruin]

This explains everything about you, you're too broad and not holistic enough as a person to understand nuance

[feral river]

exactly with their fucked argument

[thorny steeple]

no, i disagree with your definition of morality

[iron gate]

no problem, some people are cheaper then that, look out for discounts :)))

[bronze venture]

FREE PALESTINE

[feral river]

their morality which is a toilet paper does not prove anything neither we would give a fuck

[feral river]

🇮🇱 STAND WITH ISRAEL

[thorny steeple]

well yeah, i cant let a person harm himself, it will cause the harm to their family too

[coral belfry]

FREE PALESTINE

[feral river]

terrorists and separatists who fight against Israel will be eliminated

[bronze venture]

FUCK ISRAEL

[feral river]

Hail Prime Minister 🇮🇱 Benjamin Netanyahu

[bronze venture]

NETANYAHU IS THE BEST EVIL

[iron gate]

ragebait at its finest

[sweet wolf]

Gal Gadot is not letting you hit bro

[tired birch]

Politics and Religion is frying my brain

[plain ruin]

I think that you should grow older, read more news, watch court cases and talk to surgeons and oncologists, who see people suffering and how their families suffer

[plain ruin]

When doesn't it?

[feral river]

what if I reward you 10 minutes' talk with my sis

🤣

[plain ruin]

Holy😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[tired birch]

😭

[sweet wolf]

I couldn't get waffles, the gate close time was at fucking 9

[tired birch]

Minecraft you scare me.

[plain ruin]

💔💔💔 how was the pizza

[feral river]

lmao

[sweet wolf]

[feral river]

maybe 30 minutes

or even one day it's hard but I can do that

[sweet wolf]

7.5 but I ate so much

[iron gate]

you arabic?

[feral river]

I will do my best for you buddy

[plain ruin]

how many bro

[tired birch]

Yes, thats true. Everybody claims humanitarian cause while focusing on their particular agenda

[vast mist]

Hey gays

[feral river]

humanitarian piece of shit is created by leftists

[thorny steeple]

"its my body, ill do as i please"
harm: if youre causing serious harm to yourself, society has a reason to stop it, of mental health, family being mentally and socially damaged, stop it for being a suicide

[plain ruin]

@fresh flower Rachid's talking to you

[feral river]

world works without these fucking shit

[vast mist]

Any one here from Morocco please

[sweet wolf]

Funny story, the dude tried scamming me by suggesting me all the expensive pizza flavours. I was too hungry to fight so I got my usual buy 1 get 3

[iron gate]

50%

[sweet wolf]

Still a pretty great deal, I'm full for 399

[feral river]

MARXISM WINS

[plain ruin]

I saw that the unlimited option is limited to 2 veg and 2 non veg offerings today

[tired birch]

No, I disagree.

[sweet wolf]

Yeah

I didn't like those flavour tbh

[feral river]

you might disagree but that does not stop the truth

[coral belfry]

THE TERRORIST MILITIAS WHO ESTABLISHED THE IDF WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

[feral river]

the truth is humanitarian problems created by leftists

[sweet wolf]

@plain ruin are the waffles purely dessert or filling enough to work as lunch

[plain ruin]

Yup, it's annoying
Everyone from atheists to christians to muslims to whatnot
Most are arguments that are against the concept of the other group's existence rather than improving society

[feral river]

womp womp they are in charge and they are no longer terrorists

[formal pilot]

Minekaph china mainland is unmuted

[feral river]

win a war after you will say that's not terrorism

[tired birch]

The VC mod Thor is islamophobe. :(

[thorny steeple]

in your defintion humans will go extinct

😭

let them suicide, its their choice

[feral river]

I'm also a Zionist 🇮🇱

[coral belfry]

is/was a terrorist
always a terrorist

[thorny steeple]

💀

[feral river]

Hail Zionist and Zionism 🇮🇱 🇺🇸

[plain ruin]

Its not purely dessert, I took the pistachio filling with extra pistachio sprinkles on top, can fill one up for lunch asw

[formal pilot]

Ask nabi to bring a replacement for halal muslim

[iron gate]

you cant switch teams

[sweet wolf]

Tomorrow's lunch is sorted 😋

[feral river]

my team is the team that against terrorism

**LONG LIVE THE WAR ON TERROR 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 **

[iron gate]

well nice, free free palestine

[feral river]

stand with Israel

[iron gate]

china is not with isreal

[coral belfry]

and also is made up of terrorists

[thorny steeple]

i was right you do have a kindergarten level knowedge about well being of humans

[feral river]

we are with Israel pretty much lmfao

[iron gate]

who are you trying to ragebait

[thorny steeple]

a mentally ill person wouldn't be in a state of consenting, and letting them do the body harm would scar his life, instead of giving them help your helping them hurt them selves and their family

[summer sphinx]

womp womp womp

[thorny steeple]

??

[summer sphinx]

wsg shawty

[weak quarry]

hello there

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Israel_relations

[coral belfry]

it does recognizes itself
what are you on

[thorny steeple]

than your going against your definition

[iron gate]

nice, here is a cookies 🍪

[summer sphinx]

shimi shimi

[thorny steeple]

under your definion, youd let the kid harm himself bc hes consenting to the harm

[summer sphinx]

felt

[feral river]

if it contains the dog meat I will accept

[plain ruin]

that's a dude, indian even

[summer sphinx]

who cares

[iron gate]

friendly fire will not be tolerated

[weak quarry]

Chinese Minecraft?

[plain ruin]

That's the atheist neoliberal version of nobu

[summer sphinx]

shimi shimi

[plain ruin]

You do

[thorny steeple]

.

[summer sphinx]

I do actually

[plain ruin]

Your familial income has to go up somehow

[sweet wolf]

Pakijigger

[summer sphinx]

Look at this kid

[thorny steeple]

thats special pleading

[plain ruin]

Instead of the dude from India, you can marry me, the MAN from India

[summer sphinx]

Aight bro

[thorny steeple]

your not consistent with your your saying

[summer sphinx]

Aight.

[plain ruin]

I will bestow upon you my passport within 2 years too bro

[summer sphinx]

Revive Refuge
Revive Refuge
Revive Refuge

[thorny steeple]

thats why that defintion is stupid, cus you went agaisnt it

[plain ruin]

There's no one worth inviting tbh, not here, not on ST

[summer sphinx]

Gpay me sum bucks

[coral belfry]

@feral river

[plain ruin]

Send number

[summer sphinx]

Hunt Hunt Hunt

[feral river]

lol

[sweet wolf]

Of course you're looking at kids

[summer sphinx]

How much

[dapper laurel]

Genetically closest populations to the ancient Israelites

[feral river]

dude IDF have Chinese drones on the battlefield

[summer sphinx]

Balls.

[plain ruin]

I'll use https://www.random.org/

[summer sphinx]

Do it

[thorny steeple]

Human well-being morality is a framework that says actions, rules, and choices are morally right if they promote the health, happiness, safety, and flourishing of humans, and morally wrong if they cause suffering, harm, or hinder people from living good lives.

[plain ruin]

@fresh flower I knew you were Jewish in disguise

[summer sphinx]

Bro u isn't sum Rothschild my guy

[dapper laurel]

@manic juniper

[tired birch]

With your PFP, you look like the LLM.

[summer sphinx]

It says 68$

Wait 77

[dull raft]

Hey

[plain ruin]

they're in the AI echochamber phase

[dull raft]

I’m looking for some driven people to work with thought I’d reach out and see if you might be interested?

[summer sphinx]

Send me 99$

[plain ruin]

I said "I'll use"

[summer sphinx]

Ur on discord bro

[summer sphinx]

Do it then

[sweet wolf]

Enough to stack 11 yarmulkes on that head

[dull raft]

@tired skiff

I’m looking for some driven people to work with thought I’d reach out and see if you might be interested?

[summer sphinx]

Tf

[sweet wolf]

"It isn't just X-it's Y"

[summer sphinx]

@plain ruin how much

[plain ruin]

Either it's an AI, or the dude modelled an AI after his personality

[plain ruin]

Wait bro I'm in serious chat.

[summer sphinx]

Tf

[plain ruin]

Shush.

[sweet wolf]

Am I battling ghost or AI

[tired birch]

Bro smh 😭

Theres a fight in

Politics n religion VC

[dull raft]

I don’t use WhatsApp

[thorny steeple]

i told you, i got it from internet

[plain ruin]

Tell us something new😭😭😭

[dull raft]

telegram

[sweet wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/herder-sheep-sheep-herder-cornered-gif-25924627

[tired birch]

A guy is crashing out

[thorny steeple]

i aint writing out the whole definition

[tired birch]

calling a girl middle eastern b**ch

and anti jew

[plain ruin]

Yeah NO buddy, you got it from an AI, no human would say "sugar" and then use an em dash this early after "sugar"

[thorny steeple]

yea i told you

[plain ruin]

Still not anything new bro😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

...

[dull raft]

i send

[plain ruin]

Yes, your personal AI, simple as that

[uncut tiger]

[thorny steeple]

i think i said yes for like 4th

[plain ruin]

They ought to start mass releasing the new models which are less echo-chambery soon

Wasn't there a company that was going to do that because of the harm it was causing

[sweet wolf]

Can I stack pakoras on it

[thorny steeple]

??

[dull raft]

am done for sure

[plain ruin]

It's okay, atleast you don't give LLMs instructions to speak like you and live in an echochamber

[dull raft]

no Way.

[plain ruin]

I thought you were making a joke yourself, now I know what you're saying too😭

People use social media prompts and custom prompts with every new session, and get attached to their sessions😭 CRAZY

One day he's going to fight for AI rights too

I got it, native english speaker moved to india for the time being, so I have a fairly good understanding of intended meaning despite mistakes

I know exactly which ones you're talking about...

Kara

Then there was Connor and Markus

I replayed it recently, found out that sexdroids are canon

Even Connor's personality trait and how you can mold him into becoming a variant is really cool honestly

But you can mold him throughout the game with your own actions, you can keep him as a strict android with no emotions, or you can make him become a variant over time by choosing emotions

deviant* sorry, not variant

One of the endings of Connor allows him to free a lot of androids from the factories that don't have deviancy, and also make them deviants

There's also a part where he fights the programming of the company and stuff, there's a lot of options

[arctic thorn]

Hello

[manic juniper]

Legit, that's why Christianity isn't a Jewish middle eastern religion anymore

[plain ruin]

@thorny steeple

[tacit wren]

I bought property in egypt
And what they do for you Is giveyouTheproperty

[thorny steeple]

????

why are you stalking my messages?

[plain ruin]

It's just going to show your history of incompetence

[plain ruin]

Wanted to make sure you're the same person I thought you were, and you are, the "atheist" who said "kami" are "spirits"

[thorny steeple]

ur weird

[plain ruin]

I don't spend all my time criticizing other people for not sharing my beliefs, that's weird

[thorny steeple]

thats what you do

in serious chat

i question belief

[plain ruin]

Not really, I just question everyone who makes any claim

[thorny steeple]

and im prepared to defend my belief

[plain ruin]

Exactly, you're an apologetic, I don't "believe" in any of the things you do

And you focus on belief, and not actions in reality, which is why you're no better than those trying to impose their beliefs on others/claim that the beliefs of others are wrong, like Nobu and Minecraft

[crystal kayak]

👀👀👀👀

[thorny steeple]

?

[crystal kayak]

I just came to ask when will you revert

[thorny steeple]

revert to waht

[crystal kayak]

You know what I mean,so when

[thorny steeple]

i dont

back to what

[shut plank]

Hi

[crystal kayak]

Good acting so when

[crystal kayak]

Wassup

[plain ruin]

I actually don't think the dude knows what it means

[thorny steeple]

can you stop beating around the bush

and say it?

if you mean im religious?
than i was never religious

[crystal kayak]

He does know it but he is acting stupid

[thorny steeple]

i never warrant a belief in god in my whole life

[plain ruin]

I've seen the behaviour, I don't think any of this dude's opinions are his own

[crystal kayak]

I thought you were going to revert to a Muslim

[crystal kayak]

Ahh so you are an atheist

[thorny steeple]

wtf

when was i muslim

my family isnt even a muslim

[plain ruin]

He actually doesn't know

[thorny steeple]

i was atheist from birth

[plain ruin]

In Islam, they consider the default state of humanity to be a follower of God, therefore those who convert to Islam are said to be "reverts"

[thorny steeple]

i never believed in smth which was related to supernatural

i jsut never thought it would be real

[plain ruin]

That's just lies, you're the one who said you believed in Kami

[thorny steeple]

but as i aged i got to know more about the arguments

[thorny steeple]

i was joking

[crystal kayak]

In simple terms we believe everyone is born a Muslim

[plain ruin]

Hmmm interesting

[arctic heart]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-gif-14665964756427917240

[thorny steeple]

i got interested in shintoism

bc of japan

[arctic heart]

Mm

[thorny steeple]

and its aesthetics

[arctic heart]

Hello people

[crystal kayak]

Interesting so you believe you have no purpose in this world

[thorny steeple]

but i still dont believe like souls like kami can exist in trees, water ponds, water fountains

[plain ruin]

Then you found out about chigos

[thorny steeple]

?

chigos?

whats

[plain ruin]

Oh, you don't know what chigos are in shintoism?

[thorny steeple]

yes i am nihilist too

[plain ruin]

Interesting

[crystal kayak]

Me too maybe he picked up this opinion on this server many of them are like this

[plain ruin]

The dude's first messages here were about religion so...

[thorny steeple]

i dont think life has natural or predetermined purpose given by a nature of divine god

[crystal kayak]

You don't believe in morals principles

[thorny steeple]

i read abotu shintoism i didnt found this word

[thorny steeple]

i do believe in morals

https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2056.html

i studied this religion for few hours and than left it

[plain ruin]

You spend all your time talking about Christianity and Islam having verses that you say "promote adult activities with children", but you didn't research Shinto's history on the same subject?

[thorny steeple]

it looks aesthetic but its all bs

[crystal kayak]

?def nihilism

[cursive bobcat]

Word: nihilism

Definition 1 (noun): the delusion that things (or everything, including the self) do not exist; a sense that everything is unreal
Definition 2 (noun): a revolutionary doctrine that advocates destruction of the social system for its own sake
Definition 3 (noun): complete denial of all established authority and institutions

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by zozu0349

[thorny steeple]

nihilism is about purpose given to life

morals are can be made by reason, empathy and evidence

and some of that you already have it from evolution

[crystal kayak]

This is the definition I found on Google

[thorny steeple]

i mostly know more about christiantity than islam and hinduism

[crystal kayak]

Almost thought you are another Minecraft

[plain ruin]

And you don't know about the religion you claimed to research, i.e. Shintoism??? And you didn't bother to look and Shinto's history with children?

[crystal kayak]

At least you believe in morals and empathy

[plain ruin]

He's minecraft except for these two things

[thorny steeple]

i reject morals from religion, cus i dont think they are well being of humans but instead they are based on well being of gods

[plain ruin]

Huh😭

[thorny steeple]

i did look but i left after few hours, it was bs

[crystal kayak]

But this one is more stupid he picks verses from religious books and just runs with without context the other is just a pretend psychopath

[thorny steeple]

💀 is that what you got from me?

[plain ruin]

Since you claim to know more about Christianity than other religions, how does, say, Christianity, serve the well being of Jesus?

[crystal kayak]

What

[plain ruin]

What does Jesus stand to gain by anyone being Christian?

[thorny steeple]

cus the bible is about well being of jesus rather than humans

[plain ruin]

In what way? What does Jesus gain by someone being a good christian?

[crystal kayak]

I told you he is dumb

As soon as he said he is a nihilist

[plain ruin]

I sense ghosting my message or an AI generated answer

[crystal kayak]

Well you always do this and when you are presented with context you ran sooo

[thorny steeple]

i dont believe there is the real god, but the god of bible claims to be the truth and if you dont believe in god youll face eternal torture

[tiny apex]

That’s what they like to do here

[muted umbra]

🙀

[crystal kayak]

He did ghost me yesterday so today he might change it up a bit and do the AI one

[plain ruin]

Okay but your statement "but instead they are based on well being of gods" still doesn't make sense for any religion
By definition, all gods would have some power over humans and have nothing to gain from humans

You didn't answer my question at all?

[thorny steeple]

i dont want a twisted interpretation from you to make the verse look least moral

when a book says its permits slavery

theres no context which makes it moral

[crystal kayak]

I didn't say believe me I showed you and told you to go read it and you ran and ghosted me

[plain ruin]

Still doesn't explain what Jesus has to gain from anyone believing in him, you said "well being of the god"

[thorny steeple]

how can a all lovable god permit owning a other human being

thats just evil and no way a god would even write that

and alot of disturbing things

which makes me unconvinved me to worship them

[muted umbra]

But the old god wasn’t all about love exactly. That’s the new testament one.

[thorny steeple]

so the never changing god changed

so he was wrong before

and updated it wiht bible 2.0

and btw theres still immoral versus in new testament

[muted umbra]

Indeed. That’s why Jews and Catholics are so different.

[crystal kayak]

And when you present them with the context they suddenly disappear

[muted umbra]

They patched God.

[plain ruin]

What does any of this have to do with your statement? What does any of what you have just said, have to do with the well being of Jesus, over humans?

[thorny steeple]

also theres no evidence for me to get convince they even exist

[muted umbra]

You might feel like that way, but for them was absolutely moral. Remember that is word based on tradition

[plain ruin]

And then, there's also Buddhism, how does Buddhism, whose primary focus is on the self, have to do with the well being of "The Buddha"

[thorny steeple]

the bible where you get the religious divine morals are based on gods well being

[plain ruin]

How to any of the "divine morals" in the Bible, help "God's well being"

[thorny steeple]

as of me a secular humanist i care about other people more than a god, which you dont even know if he eixst

[plain ruin]

You said that Christianity permits slavery in the new testament too, I actually agree with you

But your statement, still doesn't make sense, how does a human owning another human benefit God?

[crystal kayak]

He is doing a good job of avoiding this question

[thorny steeple]

i mean sure, they didnt know at that time slavery was immoral, but it was immoral its just they didnt know

[muted umbra]

No. It was moral for them.

[thorny steeple]

you should gotta ask the slaves

if it was moral

[muted umbra]

That’s now what moral means.

[thorny steeple]

or na

[crystal kayak]

[plain ruin]

Avoiding the question, again

[thorny steeple]

well for me, well being of humans is what i base my morals

and i also think worshipping is immoral, cus when you do that, you suspend your reasonable mind and do what ever the god says

[muted umbra]

Yes. But Moral isn’t a concurred thing among different people. It just represents what is good for a certain group.

[thorny steeple]

and he commanded genocide of amelekits

[thorny steeple]

yea

[plain ruin]

I'll ask again and ping you,
You said that Christianity permits slavery in the new testament too, I actually agree with you

But your statement, still doesn't make sense, how does a human owning another human benefit God?

[muted umbra]

So slavery can be moral for some and immoral for others.

[thorny steeple]

your questions are like for kids

[plain ruin]

Your statement makes no sense
None of the laws that "God" gives in the bible, benefits god

[thorny steeple]

read bible

you dumb ass

[plain ruin]

According to the bible, god is all powerful and all knowing, how would a human doing any action, be beneficial for him?

[plain ruin]

I've read it more than you have; clearly

[thorny steeple]

bible is all about jesus

[crystal kayak]

Just give us one verse from the bible

[thorny steeple]

quran is all about allah

[crystal kayak]

Omg

[thorny steeple]

gita is all about krishna

[plain ruin]

That still doesn't add up, if Jesus gave us his rules, and he is omnipotent as per Christians, then...

How does he benefit by anyone being Christian?
He's already all powerful

[crystal kayak]

Did you ever read the Quran

[plain ruin]

You said its for "his benefit"

[crystal kayak]

He has an IQ of a starfish

[plain ruin]

Is Buddhism whose religion is centered on the idea that individual people have spirituality, beneficial to "Lord Buddha"?

[plain ruin]

Don't insult starfish

[muted umbra]

Only the New Testament.

[thorny steeple]

thats what christians claims,

but if he is actually all powerful, why is he tormenting people just bc they didn't believe in him for what he didnt came one convincing evidence

[thorny steeple]

so god was wrong about old testament?

[plain ruin]

Debatable, Christianity claims that the Old Testament foretells his coming

[thorny steeple]

why is suddenly old testament irrelevant?

[plain ruin]

Even then, what does he, who according to you is not all powerful, according to you just a human who lived and died, what does he have to gain from it? When he died decades before people really started believing in him?

[neon sierra]

quran is called the final testament

[spice bobcat]

Please get out

[thorny steeple]

😭

[plain ruin]

Say "Please get out in the name of Nobu Yobu" and I will

[muted umbra]

I was thinking more in Old Testament as Jews see it. They really don’t like the split from Catholics.

[crystal kayak]

I came to witness @thorny steeple revert but now he is just tweaking out

[spice bobcat]

In the name of nobu the missionary please GET OUUU

[muted umbra]

It was other kind of people.

[thorny steeple]

i agree

it was written by humans

[plain ruin]

All Christians link a LOT of verses from the old testament prophets to say that Jesus is the messiah

[thorny steeple]

same as new testament

but i have no good reason to accept it was from actualy god

[plain ruin]

Jews may not agree but in the context of Christianity, they actively teach and include the Old Testament in the footnotes and in the gospels themselves, words like "This is to fulfill xyz scripture that said..."

[thorny steeple]

if you have any argument for god sure, im not gonna entertain your childish questions

[muted umbra]

That’s heresy.

[thorny steeple]

and nothing will revert to become religious

[plain ruin]

According to Judaism, yes
According to Christian belief, no

[thorny steeple]

probably evidence will atleast convinve me of its existence

[muted umbra]

Indeed. Concurred.

[plain ruin]

Fair, thats sorted out

[crystal kayak]

What childish question,you made a statement that said "the Quran and the bible only benefit God" so the question is how does it benefit God

[neon sierra]

you know whats the most beautiful

Allah never leaves you

[plain ruin]

You aren't looking for evidence though, you're actively looking for things you don't like, in the religions you don't like

You did not look for the same things in Shintoism, you're theologically inconsistent and have probably not read any of the books of the Bible at all, its really easy to tell

[neon sierra]

Always there and everywhere

Even if you dont believe in him

[plain ruin]

I have been exorcised💔💔💔💔

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spice bobcat]

I can assume the opposite and it'll be just as viable

[spice bobcat]

An angel has lost its wings

[uncut tiger]

Trans Muslim woman wears hijab for the first time

[plain ruin]

insert barbie crying, face in both her palms💔

[coral belfry]

yeah god is all powerful
how does he benefit from the quran and the bible

[uncut tiger]

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-barbie-cry-sad-barbie-doll-gif-16485454

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-eating-wriogifs-gif-16756312781247276485

[thorny steeple]

yes quran is only about allah and bible is only about jesus, thats demonstrabe if you know the books

[neon sierra]

not even an inch of you believes in God?

[thorny steeple]

ok sure give me the evidence

[neon sierra]

If you do, hold on into it

if you dont, if you could choose, would you wanna be a believer?

[crystal kayak]

But he is complete and self sufficient whether you worship him or not so your comment doesn't make sense

[plain ruin]

The Bible is not only about Jesus, neither is not not about Jesus
You clearly haven't read it

[thorny steeple]

the probably with sintoism is theres no religious scripture of shintoism

[spice bobcat]

idk

[crystal kayak]

So the main question is how does it benefit God

[thorny steeple]

[plain ruin]

Yet there's practices and traditions rooted in stuff that doesn't fit your morality

[coral belfry]

you didn't read the Quran
nor the bible

[thorny steeple]

"bible isnt about jeusus"

😭

[thorny steeple]

not all

[crystal kayak]

He still exist whether you worship or not

[neon sierra]

if you could choose, would you wanna be a believer?

[thorny steeple]

i have read versus

[spice bobcat]

If I had an alternative no

[coral belfry]

you said it all about "blank"
then you say it is not about "blank"
?

[spice bobcat]

If there was no other option I would

[plain ruin]

Learn to read, better yet, ask your AI to translate my message to hindi so that you can understand what I said

I said that the Bible is not ONLY about Jesus

[thorny steeple]

i dont care about practices or tradions or comfortbaly all i care about is god exitence true or not

[plain ruin]

You're on EnglishHub, might as well learn some English here

[neon sierra]

whats this answer

[plain ruin]

You very much do care about practices and traditions, that's the basis on which you're deciding whether a god is true or not

[thorny steeple]

the claim is that the bible is the word of god and to serve jesus

[neon sierra]

or nvm i think i got it

[crystal kayak]

No

[thorny steeple]

😭

ur dumb

[spice bobcat]

If I had to choose to believe or not believe. I'd choose the latter. Less responsibility and I'm lazy

[thorny steeple]

practices and traditions have no relation to truth of its gods existence

[neon sierra]

exactly

[thorny steeple]

yup

[neon sierra]

i am lazy as well, i feel like a failure

[plain ruin]

Most of the Bible is historical, there's books in the Bible that have nothing to do with Jesus, such as the book of Job, the book of Jonah, etc.
There's a lot to do with Jesus, but it's not only about Jesus

[neon sierra]

but that doesnt change the truth i believe in

[plain ruin]

Explain what Job and Jonah have to do with Jesus

[spice bobcat]

If there was a god we'd know more about him than just conjectures

Idk bout bro

I have no reason to think about bro

[thorny steeple]

the most of bible being historical doesnt make the jesus true

[neon sierra]

what should we know

[thorny steeple]

do you have any evidence or argument?

[neon sierra]

we knows whats necessary for us

[plain ruin]

Using emojis and saying "ur dumb" isn't an argument

[spice bobcat]

For starters, that he exists

[neon sierra]

and more than that

[thorny steeple]

ur rebuttals are

or ur trolling

[neon sierra]

you have a loving god

[thorny steeple]

ur rebuttals are way to silly

[neon sierra]

whats the meaning of life then

[spice bobcat]

Me becoming a doctor and helping people in need hopefully

[plain ruin]

You're claiming that 100% of the Bible is about Jesus
It's not, there are books that have nothing to do with the coming of Jesus, if you read the books of Job and Jonah in the Bible, you'd know that

[thorny steeple]

they are dumb

[neon sierra]

if you truly love the creator you would find and love him anyways

[spice bobcat]

You need a book to do that then mashallah ukthi

[thorny steeple]

how do you know bible is true?

[neon sierra]

without God, u wouldnt be this perfection you are today

[plain ruin]

That's you changing my words, their claim is that the bible is solely about Jesus, read above and read current messages
That's not true

[crystal kayak]

Still doesn't make sense tbh God created us and sent us signs that he exists so I still don't get what you are talking about

[thorny steeple]

bible is about jesus

[spice bobcat]

But I have free will. I am the product of my choices. Your statement turns it deterministic

[plain ruin]

Where does the Bible being true come into this?
You said the bible is only about jesus???😭

[thorny steeple]

i literally asked a question

is bible true?

[neon sierra]

i meant the body

and even that you can think and criticise, even your free will is from him

[spice bobcat]

Evolution amen

Exactly, so it's not a bad thing I'm using it

[plain ruin]

They said that the Bible was only about Jesus...
What the fuck are you on about?

[thorny steeple]

can you demonstrate that?

[neon sierra]

the way you use it determines your character

[spice bobcat]

"The way you"

[neon sierra]

what i wanna even say is that prophet eyub

[spice bobcat]

So I am the product of my choices not his

[thorny steeple]

ur stupid bible is about jesus

[neon sierra]

isk of u know hos story but with all his sickness, he was still a perfection

[plain ruin]

I don't believe the Bible is true
I read the Catholic version 3 times in its entirety

That's why I'm telling you that I know that the Bible isn't just about Jesus

[thorny steeple]

thats like basics

[coral belfry]

but you will never be able to handle the Absurdism

[thorny steeple]

im coninved either your a troll or you dont know about christinity

[crystal kayak]

The Quran

[thorny steeple]

quran is the claim

its like saying spiderman movie is the evidence for spiderman

[verbal torrent]

Oh thank god..

[spice bobcat]

That's not for you to decide. Again it's my will, and there's nothing you can do

[thorny steeple]

yes, like harry potter book is the evidence of harry potter

[neon sierra]

muslims believe that God gave us free will so we can make moral choices and from those that we shall get judged

[coral belfry]

okey it is your will

[plain ruin]

Jeez, I'll do you a favour, the individual misrepresented me by claiming that I said "The Bible is not about Jesus"
The second screenshot was a reaction to the 3rd screenshot

[thorny steeple]

i dont care what they believe how can i know thats true?

[neon sierra]

its called faith and belief for a reason

from the heart you follow

[thorny steeple]

can i believe that bible is truth by faith?

pro tip: theres none

sure

but im skeptical if that jesus had divine powers

or was he god

[neon sierra]

our wills are aligned with his will

idk if aligned is the correct word here

[thorny steeple]

@neon sierra ?

[plain ruin]

I did, I started with reading it everyday at night when I was 8
Would even stay up late reading it and looking up words, that was confusing but also led to a lot of questions about God

I later did it again when I was 16 over the summer, skimming through stories that I already knew/were repeated again

Then my 3rd go was looking at the verses where they reference the same events in other books, so I could see the differences

[neon sierra]

read study and decide

islam tells us to study it

[thorny steeple]

why read and study? why canti i believe that on faith?

why cant i believe jesus is god by faith?

[neon sierra]

if you going to believe in christianity, thats more specific, dont you wanna know the words of God then?

[plain ruin]

That's NOT what you want THAT GUY to do😭 The guy uses ChatGPT as a personal echo chamber, even makes the LLM speak like he does

[thorny steeple]

anyways i dont believe faith can lead you to truth

[neon sierra]

what leads us to the truth?

what is truth? is there only one way to truth?

[thorny steeple]

if i can be christian by faith, muslim by faith, hindu by faith, and the faith iisnt the path to truth

[thorny steeple]

whats that one way?

[spice bobcat]

They're an extension in a spiritual perspective. But free will would say it's independent of it imo. Because we carry out evil shi too

[turbid ivy]

The cause of the universe is God

[spice bobcat]

Yay

[thorny steeple]

whats the cause?

[crystal kayak]

Comparing the Quran to harry Potter is just utterly stupid, anyone can write a story,the Quran challenges anyone to produce anything like it it has preserved word for word over 1400years and also it's prophetic aspect like how embryos develope plus the expanding universe which at the time was unknown to man

[thorny steeple]

no

[plain ruin]

I found the battles fun when I was 8, when I was smaller and I used to be pretty religious then, I was excelling in class till I was maybe 16 so I didn't care, I had some personal events that led to me looking into religion again, that's when I decided to look at it again
Then I just found a lot of things I didn't agree with/didn't make sense

[crystal kayak]

Can harry potter do that

[thorny steeple]

i need enough confidence in evidence to warrant my believe on things

[thorny steeple]

they both have claims

[neon sierra]

humans are not obedient as angels, this is our test and it includes that we have free will, all steps we take, God knows in beforehand, he allows it

[thorny steeple]

thats what our point was

[plain ruin]

It's boring for the average person but if you're someone who likes to read papers/go through meaning then it can be very stimulating

[thorny steeple]

ok we are getting no where

some other time theist

bye

[neon sierra]

if u believe faith is not taking us to the truth what is then, i am asking you

[thorny steeple]

evidence and good arguments

[crystal kayak]

Is the universe expanding didn't the Quran talk about how embryos developed which at time unknown to anyone until scientist confirmed it can harry potter do that?

[spice bobcat]

I get that, it's an unfalsifiable belief. And about the end, would you say he allows a genocide to happen.

[thorny steeple]

i believe in lots of things

[turbid ivy]

Principle of an explanation

[crystal kayak]

First of all can we agree the prediction was right

[neon sierra]

genocides happens by human actions

[plain ruin]

I'm not even Christian anymore, you don't seem to pay attention
I have however, read the Bible entirely, and it's simply not all just about Jesus

[spice bobcat]

But he does allow it. That's what you said

[weak quarry]

what's going on

[thorny steeple]

yes after scientist discovered it, and then muslims interpreted in a way to sound like quran did it first

even tho quran was there was 1000s of years and no muslims found it

[thorny steeple]

have you read gita?

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-ksi-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-speed-laughing-gif-15969897472035948306

word play @turbid ivy

[neon sierra]

how can we constate that god has allowed it

[thorny steeple]

nice wordplay

bullshit predictions

[weak quarry]

eternal disputes, which are mostly pointless;
99.99999999999%

[plain ruin]

Nowadays, no
Me excelling in class as a kid, also led to me not having the systems required to live the life I require to live, so I'm mostly focusing on that and familial property matters, more important to my continued existence than anything right now

[spice bobcat]

It also says sperm forms in the spine. If I remember correctly

[spice bobcat]

You just said he knows and he allows

[plain ruin]

I haven't read it, so I won't make any claims/discussions about it

[neon sierra]

no i didnt mean that tho

[turbid ivy]

It's an explanation of a thing.

Why does the universe exist?

[thorny steeple]

idk

[neon sierra]

i mean that he knows what we do always

[spice bobcat]

[crystal kayak]

As I said you have the IQ of a starfish

[thorny steeple]

so does bhrama god exist or not exist?

[turbid ivy]

The cause explains why it exists.

What caused big bang?

[neon sierra]

like if you take a gun and shot urself, YES i mean it wouldnt happen without his will bit that doesnt mean that is what he wants. this dunya is a test

[thorny steeple]

verse?

[thorny steeple]

idk

[neon sierra]

but it is your FREE WILL

that caused it

[thorny steeple]

i agree i have free will, but how do know its given by god?

[neon sierra]

Again, human actions, God sees, God knows, but it is your actions

[turbid ivy]

See science doesn't answer all question

[thorny steeple]

yup

[neon sierra]

when I say it wouldnt happen without gods will, it is just to explain that you are not divine

[spice bobcat]

Is that bad tho. He literally gave me the free will and punishes me for it later. What kinda troll is this

[turbid ivy]

In that case you have to use natural reasonings

[plain ruin]

I don't know, and I don't really care? I'm not trying to derive meaning in my life from what other people claim

[thorny steeple]

who was the cause?

[spice bobcat]

Didn't ask for it btw just was born

[turbid ivy]

?

[spice bobcat]

Individual responsibility I understand

[neon sierra]

are we conscious

[spice bobcat]

Spiritual is just a far-reach

[plain ruin]

Yup, entrance exams for a Master's Degree, and the property matters so that I can actually have the money to reduce my chores so that I can actually do my masters effectively, then I'll slowly start with chores over time

[thorny steeple]

same, thats what my position is which is idk if there a god, or is there not, until the sufficient evidence arrives im gonna withhold my belief on god

[thorny steeple]

yes i belive that i am concious

[neon sierra]

you got your own free will to either do good or bad, if you choose bad, then its ur fault

[spice bobcat]

Bro I wasn't even alive.

What kinda justification is that

[crystal kayak]

Lemme just least 2 the Quran says iron was sent down and modern science confirmed it that most iron on earth actually came from meteorites and the Stages of embryo development

[neon sierra]

but if you choose good you prove urself

you chose to be human.

[spice bobcat]

To myself at least

[thorny steeple]

is god all powerfull?

[neon sierra]

isnt that enough?

[spice bobcat]

I have it. This is just a hypothetical

I have no choice

[spice bobcat]

That is that's why I'm not thinking about god

[neon sierra]

i only throw trash in the bin, why do I do that? for other people, the planet? perhaps. But mostly I do it for myself. because I will feel better.

[crystal kayak]

23:12-14 hope you revert Soon

[neon sierra]

I feel responsible for the things im responsible, that comes from my own hands

[neon sierra]

it depends on religion to religion. in Islam, yes.

[crystal kayak]

Omg first of all do we agree it is correct

[thorny steeple]

btw that verse is a contridiction one says god made huamns from clay and one say god make humans from nothing

[neon sierra]

Jesus was not for example all powerfull

[spice bobcat]

If I had no choice in it. It was, if I chose then that's my responsibility

[neon sierra]

but yet according to christianity, he can be or is god

[thorny steeple]

can allah create a rock so heavy he couldnt lift?

[crystal kayak]

Can we agree the predictions were correct first of all

[plain ruin]

Even then, I don't think you should make claims about a religion/religious book without being holistic about it

And I find it annoying when atheists spend their time joining the religious debates myself
Why do you feel the need to prove/question people who don't want to question their belief?

[neon sierra]

good question

[thorny steeple]

i can

[spice bobcat]

Omnipotence paradox looking ahh

[plain ruin]

BSc in IT, specialization in Cybersecurity

[thorny steeple]

slavery is bible is highly immoral

[neon sierra]

I dont have the knowledge of whats the most powerfull, its beyond my thinking capacity

[thorny steeple]

thats the paradox which makes a god impossible to be omnipotence

[spice bobcat]

No, because as this is a hypothetical, I can the consciousness to use it well

[neon sierra]

@spice bobcat do you throw ur trash in the bin or just throw it around

[plain ruin]

I meant about your statement saying that "The Bible is all about Jesus"
There's lots of books that have nothing to do with Jesus

[spice bobcat]

In the bin because I'm a germaphobe

[neon sierra]

would you take 100k euros if u found it on the floor unwatched @spice bobcat

[spice bobcat]

I ain't taking it

[thorny steeple]

are you fucking kidding me

[spice bobcat]

Now you'll say it's impossible

[neon sierra]

are you sure?

motivate

[spice bobcat]

but that's my decision

[neon sierra]

i wont, because i wouldnt too

[spice bobcat]

Ye I ain't taking random money.

[neon sierra]

is it because you might get caught

[plain ruin]

Explain to me what the book of Jonah, one of the books in the Bible, has to do with Jesus?

[neon sierra]

its a lot of money tho

[spice bobcat]

Yes?? Because I don't want to consequence

[neon sierra]

if i ensured you that no one would catch you, would you take it then?

[crystal kayak]

The one is just a reminder that we once didn't exist at all soo

[spice bobcat]

that doesn't mean I had a choice in it

[thorny steeple]

so is allah all powerful?

[spice bobcat]

Nah I won't trust you at just "source trust me bro"

[thorny steeple]

so which one is true god created us from clay or from nothing?

[crystal kayak]

23:12-14 go read it and see it with your on eyes

[neon sierra]

ok lets say you could see the future of this action, and it is ensured that no one catches you, would you then take the money on the floor?

[spice bobcat]

Because you can't choose it just comes inbuilt how can you choose to live if you have no life ahh

[spice bobcat]

Yes. Because it's fine then and ik it

Who wouldn't

[neon sierra]

you have bad intentions in the first place

[spice bobcat]

Huh

[neon sierra]

I wouldnt

[spice bobcat]

😭

[spice bobcat]

That's good for you ig

[neon sierra]

your free will dragged you into taking money they doesnt belong to you

[crystal kayak]

We are created from clay that other one just a reminder that once we did not exists at all nothing means none existence before creation

[thorny steeple]

COWLLI YOU PIECE OF KEBAB

join the VC

[spice bobcat]

because it literally is fine to pick it up because nobody else owns it either

[neon sierra]

[spice bobcat]

If ik who owns I'd give it to them

[raven forge]

Join

[neon sierra]

u already exposed urself

[thorny steeple]

COWLII join and listen

I'm Agathin

[crystal kayak]

I am tired

[spice bobcat]

how's that your point

[thorny steeple]

scar is talking shit

[spice bobcat]

It's ok cowli

[neon sierra]

i dont join vcs and i am not in appropriate place right now

[thorny steeple]

I'm JK

[magic olive]

sleep

[neon sierra]

its not, not even morally correct

[spice bobcat]

Ty I will commit mass genocide because it can't be bad anymore

[neon sierra]

i would even question myself to donate the money

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/kaan-turkish-gif-17821339729161535224

[spice bobcat]

Ok cowli now you're just tryna say smth to say smth

😭

[plain ruin]

This is a Christian claim, not a fact
In reality, I'm telling you as an ex-christian that this statement is not true

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/turkish-man-gif-14733745593859528159

[neon sierra]

….

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-18261463

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/man-standing-gif-20655812

[neon sierra]

i am not turkish….

[thorny steeple]

idc

is jesus true?

[raven forge]

Are you lost babygurl?

[spice bobcat]

No I'm just leaving

[neon sierra]

someone obviously owns it cmon

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/onizuka-money-gif-21627840

[crystal kayak]

Really? If it used those words people back in the day would have not understood it

[spice bobcat]

Then I'm not taking it

[thorny steeple]

do you have any evidence of god?

[spice bobcat]

Sure if that makes you happy.

[neon sierra]

but dw ur not to be blamed entirely, the devil affects us and our choices

[spice bobcat]

I'm happy that you're satiated

[neon sierra]

by repenting, God forgives

[thorny steeple]

aww

[crystal kayak]

Can you read

[plain ruin]

this makes no sense because all 3 of these verses are written before the final books of the bible were written

[raven forge]

Hast thou perchance lost thy path, fair maiden, and wanderest now in bewilderment, as a gentle lamb astray from its fold, needing a steadfast hand to guide thee home.

[thorny steeple]

is jesus god?

[coral belfry]

Masha!

[thorny steeple]

is allah god?

[crystal kayak]

Omg I thought you are sensible how can people from the 7th understand the terminologies that we are using now I am disappointed in you

[crystal kayak]

Answer my question

[plain ruin]

Yeah exactly, my point is that I don't believe in christian theology, Christians have constantly twisted the meanings of their verses to their own will, for both good and bad reasons, some people went as far as using the Bible to justify racial discrimination

[crystal kayak]

Can you read @thorny steeple

[spice bobcat]

I mean that's a pretty neutral statement considering it's just text

[plain ruin]

No. I already told you, I don't believe in any God. Learn to read.

[thorny steeple]

same i dont believe jesus is either a god

[thorny steeple]

same

im atheist too

[crystal kayak]

@tiny apex I am disappointed in this people bro

[thorny steeple]

it was time waste for me

[plain ruin]

Yes, so don't use christian claims such as "The Bible is ONLY about Jesus"

[thorny steeple]

it is

[plain ruin]

Christian claims have no relevance, because they can't prove it

[thorny steeple]

do you have any evidence Christianity isnt about jesus

[spice bobcat]

Twin what about the old testament

[thorny steeple]

old testament is about jesus as god

[plain ruin]

Christianity is about Jesus, I said that the Bible is not ONLY about Jesus

[plain ruin]

What😭😭😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

i could have wasted it on youtube

[spice bobcat]

Enough serious chat today

[thorny steeple]

atleast i would have been happy

[spice bobcat]

Shawn in the name of nobu yobu please get out

[thorny steeple]

i thought i was gonna get the evidence of god today

sadly it didnt

[plain ruin]

The Old Testament is Jewish theology, they use the Old Testament as proof that Jesus cannot be God or the Messiah😭
Only Christians claim that "Jesus is in the Old Testament"

[thorny steeple]

do you have any evidence old and new testa isnt about jesus?

[spice bobcat]

Uhm the fact that half or most of it is jewish

[spice bobcat]

Chatgpt, how rich.

[thorny steeple]

literally what gpt says

[spice bobcat]

Read it again.

[thorny steeple]

this is beyong stupid

[neon sierra]

im jew as well

[thorny steeple]

you wish

[neon sierra]

but i converted to islam

[plain ruin]

In the gospels he makes certain references and does certain actions that are interpreted as what can only be done by God, there's John 1:1 which poetically says it

[thorny steeple]

"i cant use internet for souces"

[plain ruin]

Did you even bother to read?

[thorny steeple]

ahh

[crystal kayak]

When the teacher teaches a 3yr old kid they don't teach the complext university level equation they use simple shapes and numbers to teach them same with the Quran it gave a simple description where a 7th century man can understand

You comparing us to 7th century people really

[thorny steeple]

this aint a academic debate either

[spice bobcat]

OY VEY

Mazel tov

[thorny steeple]

these guys dont even know what they are defendin

[spice bobcat]

Bro

[thorny steeple]

when ask for evidence all i get is assertions

[crystal kayak]

I can't

[plain ruin]

Probably not, from my knowledge, the gospels were written way after, a lot of Christian theology started even further after the books were written, where the Nicean Council filtered various books to use and not use

[crystal kayak]

Ok thank you

[thorny steeple]

idk why a god needs prophets to convey their messages

[neon sierra]

:)

[thorny steeple]

cant they come to earth to convey it themselves instead

[neon sierra]

i am not a jew @spice bobcat

[plain ruin]

It became an academic debate the moment you made an academic claim; that the bible is about Jesus
Your own ChatGPT answer says that the old testament is not about Jesus

[neon sierra]

but ty

[plain ruin]

If you're making a claim, it's important to know what you're claiming, especially if you claim that you're searching for the truth.@thorny steeple
That's my whole point about arguing with you about the bible. You should make a claim after you've done the research

[thorny steeple]

it literally says to kill the disbeliever

if he existed

https://tenor.com/view/man-standing-gif-20655812

there could be guy named jesus

who was named jesus

i doubt if he was god

[crystal kayak]

all the other medical theorie were wrong at that time about embryology meaning the doctors of those time couldn't grasp embryology what about a commoner the Quran made it simple as to not confuse the people

[thorny steeple]

i try to believe in as many true things, and as least false things as i can

[plain ruin]

Not entirely random because of passing down, but yeah
By definition, its a collection of books, some historical in nature, some doctrinal, then there's prophecies, then there's the gospels and epistles and final prophecies

There are some books where people are sure about the authors such as most of Genesis and Exodus being attributed to Moses, there are some where they aren't sure of the author and gave them a name, there are some which come through traditional passing down, it's highly varied

[thorny steeple]

after the jesus died supposedly

bible was written after 50 years

in whose 50 years

it was all word of mouth

im skeptical if anyone of them remembered bible word to word

and also we cant know the acuracy of bible

we dont have the originals

[plain ruin]

The understanding is that Christians connect various prophecies from the old testament, such as "The Messiah will be rejected by his own people", "The Messiah will be a descendant of David" (Joseph and Mary are both descendants of King David), etc. etc. to make the claim that he's the Messiah

[tiny apex]

what are they on now

[thorny steeple]

wass up

[tiny apex]

Hey floptropica queen

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/man-standing-gif-20655812

me

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/jiafei-slay-floptropica-diosa-god-gif-5717984381162649157

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ahanfugirl-chinese-tiktok-4best-friends-gif-26402235

[crystal kayak]

I didn't say they were stupid I said if the the doctors at those time found it hard to grasp the concept what about the commoners in the 7th century and it is to make it simple for people to grasp quicker

[thorny steeple]

classy

[plain ruin]

The Islamic God is more aligned with the old testament version of God, so I don't think that has any relevance
Especially when you consider that the old testament god is nowadays thought to be a part of a family of the local canaanite gods

[thorny steeple]

lmao people believe in fairy tale books as truth

i dont believe in jesus same way i dont believe in bigfoot

[plain ruin]

But Jesus would've been born a few centuries before Muhammad for sure, nonetheless, the Muslims see Jesus as a valid prophet but also criticize Christians for "turning a man into a God"

At the same time, they do accept Christians along with Jews as believing in the same God as well

[crystal kayak]

One can't read and understand the other at first was decent but started yapping about how the Quran didn't you modern terminologies to explain embryology to the 7th century people I am done

[thorny steeple]

i doubt they even did

also how does that prove allah

[plain ruin]

If you're being entirely neutral, yes
Except the Christian concept of God isn't said to be completely wrong in Islam
And at the same time, Judaism rejects both other religions

[manic juniper]

It's the Jewish and most Christian interpretations of god

[plain ruin]

The main factors are that modern Judaism doesn't interpret Jesus as the Messiah, nor as God
Christians accept Jesus as the Messiah and God, and say that he fulfills the scriptures
Islam accepts Jesus as the Messiah for the Jews, and also has roots from the other side of Abraham's sons (The Jewish race comes from Isaac, while the other races that became arabs, descended from Ishmael)
But they also claim that Christians are wrong to worship Jesus as God

They're all interpretations

[crystal kayak]

The greatest mind of those eras couldn't understand embryology so imagine the Quran comes with this modern weird terminologies why not make it simple for people to understand plus be true to yourself you see the sign now revert

[crystal kayak]

So you ghost my questions and expect me to answer yours

@abstract night are you atheist

[plain ruin]

They're part of a branch, not even roots, the real roots of all the religions are way more complicated when you look into the flood myth and how the Gods in the region at the time were

[crystal kayak]

Christian

[manic juniper]

It is copied from Thales of Pergamon, and it's even more wrong to a degree

They did in fact understand it, centuries earlier, and even better

[crystal kayak]

Do you know Aristotle

[plain ruin]

Ultimately that's what it is, you can read on the epic of gilgamesh and the canaanite gods and whatnot, some of the words used to refer to God in the Bible even came directly from the name of "El", a canaanite God, in Judaism, they say "Elohim" to refer to the concept of a God (Not Yahweh himself), the word "Allah" also has the same root

[tiny apex]

Just don’t try lmao 😭 all the worlds idiots happen to congregate here

[crystal kayak]

Do you accept that Aristotle was one of the smartest men at his time

[crystal kayak]

One more explanation and I am done with him

[manic juniper]

It mentioned bones forming before the flesh when their outline forms in cartilage before it's replaced by bones (alongside the flesh covering them)

This is the same mistake Jews made with embryology btw

[crystal kayak]

Was that my question

[plain ruin]

At the end of the day, no matter what you believe it's just not worth questioning validity of religions
Just be a good person, do good to others, don't do anything that you don't anyone to do to you
That's pretty simple

[crystal kayak]

I asked you if Aristotle was the one if the smartest men at his time

[manic juniper]

It lacks a lot of info as well but this wasn't really their fault, people back then couldn't know that the semen itself has no direct involvement, it's the sperm cells and the egg cells (the latter of which they didn't even mention or know of)

They didn't have microscopes

I guess that's a result of mixing "science" with the beliefs they held back then, since science didn't really exist

[crystal kayak]

Please do your research stop believing random people on discord