🧠｜serious-chat

[dreamy heron]

Doesn’t matter... Ha**as is like island in a sea...if it’s disappear from map same group will rise from another country with other tittles..

[feral river]

also it was super terrible for Ukraine after they got independence because their industry was highly dependent on USSR planned economy

till now you don't hear there was a thing called "Ukrainian industry"

what a difference dude

[blissful hinge]

True by erasing them u just making new hamas members

[feral river]

and ofc they don't want to admit that shit but that's the truth even if you go statistics and history documents

lmfao

[high raven]

Their industries were working well due to Stalin's forced collectivization, the one that led to the Holodomor famine. Also I'm not sure by which standard you're measuring social security and housing to be good by, housing and social security were guaranteed during Soviet rule yes, but often overcrowded, poorly maintained, and of subpar quality

[turbid dome]

The USSR dissolving was crazy for everyone involved, life expectancy plummeted

[feral river]

but they have that shit after they go independence they don't have it anymore for a while by some obvious reason

[feral river]

yeah because their economy was built based on soviet system ofc that would happen

[dreamy heron]

Just imagine...ur youngg...ur whole family or any family member who's got murdered by is**eal.. When u grow up or understand everything you Won't want to take avenge?nd that's how things going and going from past century...

[feral river]

I'm on the basic standard of evaluting its power projection and wealth of a state

if you want to talk about people I would say an empty state with a bunch of people worth nothing

when they generate stuff, having productivity, then they got some value

even under anarchism of the empty nature people would loot some animals to feed themselves

[high raven]

Power projection is a good point, wouldn't it then be 🇺🇦>🇷🇺 since the Ukrainians have them bogged down? Pretty embarrassing for a "super power" to struggle this hard against " an empty state with a bunch of people worth nothing"

[turbid dome]

Russia is just a regional power in east Europe/Central Asia

[blissful hinge]

Israel is winning the war but they destroying themselves slowly day after day
Their move in gaza its just so stupid

[feral river]

based on the current state of the both's performance and endurance of the war, Russia is on the higher ground

the occupation zone that Russia annexed are all high industry related region

especially Eastern Ukraine that is already under Russian control, having a lot resources that Russia already sold this to other countries especially to China and India

the export of coal skyrocketed after they annexed those region

but Ukraine ? their economy is clapped, they don't have such self-reliance durability

[dreamy heron]

They just turn on light for peoples to see Their cruelty

[blissful hinge]

I don't even think US will keep up with them in the future

No country wants its name to be affiliated with Israel these days

[feral river]

also Russia doesn't have that much power projection as you expected, Russia has a high-income economy but with a very low GDP contribution that was totally reliant on their resource industry

[high raven]

How are they on the upper hand while having significantly higher losses while making WW1 trench warfare advancements? Also, weren't the Russians more or less forced to export that coal for cheap given how they're under heavy sanctions and nearing a full recession? Their economy isn't making much better than that of a country at war, they're under heavy sanctions

[dreamy heron]

If whole Middle East do something to stop their genocide then US will stop their Aid or any help in future... U know Us is helping them since after they won 6days arab war.. But now if they will win Us will go back to kenedi era..

[feral river]

first of all, they are already under heavy sanctions before the war that happened

the further sanction against Russia did cause some chaos but that was settled very swiftly almost in 3 months they either choose to nationalize western businesses in the Russia, and build their own businesses around these fields

don't think you cut off them from accessing certain stuff that they aren't be able to make them by themselves, it's totally nah

and sanctions can never kill a state

[turbid dome]

They’re just that much bigger than Ukraine at the end of the day. Russia will win unless Ukraine meets Russias harsh terms and Russia knows that. It may take time but support for Ukraine is on the decline with countries like the US peeling away.

[high raven]

The previous sanctions were nowhere near as harsh as the current ones

https://apnews.com/article/russia-economy-recession-ukraine-conflict-9d105fd1ac8c28908839b01f7d300ebd

[feral river]

bascially this sanction was even more funny because the biggest trade partner of Russia still trading with them by more large numbers

[feral river]

I would say even a recession would happen in Russia, that will not affect too much on their economy

basically "I'm on the low ground on the pyrimad of the economy and I can't go any lower"

that's the Russian economy bro

[dreamy heron]

True...but some European trying to hold their relations with is**real but as you can see whole world protesting they aren’t the same as they were before...

[high raven]

Oh yes, Ukraine will definitely run out of manpower eventually, it's just odd to frame it as an upper hand when you're crippling your nations economy to keep hold of, how much is it, 20% of Ukraines land?

[feral river]

the biggest sector of their economy was resources, heavy industry, tech, and services

[turbid dome]

Something like that. And I mean, in terms of the war it is still the upper hand, though the war has definitely weakened Russia

[feral river]

well Russian economy isn't crippling, their GDP even grow some percent after the war happened

it didn't

it simply didn't

the first line is the forecast of 2025

[bronze pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tongue-cat-smiling-gif-11949735780193730026

[thorny steeple]

You wake up inside a high-tech laboratory. There's a fire rapidly spreading, and you can only save one being from two sealed containment pods before the whole place burns down.
In Pod A, there's a human child unconscious but otherwise unharmed.
In Pod B, there's five highly intelligent chimpanzees who have been trained in sign language, demonstrate advanced emotions, and show deep interpersonal bonds with each other. You have only one key, and you can open just one pod.

[feral river]

they are full on war economy and it seems working very well

[high raven]

That bump was only due to war-related spending, cheap oil exports to China and India, and state subsidies, if their economy wasn't crippling, their minister of economy wouldn't say what he said in the article. The Chinese and Indians are smart for forcing them to sell cheap, Russia has no other choice but to

[feral river]

but the amount skyrocketed, some even trippled

to run the economy you need the number first, second was the profit

without the number you will not have economy dude

don't think a state would be destroyed by isolation, they will not

even Russians are not facing the threat of being isolated

[high raven]

That's how a war-driven economy works, they show short-term growth, but it always leads to long-term stagnation, instability, and decline, unless the conflict ends and investment returns, why would anyone invest in Russia after this, knowing full well that it might be lost in another future aggression?

[feral river]

they don't invest in Russia before the war lmao

their domestic environment for foreign business owners is super harsh even after the USSR dissolved

what you can expect from oligarchy ruled resources dominant economy

but they don't need that they have their capability to build their own industry, Soviet Union was a superpower that holds very much high technology capabilities

and they build a lot especially you know how Russian hacker is stealing your steam account

[olive herald]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-social-credit-system-chinese-social-credit-china-social-credit-good-samaritan-gif-9280582013459580011

[feral river]

if you are known about how Russian economy works, then you will say the same conclusion as what I'm saying

[high raven]

They did though, BP, Shell and Exxon had majority shares and projects in Russia, many foreign automotive brands had factories in Russia, Western tech & retail companies operated widely in Russia. If those investments don't return after the fact, how will Russia be able to sustain itself? By underselling coal, oil and minerals to China and India? There's barely any profit in that to survive a recession

[feral river]

I'm not pro-Russian for something but I can tell you they do have their cards to play the war

[feral river]

even mcdonalds could be nationalized, why can't railways ?

can they retrieve every part of the railways if they leave Russia ?

they can't, all they can do is leave it to Russians, and they will run this business

Russian do know how to run a railway business

also the cars, retails

I don't think you would say there's no 7/11 so Russians can't have their own

and because you are leaving this market, you created such profit margin to the Russian owners, and they do have the desire to acquire it and run it by their own

you leave a market but what you can't take away is their demand

there's the demand, there's the market, there's the profit, there's the business

there's no such state can't survive without foreigners

[high raven]

I do, but we're not coming to the same conclusion, once wartime spending peaks, it will be followed by economic contraction, driven by declining TFP, collapsing private investment, and capital flight, the nationalization you speak of will only worsen it by lowering allocative efficiency and deterring future investment under heightened risk premiums, unless India and China starts investing and paying "normal" prices for Russian goods, I don't see a way the Russian economy could grow stronger after this, unless EU and the US completely forgets about the conflict and goes back to investing and trading

[feral river]

especially, the biggest state that controls most of the valuable territory, Russia

[feral river]

well no, war economy is still part of the business

war economy is not pure spending without return, actually it do have returns, even more than doing drug businesses 💀

war economy is not you spend money out of nowhere and waiting your storage go empty, it stimulate your local businesses, boost your consumption, and do making very large amount of profit if you win some territory

as far as I know the territory they already conquered could generate the profit to feed their military for a very while

Eastern Ukraine was the center of the heavy industry with resources

if it's like what you are saying the war is collapsing the country, then nobody goes war anymore

[turbid dome]

They’ll “forget” about the conflict, businesses only care about short term profit motives, and it’s in the EU’s interest to have the option of Russian gas open so they can demand lower prices from the US.

[feral river]

do you think that's true ?

actually even in my country, if you pull out a timeline to differentiate the war time and the peace time you will see war time was around 70% of the total lifetime of my country

peace is very brief in terms of the lifetime of human history

and in this war I didn't really see how Russians is going to pay a lot besides got killed by their opposite forces that would also be settled by their government

but Ukrainians are fighting with everything they have

[high raven]

I get what you’re saying, but even if war gives a short boost like you just said, it usually wrecks the economy over time. That’s why most countries avoid going to war unless they really have no other option, because the downsides of it tend to be way bigger than any gains. There's several countries with an ongoing conflict, does any of them have an improving economy?

[feral river]

well that was right but you didn't get what I'm saying, because it do wrech the economy, the economy of both

the economy of the Russia, and the Ukraine

I still don't see how an economically ant is able to fight an economically cat

[high raven]

We're not in medieval ages, war-driven gains and seized territories will provide short-term resources, but they’re costly to hold and unstable

[feral river]

how's that resources short-term ?

you can say looting their city is very short-term but resources no

as long as there's the profit, you don't have to worry the guy who's gonna take it

same logic on occupation zones, even there's no clear difference between the occupation zone and their own state

[high raven]

They're short-term since Russia is selling them off for cheap instead of at normal prices with enough profit to be able to invest back

[feral river]

even in occupation zone the majority of people are Russians

[turbid dome]

In the medieval ages it was actually more ineffective than today.

[feral river]

hummm no ? I don't know why would you always ignore their own domestic sector

you are thinking like if they don't sell it then they will die

[manic juniper]

They just speak Russian

[feral river]

no 😭 that's not true

also they are selling the standard energy price in the global trading

you can check that

[feral river]

even they don't speak anything we can use them to generate profit

that doesn't disturb anything

[high raven]

I’m not ignoring their domestic sector, I already said it’s under pressure too. Without foreign investment, tech, or access to key markets, even domestic industries will struggle to stay competitive. Selling cheap resources stolen from Ukranian land might keep things running for now, but it’s not enough to fuel real, long-term growth and save them from a recession

[manic juniper]

Most of it is destroyed, and Russia isn't rebuilding much

[feral river]

the Soviet system teach us a lesson is they can run it by monopoly

[manic juniper]

Placing a wooden panel over a destroyed wall doesn't count as restoration

[feral river]

and they do in Russian Federation

[turbid dome]

Yeah pretty much, it’s a hybrid between the two cultures with a ton of Russian speakers.

[high raven]

I work in the petroleum and natural gas sector, this is far, far from true

[turbid dome]

Norway moment

[manic juniper]

It's not an hybrid, it's just like Irish people, most speak English

[feral river]

really you can enlight me a little bit about it

[high raven]

Be olive-oil Arab
Still end up working with crude-oil

[feral river]

im gonna see it tomorrow here's 5AM

[lime finch]

Are you from Irish?

[manic juniper]

Even in Kursk they spoke Ukrainian something like 100 years ago

[restive zodiac]

UKRAINE has nothing of resources that can make any deference to Russia, Russian has a decent amount of resources, the real problem is with accessing international markets and exporting those resources

[manic juniper]

No

[manic juniper]

Ukraine is a huge country, it has many resources

[turbid dome]

Russia’s Russification campaigns certainly made it a hybrid culture, it’s mostly Ukrainian but distinct in some ways

[restive zodiac]

Yes, that's the point.

[turbid dome]

There’s a reason that it was super pro Russian politically compared to the rest of Ukraine prior to the invasion radicalizing many against Russia.

[manic juniper]

No you said the opposite

[restive zodiac]

How so ?

[manic juniper]

It wasn't pro Russian, it was just favourable or friendly to it

They had more positive views of Russia rather than being hostile to them

[dusty robin]

Fuck Communism

[high raven]

Urals crude is trading at 67.22 USD/Bbl right now, Brent crude with the G7 price cap trades at 80. Most of their pipeline gas exports are stalled and the LNG exports are severely hindered by sanctions

[turbid dome]

That’s what pro Russian means, I’m not talking about annexation

[high raven]

They have no choice whatsoever but to sell cheap, hence why India made the smart choice and kept buying

[manic juniper]

The Pro-Russian guy from there got absolutely lynched when he lied about his policies

[restive zodiac]

I said Russia doesn't need Any Ukrainian resources, bcz Russia alr has plenty of deffrent resources

[turbid dome]

Also true

[high raven]

You're right, and they'll have even more as eastern Siberia becomes more accessible due to global warming, the issue is more so foreign investment and the isolation they're facing

[manic juniper]

They just suck at producing, and they always did

They were bad at it when it was the USSR and it's even worse now

Can you imagine being the largest country in the world, as large as all of North Africa and still being closer to Italy in GDP

[restive zodiac]

Agreed!

[turbid dome]

I’m sure killing young men who could help change that in a war will solve the issue

Luckily they’ve got a new method, an anti-woke visa which allows Americans who hate woke American culture to move to Russia 💀

[high raven]

We should invade them and liberate Vyborg

[turbid dome]

Make all of Russia vyborgian

[native gull]

Oh 💀

[turbid dome]

Vyborg will be greater than Finland

[manic juniper]

17k "Estonians" recently moved there en masse

[turbid dome]

Classic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/07/06/russia-woke-visa-family-values-hares/

[fair storm]

What is going on

[turbid dome]

Real

[fair storm]

I am from Russia

[fresh flower]

Wyd on discord go to the front lines bro

[fair storm]

https://youtu.be/Kj6_pLA5txw?si=leIgvtYYtUTUpmoH

[fair storm]

Cringe

[coral belfry]

the only real commies i know were , linen , Marx , and "shia Qarmatians " and some primitive tribes
you mean "some kind" socialism right?

[fair storm]

You are cringe bro

[fresh flower]

😭😭😭

[fair storm]

Cry baby

[coral belfry]

why wouldn't it be safe?

[fair storm]

I just send the movie

[manic juniper]

Because they put gays in concentration camps

[fresh flower]

Too many gopniks trying to steal your csgo case keys

[coral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-confusion-gif-10824788

[fair storm]

Where located are concentration camps in Russia?

Very interesting

[manic juniper]

Chechnya

[fresh flower]

Shit tier content, they do videos like these too where they film "A day in a Swedish ghetto" and act like it's a warzone where they'll lose their life

[coral belfry]

true

[fair storm]

Cause you are a hater

[manic juniper]

How

[fair storm]

Everything will be trash for you

Haven’t critical thinking

[feral river]

You can go to Kiev to experience local Russian culture

Also it was gonna be part of the true Russian state

[manic juniper]

You mean dead vatniks

[coral belfry]

no he ment that some people post videos claiming that the place isnt safe when it is really safe

[fair storm]

Bro I didn’t tell anything about Ukraine

Wake up

Dogs

[coral belfry]

calm down they are just ragebaiting you

[fair storm]

I just say that I am from Russia and you started tell me about front and other

[fresh flower]

Pink roles should be banned from this channel

[fair storm]

What is wrong with you?

[fresh flower]

No reading comprehension

[fair storm]

I know that

I understood him

His country is a nato member

[manic juniper]

[fair storm]

Ofc he will be hate russia

[manic juniper]

I hated Russia before my country joined NATO, am I eligible for a prize or not

[fair storm]

Ok

Do it

Nvm for me

[manic juniper]

Do deez?

[high raven]

Hippo do you live in Russia? Whereabouts if you don't mind me asking?

[coral belfry]

i think it is because of this

[manic juniper]

No that's Finnish, he is Swedish

[fair storm]

I don’t know anything about it

[fair storm]

Kazan

[coral belfry]

okey

[manic juniper]

Hating Russia for past events isn't even needed

[high raven]

I had to google it, beautiful city

[fair storm]

I’m glad to hear that

[fresh flower]

I know some chill Russians

[fresh flower]

I'd say the same to a Ukranian

[fair storm]

Well, i need to go

[fresh flower]

It was obviously a joke bro 😭

[fair storm]

Ok

[fresh flower]

😭😭😭

[high raven]

Very, very serious chat

[thorny steeple]

Special when Chinese man come

[blissful hinge]

The Minecraft guy

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[median temple]

please someone write big para so I can reply 'LOL'

[blissful hinge]

Why it is so reall 😭😭

[thorny steeple]

My internet is down

[thorny steeple]

I can't download it

Adlo watching

[coral belfry]

the video just says "abandon reason , know only war"

[thorny steeple]

Send it again

[coral belfry]

ok

[raven solstice]

i wonder what goes on in this chat

[fresh flower]

Mostly political/religious debates (For fun)

It's dead rn though because the 10 usual people who actually use this channel aren't active

[manic juniper]

Must restore 𓆎 𓅓 𓏏𓊖

[manic juniper]

Once seated at his chamber, the male end of the cathodrone would interface with the female connector on the bottom of his seat, and a 180 degree turn of the seat would lock both connectors and open the suction valve, evacuating the waste into the vacuum of space. This process can be seen in the meditation chamber scene of Empire Strikes Back. It is a testament to Vader's superb ability at multitasking. He dropped a deuce and received a status update from one of his admirals without so much as batting an artificial eye.

[median temple]

lol

[raven solstice]

ooh okay tyty
i was curious because this chat has slowmode activated

[fresh flower]

It's only 5 seconds

I think it should be longer

[sage snow]

which country has the best hackers

[lime finch]

hackers?

[lime finch]

Are you a software engineer?

[fresh flower]

Israel

[lime finch]

Are you sure?

Are you from Israel?

[fresh flower]

Anyone saying Russia or China has no idea what they're talking about, only one rivalling Israel's capabilities are the US

[fresh flower]

Sweden

[lime finch]

Oh, it's very peaceful country.

[lime finch]

Are you a developer?

[fresh flower]

No🙏🏻

[lime finch]

How did you know then?

[sage snow]

woah

[quaint dune]

I am

[sage snow]

what do u think

which country has the best hackers

[quaint dune]

Russian ofc

🤣🤣🤣

[lime finch]

Hi

[lime finch]

Are you from Russia?

[fresh flower]

The Russians do nothing besides cybercrimes, the Chinese only commit state sponsored intellectual property theft, the US with their NSA just spy on their allies. The only one widely known for offensive and defensive hacking is unit 8200 in Israel, the rest are roleplaying as Mr. Robot

[quaint dune]

Nope

[quaint dune]

I would say USA or Russian bro

Wbu?

[lime finch]

I also think so.

[quaint dune]

Israel maybe is a good one but idk

[fresh flower]

If targetting grannies and IKEA for schematics is hacking then sure, Russia or China

[turbid dome]

Hi

[lime finch]

You look like a native speaker.

[turbid dome]

Who knows which state has the best hackers, maybe they’re so good they’ve never been caught.

In all seriousness the US

[turbid dome]

I am

[lime finch]

I'm a software engineer.

[turbid dome]

Cool

[lime finch]

I can hack you.

[turbid dome]

Doubt

[lime finch]

🤣

[quaint dune]

LMAO

[sage snow]

idk but I think its pakistan because the professor chose a pakistani hacker in the series Money Heist

[quaint dune]

Cook him

[quaint dune]

Nice opinion btw

[lime finch]

I want to practise my english.

Who can help me?

[fresh flower]

Bro said Pakistan

[lime finch]

Want to speak...

[quaint dune]

🤣🤣🤣

[quaint dune]

Let him think that please

[fresh flower]

Those aren't the ones redeeming bro😭😭😭

[quaint dune]

Which city do u live in Sweden?

[fresh flower]

Nära Stockholm 💔🥀

[quaint dune]

😭

[lime finch]

Are you a developer?

[lime finch]

Why are you crying?

[quaint dune]

I am

[quaint dune]

Jk bruh

[red crow]

does serious-chat allow jokes? 😂

[shy summit]

Only if it’s good or you get shamed.

[ionic merlin]

morning.
anyone fancies a trip to flat-earth chat? i m going to see if they can answer questions

[red crow]

😬

about where the water goes at the end of the earth?

[ionic merlin]

well, easier that that.
yesterday some of them were claiming that antarctica is acutally an ice wall that keeps the water from spilling out.....

lol
i wonder how they feel about global warming....

imagine the wall mets hey!

[red crow]

awww

they should be concerned right? XD

would create desert instead of oceans

[ionic merlin]

but the other thing i am thinkin is how insanely famous one would become if one could sail to the edge of the earth.

[red crow]

and never come back? 🤔

[ionic merlin]

i maen can you iagine?

[ionic merlin]

no, just to become insanely famous and prove their theory.
but i wonder how they feel about the fact they use computers and other electronic gadgets but they pretend we cant go to the edge of the earth cause it's too far....

[red crow]

lol

tbh, I always thought them to be trolls...

[ionic merlin]

you guys fancy a little venture in their VC?
gang up on them?

[red crow]

gonna pass, I have better things to do lol

[ionic merlin]

yesterday their number one argument was "we just don't know yet. science hasnt answered this -or that- question"
then in the same conversation , guy asks which theory of gravity it is we wish to base our argument on....

[ionic merlin]

it's entrtaining!

[red crow]

yeah the circular arguments are pretty lame

hurts my head

and my feelings too ig

also it seems arguing with kids most of the time on this discord lol

maybe i'm unlucky, but yeah...

[ionic merlin]

baby goats here? i mean , coe the guys here can actually type so they must be human.

[ionic merlin]

FLAT EARTH RULES
1- interrupt
2- try and confuse
3- answer "we just dont know"
4- claim newtonian and einsteinian theories of gravity are different (this one is cool)
5- ignore questions
6- mute button when really they see they are being outsmarted
7- claim you asked a question you didnt actually ask.
8- claim your knowledge is mere belief and their knowledge is hard truth (rather subjective...)
9- narrow picture angle so as to make curvature imperceptible and claim it therefore doesnt exist.
10- refuse to agree on terminology so as to make debate impossible.

anyone well versed in discord?
i d like to create a second flat earth channel (would need to be placed right above or below their own) so as to take the debate control from them

[turbid dome]

11- fundamentally misunderstand basic science

[ionic merlin]

hi martinii. all good today?

[turbid dome]

I’m doing alright

[ionic merlin]

no, you need to reword that
11- disagree with and mis-interpret basic science

maybe not qtuie that either...

[turbid dome]

12- the moon landing is staged

[ionic merlin]

man, yes, not just this one. anything space related is CGI or staged

and any picture that shows any sort of curvature is an effect of the lens....

[formal pilot]

I disagree

[ionic merlin]

hmmm
you win!

[formal pilot]

I'd like to thank my parents, dyno bot and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

[ionic merlin]

your debating skills will be rewarded with an official certificate delivered by the flat earth debate society
(time and place to be informed upon when science allows)

[turbid dome]

Is your dad Tito 😂

[formal pilot]

Does tito have ancestral properties since the 17th century?

[turbid dome]

Not that I’m aware of

[formal pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1211329848874762281.gif

[ionic merlin]

wait people, i am writing a "transcript", you are going to love it.

Here-below, a transcript of the final of the last debate competition organized by the Flat-Earth Debate Society of Britain

Note that the debate took place under controlled atmosphere so as to avoid cheating, the judging panel consisted exclusively of carefully selected, fully impartial members of the Flat Earth Society of Britain.
Strict rules applied to both finalists who were blindfolded before being shot and thrown to lions as soon as the debate was over to avoid controversial post-debate comments.
For political reasons unknown to science, the two finalists will only be referred to as @clear elk (distinguished member of the Flat Earth Society of Britain, professor emeritus in dightenania)
and My Dog.
First speaker was designated by a coin toss but due to the need for impartiality, gravity took a break and the coin floated freely in the air so My Dog won the toss.

My Dog: I can bark.
@Jinbcr1: I disagree.
My Dog: hmmm… you win.

@clear elk’s debating skills will be rewarded with an official certificate delivered by the Flat Earth Debate Society
(time and place to be informed upon when science allows)

[oblique juniper]

In the USA, how do they persuade South Americans?

[ionic merlin]

persuade hem of what?

that there is a north and south?

[oblique juniper]

from the continent

South American immigrants

[ionic merlin]

persuade them of what?

"persuade" means "to make someone agree to someothing", so you need to tell us what the somethig is.

[oblique juniper]

ohh ok

Simple illegal immigrants from Latin America

[ionic merlin]

or do you mean "perceive"? (que quieres decir？ cual es la percepcion que los cidadenos de los E.U. tienen do otros americanos como sur-americanos?)

[oblique juniper]

yes

[ionic merlin]

well, the mordern U.S. citizen believes he/she/they are different and superior to everyone else.
they see most other americans (not to confuse with U.S. citizens) as poor people in search of wealth.
U.S. citizens like to forget that most of them descend from europeans who themselves came to the americas in search of wealth and freedom AND they appropriated land that was not theirs.

[sharp creek]

do you think living in the west much better than in asia

my friends suggest see the true life clearly, living in the west is not that good

[upbeat wagon]

@modest cedar they are just trying to dodge. They will never defend the FE.

[ionic merlin]

not really. there is good and bad everywhere i suppose.
yes, your friend is right. i went to france last year and i was shocked by the poverty.
but it all depends on what your perspective is.

[upbeat wagon]

@modest cedar ask them how much of the earth is water - not how much we (globers) say it is. Ask them what they know.

[sharp creek]

i know that , just wondering the common situations

[ionic merlin]

i am not sure. altogether quality of life is what you can afford. affordability is clearly higher in asia for logistical and tax reasons.

[sharp creek]

actually i feel the opposite , if you can afford it , you should move to asia, they treat you like a god

[sharp creek]

what about the us

[thick pulsar]

Well, only if you have a us salary or equivalent lol

[ionic merlin]

common situation is fairly similar, there is excessive racism and discrimination on both sides.
l

[sharp creek]

if you went to a village in asia with 20k dollars , hahahaha can you image that, you could have 10 wifes there

[thick pulsar]

If you have money im still willing to die on the hill that the US is the best place in the world to live in

You have no idea the type of connections you can make and the startups/ businesses you can invest and get into once you reach a certain level of social status/ money

[ionic merlin]

i havent been to the U.S. for about 25 years so i am not sure my opinion qualifies as objective but i would say the simple fact that white U.S. citizens believe the land is rightfully theirs goes to show how bad they are.

[sharp creek]

a city that is both poor and safe, have adequate medical resources, its heaven

hahaha thats my dream

[thick pulsar]

Huh, wdym? I mean, it is American land in the modern day. You ask any patriot that and that’s what they would say..

[sharp creek]

what do you mean 'die on the hill', its not safe there?

[thick pulsar]

Nono like, it’s a figure of speech

Its a figure of speech that indicates something that you believe strongly and probably won’t be convinced otherwise of

[sharp creek]

i see

like 'absolutely' ?

but, if i went there, i would worry about the security issues

black dislikes yellow guys, would they bully the tourists

[thick pulsar]

I mean, idk. I think it’s normal. You just visit it and its like any other place on earth lol.

[sharp creek]

i doubt it

[thick pulsar]

To this day, I still never have felt a better “center of the world” feeling than when I was in New York City

Dream place to be

[upbeat wagon]

@modest cedar good on you for bringing it up - notice how they completely ignored your point.

[rich abyss]

Dubai > NYC.

[modest cedar]

yes

[thick pulsar]

Dubai doesn’t even have plumbing bro, lets be serious lmao

[thick pulsar]

Wait what, what point?

[upbeat wagon]

They are scaredy cats.

[modest cedar]

it's my 4 day talking to them

[upbeat wagon]

Not your convo dw

[thick pulsar]

Ah, oke

[upbeat wagon]

They don't get better 😉

[rich abyss]

Plumbing? Tf you on about.

[sharp creek]

and dubais religion is scary

[thick pulsar]

Google dubai poop trucks

[rich abyss]

Yeah because you can't put in water channels because of sand.

[sharp creek]

you would get arrested because of some religious problem

[rich abyss]

Dubais religion 💀

[sharp creek]

btw i like beer

the religions in dubai, sorry for the inappropriateness

[thick pulsar]

Huh, plumbing is plumbing. All you need is to focus on that over rapid development to meet investor expectations and stuff

[thick pulsar]

Real

[feral river]

I would say that’s because your current status to think US is the best place to live

If you are millionaire who own few companies and businesses, you wouldn’t choose US to settle because of their tax policy

But if you don’t have something you are not rich and you want to chase American dream and middle class dream, that could be true

[turbid dome]

I would disagree, money can’t buy happiness and past a certain point is useless, if you have money the best place would be pleased with high quality of life, so Northern Europe would be best.

[feral river]

For regular people US is one of the most ideal place to live and work to

And you can earn very significant amount of money by staying there rather than in other places

[turbid dome]

If you think of it as the best place to make infinite money then sure, but from a quality of life perspective I don’t think so

[quaint dune]

Wassup chat

[turbid dome]

Norway in specific comes to mind as it’s a very rich place

[thick pulsar]

tbh, its only very specific areas of europe that are better than america in terms of high quality of life. Reminder that more europeans die of heatstroke than Americans do to all gun violence

[quaint dune]

😑

[feral river]

I don’t think high-tax high-welfare can represent they are good to live

[thick pulsar]

perhaps, I can't lie and say that im not biased in my view

[feral river]

Especially under extreme cold condition

[turbid dome]

But heatstroke is easily preventable with money, you can buy AC and all that.

[feral river]

Gun violence happens, but not that much, and Europe still has super amount of restrictions on businesses, high taxes, etc.

I would say in a perspective of a labor would rather go to Europe than America

[turbid dome]

Well the welfare is irrelevant to rich people and the taxes are inconvenient but if you have virtually unlimited money it doesn’t matter, but in return you get good infrastructure that keeps cars off the road so all the peasants are in a bus or train while you’re in your limo

[thick pulsar]

exactly, and most europeans yet don't have one. From what I understand its not a money issue, its a mix of regulations/ differences in how homes are organized and window styles.

[feral river]

Labor protection and benefit in Europe was clearly better

[thick pulsar]

i guess for labor protection yeah

[turbid dome]

Yeah but if you’re rich enough you can build your own place, so with money it doesn’t matter

[feral river]

Yeah and welfare for the rich was like it’s robbing them to pay more taxes to other people

And they don’t really earn salary

[turbid dome]

Well in exchange they get smoother functioning society, and they still get an ungodly amount of money

[thick pulsar]

True, but all im saying that the reasons on why you would wanna go to europe disappear once you have money. Genuinely what do you gain from going from a place like Miami to Europe?

[feral river]

If they have expenses just reimburse it at their company, or using debt avoid as much taxes as they can

[turbid dome]

Like billionaires still exist in Europe

[turbid dome]

Less traffic, less gun violence, better roads, more historic sites

I mean, if you like beaches you can go to Italy

Lake como is popular for that reason

Very nice lakefront

[feral river]

But that indeed disrupt competition and created an environment that is not conductive to increase productivity and profitability

I would say in such society you can’t find any better opportunities to become a rich

[thick pulsar]

better roads..? uh, you sure about that? America is more car centric than europe, how are you gonna say it has worse roads lol. Unless you mean going from a car centric country to a less car centric area

[feral river]

But in America, everything is possible

[turbid dome]

Yeah but that doesn’t affect quality of life, rich people past a certain point are so profit obsessed they care about that more than quality of life, even though it would probably be better. If you’re a billionaire you cannot lose

[turbid dome]

That doesn’t mean the roads are good, it’s only good in wealthy areas and commerce routes, but same applies for Europe. But having more people off the road and on busses makes it generally better.

[turbid dome]

But if you have money than making money doesn’t matter and neither does losing it as through investment you’ll always have a stable money supply

If your parameters are making the most money then sure but quality of life would be better

[thick pulsar]

I mean obviously, but that still sounds like something minor. I basically spotted no difference between going from a place like USA to Germany. We still had to use the car to do road trips and go to festivals, etc

the only real advantage was that Europe is a pretty tiny place when compared to America

[turbid dome]

Well yeah if you do road trips you’ll need a car. Though something minor is still better than nothing imo

[thick pulsar]

idk, seems like an odd reason to choose moving abroad but I get it ig

[turbid dome]

Well when compounded with other minor quality of life factors it would make sense for moneyed people ig

The main issue is most moneyed people pursue more money instead of happiness

[thick pulsar]

i guess? i mean I get happy when I get money lol

i like getting it and spending it

[turbid dome]

And if we’re talking about pursuing money than living in the US with bank accounts overseas in tax havens is ideal

[thick pulsar]

you uh, sure? The tax rate in the US is pretty low already, you don't need to go that sophisticated to get some pretty good savings

[turbid dome]

Yeah but there’s a cutoff to this effect, at a certain point the vast majority of people get less and less happy with money, I mean who will notice the difference between 1 and 2 billion dollars, if you invest part of it you’ll literally never have to worry about money again and can do whatever

[thick pulsar]

just changing from living from income to living from assets, dividends etc is enough

[turbid dome]

Yeah, there’s places which have nothing going for them so they have insane tax loopholes where you can spend almost no money but in exchange you have an account or something there

[thick pulsar]

i mean I can see the difference, idk about you but I would love to be able to just fund companies, research projects, crazy side projects etc

[turbid dome]

Like if you’re making money in the Us you may do a double Irish with a Dutch sandwich

[turbid dome]

Yeah at 1 billion you can still do as much as you want and investments will return faster than spending

[thick pulsar]

most of those loopholes you speak are for corporate tax or require some specific sort of investment into the country

for most use cases a good accountant is all you need

[turbid dome]

Yeah but I’m talking about pursuing more money, which would include business

[turbid dome]

Sure

[thick pulsar]

idk, I mean i think pursuing money for the sake of money is fine

sure, it might seem soulless, but its not the worst thing one can do

[turbid dome]

Yeah but you’d do that with a business in which case you’d need tax loopholes to maximize it

[thick pulsar]

tbh most of the crazy loopholes you probably refer to have been cracked down already

like you can still do em, but not as easy

[turbid dome]

There’s still plenty, countries such as Ireland and Luxembourg don’t have a lot going for them so they operate as tax havens

Monaco as well

Same reason ships are registered in like Panama or isle of Mann

Anyways brb

[feral river]

Well more money they have more happiness they got lmao

Money is another type of power, in terms of power there’s no end to pursue

[median temple]

lol

[feral river]

Money was the power to distribute resources

Force was the ultimate power on execution

With enough money and enough force you can conquer the world

Even billionaires are chasing more power by their wealth

I’m a capitalist I could understand the endless struggle to ultimate power by billionaires and bureaucrats

And they simply don’t have to give a fuck to proletariants

The truth is, in modern society where nobody can hold sticks and small arms to win against professional military supported by bureaucrats and billionaire capitalists

In the past millions of people could rise up by the tools in their home, fight against cold armed soldiers

Can you use your stick or knife fight against guns with armored vehicles with more supportive devices ?

If that happens due to their trait to compromise I guess if they promise something back for temporarily or send some money to these people and this rise will be crashed

That happened numerous times in history

[summer garnet]

Heyy what up

[hot leaf]

Bomb every IDF base

And life will be better 100%

[fringe temple]

Real

[hot leaf]

I’m talking fr tho

Israel is the worst country in this current timeline

And people who are from Israel should be ashamed of what their country government have done

[heady tapir]

they wasnt educated good enough

[hot leaf]

Facts

Brainwashed is a good word for these people

[feral river]

Nobody gives a fuck to the word from terrorist supporters

Israelis are dedicated to fight against terrorism with their powerful strength and spirit

[hot leaf]

Bro lives in Star Wars y’all

[feral river]

And they will win the war against terrorism

[hot leaf]

I’m willing to believe that

[feral river]

Long Live The War On Terror 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇫🇷 🇬🇧

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[feral river]

The quality of life of your faction was trash compared to the opposite lmfao

[hot leaf]

Israel doesn’t know u bro

[feral river]

Nobody wants to live in some poor empty desert

[hot leaf]

Terrorism is USA and Israel

They created terrorism

[feral river]

Oh they know me, they know me very much I was one of the shareholder of their military industry

And I pay taxes to IRS

🤣

[hot leaf]

NPC

[hot leaf]

Bro calls his 10$ shareholder

[feral river]

Bud is thinking he’s main character by supporting terrorism

[hot leaf]

I’m supporting the right side

That’s it

Also killing IDF Soldiers is the right side

On a different topic I picked this one out of the book fair and i do think it’s gonna be a good read

[feral river]

You are supporting the dead side

And you can’t change that

[mortal nova]

USA is a world policeman. I hate it, but it's not a terrorist country. Afganistan is, Palestine is, Iraq maybe

[mortal nova]

U r from PRC?

[shadow bronze]

Hi

[low nexus]

israel broken rules of war, they not just killing army there but also civilians: children, womens. and even after U know that U still defending these terroirism. How NPC indeed, by grateful that I don't know english that gud if I it was i will fuck U up @feral river

[ionic merlin]

Here-below, a transcript of the final of the last debate competition organized by the Flat-Earth Debate Society of Britain

Note that the debate took place under controlled atmosphere so as to avoid cheating, the judging panel consisted exclusively of carefully selected, fully impartial members of the Flat Earth Society of Britain.
Strict rules applied to both finalists who were blindfolded before being shot and thrown to lions as soon as the debate was over to avoid controversial post-debate comments.
For political reasons unknown to science, the two finalists will only be referred to as @clear elk (distinguished member of the Flat Earth Society of Britain, professor emeritus in dightenania)
and My Dog.
First speaker was designated by a coin toss but due to the need for impartiality, gravity took a break and the coin floated freely in the air so My Dog won the toss.

My Dog: I can bark.
@Jinbcr1: I disagree.
My Dog: hmmm… you win.

@clear elk’s debating skills will be rewarded with an official certificate delivered by the Flat Earth Debate Society
(time and place to be informed upon when science allows)

[feral river]

There’s the no valid rule of war

Law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper

[low nexus]

Are u human?

[feral river]

Come and fuck me up if you can lmfao

Who the heck thinks you are

Who cares

[low nexus]

Lol

[fresh flower]

Bro got muted for 24 hours and learned nothing

[feral river]

You will learn something from that I bet

[fresh flower]

Smartest CCP supporter

[feral river]

I promise.

[fresh flower]

[feral river]

The only rule of war is to win the war with every cost

[uncut tiger]

A whole country can't be terrorist man

[feral river]

Lose it, you will become the pie ready to be eaten by winners

And the power and strength is the only decisive factor that would conclude whether they could win or not

Don’t have very much word to losers as always

[uncut tiger]

Did you know that history is written by the winners of war Minecraft.

[feral river]

Ofc i know lmao

But they still pay the bill of lying

Nothing changed too much

[uncut tiger]

Do you believe in conspiracies

Any sort would do

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-conspiracy-time-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017112

[feral river]

I don’t believe in anything without valid proof and evidence under direct observation

[uncut tiger]

What evidence do you have for that the earth is round

[feral river]

Modern science

You can’t use earth is flat such conclusion to do a research that establish a chain of evidence to proof some observable phenomenon as theory

The core of science is verifiable

[uncut tiger]

But you don't do science why do you believe in it

[feral river]

If other people aren’t able to use the same way to proof the thing which they concluded, then this is not science

[uncut tiger]

Do you blindly trust the scientists and their weird jargon

[feral river]

I don’t, even current science theory would be found its own limit in the future because of our development

[uncut tiger]

Yup

[feral river]

But under current development status all the theory you got from researching and observing can still be used and can be proved under the same situation

You can’t say the temperature can go below -100 Kevin

Neither you could proof it

[ionic merlin]

sounds like a flat earther

[feral river]

I’m not saying it’s repeating the same conspiracy to question one’s research job or direct experiment to know what’s the truth

[uncut tiger]

@ionic merlin what if you spend a shit ton of money and take a flat earther to space, would they still believe in flat earth?

[turbid dome]

Well this logic would get us nowhere. If everyone has to do their own experiments, and nobody can rely on others, then people could never advance.

Anyways, reptiles for the win

[feral river]

But I would say it’s stupid to believe in the earth is flat which even in 21th century we have modern sailing technology and air forces support

Idk why would somebody believe they live in a fake 3D dimension

[ionic merlin]

lol, i was wondering about that this morning.
i was going to offer one of them to go on a sailing trip together to get to the edge

[uncut tiger]

trust is key for progression.

[feral river]

That was obviously not true, but for some political reasons they can be exist

[uncut tiger]

Political?

[feral river]

Yeah everything is related to politics and money

If there’s no money flow coming through why would you think they could assemble such organization by themselves without any benefit

[uncut tiger]

I wonder if any flat earther was a scientist

[feral river]

That’s the basic logic which an organization would survive

[uncut tiger]

But It's not an organization

[feral river]

And it is definitely profitable

[uncut tiger]

It's just a bunch of people

Thinking about the same thing

[feral river]

A bunch of people were assembled for a reason, and they need resources to just achieve that

[ionic merlin]

the argument would be "can you imagine how insanely famous you would get if you brought back pictures of the edge?"

[feral river]

Even a politician needs money to campaign himself

[ionic merlin]

thats why they are corrupt and unreliable

[uncut tiger]

What do they say when you ask them for pictures of the edge?

[feral river]

In democratic states yes

In authoritarian regimes, nah but it depends on what situation

[ionic merlin]

that it;s too far and noone has ever managed t get there

[feral river]

Corruption still widely exist in authoritarian regimes but they were quite different in different situation and structures

[uncut tiger]

Too far?

[ionic merlin]

cause in authoritarian regimes they hardly need to campaign and they usually use state funds for that

[feral river]

The core logic was, as long as the people are doing the job that distribute the resources and manage them, corruption will exist

[ionic merlin]

yes, that all

cant argue with that

[feral river]

Regardless of the system

[uncut tiger]

But we got airplanes

Still too far

What do they think about the radius of the earth

[ionic merlin]

yes, i did mention their existence but they said it was a hoax

[feral river]

I live in authoritarian regimes they don’t need that but you need some special link like relationship to the high ranking officials to get in power

[ionic merlin]

i didnt have time to get there, i was muted and block for 72h

[feral river]

Like I can steal poor subsidies when I was in the university

Just because my family got some relation with the owner of the school

[ionic merlin]

sure, you know xi's link to the dongguan family then

[uncut tiger]

An airplane is a fake technology?

[feral river]

Ofc I know that, and power struggle is cruel even inside the party

But if you would talk about Xi Jinping himself, I would say he’s kind of qualified to be the General Secretary even inside the party by the opinion of the old high ranking party officials

The power structure of CCP is nothing special but combined the state power with the military power

[ionic merlin]

nah, i am making that one up cause you wouldnt put it beyond them to say that
but they said airplanes dont yet have the range necssary.
the "too far" thing.
which is odd since at the same time, they say the antarctic is an ice wall that keeps the water from spilling out

and thats why access to the antarctic is regulated

[feral river]

The administrative power also important since communist party was established, but from now on we don’t see any power distribution after Xi Jinping came to power with his anti-corruption purges against most officials

[ionic merlin]

no, the guy clearly has no clue about economics and internatioanl diplomacy

[feral river]

Now we can only see a administration under him controls everything

[feral river]

I would doubt that but I don’t think that is on him because he’s clearly not the guy who decide these affairs

[ionic merlin]

but we both know it was just pretence.
his own cronnies are involved in corruption but he needs to keep people on-side

[feral river]

He wrote a book in 2017 that was about how to run the country under his Xi Jinping thought, nothing very special and without clear executive policies and technological proof

[ionic merlin]

i agree but he should take a closer look at things once in a while to make sure things are not mishandled

[feral river]

It was just a white paper for people to know he’s doing things in his mind

[ionic merlin]

anyways, i need to ask you a favour

i have a picture of a hotel in hefei, rekon you could check it?

[feral river]

Corruption is the tool he came to power

That’s the truth

[ionic merlin]

we agree

[feral river]

Never been to that place but sure

[ionic merlin]

let me see if i can upload it from my wechat to the computer

i m not good with technology, i m old. might take a little while

i cant, my rear camera lense is missing, cant scan th QR code on the computer

can you add me?
English-at4

[feral river]

Np

I added you on wechat

Are you an english teacher in China ?

[ionic merlin]

no, i had 5 training centres in shenzhen but we stopped in 2020 because of the virus.

we had to carry on paying rents and salaries for 4.5 months and we didnt know when we d be able to reopen

lol the flat earthers have muted everyone and are making their own little non-sensical speeches

[hot leaf]

Nuke Israel

[ionic merlin]

i just sent an offer for a live face to face debate to one of the flat earthers.
i expect a rejection...

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-out-line-but-right-gif-22029772

[hot leaf]

Easy win

[ionic merlin]

lol

the guy just acknowledged reception of my message in their VC

[upbeat wagon]

@clear elk Why do you think "Truth seekers" have to ban so many people who disagree with them?

[ionic merlin]

you banned/blocked too?

FLAT EARTH RULES
1- interrupt
2- try and confuse
3- answer "we just dont know"
4- claim newtonian and einsteinian theories of gravity are different (this one is cool)
5- ignore questions
6- mute button when really they see they are being outsmarted
7- claim you asked a question you didnt actually ask.
8- claim your knowledge is mere belief and their knowledge is hard truth (rather subjective...)
9- narrow picture angle so as to make curvature imperceptible and claim it therefore doesnt exist.
10- refuse to agree on terminology so as to make debate impossible.

[upbeat wagon]

duh 😛

[ionic merlin]

lol

i was going to use their own answers to trap them but they refused to answer yes/no questions

right now they are taking questions, but as soon as they recognize that someone is dangerously knowledgeablem they interrupt, talk over, etcc... and eventually block

[upbeat wagon]

That is their MO for sure.

[ionic merlin]

we need to open an alternative flat earth VC to take the debate away from them.

[upbeat wagon]

The only reason "they have the debate" is because they all congregate like a school of fish.

Dont mention you are talking to me btw itll be an instant block 😉

[ionic merlin]

right.

[ionic merlin]

i can t do anything, am already blocked there

72h ban

[upbeat wagon]

Imagine being "Truth Seekers" who ban everyone who disagrees

[ionic merlin]

hold on , can i send you a picture in DM?

[upbeat wagon]

Sure

[upbeat wagon]

@waxen scaffold Flat water is just a statement. It hasn't been substantiated in any regard.

[feral river]

I think we just wait the natural selection and it will settle everything including this shit

[ionic merlin]

yes, but apparently those people reproduce too....

scary

[feral river]

it will automatically select the people who are more competitive in terms of survival

I don't think they take huge advantage against modern technology with modern society

[ionic merlin]

ultimaetly, yes.

[feral river]

survival for the fittest

[ionic merlin]

yes.

[upbeat socket]

the media be like

They actually will utilize any logical fallacy onto to the masses that either have beliefs theory on faith or was raised stupid

[ionic merlin]

they make ultra convoluted arguments of testing methods and apparatus noone has ever heard of because they dont actually exist and then people just dont know what to reply

[upbeat socket]

I don't know how people gonna train themselves to process and filter information in mass

They just give mouthful of both useless and useful information while can't handpick which is the right one

disinformation and misinformation run rampant , not mentioning globalization and endless entertainment that makes us docile, lazy, and heartless because seeing everything happening through a screen

I dunno this is our arc, from my standpoint it's a beginning of an end

[sharp creek]

what is difference between saudi and pakistan

[ionic merlin]

i agree, although at the same time i d say this view isnt helpful (dont worry, i am not criticizing you here)
if the few people on this planet who have a clue would actually be mean enough to fight back, things would get better.
but this is the very thing, clued up people are overall nice, good and dont want to have to fight for something that seems like it is normal.

[ionic merlin]

different naionalities a fair bit apart on the map too....

even on the flat earth map i think, although the flat earthers have refused to provide a map

[sharp creek]

they were arguing with each other about that

[ionic merlin]

in flat earth VC?

i am listening in again.

[sharp creek]

yes but theyve left now

the us guy really hate pikistan people hahaha

and they said saudi people and islam people cant get married

[upbeat socket]

"clued up people are overall nice, good and don't want to have to fight for something that seems like it is normal"?

What do you mean by that, sorry, please enlighten me?

[ionic merlin]

you may disagree, but i like to think that "more intelligent" people have less incentive to be mean and agressive in order to provide for themselves and their keen.
having less incentive, generation after generation, the character traits of agressivity within that genetic line wanes
which thus makes us less likely to want to congregate and "fight back" against an abusive system in which we do manage to do well for ourselves.

[upbeat socket]

Tying intelligent and ego is classic human story since knowing more or being more intelligent is as same as power.

In reality, real intelligence is the ability to be one with the people, to conjoin, to learn, to dialogue.

People who from the masses who is "smart" but having less incentive or fight back just resulted in "stagnation" meaning they don't contribute at all or don't care, that isn't per se "smart" that is just "one of the smart choices".

My point is there will some kind of revolution or havoc that will flat the whole system to the ground until it's rebuilt, either smart or not suffering will always reach to you no matter what.

Suffering can cause outrage, it can cause people to fight back, either they are good or not

[heady tapir]

bro wtf are y analyst ?

[upbeat socket]

We are dialoguing, not pulling any researchers note or any of journals, just based on what we experienced or read

[ionic merlin]

i am not sure why you are bringing ego in the debate, you sound like you are trying to slander/demean.
but at the same time you confirm what i wrote.
yes , suffering can..... but you are also confirming my point there because the people who suffer and revolt are not the people who live rather well because they are a little more "clued up".

do you get it?
i live and have pretty much always lived rather comfortably and although i can see the madness of the system, and i do talk to all who will hear about it, and trust me i am not particularly selfish (i spend a lot of time and money helping poor people) i fell no particular need to revolt because i need to be pushed very hard before i get violent.

[upbeat socket]

I was wrong maybe the right words was they are more self sufficient, or isolated

[upbeat socket]

Ahh i see now, you meant living in comfort knowing the accessible infomation giving you enough time to probably adapt to new situations compared to people who don't know

[ionic merlin]

sort of yes. i mean really what i am saying is that intellingent people (and here i do not talk about academic upper middle classes that prop up the system) are kinder because they have no need to be violent i order to eat/keep warm
i have no proof except for my own life expereicne (i ahev met a few clearly intellignet people living in reltive poverty but not complaining about their lot.)

[uncut tiger]

Are we still talking about flat earth

[karmic osprey]

Ummm, actually☝️

[young quarry]

Hello everyone

[ionic merlin]

nsort of, but we have digressed a little

[upbeat socket]

You can say that earlier, my gosh, i don't know which people you are reffering to, but yes they do live comfortably

[ionic merlin]

we were talking about their ability to reproduce or not and then minecraft correctly pointed out the survival of the fittest theory

from there we went on to why we dont rebel and so on....

[uncut tiger]

@ionic merlin u believe in evolution?

[ionic merlin]

i sort of did, sorry if my use of language isnt clear.

[ionic merlin]

i do yes, and i dont think it contradicts Islam in any way

or any other religion for that matter

[upbeat socket]

I believe in evolution as long its not darwinism

[uncut tiger]

Exactly

First thing we agree upon

[ionic merlin]

agreed , i dont agree with darwin either

[uncut tiger]

And ig the last

[ionic merlin]

not true, we ve agreed on a few things before

come on!

[uncut tiger]

Can you tell me how evolution doesn't contradict Islam

[ionic merlin]

i am not at all well versed in the Quran, so i wouldnt be able to cite anything.
still, i cannot imagine Allah, would make us unable to adapt to a changing environment.
as i see it, He planted seeds (the elements, creatures and humans) but He doesnt control them

do you see what i mean?

[uncut tiger]

I see

Pretty basic and straightforward

[ionic merlin]

but can you argue against or does the Quran speak against ny of what i just wrote?

the Quran does make mention of the fact that Allah gave us freewill, doesn it?

so it means we are not controlled.

[bronze pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tongue-cat-smiling-gif-11949735780193730026

[ionic merlin]

ok, i am having this DM conversation with one of the flat earthers, it is dramatic.

man, i ve got him in DM, so he cant argue against their own lameness now.

[uncut tiger]

Yes yes good

[sharp creek]

Yes yes good

[uncut tiger]

Catch that pokemon

[ionic merlin]

you being sarcastic or genuine here?

[uncut tiger]

I am always genuine when it comes to talking with older men.

You are my elder I respect you

[ionic merlin]

nah, that isnt the right way t olook at this.
you have to be objective with who you give respect to.
there are bad, mean and stupid old people?
would you give unconditional respect to the chief jewish terrorist ?(sorry, i refuse to name him. but you know who i mean)

.
lol, flat earthers just muted a guy for 17 days. love their strategy.

[uncut tiger]

Damn you kinda have a point now that I think about it.

That's arises a question in my mind, does everyone in society deserve our respect?

[tulip drift]

If a dog kills a cockroach , is it goin to hell ?

[ionic merlin]

like one of the flat earthers is 63. he says "[i] known shit cause [i] am only 51"

what do yo think he would say about a 15 year old?

does he deserve respect too?
i am not quite putting him on a par with the chief jewish terrorist but still.

[ionic merlin]

i think consciousness of the right and wrong are necessary

[tulip drift]

Do you think the concept of hell and heaven exist ?

[reef burrow]

I screenshot this message the other day but bruh

[fresh flower]

Yooooo

[fresh flower]

I stopped reading at "Gravity was invented"

These guys cannot be fr 💔💔💔💔💔

Wait this shit makes no sense

If gravity is fake and made up, why do they "explain" flat earth through density and buoyancy

[reef burrow]

Like I said before, they don't understand half of the things they said

Just non bullshit, to sound profound

[ionic merlin]

yesm ths one is very interesting because on the one end they say gravity DOESNT EXIST but then when some people brings up gravity, some of the flat earthers immediately go with "wait, which theory of gravity are you talking about", implying that they would agree with one of the two.

[fresh flower]

These guys always say "water finds its level", therefore earth is flat

My bro... what holds it down?

If gravity is fake it should just all float away💀

[coral belfry]

just ask them, how do waves work (:

[sage snow]

if eath is round then how are u alive

[coral belfry]

if earth is flat how are YOU alive

[turbid dome]

That’ll break their mind

[sage snow]

ans me 1st

[coral belfry]

no u

[sage snow]

i asked 1st honey

[reef burrow]

They also like to bring out the abyssal plains, which is a flat plain under the water. But they miss important factors, its not flat out, there are deeper section under that, so by definition if the earth is flat, there shouldn't be any hole..

[coral belfry]

we haven't agreed yet!

[sage snow]

doesnt matter

🤸‍♀️

[high raven]

No way, is this real?

[reef burrow]

Real real

[sage snow]

earth is flat thats why she can stand on one hand

[turbid dome]

If earth is a sphere and the moon orbits around It then why don’t we orbit just a few feet off the surface, checkmate

[high raven]

Earth must be flat because I can't stand being around these types of people, how do you guys talk to them without pulling your hair?

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/funk-flex-now-listen-thats-called-bars-mad-angry-gif-17474477

They mad annoying tho fr

[reef burrow]

I don't anymore, I give my every fucking reason but they just ignore it lol.

They also mute me twice

[fresh flower]

Badge of honour

[feral river]

I feel a lot sadness to see that number of people is gonna be out of the natural selection

God, may you forgive their sin

[sage snow]

@coral belfry u have to answer 🥺😘😘

[coral belfry]

answer what

[sage snow]

my question

[ionic merlin]

wait, i asked them about water in a glass. and they didnt answer the question.

because water in a glass is not flat and they know it. we all know it

there is a curvature on the surface where the water meets the glass

[reef burrow]

I use geological formations and how atmosphere work, from observation, and they just ignore it lol or just flat out said "No"

[coral belfry]

because earth is big

[ionic merlin]

that curvature is the result of einsteinian gravity

we call it capilarity but it is in fact electro-magnetic gravity as explained by einstein

[reef burrow]

You should go and read there chat

It's lunatic

[high raven]

The meniscus?

The curve itself is due to surface tensions

The rest of it being water level is due to gravity

[ionic merlin]

surface tension IS einsteins theory of gravity

[high raven]

Odd how you can think gravity is made up, when these guys could do that experiment in their kitchen

[reef burrow]

Just drop a cup of tea

[feral river]

isn't that part of the general relativity

[ionic merlin]

yes, and i was trying to tell them they have actually done it and witnessed it

but they refuse to answer the questions

[ionic merlin]

it's all sort of connected because all of those theories revolve around the idea of force created by the inherent magnetic field of all matter

[sage snow]

stoopid

[reef burrow]

Also found this during one of the conversation

And bruh

[coral belfry]

no

[sage snow]

ur really stoopid

[ionic merlin]

i think he/she didnt get it.

dont worry

[feral river]

I would say that's not being created but he specifically explained the relativity between the mass and the force impacted on the space

[ionic merlin]

sorry, did one of them post that?

[reef burrow]

Yes

[feral river]

it's like their mass are impacting the space that attract them from getting closer

[ionic merlin]

cool , thanks

i ll use it tomorrow

[ionic merlin]

sorry , who does "their" refer to in your sentence?

[feral river]

then don't mess up with a regional power if you can't even have your food supplies

you got your food supplies dependent on your enemy and you mess them up ?

sounds pretty like group suicide to me

and blame how they are cutting off because you guys screw them

lmfao that's the whole logic

[feral river]

matter

[ionic merlin]

ok, thats right then

lol, i tried the vegans. they are actually worse than the flat earthers

they refuse to engage altogether

[feral river]

they can't do that because they are nothing in terms of the power

[ionic merlin]

there are studies that show plants have a sensory system and can express pain.
they say it;s fake and then they blocked me

[feral river]

why would we used to talk some unselected people in this world

natural selection will handle them

[ionic merlin]

i am very very curious

[reef burrow]

I wouldn't say it's a cult, but an ideology or some sort

[feral river]

don't worry guys

[feral river]

the last time they talk about some pain caused on animals I said if I get rid of your nerve system and you don't feel pain from being eaten

then they go silence

[dapper laurel]

Who are you talking about?

[ionic merlin]

lol

[reef burrow]

No?

[feral river]

animals, plants are all our properties

[ionic merlin]

vegan crowd

[feral river]

human is the dominant species of the world, the superior species

[ionic merlin]

i disagree with "properties".
some form of respect is necessary, or else where does respect start?

[reef burrow]

That's not very ethical

[dapper laurel]

I don't think natural selection will have any impact on them, there is almost no natural selection among humans anymore, if we exclude the sexual point of view

[ionic merlin]

thats the point he is aking

[ionic merlin]

true, unfortunately

[high raven]

That'd make you a "speciesist" according to vegan rhetoric, as bad, if not worse, than a racist, to most of them

[ionic merlin]

people, i am off.
1a.m. here.
have fun

[dapper laurel]

Would you prefer more natural selection nowadays?

[feral river]

yeah I do discriminate all of the other lower class species

and unmoving plants

[ionic merlin]

sure would.

[reef burrow]

From what I experience so far they wear clothes make out of cotton, not sheep wool. I don't know much about the zoo part tho, but yea they only eat plants base diet

[feral river]

we enslave them and they are our properties

[dapper laurel]

Why?

[feral river]

we can kill them whenever we want and we sell them on the market

I can totally accept that

[reef burrow]

How

[ionic merlin]

dont you remember i see everythin through the "natural" lense/perspective?

[fierce plover]

real evil

[reef burrow]

?def cult

[cursive bobcat]

Word: cult

Definition 1 (noun): an interest followed with exaggerated zeal
Definition 2 (noun): a system of religious beliefs and rituals
Definition 3 (noun): a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by baskibvam

[fierce plover]

[sage snow]

what is the oldest religion that is still followed

[feral river]

yeah im pure evil to animals which I don't give a fuck

I'm the superior species, the human

[reef burrow]

Your a savage

[fierce plover]

Buddhism or Hinduism ig

[feral river]

I'm entitled to everything against them

[dapper laurel]

Not really, but couldn't a person use the pretext of natural selection to dominate others?

[fierce plover]

You gotta be trollin

[dapper laurel]

What if you are the one being dominated and enslaved?

[feral river]

im not trolling im saying what im thinking

I'm the human, the superior species

and all other species are my properties

[reef burrow]

I will agree on that, they sometimes overlook crucial part. Vegan by definition is the ideology that is against any type of exploitation against animal..

[feral river]

if we can use them, enslave them do that, if they can't kill them

they are occupying our living space

[dapper laurel]

I don't know if superior, but more successful

At least among mammals

[feral river]

for the nice living condition to human, we can kill all of them for our gains

because we are superior as human

the true superior species

[dapper laurel]

Doesn't superiority itself also imply a kind of moral superiority?

[fierce plover]

So, white ppl can enslave asians and black cuz they are superior?

[feral river]

nah, it's the true superiority based on the force

we can use guns to kill every other being except human we see

they are our properties

and we are entitled to consume them

[dapper laurel]

Aren't we the same species, bro?

[feral river]

we are the true superior species

[reef burrow]

I see

[feral river]

nah because they are also human, but we can enslave cats and dogs which we are doing it all the time, and we eat them when our belly feels empty

because they are our properties and they have prices

[dapper laurel]

Chat is going crazy today

[feral river]

you can buy pork, mutton, beef any other meat produced by factory

[dapper laurel]

What flower is that in the pfp?

[fierce plover]

humanity is divided into races, races are completely different from each other, even people within the same race can have large phenotypic. genotypic differences, if he is talking about superiority and strength, then white people had the right to enslave blacks and Asians, because they were superior to them

[reef burrow]

Let says if you are superior species, and human are life stock, would you eat them?

[feral river]

wym I'm saying all human are superior species

[reef burrow]

Cause if we use your logic, we are superior therefore we must have rights to destroy?

[dapper laurel]

You know that this theory has been widely debunked?

[feral river]

and other species are our properties

their only value to stay existence is to bring fortune to human

or else we kill all of them

[reef burrow]

That's how the britain must have felt when they enter india lol

[fierce plover]

about races being different? are you kidding me or what?

[feral river]

irrelevant

I never promote human slavery

[fierce plover]

Oh, so u guys were talking abt vegans, I thought abt animal cruelty

[reef burrow]

Just a set of example, how slavery work during the days

[feral river]

also britain entered India for their national interest

that was totally irrelevant to what they are gonna do in their sphere of influence

what they are doing is all for the Great Britain

and they don't have to give a fuck to other things

[dapper laurel]

Biologically, all humans share approximately 99.9% of our DNA; we all belong to the same species. There are differences, but they are not significant enough to distinguish different populations in races, that's it

[fierce plover]

Let me look it up

If its confirmed or na

[dapper laurel]

It should be. Also because a white man and a black man can have children, for example. If they had been different races, there would have been sterility

[fierce plover]

So,why do vegans become vegans then? if their products also cause pain to animals, i don't mean those who just don't like meat due to the taste

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, or turtles

[fierce plover]

I just looked it up, u were right guys

[dapper laurel]

When you mate two different breeds of turtles, the offspring becomes sterile

I just oversimplified

[feral river]

ofc we have the right to eliminate every other species because we can

and they are nothing because they aren't superior as human

we can kill all of them very easily

use them as our food supplies, enslave them for our interest

[earnest axle]

Normal chat on serous chat

[feral river]

or kill all of the other irrelevant shit because we can

human is the only superior species on planet earth

only human dominated the earth established powerful state

[mortal nova]

Just because you can, it doesn't mean you have to

[feral river]

all of other species either used by human or become our doll

[feral river]

yeah sometimes we don't have to but we can do that

and we can do it all the time

[mortal nova]

If you wanna kill animals just because you can, it's fucking awful. Not for food, not because of dangerous situation, just because u can

It's wrong

[feral river]

it's not wrong I just killed a mosquito

and I ate beef and pork today

[mortal nova]

You know what I mean

[feral river]

I feel entitled as the superior species

the human

the only true and superior species that deserve to live long on the planet earth

[mortal nova]

It's not about casual life

Would you like to kill a cat for example? Or a bird? Just because you can

[feral river]

I ever killed several birds but cat I never do one

there's no point to kill a cat for me

I can kill them and it's totally legal under our local administration under the law

I can kill all of them if I want

because I'm superior species, as you are buddy

[mortal nova]

Just because there is no point? So it's not about basic humanism? I bet you can't kill any living being just because you can

I can't believe that everything that stops you is "no point"

[feral river]

I can do that

why would you think I wasn't able to kill a cat

[fierce plover]

Simple empathy

[feral river]

but there's no point I can't eat the cat meat that was unprocessed, neither I can sell the cat body to the market

[feral river]

to properties ?

[mortal nova]

Exactly

[feral river]

do you have empathy to your phone ?

I don't have any empathy to my phone they are my properties

[mortal nova]

It's not the same. It's not a living being

It's not somekind of mosquito

[feral river]

a low class species is property by law

[mortal nova]

Or whatever

[feral river]

and under my power I can do anything to them

[mortal nova]

Many killers started with birds and cats.....

[fierce plover]

a cat, like other pets, is not just property, but a living organism, your little friend, and the comparison with a telephone is incorrect, a telephone is not a living creature

[feral river]

I'm empowered and I'm entitled, and I can do everything I want

[feral river]

it is a property

you can buy a cat on the market

[mortal nova]

You are dangerous to society

[fierce plover]

Tf is wrong with u brosk

[feral river]

if you kill a random cat if that was owned by other human the punishment was, give the compensation to the owner

[mortal nova]

If he can kill a small animal like cat it's only about time when he can kill a human

[fierce plover]

just like in the middle ages, you could buy a live slave and so what?

[feral river]

I can't believe you guys rather become the slave of these properties

and saying how they are entitled to do something to us lmfao

we can kill them anytime we want

they are nothing

[mortal nova]

It's about humanism and empathy, not about possibility

[feral river]

and they are properties

[feral river]

I have no empathy to my phone

again

but you feels like you have that shit on your phone or your bed

why don't you have empathy on void

and your empathy was nothing

your empathy can never be enforced

only absolute power could enforce something that was on the paper

like guns

[pallid pike]

lmao

[feral river]

to low class species ?

im sorry we are human we are not the dogs or cats

we are the superior species

we have the power to do whatever we want on them

we have the guns

[pallid pike]

try to fight with a tiger, with you bare hands

[feral river]

the bullets, the iron fence

that was all made by our superior being of human

I have and I can kill them because I can

and that was totally legal under our local administration

[fierce plover]

because it is not a living being, and by the way, people can also feel pity for non-living objects, this is one of the reasons why many do not want to get rid of old things, the feeling of nostalgia and pity does not allow them to throw away something dear to them, this is basic empathy, only some maniac or psychopath will not be able to understand this

Chinese psycho