🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

this is the first different thing i have ever heard

Is what everything God has revealed considered a command?

dude. satan is in the bible, it doesnt mean Jesus is satan

Why can't God describe the already-existing law if he is all-knowing and powerful?

[thorny steeple]

are u stupid

the bible is God's word, but that doesnt mean jsut cuz something is in the Bible immediately makes it mean God says it

[gritty echo]

For you , it can be like that , for someone it can't be , theses all of them are part of human culture and history , There are 8 billion people living the earth and there are thousands of religions , languages and cultures , Believes nothing need proof it is the word if you believe you believed if you don't believed doesn't matter, Just trying to saying your book is wrong your culture is wrong your lifestyle is wrong, it can be take offense because their ancestors living like that from long centuries someone of them living like thousands of year,

[thorny steeple]

lets keep this professional

[gritty echo]

Don't care about who believes

Just look at your own beliefs

[thorny steeple]

it was in a protagonist way as mark luke and john wrote it while seeing jesus and his mind idk how

[gritty echo]

It is healthy for everyone

[toxic glade]

Some people don’t have much of a personal sense of morality

[gritty echo]

For my opinion

[toxic glade]

For those people, getting their morality from a book is actually useful to society

[thorny steeple]

yeah they could justify slavery

even in any context

u cant justify it

the Bible has been used by bad people to justify bad things, but that doesn't mean the Bibile is bad. It just means theres bad people that used it

[thorny steeple]

the bad things in bible are bad

isnt it simple

[thorny steeple]

i agree. sin is bad and shit

[gritty echo]

Yes like ideology

Not just for religion

[thorny steeple]

but i wnna know why do u think bible isnt gods word?

[thorny steeple]

i never said that mcdawglingdoodle

[thorny steeple]

It is what God revealed, but not everything is a command

[toxic glade]

I don’t think that’s a useful way to consider morality

[thorny steeple]

Are you Hitchens-style atheist?

ur in a position where ur diagreeing with your own christian church, people, alot of poeple tho

Or Nietzsche? I'd say Nietzsche is much more correct than Hitchens or Dawkins or the New Atheist prophets

[feral river]

It was a total fake story made by the person who want to use it to rule the people

[toxic glade]

Morality is inherently subjective. That does not mean that if one person or group of people decides that slavery is moral, that it becomes acceptable to the greater world, but those individuals feel that they are acting in a way that is moral

[thorny steeple]

ts getting convoluted--theres too many people talking about too many things

[thorny steeple]

my morality comes from well being of humans, or i define it that way

[gritty echo]

Man's beliefs are personal why are you so offended like that

[toxic glade]

It is subjective, however

[thorny steeple]

thats a question

[gritty echo]

If someone wants to believe rock is my god he can

[toxic glade]

Someone who is a vegan, for instance, believes that it is immoral to consume animal products

[feral river]

There’s no difference to me saying oh you know what I love you if you don’t even believe me as the only true god but if you do, behave like my ass that guided you to

[gritty echo]

But your talking style is like a rage bait

[feral river]

That was total fucked backward ideology drives people into deep cycle of underdeveloped and ignorance

[high raven]

Yikes

[feral river]

And it does not have ANY FUCKiNG BACK

[toxic glade]

Laws are created when a great enough proportion of the population of a society agrees on a specific subjective view of morality

[gritty echo]

You can use your language softer than this

[toxic glade]

(Very very generally)

[gritty echo]

It is not bad

[high raven]

I see this discussion is still going with odd takes and backhanded comments that don't serve any purpose

[feral river]

We already defeated the rule by god in modern era

[toxic glade]

Yeah.. I don’t know why I’m even here for it, lol

[feral river]

In the last century it’s fascism, communism and capitalism

[waxen vessel]

arguments over religion will never go anywhere. there is no way to completely disprove either side and even if that proof did exist it isnt guaranteed to sway everybody's hearts

[thorny steeple]

Tbf, if you preach about damnation, the atheists will resent
No one should do that
But I try to describe "evidence" and they do not kill their own pride
Like I said. Surah Al-Hajj (22:46)
"Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind."

[gritty echo]

Did you saw Iran missiles hitting Israel

[thorny steeple]

No amount of proof will make them believe because it's not about proving God for faith

[feral river]

Religion is people’s opium - Karl Marx

[thorny steeple]

I believed this Christian lie before I sought truth

[feral river]

See that shit

[high raven]

It's a waste of time really, it's just pseudo-intellectual takes that don't seem to grasp the basic concept of faith

[feral river]

Sup with that didn’t cause very much damages

[gritty echo]

Yeah we saw Marxist ideologies are collapsed

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple Are you Catholic or Protestant

[feral river]

Oh yeah ? Say that to american left and 5 socialist countries in the world

[toxic glade]

Yeah, it’s a lot of people talking around each other instead of engaging directly

[feral river]

Even in some country communist party is elected as the ruling party

[waxen vessel]

arguments over faith are always wasted breath

[thorny steeple]

i couldnt agree with u anymore

[thorny steeple]

I am following Jesus 😎

[feral river]

Even they are not totally communist lmao

[gritty echo]

The American left is so far away from the real world

[thorny steeple]

I follow Jesus and His Church 🤝

[feral river]

Then what about China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam

[toxic glade]

I think there’s a lot of productive discussion you can have around the subject of faith, as long as you don’t make the conversation about trying to prove or disprove the existence or validity of any given religion

[gritty echo]

It is easy to stay in your continent without any real treats in the borders

[thorny steeple]

well now ur in contradiction where Jesus if a majorly known from bibles, which u are against of

[feral river]

They are americans

They have the capability to influence the world

[gritty echo]

And talking about wars and other events in the world

[waxen vessel]

your right sorry i was being short-sighted

[thorny steeple]

i mean u can belive that rock is a god, but jsut saying wouldnt make it true

u have to prove that is true

[gritty echo]

Their building collapsed and they were just crying babies to destroy everything about the middle east

Dude is was the first time for America

[thorny steeple]

who are you say what IM for or against 😑

[gritty echo]

Because all of the world is living like this like centuries

[waxen vessel]

when it comes to faith you don't and will never prove an absolute truth or absolute falsehood it is a system based on belief

[feral river]

Are any of you americans ?

Dare to say they got collapse lmfao

[gritty echo]

Americans think Europe is a country

Hahahahahaha

[thorny steeple]

Are you willing to join an Apostolic Christian philosophy and debate server?

[thorny steeple]

i don't know who you are, but uh Jesus loves you and also i'm going to sleep. cya tomorrow G, get some rest

[gritty echo]

I don't know it is funny

[thorny steeple]

I will DM

[waxen vessel]

least convincing message josiah

[thorny steeple]

theres no need to find absolute truth, but at least have 1 perent of truth tho?

[thorny steeple]

The logical contradiction where u follow Jesus but against of bible

[feral river]

They can consider europe a country

[waxen vessel]

sorry i fail to understand

[feral river]

A puppet union of the United States

[thorny steeple]

bro i'm not against the Bible

[gritty echo]

No, I don't need that , religions or beliefs dont have to prove themselves to others , I'm believing that it is finished , it is like this

It is personal

About spiritual peace

Not more

[thorny steeple]

its fine, no one can proof 100% certainly about anything, but atleast have 90% that what u believe is true right

[gritty echo]

Man it is not science

Or something like that , it is beliefs

[waxen vessel]

true but faith isnt a science

[gritty echo]

Faiths don't need to proving

[thorny steeple]

Matthew 7:6
"dogs do not distinguish between the holy and the unholy
pigs do not want or even understand the value of pearls as an ornament

Dogs and swine, these impure and thoroughly despised animals, represent those men who are hardened and altogether incapable of receiving evangelic truth, and to whom the holy is utterly foreign and distasteful."

[solemn frost]

Matthew 7:6 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

<6> Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.

BibleBot v11.2.0 by Kerygma Digital

[gritty echo]

It is in the word faith

[thorny steeple]

dude what

by faith u can lead to all position, u be a hindu, or muslim too

[feral river]

Faith is a shit you faked out to scam yourself

[thorny steeple]

when did i say i was against the Bible

[feral river]

Lmfao

[waxen vessel]

i dont believe in any faith tho

[feral river]

Can’t be more clear on this

[gritty echo]

You just talk like that and you have to prove that prove it just proves your faith

[sharp creek]

You can say that agian

[thorny steeple]

faith is the reason poeple give when they dont know if its true

[gritty echo]

Man faiths dont need this

[waxen vessel]

i can just understand and repect that people will believe in faiths regardless on my opinion of them

[sharp creek]

without power faith is just a toilet paper

[feral river]

Yeah exactly ignorance and pure stupid

[thorny steeple]

if its true, why are u scared of scientific srcnutrity

[gritty echo]

Bro just ignoring someone saying the opposite of him

[sharp creek]

faith cant defend you from a missile

[gritty echo]

Just talking with this christian

Because he is taking fun of that

[waxen vessel]

faith can also be viewed as a source of hope it all just depends on how you view it 🤷‍♂️

[sharp creek]

crazy middle east people

[feral river]

It can if you commit faith on the cheese burger

No problem with that

[gritty echo]

Faith can save nations in the war, because of high morale if you believe when I died for my country and I will go to heaven for this your army will be more stronger

Because of these beliefs

[thorny steeple]

Also, religions come with a lot of religious wars, soul, ghost, possessions, child sacrifice, human sacrifice, supernatural claims with no evidence, rituals, outdated morals, superstition, magic, religious justification for violence claims which go agaisnt science, afterlife, hell and heaven

[gritty echo]

Just look at the Vikings too

They died for Valhalla and they were one of the greatest warrior nations

Because of their faiths

[sharp creek]

maybe you could choose to die a little bit later, the fact is religious people like missiles far more than others

[gritty echo]

Religions are so basic don't need off All that

[thorny steeple]

Religions also go with authoritative leaders

like rather then listening to people

[gritty echo]

If you believe you believe

[thorny steeple]

ik whats good for poeple

[gritty echo]

If you don't you don't

Not more than that

[thorny steeple]

do u care if ur belief is true? is what im saying

[sharp creek]

maybe they should add a missile manual to the the Quran

[gritty echo]

Man it is my beliefs I don't have to prove it to someone

[waxen vessel]

there is no way to prove it isn't same as he can't prove it is

[thorny steeple]

if u dont then u want a comforting lie

[gritty echo]

It is just beliefs

[gritty echo]

Man it is just a faith

Not more

[thorny steeple]

until u prove smth if true the default position is it's not true

[waxen vessel]

it wouldn't affect him in either afterlife

[gritty echo]

You just think like it is math or science

[thorny steeple]

u can say comforting life

[waxen vessel]

guilty until proven innocent ahh

[thorny steeple]

no its innocent until proven guilty

u need evidence till prove its true

[sharp creek]

sorry it should be quran not bible

[gritty echo]

It is not a positive science

[waxen vessel]

not in the case of faith hence the name

[gritty echo]

They are just religions

Why do you think it must be like that

[waxen vessel]

faith is a system built on BELIEF of people

[thorny steeple]

so u believe every faith is true until proven wrong?

so every religion is true

og

[gritty echo]

Man there is no false or true beliefs ,

[waxen vessel]

im saying there is no way to prove it wrong or correct so why bother. how does it affect you

[thorny steeple]

omg

[gritty echo]

It is just beliefs

It is personal thing

[waxen vessel]

^

[sharp creek]

how do the Bible and the Quran describe what happened before Jesus was born

[thorny steeple]

religion have never been personal

[gritty echo]

No more than that if someone believes in God it does not affect your life

[thorny steeple]

Nod nod Faith is a conviction about something, or expressing and sharing something without solid evidence

[waxen vessel]

believing in a religion is personal

[thorny steeple]

it has always affected a lot of group of people

ok

[gritty echo]

It can be , it is the cultural part

[thorny steeple]

its like a conforting lie

[gritty echo]

Or nations

[thorny steeple]

u jsut wanna use faith as a word here

[gritty echo]

You can't erase it with these words

[waxen vessel]

maybe from your perspective but everybody has a different view

[gritty echo]

These faiths shaped human history

And everyone have different minds

[thorny steeple]

faith is just 4000 year old

[gritty echo]

If everyone has to think about what you like , they just read robots then

[thorny steeple]

humans were on earth for millions

[thorny steeple]

How is that relevant?

its a very recent thing

[gritty echo]

No

[gritty echo]

It is not

[thorny steeple]

.-.

[gritty echo]

Göbeklitepe is 12.000 years old ,

[thorny steeple]

a million years vc 400 years

[waxen vessel]

google says 300k 🤷‍♂️

[thorny steeple]

yea

its around 5000 to 4000

[gritty echo]

No

[thorny steeple]

wait no

[waxen vessel]

but regardless we don't have perfect view of archeological past we have no idea how long religions have been around

[thorny steeple]

lmao

[gritty echo]

It is not 4000

Do you know gobeklitepe

Founded oldest temple

It's age is 12.000 years old

And we don't know if we can find much older than this

Then it will be more old

It is history

But we know exactly known human history there were all time with faiths

We don't know much longer than this about culture , where did they live and what did they build

Or which languages there was spoken

[thorny steeple]

give me some sources

well the oldest religion is hindusism

[gritty echo]

It is history it can shape

[thorny steeple]

it doesnt mean hinduism is true tho

no, dont confuse with mythology with history

[gritty echo]

Just Google it there are tons of academic articles about göbeklitepe

[thorny steeple]

templs and physical sources can date back old

but that doesn mean what in religious text are true

[waxen vessel]

i dont believe that he was arguing that the older it is the more validity it holds

[thorny steeple]

same

[waxen vessel]

then why bring up the age being relative to truth

[thorny steeple]

idk is u consider animalism

[gritty echo]

Man I don't talk about religion

[thorny steeple]

You contradict your own words 😭

as a religion but it says thats the oldest religion

after that hinduism which is 4000

[gritty echo]

You are saying oldest is Hinduism okay it can be but oldest can be changed with archeology it is the rule of history

[thorny steeple]

idk how did u got to 300k years?

[waxen vessel]

for how long homo sapiens have been on earth lol

[thorny steeple]

ooh

[waxen vessel]

hinduism is the oldest surviving religion

[thorny steeple]

it also has a lot of problem

mysogyny

burning widows alive

[waxen vessel]

i'm just saying that there were likely religions predating that

[thorny steeple]

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/earliest-known-fossil-genus-homo-dates-28-275-million-years-ago

damn its more then 2 million years

ago

[gritty echo]

We knew neanderthals had faiths too

[thorny steeple]

ok

give me evidence

this seems alot of exaageration

[gritty echo]

Dude I don't need to bring to you evidence there is a lot of articles about it

Just research it

[thorny steeple]

this is not how a debate goes on

[waxen vessel]

fair enough i was incorrect

[thorny steeple]

u make a claim, u give evidence for it

[gritty echo]

Dude , I'm saying academically not for my personal

[thorny steeple]

has i gave mine for oldest and homos

[gritty echo]

You can even use ai to find all of that articles

[waxen vessel]

you probably shouldn't

[thorny steeple]

can u define whats faith in here?

[thorny steeple]

u can

concensus is a all scientific filled journal

and plerplexty deep research words good

[waxen vessel]

true but researching a topic on your own can give you a better understanding about what you are speaking on

[thorny steeple]

normal chatgpt wont work quite efficiently

[thorny steeple]

well u can use it to gte info from real journals

idk how to find and stop predatory journals

[waxen vessel]

true. typically i look for reliable domains and do research on the sources themselves

[gritty echo]

With rituals

They buried their dead with their belongings,

[thorny steeple]

thats not faith

[gritty echo]

And there is much of that in this rituals too

[thorny steeple]

😭

[gritty echo]

It can be too

[thorny steeple]

well they were smarter then homos and more compassionate

[thorny steeple]

the classic defination of faith is a belief in religion

[gritty echo]

We are using archeology and

Other positives science to research it

[thorny steeple]

why u using faith word here when u literally have evidence

[gritty echo]

We knew there were so many old rituals

[thorny steeple]

just say i its evidently proven

[gritty echo]

Like Göbeklitepe it is temple

[waxen vessel]

i have a lose understanding on Egyptology so i won't speak as though i know for sure but i believe they did it as a sign to rid the spirits of their earthly belongings so they could cross over (im probably wrong though)

[gritty echo]

Exactly coming from 10.000 years ago

[thorny steeple]

about 10.000 *

[gritty echo]

Bro you are just talking with like that prove it prove it but you are so lazy as to just find the articles with using ai and google

[thorny steeple]

exactly is kinda untrue

and unrelistic

[gritty echo]

Man even if you don't research it or read articles and you just say it is unrealistic

[thorny steeple]

Did Neanderthals Perform Rituals?
Yes, mounting archaeological evidence strongly suggests that Neanderthals engaged in various forms of ritual behavior, challenging earlier assumptions about their cognitive capabilities and symbolic thinking. The evidence spans multiple types of ritualistic activities, from burial practices to body ornamentation and symbolic markings.

[burnt olive]

Hey welcome me all the group members

[thorny steeple]

its impossible when u say, "exactly 10,000"

it was the wording

[feral river]

Who the fuck are will to believe the fucking shit of total fictional story

I see a lot

[thorny steeple]

same

not frictional tho

i would say mythology

which doesnt mean histroy

they both different

[feral river]

Even Donald J. Trump have to ingratiate with these people by saying bible is his fav book but he didn’t even give a fuck and he can’t site a verse

[thorny steeple]

u wouldnt say in histroy, "allah cut moon in half"

[feral river]

Now he’s deporting everyone who oppose him as expected

[thorny steeple]

hes a politician

he would use anything for political gain

[feral river]

Xi Jinping or Putin would definitely not give a single fuck to them

[thorny steeple]

they are extremee

they kill religious poeple

i want people to have right to criticize religion

[gritty echo]

Man are you an idiot I'm talking about oldest founding temples and founding symbols or rituals coming from unknown history but are you saying this to mee

[thorny steeple]

im talking to her

i jsut wanna finish by sayin

[gritty echo]

Believes are much older than you thinking

[thorny steeple]

i want a society where people believe in most true thing as possible and the least lies or unknown as possible

[gritty echo]

The oldest systemic religion can be Hinduism

[thorny steeple]

im not agaisnt temples

[gritty echo]

But there is much older than that

[thorny steeple]

mosque church

they are all architectural goerous things

[gritty echo]

And you're just saying no it is wrong

[gritty echo]

Man you just ignoring göbeklitepe a few sentences up

[thorny steeple]

i was saying the dating is too unconvining

[waxen vessel]

that would stop a lot of malice but different opinions will always exist

[gritty echo]

It is coming from the unknown history but you just want to believe what you want and just ignoring

Do you know Mal-Ta Buret Culture

[thorny steeple]

Göbekli Tepe, which predates Stonehenge by some 6,000 years,

[gritty echo]

Yes it is,

[thorny steeple]

u can have a different opinion about philosophy

religion is just a bullshit

it has the buden of proof

when u add religion

[gritty echo]

It is Göbeklitepe

[waxen vessel]

when we talk about religion are we talking about the faith itself or things like churchs

[thorny steeple]

u have to think and act in according to their religious books and u cant even question the book

that why it leads so so many irrational things

[gritty echo]

It is the oldest building we found

From coming bc 9600-9500

[waxen vessel]

so the issue is people using religion as a law to their life instead of a guide

[thorny steeple]

it was 11,000 years

i got u

[gritty echo]

Yes it is

[thorny steeple]

[versed olive]

In some ways it is also helpful, they just needs some modern modifications

[thorny steeple]

yeah if u cherry pick all the good things and remove the disturbing things

[waxen vessel]

that probably won't happen because "who are we to alter the will of god" will become an issue

[thorny steeple]

and also the helpful things is already found in humans

[thorny steeple]

EXACTLY

👆

[versed olive]

That's why i said modifications to that disturbing stuff can be eliminated

[thorny steeple]

BC GODS THE ULTIMATE

maybe im wrong

[thorny steeple]

it cant

[versed olive]

Bible has gone through modifications over the years, i never saw this issue

[thorny steeple]

chruch wont let u enter

muslims will kiss u

[waxen vessel]

actually?

[thorny steeple]

kill*

[versed olive]

Yes

[waxen vessel]

sorry for my ignorance i don't follow any religions lol

[thorny steeple]

ok im off man

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[versed olive]

I don't too

[thorny steeple]

il meet you later

when i see god

[waxen vessel]

gn cya

[gritty echo]

Oh China warned Israel about all army activities stopped

[versed olive]

*Me too

[gritty echo]

Wow it is fresh new

[versed olive]

?? What?

[gritty echo]

Yes it is fresh new

.

Speaking to CCTV, Ambassador Fu Cong expressed alarm over reports that Israel has targeted nuclear facilities in Iran, calling the move "another red line that Israel has crossed."

Fu emphasized that Beijing firmly opposes any expansion of conflict in West Asia and warned of the serious repercussions Israel’s actions could have on regional stability. He reiterated China’s commitment to upholding the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity, urging all parties to exercise restraint and avoid further provocation.

[versed olive]

How fresh? I am seeing 1 day 12 h and 6h old news posts, where china is just concerned for his citizens in Iran

[gritty echo]

Man Israel just fucking stupid

They damaged Iran nuclear facility's

And then radioactive leak after that reported

[versed olive]

Well, China is always speaks against US, as Israel has full beckoning of US thus china speaks against Israel

[versed olive]

Damn

[eager geyser]

chernobyl 2 is here

[gritty echo]

It can causes so many fucking results

Not just for Iran, For Azerbaijan Armenia , Iraq , Arabia and for turkey too

All of these Geography

Can take effects from it

Israel is crossing the line

[eager geyser]

What do you expect from Jews

[gritty echo]

Damaging the nuclear facility caused by the radiation leak had no difference with using nuke

[eager geyser]

they all dumb

[gritty echo]

Radioactive is the same

Pfff

[eager geyser]

have to make soap from them

[gritty echo]

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Rafael Grossi informed the United Nations Security Council on Friday that Israel’s recent airstrike on Iran’s Natanz nuclear facility has resulted in “radioactive and chemical contamination".

“Israel destroyed the above-ground part of the Natanz nuclear facility,” Grossi stated. “There are no indications of damage to the underground enrichment facilities at the site, but the power outage may have affected the centrifuges. There is radioactive and chemical contamination at the site.”

Fucking idiots

[eager geyser]

radioactive is not that much

but its still dangerous

[gritty echo]

Hopefully it is like that but if missiles caused damage to main facilities

I don't want to think about that

[eager geyser]

natanz is in isfahan
and many people live there and isfahan is crowded
if things goes bad, well be fucked up

hope these mfs stop

[versed olive]

Nuclear sites were present under the hills where Israel attacked

It can be controlled but Iran regime doesn't care for its citizens

[high raven]

You're making it sound like it's their fault for getting bombed

[versed olive]

💯

[gritty echo]

And the bombed site is a nuclear facility

Well weel

[versed olive]

What do you think Iran was doing with those nuclear sites? They're making Atomic bombs

[gritty echo]

Most of countrys doing it

China , USA , Russia , most of Europe countries

Iran

You talking like just Iran doing it

[high raven]

You don't seem to know that Israel has an undisclosed amount of nuclear warheads since they don't allow UN inspectors to see them

[gritty echo]

Nah

[versed olive]

An #1 Terrorist exporting country having nuclear weapons who have taken oath several times to annihilate Israel from its existence

[toxic glade]

Israel has a stockpile of nuclear weapons

You know, the country currently committing a genocide

[gritty echo]

Yes

[gritty echo]

Who is the terrorist than

[toxic glade]

Perhaps the global community should be more concerned with this, if that is a reason for war, as you say

[gritty echo]

Iran or Israel with this actions

[toxic glade]

“Terrorist” isn’t an applicable label here, but Israel is the aggressor in both of its current conflicts

Well, in its current conflict and its current genocide

[versed olive]

Historically, Israel hasn't really been the aggressor in their wars. The existence of Israel is cited as the reason for others to try to destroy them, but for the most part they just want to be there. Giving their enemies nukes just seems like a great way to let them wipe Israel off the map and be done with it.

[high raven]

How is this any different from Israeli politicians in the Knesset saying that they'll raze Gaza and turn Lebanon into their summer vacation spot?

[versed olive]

Ofcource, has it used it? Or said to use it on any country?

[toxic glade]

They haven’t needed to, because the US funds their genocide of the Palestinian people

[high raven]

Are you purposefully ignoring the 1956 Suez canal war and the 1967 war?

[versed olive]

Was it official like Iran?

[toxic glade]

Would Netanyahu fire nukes into Palestine and Iran if he thought he was going to lose? Absolutely he would

The man is a war criminal

[high raven]

Politicians in the Knesset are officially elected yes

[versed olive]

I guess you're talking about Gaza strip? Because Israel haven't attacked on eastern Palastine

[toxic glade]

The ongoing genocide, yes

[high raven]

This is incredibly misinformed

[versed olive]

You don't know what 'official' is then

[gritty echo]

It isn't changing anything, genocide is genocide don't matter who was genociding

[versed olive]

Not a genocide if it's targeting Terrorists, a hospital in Gaza was Hamas's underground station.

[gritty echo]

Or who is doing it

[toxic glade]

They are purposefully targeting civilians, paramedics, journalists, and those attempting to deliver aid

Just so you’re aware

[gritty echo]

Many cities are destroyed babies are dead even though these people don't have anything to live in,

They are just bombing everything in this era

[versed olive]

Gaza is an active war region, what do you think would happen to those aid workers if they enter it?

[gritty echo]

Terrorist or not it doesn't matter for them

[toxic glade]

They would be killed by IDF soldiers in blatant war crimes

[versed olive]

Same goes for others. That isn't purposefully

[toxic glade]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/04/palestinian-red-crescent-details-medics-account-of-15-colleagues-slaughter

[toxic glade]

You do not honestly hold this belief

Because it is impossible to pretend that Israel is not purposefully targeting civilians

[eager geyser]

isreal is doing this cuz america wants it

[high raven]

I guess I don't, their deputy speaker Vituri with his "wipe Gaza off the face of the earth" isn't officially elected then, neither must their finance minister Smotrich be with him calling all Gazans nazi's that must be dealt with

I guess I'm wrong

[gritty echo]

Yeah nice war then

Destroying everything = we are defeating Hamas

[versed olive]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu forged an emergency government on Wednesday to direct war against Hamas, and his defence minister vowed to wipe the Palestinian militant group "off the face of the earth" over its deadly weekend attack.

Is it which you were citing?

[eager geyser]

last nights sky

[versed olive]

If it wanted to, he would have swept all civilians of Gaza in one attack. But I'm aware of Israel trying to displace Gazans out of Israel

[toxic glade]

You are aware of Israel ordering the mass murder of innocent Palestinians

This genocide has been ongoing for decades

[high raven]

Here's a short article covering it, you quoted the wrong person https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

[toxic glade]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

[gritty echo]

Man they are trying to take off the Muslim population there , and after that they can make their Israel part

Israel has been doing it for like 60-70 years

Not new

[high raven]

Here's the actual post, if BBC is antisemitic according to you https://x.com/nissimv/status/1710694866009596169

ניסים ואטוריNissim Vaturi🇮🇱 (@nissimv)

עכשיו שמים את כל המחלוקות בצד, יש לי הרבה מה לומר אבל יהיה מספיק זמן לביקורת עצמית וחשבון נפש על כל מה שקדם לאסון הבוקר.
עכשיו כולנו במטרה אחת משותפת- מחיקת רצועת עזה מעל פני האדמה. מי שלא מסוגל ...

X · Oct 7, 2023, 4:33 PM

[toxic glade]

https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-arab-fms-meet-blinken-israel-strikes-ambulances

Many, many cases of Israel directly attacking civilian medical workers

[high raven]

They're all Khamas

[toxic glade]

Of course, that schoolgirl was just Khamas in disguise!

They had no choice but to magdump her

[versed olive]

Wtf, are you dűmb? Can't you yourself see last pic was taken before the first pic. There are many structures which are absent in 2nd pic as they haven't been constructed, please don't fabricate and confuse us.
If I'm misunderstanding, then tell me what to observe in it?

[toxic glade]

Every hospital is actually just a Khamas military base

[versed olive]

Also there is nothing to. Observe in other pics

[toxic glade]

Every ambulance is a Khamas APC

Every starving child is just a really small terrorist

[high raven]

Kasim is Turkish for "November"

[gritty echo]

Ahahaha

Yes

[verbal torrent]

Kasım

[toxic glade]

Journalists, of course, are naturally working for the terrorists

[gritty echo]

They don't have ı on their keyboard not a big deal

[toxic glade]

Israel is forced to kill all of these civilians.. Naturally

[versed olive]

Damnnnnnnnnnnn, how brainwashed you all are.
Can you at least go back more years and see Muslims took over that region from other civilizations, it wasn't always of Muslims.

[verbal torrent]

I thought he is trtksh

[torn otter]

A night under stars makes you feel more loved than a crowded party.

One walk near trees heals you more than hours of talking to people who don’t “get” you.

[versed olive]

It was always those green parts which starts the war and Israel ends it and taked control of the region. Also, the borders are made by Britishers not Israelies.

[gritty echo]

Man you just trying to normalize genocide and destruction and you are trying to say Arabs are imperialist because they take this land

[toxic glade]

You ignore these war crimes because you are already aware of them, and you support them

[gritty echo]

This land was home for tons of civilization and language and religions

Not just for only Arabs or Jews

[toxic glade]

Happy for you

[high raven]

Unpaid Hasbara work makes no sense

[versed olive]

UN
“Burn Gaza now, nothing less!” When the deputy speaker of Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, posted this comment on X in November, the platform blocked him and asked him to delete it

Yeah "official".
You don't know the meaning of official.

[high raven]

😂

[toxic glade]

If they justify genocide for long enough, Netanyahu will personally visit them and call them a shill

They might be allowed to kill paramedics alongside the IDF

[gritty echo]

Bro is just trying to normalize crimes and genocides

[torn otter]

Introvert things , i didn't knew introvert and stuff but i chat gpt that why i got drained by superficial talks no meaning and surface no personality. In my first year i use to thought that not talking to people when they came is rude but believe me my soul was dying. Chit chat continous, I don't hate talking. I like to talk but like soul level talk i am huge empath so deep conversation is my love. But no such people around me like that so i put headphones and listen to music and dive into that feel

[gritty echo]

Man you just say they are killing only khamas but there are tons of civilization deaths

[versed olive]

I'm just countring your point in my reply to you. First you've to prove the claim of yours if it's genocide of civilians. I am against genocide of any kind.

[high raven]

Even the ICJ is wrong!

[toxic glade]

No country should be burned, but the Israeli government and every IDF soldier needs to stand trial for the atrocities they have committed

[gritty echo]

No you are not

Don't lie

[thorny steeple]

70% are woman and children

[toxic glade]

Israel has a long road ahead of it to compensate the world for its genocide

[versed olive]

And Jews are also one of them

[torn otter]

wrong tag bud

[toxic glade]

You are clearly not against genocide

I have shown you many articles providing evidence of the genocide occurring in Gaza

[gritty echo]

Arabs too. Egyptians too , Turks too , Sumers too , hitits too , mongols too ,

[thorny steeple]

120 countries (from the NAM) condemn Israel for the ruthless and blind destruction of civilians and agree that this crime is a cruel genocide!

https://www.newarab.com/news/non-aligned-movement-condemns-israels-onslaught-gaza

[gritty echo]

Persians too

[dapper laurel]

The word genocide is much overused these days

[gritty echo]

Christian crusade too

But today in these land of people is mostly muslim

[toxic glade]

Netanyahu will spend the rest of his life behind bars for the atrocities he has committed

[gritty echo]

You cant normalize the deaths

[versed olive]

Point out where i am trying to normalise a genocide.

[torn otter]

I dont understand why no one talks about hindu genocide in Bangladesh, also where was international media in kashmir exodus

[gritty echo]

Tou just saying Israel just killing khamas and destroying school and hospitals because they are base

[torn otter]

Selective stand oh yes wow ya i see

[dapper laurel]

Deaths are normal in wars

[gritty echo]

But in there tons of civils babies

[thorny steeple]

this is not a punishment

[gritty echo]

Woman's innocent people too

You are trying to say hey it is okay to bomb there because there is khamas

[thorny steeple]

In just half the time, Israel has killed over 20 times more children in Gaza than Russia has in Ukraine. Over 20 times. "Deaths are normal"

[gritty echo]

Just shut up your mouth

You cant kill civilians like that

You cant kill baby's

[toxic glade]

These were massive global events that drew the attention of the international community, so I am not sure what your point is at all

[gritty echo]

Even pillagers in mc doesn't kill baby villagers

[dapper laurel]

Whether they are civilian or military deaths, well, it's just normal that they exist on both sides, it's always happened, it's always been like this, and it will continue to happen

[gritty echo]

Israel killing them

Babies , women , children's

Why because khamas

Yeah I see

[toxic glade]

Israel is purposefully murdering civilians by the way

Just so you’re aware

[torn otter]

S**u genocide is genocide , come research then talk stupid

[thorny steeple]

is just a cheap excuse to continue committing genocide

[dapper laurel]

There is no point in bringing up ethics when there are deaths on both sides, Jews killed people, Arabs killed people. But we can give another value to death, it must be something heroic

[toxic glade]

Actually, there is

Murdering paramedics is a war crime

Mag dumping a teenage girl and then laughing about it is a war crime

[dapper laurel]

Hamas did it too, so does ethics really make sense in this case? I don't think so. War is not ethical at all

[gritty echo]

Not just that Armenians made genocide to Azerbaijan , Serbians made genocide to Bosnians even in the forest They founding unknown skeletons

USSR made tons of genocide

[toxic glade]

Interesting, so Hamas is currently in Israel committing mass murder against civilians?

[gritty echo]

Even Turkic horse Ahal Teke

Americans killed indians

[toxic glade]

Hamas is currently starving the people of Israel?

[gritty echo]

I don't want to talk about even africa

[toxic glade]

Hamas is massacring journalists?

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-shocked-funny-memes-gif-2651717394134726385

[dapper laurel]

They did it as an act of war and now they are suffering the consequences

[thorny steeple]

more like israel

[gritty echo]

Not living in India , I mean natives of America

[thorny steeple]

ik

[toxic glade]

Ahhhhhh, so all war crimes are justified then

Well, why didn’t you just say so?

I mean, that’s so simple

[gritty echo]

And on the 21th still someone trying normalizing it

[toxic glade]

Iran was attacked by Israel, so they are allowed to massacre as many civilians as they want

I mean, that’s how it works, right?

[dapper laurel]

Has war ever been ethical? Simply not, so it's normal for these things to happen, they have always happened and will always happen

[toxic glade]

No ethics to debate here, the murder of Israeli citizens is justified by the fact that they attacked Iran

[gritty echo]

Even someone said damaging Iran's nuclear facility is okey because they are making nukes , man all of the most of countrys have that

[toxic glade]

Perhaps one day you will live in a war zone

[gritty echo]

Why no one attacking others nuclear facilitys then

[dapper laurel]

I hope so

[toxic glade]

Perhaps then you will develop even the tiniest shred of empathy for other humans

[gritty echo]

They caused radiation leak

[dapper laurel]

War is the hygiene of the world

[gritty echo]

Just stop thinking from your ass brain is in head

[dapper laurel]

War ennobles and purifies the soul

[torn otter]

Ussr made genocide? Red army made killings , U know meaning of genocide? Kashmir exodus was different planned systematic killing of same people by their neighbours like jews extermination. This is different .
Afrika yes genocides of too much by tribes. Armenian Azerbaijan one is not genocide

[gritty echo]

Do You know holodomor

[toxic glade]

The Armenian genocide was an atrocity btw

[gritty echo]

Or what USSR did to in middle Asia

Or in Caucasia

[toxic glade]

Just fyi that all genocides are bad, in case you didn’t know that

Easy mistake to make, I get it

[gritty echo]

You're just still trying to normalize someone by killing people

[gritty echo]

Armenian isn't genocide wtf do you know anything about Hocalı Massacre

[torn otter]

oh ya my condolences sorry that was bad

[gritty echo]

By tribes seriously

Europa made human zoos to show Africans in there

[dapper laurel]

What should I do with empathy towards people who live thousands of miles away from me, with whom I don't share values, culture or ways of doing things?

[gritty echo]

You know it right

You are just still trying to normalize it

[toxic glade]

If you have empathy only for those who look like you, you have no empathy at all

[gritty echo]

Where are you from

[toxic glade]

If you believe in a god, I hope that god judges you as you deserve

And if you do not, I hope the world treats you as you treat others

[thorny steeple]

Dont speak like this

[dapper laurel]

I don't need to feel empathy for people who hate my culture and values

[gritty echo]

Blocked

[toxic glade]

You are the only one with hatred here

[gritty echo]

Yoman

[torn otter]

Armenian genocide by 1915-1917 by ottoman empire not Azerbaijan.

[gritty echo]

I dont wanna see messages coming from trying to normalize war crimes and genocides like that

[dapper laurel]

No hate. Just because I don't feel empathy for them doesn't mean I hate them, it's just none of my business

[gritty echo]

Even he doesn't know History

[torn otter]

No i want to differentiate here that mass killings but mass killings in fueled by hate racism with intent of extermination of entire population is different.

[gritty echo]

And saying to me brainwashed

[toxic glade]

You are the very type of person who allowed the Nazi regime to kill so many, through callous and cruel disinterest in the lives of any other than yourself

[gritty echo]

Xd

[feral river]

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[dapper laurel]

These are completely different situations, I simply cannot impose my morals on others, you can't do it too

[toxic glade]

You are choosing to be blind to genocide, because you do not care about any life that isn’t directly related to you, it is as simple as that

You have written off an entire country’s worth of people for the simple crime of having a different skin colour, a different culture, a different society

[torn otter]

I was not talking about that most afrikan countries genocides like ghana , sudan , nambia they were tribal based. I was not talking about that racial discrimination and oppression thats not genocide

[dapper laurel]

Imposing a moral or ethical boundary on other people goes against the fundamental principle of individual freedom, I do not tell others what to do and I do not want others to do the same to me. As long as I'm not involved, then it's not my problem

[toxic glade]

You are happy to watch people be murdered, I know, you said this already

[feral river]

I sure don’t care anyone that isn’t related to me, why I was entitled to care that shit ?

Am I god ? Or the President of the United States of the World

[torn otter]

Yes

[feral river]

They don’t even pay taxes why would I have to care them lmfao

[dapper laurel]

It's not a crime, but if there is no mutual respect, I don't feel the need to intervene or to impose some ethical burden on anyone

[toxic glade]

When they come for you, do not ask “why is nobody standing up for me?”

[thorny steeple]

"As long as Im not involved its not my problem" I bet youre an atheist

[torn otter]

Ofcourse. Just like money without value

[toxic glade]

You are okay with murder, yes

[dapper laurel]

I'm not happy, nor sad, I just don't care, it doesn't touch me

[toxic glade]

You are just repeating the same thing

[feral river]

If you want care from me no problem I got you my account link and pay 50% of your income to that and I will sure bring the best care in the world for you

[feral river]

Ofc I don’t ask I don’t need a bunch of losers who only know to shit for care lmfao

[dapper laurel]

I repeat, I'm not with anyone, I'm just not outraged and I don't care

[toxic glade]

I don’t see the point in repeating that you feel murder is acceptable as long as you are not the one being murdered

[feral river]

Even we can crash all of you guys without noticing

[toxic glade]

We have established this

[dapper laurel]

I don't need to say "ah this is wrong" to feel better about myself, with better morals

[feral river]

Bunch of losers who don’t have any powers like to say something lmao

[feral river]

You don’t care you are nothing

You care that you are nothing

But I don’t even say that, I was everything and I say what is care

[torn otter]

love to see people just discording without any thought process and empathy

[gritty echo]

https://tenor.com/view/mongol-empire-evelotion-demographics-gif-17340392

[feral river]

Because I’m with the guy who hold the money and guns

We crash you without noticing

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately, the existence of every people is based on oppression, human groups cannot live together. I don't agree with this, but I can't prevent this from happening either, because it's rooted in human nature

[toxic glade]

I do not understand anything you are saying

[thorny steeple]

@feral river if you don't care about the genocide then you are part of the problem

Are u even a human?

[toxic glade]

This is just what you have to believe in order to justify not caring about oppression in the slightest

[gritty echo]

Even the ironic part of it Chinese people were murdered by a lot of different nations even though they murdered themselves

[dapper laurel]

Have those who care actually done anything about it? Because it's still going on

[toxic glade]

I know where you stand, there is truly nothing left to be said

[gritty echo]

Mao Zedong have 80 million kda in china

[toxic glade]

You cannot convince someone who is dedicated to not caring that they should have empathy for people

[dapper laurel]

If I cared I'd be a hypocrite

[thorny steeple]

Nobody is asking you to save the world. But "I don't care"... you guys have no humanity

[feral river]

You are nothing

[toxic glade]

Your English is just hard to read, sorry

[toxic glade]

If you cared, you would be compelled to speak out

But that is too much of an inconvenience for you

[gritty echo]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-zedong-china-gif-20663734

[feral river]

Can’t care less, come execute me for that assh

Loser

[toxic glade]

You wouldn’t use execute in this context

[thorny steeple]

If u imagine a place on earth where 8 billion people stop meat-based diet, now if u have to shift all of them to vegan, u have to make a lot of land reserves for crops and trees. THAT means LAKHS OF ACRES OF LAND for crops and trees. its gonna use alot of water, its gonna use a lot of pesticled to kill insects like grasshoppers, worms, centipedes, millipede, snails, snake and some animals don't even harm the crops like ladybug and bees, and if this is increased in level of lakhs of acres its possible for them insects to go inctinct if that happens thats bad news for birds cus they hav to change the food source and that would have big ecological disrupt in cycle of life

It's NOT JUST LIMITED TO INSECTS. If these lands are taken, that means it will be taken from wildlife. It's a threat to animal populations

And also if nobody eats chicken, cows, eggs, pigs, humans will abandon these animals because theirs no benefit for growing this, and this means they will go extinct too, as they don't have wildlife survival skills like jaws, claws, speed, or size, they are hugely dependent on humans

and also prices would go high in this bc of intense demand and no supply

and people who live around desert countries have no other choice but to eat animals, and in Africa, where there are not a lot fo fertile agricultural lands

[toxic glade]

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, but execute isn’t the right word

[olive fractal]

I don’t mind it, he‘s just a classic keyboard warrior lol

[thorny steeple]

with this you have executed your morals

[feral river]

I use it, and I provide guns for execution

[thorny steeple]

veganism will ruin earths ecosystem in ways u cannot imagine

[toxic glade]

It doesn’t make sense in your sentence

[dapper laurel]

Have those who care done anything concrete instead? It's easy to talk from the keyboard, but how many would fight for oppressed people?

[toxic glade]

But it’s reflective of a greater problem in society nowadays

[gritty echo]

He doesn't need to do your people , your people exterminate well even your own leaders

[feral river]

I don’t need to give a fuck to toilet paper

Your moral is a shit to me

[toxic glade]

The continued pressure from activist groups, the constant reporting from journalists, the foreign aid workers doing their best every day, and finally world governments are starting to denounce Israel and its genocide

[feral river]

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[toxic glade]

It has taken decades, but we are making progress

To give up is simply cowardice

[gritty echo]

https://tenor.com/view/mongols-horde-horsemen-warrior-khan-gif-19097375

[feral river]

Your moral rules, in my eye all shit ass combined to limit yourself

[gritty echo]

China wall colorized

[dapper laurel]

Has the genocide stopped by any chance?

[toxic glade]

What does this mean?

[gritty echo]

[feral river]

Can’t care less we hold the guns

[toxic glade]

Genocide can’t be stopped with a flick of the wrist. It took a world war to stop Hitler.

Progress is being made towards ending the genocide, and that progress will continue

In spite of people like you

[gritty echo]

The modern China army hasn't tested yet

[toxic glade]

And when it is all over, you will not be able to say “I didn’t know,” but only “I didn’t care”

[gritty echo]

You talk like that but your army doesn't have any war experience

In The modern days

[thorny steeple]

Haha

how low can people sink

[gritty echo]

Just sitting in your country and petting Kim jong UN had

[dapper laurel]

So you want another war to stop them? Even more destruction? More genocides possibly? You see that you are contradicting yourself, but it isn't your fault, it's simply your intrinsic nature that emerges

[feral river]

Try it

You are welcome

[gritty echo]

Most nations try it well

[feral river]

We had the machine gun at the border

[gritty echo]

And mostly you are the losers side

[toxic glade]

You do not believe that World War 2 was immoral, you merely refuse to have any beliefs

[feral river]

Oh yeah ? Come see who’s the loser side

[toxic glade]

Because if you hold no beliefs, you can never be challenged on them

[feral river]

We are the second most powerful state in the world

[gritty echo]

Mongols old Turkic Nations , Britiains , Japanaes

[feral river]

We have every type of wmds to destroy anyone

We can destroy the whole world 10 times more

Who’s the loser here

[thorny steeple]

U are nothing

[gritty echo]

No

[dapper laurel]

In fact I have no logical flaws, you are the one who has them

[gritty echo]

China army is all about numbers not more

[toxic glade]

Defending a people from genocide is a just cause. Committing war crimes is wrong. It is quite simple

But you, who has no beliefs, cannot understand such a thing

[feral river]

Lmfao mongols got their shit land Japanese losers got nuked, Britain was nothing but a puppet of the United States

[dapper laurel]

I would say that China is now one of the strongest countries in the world, and if you don't believe me, at least check it out

[feral river]

What the fuck are you talking about these losers ?

[gritty echo]

Yeah you death from hungry even your president did that

[dapper laurel]

Don't use history to discredit current nations

[toxic glade]

I think it’s mostly your English making it hard to have a conversation

[dapper laurel]

It makes no sense

[toxic glade]

Or maybe you just don’t understand our English, I’m not sure

[gritty echo]

You are the loser too

[dapper laurel]

Where are you from lil bro?

[gritty echo]

Turkey

[dapper laurel]

Lol

[gritty echo]

Xd

[thorny steeple]

@feral river biggest looser

protects the perpetrators

[thorny steeple]

pure scum

[dapper laurel]

Turkey in recent history

[gritty echo]

https://tenor.com/view/atatya-gif-4528637035678097507

[thorny steeple]

@feral river
and boasts of being able to destroy the world 10 times. How low can one sink?

[dapper laurel]

I think this is more relevant than some ancient invasions

[feral river]

Don’t give a fuck

[toxic glade]

Like, you don’t give a fuck, you mean?

[dapper laurel]

Only a Greek/Albanian could have saved Turkey from such humiliation

[feral river]

Lmao let’s see who will win the war

[gritty echo]

Yeah after only 2.5 years we Saved our country well

[gritty echo]

Man you can rage baiting to mee

Well

[dapper laurel]

Europeans had no interest in wastelands after all

[feral river]

A bunch of guy who only knows to speak against the guy hold the organized professional military and modern equipment with WMDs

[toxic glade]

Sorry, can you try again?

[feral river]

In face of my 7.62mm you are nothing but a fucking dead flesh

[toxic glade]

I do not understand what you’re trying to say

[feral river]

Say whatever you want doesn’t stop you from being a loser

Lmfao

[thorny steeple]

and you defend the genocide perpetrators

[toxic glade]

This is better but I meant the first one

[gritty echo]

@dapper laurel where are you from

[toxic glade]

By try again I mean can you try to put it into different words

Because it doesn’t really make sense the way you said it

[thorny steeple]

you are dead. that you defend the genocide shows your humanity is dead

[feral river]

Lmfao I exist above you loser

[dapper laurel]

I'm 🇦🇹🇮🇹
One stopped the Turks in Vienna, the other dominated Anatolia for more than 200 years

[toxic glade]

Like, in space?

[feral river]

Gather against me ? Guess what you will have, bombs, guns, tanks

[toxic glade]

Or do you mean metaphorically, like a religious ascension?

[feral river]

Lmfao a moving dead flesh want to use fist to fight against professional army

That was so fucked

[gritty echo]

Puahahhaj Italia what a shame

[toxic glade]

So when you say “a moving dead flesh” do you mean a zombie?

[dapper laurel]

Not to mention Libya, we conquered it from the Turks like a walk in the park

[gritty echo]

Man you are have Benito Mussolini in your History

[thorny steeple]

I have no words for u

[gritty echo]

And otherwise funny mustache man too

[dapper laurel]

And we're still more developed

[feral river]

Oh say something about your net worth prove it

[gritty echo]

Ahahahaha

[feral river]

What’s your total net worth

Do you have a gun ?

[thorny steeple]

defend genocide and "I am above you" pure scum

[gritty echo]

Yes you didn't invade even Greece without German support - Great Italian Army

[toxic glade]

Oh, I can actually understand this one!

Good job

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire that's your history instead

[gritty echo]

Even Benito Mussolini is just a shame in history

[feral river]

You probably can’t even appear in statistics based on the current economy model

[gritty echo]

At least we don't have human zoos

[feral river]

Poor broke ass does not count

[toxic glade]

I feel like if you gave it like 10 years of study you could learn English

How many years have you practiced?

[dapper laurel]

How can Turkey have oppressed all the neighboring peoples and still be a shithole?

Skill issue

[gritty echo]

The person telling me is got scammed by great Britain in ww1

Xd

[cosmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-nanana-gif-3971211138439778560

https://tenor.com/view/stuart-bob-minions-pyramid-bulb-gif-14294200

[dapper laurel]

You literally lost your empire because of Britain lil bro

[gritty echo]

Even we took land from your own land

[gritty echo]

You literally lost everything because of the old socialist new fascist bald guy

Even Germany invade you after seeing your loses

Xd

What a shame

[dapper laurel]

We just lost our colonies and some small lands

[gritty echo]

And your honor too

[dapper laurel]

You don't really know history

[gritty echo]

Ahahahahaha

[dapper laurel]

Turkey has never had any honor, look how it is now, you probably don't even live in Türkiye

[gritty echo]

Mehmet the Conqueror laught at this from his ass

[dapper laurel]

Sprechen Sie meine Sprache?

[gritty echo]

Never Honer puhaahaj we can at least defend our land

[dapper laurel]

Thinking about the past, ignoring your present, maybe that's why turkey is so backward lol

Enjoy hyperinflation lil bro

[gritty echo]

Who said Italy is not backward too south Italia is the most trashed thing I ever seen

[dapper laurel]

In fact they are genetically close to the Turks and Greeks, those are your brothers

[gritty echo]

Ahahahah

You just ignored your own part then

You aren't even honored by your country

What a shame

[dapper laurel]

What do you mean lol?

[manic juniper]

Isn't he the guy who conquered what was basically the sick man of Europe of the 15th century

It'd be like conquering Liechtenstein and pretending you conquered the Holy Roman Empire because it's all that is left of it

[olive fractal]

lmao

[neon sierra]

💀

[thorny steeple]

Source ❓️

[dapper laurel]

Random history book

Any history book

[manic juniper]

Russia too

It's beyond me how a country can be imperialistic to such extent and still suck

[thorny steeple]

Thats not a source

[dapper laurel]

It doesn't even take an average IQ to understand that a people conquered by another people militarily is going to be oppressed

[manic juniper]

He forgot an empire centred around Anatolia

[dapper laurel]

Starting from this premise, slavery in the Ottoman era is a fairly well-known thing

[thorny steeple]

Then you should be able to prove it easily why are you avoiding the source when its supposedly so obvious?

[neon sierra]

say wallah

[thorny steeple]

otherwise it is toilet paper what you are talking about

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greek_genocide

[manic juniper]

And the Sayfo too, the Assyrian genocide

[neon sierra]

they usually just call it the armenian genocide

[manic juniper]

The unholy trinity of genocides

[neon sierra]

idk why

[manic juniper]

Who

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

[neon sierra]

the armenian genocide happened at the same time as the assyrian one but they usually just name armenians while other christian minorities got genocided as well

[dapper laurel]

They will say that nothing happened, my effort is in vain

[manic juniper]

Those photos are false, they clearly used AI in the early 20th century to create them

[manic juniper]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel This is only regarding 2 and does not prove that Türkiye has all oppressed neighboring peoples ❗️

[dapper laurel]

"The Jews want us to believe all this".
We are going to hear this

[neon sierra]

i get why the government denies the genocides because they are not interested in paying for their wrongdoings but idk why the people itself denies the genocides

[thorny steeple]

individual cases and not "all" as you say here

[dapper laurel]

Because they are ashamed of them

Because that means their national heroes weren't so perfect after all

[dapper laurel]

The slavery during the Ottoman empire is pretty indicative

[static pivot]

[neon sierra]

what about my emoji idea

[manic juniper]

Idk sometimes I feel like their entire education system is full of alternative history

[static pivot]

What idea

[neon sierra]

kurdistan emoji

[static pivot]

[thorny steeple]

only isolated cases and not "all neighbors were oppressed" nonsense from u

[manic juniper]

It's why they all give the same answers or replies

[static pivot]

Turkish will hate me

[neon sierra]

at least for one day

it will be fun

[static pivot]

ask nur

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately, military occupation is already a form of oppression. Do you understand this?

[neon sierra]

can we replace nur with emilia

[dapper laurel]

[neon sierra]

[dapper laurel]

I don't know how I can be clearer

[manic juniper]

I want history to repeat itself (as it did 253 million years ago)

[neon sierra]

kind of the…

[manic juniper]

[thorny steeple]

this is still no proof that all neighboring countries were oppressed

[static pivot]

@azure brook you've a hater

[manic juniper]

The janissaries being kidnapped from the Balkans

People converted to Islam so their children wouldn't get kidnapped

[dapper laurel]

Military occupation is a form of oppression------>Turkey has militarily occupied all its neighbors-------->The Turks oppressed all their neighbors

Do you understand now?

[neon sierra]

i mean if shes gonna be triggered by the flag she’s not fitting the role and emilia held her racist side to herself

[gritty echo]

If there are only 2 boys in the ottoman empire taking one them , giving education and they can become elite soldiers , or can have word at government,

[neon sierra]

[manic juniper]

Can I kidnap a Palestinian child, they are already getting bombed anyway

[gritty echo]

The Ottoman Empire isn't only one nation empire as well so many different nations lived under this flag

[manic juniper]

I can provide him with an home that won't get bombed, free education and public healthcare

Also a reindeer if he really wishes

[gritty echo]

Even Armenians called until ww1 , Milleti Sadika means loyal nation

In Ottoman Empire

[manic juniper]

Yeah which is why their genocide is even more baffling

[gritty echo]

We had a lot of Armenian scientists, artists

Even after the independence war

[thorny steeple]

Turkey had by no means occupied all of its neighbors what you say but have no evidence (at least so far)

[dapper laurel]

After this I no longer believe in the human race, we will become extinct

[thorny steeple]

Some were occupied. You say all. But no evidence.

[manic juniper]

Yeah luckily they never conquered the entire fucking world

[gritty echo]

We don't try to kill all Armenians even genocide numbers are even real their population wasn t much as say that in the ottoman archive , Russians saying the same thing too, Armenian gerillas or in turkey we saying çeteci massacred Turkish civilian villages , murdered boys raped girls and after than killed them we have a lot of archive in turkey to so ottoman empire take a decision about migration of Armenias too different place

[neon sierra]

we lived in the same cites an villages as the armenians

i wish things hadn’t turned this way

[manic juniper]

You lost Andos, Turkey never occupied the entire world including Antarctica. Thus no evidence

[gritty echo]

Just imagine if your neighbor is killing you because some major power gives them money for doing it

[manic juniper]

Russians deny the Circassian genocide, Turks deny the Armenian genocide. Who is lying?

[gritty echo]

And the ottoman was in ww1 in these years

[dapper laurel]

I have to accept defeat it seems

[manic juniper]

But the thing is nothing proves this was a widespread occurrence

[gritty echo]

We aren't killed Armenians as they are saying like genocide if we did there was no Armenia as well

[manic juniper]

They literally were killed en masse for no reasons other than nationalism

[gritty echo]

Why are Armenians still talking Armenian they re christian or Greeks speaking Greek and they live their religion or Balkans too

If we had a totaliter and massacre regime

[manic juniper]

Why does that matter, why is it important that Armenia didn't exist

Angry moustache man killed a lot of people without a country

[gritty echo]

I think it will introduce a lot of things

[manic juniper]

Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo? Lol

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel still no evidence for your blanket statement

[manic juniper]

The Armenian spoken in Anatolia was quite different from Eastern Armenian, the one that's found in Armenia today

[gritty echo]

Ah then you are accepting Kosovo to a real country than

[dapper laurel]

You're right, you won

[manic juniper]

Yes

[gritty echo]

Most of them don't accept it

[manic juniper]

Most European countries do, those that don't have disputed territories or secessionist movements

[gritty echo]

Even about Bosnians , after the collapse of Yugoslavia Serbians maasacred müslim Bosnians but Ottoman Empire doesn't do it about other nations

We conquered land like any empire

[manic juniper]

Spain or Romania

[gritty echo]

We ruled them and we collapsed than

[manic juniper]

But it did

[gritty echo]

At least our territories speak their own languages xd

Not just like the French or Spain or Portugal or the British did

They live their own culture

They believe their own religion

[neon sierra]

where

[manic juniper]

Lol

[gritty echo]

What do you mean where

Kurdish people still speak Kurdish and live their culture right if we had a regime like you talking about all of these countries have to asymilated like other empires did

But you are still talking Kurdish

Arabs still talk Arabic

Greeks still speak greek

Even after the conqueror of Constantinople Mehmet didn t ban church or other religious states

Everyone was free to believe and even most of different nations had right as much as Turks

[neon sierra]

kurdish got banned, a lot of kurds got asimilated. forced surnames. ban on names. we could nor speak kurdish or listen to kurdish music

[gritty echo]

How you can talk Kurdish than

[neon sierra]

you think ur smart or what

[dapper laurel]

Yes, they just converted the most important church in the city into a mosque, this is called forced assimilation

[gritty echo]

The official language of turkey is Turkish and in the government buildings you can speak Turkish but not Kurdish because of misunderstanding or something like that

[neon sierra]

my people got replaced 300 years ago to other cities for assimilation purposes. but yet we managed to keep or language alive because of our strong culture. we didnt manage to keep it because of the turks because they didnt teach us our language but with communicating mouth to mouth. a lot of kurds cannot write in kurdish but speak

[gritty echo]

Even kurds have their own political party

[neon sierra]

i said the kurdish language was banned

[gritty echo]

Dude even these days most people don't know how to ride

[neon sierra]

even in schools. we are talking about a huge population with millions of people

[gritty echo]

In the world

It isn't just special about the Ottoman empire

[neon sierra]

you said “how can you talk in Kurdish then”

[neon sierra]

what is wrong is still wrong

i am not going to argue with u because u are denying whats in front of you

[gritty echo]

Man most of people don't know how to ride these days Turks or other nations too

Not just special about kurds it is

You talk like every person knows writing these days and the Ottoman empire banned it

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ahmet-kaya-stare-bored-gif-15601642

[gritty echo]

Xd

[neon sierra]

what makes a language alive? your question itself was absurd

[gritty echo]

Man if the Ottoman empire was banned from your culture or language like what you said you shouldn't know Kurdish

[neon sierra]

no way u think we kept our language alive thanks to ur ugly government who couldnt even admit that kurds existed and rather called us mountain turks

[gritty echo]

There is an official language you can only use in government states

Like in every country

[neon sierra]

ottomans had other things in mind. it wasn’t necessarily back then

[neon sierra]

yeah you dont even see the wrongdoing in this

[gritty echo]

Ahahahahaha

[gritty echo]

Man then said every country politics than

Why do Japanese people want to ban Kurdish people in their country

Then

[neon sierra]

if u even deny such a ban that was official then i am done with u

[gritty echo]

Do you know about Kurds living in Japanese named japanese city names as Kurdish names

And people don't want them anymore

[neon sierra]

BRO I SWEAR ARE U SICK IN THE HEAD

[gritty echo]

Ahahahahaha

[thorny steeple]

I know youre not serious. I repeat. Only some were suppressed. But you say all neighbors But you have no proof for "all" Why are you generalizing? Youre twisting history here

[neon sierra]

ONE IS OUR HOMELAND ONE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD

[gritty echo]

Homeland ? You living in Homeland well

[neon sierra]

IF U GONNA BRING SICH A THING UP GO LOOK AT TURKS IN GERMANY SCREAMING ALLAHU AKBAR

[gritty echo]

You can speak kurdish

You can write turkish

[neon sierra]

today i can

[gritty echo]

Or kurdish

[neon sierra]

thanks to certain things

[gritty echo]

Ahahahah MAN. If we was like that you couldn't do it

You are just lying yourself