🧠｜serious-chat

[urban swift]

Tip: Sell something after-death product so no one can verify if it's true or not

[prisma cipher]

Apologize

[quartz turret]

Hello everyone

[hot venture]

I doubt it. But I'm going with his roleplay

[tulip drift]

Do you guys know any ai tool or website for making a collage research project of 60-70 pages ?

[near gale]

Kinda confused here. Would Crypto Czar be considered an open compound word?

[thorny steeple]

Getliner

U sign up u get 7 days for free

U search for topic and specify how many words as well and u get info paraphrased and cited in american society style

With the reference provided as well

U just need to copy paste in ur microsoft word

[true lark]

Collage or college?

[tulip drift]

It's college, typo

[tulip drift]

Thanks I'll try that

[shell lily]

@ocean tapir

[ocean tapir]

Tell me who established israel

[shell lily]

holy land is sinai?

a plain desert

[ocean tapir]

THIS DUDE LMFAOO, MAKKA AND MEDINA

Sinai was our bridge to north africa

[shell lily]

dude wait

what are u talking abt

[ocean tapir]

The ottomans took your stupid fucking deserts because of Mamluks and Makka and Medina

And then we took nothing more

Because your stupid fucking deserts are not worth our soldiers

[thorny steeple]

U turk?

[ocean tapir]

We only kept expanding into northern africa, middle east and balkans after it

[ocean tapir]

yes

[thorny steeple]

Whos we

Ottomans?

[ocean tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/grand-turco-iimehmet-fati̇hsultanmehmet-gif-25510367

[shell lily]

nah i lost my last brain cell

[ocean tapir]

yeah you dont have any

[shell lily]

what is this dude talking abt

isnt middle east a desert?

[merry grove]

You're a very stupid man. @shell lily

[shell lily]

what desert are you talking abt?

[ocean tapir]

No?!?! Where the FUCK is Mesopotamia then tell me

[waxen slate]

Hello 👋

[thorny steeple]

Kurdistan

Im fasting i dont wanna fight

[shell lily]

Im talking abt middle east!

nah this dude confuses me 🙂

[ocean tapir]

It's actually plenty good

[thorny steeple]

Lafina dikkat et guzum

[shell lily]

yeah why'd you take it then?

[thorny steeple]

No

[ocean tapir]

good.

[thorny steeple]

Behave like a good boy

Or theres no discussion

[dapper laurel]

Tf

[ocean tapir]

nobody wants to discuss with you boy

[shell lily]

this was the argument minutes ago😭 and you were like nah it was a desert

[tawny siren]

@merry grove

So, let me get this straight—you're crying about Arabs "stabbing the Ottomans in the back," yet conveniently ignoring that the Ottomans themselves exploited Arab lands for centuries, overtaxed them, suppressed their identity, and even executed Arab intellectuals in Martyrs' Square? And after all that, you expect eternal loyalty? News flash: no one owes the Ottomans anything.

As for your pathetic fantasy about Europeans "skinning our backs," maybe take a look at what actually happened when the Ottomans crumbled—it was Turkey itself that begged to join Europe, kissing up to NATO and the EU for decades while still whining about the past. Meanwhile, Arabs fought colonialism, and countries like Algeria literally bled for their freedom.

And let's not even get started on betrayal—because if we're talking about stabbing in the back, who was it that sided with the Germans in WWI and got the entire empire dismantled? Who abolished the Caliphate and ran to secularism the moment they lost power? Not Arabs—that was Turkey.

So before you throw around the term "Bedouin" like it’s an insult, remember that Bedouins at least have dignity. Meanwhile, you're out here fantasizing about an empire that died over a century ago. Move on 🥰

[ocean tapir]

you just spawned

[novel gust]

bs

[novel gust]

schizophrenia

[merry grove]

We Turks die once and resurrect a thousand times and build a state, this has been the case in history. I won't say anything else. If you want to address me, come to DM.

[shell lily]

do you consider palestine, lebanon and syria a desert ?

[carmine gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-sad-gif-20037774

[dapper laurel]

The least patriotic Turk be like

[shell lily]

offfff
im gonna lose my chill 🙂

arent those arabs u idiot?

[thorny steeple]

arabs are betrayers

they always betrayed after abbasids

[ocean tapir]

They are arabs, yes. But if I talk about Middle east, it means I'M EXCLUDING Middle east from my argument of "arabian lands" as it is a WHOLE DIFFERENT ARGUMENT

[shell lily]

so this dude thinks arguments are by who curses more @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

U'll go no where with behaving like that im just advicing u

[ocean tapir]

ok idc

[shell lily]

if they werent marginalized they wouldnt betray

[thorny steeple]

Fr they instinctively oppose everyone tryinna talk to them

[thorny steeple]

they are still back stabbing jordan or egypt

[thorny steeple]

U should care pookie

they broke the unity

[shell lily]

plus ottomans sold algeria to france hows this not betrayal

[thorny steeple]

U dont say idc to advice

[tawny siren]

Yeah, you "resurrect" a thousand times just to beg the EU for membership and cry about past glories. Meanwhile, Arabs live rent-free in your head while you fantasize about lost empires. If history taught us anything, it's that arrogance comes before the fall—just ask the Ottomans.

I won’t waste more words on a nationalist stuck in nostalgia. If you can't handle the heat, go worship your imaginary empire in peace. No need for DMs—this was over before it started.

[ocean tapir]

irrelevant argument. next.

[thorny steeple]

ottamans didnt did it

did they have the power to protect algeria?

[ocean tapir]

you are speaking facts btw.

and we have the most arabs nowadays, literally 3 million

[thorny steeple]

sure

[shell lily]

as if turkey is doing any better? just yaps
they were the first ones to normalize relations with israel

[thorny steeple]

Secular Turkey or Ottamans distinct between them

[dapper laurel]

The Ottomans are just disappointing. They enslaved the Balkan peoples, oppressed the Arabs, financed pirates in the Mediterranean, expelled the Greeks from their homelands and then and the Turks complain that they were betrayed when they were weak

[shell lily]

@thorny steeple

[ocean tapir]

Tagging him wont solve your low-iq arguments buddy

[thorny steeple]

We were the nation who were standing with the ottamans and with war of independece

they never betrayed us or exploit us

[thorny steeple]

Jddjdjdhddududdjdjd

Ottamans Sultan sended us help and we helped them

[ocean tapir]

love ya ❤️

[thorny steeple]

Bro wallahi im fasting i dont wanna get into nonesense

[dapper laurel]

Which nation would that be?

[ocean tapir]

then GO

nobody asks you to stay here

[shell lily]

ur Basha or whatever his name is almost slapped the ambassador of france
as if he owns the place
and put everyone in danger while he just got back to turkey and chill there

[thorny steeple]

We love you you are nation that sended aid in colonial period

[dapper laurel]

Good luck with fast btw

[thorny steeple]

did they have military

[shell lily]

who said we're islamic countries?

[thorny steeple]

Habibu🤍

[thorny steeple]

Muslims of Pakistan

[ocean tapir]

the fuck is that answer

nobody?

this dude is on steroids i swear to god

he is NOT making any sense

[thorny steeple]

I wanna watch u can i?

[thorny steeple]

My country is Islamic our constiution is Islamic, also distinct the old empire and new country

[ocean tapir]

sure pookie ❤️ halkların kardeşliği hewal

[shell lily]

they were betrayed and well done! who can just sit and watch ppl being oppressed?

[thorny steeple]

Speak eng this is an eng server

[ocean tapir]

cmonnn

[thorny steeple]

Kidding

[ocean tapir]

i was being nice for once and this is the answer

[thorny steeple]

HAAHHAHAHAAHA

[dapper laurel]

I hope the Kurds will do the same with modern Turkey

[thorny steeple]

its true turk they have done better but they werent ottaman sultan they were revolutionary turks

we shouldnt blame old empire for it

[ocean tapir]

Ho ho ho

[shell lily]

its fine im not cursing
i wish it was after iftar it'd be amusing

[thorny steeple]

[shell lily]

the military was ottomans

[thorny steeple]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[dapper laurel]

Bro, the Kurds have a very high birth rate, if they don't rebel they will simply replace you

[shell lily]

inshallah
@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Turk military is powerful wont be even nodged by kurds but im surprised they go for such lowly methods against pkk when they can simply win by force! Like using a prisoned leader to try trick the pkk

[dapper laurel]

Turkey's population continues to grow thanks to the Kurds lol

[thorny steeple]

wheres the unity?

Shouldnt muslims forgive and move with unity?

[shell lily]

[thorny steeple]

@shell lily

[shell lily]

@ocean tapir are you fasting brotha

[dapper laurel]

The PKK has laid down its weapons btw

[thorny steeple]

@tawny siren @thorny steeple @shell lily

[shell lily]

when its in ur favor its called "unity"

[ocean tapir]

you showed how good your people are in the history

[shell lily]

i was jk tho
i just wish everyone lives in peace

[dapper laurel]

They can't do much now, but they can get independence peacefully with a referendum, even though Turkey is not really democratic

[thorny steeple]

Its not about unity its about each other seeing defensive partners. We are muslims and history shouldnt revise itself

[shell lily]

then brotha compensate this day

[thorny steeple]

Insha'allah insha'allah insha'allah insha'allah insha'allah💚💛❤️

[merry grove]

Our vision should not be to join the European Union, but to join the visionless and missionless arab union? Mind your own business. You have no right to comment on our domestic or foreign policies. We criticise and condemn only when there is a mistake. How dare you!

[thorny steeple]

ataturk why are you his supporter?

[shell lily]

tuff guy can u just notping me? :))

[ocean tapir]

He is the savior of our nation?

[thorny steeple]

I told them to drop their weapons idk

[thorny steeple]

the resistance would have there ataturk joined it

[ocean tapir]

based

[dapper laurel]

Exactly, the Turks won't fit in the EU

[thorny steeple]

Yes sir

[ocean tapir]

this is the real brotherhood of millets im talkin' about

[thorny steeple]

you shouldnt join eu join with arabs

[thorny steeple]

wheres the unity in Muslims? I dont see any

[dapper laurel]

They should not just enter EU.

[ocean tapir]

well then good luck against russia and usa

[thorny steeple]

they should form their own unity

with malaysia and pakistan

[dapper laurel]

👍🏻

[thorny steeple]

Idk who is muslim here except izze

[thorny steeple]

I'm muslim arent you muslim

[thorny steeple]

I am alhamdulillah

[dapper laurel]

They should be united with their Arab blood brothers

[ocean tapir]

BLOOD BROTHERS?!

[dapper laurel]

Yes, genetic studies support that

[thorny steeple]

then we should end conflicts

[dapper laurel]

I don't understand third world languages

[thorny steeple]

its true you have arab blood

[ocean tapir]

look at your national football team first

[merry grove]

Türklerden ve Türkiye’den rahatsız olan herkese boydan gireyim (1.80)

[ocean tapir]

then shittalk about my nation

[dapper laurel]

I'm not french?

[thorny steeple]

Habibi its not conflict some people just donno how to argue they make it a problem

[thorny steeple]

Live example

[thorny steeple]

do you like mustaga kemal?

[thorny steeple]

No

[dapper laurel]

A developed country, not like turkey lol

[thorny steeple]

Hes dead

[thorny steeple]

arent you turk

[shell lily]

when its abt the unity of turkey they start preaching brotherhood and islam rules

[ocean tapir]

just say it buddy.

[thorny steeple]

No bro

[raw ember]

Why?

[ocean tapir]

i won't judge i swear

[thorny steeple]

im not turk?

[thorny steeple]

then?

where are you from? @thorny steeple

[ocean tapir]

turkey*

[thorny steeple]

I dont like athiests bcoz of religion, nothing personal

[thorny steeple]

Iraqi kurdistan

[dapper laurel]

Northern Italy

[ocean tapir]

THIS DUDE IS NORTHERN ITALIAN AND TALKS SHIT ABOUT MY NATION LMFAOOOO

[raw ember]

Okay then :d

[thorny steeple]

Then

[raw ember]

But you probably want to live in europe

[ocean tapir]

I HAD 3 ITALIAN GIRLFRIENDS SO FAR AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS FROM SOUTH

[dapper laurel]

However, you have the same haplogroup as the Arabs

[thorny steeple]

no kurdistan dont divide muslims

Jsshshdhdhddhd

[ocean tapir]

source: fuckturkeysaveeurope.com

[thorny steeple]

What should i say

[dapper laurel]

Because your country sucks a bit in every way, no offense

[thorny steeple]

stay with muslims

[shell lily]

this dude if u removed that curse word he'd look like a pookie

[ocean tapir]

i mean its actually an autonomous region

[raw ember]

You do not have to say something brother

[thorny steeple]

What should i say if someone ask me where im from

[thorny steeple]

you wish to join european nation

[ocean tapir]

no dude ew

[thorny steeple]

Iraq

[thorny steeple]

Okay onichan

[shell lily]

earth

[ocean tapir]

europeans are the most egoist shithole people so far

[thorny steeple]

do you like ataturk

[ocean tapir]

this dude is italian and can't even stay loyal to one side of any war

[dapper laurel]

These are genetic studies, it is easy to understand why Turkey is so underdeveloped, you even reject science

[raw ember]

That is all you know about Japan isn't it

[ocean tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/atatürk-ata-atam-türkiye-türk-gif-4920768824373058785

[thorny steeple]

Valid

[raw ember]

❤️

[dapper laurel]

still more developed than you

[thorny steeple]

Maybe maybe not

[raw ember]

Good for you

[thorny steeple]

Ataturk was jew?

[dapper laurel]

Atatürk wasn't even Turkish btw

[merry grove]

Does Discord have this feature? Blocking the server to certain nationalities. Because there are some really stupid people. I'm sure there are people here with an IQ the size of a shoe size. And we're being tested during Ramadan. Allah, forgive us.

[ocean tapir]

How the fuck is he not turkish

[thorny steeple]

I'm aksing you, a turk told me

[shell lily]

wdym
europeans were so underdeveloped back then
they were even scared of showers

[ocean tapir]

dont fucking listen to him

[dapper laurel]

He is Albanian and Greek

[merry grove]

@ocean tapir sen biliyor musun böyle özellik varsa şayet bu sunucunun kurucusu bu özelliği belirli milletlere aktifleştirmeyerek büyük hata yapmış.

[thorny steeple]

Pray brothers and sisters dont fight🤍

[ocean tapir]

"save europe" ahh arguments

[thorny steeple]

had jew ancestory too

[ocean tapir]

who the fuck says that

[dapper laurel]

Just the truth, I don't even believe in "save europe"

[ocean tapir]

dudes please research before saying something PELASE

[thorny steeple]

turk says that

[merry grove]

Yani şu sunucuyu salak Bedevilerden tasfiye etmek istese o bile güç. Çünkü çok fazlalar mk adama da acıdım valla

[ocean tapir]

we are not prophets bro

[thorny steeple]

You want to meet him

[dapper laurel]

He was anything but Turkish

[thorny steeple]

Arent you muslim?

[raw ember]

Atatürk was born in Ottoman Salonica and identified as Turkish. His exact ancestry is debated, but he founded modern Turkey and shaped its identity

[dapper laurel]

So? It's blood, not nationality

[thorny steeple]

we give you aid in your war

[shell lily]

i already disown him

[merry grove]

All right, that's the main thing. What do you want to do with more?

[dapper laurel]

Many Ottoman sultans also identified themselves as Turkish but had European ancestors

[raw ember]

Nationality is more than just blood it’s identity, culture, and contribution

[shell lily]

he comes from a jewish family(british)

[thorny steeple]

we werent your supported when everyone left you

helped you in your war how cna you end it?

[ocean tapir]

Then like mustafa kemal, and come back

[raw ember]

There is no credible evidence for that claim. Atatürk was born into a Muslim Turkish family in the Ottoman Empire 💀

[ocean tapir]

He wasn't atheist, he didn't try to erase islam from turkey.

[thorny steeple]

cant we discuss him and talk about him

[dapper laurel]

Nationality is just an abstraction

[thorny steeple]

didnt he ban scholars and arabic

[ocean tapir]

nobody is pure anything my guy

[merry grove]

Cut the bullshit, idiot. Fuck your teachers who taught you history.

[ocean tapir]

scholars are banned, not the mosques and imams

[thorny steeple]

arabic was earased

[ocean tapir]

Fuck arabic language

[thorny steeple]

your religious languages

[dapper laurel]

I'm not pure either, but Atatürk had European roots, that's the point

[ocean tapir]

Dude my ancestors are pontus greek tf u talkin about

[shell lily]

u really debating that bastard? good luck

[ocean tapir]

If we were %100 turkic we would have monolid eyes

But I tell you that, we do NOT share the same blood with arabs as no turks looks like them

[thorny steeple]

its quran language

[ocean tapir]

Just go from Istanbul to Dubai and see the difference

[shell lily]

"muslim family" he was muslim in disguise too

[thorny steeple]

turks look like arabs the central asian

[ocean tapir]

Quran is arabic because it's SENT to arabic

[quiet fog]

So many vulgar words

[dapper laurel]

You have Anatolian DNA, no one is saying you are 100% Turkic

[ocean tapir]

We look like your mother than you fucking p*kistani

[thorny steeple]

The brotherhood is ending in chat

all of it just in few lines

[ocean tapir]

Because you are talking SHIT about my national identities

[raw ember]

he didn't ban scholars he modernized education and replaced outdated systems arabic wasn't banned turkish just switched to the latin alphabet stop making things up

[shell lily]

( إِنَّا جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا )
(Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur’an.)
thats from quran
cope

[thorny steeple]

I didnt abuse im asking you only

[ocean tapir]

Dude because quran was SENT to arabs

[thorny steeple]

arabic azan was banned?

[ocean tapir]

The fuck you on

[dapper laurel]

Your DNA is a mix of Greek colonizers, Anatolian peoples and Turkic peoples. Also having genetic affinity with the Arabs (meaning Levantines)

[ocean tapir]

I mean that's true then we're europeans?

Ofc we are not purely turks, my ancestors are pontus greeks i admit that

[shell lily]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-funny-gif-27370103

[raw ember]

yeah it was changed to turkish for a while so people could actually understand it but it wasn’t some attack on arabic it was about making religion accessible

[ocean tapir]

thank you for being able to explain it calmly and not crashing out like me 🙏

[merry grove]

Türklerin Araplara benzediğini söyleyen dalyarak nerde @ocean tapir

Etiketlesene bi’

[shell lily]

https://tenor.com/view/tag-turkish-car-happy-dance-gif-17367602

[thorny steeple]

In Islam it wasnt allowed and still not

[raw ember]

im a chill guy 💯

[shell lily]

its him

[merry grove]

Fuck you, dog. Fuck off, you idiot. Where did you get that from? We are Turks and we have a lot of rich culture and language. And our people look more like Europeans than Arabs. Maybe some of them may have their own appearance. But I consider the word Arab as a blasphemy against myself and my family.

[ocean tapir]

sure buddy... you are the last true defender of islam

[ocean tapir]

dude holyyyy

calmmm down

[dapper laurel]

Actually no, maybe only the Turks on the Aegean can be considered European, but to a large extent your DNA is native to the territory with foreign influences (Levantine and Persian too)

[thorny steeple]

muslim only muslim

[ocean tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[raw ember]

we do not care about islam

[shell lily]

mosques were banned so ppl can rest a little

[thorny steeple]

but why? arent you muslim

[ocean tapir]

MOSQUES WERE BANNED?!?!?

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/ataturk-gif-24865362

[raw ember]

are you even talking about mosques were never banned? stop pulling shit outta thin air

[raw ember]

no i am not buddy

[merry grove]

@thorny steeple Look, it's the Kurds who look like Arabs. They are not Turks. They are just people who have citizenship ties to Turkey. But they have to be Turkish nationalists because they live within these borders. Those who dream of Kurdistan end up in the graveyard.

[thorny steeple]

@shell lily why you hate turks and empire?

[shell lily]

dont ping me idiot :)) im not talking with u

[dapper laurel]

No, you are not European, you don't even look European. It is important to remember that Greeks have Levantine influences in their DNA too, so even if you are relatively close to the Greeks, you are not close to the European average in ancestry

[ocean tapir]

but you are talking about MY nation

[shell lily]

so just minutes ago u were praising him for making religion accesible and now u telling me he was the only one who banned mosques and hijab 🙂
i see where this is going

[merry grove]

Do not assume that every Arab lookalike is Turkish just because he speaks Turkish and lives in Turkey. In this case, according to your mentality, Holland and France look like Africans. @thorny steeple

[ocean tapir]

"Omg... guys... i realized im not european today... im gonna go commit unaliven't"

[raw ember]

lmao who the hell said anyone wants to be european y’all act like it’s some VIP club no one asked no one cares

[merry grove]

Sus Arap

[dapper laurel]

It shouldn't even have seemed like an insult, it's just a fact

[shell lily]

i dont hate
i hate the way they treated some ppl
and the last period of the empire was a total shame for our muslim community

[raw ember]

nah don’t twist my words mosques were never banned and hijab wasn’t banned either stop reaching

[ocean tapir]

thats why you still explode in streets

[ocean tapir]

i know. we are anatolian and asian

[shell lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimLounge/comments/17lqhd3/any_muslimturks_here_if_so_is_this_true_about/

[ocean tapir]

nobody said we were duh

[thorny steeple]

which arab are you?

[raw ember]

ofc its a reddit post

[shell lily]

https://muslimskeptic.com/2022/05/25/mustafa-kemal-ataturk/

[dapper laurel]

I like Arabs, but I recognize that Europe has a common problem with Turkey, namely illegal Arab immigration, which causes too much crime

[ocean tapir]

LMFAO LOOK AT THE SOURCES LMFAOOOO

[raw ember]

oh wow a totally unbiased source from a site literally called "muslim skeptic" lmao yeah super credible try again bro

[merry grove]

Sanane sabah akşam Türkiye mi takip ediyorsun kardeşim. Ne büyük hayranımız çıktınız ya

Salın bizi mk

[dapper laurel]

Why don't you want to make yourself understood lil bro?

It's s so immature

[dapper laurel]

As if it were a big effort to paste it into the translator

[shell lily]

gimme a source that proves ur point from an "unbaised" source

[ocean tapir]

TRANSLATOR?!?! WE ARE THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WTF IS A TRANSLATOR AUUUU

[ocean tapir]

... Wikipedia....

Definitely NOT "muslimskeptic" or "reddit"

[ocean tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402911262322720778/1282398119538982962/alt_prog_gif_1827509403576127574-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[raw ember]

lmao yeah cuz clearly the problem is arab immigrants and not the fact that your economy is in the gutter and your country can’t handle its own shit maybe worry less about turkey and more about why half your streets look like a dystopian movie

[shell lily]

reddit is way more credible than turkish resources

believe me

esp when it comes to ataturk

[merry grove]

@dapper laurel

[dapper laurel]

It's because of uncontrolled immigration, it's actually a big problem, not the only problem for sure

[merry grove]

How many times have you been to Türkiye in your life?

[dapper laurel]

One

[shell lily]

didnt they fall in the hands of england and france at the end? :))

[merry grove]

So you are saying all these conclusions as someone who has been to this country once?

And when you came, where did you visit?

[ocean tapir]

no? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence

[thorny steeple]

Izze

U still shining here masha'allah

[ocean tapir]

AWDJOPAJOPDWJOPAWDJOPAJOPWDJOPAWJOPDAJOPWDJOPAWDJOPAPOJ

[shell lily]

huh
this dude gonna make me lose my chill 🙂

[thorny steeple]

Yok sen

🫵 😂

[ocean tapir]

this dude is losing his chill because of a credible historical event from a reliable web source

[shell lily]

@thorny steeple look how much im struggling

[ocean tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6561088576429774594

[ocean tapir]

dude the fuck is wrong with that

[thorny steeple]

E what about it

[dapper laurel]

I only cite genetic studies.
I visited Istanbul

[shell lily]

@thorny steeple wikepidia is a reliable resource
thats why im sending reddit posts here

he fits ur mind

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-cavill-wikipedia-gif-27020374

[ocean tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vCNFk2TPo

[thorny steeple]

Tsk tsk tsk tsk

[merry grove]

Then don't do any more work. We don't want to hear your views. Sit down. You failed. 0

[shell lily]

i said arabs fell in the hands of england and france
he was like no and sent me some turkish independence

[raw ember]

what exactly do you want? a source that he is not anti islam?

[ocean tapir]

didnt "they"

[shell lily]

now a youtube video this dude never disappoints me

[dapper laurel]

These are not my visions, they are facts, they are genetic studies. However, if they bother you so much, I will try to talk about it with other more open-minded people

[thorny steeple]

Hshshusjssjsdj

[raw ember]

anyway guys kurds are never gonna have a country gn yall

[ocean tapir]

yeah imma go to my uni class guys its in 10 mins cya

[tidal oasis]

Does someone know a website or YouTube channel to learn Portuguese?

[merry grove]

Look, my beautiful brother, most of the people in the so-called "Turkish" experiments are not Turks. "They are Kurds", get it. They are counted as Turks only because they have Turkish citizenship. Kurds are similar to Arabs in weight.

[dapper laurel]

In reality, for genetic studies they count only the native population by territory, even more so genetic studies take into account the ethnic separation between Turks and Kurds

[whole beacon]

english

[dapper laurel]

However, if you care about being European, you can be culturally European

That's all, you can even join the European Union, but you should seriously consider the advantages and disadvantages

[merry grove]

Yeah, I'm sure he will. And you believe without question. Keep going like this, bravo. Mk then, if Turks are like Arabs, what are Kurds, ultra Arabs?

[whole beacon]

Take a long break.
We don't welcome stereotypical remarks here.

[dapper laurel]

In recent years, Turkey has taken an authoritarian direction and tended towards the Islamic world, which is why they are not compatible with Europe at the moment

These are the words of the major European leaders

[azure brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ataturk-gif-27069267

[dapper laurel]

We are talking about genetic affinity, Kurds may be more similar than you in this case

[whole beacon]

justvibrans

[dapper laurel]

But this does not mean that Turks do not have Levantine genetics

[merry grove]

Our government will change. And for the last time, believe it or not. Culturally, except for Kurds and some sub-ethnic nations (living in Turkey with Turkish citizenship), we are similar to Europeans and we are Europeans, let's not talk more.

[verbal torrent]

Cry me riva

[whole beacon]

Not even a cup

[azure brook]

[merry grove]

No, you are directly offended by the Turks. Let's have a history conversation, the history of Turks is about atrocities. Your people are too white as a whistle.

[merry grove]

Then, according to you, the israilles are Arabs too. Because they are Levantines too, beautiful brother.

[raw ember]

im geneticly european but im not interested about european culture buddy

no one cares about you guys

[merry grove]

I don't open a history chat on this server unless someone opens a history topic/discussion, because I know that's where it will lead.

[whole beacon]

Lmaoo
Do i know u? My people !!!
IM HERE as a mod
So u better quit the stereotypical remarks or be muted.
#honesty

[merry grove]

I freely expressed my own opinion, is there any disrespect in my comment? Why are you shutting me up? This is a serious chat channel.

[dapper laurel]

A distinction should be made between Levantines and Arabs genetically. Levantines are natives of the Levant who have become naturalized Arabs, they are not Arabs genetically. So when I say that Turks are close to Arabs, I usually mean Levantines and other people living in the Mesopotamian area. Israelis have Canaanite and mitteleuropa ancestry, so they can be considered Levantine as well

[whole beacon]

Im not shutting u up.
Don't be spitting

Stereotypical

Nonsense like ur trukish friend.
U can debate all u want.
In other words ( no ethnic racism is allowed here)

[merry grove]

I can help you find a site.

[dapper laurel]

What is your lineage?

[grand cape]

Európa🫸 Islam ☪️

[dapper laurel]

Because you might be European, and denying the lands you come from would not do you any honor

[whole beacon]

@merry grove and racism is not freedom of speech

Now ba bye

[dapper laurel]

Some European countries are Muslim, so it is not convenient to create these internal divisions

[raw ember]

im geneticly greek born in cyprus we moved to istanbul when i was a kid now i live in japan

[dapper laurel]

What a lore

[merry grove]

Is history a cliché/stereotypical for you?

[dapper laurel]

Cyprus is also genetically related to the Levant btw

[raw ember]

and? that doesnt change the fact that it’s its own place with its own identity stop acting like dna is the only thing that matters

bro i swear balkan people talk about race more than actual geneticists like chill nobody cares

[dapper laurel]

In fact I do not deny that Cyprus is culturally European and has a significant Greek influence. It was just a fun fact

[dapper laurel]

I'm not balkan

[raw ember]

what are you then

[dapper laurel]

And I never talked about races, maybe ethnic groups

[merry grove]

My fathers are from Bulgaria, my mother's side is from Thessaloniki, where I look like an Arab. Is that so?

[dapper laurel]

Race is a pretty outdated concept these days

[whole beacon]

No
Replying to a racist person is. With a demeaning expression.
Like u replied to the turkish <muted> guy who was insulting.
Not trying to debate with you.
Just focus on having a respectful discussion

[dapper laurel]

I am from South Tyrol

[raw ember]

oh yeah cuz obsessing over “ethnic groups” instead of saying “race” totally changes the weird fixation nt bro

[dapper laurel]

Your hypothetical genetic profile could be close to Macedonians. But that's your case, it doesn't represent the majority of turks

[raw ember]

bro i got plenty of italian friends and none of them are this obsessed with ethnicity

who hurt you man

[dapper laurel]

Distinguishing humanity into races leads us to wrong assumptions, such as differences in behavior or intelligence. I don't want this nor do I believe in it. I just have a passion for genetics, that's all

[raw ember]

lmao yeah sure that “passion for genetics” just conveniently turns into weird race takes every time nice cover bro

[dapper laurel]

You see ambiguity where there is none, I only speak of genetic variety in populations, it is wealth. The speech about the turks is only a fact

[manic juniper]

He didn't mention races

[raw ember]

yeah yeah “just genetics” but somehow it always circles back to the same tired narratives and nah your “facts” about turks are just the usual biased takes anyway enjoy your deep thoughts on dna bro i’m out

[raw ember]

yeah and changing the wording doesn’t change the meaning we all see what he’s getting at

[manic juniper]

Not exactly, there are plenty of studies on the subject and most of them are quite interesting because they show the origin of certain groups or families

For example the study on the haplogroup of the Rurikid dynasty

[raw ember]

yeah genetic studies can be interesting when they’re actually used for historical and anthropological research not as a weird way to push identity politics or superiority narratives

[thorny steeple]

Ata Turk do you like him

[verbal torrent]

STOP ASKING THIS TO EVERY TURK U SEE

[raw ember]

every turk loves him

[manic juniper]

I know one who doesn't

It surprised me

[thorny steeple]

There are 3 turks I know they hate him, if you want you can meet him too. also Im aksing opinionnot debating

[thorny steeple]

wwas french time better

than the ottaman time?

[merry grove]

Hello there

[raw ember]

no thanks bro i’ll pass

[merry grove]

How are u?

[azure brook]

yes

[raw ember]

that is greay for you genetics can be full of surprises sometimes

but he's just a racist

[manic juniper]

Kurdish languages are more similar to most languages in Europe tho

[merry grove]

It never looks like it

[manic juniper]

They are Iranic languages

[merry grove]

Kurdish is similar to Persian and Arabic

[manic juniper]

Only to Persian

It has Arabic loanwords but so does Turkish

[merry grove]

@manic juniper

Where are u from

[manic juniper]

Funland

Kurdish languages are Indo-European, much like most languages in Europe

[merry grove]

Turkish has been influenced by Persian, French, Arabic and other languages, but Turkish is a unique language and is very rich.

[merry grove]

Finlandiya 🇫🇮?

[manic juniper]

Not very unique, there are plenty of Turkic languages

[manic juniper]

Yes

[merry grove]

Oh nice

[merry grove]

You are a Turk. You are a descendant of the European Hun Turks.

[manic juniper]

No

[merry grove]

No, believe me, you are. I knew you would answer that. For example, Hungarians and Bulgarians are Turks. They descend from the European Hun state.

[shell lily]

french period was atrocious and brutal

[manic juniper]

Huns never lived where I'm from

They never conquered or set foot there

[merry grove]

Turkish is in the same language family as Finnish Hungarian, isn't it?

[manic juniper]

The Mongols did, they stopped at the borders of Karelia which is the extreme southeast

[thorny steeple]

so it means ottamans were better right

[manic juniper]

No that's an old unsupported hypothesis

[thorny steeple]

btw do you know about origin of turks?

[manic juniper]

Uralic languages are unrelated to Turkic languages

[thorny steeple]

arent they from central asian side?

[merry grove]

Mongols and Huns are not the same people. Mongols are not even Turks. Sons are one thing and Huns are another. I recommend you to do detailed research.

[manic juniper]

Exactly, that's why I mentioned them. Because we are not related at all

Huns limited themselves to central and southern Europe

[raw ember]

nah turkish is in the turkic family finnish and hungarian are in the uralic family they’re not even close

[merry grove]

No, there are not. Since all of these languages are suffixed, for example, it is very simple for us to learn languages from this group because they are logically similar.

[manic juniper]

That's just a convergent feature, even Japanese has features in common with Finnish but it's not about ancestry

[merry grove]

These three languages come from the Ural-Altaic languages. However, Hungarian and Finnish are in the Uralic branch of this family, while Turkish is in the Altaic branch.

[manic juniper]

The Ural-Altaic family isn't supported nowadays

At most the Yukaghir-Uralic

I doubt it was ever supported

[raw ember]

nah man that’s not quite right the whole "Ural Altaic" theory was debunked a while ago these languages are just from two different families hungarian and finnish are uralic turkish is altaic so they’re not even in the same branch to begin with

[merry grove]

Tamma, but after all, the Huns are Turks too. But the Mongols are not. For example, Hungarians and Bulgarians are Turks. But nowadays, especially the Bulgarians were assimilated under the Soviet influence for a while.

[manic juniper]

I never said the Mongols are, why do you keep repeating this?

[merry grove]

Who refuted?

[manic juniper]

The Bulgarians always were Slavs, you're confusing them with the Bulgars

[merry grove]

Then it's okay. I'm sorry.

[thorny steeple]

Why do turks keep saying huns are turks but mongols arent

[manic juniper]

That's like saying the Ukrainians were Scandinavian but Poland made them Slavs

[thorny steeple]

Thats a very imp knowledge to them apparently

[manic juniper]

They simply had Turkic rulers, the Bulgars
But the Bulgars were the aristocracy, they weren't the average citizen of Bulgaria

[merry grove]

No, I am not confused. The Bulgarians living in today's Bulgaria are actually the Turks of the European Hun tribe.

[manic juniper]

Bulgarians are a mix of local Thracians and Greeks and a Slavic population, they were Slavified

[merry grove]

Because Mongols are not Turks! It's that simple, it's even proven.

[manic juniper]

There is some evidence of Huns having at least Turkic speakers in their ranks

[raw ember]

well a lot of linguists refuted it like doerfer grübech and some others they found no solid evidence linking those languages together

[manic juniper]

It's not confirmed that all Huns were Turkic though

Just that some of their leaders were

[merry grove]

Even the peoples that you say are a mixture of those peoples were already born from Turks (except Greeks)

[thorny steeple]

U repeated again

[manic juniper]

It's also not a confirmation of them being Turkic speakers either, they may possess a large Turkic vocabulary of loanwords just as Hungarians do

[thorny steeple]

Its always fun to tell a turk mongol no matter its true or not

[knotty chasm]

Bulgarians were assimilated by the slavs long before soviets

[manic juniper]

Bro the Thracians are ancient, and the Slavs certainly didn't come from Turks. In fact those were nowhere near Turks before the middle ages, if anything some East Slavs descend from Scythians (an extinct Iranic people)

[knotty chasm]

They forgot their turkic roots hundreds of years ago

[merry grove]

You may be right.

[manic juniper]

To be fair they never had them, only their rulers (the Bulgars) did

This is similar to the Ruthenians (Ukrainians and Belarusians), they adopted the name of their rulers Rus' (which were Varangians from Sweden) but they were a small minority

[merry grove]

No, the Islitites are not Iranian people. The Islithians are the first and only Turkish people who could not become a state and organised. Tomris Hatun is our first female ruler in history.

[knotty chasm]

Did you ever visit ancient settlements in bulgaria? There were shamanic temples before they became orthodox christians. Settlers were turkic as well. Not just Han Asparuh and his sons.

[merry grove]

@manic juniper , send me a friend request. Let's talk on DM.

[manic juniper]

No I don't add strangers

[manic juniper]

Doesn't this mean that Slavs adopted their faith then?

If I'm not mistaken Bulgars were some of the few pagans who still ruled over Christians, although that changed over time

The only other people like this were the Lithuanians

[raw ember]

nah that's kinda off while there were turkic groups in the area saying everyone there was turkic before bulgarians went orthodox doesn't add up sure there were some influences but it wasn't all turkic

[knotty chasm]

I mean

[grand cape]

Pay gorno

[knotty chasm]

One second

[raw ember]

PUYAAHAHAHAHA

[manic juniper]

This is crazy lol they legit were nomadic Iranic people, they had nothing to do with Turkic people

[merry grove]

No, they are Turks.

[manic juniper]

The Scythians also had a state, the Parthian Empire was legit led by Scythians

[knotty chasm]

This is the symbol of the turkic tribe called "kayı" part of oguzh turks

[manic juniper]

It's one of the most iconic empires in history

[merry grove]

Look into it better. Wikipedia is a rubbish dump where anyone can change the information as they wish. It has never been an encyclopaedia that presents the real information to people as it is.

[raw ember]

https://tenor.com/view/ertuğrul-gif-20359054

[manic juniper]

This was in my history books, not Wikipedia

[knotty chasm]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliska_rosette

[merry grove]

The symbol was two arrows and a bow. Nowadays it is even on the logo of the good party. Lol

[knotty chasm]

This is a rosette used by medieval bulgarians

I think this explains the turkic allegations tbh

[merry grove]

Your history books teach wrong things. The Scythians were slandered by the Persians that they were not Turks but Iranians, and that is all.

[raw ember]

turks didn’t come from the balkan region and the balkan isn’t some big turkish homeland yeah there were turkic groups like the ottomans who influenced the region but they didn’t just replace the entire population balkan history is way more complex than just saying it’s all turkic

[knotty chasm]

Proto bulgars came to bulgaria way before ottomans

[manic juniper]

My history books are supposedly wrong yet you push outdated theories, I wonder which one of us got their knowledge wrong

[knotty chasm]

They were assimilated already when ottomans came

[merry grove]

Another name of the Scythians is saka, even

[knotty chasm]

Asparuh han is descendant from huns

Turkic and turkish mean two whole different things btw

[merry grove]

Even the word Balkan is Turkish

[raw ember]

turks originated from central asia not from the balkan region they were initially nomadic groups who moved westward over time especially with the seljuks and later the ottomans the ottoman empire stretched across europe asia, and africa, but that doesn't mean they were just making everyone turkic turks mixed with different cultures but the foundation of turkish history is in central asia not the balkan peninsula

[raw ember]

because of the ottoman empire

[knotty chasm]

Omg

[raw ember]

im turkish btw

[knotty chasm]

Are you not reading what i'm saying

[merry grove]

I am also a Balkan Turk of at least 7 generations (according to the records).

[merry grove]

Seni yabancı sanıyordum

İnteresting

[raw ember]

.

[manic juniper]

That's just one of the people who took part in Scythian culture, it's like saying another name for Greeks is Spartans

[raw ember]

i think you dont even know what you're talking about

[raw ember]

turkiyede yasamiyorum

[knotty chasm]

Do you know who founded the bulgarian empire in 7th century?

[raw ember]

yeah i know it was khan asparuh he’s the one who led the proto bulgarians into the balkan region and set up the bulgarian empire in the 7th century but dont act like that makes the whole region turkish or something

[knotty chasm]

It makes them have turkic roots

Bulgarians are of turkic origin

They were assimilated into slavs

Is this hard to comprehend

[raw ember]

nah it doesnt make the whole region turkic just because asparuh was turkic doesnt mean the entire balkan population is like that you gotta look at the whole picture not just cherry pick one guy from history

[knotty chasm]

The whole pagan population of the time were just playing dress up then idk

They suddenly became orthodox slavs in one night

[merry grove]

Okay, you may know them as Iranians. But you are wrong. Maybe one day you will be surprised to learn that they were really Turks. But The fact that the Scythians were Turks is the most mystical situation in the darkness of the deep history.

[manic juniper]

Seemed more like a mix to me

[merry grove]

Definitely

[manic juniper]

Just as the earlier Germanic people of England were Christian, but Danes introduced Norse mythology in England after their conquests

[knotty chasm]

It was a mix. Maybe like ottomans if you will. They became homoganated by the 10th 11th century.

Not all the settlers were turkic under the rule of pagan bulgars.

[manic juniper]

Most likely weren't

[raw ember]

it wasnt like that it wasnt some overnight change it was a gradual process where pagan groups including the bulgarians adopted orthodox christianity over time and the slavic influence mixed in it wasnt just about "playing dress up" it was about cultural religious and political shifts that took place over centuries

[manic juniper]

I guess they were mostly Slavs, some were Greeks, although both were assimilated from the earlier Thracians

[raw ember]

yeah probably

[manic juniper]

If you compare Bulgarian genetics to that of other South Slavs they appear to be more related to Greeks (which is an older population in the Balkans, meanwhile South Slavs are related to the Carpathians)

Romanians aren't Slavs yet they are more like other South Slavs than Bulgarians are

[knotty chasm]

Bulgaria is a beautiful country

[knotty chasm]

Aren't romanians indian

[manic juniper]

No

[knotty chasm]

Huh

[prisma cipher]

[manic juniper]

Romanians are eastern Latins who descend from assimilated Dacians and Thracians

[merry grove]

The people you keep calling Thracians were completely wiped off the face of the earth in who knows how many years BC. Thus, today the term Thracian refers to a completely dead nation, that is, to the past. But the Thracian geography (region) and culture are still alive.

[knotty chasm]

What about gypsies then

[manic juniper]

Latins as in Latin speakers, not the OG Latins from Italy

[manic juniper]

Those are from Rajasthan

[knotty chasm]

They call romania their own

[raw ember]

is there something you dont know?

@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

If you read the message again, perhaps slowly this time, you'll find out that... It's exactly what I said

[merry grove]

Yeah Really wonderful with its nature and culture

[knotty chasm]

It was sad visiting the shipka memorial

[manic juniper]

They also call it Thracia (Slavs, Turks, Greeks and Romanians) because place names are the least likely to change over time

[knotty chasm]

Also, out of context but fuck communism

[prisma cipher]

Ukrainian compare zelensky with sheikhs by dressing, they lil bit don't understand. https://youtube.com/shorts/e7Cc_ISPjgU?si=Fvc0XcCz44-aLGef

[merry grove]

The region where I live is called Thrace (Eastern Thrace) in the European part of Türkiye.

[knotty chasm]

Edirne?

[merry grove]

Tekirdağ’dayım

Ama Edirne Kırklareli tekridağ

Buralar Trakya toprakları ve Balkanlar

Rumeli olarakta biliniyor işte Türkiye’nin Avrupa kıtası

[knotty chasm]

Bulgaristan bilgisinden dolayı acaba edirne mi dedim

[merry grove]

Bende Bulgar göçmeniyim Bulgaristan hakkında bilgi sahibiyim

[knotty chasm]

1989 benim de

Peder tarafi

Шумен

[merry grove]

Şumnu

Biliyorum orayı ama orası

Kasaba gibi küçük bir yer

Bizimde yakın aslında o taraflarda

[knotty chasm]

Deliorman tarafındanız biz

[merry grove]

Sliven (islimiye)

[merry grove]

Bu oblastın adı

Glb

İlçe olarak kazan (kotel)

Bucaklar (5-10 köyün sınırlarını kapsar) var bir de Bulgaristan’da bilirsin

[knotty chasm]

[knotty chasm]

I just know the names haven't seen much of them. Maybe you know of Seytancik/Hitrino? I have some family there.

[verbal torrent]

Sucuuuuk

[merry grove]

Şeytancık istasyonunu mu diyorsun

Orası merkez değil mi?

[verbal torrent]

I dont like it yaa

[knotty chasm]

There is a small town near the train station

There was a huge explosion there couple years back

Government built homes for compensation

[knotty chasm]

Lukanka is awesome wtf.

[verbal torrent]

I mean i dont like meat in gnrl

[prisma cipher]

Meat where

[verbal torrent]

In serious chat

[verbal torrent]

Here canim

[royal storm]

Hi guys

[craggy crow]

Hi

[royal storm]

How are you

[craggy crow]

Can't complain, what's going on with you?

[royal storm]

Why?. Nothing really interesting just fasting, and I am waiting for the Adnan

[thorny steeple]

How much left

[royal storm]

I guess 45 minutes

[ancient kraken]

For us 3h28 minutes sum like that

[thorny steeple]

Oh

Pakistan?

[thorny steeple]

Wow where u from

[royal storm]

How about you are you fasting, no not Pakistan

[ancient kraken]

France and u

[thorny steeple]

Yes i am

[thorny steeple]

Ohh was wondering why such a time difference with my time

Im from north of iraq

Kurdistan

[ancient kraken]

Ohh okay

Nice

[royal storm]

I don’t like answering that kind of question.

[royal storm]

Nice

[ancient kraken]

Don’t worry I was asking it to aland, don’t answer questions that are putting you in an awkward situation you’re right

[thorny steeple]

Such a lady

Man of culture

[royal storm]

That not too much

[ancient kraken]

Yeah I’m chilling

[royal storm]

💔

[ancient kraken]

Is it hard for u rn ?

[prisma cipher]

Mute me on half of day, when you make a mistake you have to apologize, where is your apology?

[grave shoal]

what happened

[prisma cipher]

He mute me on half of day.

[quasi needle]

elon musk cutting child cancer research funding to give his companies $400m

[prisma cipher]

Zelensky said so and you believed it, but try to verify this information, at that time there was an OSCE group on the border. and they recorded violations on both sides. You can't eat without spreading propaganda?

I understand Trump is stupid but don't repeat after him

[quasi needle]

OSCE mentions of Ukranian violations are exclusively isolated incidents

[thorny steeple]

That sucks

[quasi needle]

Russian violation of ceasefire agreements is repeated systematic aggression

[quasi needle]

Also, a majority of these are actually defence to Russian aggression.

[pallid owl]

oh welp i guess there goes my reassignment surgery money

can someone tell the cybertruck dude to reconsider? thanks

[prisma cipher]

where is the evidence for this

[quasi needle]

The Special Monitoring Mission

Russian forces actively tampered with SMM equipment to hide their activity

[prisma cipher]

Remember number and make research since this number and after it, what they say about who is wiolated, don't believe me, check it yourself

[quasi needle]

i’m not translating that

[prisma cipher]

They have Russian and English version, number the same, for me it easier on Russian

[quasi needle]

yeah i don’t know what website or source that is in the first place

found it

this document + others i’ve read don’t prove your point

the ratio of weapons in violation between ukraine and russia is 1:21

russia FAR outweighs

• The Mission’s freedom of movement was restricted 20 times, all in non-government-controlled areas.

[manic juniper]

That's pretty insane but not surprising

[quasi needle]

thank you for the summary, look at the table with the NUMBER of weapons

[prisma cipher]

When you listen zelensky it bulshit

[quasi needle]

OSCE doesnt say who does what weapon firing either

[quasi needle]

gonna show me the table or what?

russian asset

ukraine 2 russia 10

again, a fifth of russia

[prisma cipher]

I have no idea what you show me

[quasi needle]

the title is there man

if you cant read the documents YOURE sending then dont try debate

[prisma cipher]

No idea what you show me, like they have one missile system and we have 8 tanks. Not we actually, but does not matter. And what

Different weapon

Both sides violated it

[cedar bridge]

Debate is of free access.

It doesn't really matter. Just interests.

[manic juniper]

It's named Don Basin
There is no Godfather there
Why was it named like that then?

[prisma cipher]

He counting number of weapon, I just getting it, but I'd different weapon

It missile system

[feral river]

Who are even this guy to Russia ?

[prisma cipher]

Against tanks

[feral river]

He’s nothing

[cedar bridge]

Both sides violated.

[feral river]

Ukraine either accept sign that stupid mineral agreement and cede the territory which currently controlled by Russia, or being fully annexed

[cedar bridge]

Sometimes there was friendly fire.

[feral river]

Law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper

[cedar bridge]

You are a toilet paper on internet because there is no governmental law enforcement then.

[feral river]

Oh there is and you are nothing btw

[cedar bridge]

Im none. Not nothing.

Some laws should exist even if their regulation is super complicated.

[feral river]

Say that in Russkommissariat Ukraine

or Ukraine SSR

[quasi needle]

"combined Russian-separatist forces continue to be responsible for provoking the majority of attacks," implying that Ukrainian forces were responding defensively to these provocations. - Special Monitoring Mission OSCE

[cedar bridge]

I dont understand your English.

[urban swift]

For example?

[cedar bridge]

Speeding should be illegal because it endangeres lives for no valid reason. Only EMS should have speeding rights.

But in truth controlling every driver on a public road is super complicated.

[quasi needle]

the autobahn is actually relatively safe

[prisma cipher]

It might be like that in one day

[cedar bridge]

They still have speed limits.

Just higher than on public roads.

[quasi needle]

not in sections, still more safe than others with it

[prisma cipher]

I remember I checking those documents from time to time, and it were both

[cedar bridge]

And they are constructed the way to be safe for high speeds.

[quasi needle]

i will not deal with memory

either you show ukraine being the provocative side or dont bother

[cedar bridge]

Only winners write the history.

[prisma cipher]

I show you where they say both

[cedar bridge]

It can change many times afterwards.

But alas, truth is not important in contemporary word

[feral river]

What’s the new name of Ukraine you guys really liked

i prefer

1. Russkommissariat Ukraine
2. Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic
3. State of Russian Ukraine
4. Ukraine East Russian Company

[prisma cipher]

if they will be normal it their decision.

[feral river]

Nah comrade that would be decided by you guys

[dapper laurel]

If it gets annexed I would like the first one

[feral river]

But before that, you have to annex it

[feral river]

First one fav fr

Russkommissariat Ukraine

Sec one also nice

[desert bloom]

Is it really serious chat?

[native mango]

So serious

[desert bloom]

Laugh at this

[prisma cipher]

Ngl I wanna see zelensky vs Trump again

[feral river]

No way

You need a full front attack

Annex entire Ukraine

This was a good chance bro

[desert bloom]

— "You do not have cards!"
— "I have cards!"

[feral river]

Annex it, annex it, annex it

[desert bloom]

What should i annex

[feral river]

The entire universe

[desert bloom]

Can i annex moon

[native mango]

I'm serious right now i can't laugh

[desert bloom]

GOD BLESS UNIVERSE 🔭🔭⭐⭐☄️☄️🌎🌎

[quasi needle]

even if america backs out its likely they wont be able to do this

europe is entirely capable of just ramping up

trump lies anyways, europe has aided $26 billion more than the US

[desert bloom]

That was epic but i agree with zelensky's opinion

[quasi needle]

if trump backs out all he does is decimates the united states' global hegemony and gives that final push europe needs to crank out defense spending

today the president of the EU commission announced 800 billion dollars in defense ivnestments

[desert bloom]

800 billion dollars

[pallid owl]

nah, zelensky will infiltrate russia, kill putin, and end this war. mark my words

[quasi needle]

note thats the EU, not the sovereign states that spend

[prisma cipher]

His opinion like.. let's make a deal, I won't make a deal, let's make a deal

[quasi needle]

its not expenditure but investments

[desert bloom]

If war didn't start these moneys would be used in more peaceful ways

[prisma cipher]

Cool, they say something

[quasi needle]

yep, but you cant appease dictators

[desert bloom]

I mean need of peace for Ukraine

[prisma cipher]

He don't talk about piece

[desert bloom]

Maybe he didn't full realise sense of that deal

[desert bloom]

Piece

[quasi needle]

i read it wrong

[desert bloom]

But his English is very nice

[quasi needle]

no zelensky canceled nothing

trump canceled it because he got his feelings hurt when zelensky said he'll feel the effects

[quasi needle]

theyre raising EU defense spending to $615 billion a year + $841 billion in investments

[prisma cipher]

They both act stupid IMO. I continue advocacy Trump he is dumbo

Zelensky just lame

[quasi needle]

i like trump because hes destroying the usa

gets those arrogant americans a piece of their pie

[desert bloom]

What's your country?

[quasi needle]

UK

my governments doing their own sloppy shit but that’s beside the point

[desert bloom]

[quasi needle]

trump is basically being a wake up call to my own leaders to start acting right, and they have

[desert bloom]

Trump is basically trying to make information hysteria in society

And he's doing it pretty well

[prisma cipher]

What now happening in EU is information noises because big gamer leaving and they have to say how cool it will be now.

[quasi needle]

what does this mean

[prisma cipher]

It always happing when disaster happening, after Brexit French and German say they will make combined big army, a little time since no one remember about that.

[quasi needle]

they won’t say this

[prisma cipher]

EU have to say how they cool how much money they have how cool they help Ukrainine without us

[quasi needle]

the UK will want sovereignty no matter the loss

[quasi needle]

the us has provided 119b in aid, the eu has provided nearly 150b

it’s feasible

[prisma cipher]

I didn't see an argument that needs commenting

[desert bloom]

Why EU doesn't invite Ukraine very long time?

[quasi needle]

you’re acting like continental defence is a publicity stunt

get a grip

[feral river]

He’s for his own country

Zelensky is nothing

[prisma cipher]

It is

[austere tartan]

@supple blaze seriously?

[prisma cipher]

They have to say we are cool without USA, this is way to say it. One thing saying other think make it

[elder seal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-scoot-sandal-shoe-gif-5065058

[thorny steeple]

[alpine mango]

Apple! Cutie

[manic juniper]

The closest countries to EU accession are Albania, Montenegro and North Macedonia, Ukraine is more corrupt than all of these that aren't part of the EU yet

[coral belfry]

translation:
upper text: if you had an apple and aymen had 3...

bottom text: then... aymen is an oppressive feudalist pig
.

[errant yacht]

Damn right

[lime cobalt]

Zelensky made the relationship with the orange man bad. With Trump's efforts to publicize it well, I believe it could create strength for the agreement. Even if there are parties trying to undermine the agreement, it would be clear who has bad intentions here, and Trump failed to achieve peace. And of course, Trump wouldn't want to be seen as a failure.

Internally, Ukraine has a lot of corruption, even in sectors like energy and healthcare, which is quite ironic considering they are in a state of war.

[gaunt bronze]

Omg

Imma beat trump istg

[thorny steeple]

Lol alright get a visa then

[gaunt bronze]

I don’t need one

[thorny steeple]

Don't tell me you're into the words from up maine lol

[gaunt bronze]

Hes done for istg oml

[gaunt bronze]

?

[thorny steeple]

US state Maine

Not maintenance y'know

[stable edge]

Hi how are you ?

[waxen shale]

Does youtube have strict cencorship? My comment would instantly be erased whenever i type about things politically. I just replying the guy who thinks all Israeli evil. Hes comment didnt get erased for spreading massive bigotry like that

[thorny steeple]

Content creator

[knotty chasm]

Channels can ban certain words to not be written on their comment sections. It's nothing to do with the platform itself.

[stark loom]

The problem, it seems to me, is that despite knowing full well that Trump is an ignorant narcicist with dictatorial leanings everyone in Europe seems to have thought that as president of the United States he would this time act reasonably on the international stage. Yet he told us in advance what he was going to do and his henchmen have echoed his plans for Europe, Ukraine and Gaza. Somehow nobody actually believed he meant what he said. And we are still talking about working together with US as if nothing abnormal were happening. The fact is, for whatever reason or lack of reason, the US has backed off Europe, backed off Ukraine and settled into a comfy zone of poisoned vipers with Vladimir Putin.

The treatment of Zelenski in the White House was appalling. There is no longer any meaningful truth coming from the United States only what will appeal to the rabid rabble rousers at the Capitol on 6 January.

[thorny steeple]

https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-844600

[stark loom]

Yes it's always best to cross into countries at the official crossing points with a valid passport and visa. In this case I would imagine a work permit for Israel would also be required. Such rules apply to Indian nationals as well.

[copper canopy]

Hi

[stark loom]

Many countries will shoot people crossing illegally, including at the Indian border with Pakistan.

Hi @copper canopy

[lime cobalt]

Zelensky drags old people and people with Down syndrome to the front line.

[manic juniper]

Why aren't you there then

[lime cobalt]

Why are you triggered? do u think ukraine will win the war

[winter ravine]

Zelensky took the bait foolishly he should've known what's coming

[tulip zenith]

nobody wins at the end

they can't just rewind and come back the thousand of deaths

[winter ravine]

Both He and Trump were trying to talk over each other. Both are fools. One fool just have a mansion and the other one is homeless

[tulip zenith]

two kiddoes trying to see who's better

[stark loom]

@winter ravine I agree with you. He was ill prepared, he had difficulty understanding and speaking in english. I think he expected a polite chat in the oval office, signing the trade deal and a bit of lunch. He was ambushed.

[winter ravine]

He could've brought a translater. Atleast it would've given him some time to speak and avoided live arguing with trump

[tulip zenith]

I still remember the first time when I heard that Trump could finish the war if he became president, now he is and the fucking shit still.

[stark loom]

An ignorant unpleasant bully.

[winter ravine]

All those money but not enough to afford a translator

[tulip zenith]

it was a complete circus

[stark loom]

Don't forget kids, drink bleach if you get covid!

[tulip zenith]

lmao

[lime cobalt]

But at least Zelensky should take the opportunity given by Trump, rather than begging for aid to fund a war that cannot be won, where no more lives are lost.

This meeting is being watched by the whole world, the world becomes a witness to this agreement.

[winter ravine]

Either way Putin wins now. He is literally playing 4D chess with real countries. Turns out he was the most clever one out of all these leaders.

[manic juniper]

Just making fun of you texting nonsense all the times

[manic juniper]

It was never going to be true, the war has been there since 2014, he had four years to stop it during his first term... Nothing happened

[tulip zenith]

yh pitifully trump is powerless to just stop the war in few weeks or even years

[lime cobalt]

what nonsense ? Then see, Ukraine will turn to ashes.. good job

[manic juniper]

Disconnected sentences

[lime cobalt]

Just give me a counter argument, you're the one who's being unreasonable.

[pallid owl]

omggg so trueee

[manic juniper]

Why would I waste my time with that, I already argued with you in the past, you seem to enjoy spouting conspiracy theories or just things that don't make sense

[thorny steeple]

Tariffs start today what do you think

[manic juniper]

It's a great opportunity

[thorny steeple]

Yeah Canada gets thrown under the bus 🚌

[manic juniper]

I think it'll be more difficult for Americans since putting tariffs on everyone doesn't sound like a great outcome

[thorny steeple]

Yeah thank goodness it wasn't 100% tariffs

[tulip zenith]

lmfao

[manic juniper]

I only feel sorry for those who didn't vote for him

[tulip zenith]

what a sorrow

[manic juniper]

The others can take full responsibility

[thorny steeple]

Yeah long live Trump they be saying

[lime cobalt]

you looked very annoyed when I attacked Zelensky,

[manic juniper]

You looked very annoyed at my joke

[thorny steeple]

Elsagate 3.0 people

It's happening

[tulip zenith]

hi guys

I'm Newby

[lime cobalt]

its not a joke

[tulip zenith]

ah wrong chat

lmaoo

how much time have you been here?

lmao

the gossip is getting hot

keep arguing guys

[thorny steeple]

Scary accuracy

[tulip zenith]

yh

[thorny steeple]

Mate's the goat

[manic juniper]

Didn't know

[waxen shale]

What is that? Is that the same as gamer gate ?

Nevermind thats silly as shit. Whacky

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/RjOybKOm2Tc?si=h6vfSzAuXuuFylCF

[lime cobalt]

If Ukraine is subdued, then what comes next? Russia will confidently move towards Europe, the US wants to extinguish the fire before it spreads to Europe.

is that what u want ?

[manic juniper]

You legit are saying nonsense

Extinguishing the fire would be arming Ukraine until Russia's army is decimated, you legit are repeating the nonsense Chamberlain was saying "Let Hitler take the Sudetenland, he will stop" sure

[thorny steeple]

And see what happened after Hitler took the sudentenland

@manic juniper https://youtu.be/R1V7s_uCuPQ?si=weGOyJ56GqTfgihi

[manic juniper]

Yes, had Czechoslovakia posed a true resistance Poland would've only faced the Soviet Union and a very damaged Germany

Czechoslovakia was like a little fortress, it wasn't going to stop Germany but it was going to put them through a world of pain

[lime cobalt]

no one want to mess with russia, dude. If you side with Ukraine, it will increase geopolitical tensions, not ease them.

[manic juniper]

No one sided with Russia in Europe besides Belarus though, not even Serbia does

[thorny steeple]

True it be interesting had Czechoslovakia fought instead of surrendering

[manic juniper]

Siding with Ukraine simply is logical and makes sense if you knew an ounce of European history or were from a country that borders Russia

It's like siding with USA when they fucked up Latin America just because USA is more powerful

[thorny steeple]

Yeah Russia's ain't the Soviet Union Russia is a far cry from the Soviet Union

[manic juniper]

Yes and nuclear weapons aren't even exclusive to them

[thorny steeple]

True looking the nuclear arsenal might be obsolete for Russia 🪆

[manic juniper]

"Historically it got the job done"
Unless...

[thorny steeple]

True but he died there was no way in hell he was getting out of Berlin

[manic juniper]

What if he used the secret Himmlerian esoteric spell to transfer his soul into a Soviet soldier and he lived on?

[thorny steeple]

Ha be funny I suppose he died failing

[lime cobalt]

who said let russia subdued ukraine, US want them to make a piece

[manic juniper]

How tf do you make peace with a country that invaded you first 😭😭😭 use some logic

[thorny steeple]

Yeah unless it's on the defender side terms

[manic juniper]

Why didn't Poland ask for peace instead

[manic juniper]

Or you gave them a true beating

[lime cobalt]

wtf how u define a piece ?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but to avail were devoured by the wolf's, Polska FOREVER

[thorny steeple]

Yeah lol ofc he isn't Mannheim

[manic juniper]

Peace is something that lasts more than few months

Ukraine wouldn't get any peace from Russia and USA

[lime cobalt]

piece is no more war, no more die

thats is realistic peace

[manic juniper]

Yeah you seem to be completely unaware of it

Surrendering to your invader doesn't really stop them from killing people

[thorny steeple]

Yeah look at sources from the occupied areas of Ukraine

[lime cobalt]

dude, its not one of them, both of them need to stop

[manic juniper]

Lmfaooo

[thorny steeple]

Lmao as if war works like that

[quaint dune]

xD
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[thorny steeple]

Example WW1

[manic juniper]

You see, they will stop killing if they stop fighting

[shy summit]

The SOTU is as bad as you can imagine

[thorny steeple]

Yeah once on the breaking point

[feral river]

if they surrender

There will be no more deaths if they simply surrender

[quaint dune]

If Russian stop the war in Ukraine, Finland will be cooked 😂

[feral river]

And that has no guarantees

[manic juniper]

Moldova is next, not us

Moldova barely has an army

[quaint dune]

Yeah probably

[manic juniper]

I hope we get invaded so they can remove the no nuclear policy from the Constitution

[feral river]

Ukraine, Moldova, Baltics, Poland, all objectives of Russia

[manic juniper]

Fuck that

[lime cobalt]

wtf thats why diplomacy take place, ending war with no winner or loser

[quaint dune]

What happened?
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[feral river]

If you just let them in they will annex them one per one

[thorny steeple]

Yeah isn't that the only mainland European country with no army

[shy summit]

BRUH

[manic juniper]

How did diplomacy work out in WW2?

[feral river]

Holy shit

[thorny steeple]

Yeah lmao
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[feral river]

Bro you are lmao

[quaint dune]

Nice try Diddy