🧠｜serious-chat

[rich thorn]

what intrigues me is why some see the same colour as different one

[formal pilot]

Sounds doesn't exist lol it's also a wave

[raw dagger]

Just to be sure, what are the seven colors you referred to ?

[hidden marten]

VIBGYOR

[formal pilot]

VIBGYOR

Visible light spectrum

[dense agate]

it's relational, rather than it being a trait of the universe or humans as individual entity

[formal pilot]

Red Man In Van Uses Xray Gun

[Radio micro infrared Visible Uv ray X-ray gama ray]

We can only see visible light spectrum

[stiff halo]

sooooooo

[dense agate]

a longitudinal wave to be exact, but for sound as we know it to happen it requires an ear

[hidden marten]

Too many random topics

[formal pilot]

Yeah wave in it self doesn't have a sound, our ear concert wave into sound

[rich thorn]

So light waves can create sounds?

[formal pilot]

It's transverse wave
Sound is longitudinal

We can build instrument to convert it to sound, but as far as ik we can hear light

[rich thorn]

interesting

[dense agate]

si, the auditory transduction allows the magic to happen, as fascinating as it is, Humans lack the ability to regenerate ear hair cells

[formal pilot]

Your questions are really really beautiful ngl

[formal pilot]

If we think like that it changes the whole perception of the universe

Our reality is not objective reality

[dense agate]

there never was an objective reality

[formal pilot]

Dayammm reality can be subjective

[dense agate]

if there was such thing as an objective reality, how would we interact with it

[rich thorn]

it's objectively subjective

also subjectively objective.

nvm

[formal pilot]

💀

[dense agate]

nah don't stop, keep cooking

[formal pilot]

He asked me a really deep question about why we can't hear light waves lol

Blud is master chef

[formal pilot]

My cat might not be orange, it's only my perception
This makes me sad

If everyone closed their eye, would there be no colours?
@manic juniper

[dense agate]

there is a certain condition that can make someone perceive this as true, chromesthesia

[formal pilot]

Just googled it, and oh my fkn god this Is crazy

[manic juniper]

Aren't there the phosphenes? We don't really see no colours

[feral river]

well it's a pvp match so every country selected by players have to participate the war between great powers

[rich thorn]

i wonder what colours they see when metal rock is played

[formal pilot]

This one?

[manic juniper]

Yeah

We see colours, they're just very vague and difficult to describe

[formal pilot]

Hold on i ain't getting anything, could you please elaborate more

[formal pilot]

Definitely not Taliban flag

[dense agate]

a cat is what you interpret as a cat, it could be something different, let alone the color

[dense agate]

epileptic attack incoming

[formal pilot]

My ex used to get those attacks 💀

[dense agate]

especially with heavy DOOM music

[dense agate]

hence why she's an ex now ?

[rich thorn]

grooving together with music. exclusive experience

i take back my words

[formal pilot]

Nope we grew apart
Apart from the attacks she was one of the most brilliant individual I've ever met

Anyway

Science always triggers my existential crisis

[dense agate]

womp womp

[dense agate]

you should give alchemy a chance

[formal pilot]

This can also answer the famous falling of tree in forest when no one is around question

It'll not make a damn sound

Because there's no ear around

[dense agate]

yes, the analogy i always use is a plane falling somewhere with no living creature, it wouldn't make a sound

and what a coincidence, look at what day it is

[rich thorn]

there is no coincidence

[formal pilot]

It was September lol

M/D/Y USA is fkd up

[rich thorn]

what america see.

[formal pilot]

Is downfall

[dense agate]

the West has fallen

[formal pilot]

Nothing will lasts forever not even Roman Empire or British empire

[dense agate]

you clearly never heard of Albania

[formal pilot]

Similarly west will fall eventually for few decades east will be dominant

[formal pilot]

Enlighten me

[mental bridge]

?def sadistic

[cursive bobcat]

Word: sadistic

Definition (null): deriving pleasure or sexual gratification from inflicting pain on another

Definition requested by anne_1707

[mental bridge]

?def sadist

[cursive bobcat]

Word: sadist

Definition (noun): someone who obtains pleasure from inflicting pain on others

Definition requested by anne_1707

[formal pilot]

💀

[mental bridge]

What

[formal pilot]

Defination of sadistic is mad

Could have been deriving pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others.

[dense agate]

it comes from the french author marquis de sade.
you should check his books, they're very family friendly

[mental bridge]

Ok

[dense agate]

discord not letting me upload a reply

[mental bridge]

"philosophy in the bedroom" lmao

[formal pilot]

Lmao send ss

[mental bridge]

That author is a rapist wtf

[dense agate]

when you're psycho and locked up in prison with nothing better to do, you start rizzin

that's when he started writing his books

[formal pilot]

As someone who was obsessed with Egyptian civilization I can say it might be true

[manic juniper]

Damn I'm the animal with the larger colour range

[formal pilot]

That's why you're able to discriminate more and be more racist
/S

[manic juniper]

https://jov.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2191517

[formal pilot]

Are you fr?

[manic juniper]

Mammalian cut content

[formal pilot]

I'm too dumb to get it

[manic juniper]

No mammal has four cones to my knowledge

Just like only one mammal has pneumatic bones

[thorny steeple]

Your knowledge is indeed quite limited in that case.

[formal pilot]

Now I get it

[manic juniper]

which one does then?

[thorny steeple]

That is quite not true.

[formal pilot]

They're efficient, don't need extra things in already complex machine

[manic juniper]

Which ones do then?

[manic juniper]

Yeah but most mammals don't have 3 cones even

Not having at least 3 is just stupid

[formal pilot]

💀

Imagine being racist towards innocent animals

[thorny steeple]

There is no point in me responding to the request, for the journey you will take to found out the truth is irreplaceable.

[manic juniper]

Sure pal

[formal pilot]

What about that article you sent earlier

[thorny steeple]

Pneumatic bones are found in flightless birds such as penguins and emus.

[formal pilot]

According to it some might have 4 cone cells

[manic juniper]

🤦🏼‍♀️ since when are penguins mammals?

Post-cranial pneumaticity is not a thing in mammals except for the howler monkeys

Even then it's hilarious because they have ONE pneumatic bone, the hyoid

[thorny steeple]

Oh, you said mammals. My bad I didn't read that.

[manic juniper]

The evidence isn't conclusive yet, it could be linked to colour blindness in males that results in tetrachromacy in women

[formal pilot]

To make em sound loud, that's masterclass by evolution

[thorny steeple]

I shall point out to the fact that the stance of hatred between different species is usually called speciesism, and hatred against animals is called zoophobia, although colloquially you would call it racism, I higly recommend to avoid such a gross inaccuracy.

[manic juniper]

Yes, I love how mammals took an extremely overpowered and valuable feature and used it in the dumbest way possible

It's like the steam engine before it was used to power machines of every kind, it was used for entertainment or making kebabs

[formal pilot]

Imagine saying mechanism for territorial defence, mate attraction, danger avoidance dumb

💀

[formal pilot]

Thank you soo much for your explanation, I'll make sure to use correct word in future

Does evolution favour dumb useless traits?

[thorny steeple]

That is quite noble of you to admit thy mistakes and master yourself to the very ideal stance.

[formal pilot]

Stop being racist towards mammals dawg, your reptiles are not better than mammals

[thorny steeple]

aint no way id fuck w/ reptile 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[formal pilot]

Don't force me to send a news article literally on it

[thorny steeple]

I hereby officially force you.

[formal pilot]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/india-gang-rape-monitor-lizard-animal-abuse/

[thorny steeple]

[formal pilot]

I'm not hydrated enough today, my brain ain't working properly, engaging in intellectual topics isn't good idea, that's why I'm out

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[manic juniper]

Yes but imagine if they used it to extend their potential and bring it to the stars

Hollow and pneumatic bones allowed reptiles to become overpowered, just one mammal with them could be too dangerous

It's hollow bones that allowed reptiles to challenge and defeat gravity

[thorny steeple]

Good luckk on your journey back from Africa

[feral river]

how an animal can be innocent ?

they are the human's property

you can't say your house or the 50 bucks on your hand is innocent

[thorny steeple]

hello

[prisma cipher]

Like Chinese were property of Japanese

[feral river]

in ww2 under Japanese occupation areas yes

[shy summit]

Bro Mine can you not with the shitty takes before noon? At least until I’ve had some caffeine in my system to balance out the nausea? @feral river

[feral river]

first, it's midnight here, second, I assume you are not affiliated with some stupid organization right ?

you don't really have to be the opposite of mine, you can give your counter point

and what I'm saying is basically, truth.

[fervent marlin]

Youre comparing living beings to objects

Innocence can only be granted to beings not objects and things

[feral river]

who said they are not an object ?

[fervent marlin]

objects dont have a nervous system, objects cant feel things

unlike us and animals, objects cant feel and arent alive

[feral river]

oh you mean "object" yeah they are not objects

but still no idea on how it is relating to innocence

can an animal be innocent ?

[fervent marlin]

if someone is innocent, they dont deserve what is being cast onto them.
whether its a human or an animal

in this case, animals did nothing to deserve what we do to them

[feral river]

I don't think an animal could be innocent because they are human's property

that was a contradiction to your statement

for example, I can eat my dog, can you say it's an innocent dog ?

no I have the right to disposal my property

[fervent marlin]

you caused it pain and distress when it did nothing to you, i guess you see it from an absolute competent point of view?
as in, anything that happens to you you deserve?

[feral river]

an animal could feel pain and distress that's the truth, but it doesn't mean that will stop my right to disposal their life.

if I cut off the food supply on them they will die by starvation

[fervent marlin]

I understand, so you think anyone deserves pain if it is bestowed upon them simply for their inability to fight back that pain and suffering?
As in, you deserve whatever comes your way?

[dense agate]

what trait do animals possess that makes them a property candidate

[fervent marlin]

Well we do own them, they are our cattle.

[dense agate]

you can claim ownership or guardianship over them, but this is well regulated, you can't do whatever you want with them as being a "property" implies

[fervent marlin]

Well, technically we can.
What stops someone is simply their morals and what they see as right/wrong as well as society and legalities.
But technically we can do anything to them.

[feral river]

I don't specifically understand what do you mean by anyone deserves pain, I think if you are painful under any circumstances, you can react against it.

if you are not reacting against it, who can feel your pain then ?

[dense agate]

technically you can break any laws or regulations, even when it comes to other humans, this isn't unique to animals

[fervent marlin]

You can react but you may not be able to stop it, if a human decides to bestow pain on an animal, rarely that animal can react to stop it.

[feral river]

we can do that.

[fervent marlin]

Yes, thats true.

What stops us from doing anything is morals and society, some have them, some dont.

[dense agate]

you can't, what do you think anti animal abuse laws are there for ?

[feral river]

yeah but does that affact the actions that I did to disposal my property ?

[feral river]

wym by anti-animal abuse laws ?

does this exist ?

[dense agate]

why do you think you can disturb "the public order" by abusing animals

[dense agate]

self explanatory

[fervent marlin]

It doesnt, what im trying to get to is do you think just because you can cause harm to an animal, the animal you're causing harm deserves it, simply because they cant fight back.

[feral river]

well ofc you can't disturbing social order in the public by torturning an animal

[manic juniper]

Yes

[feral river]

like you can't disturbing social order in the public by constantly break some objects

that's the same thing doesn't relevant to the target you are going to using for disturbing social order

[dense agate]

are animals objects ?

[feral river]

they are not but those are all actions that disturbing the social order.

[dense agate]

so you would be against torturing animals

[modest jacinth]

Hello

[feral river]

I still don't understand the deserve part, that was total subjective based on my views which I explained to you, I have my right to disposal my property.

[feral river]

in the public yes.

in the private areas who the heck will cares that

[dense agate]

it's okay to suffocate a cat as long as it's done privately ?

[feral river]

we can eat a cat or a dog as anytime we want

[fervent marlin]

its simple, if an animal deserves the pain, hes not innocent.
if he doesnt deserve the pain, hes innocent.
that was the whole point, about innocence.
its a moral argument because innocence is a moral thing.

[feral river]

if you accidentally killed your neighbor's dog, you may only have to compensate the money based on the value of the dog you killed.

[dense agate]

we're just talking about torturing, would that be okay as long as it's done privately regardless of anything else

[feral river]

well then I think you are right, you may have such moral view on something can be innocent regardless of which type of this stuff really is, you can consider a keybroad is innocent which broke by yourself because you are angry

[feral river]

I don't suggest that but you have the right to disposal your property.

[fervent marlin]

Yeah, but keyboards arent sentient beings, they feel nothing.
I think you get my point though, it comes down to your personal moral values at the end of the day.

[feral river]

perhaps, my point is clear, they are properties, I may not suggest you to misuse them but I can't condemn you for exercise your right.

[dense agate]

so for you it's all about the legal status, whatever is tagged as a property, the owner should have complete right to dispose of it if they please ?

[fervent marlin]

Yeah, youre right.
Anyone can do anything to whatever they own. No one has any authority to tell them do this and that.
But it also comes with morals so you ideally shouldnt just torture an animal for fun, even if you own it.
No one can force you to not do it though, it comes to personal values and morals.

[feral river]

yeah basically but as I always mentioned eariler thousand of times, law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper, even though it's illegal to do such thing but if there's no enforcement or no literal efficient enforcement you may risk yourself to do something illegal.

and you gonna pay your responsibility for it.

[dense agate]

i think you know what kind of examples i would use to show how flawed this is

[feral river]

I don't think you have any examples could use against this core truth.

Law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper

[dense agate]

that you'd be completely fine with disposal of humans if in a given context they are portrayed as "property"

[feral river]

that's not possible in anywhere around the world, we have police forces or somewhere under military rules they still have basic laws to regulate people what to do, what you can't do otherwise how much you gonna pay it.

[dense agate]

Mine, we're talking about this from a fundemental level, you're point was, the legal status is property then it's a property

just bite the bullet

[feral river]

based on valid enforcement, yes.

[dense agate]

you are pro human murder, genocide, enslavement... just because the law says it's a property

[feral river]

that is false accusation, no comments further.

[dense agate]

it wouldn't be shocking you tolerate animal torture

[feral river]

I don't do that I have 7 cats in my home they are living good

why the heck I would tortune them for nothing ?

can I get 500 bucks from tortuning them ? I can't

[prisma cipher]

But for money you torture them

[feral river]

btw their life worth more than 500 bucks

[dense agate]

that's called logical conclusion purely from what you've stated

[fervent marlin]

Would you manipulate your girlfriend to be with u if it had benefit for u?

lmao bro has 0 morals

[dense agate]

but according to -literally- what you've said, you're entitled to abuse them if you desire

[feral river]

well well well, I don't wanna state my affection history but I can give you my body count

[fervent marlin]

lmao

I feel bad for ur partner but hey, i respect the honesty lol

[feral river]

not really they know what I'm doing and they are the type of person who's doing it

so both are benefiting from each other

why not

[fervent marlin]

Would u use them if it had benefit for u?

even if it hurt them

[feral river]

who the hell says woman doesn't have the desire of sex ?

that was the stupidest thing ever

[fervent marlin]

im saying in general, like being manipulative etc...
im not talking about sex

[feral river]

well I didn't do that much, manipulate people I did it before I may break her heart but

[fervent marlin]

lmao thats why i said i feel bad for ur partner, but i still do respect the honesty lmao

[feral river]

nothing impact me that much and I did benefit from breaking up

[feral river]

you will never know how fucked your partner possibly be

I'm not a fucking guy who's just randomly breaking people's heart

there was a fucking reason behind it

[fervent marlin]

You seem to me like a "if it has benefit to me, i shall do it" kinda guy tbh

i mean, you stated its not wrong in ur eyes

[feral river]

yeah but interest do have differences, in my opinion if you ignore the long-term sustainable interest for short-term interest that doesn't even matter to you, you are so fucked of making decisions.

so I already got someone's virgin and there's nothing to having fun with it, why don't I just choose someone who fits my lifestyle to accept an easy request and we both don't have burden to liberate the innermost soul on the battle ground of a bed ?

it's hardly you can get benefit from breaking people's heart and you may got hurt back by their actions.

if you can easily get benefit from it you may find more people's doing it

where's the demand, where's the market, the unseen indiscernible hand of market is balancing everything.

if there's a business that everyone is doing, you probably will not benefit from it.

[feral river]

it's pretty hard to make me to do that, ofc I hold the right to disposal my property.

for instance, a million dollars

[dense agate]

i've already made and clarified my point about your stand

[feral river]

yeah but that doesn't make me a bad guy

[dense agate]

naah don't sweat it bud, since when being pro slavery or murder is considered bad

[feral river]

well no I don't promote that 🤣

don't criminate me from following the nature rule of survival for the fittest

[unreal harbor]

why is he promoting it?

cant find the original thread lol

[frail owl]

people in USA are you happy by TRUMP coming? I JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT UNITED STATES\

[unique light]

Nobody is happy with Donald Trump being president of the United States

except for people who actually think Trump is better than Kamala

totally clueless

[feral river]

https://youtube.com/shorts/X6avMV9TYTA?si=_0Rdhpb8LjvIDd8g

[feral river]

Even Joe Biden better than Kamala Harris

[unique light]

Joe Biden was one of the best presidents of the U.S. ever

[feral river]

Nobody wants a leftist backer that almost did nothing in recent years as vp and accusing some piece of shit to Trump

Donald Trump is just going to restore the order in the United States of America and make American people in the first place

He is not a European president he will make all of these guys pay for their protection fee

[unique light]

wtf are you talking about

He's gonna make rich people even richer

he's not gonna make America great

[feral river]

I’m saying he’s gonna restore the order in the US, no more zombies on the street, no more illegal immigrants, mass deportation

[unique light]

all trump does is push economic problems under the rug that’s how he made the gas cheap 🤦‍♂️

[feral river]

Put tariffs on everyone besides America

[unique light]

oh yeah, start a trade war

[feral river]

Yeah ofc he’s gonna do that that’s why I love him

[unique light]

this is beyond me

[feral river]

American doesn’t need a communist policy

[unique light]

What do you mean communist policy?

[feral river]

If you are seeking income equality go straight to North Korea, and you will enjoy it

[manic juniper]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/

[unique light]

Hi Suomi Queen

[feral river]

You said he will make rich people richer, what’s wrong with it ?

[manic juniper]

Helou

[feral river]

Is America a socialist state or communist one ?

No America is a capitalist state

[manic juniper]

A lot of things that Biden and his administration did are things that conservatives complain about

[unique light]

Rich people should pay more in taxes than middle class people

[feral river]

Who told you that

[unique light]

Common sense

[feral river]

Why you think they have to pay less taxes than the middle class ?

[manic juniper]

In fact I don't understand why a conservative would vote Trump when Biden and Kamala did objectively better even where Trump made promises, from border, to economy, to even fighting Big Pharma

[feral river]

Does your common sense benefit the country?

Your common sense makes no sense in economy.

Your common sense is backing the communist ideology against America

[unique light]

In Ireland, my taxes go towards supporting families with more children (monthly child benefit), as well as those on social welfare

[feral river]

Yeah that’s why you are staying small, that’s why you don’t have Northern Ireland

What about the United States ?

[unique light]

North or Ireland is part of the UK

[feral river]

They are superpower they can deploy troops in anywhere around the world

[unique light]

It shouldn't be though

[unique light]

What does this have to do with Trump?

[feral river]

Yeah Hong Kong is also part of the UK in before what about now ?

[feral river]

It does matter because he prioritize American interests

Not you guys

[unique light]

*he prioritizes interests of rich Americans

[prisma cipher]

Lol yea, when he said about make rich people more reach, I thought about USSR, he should love that because it's classic USSR propaganda words against capitalism

[feral river]

He prioritized the interest of American state.

[unique light]

lmaooo

[feral river]

Yeah I support that he should prioritize more on riches

I don’t think those poor are paying their fair share taxes to the government but the riches are running the business, paying taxes, controlling actual power and help trump and America to maintain the global order

Then I wanna ask, people walking on the streets calling for some stupid shit, what tf they are doing for contributing their country?

They did nothing only messing around

[manic juniper]

Rich people moved their businesses in countries where it's cheaper to produce, they are weakening USA

[feral river]

That’s why they are losers, they lose the election

[echo veldt]

Here in Brazil is the same lol

[feral river]

American people choose Donald J. Trump

Where does that fucking mind of poor should be equal as rich comes from ?

Soviet Union ?

[unique light]

Only poor people voted for Trump

[manic juniper]

no one said they should be equal, only that the rich should pay more to contribute more to the economy

[unique light]

All those rich states that contribute the most to the American economy voted Kamala

[feral river]

Yeah poor people know vote for Harris she don’t give a shit and Trump will fight for them

[manic juniper]

Money are good when they move around the economy, if someone is just amassing them then it's no good to the economy

[feral river]

You don’t know what swing state really is ?

Dude they lose, completely lose

[unique light]

lmaooo

[feral river]

If this election didn’t happen you have your valid point

But now you are just defending a loser

[unique light]

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-too-much-ignorance-bill-nye-bill-nye-the-science-guy-gif-12844424

[feral river]

A loser that poors doesn’t even give a shit

A L

L

[prisma cipher]

It makes me laugh, that person hate USSR, but want regime like that, actually what nail is dreaming about is also socialism.

[feral river]

Get off the stage as the L

[zealous mist]

I’m sure the millionaire felon businessman has the American people’s best interest in mind

[feral river]

Yeah I just wonder where the fuck does that equal mind stupid common sense comes from while I can’t find another answer besides Soviet Union and communism utopia

That is real communism

Well since Trump is elected I don’t need to address that much

I will just see what will happen next

I don’t give a shit to a loser, this is my principle

[zealous mist]

Yeah, the citizens of the US have spoken

it’s final

[manic juniper]

You don't need to be socialist to enact progressive taxation lmao

Even Czechia has that

[zealous mist]

What we thinking about the electoral collage?

College* lol

[prisma cipher]

You talking about Russia? We did that because we need extra money, understandable why. I don't even argue about that, hard times needed hard action.

It not good, it what need to be done

[manic juniper]

Progressive taxes should be the norm

[prisma cipher]

Not sure about that

[manic juniper]

Lower income inequality leads to lower crime rates

[supple harbor]

Hello I'm bored and wanna debate before bed and sleep with anger

[manic juniper]

So it kinda helps society in more than one way

[supple harbor]

Let's talk

[prisma cipher]

people pay the same percentage of their income, for rich people it is much more money

[zealous mist]

What do you want to debate about?

[prisma cipher]

If I work harder I pay even extra on this, why

[supple harbor]

I'm iranian so anything that relates to me

[prisma cipher]

Dorud

Also chafe sho

[supple harbor]

We had this conversation before lmao

[prisma cipher]

Jk

[zealous mist]

Did you hear about the Iranian plot to kill Trump?

[prisma cipher]

Short memory @supple harbor

[manic juniper]

So there are both flax and progressive taxes then

[supple harbor]

Mehhhh

Ofc I did

Payed 100k to some guys to pull it of
The main conspirator is in iran

[prisma cipher]

I don't know if you've noticed or not, but earning more money requires more work, more training and more responsibility, and for some reason these people also have to pay more to the state.

[manic juniper]

As someone that was promoted to an higher position in my previous job, yes it required more experience but I worked a lot less and I earned a lot more
There is also a point to be made, how is it possible that some people earn many millions more than others? Did they work or study for thousands of years in a row? I don't think so, maybe they should earn 100 times more at most

Anything over 100 times more seems like unrealistic rewards to me

[prisma cipher]

I have never had a situation where my job was easier and I earned more. I think your experience is unique.

it's always either more work or more responsibility

[manic juniper]

I had more responsibility but it didn't feel crushing to me, I was chief lab assistant at my university, I started as junior lab assistant years earlier

I never thought that I deserved more than those below me in the hierarchy, we just do different jobs and have different roles

[prisma cipher]

in general, I can agree, but people are different. Imo responsibility should be converted into money. as for worries about work, the strongest worries were at school, and then I was a different person. I know a lot people, who going crazy when it's about responsibility.

great responsibility requires great work and preparation, it depends on the place and position, but you invest your time by working well in your place, spend time on learning thing, you become pro, and then you get a position, where you can work less, but the responsibility is higher, I think you invested your work and your time in this, and you should not pay extra.

Of course, I'm leaving out cases where a person is cheating in his position, or received a position because he is a relative or friend of somebody

[smoky rapids]

Why people earn more that others people, because this people make things that others people don't, for example artist, managers and political. I think that real question is how the people spend your wealth. Thing again, how a people can concentrate wealth without earn wealth and how a people spend wealth without accumulate wealth.

[alpine meteor]

There is a cool, bearded Jewish-German fellow who lived in the 1800s who wrote specifically on the topic of Wage Labour and Capital.

[manic juniper]

The "people that make things that other people don't" is an argument that works for everyone, I don't clean the streets, that's a job someone else does. So it's worth as much as mine

[alpine meteor]

Working more does not necessarily mean you earn more. The same is true for physically demanding work.

The people who earn more are those who have control over the production of capital.

For example, people in real estate or finance generally earn much more than those in the trades or education positions. People who flip houses are not necessarily more skilled, educated, or hardworking; they simply have more control over capital.

Essentially, wages are determined by your position within capital's hierarchy as opposed to your individual labor power.

[prisma cipher]

In most cases it mean. in any position if you try harder than others sooner or later you will be appreciated, even if you are just a waiter in a cafe or something

it is clear that in addition you need to be proactive, not be shy about declaring yourself, and so on

[alpine meteor]

I get what you mean, but this doesn't often translate into higher pay or position advancement. My point is that regardless of how hard you work in your service-related job, it won't translate to wages as high as someone who deals in capital. Your wage isn't set by individual performance; it is set by the limitations of capital itself. You could work your ass off for 75-hours a week busting tables, and it wouldn't matter because it isn't hard work which determines your wage.

I work an office job with about three hours of real productivity in a twelve-hour shift. I make 7.2 times more per month than a miner living in Kenya. That's without factoring in all of the company benefits, as well as the fact that I live within the world hegemon with decreased product prices. I don't work harder than a Kenyan miner, yet I make far more, and my standard of living is higher.

Again, working harder does not determine your wage. Your position within capital's hierarchy determines your wage.

[prisma cipher]

Every profession has its own ceiling of possibilities. A person sets a goal to become rich and he looks at what needs to be done for this. And the main component is he has work a lot. He will work more, than people around him to achieve this goal. this is the only way to achieve something.

In working more I include things like education, discipline, you spend all your time on achieving the goal.

Working more, it's not like you waitress, and just work more then others, and agree to stay one hour longer after work, for washing dishes. I don't mean that

I don't think that such people should pay more taxes than those, who didn't try.

although there was a story in Russia. about Demidov. he was a gunsmith, he had money but nothing outstanding. but he was noticed by the young emperor. and eventually, thanks to the emperor's help, he created an industrial empire. he earned so much money, that many of his descendants, (some invested money successfully and many did not) lived on this money super-richly. They were super rich just because.

[thorny steeple]

hi

[worn bolt]

👀

[fervent marlin]

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[blissful flame]

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[thorny steeple]

Hii guys I am new here

[vocal cobalt]

hi

[thorny steeple]

The Weather outside is rizzy

[thorny steeple]

How old are you?

[candid dome]

hello

I am new here

[thorny steeple]

#💭｜general

[candid dome]

Ok Thanks

[tulip drift]

What topic do we have today

[vocal cobalt]

too old

[thorny steeple]

I am 19

[vocal cobalt]

nice to meet you bro i am 27

[thorny steeple]

What do you work?

[vocal cobalt]

I am unemployed

[vivid mango]

How do I..well write better essays?

[thorny steeple]

have a higher iq

[feral river]

Still didn’t see how it is benefiting the state.

[verbal torrent]

social media influencers be like 💁‍♀️ these mfs just take a photo of smth and earn a lot of money

[feral river]

Earning more money doesn’t really require you to work hard but work smart, in this economy system to find a job or a business opportunity is when you can fit the role that in demand on job markets, it’s almost same thing compared with the rule of goods are rare then goods are expensive.

If there’s a normal society while 99% of people are lawyers, the last 1% of people working for generic production would be earn more than almost all of those guys.

Meanwhile there’s many ways you can directly see how the economy is impact everyone’s life based on its rule, it’s not a stupid game that you will think impose more taxes on rich which will make your society more fair to folks, but will damage the entire class of people’s interest, you think they don’t have a counter measure ? They can move out of the country, they can get rid of the business leave it to the government that doesn’t have much idea to improve it because it’s monopoly, they can move their money outside of the country that doesn’t pay your taxes at all.

If each one of those happened that doesn’t benefit almost everyone, the situation will only be worse than it before

Why we impose more taxes or restrictions on poors, because they could do nothing to against it

Once they did some counter-measure we don’t have to worry about they are stable, they are poor, they are stupid, they are non-power

[thorny steeple]

because they could do nothing to against it

Except if they have guns

[feral river]

Our current economy situation has already compromised a large share of the society to make sure those folks don’t go rebellion while they can participate some economy activities to become a rich.

This is the most fair system ever.

[feral river]

That’s why we compromised a lot to those folks, we protect their rights constitutionally, we let them feel proud of our nation, we select them by market that filter which one is benefiting the society and which one is not.

I just don’t understand how a nice situation it is while those folks still want to have more power, then we go talk by tanks.

I’m not gonna say deprive more right and impose more taxes on folks, that may not work and cause more trouble but I can clearly see through the rule of the economy to say, impose taxes on rich only will harm folks’ interest

Who’s benefiting from it ? Authority. Their money doesn’t go to your hand awake fucking loser

[thorny steeple]

That’s why we compromised a lot to those folks, we protect their rights constitutionally, we let them feel proud of our nation, we select them by market that filter which one is benefiting the society and which one is not.

"let the market regulate the market" thats it

Libertarian process is happening in the society at large

[feral river]

that stupid left movement did not happening here is what I really appreciate.

they are the menace to the society hiding behind their so-called fairness, equality while what they are doing is stupidly follow some freaking ass opinion leader to f*ck everyone up

[thorny steeple]

the problem is the centralization of power of force in the hands of state, only when there are more people able to defend yourselfs with gun power, and kill and die for your compatriot, the government no longer be able to increase rates and taxes...

[feral river]

and they think they are the helper they are the savior of the society, when something already happened in the history that a group of proletarians rise up and destroy the economy, destroy the state, destroy everything what they have left ? a state deep in poverty, a state that is extremely unstable, a state that civil war constantly happens, a state that ultimately become an ultra-totalitarian because they can't maintain their freaking shit.

[thorny steeple]

Which country?

[feral river]

People's Republic of China, many people thinks we are communist apparently we are more capitalist than America

[thorny steeple]

seriously? hahaha

China is not communist?

You really confused me right now

[feral river]

yeah for sure, that's the main reason I will continue to stay there.

I'm from a middle class family and I do business before, my major is cyber security (irrelevant to my knowledge) but I can tell you much about how Chinese economy works and how american economy works

okay making sympathy to folks that can't even earn 200 USD per month, I just can't sympathy with a loser who is not even trying to get rid of their situation but blaming everyone and beg more sympathy ?

if I was the person who's under beg by them I will say get your ass fuck off this place

and guess what did we do ? we did clear them get the fuck off of them all back to their place rather than staying in the city of Beijing, Shanghai, and other provincial capitals

including my home, Jinan city, capital of the Shandong province, you will see there's no homeless man because every single one we get their baggage straight back to their field.

that's the reason you would travel in China without seeing a homeless, that's why we are damn clean, efficient, without that much social problems like in the San Francisco

thanks to Newson did a lot during the Xi's trip to San Francisco, American people would appreciate it if Xi travel all around the america, america will be clean as ours

LMAO what a crap

blame government on the social media platform ? immediate mute or block.

that's how we maintain our social order that damn well

[thorny steeple]

But Mao Tse was not a communist leader who killed millions of people?

[feral river]

he is but that's the past after the Deng came to power we transformed our state and economy towards capitalism

the biggest economy in the world based on purchasing power parity is People's Republic of China

second is United States of America

[thorny steeple]

but you have a limit how much you can make of money per year?

[feral river]

not much my net worth is around 60000 USD and I generate 2000-3000 USD passively per year

I'm a student

but average annual income in China is below this number

but if you only count the city I live in, which is higher than this number and surprising we don't need to spend much to buy stuff because we are the biggest good producer all around the world because our stuff is damn cheap.

[thorny steeple]

here in ocident they talk to mutch that people in China dont have freedom to make your on choices, living at a extremly totalitarian state and hostages of a system of social score, that make with the guys of already had problems with the justice or something like. Thats True?

[feral river]

not really, social score system is a lie, even western media confirmed it, and we are currently live under an authoritarian regime not totalitarian one

we don't have much problem in justice system

you can feel free to do whatever you want besides participating political events

[thorny steeple]

How the Chinese people deals with marital betrayl? The politics benefits the familys in your vision?

[shy summit]

Most of China isn’t like how Mine describes. Certain areas of China are allowed more fiscal freedom than others. Some areas are given more leeway. This gives it the appearance of a free capitalist state.

[feral river]

almost benefit everyone that contributed a lot to the society which means business owners, middle class people, and riches

[shy summit]

Places like Beijing for example are policed less heavily to allow for some level of technological development.

Most of rural China however is under stricter laws than the cities

[feral river]

you are right on this point even we have differences based on cities

in my city we only undergone 3 days of lockdown under covid but Shanghai ? lockdown, open up, lockdown, open up

the capital of the XAR were under lockdown for almost 4 months!

[feral river]

depends on the region if you are mentioning the Northeast China then yes, but if that's the case just above the yangzte river which government clearly released a regulative measures against strict rules on farmers then no.

[shy summit]

The justice system is another embellishment by Mine as well, its a thoroughly studied and understood issue:

There is a lack of transparency, gross overuse of capital punishment, lack of legal representation during inhuman interrogations which lead to incarceration without trial.

[thorny steeple]

if you are a Chinese you are free to move for another state inside Chine or you can't do that?

[feral river]

lol that's your interpretation compared with american justice system

[shy summit]

That’s comparative with the rest of the world mine. I have consistently criticized the American justice system

[feral river]

our justice system is completely based on the decision by the authority but they do follow the law as an instruction and guideline to prosecute people.

I don't think you would disagree with it, which is true.

[shy summit]

I disagree with many things in my country’s justice system

[feral river]

well I can't make such comment in my country but in here I don't care that much I would say it is a flawed system

you can see corrupted cases everywhere

[shy summit]

As Mine demonstrates, there is an increasingly worrisome level of nationalism amid the population @thorny steeple

[feral river]

like Tencent, a major company in China that almost never lose if the case were transferred to the Nanshan court.

[shy summit]

Of course the same can be said of many countries who have neo-fascistic parties

Beyond that there is the obligatory mention of forced labor that has targeted various racial and religious minorities in China, which has been denounced by a majority of the world’s countries.

[feral river]

also those courts are prosecuting political criminals like former Chongqing secretary, the biggest opponent of Xi jinping, Bo Xilai, who's the only man can challenge Xi's power were prosecuted by the investigation of corruption

but we all don't know where does that corruption comes from

[shy summit]

As you can see, their legal system is fucked

[feral river]

I don't wanna say this is a fair system, this is not a fair system at all, all the time but it worked

well I can't say that in the public if I was in my country because I may face prosecution of disturbing social order

and spread hate speech.

[shy summit]

Granted you probably won’t get a fair answer out of me or Minecraft here, he’s drank too much of the coolaid from the CCP and I probably am too much of a ‘Democratic Socialist’ to give you a look into Chinese global politics that doesn’t point out it’s use of genocide

That said @thorny steeple I’ll send you some third party resources on the subject if you want

[feral river]

I wanna say you are right on this point but I still holding a frank mindset on the CCP which is a qualified party to rule the China.

we don't have much choices.

technically and practically

[shy summit]

We all have a choice

[feral river]

move to america ? valid one but unnecessary to me

I can do that actually

[shy summit]

Oh hell no don’t come here lmfao, not looking much better with things going the way they are

Go to finland or norway

[feral river]

lmfao I can really do that bro if I decide to immigrate to other countries I will come to America

I won't go some places like Japan, Norway, Finland or other places like Israel, but United States of America

[shy summit]

Good luck you’ll have to pass a ‘whiteness’ test in the coming days probably

I embellish

Not for real

[feral river]

not yet I can enjoy my middle class life drinking my americano in the starbucks where in the center of the Jinan city, why would I get a fucking mortage that constantly steal my money and work in mcdonalds ?

[shy summit]

I do advise caution against coming here right now, hate crimes against minorities is up by 20% rn

[feral river]

in blue states ?

[shy summit]

Everywhere

[feral river]

woah that's a huge number

[shy summit]

Happened last time Trump was elected too

[feral river]

you are scaring me out of america I see

🤣 even I ever pay taxes to IRS

[shy summit]

Racists are emboldened by his own blatant use of white supremacy

[feral river]

I'm an american stock investor, a bond trader

[shy summit]

Women are fleeing red states for fear of their safety

They’re bleeding out in the parking lots of hospitals because they are being denied basic care. Doctors refuse life saving care for fear of being prosecuted by state governments

Laws targeting trans youth have driven families to other places

[feral river]

why the heck doctors would refuse life saving care ?

what ? that doesn't make any sense

[shy summit]

Because the life saving care is an abortion

[feral river]

oh crap

[shy summit]

The death rates for newborn infants and pregnant women has doubled in states that ban abortion

[feral river]

you can have a free abortion everywhere around China

it's totally legal here

[shy summit]

Sensible

Beyond that many same sex couples are fleeing to states where their marriage licenses are protected by state law.

[feral river]

I bet he will force every state to adopt abortion ban

which will likely a victory on his side of ban abortion nationally ?

but I don't see how it is benefiting the state

[shy summit]

Good luck half of them already adopted it in their state constitutions many of them are republican

[feral river]

they can still get an abortion to another state right ?

[shy summit]

Besides many states would just say “lmfao fuck off we’re not listening to you”

[feral river]

they just need to drive their car to a blue state and get an abortion

[shy summit]

Texas tried to make going to another state for it illegal

And is trying to stop pregnant women from traveling which is federally illegal

[feral river]

what

[shy summit]

I keep telling you man this is the party of Trump

[feral river]

how is that technically possible this is not just anti-abortion this is imprison pregnant woman

what the fuck is this too wild

[shy summit]

Because that’s all it’s ever been about

Controlling women’s autonomy

[feral river]

well... I still don't see what he can get from these radical measures against woman but

people support him apparently

🤷‍♂️

[shy summit]

This was a bunch of Trump supporters at Texas Uni the day after the election

[feral river]

oh wtf that was too wild (I support that animals are property but definitely not a human being)

if you are waving this in China you will face prosecution of disturbing social order and spread hate speech

this is slavery to define a human being as a property

clearly slavery

[shy summit]

Why do you think slavery is listed on his sign? Lmfao

[feral river]

what the fuck is wrong with these guy lmfao

[shy summit]

Texts sent out to black students in Texas by a Trump supporter the day after the election

[feral river]

duke university

[shy summit]

Fairly certain its in texas

Wait no

NC

North Carolina

[feral river]

omg I never thought the racist problem in america is that damn severe

[shy summit]

Its gonna be this bad and probably worse with Trump in charge

[feral river]

he's likely a racist

[shy summit]

At it’s height during the Trump years, hate crimes rose 35%

[feral river]

honest to say

but he's qualified leader that knows how to benefit american state at most

[shy summit]

He doesn’t

[feral river]

that's why support him I guess I know that was not good for american people

[shy summit]

He has no prior experience running the state before his last presidency

His companies in NY and his charities were shut down for illegally handling funds

Which is how he got famous

[feral river]

told people to drink disinfectants ? idk if it's a rumor

[shy summit]

That’s literally true

[feral river]

well I have heard a lot about Trump in our Chinese media platform I didn't take it seriously

[shy summit]

He suggested killing covid with bright lights here lemme pull the clip

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/politics/fact-check-coronavirus-briefing-april-23/index.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52399464

[feral river]

you will die from drinking disinfectant

[shy summit]

https://youtu.be/vfLZOkn0chc?si=pl-jzR-Y9sGdQhpb

[shy summit]

Do you understand why we’re all fucking terrified with this dumbfuck at the helm?

[feral river]

wtf is he speaking 💀

wait I don't understand what

[shy summit]

Yeah

[feral river]

wait what

[shy summit]

He’s got middle stage dementia probably, lots of doctors have commented on his behavior

[feral river]

using the powerful light inside of the body, and inject the disinfectant in the body under the instruction of a doctor ?

would help covid ?

[shy summit]

Nope

[feral river]

what the fuck is this stupid shit

[shy summit]

Welcome to my world

[feral river]

oh gosh this is crazy

I'm gonna check the original full speech

this is a clip

[shy summit]

Sure

If you want a full speech lemme find you one of his recent ones

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bX8kEHTbug

disinfectant works on the hard surface, so disinfectant works inside of the body

media who say I suggest people ingest disinfectants are fake medias ?

[shy summit]

Yeah no he kept pushing it

Here’s one he can’t deny

https://youtu.be/Xtj183SAP4I?si=bTnAn1DdG3-ylRFr

Just uh

Watch

[feral river]

ohhhhh what the

what the heck dude

im gonna share this to my friend

[shy summit]

He goes down on the Mic like its a blowjob

[feral river]

what the heck

he's doing that for sure

[shy summit]

Yeah wanna see his response to being called out? Its as funny as you think it might be

[feral river]

hadjob and blwjob on mic

[thorny steeple]

?

[feral river]

omg im gonna share this to my friend

[thorny steeple]

he is demonstrating his problem

people are so fucked up

[feral river]

well that was.... considerably a valid concern

I got terrified from this shit

[shy summit]

You know what he called covid when it first hit America?

The ‘Kung Flu’

[feral river]

china virus

[shy summit]

Kung Flu

[thorny steeple]

AHAHJAHAHAHA

[feral river]

crazy dude

[thorny steeple]

hating trump for being hilarious

[shy summit]

This is the same guy that said he’d date his own daughter if they weren’t related

[thorny steeple]

that's normal in alabama

[shy summit]

He’s from New York first off 🤣🤣🤣

[thorny steeple]

I appreciate so mutch if you can talk me more how things are in China, you can send me private chate if you prefer.

[feral river]

what's the trump-epstein case

[shy summit]

Sure I’ll send you the stuff if you want

[feral river]

I don't know much about it

[shy summit]

Oh that, Epstein and Trump were best friends

[thorny steeple]

but they can travel to alabama and fuck there

[shy summit]

He kept pictures of Trump hanging out with topless underage girls

[thorny steeple]

sorry for the delay I had to go to the oil station

[shy summit]

No worries hun

[feral river]

uhhhh... anyway that's his personality issue I think he won't screw americans up as it predicted

[shy summit]

https://www.epi.org/publication/ten-actions-that-hurt-workers-during-trumps-first-year/

[dense agate]

clutist aaaah reply

[shy summit]

I’d look at his actual economic disaster plan Mine.

Most people were worse off in the Trump years

[dense agate]

it's agonizing to see people believing his policies for the economy are good for workers and consumers

[feral river]

well that tariffs literally used for maintain the american dominance

[shy summit]

They did the opposite

The taxes that those companies had to pay? They just added the cost to what consumers had to pay

It just increased the price of goods in America

[dense agate]

there are studies about how tariffs affected the very industries it meant to protect and the consumers of their products

[dense agate]

exactly, some tariffs were applied on imported washing machines so that the local ones can compete better, they just ended up matching the new price for the imported ones

[shy summit]

It’s literally just this meme format

[dense agate]

the consumer foots the bill, and somehow his goal is to make life more affordable

[feral river]

That’s exactly my point

Tariffs in a short term will significantly increase the price of goods but will help domestic businesses and achieve industry independence

But regardless of how you gonna achieve it, your American worker is definitely more expensive than Chinese worker and the price of goods will remain higher than before

[lavish creek]

So what

Is it something new that there are a lot of stupid people?

[feral river]

that's a little bit offensive to us because we also let some criminals pick cotton in Xinjiang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5wypkBAIw4

[muted lantern]

This chat is deader than my phone at 2%. Y’all alive or what? 😂

[feral river]

it shouldn't be that active as all stupid guys yelling about their freaking shit

[prisma cipher]

Chill, and go study

[verbal torrent]

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[prisma cipher]

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[feral river]

🇺🇸 🇮🇱

[manic juniper]

Less funds to spend on police to pursue cases and solve them

Less property is damaged

[manic juniper]

Maybe the gulags weren't a mistake after all

[feral river]

well well well, you know how much you gonna spend on police, and how much you gonna spend on giving the equal wage for people ?

they ain't match at all

income equality is technically impossible in a capitalist society

and you can give them more money doesn't mean that they know how to spend it

most people will remain as a poor not because they don't earn enough money but overspending it

if the money were stored in the banks or holding by anyone without any transaction or simply, save it will contribute nothing to the economy cycle.

in other words, the income equality only will create more inequality in other fields

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[feral river]

the taxes imposed on rich doesn't really help you in any cases for a long-term maybe you are happy that they were being taxed, but guess what they have thousand of counter measures against the tax imposed by the government, they can move out of the country leave your country have barely no competitive industry in the global market

[manic juniper]

If they move out it's better

It's not like they are spending those money so they may as well leave

[feral river]

let's assume authority would use the money taxed from the rich will use it on the fields you would care about, education, medical services, but that ain't generate value

[feral river]

well then no riches, no competitive industries, your country will be like North Korea then.

because you can't generate value with bunch of proletarians

[manic juniper]

They are free to move to North Korea and start an industry there

[feral river]

they won't move to North Korea but they will move to somewhere and give them a settle with a lower tax or zero tax like Singapore, Dubai, Shanghai, Hong Kong

and Israel

that's why they are rich, and their citizen are generally rich

[manic juniper]

They can try that, most of those places are small and don't have the same opportunities, resources or population as the largest economies in the world

If rich people prefer to live in European countries despite all the taxes maybe there is a reason behind that choice

[feral river]

you have know that if you impose your taxes upon those riches, you will unable to use your resources and population to grow your economy

[manic juniper]

Not all do, but a sizeable amount of them don't move out of their countries

[feral river]

nobody wants to do a business with a high tax.

[manic juniper]

When USA used to have high taxes on those people they did not move out, and their country grew stronger

[feral river]

and a high tax would literally means less business.

[manic juniper]

Neoliberals thought that giving more money to rich people is good because they will eventually spend a lot of them, but turns out that it's not the case and the society isn't improved at large

[manic juniper]

Taxing the business is different from taxing rich people

[feral river]

they may not spend a lot of them but they would try to spend it or invest it not storing it in the fucking banks

storing money in the fucking banks literally means a portion of wealth on the market disappeared

that contribute nothing of your economy

and rich people have the professional teams to manage their wealth to investing industries, real estates, buying golds, bonds, contribute to the economy

[manic juniper]

Why don't they move to China if they hate European taxes?

[feral river]

or you give those money to poor that they will only buy some stupid stuff from riches that instantly goes down in value which eventually the money back to riches under domestic economy cycle

[manic juniper]

Maybe because they still prefer Europe

They could raise and impose progressive taxes all at once so they force those people to stay or move to countries where most wouldn't like to live in

[feral river]

I don't know that much happened in Europe but I can tell you every government gives subsidies to certain industry, every government impose high taxes on certain industries but depends on which one is taxing much which one is not.

[manic juniper]

Industries are different from individuals

[feral river]

in China if you buy a box of cigarette that means you paid 20% of taxes to the government, and cigarette business were monopoly by the government

and if you find some data you will see there's less revenue generated by cigarette business every year.

they aren't growing that much.

[manic juniper]

That's good, they need to die

[verbal torrent]

did he count russian monki

[manic juniper]

I don't want to treat people for self inflicted lung cancer

[feral river]

lol, what I can say, I would say they are contributing the economy in the first place

[manic juniper]

Yeah but it's a paid cancer industry

[feral river]

and idk if you want them die or not most countries do high tax on luxuries

[feral river]

but let's go back to some black history of CCP, if Mao zedong in Jinggang Mount saying that no fucking cigarette businesses that damages people's health, they won't have the money to expand army and win the civil war.

everything is backed by the economy in the first place.

[manic juniper]

But Mao isn't alive and you don't need cigarettes to win a war now

[feral river]

the only privilege you got is based on the stable revenue generated by your industry and what you are promoting is likely destroy them.

another example is Russia's main government revenue relying on vodka export and consume

they will running out of the money to recruit more soilders, buy more advance weapons to fight against Ukraine if they say no vodkas, that's for people's health even the death rate by over-ingestion alcohol is among the highest in the world.

so you got 2 choices if you are Putin

1. ban the vodka for people's health and lose the war, dismantle the Russian Federation
2. let them thrive sell more vodkas and win the war, then subsidize other industries to generate more profit and slowly cut vodka off for people's health.

[manic juniper]

I didn't say to ban cigarettes, but you can slowly kill the industry like New Zealand is planning to do

[feral river]

why the hell we have to kill a way that could generate revenue ?

[manic juniper]

Alcohol has more cultural value than cigarettes also

[feral river]

contribute to the economy will benefit everyone in this country

but cutting off certain industries or taxing on the riches will only damage folks' interest

[manic juniper]

You don't have homemade cigarettes, amateur cigarettes, regional cigarettes, the most you have are Cuban cigars and other products like those but they're not that many or special compared to alcohol

[feral river]

you know what the word rich means

[feral river]

but why we can't have them ?

we can have more cigarettes and sell them for the economy

rich people have no burden to consume and once poor people addicted they will generate more revenue

once they got sick they will pay their medical bill

[deep leaf]

R they planning to get rid of it?

[feral river]

sometimes they are broke and all of their money contribute to the economy and they die which have no aftermath upon everyone

if I was the leader I would say why not ?

[manic juniper]

https://www.concordcoalition.org/issue-brief/historical-tax-rates-the-rhetoric-and-reality-of-taxing-the-rich/

[manic juniper]

Yes

[deep leaf]

Ig it will difficult to do as tax they earn form it n addiction of ppl

[manic juniper]

Cigarettes are banned for people born after 2008

So their industry will gradually die over the years

[deep leaf]

Yes maybe, yet they will find some other addiction to have

[feral river]

that's sick

why don't we allow people from drinking alcohol and smoking just after they were born

or we force them to consume those stuff

and our economy will boom

[prisma cipher]

No but he said and etc, what mean any languages

[dense agate]

but they way they're dealing with it is through a ban lel

[manic juniper]

Gradual

[dense agate]

albeit, a ban

[prisma cipher]

Don't touch vodka

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCWvzL58tM

[dense agate]

totally, revoke lead ban as well so the money wheel keeps rolling

[umbral narwhal]

Solve the mathematical question

[ancient lava]

Math is not about the formulas, its about the way you solve problems in general. learning how to deal with problems with a more level headed and logical approach.

[shy summit]

Mine, putting more money in the pockets of poor people has always been better for one reason.

Fiscal velocity.

[broken birch]

Interesting

[shy summit]

Whenever we give rich people more money the money doesn’t come back into the system, no one benefits. They have no need to spend it. But if more money ends up in the pockets of Poor people they spend it immediately on things like food housing medicine and childcare items

That creates more wealth for everyone and reduces the burden on relief aid programs

[broken birch]

If you read books you should try reading Rich Dad Poor Dad
As Robert Kiyosaki says (if i wasn't wrong): if you collected all the money in the world and give everyone on earth the same amount, people who were rich would be rich again, and people who were poor would be poor again

[lethal sparrow]

"b-but that means rich people would be less rich!"

[shy summit]

The point is about achieving a better wellbeing for the biggest number of people

But doing it within a limited market

[broken birch]

If you gave a poor man some money, most likely he would invest it in a wrong way that doesn't benefit him and that's why he is poor
And if a rich man got stolen, he already know how to gather money so he can be rich again

[broken birch]

Hope my grammar is good enough lmao

[thorny steeple]

it worked when we had extremely wealthy people who could not really move anywhere and the surplus they don't really need and don't invest in anything was just lying around like in the Scrooge McDuck cartoon, of course that time the government raised taxes to the clouds and directed the excessive money back into the economy.
ANd that is not the case now at all, since most of the wealth of billionaires is in assets and already working in the economy

[broken birch]

If you want to do something teach poor people how to be rich or at least how to manage every one dollar they get

[broken birch]

Yk Africa is a huge piece of diamond and gold but in the same time they are poor asf

[lethal sparrow]

Wrong. The New Deal proves you wrong. Also blocked. You're another idiot.

[thorny steeple]

the new deal was a huge fail and america recovered because of ww2 and state expenses

funny guy

[lethal sparrow]

Can't read blocked messages. Bye bye.

[thorny steeple]

who cares

lol he continues to refer to me even tho im blocked

bro deleted his message 🤣

so pathetic

[lethal sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222540798201954404/1305172987384692746/1727133329174404.jpg?ex=67321091&is=6730bf11&hm=ecf04f05049106933f5e980b35de64671c95ddff7a79186028939be97b45691d&

[feral river]

that was called domestic consumption which will not grow your economy bigger only provide some incentives to your local business

[lethal sparrow]

I really wish I could read blocked messages. Too bad.

[primal moss]

u dont know man... this is true

[fervent marlin]

Proof?

[primal moss]

look at the gif... its real

its proven

[fervent marlin]

Ahhh you got me

[primal moss]

haters say its fake

[fervent marlin]

Youre right ig im a flat earther now

[primal moss]

yallah... welcome
we have people all around the world

[fervent marlin]

Lmaoo

[shy summit]

I have a three day weekend so fuck all of you 🤣

[dapper laurel]

Holy crap

So true

My days off on the weekend are just one

[feral river]

if you wanna earn some money from other countries, you need a group of rich entrepreneur with experienced team to dominate the global market

not a bunch of small business owners only know how to do business in their street

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-eHOSq3oqI

maybe it's the reason that economists hate trump's tariff

but his tariff is used for maintain american dominance over the earth

[dense agate]

maintain US dominance and at the same time vouch to disband NATO and drop support for Ukraine, yes

[feral river]

he's not really going to disband NATO but threat Europeans to pay their share and protection fee for the US

Ukraine is not his shit

neither under the US global order

[dense agate]

he made his goal clear, thankfully they passed a law to stop the country from leaving it

[dense agate]

either you're very naive or extremely naive

a major adversary attacking a country you were backing, hmmmmm

and you say the US has no interest in Ukraine

[feral river]

not really I would say it's pretty clear that Ukraine, a poor nation, the front defense against Russia which is neither in the NATO or being influenced much by american investors

does Russian is in the US global order ? if you say 2018 I would say yes but not now dude

neither Ukraine is in it.

[dense agate]

so was South Korea, Taiwan and Israel when the US started backing them, it wasn't their wealth, it's mere interests

[feral river]

wealth were part of the interests.

and we have priority to choose what we gonna preserve

why don't you go protect some nation in africa then

if you don't care about poor or rich

[dense agate]

mine, what wealth was in a random small peace of middle eastern desert when the US got involved in supporting Israel

[feral river]

oh what the fuck you don't know that ?

oil

after the gold standard, the USD is based on the oil

[dense agate]

do you know how much oil Israel has ?

[feral river]

it was binded to the oil

[feral river]

no but use Israel as proxy could threat the nation who want to escape from the US global order

Israel is the only US proxy in the middle east

[dense agate]

it was US interests in that region that got them to back Israel

[feral river]

yes

if oil price doesn't bind with the USD, we don't have any reason to use it for global trade

[dense agate]

South Korea had no wealth when they were backed by the US, it was pure interests

[feral river]

and you can't use your money printing machine to cause inflation that loot other's asset so easily

[hidden marten]

You’re typing here mr Saimon

[feral river]

that was in the cold war era, not under Trump administration

how many times Trump meet with North Korea leader is what I think uncessary to mention

[dense agate]

if you're telling me that you can't see how the Rusky-Ukrainian war can involve US interests, then you'll need to rethink about it

[dense agate]

VC is about Islam, always islam, gets too boring

[feral river]

I can tell you it has, but it was not worth that much as you think.

America doesn't need another Vietnam war

and Ukraine war is likely to be it

[hidden marten]

Oh yeah some people just like to hate certain religions rather than criticizing them logically

[dense agate]

Russia being stuck into a Vietnam-esque war similar to the US, wouldn't be good for the latter's interests

[dense agate]

yea, but even if you have valid criticism, these kind of conversations go nowhere

[hidden marten]

That’s why I leave the chat when certain pseudo intellectuals join. You never know when they ban you for pissing them off 😄

[dense agate]

you reached my point before i said it, except it would be Vietnam for Russia

[dense agate]

Pseudo-intellectuals is the best way to describe them, debating for the sake of debating

[feral river]

idk if it will be, I only see they are likely to have a negotiate with Trump and annex some part of the Ukraine to end the war

or cut off the Ukraine supplies, let Russia fully annex the entirety of Ukraine

[dense agate]

that's what Trump hints at, which is basically surrender

[feral river]

I support that lol

I can't be more obvious I support Russia and Israel.

[dense agate]

a lot do, but it doesn't align with US interests

With the rise of China, BRICS, Ukraine-Russia war, this is the worst time for an isolationist to get in office

[feral river]

he's not a isolationist lol

[dense agate]

large parts of his policies are

[feral river]

idk why you guys hate trump

nale is a socialist that make sense

[dense agate]

i'm stating reasons why his policies are bad and you're wondering why

[feral river]

I don't wanna say his policy is the best in the world, but it's better than Biden administration

at least he really do something for the economy, for the dominance

he know what things have the most priority

[dapper laurel]

Who wouldn't be better than Mr. Dementia?

However trumps predecessor didn't do as bad with the economy as others say

[feral river]

let's say Kamala Harris ? she's pretty bad I think

[dapper laurel]

She is more lucid, but the foreign policy is almost the same

[feral river]

lucid with a bunch of leftist supporter and ignoring what the fuck have happened at the border

[dapper laurel]

Everyone knows in the end that she made most of the decisions during the Biden administration

[hidden marten]

You mean no matter if it’s the government of democrats or republicans, the foreign policy remains same ?

[feral river]

nope

[feral river]

nope

they have clear differences on foreign policy

[dapper laurel]

No, no, it's not that at all, but her foreign policy would be similar to Biden's (I'm talking about Kamala)

[dapper laurel]

It's not in her interests

[hidden marten]

Of course they both represent democrat party

[dense agate]

Biden's administration did well both at home and abroad

[feral river]

lol

even nale won't say he did well at home and abroad

[dapper laurel]

I've been waiting for 2 years for Ukraine to win, if that matters

They spent a lot of resources for a stalemate

[dense agate]

what made you assume it's going to be a short war ?

[dense agate]

oh no, this changes everything

[manic juniper]

2 years is still a short war

[dense agate]

yes

[manic juniper]

It didn't even start 2 years ago anyway

[dapper laurel]

Apparently the Russians thought so

[feral river]

2 years isn't a long term war lol

[dense agate]

it's going to be a long, long war

[dapper laurel]

Kiev by 3 days

[dense agate]

in HOI4 maybe, irl not so much

[dapper laurel]

It's about to end

[feral river]

not really I'm saying irl

in hoi4 I will just need few month

[dense agate]

we can't know for certain, but if Trump surrenders it could

[feral river]

yeah we will keep supply Russia to let them win

North Korea already send their troops to the front line

what we are doing is handling their logistics

[prisma cipher]

How do you imagine Ukraine's victory?

[dense agate]

China doesn't bind itself to any Russian cause, they could drop them in a moment if they want

[dense agate]

a win in this situation could be counter intuitive, it would be hard to imagine Ukraine getting back the lost territory

[dapper laurel]

My predictions for the peace treaty:
Signed in Istanbul between Russia, Ukraine, USA, and the highest levels of NATO and the European Union
•Buffer zone for Russia along the entire border with Ukraine
•Russia will annex what it has conquered (annexation will be recognized by the Western bloc)
•Ukraine will not be able to join NATO for the next 20 years
•Western states will have large contracts to rebuild all of Ukraine
•Ukraine will be able to join the European Union
•Ukraine will strengthen relations with the United States, which will indirectly continue to supply it with weapons
•Expulsion of all citizens who recognize themselves as Ukrainians in the newly conquered Russian territories

[dense agate]

turning this into a long and painful war that sucks as many resources from the Russians is a good outcome from a US perspective

[prisma cipher]

if victory means taking back all the territories. what will Russia do, when Ukraine takes back all the territory, will it say we surrender? I just can't imagine what picture of events you have in your head

[dapper laurel]

There will be no victory for them, but they will not be completely destroyed either

[dense agate]

EU would never recognize the annexed lands
no NATO for Ukraine ever, or EU membership (it has a military component)

[prisma cipher]

Ok than

[prisma cipher]

And?

[dense agate]

the other outcome of Trump allowing Russia to annex those parts to end the war, would be giving a message that these kind of acts are rewarded, Russia and other adversaries will exploit this

[dapper laurel]

Well, from the moment a peace treaty is signed, it is inevitable to recognize a Russian victory and annexation of territories

[dense agate]

what and ?
im saying what Russia won't agree to

[prisma cipher]

The EU may agree to call Russia by another name, or agree not to recognize the territory, and then what?

[dapper laurel]

Then there would be no basis for a peace treaty

[dense agate]

EU doesn't recognize Crimea as part of Russia

[feral river]

My predictions:

Russia will fully annex the Ukraine.

[dapper laurel]

This is for now, maybe with a future peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine, yes. This war started in 2014

[dapper laurel]

Wanna bet?

[feral river]

after you win the match with me

[dapper laurel]

No, wait, I actually don't have money

I spent it all last night

[dapper laurel]

This is hard, you know

You play as Germany

[dense agate]

yes mother

[dapper laurel]

Me as the Soviets

[prisma cipher]

They never recognized it and what?

[dapper laurel]

You've already erased me

[feral river]

you can sign a contract with me that unconditionally work in the cotton fields for permanent life.

[prisma cipher]

I truly don't understand why it matter

[dense agate]

and period. that's it

[dapper laurel]

How much will I earn?

[prisma cipher]

Even china don't recognize it, but we work together

[feral river]

0 USD per month

[dapper laurel]

Fair enough

[feral river]

but I can provide free place for you to live with enough food for survive

not bad right ?

[dapper laurel]

I'm in

[dapper laurel]

Will there be girls?

Hire some girls too

[feral river]

probably or you can rob them to the fields with you

there's no cops can get into my fields it's on mars

[dense agate]

????

[dapper laurel]

I can raid other fields, cool, I expect to have a team to get all the resources though, can you get them for me?

We can also establish an independent state and declare war on the world

[median temple]

Why you change your country every week

[dapper laurel]

It depends on my mood

I'm in Turkish mood now

[dense agate]

just this message alone is enough to give you a free "re-educational" trip

[feral river]

im down if I will be the eternal supreme leader of everyone

[dapper laurel]

For example I would like to conquer the Balkans now

[feral river]

everyone must unconditionally follow my order or death

[dense agate]

you won't be the first Italian to try kek

[dapper laurel]

I would like to be re-educated in truth

[dense agate]

we'll conquer greece he said, give us a week

[dapper laurel]

But in the end we conquered it

[prisma cipher]

You all don't understand something here. Firstly, we most likely don't have such a large contingent to capture large cities of Ukraine. Now the war is going according to a different scenario, we can't concentrate forces, because drones are flying. And on the other hand, the cities in Donbass are fortified fortresses, which are very difficult to attack. But behind them are fields, and behind the fields are populated areas that have no experience of many years of built defense. And those territories will be taken way easier. It war match

[dapper laurel]

Like Albania, and some parts of Yugoslavia

But we are brotherz now 🇮🇹🫱🏻‍🫲🏿🇬🇷

[feral river]

don't worry I have friends work in the re-education centers I will cover your back

[dapper laurel]

🇮🇹🫱🏻‍🫲🏿🇬🇷🇦🇱🇷🇸

[dense agate]

in the end y'all got rizzed, and lil musso got fanumtaxxed

[dense agate]

Albania > all balkans (including italia)

[dapper laurel]

Yes

🇦🇱💪🏿💪🏿👐🏿

Jjjkkk

https://tenor.com/view/black-albania-me-albania-be-careful-gypsy-gif-859021745449867172

[dense agate]

patriotic albanian

[dapper laurel]

👐🏿🇦🇱👐🏿🇦🇱🇦🇱👐🏿🇦🇱👐🏿🇦🇱👐🏿

[feral river]

you will be sentenced to death under the anti-treason law agianst Italy 😠

[dapper laurel]

[feral river]

this is promoting separatism against western Italy

Albania was an integral part of the Italian nation

[dapper laurel]

We need some re-education camps

[dense agate]

Albania is the cradle of western civilization

[dapper laurel]

You can't imagine my face when I see this 😂

[dapper laurel]

@feral river

WHY WHY WHY

[feral river]

Hanging death, immediate execution!

[dense agate]

i mean, if i had to choose between reacting to loosing an election like this or January 6th, i'd totally go with this

[dapper laurel]

Well, I would have chosen something in the middle, you know

Cuz kamala belongs to the middle class

[feral river]

she belongs to leftists, communists, anarchists

and she's a loser

[elder sky]

Dmden bir şey sorabilirmiyim

[dapper laurel]

I'm not Turkish btw

And what kind of thing would that be?

[elder sky]

Ok

[lavish creek]

actually he is jewish

[lavish creek]

something in poor language

inflaguage

[prisma cipher]

@manic juniper downloading spyro, switch version (remastered) you said, at least first game is good there. I will try it

[feral river]

https://www.vox.com/scotus/383884/supreme-court-donald-trump-tariffs-inflation-economy

what a death match between world's largest and second largest economy

btw that would significantly increase the prices and inflation to combat with us

[tiny knot]

@modern lily @modern lily

[manic juniper]

The first game feels a bit outdated in gameplay but the other two are great and timeless

[prisma cipher]

Ok