🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63R4vMwlDY

if you ever listened this

it has english version I guess

[clear meadow]

u didn't even get the translation right smh

[still urchin]

i just unlocked a new fav song

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWt8r74xF98

that was a old song lol

[clear meadow]

those are 2 of the islamic dialects revealed by prophet Muhammad

[clear meadow]

don't even get me started on the bible

[dull breach]

How do you spend your free time?

[clear meadow]

why do I need to?

I already answered

some better than others

[still urchin]

how i didn't see this before, thats actually smth that can make you genuinely smile

[clear meadow]

among translations?

dude oml

[clear meadow]

ur arguments are weak as hell

reveled by angel Gabriel to prophet Muhammad*

I joined the server? where is it?

source?

[dense agate]

German Reich and DNSR at the same time ??

[feral river]

in hoi4 we got 3 german state code, GER is German Reich, DDR is Fascist East Germany, and WDR is West Germany

[weary belfry]

But how can he be ur right hand? He's just a kitten

What's Koran

Understand it. Thanks for the explanation

[feral river]

yeah I guess if you like it, I ever heard this song few years ago

released at 2018

[still urchin]

he used to, now he grown up

[still urchin]

few years ago, i feel like i missed alot

[clear meadow]

These are different qira'at, which is something well-known. All have rules to follow to be considered valid. The othmanic Qur'an is the base for all recitations,

thank u that claim was dumb

[weary belfry]

Woah. Looks like a noble(?) cat ngl

[void wedge]

Delicious for you isn't it? 😭

[weary belfry]

Yes

True guess

[clear meadow]

he didn't translate it within the context of the verse

[dense agate]

you should start a playthrough with the Cold War mod, and observe

[void wedge]

I hope a big cat eats your dog
🤝

[still urchin]

cause he is from the cat council what did you expect, in that pic he was wondering and thinking for a judge you deserve for all the cats you devoured before

[feral river]

well not interested because that was being moded by someone

there are few mechanics allows you to made ai repeat historical claims and focuses

[weary belfry]

This is not possible. Cuz my dog likes to chase cats and cats run away

[feral river]

if you are in an observation mode to look at the general case of the hoi4 game starting from 1936 you will see there's 0 out of 100 communist spain won over nationalists

0 out of 100

[void wedge]

I mean tiger, lion by a big cat but it's up to you

[feral river]

well actually I don't really know that much about Islam lol

[weary belfry]

I think he was thinking more abt whether he was going to have cat food or fish for dinner lmfao

[feral river]

I would even wonder what the fuck they are talking about

they are just making things complicated

telling rules or traits by stories

that ain't really efficient for you to understand it

[weary belfry]

Tiger? Imagine if a tiger came to Turkiye just to eat my dog 😂😭

[still urchin]

i cant blame you for thinking this way, you can actually bribe him with a bowl of dry food and he will forget about all your bad deeds, i cant count on him anymore

[void wedge]

I can make people from Cezayir take your dog and give it to a tiger

They're good at those stuff

[weary belfry]

great news

[void wedge]

Just like celal Şengör's iphone 😭

[weary belfry]

Lmfaoo

You still remember this

[void wedge]

Still?!?
Bro it was yesterday wdym 😭

I see alzheimer in you

[weary belfry]

[void wedge]

[dense agate]

still it's fun, i remember also playing the Millennium mod, and simulating Israel-Gaza war

[void wedge]

She saw that @still urchin

[feral river]

you should 1v1 with me in Millennium

[weary belfry]

@still urchin Where can I find that food?

[dense agate]

the stuff the modders did with the Focus Tree is pretty impressive

[void wedge]

💀 😭

[dense agate]

what are you going to play there ?

[feral river]

idk depends on you if you are going to play USA then I will go China

[dense agate]

you're Israel and I'm Iran

[feral river]

no freaking way 🤣

[still urchin]

im trying to push her to get some evidence in 4k

[void wedge]

[feral river]

there's even no focus for Israel

[still urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/hdjs-shocked-dog-icream-eaten-gif-12372087

[weary belfry]

Nooooo

This is a betrayal

[dense agate]

it would be realistic, we'll use the outcome of who wins to decide who's right in real life

[weary belfry]

Against dogs

[dense agate]

there is, but I'm talking about the mod

[feral river]

IM DOWN

[void wedge]

You a cat eater
Me a dog eater
Deal?
Deal 🤝

[weary belfry]

No

[still urchin]

oh now we talk, ik now what i should do whenever you mention eating cats

[feral river]

FUCK NO NEED TO TALKING SHIT LET'S HAVE A RUN OVER IT

[weary belfry]

I haven't shaken hands with you yet

No deal

[weary belfry]

NOOO

[void wedge]

Gimme some dogs asap

[feral river]

@dense agate schedule a solo

[weary belfry]

What's going on here

[feral river]

or right now freak

[dense agate]

someone is excited hahaha

[feral river]

FACE ME

[dense agate]

i'll get HOI4 when it's on sales and we can play

[feral river]

I CAN"T WAIT TO SMASH YOU

[dense agate]

buddy, i might not be good at the game, but you ain't winning

[void wedge]

Dogs going into my stomach 😋

[dense agate]

if i can't win then mutual destruction it is

[still urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-bisho-cat-michi-dog-gif-17576965

[feral river]

I bet it's not I'm totally down

[still urchin]

i already signed papers

[void wedge]

🤝

[weary belfry]

@void wedge @still urchin

[void wedge]

Friendly fire

[still urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/قطة-العماري-يوسف-غاضب-يضرب-gif-22202426

[still urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-handshake-trouble-origins-hug-bro-gif-17702863

[clear meadow]

neither do u 💀

u just said Gabriel wasn't mentioned in the Quran

[thorny steeple]

?

@dapper laurel 9 am now

[tame saffron]

Hello

seems there's a fight going on.

Idk I need to see for myself

[clear meadow]

Sources?

[tame saffron]

huh? please check again

[dapper laurel]

Well, while you enjoy your morning, I'll enjoy my afternoon coffee. Have a good Sunday mate!

[vague temple]

Hii

How are you?

Good good

[feral river]

that's too offensive to someone who can't even afford a coffee 😭

[dapper laurel]

🤷🏼😭

[hardy kestrel]

hi

[gritty atlas]

Hi

[magic olive]

@thorny steeple

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandni_Chowk

Read this, it says it falls under the Central District

[harsh mountain]

Hey chat. Anyone wanna talk about religion?

[manic juniper]

Nice pfp, is it from Galaxy of Heroes?

[harsh mountain]

No. That's princess leia from star wars

[manic juniper]

Yes, but the animation looks like from Galaxy of Heroes, it's a Star Wars series on YouTube

[harsh mountain]

Galaxy of adventures

@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

Sorry I confused it with the game

[harsh mountain]

Haha it's ok

[manic juniper]

Yes it looked like that

[harsh mountain]

It is from that

[manic juniper]

I miss those shorts, they had amazing additions and animations

[harsh mountain]

Yeah

[manic juniper]

He's literally me

[harsh mountain]

Wrinkled? 😭

[manic juniper]

I don't know, a pale and evil person
Also we share our birthdays

11th of August

[harsh mountain]

Ohhh that's cool

[manic juniper]

0 since genders are made up

[harsh mountain]

Yes. We literally made it up to sort ourselves

It doesn't really matter if you think about it

[manic juniper]

Sexes are male and female, I never studied or read "genders" anywhere throughout my doctorate

Made up

Explain why objects have a gender in some languages?

[harsh mountain]

A doctor? Oooo doctor of what?

[manic juniper]

Ecology and evolutionary biology

[harsh mountain]

Two things? Wowww

[manic juniper]

No they're the same subject

It's one thing even if there is the "and"

[harsh mountain]

Yeah like "la mesa" being table but it's feminine

[harsh mountain]

Ohh ok. Still awesome that you're a doctor

[manic juniper]

Thanks : D

[harsh mountain]

I wanna be doctor someday too

Currently studying pre-med

[manic juniper]

Good luck with that, how old are you?

[harsh mountain]

19

In some languages, objects are gendered.

[manic juniper]

Tables are female in Italian, why is that? Do they have sexual organs, chromosomes, or they wear skirts?

Most languages in Europe

[harsh mountain]

Spanish, German, Italian, French, etc

[manic juniper]

So? Plenty of languages have genders

Does that make them real? 🤔

[thorny steeple]

Objects like nouns and articles that accompanies them, every Latin language has those

[manic juniper]

Yes, so humans created tables to be male and female, now they can create new genders

[thorny steeple]

Foreigners that learn portuguese make a lot of confusion with them, it's bizarre

[manic juniper]

Names have genders too even in languages without genders

[harsh mountain]

True

[thorny steeple]

Is "Andrea" in Italian a masculine or feminine name?

[manic juniper]

In Burmese there are many names shared between men and women

[manic juniper]

Both

But it's rare to find a woman named Andrea

[thorny steeple]

Andos says it sounds feminine

[manic juniper]

Because it ends with A I guess

[harsh mountain]

Andrea Botez. She's a chess Master

[thorny steeple]

Andrea Bocceli but he's a man

[manic juniper]

Romanian has Andreea for women and Andrei for men

[harsh mountain]

And Andrew in English

[dapper laurel]

It's boti

[thorny steeple]

In Portuguese we have Atila for men

[dapper laurel]

Are you talking about me?

[hollow light]

And Arabic

[manic juniper]

There is a myth about the name Kimi, it's a male name in Finnish but I've heard that it exists in Swedish and it's for women

[dapper laurel]

People talk about but when I'm not there, cool, makes me feel important

[thorny steeple]

We had a discussion about whether Andrea sounds masculine or feminine some time ago

[dapper laurel]

And powerful

[harsh mountain]

Ohh? I had a guy friend named kimi and he was German

[manic juniper]

However I've never heard anyone in Sweden named Kimi, and even on internet I can't find it anywhere

[thorny steeple]

So someone brought that up on the chat and I recalled it

[dapper laurel]

Here in Italy it can be both masculine and feminine

Kamu calls me like that

[manic juniper]

If one has to be accurate it's a name intended for men

[dapper laurel]

Even if my name is not Andrea

[manic juniper]

I don't know how it ended up being used by women too

[manic juniper]

Interesting

[thorny steeple]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[harsh mountain]

His name was Kimi Niko B.

[dapper laurel]

How did you get that chat back? Lol

[feral river]

whether you will be masculine or feminine if I break the spaghetti in front of you ?

[dapper laurel]

A friend of mine is called Andrea, nice name I must say

[thorny steeple]

Lol just typed "Andrea" in the search bar

[manic juniper]

Man, it's a name in other unrelated languages

[thorny steeple]

I remember that

[feral river]

break it and mix it with ketchup as the topping of the pizza with pineapple

[thorny steeple]

Andos, Kamu is a good deal for you, she lives nearby and is the same age as you

[manic juniper]

Gender: dead

[dapper laurel]

Well

I mean

[manic juniper]

She wants to annex Andos

[harsh mountain]

What a way to stop gender

[dapper laurel]

I'm taken actually

Not with her, ofc

[harsh mountain]

They kidnapped you? Kidding

[thorny steeple]

She says sudtirolo is Austrian, she has a plan

[dapper laurel]

She claims me 😭

[manic juniper]

Maybe Austria will start something again

[dapper laurel]

🤣

[feral river]

what the heck

[dapper laurel]

I think I will be Austrian by 2030

[feral river]

you don't love me anymore little cheaterah

[thorny steeple]

All the women in Brazil are cringe and bluepilled

[copper dove]

north korea better than india

[dapper laurel]

I will love you forever, you will always be part of my heart

[harsh mountain]

Hopefully it's a world class restaurant and not another Reich

[thorny steeple]

I think you'll have to fight unification wars against them once again

I claim Minecraft's sister

[dapper laurel]

"here we go again" aaaahh moment

[thorny steeple]

Here's your opportunity to become the 21th century Garibaldi

Giuseppe Mazzini

[dapper laurel]

Well, I'm actually mixed, so it wouldn't make sense after all

[harsh mountain]

Has anyone wondered if life is worth it or that we're just alive to fulfill the expectations placed upon us.

[feral river]

I'm gonna lie this bitch and tell I love her, and then I'm gonna leave her right after I f her, I'm gonna break the heart after she sucks this d, and why ? because I'm motherf boy shit.

[manic juniper]

I think both things are true, there are many nice things to see in life but ugliness is threatening them and they are slowly disappearing

[feral river]

sounds like you dude

[dapper laurel]

Lol

[thorny steeple]

Garibaldi is worshipped by many nationalities. Actually, Colombus had been always seen as Genovese for centuries until they found out he could have been Spanish or Jewish

[dapper laurel]

But I'm better than this 😡😡😡

[thorny steeple]

So just hide your identity

[harsh mountain]

You're right

[dapper laurel]

Naaah, Colombo is Italian, don't trust these conspiracy theories

[manic juniper]

Why

If a thing is made up then you can create another made up thing

[thorny steeple]

It's genetic evidence, but they didn't reveal many things about that because it's too recent

[manic juniper]

The same way other languages have genders for inanimate objects

[dapper laurel]

His parents' names do not appear to be Spanish

Maybe some ancestors, but he was Italian, at least culturally

I am convinced that one day they will make Augustus black or Jewish

[manic juniper]

Yeah, then you're referring to sexes, not genders

There are only two sexes in mammals

Because mammals are weak and limited

[copper dove]

u

[manic juniper]

Those are sexes

Yes everyone knows that

[copper dove]

Nice try diddy

[manic juniper]

They don't feel nice in their body, it's the same as people undergoing cosmetic surgery but worse

Technology isn't there yet

[copper dove]

because governments dont care about their mental health

[manic juniper]

Looks awful to you, but maybe they feel better. I also don't like cosmetic surgery

We have mRNA vaccines, genic therapies, cloning, one day technology will be there

Yeah that's why they want to be free to do it

Uhm no there are people that need surgery for example after a car accident or because they're born with a deformity that hinders their lives

It's the best solution there is at the moment

There is no practice that changes someone's sex yet

It does most of the times, if it doesn't it's usually because of discrimination

Are you a prophet? How can you know?

Because you help mentally challenged people by listening to them

But they don't want to kill themselves, so what's the point of this comparison

If your goal truly is to avoid their suicide then you should listen to them, because the opposite is what causes those

Genital mutilation makes people feel worse, if that process makes them feel better then it's not mutulation

That's what they used to do in asylums in the 18th century, it's not a good solution in the modern age unless the patient is acting violent

[thorny steeple]

Gaius iulius caesar rabinnus mbamba augustus

[manic juniper]

People aren't cars, what's the point of this comparison... And if your car has components that risk it blowing up then you get rid of those components

Can you say something serious or is this just a circus

[thorny steeple]

People always call Isfrun ignorant when they run out of arguments in here

[manic juniper]

I don't think that's normal, but they are adults and adults are free to do stupid things as long as they don't annoy or hurt others

Yeah western agenda is pursuing your freedom and have a fun time while respecting others, I also did that.

For example I climbed a children's school when I was 17 and I had a fun time, was it wrong? Yes. Was it illegal? Yes. Did I feel better? Also yes

People already drink blood without being vampires

Doctors came to the conclusion that transgender people need therapy and often surgery to feel better, if someone truly cares about them then at worst they shouldn't interfere and at best they should protest for easier access to therapy and medicines

Porn doesn't exist outside the West? What's Thailand then? And prostitution is legal even outside the West, as if we invented it that's ridiculous

[dense agate]

what's up with an individual claiming they are something ?
they're free to do so, it's their own autonomy.
idk how's that surprising when we live among many who believe there is a magical man up in the sky whose piss moister our fields

[manic juniper]

By who? By people that didn't study their subjects?

[dapper laurel]

Lel

[hybrid siren]

You choose to watch porn regardless it's your right or not

[manic juniper]

I guess Thailand is a western country now

Who enslaved people? Literally everyone did

The West was just better at winning

[dapper laurel]

They are ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

[dense agate]

many of these presumed bad deeds were done in the name of Christianity, makes one think...

[dapper laurel]

The hardest statement I've heard this week

[dense agate]

civilizing missions in South America and Africa, i wonder in whose name they were done

lel

[hybrid siren]

It being banned doesn't mean it doesn't exist, people love to break laws.

[dense agate]

what would you say about Korea then ?

[manic juniper]

True, Africans were busy speaking to elephants, Asians were picking up flowers, native Americans were counting the pigeons and other people were riding turtles in the seas, until Europeans invented and exported slavery

The world was so peaceful before Europeans ruined it

[copper dove]

slavery existed since the dawn of time

[feral river]

that's how it works lol

beat it losers survival for the fittest

[manic juniper]

Nobu doesn't think so

[feral river]

we are only on the path that westerners have done already or doing so

[dapper laurel]

Literally the Arabs, the whites, the ancient Egyptians, the Japanese, the Turks and the Persians did it

[manic juniper]

Yes, my country was one of the firsts to be colonised by other Europeans

[hybrid siren]

Ethnicities enslaved their own people

[feral river]

I don't get it why the hell they have to care your freedom since you didn't pay even 1 cent of taxes to their government ?

it doesn't make sense you literally have no value to them

[manic juniper]

During the same period Arabs were capturing people to be sold into slavery in the North Mediterranean Sea

[hybrid siren]

but you can be a threat to them

[feral river]

yeah that's it you got it man

so what they have done is expected

maintain the social order of your place

[manic juniper]

Maybe the theory about Egyptians being Europeans was true
And the Israelites were Europeans too
Otherwise why were they practicing slavery?

[feral river]

they would use force to teach you a lesson that do not disturb the social order

[manic juniper]

Who ruined the Balkans...?

[feral river]

while they are conducting attacks against the west & its allies and keep saying you guys sucks right ?

[dapper laurel]

Others did this too, it's not a justification, but literally the Arabs colonized Spain and Sicily killing the "infidels" and the Turks oppressed the Balkans for more than a thousand years

[manic juniper]

The ottoman empire and Muslims were western I guess

[shy summit]

I don’t think this is appropriate.

[dapper laurel]

It's not always fault of the West buddy

[copper flare]

[dapper laurel]

The whole world is Western, at this point

[feral river]

well Kim Jong Un what a great leader that helped North Koreans to get rid of the famine and initiated a new economy plan which making North Korea no longer to struggle on its economy

in North Korea after Kim Jong Un succeeded the leadership they don't need to worry about the famine, the covid anytime anywhere

[manic juniper]

America is the entire West I guess

[feral river]

there's full of the goods in the shops people can buy

[shy summit]

The west has mad a mess in some regards but its more politically stable than other regions in the world which has led to overall better living conditions.

[dense agate]

you don't see me asking for you to be flayed alive even though you cross me as someone who checks for borderline mental *tardation

[feral river]

idk why you are keep saying this I don't think if Kim Jong Un is not in charge North Korea would be better than now

[manic juniper]

My country got its independence in 1917, it never enslaved other people, if anything we were enslaved by others until the 15th century

[dapper laurel]

Nosense statement + schizo yap

[hybrid siren]

they could be fine in the long run... they could survive population decline, economic collapse etc

[shy summit]

You need to fix the whole government, otherwise you just send the power down the chain to the next crazy asshole.

[dense agate]

i was talking about it in the context of slavery, Korea had it for around 1600 years.
it appears it's not only the west who has been practicing slavery

[feral river]

it's Kim Jong Un succeeded the power and develop North Korean economy, solving production problems for farmers and loosen the strong regulation by government/

[manic juniper]

It's ridiculous how a Christian is crying about the West when most Christians in the world are a result of western imperialism

[shy summit]

Very VERY few nations did not practice some kind of slavery.

[copper dove]

The problem is not the Western people, It's the ruling classes, Since the Industrial era they are exploiting the entire world through colonialism.

[manic juniper]

I could understand the wimping if it was an atheist or a non-Christian but it's hilarious coming from a Christian

[dapper laurel]

It's literally history

[manic juniper]

Why would I trust a non-westerner on history about my country? You don't even know the history of Christianity

[dense agate]

brain farts, that's the only explanation to what you've just said

[hybrid siren]

shuush, western people did a lot for the entire world actually. the technological, medical achievements wouldn't've been possible

[dense agate]

this has to be a troll

[feral river]

I don't think if you change their government will help their case, they already had a deal with americans which is already broken up under Kim-Trump summit, Trump wants Kim to dismantle its nuclear arsenal, Kim wants Trump to normalize the North Korean trade ties with world and abolish the sanction order

[manic juniper]

Why are the Americas and the Philippines Christian majority

[feral river]

put another government in power would only suffer from this case

[manic juniper]

You can't even point where my country is on the world map

[shy summit]

You have to be kidding here. Christianity is only one of the largest cultural movements the West has as its backdrop.

It’s literally a HUGE cultural contextual foundation

[dense agate]

a revelation from god told me to give guns to all the mentally ill

[manic juniper]

I asked why they're Christian, 0 reading comprehension

Your country probably got Christianity from the West as well

[dense agate]

lel

who am i to question god ?

[copper dove]

The technologies developed for people to be living better. but still, they are still exploiting the world through multinational companies exploiting resources and infiltrating governments. Which causes like immigrations into western nations and affect the western people.

[shy summit]

Nobu, 60% of people in the US still identify as Christian

[manic juniper]

Enjoy the successes of colonialism, only some of them I guess

[feral river]

well that's not a bad thing I would say

[manic juniper]

Sure I bet that Christian missionaries grew from the fertile soil of Sri Lanka and started preaching to the locals about it

[dense agate]

it was wired to your brain by god ?

[feral river]

that's just a good deal that I have better technology and you are poor so I settle my industry in your country for cheap labor in exchange and you will be developed under this process

[hybrid siren]

I highly doubt that, countries that align their interests with the West are more likely to advance in their economy

[shy summit]

You can say “fake Christians” all you want but that doesn’t change that they actively attend church on Sundays, pray before meals etc.

[mortal sonnet]

Going to church literally means nothing

[hybrid siren]

It means something

[shy summit]

Christianity, much to my dismay, is still a huge aspect of Western culture.

[mortal sonnet]

Nope

[feral river]

that means something in religious scale of interpretations

[mortal sonnet]

I could go to church and be an ass hole

[shy summit]

I said Christians

[hybrid siren]

lol

[feral river]

aren't Catholics Christians ?

[shy summit]

A man who sins can be a Christian.

[feral river]

I thought they are all Christianity

[hybrid siren]

but they don't go to church to be an ass hole, there is a difference

[shy summit]

That’s fundamental to Christian doctrine.

[mortal sonnet]

What?

[shy summit]

You cannot claim that because a man commits a certain sin that he is not Christian,

How do you know that?

Do you listen to their prayers at night?

[mortal sonnet]

I meant going to church doesn't mean you are going to heaven or are better than others

[feral river]

why would you be better than others by going to church ?

that's ridiculous lol

[mortal sonnet]

Thats my point

[feral river]

LMAO ok

[shy summit]

It means you have greater investment in the faith than someone like me, and that you participate in the institution that is Christianity.

[feral river]

you think people going to church are better than someone

I would say LMAO

[hybrid siren]

Going to church means something, it means they're at least trying.
and what are the requirements to be a christian in your view? is there a defined law outside the bible?

[mortal sonnet]

Dunno

[manic juniper]

They succeeded in some of their goals, controlling your country, spreading Christianity, have people accept it

[shy summit]

It’s the “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

[feral river]

I think you just need to identify yourself as Christian and do some activities as what you wanted

[manic juniper]

They also succeeded with my country, most people are Christians

[feral river]

that's all enough isn't it

[shy summit]

@turbid ivy

[feral river]

you won't get some money from praying

[hybrid siren]

that's not true

[manic juniper]

Can confirm

[mortal sonnet]

Lol

[feral river]

what the heck they aren't Christians because they sell porn ?

[shy summit]

You realize churches encourage that right?

[feral river]

what the fuck ?

[shy summit]

They want marriage happening within the faith

[feral river]

how does that relevant to sell porns ?

they have their freedom to sell anything they wanted under the law

[hybrid siren]

maybe you're confusing Atheists with christians, you sound ridiculous

[feral river]

you are using religious context to deprive one's freedom @turbid ivy

[hybrid siren]

which country?

[feral river]

you think they aren't Chrisitans and I don't give a shit

[dense agate]

wow

[shy summit]

You guys lost that war to the British. Then they felt sorry and gave ya’ll some land back…

[feral river]

actually they are Christians as what they wanted to identify themselves as Christians

I can literally say I'm a Christian because I believe in Jesus

[mortal sonnet]

This conv is ending towards nothing

[feral river]

no problem with it

[hybrid siren]

"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
maybe you're not righteous as you think you are

[feral river]

what the heck is your state ?

[shy summit]

Welcome to most of politics

[hybrid siren]

which country?

[feral river]

what is the name of your state

[dense agate]

same, jesus revealed the path to me

[feral river]

let me check

[mortal sonnet]

Just pay some electrical bills my fruend

[hybrid siren]

no you can't

[hybrid siren]

Satan believes in Jesus, does that mean he is a Christian?

[feral river]

it's good if you find your life or yourself through religion

[shy summit]

Thats why I was out till midnight last night working on a special job honeybooboo

[manic juniper]

Not only they controlled your country, they were the ones that abolished slavery... Oh boy

[mortal sonnet]

Picking up a side hustle?

[shy summit]

Had to come second to Uni

[feral river]

he can say he's Christian and you will never know

[mortal sonnet]

Ok

[manic juniper]

UK

[dense agate]

yes especially when it can be whatever you want

[mortal sonnet]

Thing is. We should all stop talking abt thid

[hybrid siren]

Of course, and who's saying the Christians in west doesn't repent?

[shy summit]

Lemme get something spicier

Ahem.

^^^6%^^^

[mortal sonnet]

Ill bring yall to justice

[hybrid siren]

where are you from?

[feral river]

Sri Lanka ?

that state recently bankrupted ?

under UK in history

[hybrid siren]

The fact you're saying this indicates you aren't really a Christian and i see hypocrisy in you. which really isn't a Christian value

[feral river]

where ru from ?

[dapper laurel]

We are so back

[manic juniper]

you asked which country controlled yours, I said UK, I know which country you're from

[hybrid siren]

the word "You" indicates only one person

[mortal sonnet]

We are going to deliberate the christians

[feral river]

you know we built highways through Nepal right ?

[dense agate]

sadly he doesn't read, or unable to

[shy summit]

[feral river]

I'm a friendly neighbor, People's Republic of China

[manic juniper]

Jaffna is the name of the monarchy not of a place, and it says when they controlled your country in the screenshot

[hybrid siren]

Yeah lol, i am starting to think that

[shy summit]

‘Friendly’

[feral river]

remember that Maoist movement in Nepal

[mortal sonnet]

This is looking like a npc chat

[shy summit]

It can sometimes

[feral river]

we annexed a tiny part of their territory for building highways

[mortal sonnet]

Where yall from?

[shy summit]

But usually its because we’re all laughing at Mine’s ultra Neo-Realist takes.

[dense agate]

lel

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_Civil_War

[manic juniper]

It's Britannica not chatGPT. I thought you were from Sri Lanka rather than Nepal

[mortal sonnet]

Whenever I ask this nobody answers im telling u dude theyre all npcs

[feral river]

I guess you remember this our export of revolution thing in your state @turbid ivy

[manic juniper]

Why is someone that was never colonised by the West so obsessed with it

Then why do you complain about colonialism

Or porn

[shy summit]

Its like being the only cheerleader on the team who didnt get to sleep with the quarterback and get her heart broken

[manic juniper]

So?

[hybrid siren]

and who are you to judge?

[feral river]

your friendly neighbor People's Republic of China wants to hear you guys call us 'evil'

[shy summit]

Someone post a gay gif we’ll summon a demon

[manic juniper]

You do not

Just earlier you said that transgender people shouldn't be allowed to do what they want with their bodies

[hybrid siren]

@turbid ivy you sound like the pharisees

[mortal sonnet]

Lol

[feral river]

or we just add some checkpoints inside of the areas you controlled ?

we can do that lol

[shy summit]

[dense agate]

i barely got to look at the gif...

[manic juniper]

Most doctors agree that to feel better they should be allowed to get the therapy and surgery needed

[shy summit]

This is a fact of medicine

[manic juniper]

What if someone isn't Christian and doesn't support porn...?

[feral river]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60288007

ops, it was must a mistake

[hybrid siren]

I don't support porn, but who am i to force the people making porn to stop doing it?

[manic juniper]

Then it's better if you study more about them rather than talk from an ignorant point of view

[feral river]

Xi's administration really doing a good job for Chinese people and nation

especially deal with enemies

[hybrid siren]

https://tenor.com/MCdN.gif

[shy summit]

Nobu I’ma send you a 50 site meta (sociological and medical) study on transgender care. You should read it.

[manic juniper]

I'm not well informed on them either, I just go by what's said by the WHO and the DSM

[hybrid siren]

How are you any different from the pharisees? they used to kill adulturers

[shy summit]

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

@turbid ivy

You should read this before you say something uninformed and I have to correct you.

[manic juniper]

On transgender care?

[feral river]

maybe you know Humla district would have a better name 'East South Tibet'

[hybrid siren]

why is china claiming everyone's land nowadays?

[shy summit]

Thankfully I’m actually read up on TG care.

[dense agate]

how tf does a mental health issue equate to being mentally challenged??

[hybrid siren]

that's not Christianity

[feral river]

because living space or territories are always important to a global power

we are doing for our people's interest

[manic juniper]

? Then you have no knowledge on it, your degree is useless

[hybrid siren]

expanding your territory by bullying your neighbouring countries? not a safe living space

[shy summit]

Please refrain from such statements

That’s a tad too far

[feral river]

wym by bullying ? we are the peace maker and we offer the best solution for regional prosperity

[shy summit]

Hey hey not okay

[manic juniper]

You don't even need to agree on the gender they identify as, if you are a real Christian you'd seek to make them feel better even if it means lying about your perception or opinion of them

[hybrid siren]

a Christian curses?

guys this guy isn't a christian

[feral river]

you are free to curse anyone you wanted.

that's your freedom

[shy summit]

We aren’t going to go for low hanging fruit here, keep the ad hominem out of here.

[feral river]

🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[dense agate]

i apologize, i was possessed by a demon lel

[hybrid siren]

or is there a kind of christianity in nepal we don't know about?

[manic juniper]

Galatians 3:28
There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

[dense agate]

sure

[shy summit]

If you two need to go beef harder, you can do it elsewhere but keep your beef on the arguments themselves

At least here

[hybrid siren]

read your bible first

[shy summit]

Now, https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

@turbid ivy If you really want to understand Nob you should read this

This is a great starter

[manic juniper]

I have a doctorate in an unrelated subject, at least I admit my ignorance. That's why I said that I trust the WHO and DSM-5 over my assumptions on transgender care

[dense agate]

there isn't much ground to talk on when one claims mental illnesses = mentally challenged or molested

[manic juniper]

Yes, so it doesn't matter if they are one or the other

[manic juniper]

Must be my hat

[feral river]

anyway bro I have no idea dealing with your obsession on religious context to interpret everything but... you are doing a good job with our muslim friends so thank you all the time

thank you for your service in serious chat

[manic juniper]

24

[dense agate]

they're the same, potato potato

[feral river]

he's better

BETTER

[dense agate]

i meant christianity and Islam

[dapper laurel]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend aaaaah moment

[shy summit]

Only 4? I’m an Atheist and I’ve probably read mine more than a dozen,

[feral river]

yeah but you know why would I say he's better you know that just keep that in mind 🇮🇱

[manic juniper]

I'm not liberal

[shy summit]

I’m a socialist

[feral river]

**you know me better than myself 😭 **

[dense agate]

i was paid by 🇮🇱 to say i agree with you buddy

[manic juniper]

I'm an opportunist, authoritarian if I'm in power and anarchist if I'm not

[feral river]

I'm a capitalist ?

[manic juniper]

Now you sound like a liberal

[feral river]

don't you are already in power ?

[hybrid siren]

https://tenor.com/bLhK5.gif

[dapper laurel]

True mate 🤝🏻

[manic juniper]

Little, I have my embassy in Antarctica

[feral river]

you should be like Kim Jong Un and I will follow you forever

[untold mesa]

It's not really true. During many eras of humanity, asians (EA/SEA) dominated the world.

Turkic empires (Ottomans) were originally warriors of east asian origin, then came Genghis Khan, and on a smaller scale, the Xiongnu Confederation

[feral river]

even though heaven and hell all collapsed, you still live in our hearts forever and we will uphold your leadership

[manic juniper]

Are you aware that of the absurdity of my statement was done on purpose to counteract that guy's dumb argument...?

[untold mesa]

No, I just joined the convo

[feral river]

wym by SEA ? I never heard of SEA dominated the world

[manic juniper]

On what

[feral river]

there's only few prosperous places in the world, Northern America, Western Europe, East Asia, and Oceania

[manic juniper]

If I'm lying then why were you disagreeing?

You're the one that claimed the West invented everything bad

[untold mesa]

What people refer to as "asian" in phenotype, SEA are included. All of SEA in modern days have EA origine as both are closely genetically related

[manic juniper]

Because I thought you were from Sri Lanka, it's not even related to the discussion

[feral river]

well partially yeah but they aren't the center of the civilization of the asians\

[untold mesa]

There's no "center" as it's quite subjective

[feral river]

and they neither having a powerful influence dominating the region nor prosperous society

[manic juniper]

I agree, you didn't say anything about the debt slavery that was going on in your country

[feral river]

well that's not so subjective as you think because we literally have histories about how they were being dominated by other powers

[untold mesa]

Well look at the message I responded to. She mention "Asians were picking up flowers"

[manic juniper]

https://digitalcommons.macalester.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1673&context=himalaya
Interesting, that form of debt slavery affected Nepal until the 21st century

[shy summit]

Slavery still exists in Japan in the modern form

And in China

[feral river]

I thought you aware China has

nvm it. freak

NO WE DON"T HAVE SLAVERY

[untold mesa]

EA/SEA modern days are closely genetically related. Would you say that americans in modern days got dominated because they occupy the land of the native americans that were the dominated?

[feral river]

I don't think you can relate their status by gene, which is not a thing to define a power

[manic juniper]

Through slavery, got it

[feral river]

if you think the people who shares the same gene with others will be prosperous or powerful then that was incorrect.

[untold mesa]

But I don't think you can relate by geography as not everyone is directly related to genghis khan nor the turkic empires. Plus the context of human migrations

[shy summit]

Modern slavery yea you do

[feral river]

because you mentioned a geography context, which is SEA

[manic juniper]

It doesn't force them into peonage, that's for sure

[feral river]

and I responded with geography perspecitive then you questioned me about genes ?

[untold mesa]

She said "asian" do ypu live in US?

[feral river]

I don't live in the US

I live in China

[untold mesa]

That's why you don't get my perspective

[feral river]

now I'm in South Korea I ever been to SEA

[untold mesa]

Outside of EA/SEA, people in most english speaking countries when they say "asian" they refer to EA/SEA as they are classified under the same phenotype from the result of being closely genetically related

[manic juniper]

"The services required to repay the debt may be undefined, and the services' duration may be undefined, thus allowing the person supposedly owed the debt to demand services indefinitely.[2] Peonage can be passed on from generation to generation.[2]"

It's not just seizing of property, it's forcing them to work indefinitely

And even forcing their sons and daughters

[untold mesa]

@feral river it's not that deep. That's why I said EA/SEA because we're in a server dedicated on learning english, and to some people, the term don't refer to phenotype as they use the term geographically to refer to Asia as a whole

[manic juniper]

But that's not even defined, so it could go on forever

Says so on Wikipedia

[feral river]

but what your statement is asians (EA/SEA) dominated the world, I don't think that was correct because you included SEA

which SEA is not even apart of major campaigns

[manic juniper]

Article 1(a) of the United Nations' 1956 Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery defines debt slavery as "the status or condition arising from a pledge by a debtor of his personal services or of those of a person under his control as security for a debt, if the value of those services as reasonably assessed is not applied towards the liquidation of the debt or the length and nature of those services are not respectively limited and defined".

[feral river]

and they barely involved into the regional matter but always as a subject of other powerful states

[manic juniper]

It's amazing how a country that was never colonised engaged in this practice

[untold mesa]

Because I translate "asian" in the meaning of eng speaking country as (EA/SEA) and again, look at the message I responded. She stated "asians were picking flowers"

[manic juniper]

Yes, that's why I sent the official text from the United Nations

[manic juniper]

They didn't have slavery and evil things according to Nobu

[feral river]

well okay, then do you think in the era of dynasties SEAs ever dominated the world ?

[untold mesa]

Nah, that's rlly false

[manic juniper]

Those were invented by the West and exported to the rest of the world apparently

The Mongol Empire was a bunch of people and their horses sitting on a round table and drawing the borders of an imaginary, peaceful state without oppression and violence

[untold mesa]

SEA were still in an expansion era, EA kinda is but was more connected by land with the rest of Asia which gives them the advantage geographically speaking

[manic juniper]

And they never expanded into Eastern Europe, causing the destruction of many states in the region

[feral river]

I just don't get it why people obsessed with the term of violence or oppression something that is necessary to establish the order and rule

[feral river]

my point is clear, they aren't part of the dominating progress of the world but playing as a subject of other global powers.

I thought it's like in modern era some people still didn't get this truth despite that much of histories you got in the fucking books

some nation hoping peace, or non-violence is just because they are incompetent to face the power of other superpowers

[untold mesa]

Yea, your point being that geographically they are different regions that played different roles globally. Like I said, she mentions different people and different phenotypes which "asians" to most eng speaking countries, translates to EA/SEA

[feral river]

and literally superpower doesn't give a shit

that's what they only do because if they don't do that they even not going to survive anymore

they don't have options

literally puppet, buffer states

[untold mesa]

What?

Your statement is very vague

@feral river can you elaborate?

[feral river]

well really ? I'm sorry I mean those peace-loving non-violence nations don't have another option to survive under this global order

[untold mesa]

And which option is it?

I don't think what you mention is an option. The only option they have against a super power is resist and kill them

If they don't, they lose

Which is why those "peace-loving" nations still exist as they killed their aggressors

But no nation is truly "peace-loving"

[feral river]

well the only option they have is keep loving peace and be non-violence

[untold mesa]

All nations are looking for expansion

[feral river]

otherwise they will get destroyed

[untold mesa]

Peace loving 😂😂😂😂

Bro, humans aint peace lovong

[feral river]

I know it's stupid but it's because someone mentioned it before

[untold mesa]

😂😂😂

[feral river]

and I can't find another word besides fucking peace yeah screw it

[untold mesa]

Okay... well no nations are peace loving. They all wait for each other to get weak and then expand

[feral river]

agreed 100%

can't agree more bro

you are my soulmate on this point

[untold mesa]

But it would be interesting to find a nation that is peace loving in history

Maybe it would mean that those people are built diff

[feral river]

I don't think that's a credit lol

[untold mesa]

That depends on your values, people who value strength and power ofc wont give credit

It depends how broad your perspective is

A person who don't value intelligence in a partner might go only for looks

Some people also think that money can get you any partner, therefore, other aspects of an individual such as beauty and intelligence don't matter when it comes to themselves

[untold mesa]

I met people who thinks like that

But most of the time, they think like that since it's the only thing they can aquire, is with money to compensate other aspects

[feral river]

well that was personal choice like if the guy value the money at most that happens

[untold mesa]

Kinda true with plastic surgery

[manic juniper]

There was indentured servitude in Tibet ad well, there is no way Nepal wasn't the same before

Slavery is always an option as long as there are enough people to enslave, the only ones that never practiced it were those tribes that didn't have any neighbours to enslave

[feral river]

based on the marketing rules, I do consider the demand by others for appear yourself overvalued by money rather than other stuff like intelligence or money

well just based on a pragmatic thought but that make sense

[manic juniper]

Nepal has a lot more people compared to Sentinel Island

[untold mesa]

Or appearance*, you repeated money

[untold mesa]

But could say or talent

[manic juniper]

Sentinelese people likely never enslaved anyone because they're few and don't even have neighbours

Or their neighbours are more powerful than them

Why is it regulated in the old testament?

[feral river]

I mean on the leverage that other people thinks 'overvalued' by the net worth which is the money so it's not repetition

[manic juniper]

It's not a good ticket for a timeless, objective morality

Yes that's what slavery means, you figured out

[dapper laurel]

Because it was a loving slavery

[manic juniper]

I'm not judging Christians

[feral river]

we can restore the confederate

[untold mesa]

I think it is repetition as you said "rather than other" which is something "other than money"

[manic juniper]

Not necessarily, slaves even got paid in ancient Rome and Greece

Yes I am

[feral river]

SLAVERY

[manic juniper]

Ultralatvia?

[dapper laurel]

I have a t-shirt with the Confederate flag on it

[feral river]

Confederacy State of America

[dapper laurel]

I inherited it from my father

[manic juniper]

If a job gives you something like 1€ a day and you have no other options then yes it's definitely slavery

[feral river]

oh freak did I ? my bad I mean the intelligence or beauty

[dapper laurel]

It's an opportunity 😌

[untold mesa]

Ye thats what I mean

Or could be talent instead of beauty

[manic juniper]

One Euro

[feral river]

you can have this one

would be impressive and very Japan 🇯🇵

[manic juniper]

It's low today

Because they're made by humans and they're not timeless objective morality

People don't understand that an omnipotent being could give them the technology to not need slavery at all

You give food to slaves because otherwise they die, even Nazis did that

Again, if he really was all loving and cared he wouldn't have allowed it

I already came up with a solution and I'm not an omnipotent being

[manic juniper]

.

Yes, he provided them with slaves so they could survive

I didn't say everything...? Just enough to avoid slavery lol

Besides do you have any proof that slavery was needed for ancient humans in order to survive?

That's your word, do you have proof?

Otherwise I could say that it wasn't needed since the population was small compared to our days and they didn't consume as many resources

They also had way less people than today

Yes that's how normalising a phenomenon and regulations work, if you go by that many things are right just because they're regulated by law

[untold mesa]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gXucqXzqkfs?si=9fBwNahY_wr8RHoM

[mortal sonnet]

Is this some kind of npc chat infinite messages?

[magic olive]

https://tenor.com/view/server-dead-discord-chat-public-gif-1953792179152839589

[thorny steeple]

hello everyone

[thorny steeple]

https://news.abplive.com/pincode/delhi/north-delhi/chandni-chowk-pincode-110006.html

[magic olive]

GTH

[thorny steeple]

I know they are liars. They exist on lies

They think they are the chosen people, better than everyone else. And their media works to promote it

"we know everything"

"we suffered no casualties. Only a few minor casualties"

Meanwhile blurs satellite photos

[brazen mirage]

Hi! Is anyone up for a chat?

Btw, I'm new here as you can see

[tame saffron]

What war is happening here?

[feral river]

@shy summit time for american politics, do you think deep state exists ?

[shy summit]

Not in the way conservatives think

[thorny steeple]

explain this

[shy summit]

They think the Jews or gays control everything from behind the scenes lmao

[feral river]

well what does that mean ? I know trump is using this concept as their slogan but there are few evidence that implys the existence of the deep state

like how a bunch of agencies especially CIA holding excessive power on american politics without regulation

[shy summit]

The evidence doesn't point at a secret cabal, in fact its obvious which groups are in control, they are pretending they are victims

[thorny steeple]

well, as an outsider and someone who knows about economics the USA did alot better with trump

the Biden administration has led to many wars like Israel Palestine and Ukraine

[shy summit]

As a POLS major the opposite is OBJECTIVELY TRUE

leadership doesn't generally change foreign policy

[feral river]

you are from the congress right ? who the hell you are to us you will packed up and gone in few years and we are still here

[thorny steeple]

but it obviously changed the world

the ukraine war wouldnt of happened

[feral river]

I think that was a good thing for americans

[shy summit]

It would have happened no matter who was in office

[thorny steeple]

if trump was in power and now the USA uses ukraine as a toy

[thorny steeple]

no it wouldnt of

[shy summit]

Trump has no policy to end the wars that aren't already being implemented

[thorny steeple]

trumps negotiating skills are proven to be extremely good in this context

[whole beacon]

[thorny steeple]

for example there were no major wars in europe or such

[whole beacon]

U hanging there nahle

[feral river]

they really generate immensive margin through war actually

even my stocks goes up

like 23%

[shy summit]

He increased the burden on taxpayers by raising tarrifs and had to subsidize losses to agriculture

[thorny steeple]

as an outsider I do not like Biden or his administration or Kamala as the american people are too dumb to see that they are literal oligarchs

[feral river]

yeah I'm a war profit taker lol

[thorny steeple]

i dont know enough about that as i dont live in america and have never been anywhere near it but i know the world and global economy was alot better

Kamala profits off of the military industrial complex and biden does too

They have made Ukranians lives terrible in the areas near the frontline terrible over money

And now the USA uses ukraine as a toy to continue to make money and fight a proxy war against russia

[feral river]

well at this point I wanted Kamala to win if she does what you have said

[thorny steeple]

well thats terrible because you prioritize money over millions of lives

[dense agate]

the world economy was a lot better at 2020 ?

[feral river]

actually trump is also doing good in global political games not through war but by protection or negotiation

[thorny steeple]

normal peoples lives in donbass, zaporozhye, etc

[thorny steeple]

there was a whole pandemic

[feral river]

and it also generates huge margin from it

[feral river]

normal people live in Ukraine dude, not in america

[thorny steeple]

exactly he generated a good income whilst not even causing direct harm to humans unlike biden has done

[feral river]

why the heck america would care about it

[dense agate]

can you show how Kamala is profiting from the arms industry ?

[dense agate]

so the world economy wasn't doing good at his term

[thorny steeple]

its pretty obvious that Kamala and her friends all have stocks in Northrup Gruman, Texas Instruments and other war companies that develop technology for war machines

[thorny steeple]

how is it supposed to do good during a pandemic

everything was shut down

[dense agate]

it's so obvious yet im still waiting for you to prove it

[thorny steeple]

look it up

i cant send things through chat

[dense agate]

then why would you say the world economy was better when he was in office

[thorny steeple]

because it was during the 2016-2020

its just 2020 that was bad

the other years the US economy was flourishing

[shy summit]

Our ecconomy crumbled under trump dude

The economy is better now than it was back then

[thorny steeple]

what when there was a pandemic?

[dense agate]

when you're able to send things, then share it

[thorny steeple]

did trump control the world during the pandemic because most of the worlds economys crashed during this time

[dense agate]

flourishing ?

[feral river]

DUDE trumpie was doing a good job under his administration 😭

one of his major credit is tax cut I guess

[thorny steeple]

gas prices and everything have gone up from statistics ive seen and the world was in a good state. now kamala fails to protect the border, biden struggles to maintain world stabilization and the economy is terrible

[shy summit]

Those tax cuts were only for rich people, normal people’s were temporary

[thorny steeple]

im not gonna say too much becuase ive neverbeen to america but as an outsider its not hard to see that Kamala and Biden are like the worst choices

[dense agate]

can you tell me what were the 2 main causes of the inflation and high energy prices ?

[thorny steeple]

maybe a war in ukraine that biden didnt negotiate

[dense agate]

negotiate how ? if Russia was determined and launched an aggressive war against Ukraine

i fail to see how Biden wanted a war to erupt

[thorny steeple]

it was very negotiable

the war couldve easily of been solved and everyone knows it its just biden failed to

[dense agate]

wasn't Russia the aggressor in this war ?

[thorny steeple]

may of been the 'aggressor' but the USA was the person who how do i say

[feral river]

I mean yeah tax cut on middle class people and rich people that's it that's how they contributed the american economy

[thorny steeple]

pushed them to do it

[feral river]

not to distribute the money from the riches to poor

[thorny steeple]

its obvious if your from eastern europe you know that the USA didnt act upon it and just started throwing sanctions

[feral river]

he's not a socialist or communist

what the heck the rich need to give money to poor for nothing ? that's not how capitalism works

isn't that obvious only class struggle theory would promote such thing that would happen in a marxist-socialist state which already done in the last century ?

[dense agate]

i'm afraid i don't have that divine Eastern European knowledge.
i only see an aggressor attacking another state and this being used against Biden by conservatives

it's only natural that the US would follow its self interests and support an ally

[thorny steeple]

its a complete different story as when trump was in power Trump intimidated the russian government into taking direct action into ukraine but after 2 years of preparation since 2020 october they invaded ukraine

Also ukraine has committed autrocities in the Donetsk-lugansk regions in the past

[dense agate]

and if Trump could've downplayed the war it would be by compromising American political interests

[shy summit]

You realize Trump is literally in the pocket of the Russian gov right?

Exactly

[thorny steeple]

no he isnt its just the world maintained good stabilization

[thorny steeple]

the only american political interests in ukraine are to steal its resources

[dense agate]

if you would rationally think about it from an interests perspective, who would be better for Russia, Trump or Biden ?

[feral river]

well there's no direct evidence shows he's in pocket of Russian government

even Russian government wanted him to stay in power

[dense agate]

What resources ?

[shy summit]

There's an entire FBI investigation saying otherwise

[feral river]

case dismissed if I didn't forgot that

[thorny steeple]

biden would be alot better if i was looking from an aggressive side but if i was looking at it from an economic, world peace idea i would say trump

[thorny steeple]

the coal, wheat and mining industry in ukraine which russia is taking

[dense agate]

you believe Biden is good from a Russian perspective ?

[shy summit]

It wasn't

[thorny steeple]

obviously he is

[feral river]

really ? how he have settled the case ?

[thorny steeple]

also joe biden has donated billions to ukraine so i dont know why you would want that

[dense agate]

even though he delivered and vouched to continue delivering arms and weapons to Ukraine, while Trump would halt this.
yet Biden is a lot better for Russian interests

[thorny steeple]

You do realise ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in europe, if he did halt these weapon and arms being sent it would push ukraine to negotiate

Sending arms to ukraine is just gonna make ukraine bleed slower not stop bleeding

Russia will eventually take it back over

Ukraines Pokrovsk, Kupyansk, Selydove, Kurakhove, Velikya Novosilivka and Ugledar fronts are literally collapsing as we speak

as ukraine has no men left to fight pretty much

[shy summit]

It wasn't a case it was an investigation that found he was a Russian asset that they are trying to install for their own bennefit

He's a useful idiot

[feral river]

well surrender would be another choice

[dense agate]

the US doesn't want coal, nor wheat since it's self sufficient in food production.

[feral river]

nah he's just got a normal relationship with Putin and Kim he's a chill guy knows what he is doing

[thorny steeple]

you do realise that it still makes money???

[feral river]

you are just jealous about how he becoming friends with those guys

[dense agate]

how can you say this and at the same time claim Biden serves Russian interests more than Trump, you seem a little bit dishonest here

[thorny steeple]

So Bidens government is technically been sending billions to Ukraien just for russia to probably take the equipment

[shy summit]

You should read the Muller Report

[thorny steeple]

Russia wants all of ukraine you realise

Not just Zaporozhye, kherson, donetsk and lugansk

[dense agate]

both sides are bleeding, Russia more than Ukraine according to US intelligence

[dense agate]

a total annexation of Ukraine looks very unlikely even in the worst outcome scenarios of this war, for the time being at least

but US pushing Ukraine to sue for any peace deal they can with Russia, clearly helps the latter

[thorny steeple]

its actually pretty likely that Ukraine will have most of their country annexed

All of the fronts including Kursk have thousands of troops encircled

And russia has just mobilized a few hundred thousand more troops which are fully trained

Not conscripts

[dense agate]

Russia gaining more territories is possible , but for the time being things are in a stalemate

[thorny steeple]

its far from a stalemate

ill even send you frontline proof

[dense agate]

i'm aware both sides are in need of soldiers, Russia is avoiding a new conscription wave by getting convicts into the army

[thorny steeple]

Russia isnt really in need of soldiers as there is a net positive of 300,000 per year for russia where ukraines is in the negative

[dense agate]

both sides are in need soldiers

[thorny steeple]

theyre not

Russia has around 500,000 reservists

[thorny steeple]

Im actually wrong about that russia has as of may 2 million reservists

[feral river]

this is what the report looks like bro

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl

seems like justice is on the Trump's side

[dense agate]

the numbers i've seen are around 1.15m, but these remain just reservist, they'd lack training , equipment and even the will to answer the call, and other reasons that could render them unfit for military service.
that goes without saying, the Russia side though might have superior numbers to it's counterpart, they have suffered high casualties, and are in need for more soldiers in the frontline, especially specialized ones.

[thorny steeple]

they dont lack training at all

also its known even to western nations Ukraine and russia both inflate casualties heavily

my friend from kirvohrad in ukraine said he knows of people who have died in ukraine they just list it as "missing in action" so they dont have to do payouts and so the casualties look lower

[dense agate]

they are reservists

[thorny steeple]

Russian military ettiquite is extremely high and they now have a stable flow of RATNIK 3 gear

[thorny steeple]

Reservists literally have undergone military training

[dense agate]

when i'm talking about casualties i refer to the estimates provided by US intelligence, Russia doesn't provide any data

[thorny steeple]

Russia does

the MoD provides annually

Russia only has 500k troops in ukraine as we speak, and they have around 1.5 million active personnel. that means 1 million are not apart of the SMO

[dense agate]

being a reservist means you've undergone military training at some point in your life, could be years or even decades.
and they're generally called upon with a mobilization order, a lot of them may need to go through military training again or just a refresher

[thorny steeple]

That dosent mean that you are an undertrained soldier. These mobilization orders usually only take a month

WHen ive referred to reservists today ive referred to the other 1 million active troops

Who are mostly in mainland russia completing orders and not involved in the SMO

Ukrainian conscripts get 2 weeks and theyre in Lychchansk

Or Sudzha

Additionally russian troops have i think 1:10 firepower over ukranian troops meaning it literally raining drones and missiles

[dense agate]

only means they can't be instantly mobilized, at least not all of them.
and them having many reserve soldiers doesn't mean they're willing to burn through them, they'd want to maintain their troop level that's why they still used conscriptions (and likely to do it another time).
and again, that goes without saying reservist cannot fill all the needed roles, particularly specialized ones, since unlike conscripts, they don't undergo intensive training to fill a certain specialty

[thorny steeple]

they arent even using reservists though

who i was referring to was soldiers not in combat and these can vary from basic infantry to elite naval infantry divisions who are sat at ports chilling

[dense agate]

point is they still need more recruits, and that's what they're already doing

it's going to be a long war

[thorny steeple]

They dont need more troops hence why there is no military drafts happening or anywhere near the future. they have 1 million soldiers ready if needs be and they are already dominating in the eastern front. Ukraine is running out of soldiers and having huge protests in Kyiv over missing relatives.

This indicates that this war is probably going to conclude in the next year

[digital finch]

Nice English

[thorny steeple]

?

[feral river]

I don’t see there’s a chance to end the war within a year or 2 years since we all benefiting from this war except Ukrainians

[thorny steeple]

where do u think im from

[feral river]

Russia ?

[prisma cipher]

[thorny steeple]

both

[feral river]

Cool I’m from China

[thorny steeple]

nice

how are you on the internet

[feral river]

I’m always on the internet wym by that

[thorny steeple]

isnt it blocked in china

[prisma cipher]

How are you on internet since discord blocked

[feral river]

It was and we use vpn to legally bypass it

[prisma cipher]

[thorny steeple]

Which city

[feral river]

Capital of the Shandong province. Jinan city

[thorny steeple]

Tianamen Square 1989 The Chinese leadership imposed martial law in Beijing on May 20. The protests continued. On the night of June 3 and 4, the People's Liberation Army stormed the Square with tanks, crushing the protests with terrible human costs. Estimates of the numbers killed vary.

[feral river]

It’s in the mainland under censorship

[feral river]

I know that lol

[thorny steeple]

Lol

Do you want to leave china

[feral river]

Nah

[prisma cipher]

Tell him about Uyghur

[thorny steeple]

nah nothing happened to uyghurs

[prisma cipher]

Damn

[feral river]

Yeah sure nothing happened to Uyghurs

[thorny steeple]

Nothing did trust me bro

[feral river]

But sometimes happened among the terrorists

Between some Uyghurs

[thorny steeple]

Whats chinese tv like

[feral river]

Just like a normal you got in other places

[thorny steeple]

Do you know alot of english then

[feral river]

Well yes ?

[thorny steeple]

It says ur beginner

[feral river]

Ah yeah probably I’m a beginner

[thorny steeple]

Was you a beginner when you first joined

[feral river]

Well I guess that is I don’t remember anymore

Come on I just missed by home I wanna back to China fuck this place

Now I’m in South Korea

Damn boring place with expensive stuff everywhere

[dense agate]

130k are already going to be drafted this fall and winter.

[thorny steeple]

Source because there’s been no drafts here

[dense agate]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-orders-conscription-133000-servicemen-russias-autumn-draft-2024-09-30/
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/09/30/russian-military-to-draft-133k-conscripts-in-fall-call-up-a86517

[thorny steeple]

check dms

[manic juniper]

The 133k draft thing has been around for a while already

[dapper laurel]

However, according to new estimates from Kiev, there are around 600 thousand dead/wounde soldiers

But the war can't last much longer, a year at most

[prisma cipher]

Kyiv's calculations mean nothing. I don't understand why they are mentioned.

both Russia and Kyiv will show and talk about the numbers of losses that are beneficial to them, you can't be so naive. I need to explain something. Kyiv is fighting, all information from Kyiv is aimed at showing how effective they are, this solves several problems at once, getting more the human reserve, and sponsorship by Western countries. This is basic logic.

this is the only correct strategy, the truth can be told when the conflict is over.

But not during fight

[dense agate]

Kyiv's estimates seem to be very high compared to ones made by the US and UK

[prisma cipher]

Almost the same about us.

[dense agate]

US estimates are more conservative compared to Ukraine's

[prisma cipher]

they have a different scale where you can play with numbers

[dense agate]

"play"

[dapper laurel]

The Pentagon agrees with these statistics

Even if they cannot be entirely true, they are an indicative data and certainly the Russian victims in the war are not few, as well as the Ukrainian ones

Certainly both countries are trying to manipulate Western opinion to suit their needs, especially Russia

They are literally manipulating our public opinion with a media war

[shy summit]

Russia has been caught in the past 3 US election cycles trying to get Trump elected

[prisma cipher]

Are you for real

[magic olive]

https://tenor.com/view/server-dead-discord-chat-public-gif-1953792179152839589

[feral solstice]

Heyy who have information about gradle on android svpp!!

[thorny steeple]

then why did Kamala win

[shy summit]

Because Russia’s really bad at their job

[shy summit]

Random much.

[feral river]

I even wonder why they still didn’t got fully mobilized

They need to be full mobilized and destroy Ukraine

[shy summit]

Reuters isn’t exactly the beacon of reliable information

[feral river]

They gonna need around millions of soldiers covering up by tanks and fighters, missiles to breakthrough the Ukrainian’s defense

And annex Ukraine effectively

[shy summit]

But it’s probably fair to say that their actions have cut them off from suppliers or other external resources that have slowed their ability to function

[thorny steeple]

Then Groundnews?

[shy summit]

I’d have to check up on them

[feral river]

well you mean Russians ? I guess but they are getting supplies from China and getting more combatants from North Korea

I don’t think Trump will let this happen if he’s American president

[shy summit]

But it just goes to show, don’t piss off the world by looking like the asshole aggressor

[feral river]

Well they just don’t care I believe

As long as Putin/putin’s faction is in power, I don’t think the current situation will be favorable for westerners

[shy summit]

And it bit them in the ass

[feral river]

It’s not like us are sitting on the fence with you guys and axis of evil but they just stand on them

[thorny steeple]

Okey

[thorny steeple]

China and it's Axis of Evil 2025

[shy summit]

Still never a good idea to piss off the world especially when you rely on any imports

[thorny steeple]

Indeed remember a factory needs resources

[shy summit]

Exactly

[feral river]

But don’t you guys relying on our cheap stuff produced in prison ???!

[thorny steeple]

@river condor hello 👋, how's it going

[feral river]

Hey hey hey

0 cost stuff is produced in China

[shy summit]

Lmao not as much as you think.

[feral river]

Remember trump’s tariffs

[thorny steeple]

Doubtful 🧐

[feral river]

And some taxes that just rise up the American food prices

[shy summit]

Prisons don’t produce major economic exports in the US.

[feral river]

Nothing else worked that much

[thorny steeple]

Do they produce imports?

[shy summit]

When you raise taxes on wealthy assholes with no checks on their power, they just pass profit losses off onto consumers

So the tariffs only raised the prices of goods for Americans

[shy summit]

They mostly make school supplies like pencils

Prisons in America changed drastically in the 70s

[thorny steeple]

How come?

[shy summit]

After the civil rights act passed there was a decade of transformation. Mobilization of the police against minorities. It came to a head after the 1986 Anti Drug Abuse Act was signed into law by Reagan

[dusty kite]

why not u dont like ?

[shy summit]

It increased the prison population to such a degree that most states now sit over capacity when it comes to prison population vs how many they can house