🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

So, they are planning to re-occupy it. What am I supposed to say? They've always been brutal thieves.

The Gaza strip has been under an Israeli illegal blockade for a very long time, perhaps that would also be considered an occupation.

[dense agate]

idk if you misread what i wrote, but Gaza has been considered occupied since 1967

[manic juniper]

Lol

[thorny steeple]

Yes. Israel occupied it from 1967 until 2005.

[dense agate]

they're not going for settlements, just corridors to better counter Hamas rockets fired towards them.

[dense agate]

my honest reaction

[manic juniper]

I've never heard him speak until yesterday

[dense agate]

congrats, he unironically always talks like that

a classic "the west has fallen" enjoyer

[glossy sky]

hey

[feral river]

I don't see the point you consider the people who kicked your ass as a coward

[slate spade]

qq. I from Ukraine and i need practice before my Java interview with hr in english. Reply if you want make something like mock interview with me/

[unique light]

is that even possible

[unique light]

why qq?

[feral river]

I would say you should have retreated for incorrect informations after you send that bullshit in here and don't judge me for questioning the correctness of your information which you should have NOT send incorrect information in here.

for your bravery, cowardice narrative or something LMAO

you being ass kicked not me

we are the global power in charge

that is the real power, wanna try to challenge ? see you on the ground

[thorny steeple]

Ever heard of the march of return? from 2018 to 2019, Palestinians in the Gaza strip used to hold peaceful protests each Friday demanding the return of Palestinians who have been displaced from the occupied Palestine territory, obviously the Israeli response was killing a total of 223 Palestinians. Israeli snipers used to kill medics during these protests.
So, who to blame for Hamas and other groups that are specifically held under the name of resistance?

[feral river]

let me fix this, Israeli illegal immigrants in Gaza Strip used to hold protest against Israeli state and they were being cracked down very fast, ofc if they don't fight against the state power they won't have any causalties so good job Israel Defense Forces.

[manic juniper]

I know right, that was interesting

[thorny steeple]

The definition of terrorism is: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
If you're justifying Israel's actions, you're objectively siding with terrorism, which you usually demand not to.

And it's definitely cowardice, the IDF have bombed almost every single hospital, school, and other civilian facilities within the Gaza strip. Hurting the weak does not demonstrate any kind of bravery or power.

[manic juniper]

Free Western Sahara 🇪🇭

[feral river]

that's how you are using terrorism to defend your terrorist state who initiated the war against a regional power which being ass kicked even as considered and recognized the de facto terrorist regime under hamas that's how you are being a terrorist sympathizer and talking back to me

while you guys being ass kicked no matter it's hamas or hezbollah, they are heading to hell as what it should be

blame on Israel ? blame on anyone ? idc you can blame at least if you are alive but they will recklessly crack down on terrorism with us and the US

🇺🇸 long live the war on terror 🇨🇳

[thorny steeple]

Why did Hamas and other labelled terror groups begin to attack Israel?

[feral river]

that's why Israel begin to crack down on terrorists as always side by side with the US

[thorny steeple]

You didn't answer my question.

[feral river]

that's what I wanted to see and donate some money through investment ? I'm down

buy some guns and kill terrorists

the only solution to deal with terrorism is send them all towards hell

[thorny steeple]

You still didn't answer my question. Are you deflecting?

[dense agate]

yea i know of that event, IDF fired live ammunition on the premise that Hamas was involved and that some of them were armed, but it was still too excessive and unnecessary lose of life, big L for israel here for sure.
but this doesn't render Hamas innocent of the terrible things they've done towards israel and their own people

[dense agate]

free Eastern Western Sahara

[dense agate]

just because we're fighting terrorism doesn't mean no cost is too great

[thorny steeple]

If Israel did claim Hamas was involved, and then proceeded to murder children according to Amnesty International:

According to local Palestinian human rights organizations in Gaza, at least 31 children have been killed while protesting during the six months of demonstrations.

Several videos posted on social media have shown unarmed protesters – men, women and children – being shot by the Israeli army.
[source]

Then there is a strong reason to believe Israel is making false claims to justify their actions.

David Cameron, a former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, labelled the Gaza strip an open air prison over 14 years ago. [source]

Israel every few years bombs Gaza as a part of a strategy it calls "Mow the Lawn", referring to Palestinians, not as human beings, but as "Lawn". [source]

This puts Israel in the aggressor picture.

[dense agate]

well for Hamas we do know they supported the protests but to what extent they were present isn't clear. When it comes to violence though, some of them were throwing moltov cocktail and attempting to breach the border and even used incendiary kite, which caused damaged in israeli farms.

[thorny steeple]

Children did that? I doubt it. If that's true though, why did snipers kill medics?

I can't find a justification for killing medics, even if we assume they killed children throwing molotovs.

[dense agate]

i couldn't care less what the UK's prime minister has to say about this.

[dense agate]

Israel's firing was indiscriminate and when you have a large protests made of both young and old it becomes harder to avoid such consequences.
an unnecessary and unfortunate outcome.

[thorny steeple]

Except that you should. The UK has always been a close allay and supporter for Israel. His view about Gaza gives a lot of input about how the situation is going after Israel's illegal blockade.

[dense agate]

i don't care as in the sense the opinion of a prime minister doesn't change facts or realities, it's not like Gaza wasn't considered under blockade until he acknowledged it. appealing to authority is a fallacy

[thorny steeple]

Snipers are known for their precise targeting, saying that they were indiscriminate in their shot further strengthen the thought that they intentionally killed the medics and other unarmed Palestinians.

[thorny steeple]

Then you chose anarchism?

[dense agate]

snipers were not the only active shooters in that protest.

[dense agate]

lel how did you deduct that from what i've said ??

[thorny steeple]

Well no government = no law it goes to hell

[dense agate]

no, that's not what appealing to authority means.

[thorny steeple]

It's a Fallacy, when providing other evidence or justification, uses an authority figure's opinion to support their argument without their support of the figure's opinion

[thorny steeple]

Avid reader of politics ig

[dense agate]

yes, it's like saying Haitian migrants are eating dogs and pets because Trump said so

[thorny steeple]

Wasn't that debunk

[dense agate]

haha it was, but that didn't stop many and even trump himself from repeating it again and again

the MAGA experience at it's peak

[thorny steeple]

True what a headache he is in this country

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/0sdTt0IA4u0?si=eKulQOqEeM6CWGwf

[thorny steeple]

The fallacy of appealing to authority is committed when one cites a popular figure that agrees with them without a justification. I've cited a former British prime minister, this is a proper justification given that the UK is a close allay to Israel.

it's not like Gaza wasn't considered under blockade until he acknowledged it
That would be an irrelevant statement.

However, given his remark, it's nothing new. Israel's blockade of the Gaza strip has always been deemed illegal and a form of collective punishment, as it restricted the flow of essential goods, contributed to economic hardship, and limited Gazans' freedom of movement. This has actually led to not only the UK former prime minister to call it an open-air prison, but also several human rights organizations such as Human Rights Watch and Norwegian Refugee Council.

[dense agate]

lel not asmongold kek

[thorny steeple]

Yet they were spotted killing medics according to Amnesty International.

[thorny steeple]

Well it never is unbiased

[thorny steeple]

Kekw

[thorny steeple]

@dense agate
Why didn't Israel simply allow the Palestinian refugees in Gaza to return to their homes where they were displaced? Using violence to block them from their rights makes Israel's position 10 times worse.

[dense agate]

i know you weren't using the fallacy, but the PM's opinion is not needed nor worth mentioning.
and for the blockade, yea we know it's there and it's bad, nothing that i disagree when it comes to this.

[thorny steeple]

Nice, then we've reached a mutual agreement.

[dense agate]

the firing by itself was a poor choice, whether snipers were used or not, doesn't change much.

[dense agate]

are you sure a bout that

[thorny steeple]

Well life is can be in between

[thorny steeple]

Well it was them who caused all the middle east problems after WW1

[thorny steeple]

As I've previously mentioned, snipers rifle personnel are primarily used for precise targeting, so assuming they were blindly firing, although would be unfounded, is also a proof that they didn't care to who's being killed.

[dense agate]

on some few fundamental things i guess, this conflict is not as simple as many perceive it

[thorny steeple]

It never is simple

[dense agate]

well the poor UK lost most of it's relevancy since then, so...

[dense agate]

he's a MAGA farmer

[thorny steeple]

True but it was their division of the middle east that we see how's it nowadays

[thorny steeple]

Who?

[dense agate]

yes, them and france, which is the cause of many tensions in both Middle East and Africa to this day

[dense agate]

Asmonbald

[thorny steeple]

Didn't notice it before

[thorny steeple]

True

[thorny steeple]

I disagree. It is simple if one looks into historical events.
A Palestinian territory has been occupied by illegal settlements and groups of Jewish extremists who have committed massacres against Palestinians, this occupation has been supported by the UK initially before it hands over the case to the UN.
For further information, have a look at this video:
https://youtu.be/zE8GCX1w3ys?si=GgdvTiw8qnNRsW0Q

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU

0-4

[dense agate]

respectfully i don't watch vids to learn about these kind of things, but i can already sense and guess the rhetoric he'd be using

there was never a Palestine before 1948

nor Palestinians

[feral river]

I don't see there's a Palestine for all the time

they were never a sovereignty state but remained as a organization-party based separatists government

[thorny steeple]

Since the creation of Zionism

[feral river]

yeah we cost we spend we drop bombs on them and if we don't drop now we will pay more

the best solution is drop enough bombs on terrorists and kill them all to end terrorism crisis

[dense agate]

there wasn't a Palestinian national identity prior to Israel, Israel was built on the Mandatory Palestine ruled by the British back then.

[dense agate]

they never became a state because they didn't get enough recognition from the west.

[feral river]

1st they didn't got recognization or even established some economic and international ties with global powers

[thorny steeple]

True there was only transjordan

[feral river]

2nd they control some territory which is under Israeli sovereignty

[dense agate]

yea but who is a terrorist ? are we considering civilians as potential recruits as well ??

[feral river]

civilians are not terrorists, I didn't justify any actions against innocent civilians

but some people violated the law or the rule under their local government so they will be punished

[dense agate]

but dropping bombs in a highly urbanized area can be very disproportionate, ending up killing many civilians

[feral river]

like separatism in Israel and other anti-government forces initiated and led by terrorists

[dense agate]

huh what ? what local government

[feral river]

State of Israel

[thorny steeple]

Should Israel exists people

[feral river]

depends what you gonna do if terrorists hiding in buildings ? are you going to let your soldier to send their life to heaven for clearing them ?

no, we will just detonate the building

this is how war works not anything this is a war

[dense agate]

you're aware Gaza and the West Bank aren't considered part of Israel, even to the state of israel, both territories are considered occupied

[dense agate]

yes duh

[feral river]

there's only one sovereignty state in this region which is State of Israel.

there's no other one no doubt

that's their Israeli muslim/arab territory

[dense agate]

well that can be interpreted differently, israel has influence in both, but they also have their own governments that do also have a say on some of the internal matters

[feral river]

or autonomous provisional government under Israeli sovereignty by State of Israel

[thorny steeple]

We need a state that doesn't bring division between the people there

[feral river]

no they will just recklessly enforce on them

because that's under their territory

[craggy sphinx]

i have a question for you guys

[feral river]

and they have their forces, they have their justice system and other state departments active in this area

[craggy sphinx]

do you all want to be happy?

[dense agate]

idk if you know but even Israel is in the motion of creating a Palestinian state, it's not like they completely oppose it, this is not a case of secession, dont confuse it with other cases of separatism

[craggy sphinx]

if yes , then WHY?

[feral river]

there's zero tolerance in Israel, that's how they gonna recklessly enforce anti-terrorism operations internally and externally.

[thorny steeple]

Those type of videos can facilitate conveying information that otherwise would take walls of text in the chat. However, calling it a rhetoric would be argumentum ad hominem, since the statement attacks the person rather than his statements or arguments.
However, no worries. You don't have to watch it.

[thorny steeple]

Are you happy

[feral river]

that's what they do not just what I say lol

[feral river]

well at least they didn't do it now

they are creating zones in those region, and they are fighting terrorists and separation forces

they even fought them abroad in Lebanon which is under their influence

[dense agate]

hence why i said fighting terrorism doesn't mean no cost is too great

[feral river]

I should give them more when they started to fight against Hezbollah

but they don't really have a good performance lol (profits)

[feral river]

cost to what ? is that damaging your interest ?

I don't think so

there's a clear number of how much money they gonna spend on military

[rose eagle]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/asia/vietnam-protest-china-attack-fishermen-intl-hnk/index.html

Địt mẹ trung quốc

[feral river]

don't do that in our territory

all of waters in this region belongs to PRC

[rose eagle]

Fuck u don't make excuses

[feral river]

and we will enforce it by force

[dense agate]

the lives of civilians, it's really fascinating how easily we can dehumanize people by reducing them to mere casualties, it's analogous to how the chinese casulties were seen back in ww2

[feral river]

yeah we died a lot of ppl ur right but that's not your business and it's truth

isn't it ?

[thorny steeple]

However, about this statement. Let me show you two pieces of evidence that prove you wrong.
First is the old Drain covers that had the name Palestine on them. Ironically, some of them still exist in the occupied territory.
Second one being an ancient Palestinian passport dating back to 1933.

[dense agate]

Japanese killed them in the masses but they high numbers didn't strike much since it's only the Chinaman who's dying

[feral river]

yeah that's right but is that your business ?

[dense agate]

how is it being my business or not relevant to this ??

[feral river]

it's not your business

bro

you won't lose 1 USD from this

[dense agate]

it's not my business that millions died by the japanese ?

[feral river]

do you lose 1 USD from it ?

[dense agate]

it's not about money you regarded

it's about the loss of huamn lives

[feral river]

so what you have lost ?

that's your citizen ? they are paying taxes to you ?

[prisma cipher]

[feral river]

no they are paying taxes to Chinese government

not you bro

[thorny steeple]

Ancient stuff

[manic juniper]

It doesn't mention the Palestine war in 1948, only the naqba

[thorny steeple]

True

[feral river]

why you think it's your business, it's not your business

[dense agate]

bUt Is iT yOuR BuSiNeSs is the most retarded way to reply back to such catastrophes

[feral river]

I can't understand why you think you lost something from it

I don't see it

[dense agate]

why do you think i have to lose or gain something from me to know about it ?

or for it to effect me ?

[feral river]

the truth is you didn't lose anything from it

it didn't affect you

[dense agate]

i couldn't care less about what happens in any conflict since it doesn't effect one bit

[feral river]

yeah that's it

that's it bro

[dense agate]

but i speak from a moral stand point

you're talking like if you hit the jackpot

[feral river]

moral > profit ?

no what the heck is moral

[dense agate]

that's what ? wow thanks captain obvious that the bomb falling in muslimistan didn't affect me

[feral river]

I can use profit to buy guns, can you use moral to buy guns ?

no you can't

easy logic

[dense agate]

bruh buy guns or whatever you want, irrelevant

[feral river]

I can use profit to buy house buy anything that possibly to buy by purchasing powers or money

but what the heck you can get from moral ?

I don't see a point because I'm a sponsor of Israel for sure

I take profit, and I don't see a point you judge me for that you are not muslim or you aren't from a muslim state

that's literally none of your business

[prisma cipher]

a moral tuning fork, can give you the right to attack another country

[rose eagle]

Địt mẹ thằng lồn Đông á bệnh phu sủa ít thôi

[dense agate]

it's not my business to say casualties are bad lel

this is a failed attempt on being edgy

[feral river]

you can say that lol I do think casualties are bad

I'm agreed with you

but some casualties are not inevitable

for example while fighting against terrorists

there's no solution to kill all the terrorist without casualties

at least for now

[dense agate]

my dumbtard i was saying casualties are bad the whole time, that was my point, necessary or not, that doesn't change their nature

[feral river]

well yeah I agree with that statement but some casualties are inevitable

[dense agate]

that's why i said just like the casulties China experienced by japan in ww2 are bad, these ones are also bad

[feral river]

anti-terrorism need to be enforced everywhere

[feral river]

that's true, ngl

[shy summit]

True, its a sign you failed if you end up killing more than needed.

[rose eagle]

And anti pirates?

[feral river]

well yeah literally screwed up if you killed more people that you should not kill.

[dense agate]

but you had to go on a ramp about "not your business " for some reason

[feral river]

because I don't see a point you started to mention some old history about us and how Japanese killed many people

and before that, I was just asking is that damaging your interest ?

[dense agate]

put it in context next time

[feral river]

that's why I said it's none of your business

[ashen mortar]

REAL

[feral river]

ok

[manic juniper]

The ship above was the 1% of pirates

[rose eagle]

But the actions of those ships are 99% same as pirates.

[manic juniper]

That's difficult to estimate after so many centuries

[thorny steeple]

@dense agate
Have you heard about the "Map of Palestine" created by French cartographer Pierre Jacotin? He made it in 1799, that's way before 1948.

[dense agate]

you've understood me wrong, the mandatory of palestine existed, the region called palestine did too, but the nationalistic identity of Palestine never did, there was no such thing as plaestinian people or aims of creating a palestinian state like we have today.
there was even a British census on the region about what kind of state they desired to see, it was greater Syria

[dense agate]

if you're going to track the name "palestine", it goes even prior to that

[dense agate]

facts don't lie, we need more pirates

[thorny steeple]

and what was the result of the kind of state that they want , what ppl choose

[thorny steeple]

It mentions the occupation, Balfour Declaration, and the UK and UN support for the Israeli occupation.
Later, Israel actually have established a law called the law of return, which gives only Jews with one or more Jewish grandparents the right to relocate in the occupied territory, opening the doors for illegal settlements that are usually under the sponsor of the Israeli government, and the displacement of Palestinians who used to inhabit these places.

[dense agate]

is this a rhetorical question ?

[manic juniper]

I know. But it leaves out a minor detail: six countries got involved

[thorny steeple]

Palestinians is a word that refers to Arabs ethnonational groups who've inhabited the land of Palestine. Just like Egyptians refers to people from Egypt, Syrians refers to people from Syria, Germans refers to people from Germany etc...

I'm just asking about the results of the survey and the number of votes

[thorny steeple]

@dense agate

[thorny steeple]

What do you mean?

[thorny steeple]

Nice. Then we've reached a mutual agreement. 🤝

[manic juniper]

That's a pretty big event and he didn't mention it

Going by names is a weird thing, isn't that the entire reason why Israel exists? Because there used to be Israel and Judaea

"This place had my name on it so I'm supposed to live there"

[shy summit]

Palestine isn’t a state, sadly. Its not a nation recognized by the international community

[thorny steeple]

This video seems to completely neglect the Balfour Declaration, a declaration by someone who is not an owner to whom something did not deserve. It dates even before the UK's attack on the Ottaman Empire, which further demonstrates the intention to occupy this land.

[dense agate]

referring to the region doesn't mean you're referring to a nationality, and this referring to Palestinians as in the people who reside in that region includes all the groups who reside there, that goes without saying again there was no national identity for Palestine, the arabs that existed there shared a stronger identity with their Arabic ethnicity.
and the term evolved later to be associated with arabs living there rather than all the cultural groups

[thorny steeple]

Good. So, you agree Israel is in an offensive posture, since it occupied a land, displaced its people, and imposed a system of apartheid against them. Not to mention a long history of massacres against and imprisonment of Palestinians without a trial, even children.

[dense agate]

it was greater Syria, a large states that unites all of that region

[manic juniper]

Yes

[feral river]

there's no Palestine but a terrorist government supported by terrorist sympathizer call themselves Palestinian

they are not Palestinian

[dense agate]

it's getting hard to get the motion back on talks about establishing the Palestinian state when this current war keeps on worsening

[feral river]

they are either the separatists of the State of Israel, or the terrorists

[dense agate]

since when Fatah is terrorist ?

[feral river]

I don't see there's still an idea that justfying themselves pretend they are a citizen of a non-existing state

actually they are not, some of them are terrorists

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah

it's been clear of what fatah is doing

[dense agate]

Fatah isn't considered terrosit since 1988, so what are you saying ?

[feral river]

separatism, violated the law of State of Israel

[feral river]

wym ? that's what you considering it ?

Israel is in charge of these regions not anyone

it's not the US or China or Russia it's Israel

what they say is terrorists which it is.

[prisma cipher]

I hope Iran punch Israel hard, those dude annoy me as f.

[thorny steeple]

I'm not agreeing, but assuming it's true. The people we refer to as Palestinians would still be considered the indigenous people of that land, even if it was not considered an official nationality in the modern sense.
It's worth mentioning that this land was under the Ottaman Empire, they also used to refer to people from there as Palestinians.

All in all, this leaves an inevitable conclusion that the present-day Israel is indeed an offensive occupation.

[feral river]

Ottomans, British, are not Palestinian

there's no Palestinian

[dense agate]

minecraft, you're looking at this from the wrong perspective, this is not about separatism, or secession, both sides acknowledge each other, the lands on which Palestine would exist when it happens are there, the West Bank and Gaza, the talks were about what kind of state it would be.
To israel, the west bank and Gaza are occupied state that are not part of it, they are not separating from them, it s about ending the Israeli military rule, West Bank for example is subject to the military court of israel, it's similar to how Japan or Germany were under military rule by the US.
although many in West Bank have permanent residency, Gazans don't have any documentation in Israel, these are not Israelis

[dense agate]

i don't know how you would make that conclusion from what i've said, when i made my point on why palestine didn't exist prior to 1948 so there was no occupation, but okay

[feral river]

that's what their terrorism rhetoric says about how we gonna separate west bank and gaza from Israeli administration then the destroy the entire Israeli state, my point is clear, there's no Palestine all the time it shouldn't be have one for multiple reasons

[thorny steeple]

My question still awaits an answer from you:

Why did Hamas and other labelled terror groups begin to attack Israel?
[#🧠｜serious-chat message]

[feral river]

there's only one sovereignty state in this region

which is State of Israel

their land, their rules, quite simple

[noble niche]

Isreal is collapsing.

[noble niche]

Edit; has been collapsing.

Grammer. Always a point of weakness.

[dense agate]

Israel by itself was in talks on "separating" West bank from it (not gaza since it's not in it's administrative rule), so what now are Israelis pro terrorists to you ?

[feral river]

if you gonna say there's a lot of Israeli arabs who currently under terrorists rule I would say yes and Israel is helping them out.

[feral river]

there's no another sovereignty state besides Israel in the region

can you find another one ?

[real monolith]

@manic juniper What do you think?

[dense agate]

are you intentionally misreading what im writing or you're just ranting again ?

[unique agate]

how serious is it

[feral river]

I don't care what their rhetoric is I focus on truth, truth is Israel in charge of all of those region

[thorny steeple]

You agreed that this land was indeed known as Palestine, and agreed that certain groups of people were indigenous and inhabitants of that land.
The definition of occupation is the state of taking control of (a place, especially a country) by military conquest or settlement. This means the issue is actually simple, the land is indeed occupied.

[feral river]

no I understand what you are saying about how this part of Israel is not Israel

[dense agate]

where did i say otherwise, you're talking to yourself, read > comprehend > reply

[feral river]

I totally understand what you are saying

and I'm saying that's your narrative of saying how is these region is not Israel

[dense agate]

it's not part of israel according to israel itself, there is no palestine yes, but there were talks prior to this latest conflict and for a while.

[feral river]

it's separatism obviously

[manic juniper]

It's stupid to have a West Bank and a Gaza strip but no East Bank or Gaza towel

[feral river]

they are the de facto ruler of these region they are in charge

isn't it ?

the truth is they are in charge

[thorny steeple]

Do you support Israel though?

[dense agate]

what's israel and what's not isn't clear and no one can claim it is, even according to the Israeli law, they don't formally define the country's border

[dense agate]

yes they are the hegemon of the region

[manic juniper]

Not the current Israel

[feral river]

what no they are in charge of these region

why you are looking at papers

[manic juniper]

Or an Israel per se, I support two states that would turn into one over time

[prisma cipher]

Not when Iran in the game.

[feral river]

you can change papers anytime but forces won't lie

law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper

[manic juniper]

So no I don't support Israel or Palestine, or maybe I support both, doesn't really matter

[prisma cipher]

What they did all that time fight Iran proxy

[dense agate]

the great confederation, the Palestinian state would be a puppet state almost certainly

[prisma cipher]

Iran cool enough to make big harm to Israel not use their own force

[noble niche]

What happened to this.

[thorny steeple]

That would be another reason to believe they might be planning to occupy more land, as you've pointed out previously that they claim to occupy Gaza to protect themselves from Hamas and other labelled terror groups.
This reinforces the notion that they make false claims to achieve political goals.

[manic juniper]

Hm no I was thinking of creating a natural, mixed country in the region that would form peacefully over time as Israelis and Palestinians/other Arabs would set their differences and hostilities apart

[prisma cipher]

Only hope for Israel is Us help

[feral river]

well it won't happen anyway Israel will just keep in charge

[noble niche]

It's stupid. Arguments after arguments and no conclusion. Why no one talks about culture or social norms or maybe even weather or many other matters which can extend our knowledge. Why do people assume they are such experts on political matters?

[dense agate]

the place was the Mandatory of Palestine, on which the UN Partition Plan was made to divide the region between the groups living there

[real monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-expression-regex-meme-computer-smashing-keyboard-smashing-keyboard-gif-gif-25635350

[manic juniper]

Paleo-Lakelandic

[thorny steeple]

Sure, but it was a long time since the acknowledgement of Israel by the international community; yet Israel has not clearly defined its borders. So, it does rise the question of whether they are planning to occupy more land, and therefore, defer defining their borders.

[dense agate]

although i tend to support Israel more, i would be lying to say there would ever be peace when the hegemon of the region has a different principles and cultural identity, the whole area is doomed with long conflicts, whether the matter of Palestinian state is settled or not, that wouldn't turn the place peaceful.
it's a somewhat similar case to Prussia.

[feral river]

woah don't be like that there's no Palestine be confident about it

Israel will keep in charge as what I say and it happens all the time

terrorists will lose

[dense agate]

yea this is a solid criticism, they don't define their borders and they do have interests (whether are forced or not) to expand.

[feral river]

I will never support a loser

never

I support Russia in Russian-Ukrainian war, I support Israeli in war on Hamas

[manic juniper]

The entire Middle East has people in conflict, they must accept one another sooner or later. And there are many countries with minorities that may be treated like shit but it doesn't always end in conflict. I don't think it's impossible for them to build peace together but there needs to be a lot of external pressure on Israel and the neutralisation of all terrorists

[dense agate]

you're the kind of guy to be be shining the Japanese's soldier's shoes if you existed in ww2

[manic juniper]

What if Ukraine wins

[feral river]

better than being killed and raped and being buried in the holes

[river carbon]

a weird perspective

[feral river]

I will support Ukraine then, I don't support a loser

why the heck anyone would support a loser ?

[dense agate]

he's a person with no principles to say the least

[abstract ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-face-confused-look-im-confused-im-so-confused-gif-16067865999736184254

[feral river]

L ? wtf ? what's wrong with the world

[river carbon]

do u have a country bro ?

[manic juniper]

I support the loser if the winner is something I hate

[abstract ridge]

Exactly

[feral river]

I have one my country is powerful and I'm proud of it

People's Republic of China

[river carbon]

this doesnt change the truth

[abstract ridge]

Proud of what covid ?

[feral river]

the second most powerful country in the world

lmao

[river carbon]

every empire can collapse

[feral river]

I don't see a point to pay off to a loser

or a puppet state ? they can't even on the stage

[thorny steeple]

Yes, and they've indeed tried to occupy the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula before, it was before the Oct 6th war when Egypt returned it in 6 hours.

[feral river]

well that make sense but L is L

you won't change the truth if you hate the winner

and for Palestinian one it's 0-4 L have you ever see my Yasuo did 0-4

[prisma cipher]

Ukraine had no chance to win even when they successfully counterattacked

[manic juniper]

If Finland won without assistance against a much stronger country why can't Ukraine

[feral river]

yeah you guys gonna take Ukraine back to Russia make sense

[dense agate]

it's a region with a history of deeply rooted conflict, grievances, territorial dispute and ethnics/sectarian tensions. so it's going to be pretty hard to make peace there, would probably require another hegemon to enforce that

[feral river]

my principle is damn clear: I do not support a loser

[river carbon]

but japan in ww2....

[prisma cipher]

the best that can happen for Ukrain is that the war will last so long that it will be easier for Russia to conclude peace on unfavorable terms. this is the only way I see theoretical success for them

[feral river]

they L got 2 atomic bombs in their ass

[river carbon]

not chine bombed

[feral river]

we won the war

[manic juniper]

Ukraine has been hindered throughout the entire conflict by having limits on what they can use or where they can strike up until now

[feral river]

we won

[dense agate]

it's somewhat like how africa is plagued with conflicts and civil war due to similar reasons

[river carbon]

thanks to america

[craggy sphinx]

don't touch my Russia

[manic juniper]

Hopefully they deliver them enough weapons to destroy all the sources of the conflict in Russia

[feral river]

thanks to america not gonna lie

[prisma cipher]

You annoying me.

[river carbon]

i mean you were on the losers side at the time

[feral river]

well we will provide more stuff to Russia through North Korea

[dense agate]

something something the president

[feral river]

the whole process is, China -> North Korea -> Russia

[dense agate]

aight bro, keep edging

[feral river]

that's how it works lol

[manic juniper]

A lot of people to be honest, not just him

[craggy sphinx]

No problem.
People don't like it when their ideas are criticized and go against their opinions.

[manic juniper]

Killing him may stop the war but he's not the only one that wants it badly

[feral river]

keep intense, buy our stuff and we will buy their cheap resources

we both don't want to end the war (US and China) why would the war ended ?

[dense agate]

are we to hold all of them and their children as was done with the Tsar , keep the tradition on going

[prisma cipher]

this will not happen. the less success Ukraine show, the harder it is to get new weapons.

[dense agate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/906851385591627828/1194031409879334963/caption-6.gif?ex=67064e28&is=6704fca8&hm=f2ef4bb5fa3134de2fa662f25647d818aaa83d6d2a2ecd1dee8464d0ced076e9&

[manic juniper]

It's more about them fighting or not, Ukrainians will fight even without any support so keeping the flow of weapons going is not a bad thing

[feral river]

idk if they will lose but they are likely to lose

I ain't surprised if Ukraine is part of Russia

and it should be an integral inseparable part of Russia

[prisma cipher]

You may not have noticed, but Ukraine received huge amounts of money from the US. And many of our analysts, predicted that this money would be enough to stop our offensive by the end of summer or the very beginning of autumn. This did not happen.

[manic juniper]

I don't know if they will lose or not but it's better if we make the potential Russian victory as difficult and bitter as possible

[prisma cipher]

It show something bad

[feral river]

idk but we will keep send stuff through North Korea

it's hard to imagine to us if Russia lose the war

[manic juniper]

Ukraine needs ammo more than money, Biden seemed to have forgotten about it and they were in shortage of ammo for a while

[river carbon]

I can even say that Russia won today

[manic juniper]

If Ukraine used coins and banknotes to win they would have won long ago, they need missiles and bullets

[dreamy venture]

Money=ammo

[prisma cipher]

Yea it cost money logistics, also remont weapon stuff. Those money were for weapon mostly

[feral river]

they are likely to win and I support them because they are side with us

they are not losers

[prisma cipher]

They need twice that they already get to get any chance to stop us, not win, to stop

[feral river]

sell more resources and we will provide more stuff to you baby

don't worry China is your back

[river carbon]

when u get taiwan

[manic juniper]

Hm no the production of ammo wasn't really in circle so they couldn't buy ammo that didn't exist

[prisma cipher]

Yea, also it win win situation. If Russia loose it obviously who will be next enemy for western

[feral river]

yeah so fight hard bro

we will provide more stuff I promise

North Korea is also considering to send guns to you guys

I think my Kim Jong Un mister will take care of you

[dapper laurel]

You're making them do all the dirty work

[feral river]

shush

that's a fair trade don't say it so tricky

[dapper laurel]

If I fail in life, I'll go fight in Ukraine

[feral river]

we are helping our friends

[dapper laurel]

A promise to you West and Ukraine

[manic juniper]

Why is it illegal to drill for oil in Cyprus

[feral river]

why don't you try to start a life in North Korea

that's a communist paradise

the real dream land of communists

btw I hope all the communists just get to North Korea and develop their communist utopia

[steady bolt]

Let’s bomb Malta

Just kiddn’

[abstract ridge]

What on earth

[feral river]

a inseparatable integral part of Italy

[river carbon]

for africa 👊🏻

[manic juniper]

Yes get those annoying western Marxist-Leninists to North Korea and Cuba

[dapper laurel]

You are not friends, you are partners, BRICS itself has the sole function of opposing the West, but when the West is defeated, what will happen? There will be a new war to establish a new Chinese world order. BRICS is a collection of countries with nothing in common, and investing in a relationship with the Chinese is shortsighted

[manic juniper]

Do you mean UK

[steady bolt]

Not really

[steady bolt]

Yeah man

[feral river]

well.... BRICS is an economy alliance 😭

[dapper laurel]

Russia is in a die-or-die situation

[dense agate]

the meat grinder continues

[dapper laurel]

So? What prevents them from also becoming a military alliance in the future?

[feral river]

it was not used for against the western rule but achieving economic sovereignty and independence on the US-led order which we have that capability to develop our economy institution for the new world order

[river carbon]

+100k

[feral river]

idk but I don't see there's a chance we can use it for military purposes at least far from today

[dense agate]

those are casualties, these are just deaths

[prisma cipher]

I like this statistic when Russia doesn't publish statistic.

[dense agate]

i wonder why

[dapper laurel]

Well, actually you have simply created your own sphere of influence, as you did with the New Silk Road

[feral river]

because they need more soldiers to fight in the war

if they publish the statistics there's no more source of fighters

[prisma cipher]

You can ask why, but you don't have numbers.

[feral river]

well yeah we have that but that's for economy

for a bunch of survelliance devices inside of the buildings we gift to some government

[dense agate]

the numbers are getting buried in ukraine, day by day

[feral river]

and control their resources

pretty typical just like how america is doing

[dapper laurel]

Italy left the new silk road because Chinese exports here had tripled, the same did not happen with Italian exports to China. It was not convenient , and this makes us an economically dependent puppet, as it was happening with us, it will happen with others too

[feral river]

well well well that's how the price of your goods goes up

[manic juniper]

The one good thing Meloni did

[prisma cipher]

when I want to fantasize we will have a good dialogue, but not today.

I'll just explain something. Russia doesn't report the number of victims. It could be 1000, 50000, 100000 with equal success. But there are no numbers and there is no point in talking about it.

[river carbon]

25ml

[prisma cipher]

And when you talk it meat grinder for Russia you guessing

[dapper laurel]

Meloni is not that bad for foreign policy, I'm only concerned about her economic policies and her associate ministers

[prisma cipher]

This is it

[dapper laurel]

Some of them are incompetent

Our Minister of Culture doesn't even have a degree

Like Meloni, btw

[prisma cipher]

for example, you think that Ukraine kills more Russians than it loses its own people, but you don't have statistics

[manic juniper]

Germany and Finland in WW2

[steady bolt]

I would not say her foreign policy is inherently good, rather careful

[dense agate]

yes, fantasize

[dapper laurel]

She feared being politically isolated because of her extremism, at least she was good with foreign policy

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[steady bolt]

She knows that she cannot disappoint her european allies like Orbàn and other extremists. And that’s crystal clear from many occurrences

[prisma cipher]

there are no statistics but we have statistics that one Ukrainian kills three Russian. It not enough to win by the way. But we don't know that

1 Ukrainian kill 6 they have a chance

But who say it like that, what if one Russian kill three

[dense agate]

wow russia doesn't publicly show their data so we can't make any judgement about this or attempt to find an approximate 😔

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[dense agate]

it can only mean that Russia had no casualties

[manic juniper]

She's too neutral and in times like these it isn't really a good idea

[prisma cipher]

Not even funny I explain what it mean.

[feral river]

you can assume they have no casualties

🤷‍♂️

[dense agate]

it's not meant to funny, it's absurd

[shy summit]

Russia also claims they have destroyed 13+ patriot systems…..

[prisma cipher]

It might mean 1000 or 100000 but since you don't know you can't do anything

[shy summit]

Only two exist in ukrain

[prisma cipher]

when I talk about something I don't use numbers because there is fog of war and I just don't have the information

[steady bolt]

I mean her foreign policy is filled with insecurity because she knows that either way she’s gonna disappoint someone. It’s an hypocritical positioning

[dense agate]

that's why it's called an estimate, and it's not like there would be a huge gap in them, there are both independent and Ukrainian sources.

[manic juniper]

Didn't Russia friendly fire on their own stealth drone and they only have two of that model

[dense agate]

[manic juniper]

That should be difficult to replace

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[dense agate]

terrible yet not close to the Indian Sindhurakshak incident

[prisma cipher]

listen to propaganda more. even if we don't have these drones at all, imagine that all three were destroyed, it doesn't affect the situation

[shy summit]

Russia also fucking ran out of gas 50 miles over the Ukrainian boarder… how the fuck do you make that kind of a logistics error

[dense agate]

Ukrainian drones go prrrrrrrr

[prisma cipher]

if there was one type of weapon on which the entire outcome of the battle depended, but there is not

[manic juniper]

There were two S-70

[shy summit]

The US spends more on intelligence gathering than Russia’s entire GDP. I think my info is reliable.

[prisma cipher]

Sad

[manic juniper]

I saw pictures, they could be edited

[prisma cipher]

Are you for real, you think it affects battle ground? If we lost all new steals drones or some gase

there is no weapon other than nuclear that can affect us

I know what will stop us this fall, it will be weather when tanks won't be able to pass

[dense agate]

with or without tanks, catastrophes like the one in Bakhmut would be hard to avoid

[prisma cipher]

to be honest about the situation, we don't have enough people to capture big cities and this is a huge problem. this is about the disadvantages of the offensive

[dense agate]

it's not only about having enough people, it's also due to losing a lot of them to capture a single city

an actual meat grinder

[manic juniper]

I didn't say it affects Russia, just that they're difficult to replace

[prisma cipher]

then I apologize. I heard about that drone, like I understand they more tests it, not really use.

notice i never said meat grinder. although russian propaganda says the same thing, that the battle is a meat grinder for ukrainians. but i dont have numbers and i cant make such a conclusion, but you can

[dapper laurel]

In the end, shes western

In a nutshell

Controlled opposition

[dense agate]

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-meat-grinder-campaign/32328051.html
the term "meat grinder" is used by Russians as well.
you're free to call it a meat grinder for Ukrainians also, whether you would back that up or not is up to you

[timid bane]

Its war

[prisma cipher]

in response to this I should find a Ukrainian who calls this a meat grinder for Ukraine?

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[timid bane]

That is something that we who are living peace dont understand

[prisma cipher]

I just like the level of argumentation

[timid bane]

I think that like communication

[dense agate]

lel, you took the use of the term as a "western propaganda", the article i posted is just to show it's not uncommon to call it so from the Russian side, even high influencing individuals called it so

[prisma cipher]

Where are you from?

[dense agate]

sure, you can go from denying the ability to make estimates through intelligence to whatever you want

[prisma cipher]

You don't understand what I mean, it was sarcasm

[timid bane]

Far from eastern

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-gif-24111983

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/bb-death-stranding-hideo-kojima-kojima-hideo-gif-15442860

[timid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-pleas-help-oh-no-gif-25461814

[prisma cipher]

I have no doubt that there are a lot of victims. But there is no data, you understand, I have no data to say that this is a meat grinder for Russia or for Ukraine, the term itself is propaganda. It's like saying we are retreating, but they are losing a lot of people and it seems like we are winning

[prisma cipher]

Japann?

[dense agate]

i never made a statement about winning or losing, just the casualties, and for Russia the estimates are high

[prisma cipher]

II did

Explaining why use meat grinder termin

Those who offensive lost more people usually, this is only what I can agree with.

[dense agate]

to describe the brutal high casualty situation, it's like a combat metaphor, it was used also in both Chechen wars

[prisma cipher]

I don’t like metaphors and analogies, they are only needed to explain things that are difficult to understand.

like Schrodinger's cat

[dense agate]

not always, even in a brutal attack as D-day, the defenders had the higher casualties.

[rose eagle]

Yeah neptune operation

[dense agate]

you could've used DMC to illustrate this but nooo

https://tenor.com/view/jackpot-devil-may-cry-gun-dante-pose-gif-14329655

[manic juniper]

Why

[dense agate]

more fitting due to the nature of the enemies they're fighting

[manic juniper]

But is the Lapland War accurately represented?

[dense agate]

¿¿ the Finns turned on the Germans ??

then i guess it doesn't represent that war

[manic juniper]

Yes, we were forced to in order to survive

[sour cove]

we

[manic juniper]

?

[rough fractal]

better pizz

[supple kettle]

ehm... i'm sr, i don't agree with that

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/f22-air-space-smells-gif-16928393191923224371

Laughs in a casual mach 2.2

[thorny steeple]

What's serious topic today ?

[ashen mortar]

Hello mod

[supple kettle]

Hoang Sa and Truong Sa are two archipelagos located in the East Sea, and their sovereignty is a sensitive and disputed issue among many countries in the region. Historically and legally, Vietnam asserts sovereignty over both archipelagos, based on many factors such as:
History: Vietnam has had a continuous presence and management in Hoang Sa and Truong Sa since many centuries ago, shown through historical documents, maps and management activities of the Vietnamese royal court from Nguyen Dynasty period.

Public international law: Vietnam affirms that it has established and maintained sovereignty over these archipelagos in accordance with international law, and that the use of these archipelagos has been recorded in its legal documents. many countries.
And with Chinna, claim sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, based on what they call the "U-shaped line" or "Nine-dash line"
So this island is is in the process of an international dispute on a legal basis, so we cannot confirm that the land is your country, even though we have clear evidence and in accordance with international law to dispute the conditions. That's still in the process of international action, so I don't agree with your statement

[prisma cipher]

wow plane

[supple kettle]

hiii

[shy summit]

If you don’t know what that is then you really don’t know what that is…. 👁️👄👁️ then you really don’t understand how sorely outmatched Russia is…

[prisma cipher]

So it isn't ✈️?

[shy summit]

What kind of plane is it

[prisma cipher]

long story short, Ukraine already received the planes a few months ago

didn't notice much of a difference, or they just didn't use them

[shy summit]

They received f15s that is not an f15

[prisma cipher]

They receive f 16

[shy summit]

Yes, well its not a 16 either

Thats a Raptor

[prisma cipher]

so you were trying to scare me with a plane that Ukraine won't receive?

[prisma cipher]

Sounds scary

[shy summit]

I’m saying the only reason Ukraine hasn’t bowled over Moscow so we can change its name to New Florida is because we’ve only been sending fifty year old tech.

Its not even that hard apparently, the second best army in Russia managed it

Wagner

[prisma cipher]

ah, i have another answer. you didn't give modern planes because you use them and if they don't perform so well in combat it will be an anti-advertisement for all modern weapons. Or you just helping Russia

[shy summit]

No sweetheart. The F22 is so advanced, no other country on the planet has anything like it. We have a law in place that we can’t give those to anybody

[prisma cipher]

in theory

[shy summit]

Russia has been trying for years to replicate it and failed

Same with China

[prisma cipher]

Yea you so cool, just don't show it.

[shy summit]

Ask Iran

They’ll still but hurt about their encounter with it

[prisma cipher]

[rose eagle]

hmm this minecraft guy probably won't understand and change his conservative thinking, he previously supported the massacre of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074670102231924747/1276978142531289171/Leva_classic.gif

[slate spade]

what?

[cinder quartz]

whats topic

[cinder quartz]

qq means "hi hi" in Russian speaking countries

[feral river]

do you know what I'm gonna say ?

Law/Rule without Enforcement is a toilet paper

[rose eagle]

If you say that sparty island and south china sea have been under your country's sovereignty since the qing dynasty, then why can't I see it on this ancient map?

[feral river]

bro don't use that insulting name

[rose eagle]

It only extends to Hainan Island at most.

[feral river]

or I'm gonna report that

[rose eagle]

I will change it

[rose eagle]

Show me the source that proves that the whole south china sea belongs to china

[supple kettle]

not related

[rose eagle]

I changed my name

[supple kettle]

the main here is hoang sa and truong sa is a land of international justice disputes, do you understand, so It doesn't officially belong to any country yet, but why do you say it's your country territory?

[timid bane]

Wow what is going on here

[supple kettle]

your conclusion here is not correct

[manic juniper]

So that Ukrainian was making fun of us

[supple kettle]

oh, hi~~

[timid bane]

What is prc bro, what is that

[manic juniper]

The unrecognised country of China

[timid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-laught-monkey-laught-smile-funny-gif-8811182016519780369

[rose eagle]

Lmao

[timid bane]

I remember we are talking about meat grinder here

The war between Russ and Uka

[rose eagle]

Spin? your name reminds me of.....

[shy summit]

Getting fact checked by a google search

[rose eagle]

this is disputed waters, yes

[shy summit]

China don’t own shit

[manic juniper]

Philippines is in the right

[rose eagle]

Vietnam is on the left

[timid bane]

That it, bro , especially my nick is about electron orbiting the nucleus

[manic juniper]

Vietnam has left

[cinder quartz]

I found a caricature from 1982

[timid bane]

I can create something like this by AI or illustrator easily bro

[cinder quartz]

okay?

idc

[rose eagle]

@feral river

[feral river]

I don't need any source to proof it we are the de facto owner of the sea

[feral river]

it was the truth not my conclusion

I didn't even stated a conclusion

[rose eagle]

Why?

Modern pirates?

[feral river]

truth is that's our territory and we guard our territory no matter you recognize it or not we have it and we own itthen

[rose eagle]

Haizz..

[timid bane]

truth belong to strong one everyone

[rose eagle]

No

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/milošzeman-prezident-zmrd-czechia-czech-gif-25531882

Sure hun.

[timid bane]

that idea we always read on manga nowadays 🙂

anyway we should be cautious with North Korea's missle program alsao

they have nuclear weapon, they have power that all

[cinder quartz]

@feral river can u read it??

1247

[eager geyser]

They do have power indeed but compared to other superpowers? Nah

[thorny steeple]

This is why you shouldn't let Israel hold investigations against its own soldiers. [source]

[timid bane]

you know, we dont need superpower to become nothing, just have enough power to clear all living thing on large area, that is terrible, we all die

superpower or what that nothing , that is meaningless

[thorny steeple]

@feral river
Do you support this?

[timid bane]

world war 3 is about to start

[eager geyser]

It is supposed to happen, but north korea isn't the only one who has the power to destroy the world that's what I wanna say

[timid bane]

we are watching war between Russ and Uka, Irag and Israel

[topaz lava]

What is the the name of the film that you are watching

[timid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/ミサイル-identity-v-第五人格-第五人格真人版-anniversary-party-real-life-gif-18574552

[topaz lava]

Can you tell me what you mean with this gift

[timid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/folgore-italy-ww2-air-force-war-gif-17737012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvNTU8Z-Ke4

i dont like this, i need peaceful life

i want to live a happy life to the the end of my life

[formal pilot]

Humans are naturally inclined towards war

There's nothing we can do

[cinder quartz]

re u from Beirut?

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[manic crag]

Helloo

How are y'all

[eager geyser]

True

[formal pilot]

That's why I think it's impossible to achieve internationalism

[timid bane]

No no im from peaceful nation in eastern region

[cinder quartz]

what

just say it

where re u from

[formal pilot]

Eastern region
Might be china Korea and Japan

They aren't peaceful at all

💀

Aight japan might be up there

[timid bane]

At least i dont have to see they throw missle to each other like other nation like they are playing video game

That is crazy life, hell life

[scarlet cedar]

We really getting there

WW3

US will join this war and other european countries too

[flat comet]

Humans are becoming even dangerous than today, humans always wanted to become greedy or powerful in any other circumstances, even though is a sad fact, soon or later we gonna auto-eradicate itselfs, due to the fact we are becoming cold and emotionless and slowly killing eachother until no one remains alive, life is not always pink as they say, because humans are always tempted to find different ways to make their lives complicated, because being peaceful and free is called weak, weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people, strong people create weak times and this cycle repeats every day, minute and second.

[mental verge]

It's deadass hard and makes me want to jump off a building

My school is utterly crazy if they expect me to pass with no problem

[feral river]

then surrender

ez solution isn't it

[flat comet]

Surrender it may sound a good choice option but is not always the viable one, Israel is keep mentioning that it doesn't fight a state and more exactly a terrorist group the hazbollah, surrender is sound too easy to say it and a state like Israel won't prefer to surrender and then the war it will continue evolve and it will be even a big humanity disaster.

[crisp obsidian]

Sadly, there are other deficiencies among ministers besides not having a degree. Consider his predecessor, ||Sangiuliano||, who focused on his "affair." 😑
Oh, right! He has a degree.

[dapper laurel]

Well, I think that having a degree should be a prerequisite for being a minister of culture, otherwise I too could hold a similar position

[mental verge]

I'm in my 4th year of high school rn and I don't want to go through 3 more years

And idk what to do

[dapper laurel]

Being qualified in nothing can be damaging, especially if you are a minister of culture

He can have the same culture as a high school student, and if a high school boy can't hold conferences and stuff, why should he?

[mental verge]

Best thing I can think of is filing a lawsuit

Since they refuse to label me as senior

[manic juniper]

Hominins are

And it's proof that mammals aren't truly rational besides few like the echidna

[flat comet]

In our world we still have social classes, the low ones, middle ones and the high ones, politicians and those political high roles are supposed to be servants of the citizens, but clearly obliviously it crossed a invisible brick wall, where they don't feel they need to respond to citizens anymore, and I saw you mentioned the word meloni which it clearly may refer to giorgia meloni, which means you are from Italy and italy is known for having problem with political corruption just like my country Romania, people may trust to gain power by using unethical ways and may these ministers may have gained position through family relations, corrupt ways or any unethical behaviour, an high school boy can't hold conferences, because according to the society class he isn't a politician and politician are highly treated like some superior people, is like a peasant talking to the king when the peasant should be submissive and listen to king's order, it sounds sad but is a cruel reality, some people are becoming corrupt to gain enough power to become better and powerful than others, is a really big political competition.

[dapper laurel]

The problem is that our ministers resign, we vote for them, for that government and in the end they resign, this really pisses me off

[crisp obsidian]

Absolutely. When it comes to prerequisites, adequate education is mandatory, but it must be combined with respect for the position you hold.

Therefore, neither one excludes the other.

[flat comet]

Ministers resign usually when they are involved in big complicated dramas, to avoid the public exposure.

I clearly understand your message.

[dapper laurel]

The fact that our minister does not have a degree in itself is irrelevant, in the end he will take it like all the others, as is already happening, but certainly my fellow citizens did not vote for him

[dapper laurel]

Right, and this makes me distrust the government in the end

[flat comet]

Clearly that minister "cheated" in his life, and gained this position through ways that should be illegal

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately when a minister resigns, it is up to the prime minister to choose a new one, it's constitutional, we cannot resort to new elections

That's why there were no riots

[flat comet]

it may sound off topic what I try to say but Democracy in greek is separated in two words

Demos = people
Kratos = power
Demos Kratos means the power of people, what I try to say here, that you shouldn't distrust the government, because the government is technically controlled by the citizens, they need to represent, you and other complaining citizens can organize and protest and tell them your problems, because in rome era, prime minister it was called in latin the servant of the citizens, and only you and other citizens like you can change the government.

[thorny steeple]

Hi!

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately in our case it is not true, because Italy is a parliamentary republic, we do not directly elect our president, it is the parliamentarians who do it, we chose parliamentarians but it isn't fair, in the end

[flat comet]

I know, it sounds very unfair, but you can protest, you can tell your politicians, many organizations do these, even in my country Romania, they gather online and sign petitions and by usng politicians they get easier inside the parliament and things can really change

I am sure, it can exist ways to complain to change things that are unfair

only people can do this, in my country is a expression, where two people are, the power grows and the enemy gets weaker

[thorny steeple]

What you guys talking about ?

[flat comet]

corrupt politicians, political corruption in general

[thorny steeple]

Brain rotting stuff

😵‍💫

[flat comet]

IT can seem brain rotting, because not everyone is very open to political discussions.

✅

[thorny steeple]

I don't like to talk about politics

[flat comet]

I do really understand and I agree with your choice to not.

[manic juniper]

Let's talk about trains

[thorny steeple]

I'll get headache if i talk

[edgy pelican]

I like trains

[thorny steeple]

Me too

[edgy pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/train-wiggle-gif-24702710

[thorny steeple]

Lol

BTW how to check rank?

[formal pilot]

How do you determine the rationality of echidna

[formal pilot]

I like trans

Trains*

[edgy pelican]

[feral river]

no I mean if you are side with Hezbollah then surrender to Israel

and don't care about your humanity shit that literally no one cares

[formal pilot]

Hezbollah doesn't care about your opinion

[formal pilot]

Autocorrect yk

[feral river]

they doesn't care they got ass kicked

very good

never hesitate on kill a terrorist

[prisma cipher]

Discord blocked

[edgy pelican]

but if they kill you first?

[feral river]

try

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah that's why we should kill bibi

[feral river]

no idea on what you are talking about, there's no any case you should justify on killing a kid

what I'm saying is no hesitation on killing a terrorist, any objections ?

any terrorism sympathizers ?

[feral river]

okay

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah, we should eradicate em

[feral river]

yeah that's it

eradicate all of the terrorists

recklessly kill them put them in charge, if we found them in toilets we put their head sink into the commode and suffocate them

[formal pilot]

💀

[edgy pelican]

I hope that get better one day

[feral river]

do I make myself like a terrorist sympathizer ? no I'm the man who will resolutely shoot all the terrorists and put all of the terrorist sympathizers and funders in trail

[formal pilot]

Start with xi first

Apparently he's terrorist sympathizer

[feral river]

which terrorist ?

[formal pilot]

Hamas

Lashkar e taiba

Doesn't even consider em terrorist

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Israel_relations

[thorny steeple]

who's terrorist?

[feral river]

I don't see there's something between us with terrorists

[feral river]

well yeah you put it here before

what does that stands for ?

[formal pilot]

I thought you didn't see it

[feral river]

you wanna say we don't recognize some shit that makes us terrorist sympathizers ?

does that make any sense ?

[formal pilot]

Dayamm you're smart enough to understand my point

Thank god

[flat comet]

Hezbollah is a terrorist group, which I can agree with, but I will come and say that Israel is ain't no saint, Israel has killed many innocent people too, using rockets and american war military machines, surrender is not a option, because hezbollah hates israel and israel hates hezbollah and no one will sacrifice to be good and surrender, Terrorists are bad, but israel is bad too, both sides have killed innocent people and by saying no one cares about the humanity part, it just shows you are a merciless I would like to call a cold human killing machine, everything that makes you human is gone, you are good to enroll in army.

[feral river]

correlation on your head does not imply causation

[formal pilot]

Blud your country doesn't even consider em terrorist

No one cares about your feelings in international relations

[feral river]

why the heck I care about it ? and does that make us a terrorist sympathizers ?

[formal pilot]

Do you consider Hamas as a terrorist organisations??

[feral river]

you mean we don't recognize them as terrorist group but did we really recognize them ?

wtf why would we give a shit in the middle east ?

is there any power besides Israel in the middle east

Saudis ?

[formal pilot]

Because you wanted to eradicate every terrorist

[feral river]

yeah that's what I wanted so what's the link between it and my state ?

[formal pilot]

Yeah apparently your country supports em

[feral river]

no freak

we support Israel more obviously we do business with Israelis

we have cooperation, we got companies operating in Israel

did you see any of them operating in hamas ?

[formal pilot]

Do you consider Hamas as a terrorist organisations or not??

[feral river]

you are asking me I would say yes

[formal pilot]

If you support Israel I'm sure you'll say yes

[feral river]

well yes again

I'm a sponsor of Israel

I bought their stocks, they can use my money to buy guns and bombs and kill terrorists

not pretty much but still some

[river carbon]

wow

[formal pilot]

So not recognising Hamas as a terrorist organisations is literally anti israel

[feral river]

no

who the heck said that

correlation does not imply casuation

[formal pilot]

So you're saying you can support Israel and Hamas at the same time?

[river carbon]

if hamas won the war he will support hamas

[feral river]

that's literally your narrative which you imposed on contradication whether recognition or not.

but recognition doesn't really a shit

especially afar of their freaking place

[formal pilot]

You should read more about international relations and geo politics
Because this statement is factually incorrect

[feral river]

it's just like oh it is not delicious because it looks red, then the blue one is a delicious one

that was bullshit bro

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Israel_relations

you better read it first we got arm trade, we got cooperations

we have companies, we have economy ties

name one we have with hamas

[river carbon]

china ❤️ israil ❤️ usa ❤️ - russia

[feral river]

we can even dock our ship in Israel

that's a huge deal

[manic juniper]

The way they waddle around and how they react to being filmed

[formal pilot]

While not considering Hamas as terrorist organisation lol

[formal pilot]

Blud literally put Russia and USA in same sentence

[feral river]

why would we need that shit ?

recognition or not why does it matter ?

will you get more money from it ?

[river carbon]

According to bro our only enemy in the world is Hamas

[feral river]

🇺🇸 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷

[formal pilot]

Terrorism is really hard to define sometimes

[feral river]

we are the team global powers

we decide the fate of the entire world

not anyone else.

[formal pilot]

For some it's terrorist organisations for some it's freedom fighters

[river carbon]

France ?

[formal pilot]

It's totally based on morality of an individual

[feral river]

yeah that's terrorism sympathizers, good example

[river carbon]

In my opinion, it is an expression of oppression.

[formal pilot]

And goddammm morality is subjective

[feral river]

in my memory you from India and you are dealing with your muslim friend in some fields and I don't see there's a potential you can get something from Israeli-Hamas war

and for moral ? what was that, can you sell it for 5 USD ?

that's a tool that authority uses to govern people

[river carbon]

China is not innocent too

[feral river]

or you got private morality that was used for benefit yourself

[formal pilot]

Aah shid here we go again with straw man legend

[flat comet]

China has both good relations with israel and palestine

[formal pilot]

Dealing with muslim friends in some fields?? Wtf that even mean lol

[feral river]

find something in Gaza that we have in Israel

[flat comet]

nothing, because is destroyed

[feral river]

Pakistan ?

[formal pilot]

And Lebanon

[feral river]

oh yeah problem solved

[delicate wren]

Random

[flat comet]

China has any good relationship with any state except for united states

even with the ex-communist states

[feral river]

actually..... we got a damn nice relationship with the US on commonly exploit those minor states

[formal pilot]

For me killing innocent civilians is considered as terrorism
So yeah IDF is also up there with Hamas

[feral river]

I don't see they are killing innocent civilians

[river carbon]

BRO WTF

[flat comet]

That's good then, I remember back from Donald Trump's mandate, that usa was having a bad relation with china and even banned huawei from google services, but if Is that good, it seems that usa has made good impression with the chinese authorities

[feral river]

if you wanna say war civilian casualties in this region or somewhere else yeah that happens, unfortunately

but there's no point to target civilians and they didn't do that

[formal pilot]

Some folks after October 7*

[feral river]

that's the war zone there's civilian casualties from both sides

but still no idea on bomb the shit out of those terrorists is considered as terrorism

[formal pilot]

So October 7 was justifiable because it's war zone?

Civil casualties from both sides yk

[feral river]

this is war what you are talking about

October 7 is the start point of the war

[flat comet]

Of course, usually asians are well known for ther intelligence and well culture

[feral river]

one side declared war on the other side

[river carbon]

this way japan genocide same think for u

[formal pilot]

Goddammmm you're obsessed with her, I've seen this ss multiple times here lol

[feral river]

no idea that Japan freaking loser got 2 atomic bombs in their shithole

[formal pilot]

So yeah it was war, so it was justifiable according to your maths

[river carbon]

Yeah killed +300k chinese ppls

[feral river]

well, this is a war

[river carbon]

And u dont care

[feral river]

what are you talking about

what you mean by justifiable ?

[formal pilot]

Aight lemme put it that way

What made you think Hamas is terrorist organisations??

[river carbon]

It makes me laugh when Israel says it doesn't shoot civilians

[feral river]

launching terrorist attacks against a sovereignty state

they encroached their sovereignty, they rob their citizens, and they fight their army

then carrying out terrorist attacks against them

[formal pilot]

So by that logic invasion of Iraq by USA was a terrorist act??

[feral river]

no ? they didn't carrying out any terrorist actions against Iraq

they bomb the shit all of the region to eliminate terrorists

[formal pilot]

Define terrorist actions

@feral river you're safe, she isn't obsessed with you

[river carbon]

Seksss

[dapper laurel]

We actually don't know

🤷🏼

[formal pilot]

Goddammmmit

[dapper laurel]

I think I'm hot btw

[formal pilot]

I can confirm
You're the hottest person here

[dapper laurel]

🫶🏻

[feral river]

destructive, provocative, deliberately and violently using dehumanize tactic attacks is terrorism.

idk if it's the full definition for me but that's it

and no matter it's the ISIS or Hamas, or September 11 attacks all fit on this definition

[formal pilot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

Sounds like it fit your criteria

[feral river]

not really

[hybrid siren]

nah

[feral river]

that's a war not terrorism

both sides fight against each other

[formal pilot]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/3/israeli-air-attack-on-west-banks-tulkarem-camp-kills-at-least-18-ministry

What about this one

[hybrid siren]

it's countering terrorism

[feral river]

aljazeera is sponsored by Qatar government

ignored.

[river carbon]

🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[formal pilot]

[feral river]

that's the truth lol

ngl

[formal pilot]

When you do it it's war
When they do it it's terrorism lol

[hybrid siren]

from where i see it, they are making sure the October 7 attack won't happen again, and civilian casualties are proven to be something that's almost impossible to prevent during urban warfare.

[feral river]

that's a different thing we never got that definition of terrorism in US war on Iraq

[formal pilot]

Hamas and IDF both of em did commit inhuman activities

That's it

[manic juniper]

The asteroid 66 million years ago was a terrorist attack

The worst ever

[feral river]

robbing citizens I don't think that's not terrorism

[noble niche]

I approve this message.

[hybrid siren]

https://tenor.com/bT90S.gif

[feral river]

and you may confuse with the war casualties

that's a different thing

[feral river]

yeah so kill it

[manic juniper]

I would have

[feral river]

kill all of the terrorists, without mercy

[noble niche]

Before slavery
After slavery

[hybrid siren]

how can i unsee this drunk bro?

[manic juniper]

I would have hit the asteroid with all the nuclear warheads possible

[formal pilot]

Blud first explain me how tf do you determine the rationality of a rat

[manic juniper]

A rat isn't rational because it's a mammal

And because rodents look hideous sometimes

[hybrid siren]

aren't you rational?

[manic juniper]

Rationality was invented around 320 million years ago by the likes of Hylonomus and other early sauropsids

[formal pilot]

What about Echidnas

[manic juniper]

Nope

[formal pilot]

That's the most rational reply ever

[manic juniper]

Mammals are capable of rejecting their mammality, but it's a difficult process and most of them fail to do so

[hybrid siren]

no it isn't

[feral river]

At least that’s not a terrorist species

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-opinion-gif-22134945

[formal pilot]

Lmao

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/echidna-beach-cute-animals-gif-13290983

[hybrid siren]

are eats terrorist species?

[manic juniper]

It has a well defined goal

[feral river]

Well idk if it’s a terrorist species but dog hot pot definitely delicious

U should try if you reached out in North Korea or China

[hybrid siren]

probably your definition of "rational reply" should be thrown away, my opinion is at least rational.

[formal pilot]

They're nowhere near Archaeans

I still believe they're the epitome of evolution

[manic juniper]

There are a bunch of them that could qualify

[hybrid siren]

it is not a stereotype?

[feral river]

No we eat them

That’s quite delicious actually

[hybrid siren]

when was the last time you ate one?

[feral river]

I love it

[feral river]

Last year

2023 November when I was in Shenyang

[hybrid siren]

oh, that makes it better

[formal pilot]

Yeah they're best
Any big news in science World??

[hybrid siren]

why isn't discord banned in china?

[feral river]

The toilet can maximumly store 3 terrorist bodies

[manic juniper]

A new hadrosaur species in North Mexico

[formal pilot]

5 if you're Chinese

[manic juniper]

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-finally-uncover-the-true-origins-of-the-dinosaur-killing-asteroid/
It was created

[feral river]

Ah anyway guys

[manic juniper]

Something that feared the power of dinosaurs and wished to wipe them out

[feral river]

Have fun I’m gonna sleep

[manic juniper]

Goodnight

[feral river]

Have a good day for all of you guys

Not terrorists

[hybrid siren]

晚安

[formal pilot]

My honest reaction

[formal pilot]

Good night

[hybrid siren]

very funny. you proud of it?

[formal pilot]

Absolutely

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos_simonattoi

[hybrid siren]

no wonder, one of the traits of a terrorist

[formal pilot]

Na they're too muscular

We need better reconstruction

[formal pilot]

Are you accusing me of terrorism?

||My grammar is bad sorry, I'm still learning||

[manic juniper]

Early synapsids and sauropsids vs temnospondyl amphibians

[formal pilot]

Aight I've a question

Can something evolve to no longer be living??

found this on reddit

[hybrid siren]

you mean go extinct?

[manic juniper]

If you mean to be dead, that's subjective because the definition of living being is somewhat flexible

[formal pilot]

Using mitochondria as an example as it evolved into being an organelle entirely depended n the host cell as an example is it possible for a species to evolve to no longer meet the qualifications of a living thing, and if so what is it considered at that point.

[manic juniper]

For example I consider viruses to be living but many (if not most) do not

[formal pilot]

Kinda

[formal pilot]

Aren't they living only inside the host

Outside they're non living

[manic juniper]

In my opinion it works like cladistics, dolphins are mammals because they descend from mammals and can't stop being mammals, same as birds being reptiles, so all descendants of the first living beings cannot be non-living. They simply will be very different in biology

[manic juniper]

So are many organisms in part, because of dead cells or minerals that cover them

[formal pilot]

So viruses might evolve from a living thing to be non living