🧠｜serious-chat

[shy summit]

What room were you in when it happened?

[solemn mica]

idk it was yesterday or 2 days ago

[shy summit]

Join a vc I’ll take care of it

[solemn mica]

ok but i cant talk..

[shy summit]

Yeah I’m gonna fix that

[solemn mica]

okay thank you

which vc ?

[shy summit]

Doesn’t matter

[solemn mica]

i go for the a0 bc there is no one

omg thank you

[shy summit]

Okay should be fixed

Np

[solemn mica]

woooow thanks you really, i love this server

[thorny steeple]

Why so serious

[main bison]

just ping one

[shut grove]

hey guys
do any of you know what happend to alen g?
is he not doing his event in this server anymore?\

[dense hollow]

isael vs palestine

[kindred quartz]

Palestine of course.

[dense hollow]

yes proud they are wining

[unique light]

Winning what?

[dense hollow]

😭 bro know about my 2nd move

[dense hollow]

shut up

[unique light]

👍

[dense hollow]

delete i am just saying fact but still some people will get offended

[dense hollow]

if u dont delete then u have to defend me

[unique light]

Defend you?

What do you mean?

[unique light]

I am not asking you to define 'defend'

[dense hollow]

yes u have to protect me cuz u r my frnd

[unique light]

Who told you I am your friend?

[dense hollow]

🫦💋

💦

[unique light]

You are weird pal

[fierce fox]

youre not safe around him

[dense hollow]

why yall hate me sm

[pastel epoch]

People are drunk here

Or Side affects of cheap drugs

[kindred quartz]

[unique light]

How ya?

[fierce fox]

just sharrap enough of your nonsense

[unique light]

Most definitely some cheap stuff

[pastel epoch]

Right

[unique light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120818572797685811/1261368068429582399/0041-1.gif

[manic juniper]

Kinda cringe

[regal sapphire]

What?

[quasi needle]

i find it best to abstain from any leaning opinion

both sides of the war have been reported to commit warcrimes

that is inexcusable

fighting against suppression is understandable until it comes to the slaughter of innocent civilians

neither side of that war is in the right when you consider the methods they use

[regal sapphire]

Everyone participating in war is a loser.

[quasi needle]

i disagree

fighting against nazi oppression does not make you a loser

d-day veterans are not losers

unless youre not referring to war as all war and just mean the israel-palestine war

where still, i would not label everyone a loser

[regal sapphire]

Well, yes but everyone lost something. I think what I wanted to say was rather, in war there are only losers

[quasi needle]

that may be until you remember that the losses they suffered

were incomparable to what the axis regimes would have imposed

the ethnic slaughtering

[regal sapphire]

I think you may have missed my point or maybe I am poorly choosing my words. Everyone will lose something in war, no one remains unscathed

This is what I was trying to convey

[quasi needle]

i consider there to be winners in wars on case by case bases

in the sense that

you may have lost things or people, but that doesnt make you a loser when you weigh it up against what was prevented

you did lose things, but you gained other things

such as a continued freedom or perhaps even a continued life in the case for jewish people that survived ww2

for a loser to be a loser, i think they should have lost more than they gained

and keeping your own life and freedom is immeasurable

[regal sapphire]

True, but can you really measure if it's "worth it"

As you say it's immeasurable

[quasi needle]

life is priceless

anyone who puts a price on life is evil

[regal sapphire]

I think many people actually lost their will to live as a result of what they had to endure during war

[quasi needle]

many, but most were relieved they were not subjected to horrors beyond comprehension

ill use the nazis as an example

no freedoms with millions culled and a loss of individuality led by a deceitful, censoring, oppressive regime

thats what was at stake

the war was awful, but id weigh it as a win for the allies

what they prevented was more than what they lost

i definitely understand where youre coming from, but i still think there can be winners

[regal sapphire]

I see where you're coming from but I also think that measuring if you lost or won war highly depends on the events one had to go through. It is possible that someone belonging to the "winner" faction has lost everything in a personal way (e.g. family, money, will to live etc.)

[quasi needle]

for sure

but i do not see them as a majority

[regal sapphire]

It is hard to know exactly

[quasi needle]

those who considered themselves to have won at the time were the vocal majority so one can only assume

even if they lost family, most saw it as a necessary and acceptable loss that led to the 'win'

[regal sapphire]

I wouldn't say necessary and acceptable. Who thinks it is "necessary and acceptable" that your mother, father and little sister have to die, slaughtered before your eyes to stop a dictator ?

As you said yourself, life has no price

[quasi needle]

appeasement didnt work

what would've other than war

[regal sapphire]

So how can you say that some lifes have to be shed to overthrow a dictatorship. How cab it be necessary or even acceptable

[quasi needle]

meaningless diplomatic threats wouldnt have stopped the expansion

[quasi needle]

what is the other option

what other way could you have saved millions more

[regal sapphire]

Then this becomes the big philosophical and ethical problem - are three lives more worth than one ?

You surely know the airplane example

[quasi needle]

the nazis killed 1.5 million jews a year alone

[regal sapphire]

I don't know the answer but it surely is a difficult decision

[quasi needle]

some werent even jews

they just aligned to their stereotypical nonsense

[tardy tree]

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[quasi needle]

if the holocaust kept up, twice as many people would have died up to now. the war prevented a consolidated nazi rule

and i see that the war as necessary to have prevented that

we tried appeasement with czechoslovakia, then they went for poland and france

[regal sapphire]

I understand your point of view. Still, is war really the only viable solution?

[quasi needle]

they are not "worth" more than one in a monetary sense, but in an intrinsic ethical sense, yes

[quasi needle]

yes, you cannot please a bloodthirsty dictator

[regal sapphire]

Strong opinions

[quasi needle]

as stated, we tried pleasing him

we gave him a country, we didnt bat an eye. all we said was dont invade more countries

what happened next, the invasion of poland, the killing of millions of poles

[regal sapphire]

I know about the appeasement politic. But I still wonder, is war the only solution ?

[quasi needle]

thats what started the war, the nazis culling populations without instigation

[quasi needle]

it was the last solution

if you sit back and let a dictator take your continent by storm

you have no respect for your nation or people

no metric would have satisfied hitler until he had europe and its colonies at the bare minimum

[restive anchor]

hi

[regal sapphire]

I respect your opinion and think it is great to be so sure about something so difficult. I still remain sceptical about war as the only solution and the worthiness of lives.

[quasi needle]

the only other solution would be to have no war, let him lay siege your nations, let him kill potentially tens of millions more than the war did, let him take your freedoms, let him take your individuality, let him take the rest of your family because "they had a big nose" or wore glasses, or had brown hair, let him finish the nazi development on nuclear weaponry and let him destroy the planet. thats frankly how i see it

if you see worth in life, morally, you would choose the option that preserved the most life

[verbal torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-2819702025275204679

[quasi needle]

and by all predictable measures, nazi occupation of europe, or even the world (which obviously wasnt going to happen due to the war) would have killed more

[regal sapphire]

But did they know they would win the war ? What if they lost ? I don't think the decision was that easy to make. And even less if it was the right one to make

[quasi needle]

nobody would know theyd win

the whole point is to fight for your country

to save your country from horrors

far worse than war

[regal sapphire]

Right, so it was a wager. A wager with lives.

[quasi needle]

would you rather the world burn

[regal sapphire]

I don't think you can say something like this. What is war ? war has many faces.

[quasi needle]

what do you mean

war is a militaristic and violent diplomatic dispute

you fight to prevent the worst

you dont fight to kill. you fight to prevent more from being killed

unless you are a nazi, they fought just to kill.

[regal sapphire]

I wanted to say that you can't generalize war. You can't say something is far worse than war, as war has many different aspects and is different for every single human. So the horrors of war can and were worse than the other options for some

[quasi needle]

(i am not calling you a nazi, im just using that in the 2nd person)

[regal sapphire]

There you have to differentiate between those that were Nazis because they believed in Hitler and his propaganda and those that were forced to commit heinous crimes

[quasi needle]

the war resulted in 75 million deaths, nazi continuation has been calculated to result in up to 120 million people losing their lives

do you not see those 45 million lives as being technically saved

[regal sapphire]

Yes, but (being blunt) I don't think that mattered much to the 75 million dead

[quasi needle]

that doesnt even factor in the technical innovation that stems from war

[quasi needle]

option A: 75 million deaths
option B: 120 million deaths

unless you can list another alternative, there was no other alternative

either you fight against it, or let it happen

[regal sapphire]

We come back to the question if you can compare lives. If you can say that 120 mio are more important than 75

[quasi needle]

no diplomatic pleading would have stopped it

on a moral scale it is obviously worth more

[regal sapphire]

I'm not that sure. But I think it's a really important and interesting question.

And I am glad to hear your thoughts

[quasi needle]

you either lose lives, or you lose more lives. thats how i see it

and the loss of life that was prevented, i see as a win

just imagine if the nazis finished their nuclear weapons program

the world would be cooked beyond belief

[quasi needle]

likewise 🙂

[regal sapphire]

True, but on the other hand, can you really compare lives. Maybe one of those 75 million was 'worth' 100 lives. In the eyes of family, the dead surely had more 'value' than unknown individuals.

[knotty pine]

"Bent was his bow, the Grecian hearts to wound;
Fierce as he moved, his silver shafts resound.
Breathing revenge, a sudden night he spread,
And gloomy darkness roll'd about his head.
The fleet in view, he twang'd his deadly bow,
And hissing fly the feather'd fates below."

[quasi needle]

one life is one life. one person is not worth more than another

no matter their achievements or qualities

[regal sapphire]

Right ?

You can't put a price on life

[quasi needle]

if one is one. 120 milliom is 120 million and 75 million is 75 million. and therefore 120 million is bigger than 75 million. and therefore a 120 million loss would have been a bigger loss

[prisma cipher]

My honest reaction

[thorny steeple]

Poetry reader?

[knotty pine]

My mean teacher is forcing us against our will to read one of the most epic and gorgeously-written masterpieces of all time

[quasi needle]

one is not more than another one. but 120 million is more than 75 million in the same sense 2 is more than 1. life is just quantifiable per the person in my eyes

[regal sapphire]

You can't say how much a live is worth.

[quasi needle]

no i cant

but i can say one person isnt worth more than another

i dont care what theyve done

a life is a life

[thorny steeple]

Okey that's seems interesting

[regal sapphire]

Depends on the perspective, I guess. I mean theoretically you are maybe right, but try to explain this to an orphan who just lost their entire family.

[dense hollow]

😭 i am fk proud of u i had debate about this sm and never heard an answer like this u r 101% right

[thorny steeple]

Finally found the answer?

[quasi needle]

i would see my perspective as an unbiased view, without personal strings

[dense hollow]

yes johnyyy🫦

[regal sapphire]

The worthiness of life is highly individual and something that, in my eyes, isn't countable or rational.

[quasi needle]

on a personal level it’s obviously down to how they feel. but on a factual level, they lost less than they could’ve. i will forever see that as a win

[regal sapphire]

But can you observe lifes on a factual level ?

Or rather, should you ?

[thorny steeple]

Or thy should make yourself better?

[quasi needle]

i can and will confidently and rationally compare the losses of 120 million possible lives against 75 million lives and consider the result of less deaths as the more beneficial result on an omniscient scale

the omniscience being a bit metaphorical in the sense of just knowing the different outcomes

[regal sapphire]

I understand and respect that opinion. But I'm not quite sure if I share it

[thorny steeple]

Only ww3 can get a billion

[quasi needle]

it’s always back to the trolly problem

three men are strapped to a train track

a train will drive over them in a minute

if you pull the lever, the train will divert onto another track with one person

[prisma cipher]

Why you repeat over and over about 75 and 120 where is those numbers from especially 120

[regal sapphire]

He explained it above

[quasi needle]

pull the lever, save 3 lives and kill one. or don’t pull the lever, 3 people are killed, but was it you?

[quasi needle]

the rate of nazi slaughtering for a continued length

1.5 million a year they killed

[thorny steeple]

Pull the lever kill 7 billion or 5 billion

[quasi needle]

on the orphan question

[regal sapphire]

That was the problem I was referring to. It is indeed a very difficult but thereby also interesting problem.
I want to say thank you for an interesting and still respectful conversation !

[quasi needle]

from earlier

[thorny steeple]

What would you chose on the orphan

[quasi needle]

i cannot cater to that. they lost their family, but imagine the many more families that could have died

if you wanted that person to feel better and you didn’t have the war, if you kept their family

i will stay on the hill that i believe it would have let more die

the inaction resulting in more dying. or the action resulting in less dying, but also resulting in involvement

[quasi needle]

no problem i love having debates/discussions

if i may i should probably go to sleep anyways, i have to wake up for school in 6 hours

lovely discussion, i might be back tomorrow 👋

[regal sapphire]

Have a good night!

[quasi needle]

have a good day/night too 😊

[thorny steeple]

Then what would you sacrifice

[regal sapphire]

What do you mean ? You seem to throw in interesting sentences and questions a lot

[prisma cipher]

if countri surrender and fewer people die, should it surrender to the enemy?

[thorny steeple]

In the orphan question what would you sacrifice

[regal sapphire]

I hope I never have to make such a choice. But I have to ponder more about this question

What about you ?

[thorny steeple]

I would thought about it, image along no family what's there to lose

[dense hollow]

why married with cousin is allowed in islam ? inbreeding

[thorny steeple]

Ye causes biology problems

[dense hollow]

damnnn

[thorny steeple]

Well?

[dense hollow]

this was done by the phopet so muslims must be following it

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[dense hollow]

speechless.

[thorny steeple]

Try process it

[prisma cipher]

I bet they have story behind rules like that.

[dense hollow]

where is the story written?

[dense hollow]

u r my frnd from now

[thorny steeple]

Okey

[prisma cipher]

I don't know. I don't even know what country's law you're showing.

[dense hollow]

bruh u are defending this😭 what story can be behind this

[prisma cipher]

You annoy me.

[dense hollow]

country's law its islam law

[prisma cipher]

And? He can't marry twice at the same woman if she doesn't get married after divorce, a bit weird rule, but nothing extra.

[dense hollow]

brainrot rule

[prisma cipher]

I bet they have story behind that law, it might be part of tradition, religion stuff or just something happened.

[thorny steeple]

Or old Arabian traditions

[dense hollow]

it must be written somewhere

cuz anyone can make random shit story and prove this shit thing right

[prisma cipher]

I don't know about their legislation, but in Russia some laws were formed centuries ago, they gradually change, but not always on time. And it might looks weird

[dense hollow]

mhm

[prisma cipher]

the percentage of people who are bothered by this law is so small that I don't see a problem. Tbh

Even more, I see the benefit of it, a person will be more responsible about his marriage

[dense hollow]

ok um sorry i am gonna take a ss of this😭

[stark ivy]

Yes it is but it depends on which one and I can say it cause biological problems so it’s not favorable

[dense hollow]

ik this things are wrong

[stark ivy]

It depends in every religion and how you understand things how it works

[dense hollow]

so u are justifying inbreeding?

[stark ivy]

Bruh I’m not justifying it

I told u it depends on ur religion and the way u think

If u feel that thing is wrong it is logically

And if u don’t u don’t

[dense hollow]

What is wrong is wrong. If people in some community think that inbreeding is right then their thinking will not make it right it will still remain wrong . Everyone knows that killing innocent people is wrong, but if a certain community thinks it is right then it will not make it right, it will remain wrong. so stop defending this shit written in islam and giving illogical reason

[dense hollow]

if some people think its right then they have to change thier mindset

[shy summit]

Perhaps you should recognize that there are those within every culture that partake in this behavior.
White, Black, Asian, Mexican.
You make it sound as if this were something condoned in only this one specific culture, in one part of the world.

Forgive my impertinence but if I didn’t know any better, I would think you were trying to attribute some sort of immoral and bestial nature to those that practice Islam because a some few in that demographic practice that unfortunate method of reproduction.

Of course, you wouldn’t be so foolish as to claim they do it more, as the practice is far more documented within Catholic societies, particularly royal lines.

[heavy parcel]

okay nale

[dense hollow]

nale answer my question why do muslim get offended whenever anyone talk about this?
i didnt mention that this thing only happen in islam
more than half population are muslim and this type of things are written in their holy book it will ruin their mindset. why are u getting offended? dont u think this thing written in a holy book are wrong?

[feral river]

I don’t think there’s any group or community thinks killing innocent is correct

But some people providing taxes, fighters, stick in the grounds and provide shelters to their enemies is definitely not innocent

[dense hollow]

its just an example to prove that guy wrong read all chats

[dull breach]

morning

guys,When you learn English, have you ever encountered a situation where you understand the words but not the meaning of the sentences?

[feral river]

I don’t think we should ever contempt the influential degree of Islam itself, it is the second popular religion in the world, it has rich history, faith believers, they can have potential

[shy summit]

I cannot speak on behalf of Muslims as I’m an Atheist for one. But I can say that the implication you make by pointing out that their holy text permits it is strikingly obvious.

I can point to a number of distasteful behaviors in any of the Abrahamic faiths, or any faith for that matter.

[feral river]

But all we need to do is to know what’s the most beneficial way to deal with Islam for our own interests, some way can be simply contain or discourage it

[shy summit]

Personally I would discourage all religious institutions as a whole. But thankfully I don’t have that power.

[feral river]

That’s depends your own stance and interest ofc if u wanna say oh no that’s part of the freedom we don’t need to do anything to them then see how they assimilate progress is going

[feral river]

Make a lot of sense, then I think China is your ideal state now lol

[dense hollow]

bud no offence but i dont take atehist srsly u are atheist and defending a relegion where inbreeding is allowed but also in the text u are saying u discourage all the religious institute. make a clear decision of what u want its provoking u cuz u also know its wrong i can point out what ever i want

[shy summit]

Nah

[shy summit]

You mistake my condemnation of your intentions for a defense of their faith. There is a difference.

[turbid harbor]

very common. you understand sentences and how words are stringed because you're used to reading things

[turbid harbor]

i dont think they understand this

[shy summit]

Its the “if you’re against me you must be siding with everyone else that’s also against me,” mentality.

[turbid harbor]

that and language constraints. you're too fluent for them

[shy summit]

There is a plurality to this dynamic that is not they aren’t understanding. More than two factions, and its not as simple as being against everyone that isn’t you.

[dense hollow]

what do u want i mean i shouldn't talk about this type of practice?

[shy summit]

A gay as hell one? 👁️👄👁️

Romans and the Greeks both be fruity as fuck

[thorny steeple]

Okay 👍

[shy summit]

Perhaps address whether or not it is actually practiced, encouraged and to what degree.

Seek to understand before you criticize

[thorny steeple]

We need confirmation romaboo

[turbid harbor]

with the way you approach his arguments and how hostile you seem to be in deflecting constructive replies that you only interpret as meant with ill intent because you're not intellectually equipped to compromise with social diversity, yeah youre not cut for it

[shy summit]

I wouldn’t go that far…

[thorny steeple]

He sure isn't cut for it

[shy summit]

This is true. You were only ‘gay’ if you were the submissive one in the relationship.

Moreso than it is today.

[thorny steeple]

True, homosexuality was present with the greeks

[feral river]

But the CCP suppresses ANY religious movements

[turbid harbor]

nah, he withdrew himself so theres that.

[feral river]

As you wanted to make every religion disappear lol

Cuz we are a on-path socialist state

[shy summit]

Petition to bring back the roman empire as our first step towards a one-world-gay-government?

[prisma cipher]

True homosexuality

[turbid harbor]

why don't we kick it up a notch and establish a worldwide bugis gender society

[thorny steeple]

At it's finest

[turbid harbor]

as far as im concerned public bath compliments and secretive pederasty are acceptance /j

[prisma cipher]

Who is that

[thorny steeple]

Not good ngl

[turbid harbor]

I 🏳‍🌈❤ ROMAN TOWEL BOYS 🗣️

hence the /j

also good luck, youll need it

[thorny steeple]

What's the topic

Seems easy

Math?

[shy summit]

As a Gender Abolitionist I cannot agree

[prisma cipher]

[thorny steeple]

Okey, pass it

[shy summit]

I do not see a man, nor a woman, I only see the beautifully perky and round bottom before me 😍

Ass is ass

[turbid harbor]

fortunately for you said society accommodates the transition to gender abolition

[shy summit]

Then don’t participate 😄

[thorny steeple]

We shall abolish gender

[shy summit]

Good,

[shy summit]

Abolish the chains of gender!

[feral river]

I would say the situation may not come to be plural but the result came out might displays they are from a single prominent factor defined by Mao called prominent contradictions

That means I’m not required to get the freaking everything figured out but solve this issue everything will be settled

[shy summit]

I mean if anyone is going to take over the world it’ll be after The US Russia and China turn it to smoldering ashes

[feral river]

Actually if you know a single thing too better you might have a higher chance to make mistakes.

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-ok-fine-good-gif-12768423

[feral river]

Dude you may fluent and talking circling with it around everything you think but one single point is clear that you can’t twist

At least to me

[feral river]

France and Britain will be offended

[shy summit]

France is too busy trying to recover from the economic devastation that was trying to clean their river for the olympics. And so long as the US exists Britain is vying for second

They’re basically posh americans with, somehow, shittier cuisine than us

[feral river]

Britain I would consider that’s another American proxy like in Japan they use Britain to project power and control the European influential expansion

[shy summit]

The only expanding europeans do these days is VIA excess calories

[feral river]

I would say EU is a potential opponent of the US

Europe cannot be united again

That would be a catastrophic to US-led global order cuz they already got a China and Russia

[feral river]

I wonder how could you add some fake words makes you a little bit professional ?

I kinda want to learn that shit

Like how could you say something in addition of virtual word components in the sentence displays you are a professional ?

That really makes me a little bit professional but I hate it

I kinda in favor of American way of speaking

[turbid harbor]

huh?

no offense and this is most likely me being too textbook but the way you structure sentences confuse me 😭

[feral river]

No bro, I just don’t understand why would you say “this is most likely me being too textbook” instead of “I’m too textbook”

How could you just add some meaningless words in one sentence sometimes makes me confuse

There is no literal meaning for add that stuff right ?

I don’t think I usually make confusion to people by English but it’s obvious you are on the higher ground about languages but I don’t understand why talking in a confuse way

I will feel uncomfortable to read that sentence because that’s the way I have never seen and I think it was used for focusing how good English ur

I was like what the heck dude u don’t need this much like that

[shy summit]

None of the words I used were fake?…

[turbid harbor]

because they meant two different things? if i had said "im too textbook" that wouldve been a direct admission of my tendency in processing informations, which i'm guilty of in a lot of cases because neurodivergence makes me struggle to read between lines, but the phrase "most likely" was used because i wanted to assure that it's not just my innate reading difficulty that made your sentences hard to parse. i wanted to make sure i wasn't the only one having a hard time understanding your disjointed texts

[feral river]

how could you assure that you are not the only one by "this is most likely me being too textbook" ?

like is there any relation between them ?

[turbid harbor]

that's...what i was trying to do 😭

[feral river]

dude that doesn't even make sense I think

who can get your point by this ?

btw what texts of mine being disjointed if I would like to ask ?

[turbid harbor]

and none of the words me and nale used are meaningless. this is me being blunt, but you lack the linguistic aptitude to understand words means things and they're utilized to specify context,

[feral river]

I don't think in any circumstances you are required to be blunt not clear, and but you lack the ability to convey the correct meaning to the readers

is my point clear ?

maybe you need 3 lines of words to say something about this I only need one.

and I need to read all of your lines of words to wonder, wtf ur talking about

that's what I mean

I don't there's anyone having a B2 degree don't understand what im saying

nale would like to add some words that's okay at least she didn't twist the meaning

but sometimes I really get lost from your texts also once I tried to put your text into google translate it didn't even come out a correct sentence

[turbid harbor]

im not in the mood to argue, but you've told me this mutiple times, in your characteristically vague way, that my tendency to overelaborate out of the compultion to make sure none of the things i said gets misinterpreted, gets in the way of delivering concise points worth engaging with. i'm very self-conscious about that and it's a major thing i've worked on fixing my whole life, because it plagues my native dictions aswell.

but i don't twist meanings, and i certainly have no targeted intention to obfuscate my arguments just to domineer over the people i talk to with my intellect or some shit, i take huge offense to that.

[feral river]

yeah many times as you said, and about meaning twisting I think you really need to check what you have said or it's suspcious maybe you didn't do that but when I'm reading your text that appears your intention was to twist the meaning then I put your texts to translate it didn't comes out a proper sentence.

maybe that's my bad but you know even in a translate software doesn't have the ability to know what you mean

or if you don't understand, I would say It's your intention to you are talking in your way to yourself, not convey your meaning to other people

so don't think we don't understand your word because we are lacking of linguistic aptitude, I also take offense of that

it's obvious I don't give a fuck

[turbid harbor]

okay i'm actually gonna leave it at this since you're being dense anyway: im unassuming of people's capacity to discuss and debate in this channel, i lay out my opinions and arguments the way i do because the channel facilitates an atmosphere for sensibility and i try to respect the search for intelligent conversations by putting up one, which is also what i seek in this channel. you asking me to tone my superfluousness down, if it ever exists, is a suggestion i highly consider

but you do need to work on your aptitude, otherwise you wouldnt have said nale was using "meaningless words" despite him being very clear 😭

[feral river]

I always think I need that, thank you

and about superfluousness thing, well at least I confirmed you know that, that's all enough

[rose eagle]

In China, if someone publicly speaks ill of the CCP, will that person receive the wrath of the people or do they simply not care?

[quasi needle]

religion is far too inherently flawed

justifying morality through scripture is dangerous

especially when some scriptures incite their religion’s followers to take part in hate and violence against others

morality is derived through the individual not through religion as commonly used in debates for religions

they are institutionally harmful for the development of humanity and cause billions to deny, without reason, the origins of the species

[turbid harbor]

wow how enlightening

[dapper laurel]

Yes, although the people couldn't directly elect the emperor, so I would say it was a sort of elective oligarchy

[turbid harbor]

I LOVE PARLIAMENT ❤

[urban reef]

As far as my limited understanding about Islam, the wisdom behind the rule "a man cannot remarry a woman whom he divorced twice, before she marries another guy" is to teach him a lesson about the seriousness and sacredness of marriage relationship. There are cases in which it is very easy for a husband to divorce his wife and regret it later.

[feral river]

well if police officer is nearby you will immediately go to the office and they will told you to not do this and if you promised you don't do it you will be freed.

it's not even a crime or something they will just consider this as disturbing social order like shouting around in a public area

if you don't talk about Xi jinping just shout in a public area you also will be in the police office.

[feral river]

well I think there's 2 type of moralities, one is private morality (私德) which is a general criteria of measure to preserve your own interest, and the another one is public morality (公德) which is used by authority to set a couple of standards to regulate other's actions.

one is used for defend your own interest, like there's a wallet on the ground and you decide to not to take it because here's a camera on your head if you take it, you might get in trouble

one is used for authority to regulate people, like we need to know that something not belongs to you, you have to return it to the original owner

one is in order to preserve your interest, one is in order to regulate other's actions.

[manic juniper]

What the hell happened here

[wary horizon]

This is some serious chet tbh

[peak widget]

@feral river maybe you could sum up the discussion so we dont have too read all of this

[regal sapphire]

...or you could maybe read it and thereby better understand his arguments

[turbid harbor]

me watching someone get cooked for an opinion i lowkey agree with

[feral river]

that's just a real case of discussion if you want to sum up that, you are welcome

[turbid harbor]

just compile everything into chatgpt and generate a summary

[rotund venture]

hi anyone here 👀

no one here expect me

just ask what is difference between doctor and physician i know it's the same meaning but who is better to say it

[regal sapphire]

Phycan ?

[rotund venture]

phycan and doctor is the same meaning

but who is better to say

[regal sapphire]

The only thing I could find that has the name Phycan is Physics of Cancer

I don't think Phycan exists as a word

[rotund venture]

dude translate it and you will know what " phycan " means

[regal sapphire]

Can you show me the definition of "Phycan" then ? Preferably from the Cambridge dictionary

[regal sapphire]

Also, this is not the appropriate channel to ask such a question. Go to #📚｜english-questions

[rotund venture]

sorry its a physician not phycan 😅

[rotund venture]

thanks dude for advice

[turbid harbor]

isnt phycan the bird

[rotund venture]

sorry i mean physician not phycan

[manic juniper]

[turbid harbor]

one's a level of university degree, the highest there is, the other's a medical profession. when comparing the two in a medical context though, people usually use the second term to refer to specialized practitioners in medicine the way surgeons do with surgery

@rotund venture

[regal sapphire]

Bruh go to #📚｜english-questions

[turbid harbor]

physicians brew and assign your meds based on your prescriptions, basically

[turbid harbor]

guy was asking a very short question, let him be

[regal sapphire]

He asked the same in the appropriate channel. Maybe answer there ?

[manic juniper]

Why not here if the damage was already done

[rotund venture]

ok thanks dude so its better to say doctor

[turbid harbor]

my answer wasnt interrupting anyone or anything now was it

[manic juniper]

Those with notifications on will be very upset

[turbid harbor]

there's no "better" way of saying it, there's however situations to use the term properly. you use doctor to refer to any medical professional casually, whereas you use "physician" when you talk about people adept in making and designating medicines

[turbid harbor]

i muted this server tbh

hell i even muted this channel 😭

[manic juniper]

Not even the mentions?

I mute all non-mentions no matter the size and activity of a server

[rotund venture]

wait you mean pharmacist is physician

becouse they do the same thing " about people adept in making and designating medicines "

[manic juniper]

I suppressed all in the second category

[turbid harbor]

right, pharmacists make your meds. physicians usually assist them and provide general roles. idk man its useless semantics and no one actually uses the term physician

[rotund venture]

ok dude thanks for tell me that

[turbid harbor]

the server luckily doesnt abuse the first @s so i havent had to turn it on

[frail apex]

is this chat only talk about serious things?

[regal sapphire]

Yes, as explained in the description

[manic juniper]

If you believe that sauropsids are a serious matter then yes

[turbid harbor]

name's for display only, in reality this is the only channel you can send paragraphs on because people here (are conditioned to) bother reading them. most of the time they just duke out on useless things like pretending to be intellectuals over newspaper politics the way old bald dads do over cups of bitter coffee

[manic juniper]

Fiscally responsible

[frail apex]

haha so it just copy pastes word channel?

[turbid harbor]

no

[frail apex]

you're not a bot right?

[turbid harbor]

i typed all that and your first thought was i was a bot how more human do i need to speak

[past lake]

hello, my name is zafer. i want to practice in level B1. help me please 🙂

[frail apex]

im sorry i think u jus copy the chat 😭

[turbid harbor]

uhuh

[lavish creek]

Ig they often take it as a personal insult, if you bring it just for I dunno no reason

Even if it's exmuslim and you just start talking about that stuff without any particular reason it might seems you playing "oh look 😉😂 are you guys really doing it ? 😲 You too ? Wow my culture is so superior in contrast to you 😜"

In that case it's kinda understandable, but still one always has to control oneself's emotions I believe

[lavish creek]

Russia is not capable of competing anymore, unfortunately

Region power, but not in the world stance

It's the US, China is also a regional power

No matter how their economy and debt-trap policy are strong

Damn if you think Minecraft's English is not good enough, what do you think about mine ?

[quasi needle]

that’s what i particularly find interesting

the case for religion often argues individual morality would not have existed if not for the religious principles of civilization.

they argue that we would not have any right or wrongs if not for religion

i know this has some overlooking but id hurd religious followers into 2 categories

non dogmatic and dogmatic belief

and dogmatic belief is quite frankly harmful

you have the more spiritualist people, they don’t try impose their own ideals upon others and they derive their belief from within themselves

or those in the dogmatic category that often end up denying others with a clear lack of respect, something directly against their religion’s “rules”

hence why scripture is so dangerous

humanity has to accept religion is a means of cushioning the reality of life rather than using it to push lies, deceit and hate. referring especially to islam on the hate part

[thorny steeple]

Ah

seriously?😅

@austere dagger

So as per me size matters

But I hv smol

So I m sad

[austere dagger]

I am 5'5

[thorny steeple]

That's too big

[austere dagger]

[thorny steeple]

I wish I had it

[austere dagger]

You mean tall?

[thorny steeple]

Why do y think size doesn't matter

[austere dagger]

Idk, I think so

[thorny steeple]

I mean pp

Not height

[austere dagger]

Oh

I haven't measured mine

[dapper laurel]

Is it like 160cm?

[thorny steeple]

Mine is 5 in sadly

[austere dagger]

167 or 165 something

[austere dagger]

5 what? Bananas?

[thorny steeple]

At same skill then it does matter, but mighty mouse took down a bigger guy

Does it matter?

[thorny steeple]

Whats your weight?

[thorny steeple]

So motivating

[dapper laurel]

Not bad

[thorny steeple]

Thx

[austere dagger]

I'm not even sure, maybe it's 60 or smtg

Kg

[thorny steeple]

I am so insecure about my pp size u motivated me

[thorny steeple]

You can also search "saenchai" a small fighter but KO bigger opponents

[austere dagger]

Fr? My friends are all taller

[thorny steeple]

Ok senseii

[thorny steeple]

Go bulk up, then you will be bigger

[dapper laurel]

Let's say it's in the global average

[thorny steeple]

But will girl be happy that's the question

[dapper laurel]

With peaks in Europe and some areas of Africa

[austere dagger]

What if I only grow horizontally lmao

[austere dagger]

I see, sad

[dapper laurel]

It also depends on how old you are

[austere dagger]

I'm 19

[thorny steeple]

Still big, tbh "size" is also decided by weight

[austere dagger]

Am I cooked

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[austere dagger]

I see :((

[dapper laurel]

In some cases, growth ends at age 21

[austere dagger]

You giving me some hope

[thorny steeple]

Depends on their taste

[dapper laurel]

Where are you from?

[thorny steeple]

Thx

[austere dagger]

Pakistan

[thorny steeple]

I hope my 5 inches prove worth

[dapper laurel]

Not bad for that country

[austere dagger]

Girls are of my size at least

[dapper laurel]

Are you of Punjabi ethnicity?

[austere dagger]

Nope, gilgiti

[dapper laurel]

I didn't know this ethnicity

[austere dagger]

It's in the northern areas of Pakistan

From Gilgit Baltistan

[dapper laurel]

I searched on the internet, they have very European features

[austere dagger]

hmm interesting

Which features to be specific?

[dapper laurel]

Blue eyes or light skin

I saw some pictures on the internet, I don't know if they are reliable

[austere dagger]

Yes, there are a lot of people with blue eyes here

And light skin too

[hoary grove]

Is there someone I can go to talk about religion

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[lavish creek]

It's primordialism, not eugenics tbf

[thorny steeple]

im here too

[ashen mortar]

where is that chini dude

[manic juniper]

I'm a primordialist but I don't care about eugenics

I just believe that reptiles and mammals are innate unchangeable ethnicities

[rose eagle]

And do Chinese people get angry when someone speaks ill of the CCP?

[feral river]

nope

[sterile fractal]

Helloe

[feral river]

When they do something good we appreciate them

When they messed up we criticize them

[dapper laurel]

Can journalists criticize them?

[sterile fractal]

Anime

Girl

[rose eagle]

in vietnam yes, there are students who won first prize in a very famous knowledge contest stated online sth like that "The Communist Party of Vietnam is shit" and as a result he became the focus of criticism and abuse all over the internet.

and he was taken to the police station and as a result he was ostracized and isolated by everyone in his school.

[rose eagle]

Oh

[frank ether]

too bad

[lavish creek]

Poor lad

Punishment for spreading the truth

https://youtu.be/kmYdpHtOv_E?si=6u0W_CWWMaNKNZug
@feral river

https://tenor.com/view/winni-the-pooh-gif-26198556

[feral river]

Absolutely no, cuz they will lose their job if they do that

[lavish creek]

Only lose their jobs?

[feral river]

They may not facing any prosecution but they will lose their job certainly

[feral river]

Yeah

[dapper laurel]

Ah, I thought it was a matter of life or death

[feral river]

We are not under a totalitarian government

[lavish creek]

Actually a kinda symposiate Chinese mate in the beginning

[dapper laurel]

Fair

[rose eagle]

Hmm???

[dapper laurel]

But sometimes I wonder if dictatorship works in the long term

[feral river]

Even in some timeline in Chinese history like the cultural revolution if you said something wrong they may criticize you and force you to wear a sign and go street to make a confession

And state how wrong you have done

[dapper laurel]

I mean, It is a system that hinders the "natural selection" of government

[rose eagle]

Truth???

[lavish creek]

Well most of human history almost in all society people lived under some kind of dictatorship

[frank ether]

I am living 22 years with same government in Turkey no thanks

[feral river]

I don’t know which one have been natural selected but obviously we have that potential to select other systems

Cuz we are damn successful

[lavish creek]

Even today democracy and so-called hybrid regimes are only 50% of countries

[rose eagle]

hmm, authoritarian or dictatorial government

[dapper laurel]

Yes you can, but imagine when your government is no longer liked by your people, another bloody revolution will break out? Another fratricidal war? Better not, better a democratic system

[lavish creek]

Well one may argue that dictatorship is an invention of the 20th century u know, but I hope everyone got what I meant

[dapper laurel]

Works?

Is Erdogan's government working?

[lavish creek]

Can you defy what u mean when you are asking "works"?

[dapper laurel]

From an economic and qualitative point of view, does it work?

[frank ether]

Unfortunetly yes

[lavish creek]

Well, if that is your question, so yes

Sometimes democracy is actually bad for economic growth, like in your country

[dapper laurel]

What do you mean by unfortunately? Are they achieving their economic and foreign policy goals?

[lavish creek]

What about the Italian economy for the last 10 years? What about how much you are spending to pensioners and have a really low fertility rate

[dapper laurel]

Our economy is growing, fortunately we have not been in crisis for a while. Democracy is an unstable system, but when you choose the right government, everything works wonderfully

[lavish creek]

The expenditure on pensions in Italy accounted for 16.8 percent of the GDP in 2019

[dapper laurel]

The government is making reforms to increase births, for pensions it would be enough to privatize them

[lavish creek]

Well we will see how it works

It doesn't in Russia and Norway for instance

[dapper laurel]

Well, I can't be happier with how the economy is doing right now

We have a higher GDP than Russia despite having less than half of its population

It couldn't get better than this

[lavish creek]

It's not about Russia

You can compare to Africa then

[dapper laurel]

Ik, just comparing

[lavish creek]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

[dapper laurel]

In recent times we are one of the countries that has grown the most

I couldn't be more proud

[frank ether]

really ? If you say Economy is bad you're going to Silivri (to the jail) I have been looking for job for 3 years and a few days ago 8 years old girl losted own her villages everybody searching 19 days and There was a publication ban on the new from government finally 2 days ago they founded but she was dead villages people was silent

[lavish creek]

Well rn it looks like this

[dapper laurel]

Well, other European countries are not doing any better either

Declining fertility rate is typical of rich countries

[lavish creek]

They spent less on pensioners and kinda more willingly accept migrants, don't they?

And we were talking about democracy

[dapper laurel]

When people have greater economic awareness it is difficult to encourage them to have children

[lavish creek]

Pensioners are most likely against pension reform and against migrants

So the situation could get worser and worser

[dapper laurel]

Well, they don't want immigrants, so they'll increase the birth rate with policies that benefit families

[lavish creek]

That's what I meant when said that democracy could be bad for economy

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Public-and-private-expenditure-on-pensions-in-selected-OECD-countries-2012-As-a_fig1_266731939

And it's 2012

[feral river]

I just don't get it that you will always consider government is doing something not for the interest of majority of people, how they gonna maintain their authoritarian rule if they didn't gain major support by people or people hate them to be the ruler ?

recent FAIR popularity survey in 2021 shows 91% of people supports CCP's rule in China

[dapper laurel]

Because there will simply come a time when the interests of the majority will become those of the government, which can sometimes prove to be disinterested in the needs of the population. This has happened in Russia, China, America, France, Italy, Spain, Greece etc. A dictatorial government cannot survive forever

[feral river]

throughout the history of CCP, I didn't see there's a moment they lost majority's support even it's at the peak of great leap forward and cultural revolution which killed millions of people

[dapper laurel]

Yes, this may be true, but how long will it last?

Human beings need changes, it's in our nature

[feral river]

In China, 5000 years history, we don’t have an western liberal government ever

[dapper laurel]

Indeed, how many bloody revolutions have started then?

[feral river]

Despite we got the century of humiliation because our leader chose to close the country to the world and we are lagging behind on technology but that’s still for the interest of majority of people and stability of the regime

[feral river]

You can’t even count

[dapper laurel]

My speech was focused on the non-survival of dictatorial systems

[feral river]

But every authoritarian regime established after, they tried to avoid such mistakes that former government have done

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but there must have been other revolutions, up until the last one that happened, the communist one, but the question is: how long can this non-democratic system survive?

And how many generations will be lost to future revolutions?

[feral river]

That’s matter ?

I don’t see we care this point

[dapper laurel]

They could be your children, or your grandchildren

[feral river]

We really don’t have that western morality or personal freedom something

[manic juniper]

Prypiat

[feral river]

So ?

You mean we established a democratic could avoid the civil war?

How we gonna deal with Americans then

[dapper laurel]

The chances would be drastically reduced

[manic juniper]

What do they teach at school about Tiananmen Square in 1989?

[feral river]

As I always said there is only one chance that we annexed the entire world then establish democracy

[dapper laurel]

Nothing ever happened

[feral river]

Democracy is a system that allows your enemy to exploit you

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-angel-ga-gala-ranpha-franboise-social-credit-gif-23510180

[manic juniper]

Maybe he can't even see the message through the firewall

[feral river]

Nothing ever happened

But I support that decision by Deng

[dapper laurel]

[feral river]

That’s what he should do

[manic juniper]

Lmao but for real, is it mentioned and how is it described?

[feral river]

Actually people support the act by CCP in Tiananmen Square

I talk with a lot people about this

[prisma cipher]

I'm always amazed at how people get hung up on one episode, it always looks very strange, as if there was nothing before or after it

[feral river]

First you gonna know we don’t mention it or teach it but it doesn’t mean we don’t know it

[dapper laurel]

We have much to learn about your culture, and I hope that one day you too will embrace ours too

[feral river]

We know it in another way, there’s a lot of stuff cannot be taught in China, but we learn them from discussion, internet and other stuff

Chinese internet is not as oppressive as you imagined

[dapper laurel]

Otherwise you wouldn't be here telling us about it

[feral river]

Well the main contradiction is, democracy is a system that allows your enemy to exploit you

That will never never never happen to China

[dapper laurel]

Give me a practical example

If you want 👉🏻👈🏻

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

[fervent helm]

I agree, democracy is the people governing. but people are stupid, at least most of them.

Good afternoon

[dapper laurel]

This is why the parliamentary republic exists

[dapper laurel]

Good afternoon to you too

[shy summit]

Its a good thing there are no direct democracies with any real political power

[feral river]

That’s a lot to say but let’s me say it in this way, do you think it’s matter that other countries influences comes into your country?

Do you have that sovereignty above everything?

[shy summit]

They got caught and shut down

[dapper laurel]

Well, this is globalization, it is an inevitable process

[feral river]

By who

[fervent helm]

That they need to keep making agreements among themselves, in the dark. To arrive at something.

[manic juniper]

It was genuine curiosity, I wanted to know if it's taught at all or if it's a myth/meme. Apparently not

[shy summit]

Natural social development not by any one group or person

[feral river]

That’s not globalization, that’s Americanization

[dapper laurel]

You have a distorted idea of democracy

[feral river]

That’s what I need to clear

Your global order, globalization is based on the United States

One of our biggest potential enemy in the world

[manic juniper]

So it's akin to underground information?

[feral river]

It’s no difference that you guys can ban TikTok because it’s a Chinese app, that you guys need your network sovereignty

[shy summit]

Thats just a representation of the fact that America has remarkable market power so its inevitable that our culture is spread to the places we interact with

[feral river]

But we already censored everything you guys do in our sovereignty network environment to make sure you can’t do that to us too

[dapper laurel]

Having the same political system does not mean having affinity, for example our government is not at all friendly to the American government and we have challenged it several times

[shy summit]

He’s actually admitting to censorship now?

[versed rain]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-tuesday-gif-13726896489925419191

[feral river]

Oh cool then I would say we don’t give a shit to that we will not let you in

You are the enemy in our geopolitical vision

We need to contain you, that’s what we do

[shy summit]

[fervent helm]

Which country are you from?

[real monolith]

Hello lmao

[prisma cipher]

Like for me, I don't care if you mentioned it or no.

[shy summit]

He’s some West Taiwan

[feral river]

We always do that why you think we need some Americans to mess up and spy in our internet

[dapper laurel]

Well, it is, for now, but what if you decided to cooperate so that you have free competition?

[manic juniper]

Do they teach about the 1993 coup in Russia? How is it described?

[feral river]

When it’s globalization by China not the US

[prisma cipher]

I will say something unpleasant, but without that event, perhaps today would be a different China

[manic juniper]

Most countries have one event that is taught in a particular way, my country too has at least two of those

[shy summit]

You and I both know its about keeping unwanted information from reaching the public because freedom of information would destroy the one party system

[feral river]

Free competition, what a joke when US stole technologies from Europe and when they rise up they say they gonna protect their copyrights

[dapper laurel]

It could happen if you cooperate

[feral river]

That’s all about national interest

Not some freaking shit system

[fervent helm]

I think the country that provides the most freedom to its people is the USA.

[shy summit]

China stole half its designs from the US for military tech.

[feral river]

I would say thank you we will continue to do that

[manic juniper]

Do they teach about the Libyan genocide in Italy?

[feral river]

And thanks for Israeli selling your stuff to us

[shy summit]

Imagine being so inept you can’t make your own military tech.

[prisma cipher]

If so, then why cling to cases where a country did something bad?

[dapper laurel]

No, not even the genocide in the Balkans done by us

[feral river]

Maybe in the future

[fervent helm]

I think, tell me your options.

[feral river]

But till now wmds is all enough

[dapper laurel]

For them nothing ever happened

[feral river]

Don’t test our sovereignty lol

[manic juniper]

1989 isn't the worst thing that happened in China, I think you're aware of its meme-like status. I wanted to ask a Chinese citizen about his experience with the education system

[prisma cipher]

Gay stole rainbow

[feral river]

We don’t test you guys sovereignty but it seems you guys are trying to use any chance possible to test us

[shy summit]

No wonder Taiwan wants nothing to do with China

[feral river]

That’s Republic of China

And People’s Republic of China

[shy summit]

Different state

[dapper laurel]

But the same people by blood

[feral river]

But China, and we signed one China policy in 1992

1992 consensus

[shy summit]

They left ya’ll years ago and you keep pretending you’re still a couple.

[feral river]

Idk do you want war ? I don’t think we want that

[manic juniper]

They pretend to be the same person

[fervent helm]

Taiwan is running if it depends on the US

[feral river]

Don’t test our sovereignty

[shy summit]

No that’s why we support Taiwanese sovereignty

[manic juniper]

It's a case of inverse multiple personality disorder, where two personalities pretend to be one and that the other doesn't exist

[prisma cipher]

It always amaze me, people who told what other country wants. I bet you have no idea. Did you do social research and ask people what they want?

[feral river]

You can support

But things will not going to be what you are supporting to

[shy summit]

Yes only 12% of Taiwanese actually want their country to rejoin China

[manic juniper]

Amongst elders there is a significant wish for union with the PRC but most youngsters are the opposite

My best friend is from Taiwan

[feral river]

Well actually we don’t care that much

We both are restrained on this point and if they really do something like independence

[prisma cipher]

How do you know that? Who make that research

[feral river]

We will just put our mighty army above them

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[shy summit]

Taiwanese domestic polls

[feral river]

Nothing with your opinion or something

[prisma cipher]

Even if so, who cares

[feral river]

Guns is everything

[prisma cipher]

Who strong take their land

[feral river]

When a gun is above your head dare you can say something bullshit

[shy summit]

They didn’t want it so they left. We support them

[manic juniper]

What about young Chinese mainlanders? Do they wish for union with Taiwan or not?

[fervent helm]

Where are you from?

[manic juniper]

Finland

[prisma cipher]

And they will be happy, china show research where 99% approve it

[shy summit]

China only wants it back because they want the factories their that produce microchips because their engineers can’t figure it out

[feral river]

We all support reunification for sure but some people doesn’t support to take back Taiwan by force

They want peaceful unification but I don’t think that’s possible

[fervent helm]

Russia's neighbor

[manic juniper]

And North Korea

[shy summit]

Yeah if they try to use force Taiwan has the US’s support

[feral river]

Then let’s do a crazy war

[prisma cipher]

I doubt you know anything.

[feral river]

You think ur the big boys v

[shy summit]

There already put our Find Out over they and your navy fled

[manic juniper]

Interesting perspective

[feral river]

I’m too

[fervent helm]

I don't think that's why.

[feral river]

Don’t test our sovereignty everything can be settled in a peaceful way

That’s what we are doing, that’s what US is doing

[dapper laurel]

They have Germanic blood, Germans are warmongers by nature ᛉ

[shy summit]

Ya China can leave Taiwan alone and no one attacks anyone

[manic juniper]

The wish for union with mainland China was very nationalist in nature, but since Taiwan stopped being a dictatorship and nationalism decreased so did the sentiment

[dapper laurel]

I want to die in war so bad

[feral river]

US leave there or WW3

See if it’s WW3 as I said if war breaks out

Never test our sovereignty

[shy summit]

I advise you learn something about how outclassed the Chinese Military is… https://www.brookings.edu/articles/chinas-hollow-military/

[dapper laurel]

I bet you €5 it will be WW3

[feral river]

I don’t need to really lol

[fervent helm]

Since opening its market, I encourage capitalism haha

[dapper laurel]

How much do you bet?

[shy summit]

Nah bet bottlecaps, it’ll be the only viable currency after ww3

[feral river]

I don’t want to give out bunch of useless articles to show you how American military works

[feral river]

We will see.

[shy summit]

Fallout Reference hun

Sorry its lost on you, is it banned in China?

[feral river]

Such a Mexican standoff

[feral river]

We got a lot of fallout community in China

[dapper laurel]

Fallout reference?

[feral river]

We can access steam and play every game we want

Without vpn

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout4-please-stand-by-video-game-fallout-gif-18239942

[manic juniper]

I guess I will ask another Russian about the 1993 coup

[dapper laurel]

Nothing ever happened

[feral river]

I have no idea why you guys think you think you can do anything to us, judge us

When talking about why we can’t democratize

[manic juniper]

I think it's taught but I'm curious about how it was perceived

[feral river]

I would like to ask why don’t you guys surrender to China then

[fervent helm]

If Russia gives the image that it won this war, Europe is only in its own hands.

[feral river]

That’s the same thing

[manic juniper]

The only country I'd surrender to is Estonia

[dapper laurel]

I'm not judging anyone, sorry If it seemed that way to you

[shy summit]

Because unlike mainland China most of our internets aren’t limited and we don’t fear out governments if we decide to do independent research.

[feral river]

No I just think it’s a normal discussion then nale comes here say how terrible we do and saying we gonna have a fight or something

[fervent helm]

Why?

[feral river]

If you want a fight we can do that

[feral river]

You mean we can’t do that ?

What you are even talking about

[shy summit]

The CCP is known for arresting those that have a different opinion or start poking too close to information that makes them look bad.

[feral river]

Proof

This is another bullshit

[manic juniper]

Best Baltic country

[shy summit]

Sigh I’ve given you proof before and you just ignored it. So I’m not sure why you bother asking at this point

[fervent helm]

And Finland?

[manic juniper]

It's cringe

[feral river]

Hear, if you don’t like me you can just say it you don’t need to be like this, and about CCP arresting people on different opinions I will tell you I’m pretty angry with CCP when they doing something during the Covid

I talk with everyone if they talk about CCP politics and I will say how bad their policy during the COVID

And even Great Leap Forward, cultural revolution, tiananmen massacre something I all recognize that’s truth

[manic juniper]

If Minecraft stops replying here we know what happened

[feral river]

If you think that’s not enough for arrest me what you can arrest them for another reason ?

[dapper laurel]

One thing that was strange to me about Estonia was the blonde girls who dyed their hair black, and you could see the blond regrowth

[manic juniper]

We will rescue the supreme leader or the nuclear response will be unavoidable

[feral river]

Even my friend is a member of CCP

[fervent helm]

Lol

[manic juniper]

Goths are popular there

[feral river]

Like you are really talking in a way of prospect by western propaganda or something idk

Not the real situation in China

[shy summit]

https://hrf.org/reports/ccp-100-years-of-suppression/

https://www.state.gov/gec-special-report-how-the-peoples-republic-of-china-seeks-to-reshape-the-global-information-environment/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/18/china-internet-control-ccp-technology-cyber-surveillance-policy-sentinel-state/

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/suppressing-truth-and-spreading-lies

https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2024-02/Censorship_Practices_of_the_Peoples_Republic_of_China.pdf

https://hrf.org/programs/ccp-disruption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_to_Suppress_Counterrevolutionaries

https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/the-paradox-of-chinese-politics?srsltid=AfmBOoqUjDdoWJYuDsk9gMSKYezbszw5U0vJJKlaqEDgAt8JuIIuIpmq

https://gking.harvard.edu/files/censored.pdf

[dapper laurel]

And the shopkeepers laughed at me when I spoke 🥲

[manic juniper]

Holy

[manic juniper]

Why is that

[shy summit]

Here’s literal tip of the iceburg

Read at your own leisure

[dapper laurel]

I was speaking Italian and the girl in front of us started laughing

[manic juniper]

Many shopkeepers in Tallinn can speak basic Finnish, I recall having them initiating the conversation in Finnish

[manic juniper]

Those alien Indo-European languages sound funny

[shy summit]

Anyways the US Presidential debate is tonight

[dapper laurel]

But the thing that made me laugh the most was Kik in de kok

[feral river]

Do u know what u have said

[shy summit]

The truth

[dapper laurel]

It sounds so bad

[manic juniper]

Is it another first part or what, how does it even work

[feral river]

The government has censorship over all media capable of reaching a wide audience. This includes television, print media, radio, film, theater, text messaging, instant messaging, video games, literature, and the Internet. The Chinese government asserts that it has the legal right to control the Internet's content within their territory and that their censorship rules do not infringe on their citizens' right to free speech.[3] Government officials have access to uncensored information via an internal document system.

[shy summit]

It’ll be timed

[feral river]

And this is the context from the information you provided

I would say LMAO

What a difference

[dapper laurel]

That castle was so big

[manic juniper]

I guess Germans are to blame for that

[manic juniper]

Germans and Denmark made sure that us Finns wouldn't be able to rise up again

[dapper laurel]

I was sweating after that visit, and sweating in Estonia is not that easy

[shy summit]

Each candidate will get opening statements and individual time to answer questions on policy

[feral river]

@shy summit do u still remember that guy from Tibet ?

[dapper laurel]

With a kik in de kok

[manic juniper]

How does it work? Do they keep offline copies of the censored info or is it akin to a key that lets them access everything?

[manic juniper]

So similar to the Biden vs Trump timed debate?

[shy summit]

Same rules

[feral river]

Well no generally they have an algorithm to filter the information comes out

[manic juniper]

What time is it

[fervent helm]

From the Greek, strategy LMAO

[manic juniper]

Can I watch the live on CNN YouTube? Idk

[shy summit]

I set an event for when the debate is supposed to start

[feral river]

But it’s not being directly administered by government but by certain platforms by private companies following the rule by government

[shy summit]

We’re gonna stream it in P&R

[manic juniper]

I see, thanks

[feral river]

All different platforms have their own system of filters

Like how YouTube filter the racism , terrorism stuff how bilibili filter the anti-government stuff

That’s literally the same thing

But not being operated by government officials

So freedom of speech, that’s shit

[manic juniper]

I need to ask you this, do you know 由你玩四年?

[feral river]

Doesn’t really exist in any place

[feral river]

What’s that

[manic juniper]

Search on YouTube

[shy summit]

This one be crazy tho https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/12/the-ccps-willing-influencers-amplify-state-propaganda-online/

[feral river]

Average Chinese

[feral river]

Well you don’t need to use that narrative

I already explained a lot of times about this issue

[shy summit]

Yeah but others should see it too. Best to guard against disinformation by informing people about such campaigns

[feral river]

Well that’s not even a case

[shy summit]

Much like the Russia attempts as of late

[feral river]

Do you like some CCP propaganda?

[manic juniper]

https://youtube.com/@university_stories

[fervent helm]

How long have you guys known each other here?

[manic juniper]

Some months

[shy summit]

I’ve been here for some time

[feral river]

I don’t just want to spread some bullshit in here like you informing other people for some bullshit

But if you really like it, I can play it in your way

[unique light]

🔵

[feral river]

If you want

[unique light]

Dems do it better

[shy summit]

True

[shy summit]

I have never knowingly and willingly spread disinformation here.

If something is incorrect its because I missed it, and not because my intention is to lie.

[unique light]

The Taoiseach of Sealand supports the Democrats! (I am the Taoiseach of Sealand)

[feral river]

okay then I will show you some real information

[shy summit]

Just know I will check the source given our history.

[feral river]

在中国，宪法确认公民享有言论自由。 但自由是相对的，公民在行使言论自由权利时，不得违反宪法中的其他内容，包括颠覆宪法所规定的国家政权制度；损害宪法所赋予的国家的、社会的、集体的利益或其他公民合法的自由和权利；捏造或者歪曲事实进行诬告陷害；故意传播谣言，扰乱社会秩序等。

In China, the Constitution confirms that citizens enjoy freedom of speech. However, freedom is relative. When exercising their right to freedom of speech, citizens must not violate other provisions of the Constitution, including subverting the state power system stipulated in the Constitution; damaging the national, social, collective interests or the legitimate freedoms and rights of other citizens granted by the Constitution; fabricating or distorting facts to make false accusations; deliberately spreading rumors and disrupting social order, etc.

[fervent helm]

Do you think the internet should be a lawless land?

[shy summit]

Yes, I have no doubt that is the optic story and likely close to what is written on government documents.

[manic juniper]

When the CCP officer hits you with the 为人民服务 stare

[shy summit]

Doesn’t change the fact that despite this claim and likely this legal text, that actions have been taken beyond the implied good stated here.

[feral river]

Aierken Tuniyazi, male, Uygur, born in December 1961, postgraduate of the Central Party School, member of the Communist Party of China. Currently serving as deputy secretary of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Party Committee, chairman of the regional government, and secretary of the Party Leadership Group. He has served as deputy director and director of the party and government work department of the autonomous region, deputy position of the work department of the autonomous region party committee, deputy secretary of the prefectural party committee, commissioner of the prefectural government, member of the standing committee of the autonomous region party committee, and vice chairman of the regional government.

[shy summit]

Textual claims, and actual practice are not the same thing.

[feral river]

the leader of Xinjiang Uyhgur autonomous region, is a Uyhgur

[fervent helm]

I agree.

[feral river]

you like the truth way I play it

I play every way you played

[shy summit]

Yes, and there is still a genocidal practice happening in China.

[dapper laurel]

@thorn lagoon After the edits on hyperborea, I also got the edits on Yakubia

[feral river]

if you enjoy it let's have more

After the so-called "Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act" was introduced by the United States, the United States and other Western anti-China forces put pressure on some companies in the world. On January 27, at a press conference on Xinjiang-related issues held in Beijing, Ilijiang Anaiti, spokesperson for the People's Government of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, responded that some anti-China institutions, organizations and politicians such as the US "Congressional-Executive Commission on China" (CECC), Amnesty International, and British Conservative Party members have publicly put pressure on some multinational companies on the grounds of "forced labor" in Xinjiang, inciting these companies to withdraw their sponsorship of the Beijing Winter Olympics and suspend the use of Xinjiang-related products or related business dealings. Under the coercion of these anti-China forces, some multinational companies have made different choices. Some respect the facts, are not afraid of hegemony, and continue to choose to use Xinjiang-related products. They have not only obtained legitimate interests, but also won the support and praise of Chinese consumers; while some companies have ignored the facts, followed the trend, removed Xinjiang products from the shelves, and suspended trade, which has been firmly resisted by Chinese consumers.

The anti-China forces in the United States and the West have openly put pressure on relevant multinational companies, forcing them to take sides on issues related to Xinjiang, in an attempt to tie these companies to the "anti-China chariot" as cannon fodder. This has seriously violated market rules and business ethics, undermined the stability of the global industrial chain and supply chain, disrupted the international trade order, and harmed the interests of related companies and workers. It is an extremely shameful act. Faced with a complex international environment and pressure from the US government, the best business strategy for companies is to respect facts. Only business decisions based on facts are most conducive to the long-term development of companies. Multinational companies in the Xinjiang-related industrial chain and supply chain are welcome to come to Xinjiang for on-site inspections, make prudent decisions after understanding the real situation, and are willing to share development opportunities with all multinational companies that respect facts and operate legally to achieve mutual benefit and win-win results. (Reporter Wang Shibo, produced by Wu Rui)

btw why we didn't have that in english

[quasi needle]

that is not how freedom of speech works

you either have it or you dont. you cant have some of it and drop the rest

[shy summit]

So why did you forgo mentioning what happens in the Uyghur camps?

[feral river]

this is not how your freedom of speech works

[shy summit]

You mentioned other events surrounding the US’ objections but not that

[quasi needle]

chinese citizens are subjected to a narrative that benefits their government

[feral river]

this is how our freedom of speech works

[quasi needle]

i do not have freedom of speech. i live in england

[shy summit]

Oof

[feral river]

cool, we have freedom of speech I live in China

[quasi needle]

do you live in the prc

[feral river]

we don't need that western fake freedom of speech

[shy summit]

Fake?

[feral river]

yeah ofc

[quasi needle]

proceed and say xi is an atrocious leader on twitter

ill see you in a camp next week

[feral river]

pay me 5000 bucks ?

[quasi needle]

are you afraid to do so

[feral river]

pay it I will send you my bitcoin account

and you will see the messages on my twitter

[quasi needle]

its quite humorous to see those under heavy propagandist views to blame the west of propaganda when they are being directed away from an ethnic cleansing by their government

[feral river]

you wanna have a free service but I don't provide to lol

5000 bucks, deal it or not ?

[quasi needle]

a free service what are you on about

youre asking for an obviously substantiate amount because youre scared to do it

[feral river]

saying what you want to me to say in twitter

5000 USD last offer

[quasi needle]

do you think i care about your offer

[shy summit]

[quasi needle]

freedom is not subject to nitpicking

[feral river]

do you think i care about your bullshit ?

[quasi needle]

you have it or you dont

[feral river]

freedom is not subject to not to pay it

pay it 5000 USD

[quasi needle]

dude i dont care what you care about im mind moggled how brainwashed you are

[shy summit]

I think the point is you’d be taking a substantial risk Mine

[quasi needle]

the point is youre scared to do it

[shy summit]

So I wouldn’t recommend it

[feral river]

dude I don't care what you are care about lmaoooo brainwashed ur

[quasi needle]

keep yapping bro

[feral river]

the point is you wanna do a free serivice I don't provide to

[quasi needle]

hop off xi when youre done

[feral river]

LMAO keep yapping

[feral river]

5000 USD, wait don't you have it ?

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/no-war-in-ba-sing-se-avatar-earth-village-gif-25923233

[quasi needle]

no i am in full time education

[feral river]

im sorry that's so offensive you don't have 5000 USD

really sorry for that lmao

I can't even hold my iPhone 15 I feel so guilty

oh I will got 16 after it was cames out

[quasi needle]

quite hilarious how the one talking about the west being fake decides to blanket their quite frankly disgusting animosity

[feral river]

dude 5000 USD isn't that much for english ?

idk if they are poor

maybe you are poor

[quasi needle]

are you going to keep going on about your offer

[manic juniper]

Wtf is happening

[quasi needle]

is this all you have to say

[feral river]

idk if you refuse to pay it

[quasi needle]

do you not have an actual point

[feral river]

my final offer is 5000 USD

pay it or drop it

[quasi needle]

do you not have an actual argument

[shy summit]

5k USD is 35.6k Won

[feral river]

I have one pay it then

you started this let's go, pay it

[quasi needle]

what did i start

[shy summit]

I think mine missed the point

[quasi needle]

you cant prove you have freedom of speech

[feral river]

you know what did you start why would I freaking care

[quasi needle]

youre a thoughtless moron

[feral river]

who are even you

[quasi needle]

grow up