🧠｜serious-chat

[normal dawn]

how are the pyramids doing?

[whole beacon]

I know more history than ur entire age

[normal dawn]

reality is sour

[ocean tree]

Boiling in this oven called Egypt

[normal dawn]

BAHRAIN

[whole beacon]

Wat word?

[normal dawn]

ohh

[vestal loom]

Yes so that they are specialة نص باستخدام الكاميرا
Therefore, you must sanctify them, for they are the best of human beings and those whom God Almighty has chosen, and let us follow their example, and we follow their example, and worship God as they worship Him. This is a lack of reverence for God, and your saying this word with us is that you do not believe in God and in what was revealed

[whole beacon]

I can't sadly

[ocean tree]

احسن ناس

[whole beacon]

Yet people are not serious

[vestal loom]

But they are the best people in the world that the good choose him they are the nearest peaople from the good

[whole beacon]

Some egyptian, called me old.

Im angry now

[ocean tree]

We don't need to insult people to be serious as someone called @whole beacon

[whole beacon]

U just shut up.

Okay

[ocean tree]

Well, I'm sorry then

[normal dawn]

I'll buy you flowers

[ocean tree]

May I ask how old are you sir?

[whole beacon]

Well sorry too.
Know how to talk properly.

[normal dawn]

21

[thorny steeple]

good morning

[ocean tree]

Okay

[ocean tree]

Good morning sir

[ocean tree]

Nice

[normal dawn]

what abt u?

[thorny steeple]

how are things?

[normal dawn]

Hi Domino, can I get your pizza?

[ocean tree]

Well, 17

[thorny steeple]

no

[vestal loom]

Your glorification of them is a form of glorifying God and glorifying what they brought from God

[normal dawn]

REJECTIONNNN

[thorny steeple]

pizza denied 🚫

[ocean tree]

Have you ever killed a cat?

[normal dawn]

Ohhh u minor

[ocean tree]

But Egyptian

[thorny steeple]

same

[normal dawn]

ya ofc

[vestal loom]

But you can imitate them, follow their path, and do what they do. This is why God sent human beings as messengers so that you can do what they did and follow their path, which is the correct path that will lead you to Paradise

[ocean tree]

Welcome sir, are you Italiano?

[thorny steeple]

no I'm from a country which borders Germany and Belarus

[vestal loom]

You said they are not special and i say that they are special

Are you moslem?

First are you a moslem

[normal dawn]

habibi I found I am gay when I slept with my girlfriend, she smelled like rotten fish

[vestal loom]

Ok they such as any human but they are really special

[normal dawn]

U people 17, which means you are a snack

[thorny steeple]

[normal dawn]

u hot boy? I would fly down to your country for a ons

[vestal loom]

No they are the perfect of the paople

[thorny steeple]

brother stop

it's a serious chat not a predator chat

[normal dawn]

speak gibberish doesn't matter

[normal dawn]

ur place or mine?

[thorny steeple]

[vestal loom]

Ok i advise you to change your picture because i thinked that you are not moslem from your picture

[normal dawn]

u top or bottom?

[thorny steeple]

brother shut up

[normal dawn]

why don't you just let me bend over for you

[thorny steeple]

I see you're proud of urself making other people uncomfortable

disgusting.

[normal dawn]

allah hu akbar

librarian in chat

Please give an insight to us about the research methodology to be used

what happened babygurl

u tell me about the research methodology first

[vestal loom]

I mean the picture you put in your flag is a strange picture

[normal dawn]

the way a research is done

[vestal loom]

Yeah

[normal dawn]

all minors in chat, that's sad

[vestal loom]

Yeah

It is strange

[normal dawn]

brother I from bahrain english little little

my native mauritus so arabic very little

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774042919292108880/1238327580009037904/kotik_nu_ya.gif

[fallow dune]

Hi guys

[normal dawn]

heyyyy

baby boyyyyyyyyyyyy

how is your mommy

?

andy how is your daddyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

!!!!!!!!!!

do you know any 6 and 9s'/\

srsy. borin

so who do u support?

israel or palas

??isint it to old a convo'\

[whole beacon]

Dear Members,

This chat is intended for serious discussions and educational content. Please refrain from indirect or direct insults, demeaning expressions, and ad hominem attacks. For constructive and respectful conversations, avoid unfounded labeling and inappropriate remarks

[feral river]

im sorry but what is that flag ? Gaza province of Israel ?

seems pretty weird that a provincial flag would be more unwaverable than state.

[runic moat]

You forgot the word encroached. Let me help Palestine, which is encroached by Israel.

[unique light]

👌

[graceful valve]

How can I help?

[graceful valve]

I support Turkey

🦃🇹🇷

[median temple]

how's everyone

https://tenor.com/view/ჯოკერი-joker-gif-21710475

[fallow dune]

Mental health is an integral component of our overall well-being, yet it often doesn't receive the attention it deserves. Despite the advances in understanding and treating mental health issues, stigma and misconceptions still persist. This can prevent individuals from seeking the help they need, exacerbating their struggles.

The consequences of neglecting mental health can be severe, impacting every aspect of life from personal relationships to professional performance. Mental health disorders, such as depression, anxiety, and bipolar disorder, can be debilitating, but they are treatable. Access to appropriate care, whether through therapy, medication, or support groups, can make a significant difference.

[manic juniper]

This doesn't even make sense

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774042919292108880/1238327580009037904/kotik_nu_ya.gif

[graceful valve]

They eat this in China

Ask the Chinese girl here if you don't believe me

[median temple]

Now days its has become too common. we don't know who is really depressed and who is just saying for attention.

[ocean tree]

It's a country which been occupied. Looks like you're a child and didn't hear about something called: Occupation or Colonization.

[feral river]

Humm I see there is Hamas occupation on Gaza province of Israel

And muslim colonialism against Jewish state

[ocean tree]

Toddle knows nothing about history. Just search about Isreal and see the declaration time.

[feral river]

I don’t if there is another sovereign state besides Israel in that region

Only state of Israel

And the history you own the land doesn’t mean you own the land right now

Even landlords knows how ownership works

And how it can be changed by guns

[feral river]

Not gonna eat this kitty it barely has nothing to eat

[graceful valve]

It's very thin

How do you cook cats?

[feral river]

And it’s not worth to do it because it also has risk to get sick

We only eat unusual meats in restaurants

It’s 100% safe under government regulations

[graceful valve]

..

[feral river]

Like dogs cats donkey etc.

[feral river]

Idk I never cook that

I never eat cat actually I didn’t try that yet but a lot of donkeys and dogs

Dog hot pot is just delicious as hell

[ocean tree]

Then you're saying that we should surrender to the present case, right? I doubt that you'll apply the same rule if a country colonized China. Which actually happened! And Chinese people fought the British!

And the flag clearly says that the Palestinians are older in this land and have many roots in it.

Unlike the western jews that claimed the ownership and declared it by powder.

[crisp swan]

Messi or Ronaldo?

Which is goat?

[hallow spear]

Hi

[hallow spear]

In my opinion Messi is the greatest player of all time

[crisp swan]

Hmmm.

[haughty forge]

In terms of achievement, Messi is the GOAT. But I prefer Ronaldo over Messi.

[crisp swan]

Hmm.

[storm bison]

sorry bro, i'm not interested in chess

[hot thorn]

Feedback?

My heart ache for the recognition I didn't get,
For the love I didn't feel, for the words left unsaid, For the laughter that could have been.
I spent nights crying hopping You'll look my way,I listened to break up songs and I relate,For me it was about us,Not about lovers but about a kid hoping you'll look his way too.

[whole beacon]

U so bloody oblivious to geopolitics

[median temple]

same

[spring mesa]

What do you guys think about the dark forest theory?

[shy summit]

What’s that?

[brisk swallow]

Does anyone wanna play chess
on lichess.com
some blitz mabye
https://lichess.org/dvDI3Zgd
here is the link if you wanna play
and mabye we can hope on the gaming voice channel to talk while the game and analyse the game afterwards.
tag me if you wanna play

[tired sapphire]

Hello guys, THIS IS NEITHER PALESTINE, OR UKRAINE, OR ISRAEL, BUT IT DESERVES EQUAL ATTENTION AS THEIR COUNTRIES. Yesterday Venezuela had presidential elections which were fraudulent, the population percentages indicate that there are a total of 123% of voters, people who do not exist. Yesterday, many Venezuelans stayed until dawn with bullets and threats defending the witnesses at the table, witnesses who did not want to let them pass and now many are being persecuted. But after the false defeat, now it is different because we have IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE, we have 40% of the letters revealed by the opposition leader Maria Corina Machado, the woman who was arbitrarily disqualified and for this reason we follow Edmundo González, her right hand and really winning candidate, we have videos and witnesses who affirm that nowhere in the country did Nicolás Maduro win, we have videos of ballot box thefts by armed hands of the government. Yesterday, there were deaths, injuries and kidnappings. We need this to reach everyone. We achieve a lot alone, but we also need the international dissemination of audiovisual media. This has already happened in Venezuela, we have already come out of things like this, a long time ago a dictator committed electoral fraud and 17 days later there was a coup d'état. We will be free, help us by spreading the videos, let the world know that this bloodbath is not over!

[shy summit]

Let the courts figure it out.

[desert nebula]

Me

Let's playy

[fallow dune]

Today 99% of people who say they're depressed are just in bad mood. The real depressed person doesn't want to attract attention, they just want to d.ie and forget about everything. This mental disorder can't be cured by motivation or others support or help. Depression can be cured only with suitable medicine and nothing else. Sometimes even medicines can't help and such people just sui.cide

Depression is one of the most terrible conditions of human

[vernal badger]

Iam in depression from last year now I have started the medican

[fallow dune]

How old are you my friend

[vernal badger]

I am 17 but it's our genetic

[crystal sierra]

Hlo

[fallow dune]

Good luck with that my bro

[fallow dune]

Hi

[crystal sierra]

How are you

[vernal badger]

Thanks

[fallow dune]

Not bad not perfect

Average

[vestal loom]

Hello

[vestal loom]

Hello

[livid kettle]

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mannerheim-cigar-smoking-gif-13663252

[shy summit]

Well please understand suitable medicine can mean anything from CBT to SSRI’s depression is not a one size fits all illness.

Depression is very broad a term, as many things factor into it.

[manic juniper]

Usual mental health gatekeeping

[modern aspen]

as someone who has battled depression and suicidal ideation since i was a child, it's not a 'bad mood'.

[shy summit]

It comes in different flavors and levels of severity tho.

[modern aspen]

as does any mental illness or even physical illness

[thorny steeple]

Hi
Im the former Invictus

[lavish finch]

The topic of depression

mood or strategy or illness

[coarse sluice]

Who wanna be friends with me
Dm me or add me
Also I'm learning English because I am beginning in it

[modern aspen]

i'm happy to chat with you and answer questions

[rancid elbow]

Depression exists only during procrastination. Next topic

[formal scaffold]

I think depression is a normal process
It personally goes like this for me, my life is more like a cycle first I make a plan after studying my situation and that plan is made to accomplish few goals, after carrying on with the plan I encounter variables that i prepared for and others that I didn't predict which alters the path I drew for myself, after a while I get a feeling of displeasure if the results isn't the same as I expected before coming up with the plan or I wouldn't have an expected feeling and reaction to the result I wished for, if that happens more than once and it gets piled up, I lose faith in my own planning ability which causes depression for me, I lash out at myself and blame it for the result that aren't always in my palm to begin with, during that I immediately think of an alternative, a change wether its in my planning or behaving ... it has to be a diffrent approach so that I don't have the same failing result and the cycle repeats itself

[modern aspen]

not only is that a lie, it's a hurtful one

[rancid elbow]

I'm speaking from my own experience. Whenever I set my mind on my goal, I feel no depression. When I'm stressed, I know that it's my time to perform.

[swift monolith]

Maybe it happens when people drown in this life and their only goal is to get more things from this life, when they take the life too serious. maybe being crazy is the solution for it. Idk

[sonic lion]

That’s the dumbest statement ever made

And he thinks he ate

[shy summit]

Way to downplay a serious health issue in the world…?

[shy summit]

Your own experience does not speak to the greater whole of the population, nor can you attest to someone else’s experience. I find it to be extremely distasteful having not only weathered the illness myself, but have had my family impacted by it so soundly as to warrant time in psychiatric wards.

The only things you demonstrate with such commentary is not that depression is easily conquered, but your callousness towards others and your inability to exercise sympathy.

[thorny steeple]

Depression is over-diagnosed nowadays because the pharmaceutical industry wants to sell more.
Speaking from my perspective as someone who's been treating it for years

[shy summit]

That is true, that doesn’t make depression nonexistent, or that all cases aren’t genuine.

[thorny steeple]

Of course, mine for instance was (or is) true. But I've seen several people that honestly don't need remedies for that

Why does Sweeden sell too many antidepressants if they're considered happy

[shy summit]

Happiness is not the absence of sadness,

[thorny steeple]

What do you guys think about women empowerment. Like can you define it in simple words?

[sonic lion]

That’s a slogan created by liberal feminism to sell corny t-shirts and crappy films

As Simone stated

[thorny steeple]

Lmao, my english teacher is a feminist. She always gives this kind of shitty topics. Now, I gotta prepare an assignment on this in 500 words lmao

[sonic lion]

You can nail it

You can talk about Foucault’s theory of power

And argue that giving power to women instead of men wouldn’t change anything about society

[thorny steeple]

Yes, can I put it like this that women empowerment is not about giving women the power. It is about giving them a choice if they want to be a homemaker or work as CEO?

What am I supposed to write on the topic women are better than men in every field. Like bro wtf is that topic. What am I supposed to write 😭 ???

[sonic lion]

Wait there. Don’t forget to say that we should end a structure that provides power of a certain group over the other in the first place

[thorny steeple]

Noted.

[sonic lion]

And they face sexism in work too, specially in those male centered jobs

[thorny steeple]

I'll cook something, thanks for the ideas

[thorny steeple]

What should I do about this 😭 ???

[sonic lion]

You’re welcome, good luck!

[sonic lion]

Honestly I would challenge my teacher’s views

I have a good quote to state why women stay in the house

Nothing is that simple yk

Women have a logical reason to be housewives

I would argue not for power, but emancipation

Freedom

And that cannot be done in this system

[thorny steeple]

Sure, I have repeatedly challenged my teacher, and each time she awarded me a D. My entire grade is being destroyed by this instructor, and I'm at my breaking point.

[sonic lion]

Because capitalism is rooted in patriarchy

[sonic lion]

Damn

That’s so sad

[thorny steeple]

I've tried that😭

I mean we can have different views on something but that doesn't mean you can ruin a child's carrer just because your views are not aligned.

[sonic lion]

Absolutely

What she says about feminism?

[thorny steeple]

Nahh, she's very toxic 😭

[sonic lion]

Write something that she would agree

Reinforces her beliefs

[thorny steeple]

Most arguments people use to attack Christianity are either fallacious or hystorical inaccurate

[thorny steeple]

According to her, women are still suppressed. Men should be assigned to the kitchen, and women should labor outside. What kind of sick mentality is that?

[sonic lion]

That’s stupid, it literally does not change the current structure. You can argue that studies concluded that couples who both partners work outside of home are happier

It’s not only good for the relationship, it also puts them in more safety. I mean, women are more susceptible to domestic violence bc they have no control

[thorny steeple]

Noted.

Christianity is the only religion where women are actually seen as holy and have important roles in there. Furthermore, it was under Christianity that women had the most advancements in Europe's history (compare to how they were opressed during Pagan times)

[thorny steeple]

Damn, that's a good point

[sonic lion]

They literally burned women and called them witches

[thorny steeple]

Lmao no

[sonic lion]

I can give you references if you want

[thorny steeple]

Loll the church only condemned these women. They were executed under secular rule. And I want to add this was an exception

[sonic lion]

And seeing women as pure is also detrimental

[thorny steeple]

Yes, please it would help me very much

[sonic lion]

We’re not pure, we’re normal human beings

[thorny steeple]

Exception lmao. Burning a person alive is no exception, it's sick mentality same as toxic feminists

[thorny steeple]

The church fought against heresy (that was growing too much at that time), Aryanism, Catharism...

[muted patio]

But we can't abstract some ideology or something out from the material society it comes from and then take it as the only things that decide a social phenomenon .

[sonic lion]

“only” it was thousands of innocents women

[thorny steeple]

The French revolution alone killed more people than the insquisition itself 😄

[thorny steeple]

Very few compared to other massacres in human's history.
Can you provide me with the exact number?

Your political ideology killed way more (and Idk what that is)

[muted patio]

the Religion has a long history,From the feudal society to capitalist society,it have the different essence in different era,based on the different means of product.

[thorny steeple]

Mutiny cannot be compared to burning women alive.

[shy summit]

Women of learning mind you

[thorny steeple]

The number of women r**ed by the Soviets on the post-WII was was way higher than the number of women killed by the Church

[shy summit]

The church at the time was about maintaining power, and women breaking that mold threatened it. Knowledge is the natural predator of superstition.

Knowlege better yet is the natural predator of systems of abuse

[muted patio]

Oh really?I remember the Soviet Union is the country that legalized Abortion right ,And give the public health services to the woman from working classes.

[thorny steeple]

(I can give provide you with examples of how bad women were seen in Ancient Greece, for instance, and how it improved after Christianity. Same with most European countries)

[sonic lion]

What is my political ideology?

[thorny steeple]

Where are you getting these numbers lmao, can you provide me with an article that has covered this?

[sonic lion]

you mean Athens

[shy summit]

Ideology never killed. But misguided underlearned children prodded along by people in power kill.

[thorny steeple]

That still doesn't mean you can just go around and kill innocent people.

[muted patio]

And Given that your viewpoint you may don't know in the early era of the bolshevilks They also endeavor for Woman's right But they Want the Dedication Of the unity of class struggle and The emancipation of woman.

[shy summit]

I never said could.

I never said should

It was an understanding of the why not a reason to

[thorny steeple]

The Greek world in general. Simply skimming over an Aristotle's book gets you a hint of that

[muted patio]

You can read Their viewpoint in the book Written by Alexandra Colenti

[sonic lion]

Yeah I know, ancient greece was horrible

with women

but specially Athens

[thorny steeple]

The modern era might have given women more rights, I can't deny that. I meant, from the Ancient Times to the Middle Ages, no one it gave women several rights they did not use to have

[sonic lion]

anyway, let’s talk about christianity’s views on women, elaborate on that

let’s talk about the present

[thorny steeple]

And there's a myth that says they accepted homosexuals more than today's world

[thorny steeple]

aye, i can add that lmao

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[sonic lion]

oh yeah I think Foucault addresses that point in history of sexuality

[thorny steeple]

I have a problem with Foucault due to his views on kids

[muted patio]

wait What,I can't get your point.Do you mean in theAncient times to the Middle Ages,religions Do favor in the protect or establishment of Woman's rights?

[sonic lion]

he’s a very controversial figure, not a big fan of his

but his view on power is dope

[thorny steeple]

Yup, Enlightenment too

[sonic lion]

post structuralism is very interesting

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, if you trace a line from 1600 to the Roman era, for instance, women had loads of advancements, especially when it comes to being viewed not as mere objects for reproduction but as important people for the constitution of a family

[sonic lion]

the figure of the mother is merely a creation

they created the myth of maternal instinct

[sonic lion]

calling the labour of creating and taking care innate to women

[thorny steeple]

I would like to disagree with this point. Women did not have loads of advancements and they were subject to the authority of a man.

[sonic lion]

and that puts women like me, who don’t want children, to be judged and dehumanized

[thorny steeple]

From the childhood, this power was in the hands of their father

[sonic lion]

Feminism also were responsible for addressing how r4pe can regularly occur in marriage

And be overlooked

As if it’s the duty of women to please their husbands

In that way, she is an object

[thorny steeple]

Also, women slaves were called ancillae who used to live in inhuman conditions.

[thorny steeple]

Noted.

[sonic lion]

Women are allowed to be sexual without ever having a sexuality

[sonic lion]

Therefore she’s an object

Only to be looked and used

[thorny steeple]

and subject to the authority of a man.

[sonic lion]

Great point. And r4pe is also a war weapon

Men use r4pe to state their power over women, as if they’re belongings to the men of the nation

[sonic lion]

Exactly

[thorny steeple]

Europeans used to kidnap and r*pe competitor countries' royal women, didn't they?

[sonic lion]

The christian guy disappeared lol

[thorny steeple]

Bro got cooked lmao

[sonic lion]

Yeah

Damn… sexism really is the eldest form of oppression

[thorny steeple]

Yes, lmao

[sonic lion]

Studying social sciences is so depressing lol

I was way happier studying space and planets

[thorny steeple]

Nahh, social sciences are so interesting

[thorny steeple]

It's horrible I'm telling you 😭

[sonic lion]

Really?

[muted patio]

yeah

[sonic lion]

At least we can argue online

[thorny steeple]

Yes.

[muted patio]

I see ,But is such kind of phenomenon Still exist when it comes to class of Slave?

[sonic lion]

I would never pursue it because I have no talent for physics

[thorny steeple]

Even tho i'm not an social science student, but i still like to read and take part in arguments.

[sonic lion]

Plus even tho social science is sad, there’s something so beautiful in people fighting together

[sonic lion]

I study something in between social sciences and biological sciences

[thorny steeple]

Good becasue it gets horrible the more you study it 😭

[sonic lion]

Totally

It’s a nightmare

[thorny steeple]

"My enemies enemy is my friend" lmao

[thorny steeple]

Ohh, that's great

[feral river]

Oh yeah we won then what about you guys ? Fighting a pointless war and suffering your own people.

[sonic lion]

Lol yeaa

[muted patio]

I still remember when I was in senior high school,I even can't get half of the marks of all Science Subjects

that's so horrible

[feral river]

Idk geopolitics, all I know is I don’t support a loser

[sonic lion]

you should become self taught

[muted patio]

But things goes reversely When it comes to history, English, Chinese, politics,And other things

[thorny steeple]

I'm already depressed from Science and then comes my English teacher😭

[muted patio]

So I am a typical liberal art student🤓

[sonic lion]

I only started liking science when I started studying for myself

[thorny steeple]

Physics is all about your Imagination

[sonic lion]

but when I need to solve a problem my imagination is wrong 😭

Deduction is so hard dude

[thorny steeple]

Lmao so true, it just fades away 😭

[sonic lion]

Interpreting the evidence is a talent

[thorny steeple]

Yea lmao

[sonic lion]

Me too bro, I just accepted that I like it way more

[muted patio]

🤓WOW

[sonic lion]

“We’re poor but we’re happy”

[muted patio]

Different countries different cultural background, but We all don't like science

[sonic lion]

Lmao

[muted patio]

Another powerful Evidence of The possibility of the unity of the people all over the world🤓

[feral river]

Well is science so damn hard than you think ?

[thorny steeple]

Do you guys have psychology as a subject?

[sonic lion]

Unity for the death of science

[muted patio]

lmao

[muted patio]

Yeah

[sonic lion]

I never had it in school but it’s my major 😭

Do you like it?

[thorny steeple]

It's horrible. As a science student myself, stay away from it 😭 🙏

[feral river]

Hummm idk but I think science is fun anyway

[muted patio]

I hate the subject like Maths From the every fiber of my body

[sonic lion]

I still use my fingers to count

[thorny steeple]

Yea, my friends from arts blabber about it all time. I started reading bout the human brain. That shit is too deep asf.

[sonic lion]

That was too personal 😔

[thorny steeple]

Wait till you get know that physics is an umbrella term 😭

[sonic lion]

There’s something so attractive about being our own object of study

[muted patio]

hahahaha

[thorny steeple]

Yea, found it interesting

[muted patio]

Typical different kinds of Chinese student

[feral river]

Maybe ur right 😂

[sonic lion]

I think they don’t even study liberal arts

[thorny steeple]

It was a fun talking to you guys

[muted patio]

Oh

[sonic lion]

It’s math science math science chess

[muted patio]

In fact I am a Chinese student

That learning label art In My senior high school

And in my college

[thorny steeple]

Either ping me or DM me if there is any political debate going on

[muted patio]

Graduation May means unemployment for us lmao

[sonic lion]

I met a girl here who said she had no choice but study 10h per day bc of the educational system

I felt so bad for her

[muted patio]

Oh

[sonic lion]

Same here lol

[muted patio]

Where are you from,European country America?

[sonic lion]

South America

[muted patio]

.or

[sonic lion]

Brazil

[muted patio]

Oh

[sonic lion]

Unemployment here is always high

Unfortunately

[muted patio]

SO bad

Graduation means unemployment

[sonic lion]

Oh yeah

Thank god I study for intrinsic motivation, otherwise I would be really depressed

[muted patio]

And if you want to get a Job in the government or National Industry,It is impossible if you don't Have a father or relatives Who works in it

[muted patio]

oh

that's great,Far more better than me

[sonic lion]

Don’t you have exams to enter the government jobs?

[muted patio]

I just endeavor for a higher Possibility of a stable work

[muted patio]

nope,I am too young for that

[sonic lion]

Me too bro

[muted patio]

But some crazy parents Think so

[sonic lion]

I would probably study really hard for a “government” job

[sonic lion]

Do you plan on leaving your country?

[muted patio]

Impossible for my families Classical financial situation

[sonic lion]

With a good education you can leave for study/work

[muted patio]

Yeah.

But it ever ask you To be a master of rat race

either*

[sonic lion]

Yeah

[muted patio]

That means to be the slave Physically and mentally

[sonic lion]

We have no scape really

[muted patio]

Or you are a damn The new generation of exploitation classes

[muted patio]

yeah

Accept it or be destroyed

[sonic lion]

Or give your body to the revolution

It’s a charming solution

[muted patio]

Yeah,But that is impossible

How could The historical event happened that in a so called socialist country Who in fact Betrayed its past But now be Destroyed in a revolution just like it do in almost one hundred years ago?

[sonic lion]

I didn’t studied China’s history

But it seems to me that this so called socialism is just another form of capitalism

I go for anarchy all the way but I’m not really sane

[muted patio]

Yeah

The thought has always been criticized

Two hundred years ago, it is Marx and Engels Who criticized it,One hundred years ago it is Lenin and Stalin,Fifty years ago it is Mao ,then All of them Passed away

[sonic lion]

It started good

After Lenin something went terribly wrong

[feral river]

yeah like stalinism, state-capitalism

or socialism with chinese characteristics

exactly it's a combined system between government planned economy and market economy.

we kept 5 year plan and capitalism market at the same time

[muted patio]

And after Mao,Everything changed

the communication between us is so tankie- style()

[feral river]

well Mao don't really good at ruling the state but he's good at to fight against enemies

he's a legendary leader for China and also the founder of People's Republic of China

he bring Chinese people out of authoritarian backward being colonized with full of foreign powers and occupations.

[sonic lion]

Didn’t they slaughter civilians or something

I remember something from contemporary history period

[feral river]

for what 🤣

[sonic lion]

For opposition

Wait a minute, imma research

[feral river]

clear out the opposition political power ?

they did that and it was failed.

[muted patio]

Classical

Branding decry

[sonic lion]

That’s my problem with marxism-leninism

Their views on controlling the people

[muted patio]

From what?

Controlling people?

[sonic lion]

I wish I could recite Chomsky but my book is in portuguese

[sonic lion]

Censorship

[muted patio]

Even in the so called the center of the democratic and the words of freedom ,I mean America

These things still exist.

[sonic lion]

Absolutely

But the point is, it’s not so different in marxism-leninism

[feral river]

hummm idk why some people think a lot of people died in certain period is just because they want to kill those people.

[muted patio]

Maybe you could try to read Lenin's book

[sonic lion]

I tried reading ‘what to do’ (I think that’s the translation) but I need a lot more historical context

I will get back to him one day

[muted patio]

Maybe you can

Try to Read The history about the Russian civil war

[feral river]

about how capitalists lose to communists

🤣

[muted patio]

It is the war that recreated and reinscriped the bolshevilks and The future of soviet Russia and revolution

[sonic lion]

I need good references bro, the only guy in bookshops is this american revisionist professor

I need at least a leftist author

[muted patio]

Maybe The ten days that shock the world byJohn Reed

[sonic lion]

I heard about that one

Imma put it on my reading list

[muted patio]

You could also use the internet

I remember there is English version Internet That has marxist work

But whatever you read.

Please do not trust the yapping video on the YouTube.

[sonic lion]

Don’t worry

I was socialist before I was anarchist

I know how ideological most materials are

[muted patio]

hahaha

[sonic lion]

Btw there’s a site with marxists work for free

It’s called marxists.org

Really good site

[muted patio]

Congratulations

[sonic lion]

Im going to use to read more of Zizek

[muted patio]

WOW, that's a very fashion philosopher

[sonic lion]

Idk if he’s controversial but his takes on cinema are really good

[sonic lion]

He’s a superstar in philosophy

[muted patio]

But in recent days i am Reading about Althussur(If I spell it correctly)

[sonic lion]

What does he writes about?

That’s dangerous lol

[muted patio]

I spell it wrong.oh no

[sonic lion]

I’m reading a lot of Neil Postman to see if I get less addicted to social media

[muted patio]

Marxism Is a kind of anti humanitarianism,He said that

[gaunt bronze]

Gosh, I hate that -ism!

[sonic lion]

Ooh

[muted patio]

And in fact he doesn't mean he wants thousands of slaughters.

[sonic lion]

Was he?

[muted patio]

He just say

If you are a Marxist,Then do not use the conception as "Human"

[sonic lion]

I think you gotta be a bit naïve to be a humanitarian but idk

[muted patio]

That does nothing good for the development of the Marxist theory

[gaunt bronze]

WHAT?!

[gaunt bronze]

I was looking at Ode to Joy for a school project some time ago and this random dude came on YouTube,

[sonic lion]

Wait, are you talking about the concept of human nature, right? Which is a myth

[gaunt bronze]

And he yapped and yapped nonsense on Ode to Joy. 😭

Or it sounded like that, at least.

[sonic lion]

LMAO

[muted patio]

He said this mainly in opposition to the prevailing humane Marxism of the time, such as Lukacs and other Western European Marxists who argued that Marx's 1844 manuscript was a truly Marxist work and shifted the core of Marxist theory from the productive relations of production to the abstract man

[sonic lion]

I need to see this

Zizek is so funny

Ode to joy is beautiful btw

[gaunt bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM9erS90gTE

[gaunt bronze]

Being a musician (ish), I can confirm!

It's just so beautiful, and I'm not even the biggest fan of classical.

[sonic lion]

He’s on the set of clockworking orange

This movie is hella creepy and there’s a lot of beethoven in the soundtrack

Anyway imma watch it

[gaunt bronze]

Oh?

All I remember is him yapping nonsense and being funny in that one.

I love the Ode to Joy a lot so I prefer to have my own interpretation of it, but I've read some interpretations on it, though.

Just amazing!! 💖

[sonic lion]

That’s so interesting, actually

[gaunt bronze]

Sorry to join in but I'm actually curious.

[sonic lion]

“ Abstract man” I wonder what he means by that

[gaunt bronze]

Are you guys talking about Marxism?

[sonic lion]

Don’t be sorry, you’re more than welcome!

Plus you just showed me an amazing take from Zizek lmao

[muted patio]

It's actually a matter of my own words，sorry about that

[gaunt bronze]

Is this on Marxism?

[muted patio]

It's better to say The narration Centered us human，but not the productivity.

[sonic lion]

Yes, he uses the marxist conception of ideology

[gaunt bronze]

Oh, I meant the discussion here. Sorry!

[sonic lion]

But in this take he is analyzing how ode to joy is used in a clockwork orange

[gaunt bronze]

I am unfamiliar on it but I understand communism...

[gaunt bronze]

Clockwork ORANGE?!

Oh, just that.

Thank goodness he did not interpret it negatively!!

[sonic lion]

You never saw/read it?

[rancid elbow]

Some might say I'm being overoptimistic or even ignorant, but that's how someone I know moved away from a loss. No drugs. No prescription. Just keeping your mind preoccupied all the time

[sonic lion]

Yup, we were talking about socialism and marxism

[sonic lion]

It’s a very interesting dystopia about morality

[gaunt bronze]

I never heard of it.

Not a fan of communism or socialism, however.

[shy summit]

And talk therapy is one option, yes. But mere severe cases require intervention at a more fundamental level.

[gaunt bronze]

I am a capitalist, as one should be!

[sonic lion]

You’re kidding! Well, try one day. It’s about a young violent psychopath who is submitted to “become good” via psychological experiment

[gaunt bronze]

That sounds like the end of Nineteen Eighty Four...

Oh my, room 101!

[muted patio]

Another Classical work

[gaunt bronze]

2 + 2 = 5, Winston writes in the dust as the sunlight hits the desk.

[gaunt bronze]

Oh yes. It's very, very famous!!

[muted patio]

Always be reinscriped to anticommunism

[sonic lion]

It’s a very different dystopia, everyone there is corrupted

It’s way more about the nature of violence and morality

[gaunt bronze]

Yes..! But who knows, perhaps not everyone is.

[sonic lion]

And why do you defend this system?

[gaunt bronze]

But to me it just seems like the majority are being controlled. That dystopian piece still reminds me Nineteen Eighty Four's end!

[gaunt bronze]

Because it uses one's own selfishness to provide for society. It is more efficient, and it brings competition and in the process, creativity!

[sonic lion]

Well, it’s hard to tell. Nietzsche argue that morality was created by aristocracy to condemn rebellion and power

[muted patio]

oh

[gaunt bronze]

"It is not the benevolence of the baker or the brewer..." that one has food on the table, but because of their own selfishness.

[muted patio]

For God's sake,Another classical words

[gaunt bronze]

Oh, my.

[gaunt bronze]

Yes! It is really nice, The Wealth of Nations.

[muted patio]

There is nothing nice,At least from my viewpoint

[gaunt bronze]

In the book?

That's fine. I haven't read it...yet!

[muted patio]

Dogs eat dogs,or poor Goes to the hell, but weathy do well

[muted patio]

i mean cap

[gaunt bronze]

This is one major problem w/ capitalism.

It aggregates discontent sometimes & there are problems with mass capitalisation and ofc, human behaviour.

[sonic lion]

Dude I don’t even know where to start

[muted patio]

Me too

[gaunt bronze]

We can start anywhere! In high school they don't teach you a lot about it.

[muted patio]

Looks like that You stand with the great thought In eighteenth century

[gaunt bronze]

I'm always open to re-evaluation, ofc.

Capitalism is not perfect but out of all the horrible systems it is the least horrible.

[muted patio]

We support or Attack thought or A social system Just based on morality

But Two hundred years have passed Since then

[gaunt bronze]

Wait what?

[sonic lion]

I don’t see how capitalism brings creativity tho… when I look at ancient civilizations and smaller cultures I see an abundance of creative work and ideas. Plus, I would argue that competition is not as efficient as cooperation

“The money machine eats creativity and sh1ts quantity”

[gaunt bronze]

Those civilisations stood for a very, very, long time and even then, what were they able to produce? Compare those civilisations to modern societies and how much more inventions are coming out.

[gaunt bronze]

Cooperation is part of competition.

It's not one person against another, it's groups against groups.

But when you're cooperating entirely it just doesn't work; it's harder to specialise and it's just difficult to see how so much unity would be beneficial. What would the motivation be even?

[rancid elbow]

Seeking outside help surely has its own place. That being said, depression is rather an internal conflict that ought to be solved by the individual themselves. Self-analysis and common sense are all you need to possess to efficiently fight it.

[muted patio]

But now it is 2024,Almost two hundred years since the communist manifesto And other Theory That prove the rule That capitalism Is going to the doom,Just as it destroyed the feudalism.

[gaunt bronze]

Look at our capitalist countries!

The countries w/ the highest quality of life are all capitalist.

[muted patio]

The Feudalism last for hundreds of years,As a more energetic system,Capitalism will last far more long than It's Predecessor

[shy summit]

It is internal, and one need not medicate themselves forever. In such circumstances the medication is a crutch to be used until the body is healed enough to stand on it’s own and relearned how to walk. Therapy and medication.

But we shouldn’t downplay any aspect or treatment.

We can however see the overmedication issue as a problem.

[muted patio]

And the globalization of capitalism,Which just accomplished For less than fifty years,So from this aspect there is still a long life for the system.

[sonic lion]

I mean, soviet union only last a few decades and they made huge progress compared to capitalist countries. Their inventions are just unbelievable, I don’t even know who decided they didn’t beat USA in cold war

[gaunt bronze]

Globalisation got a bad name, sadly, but in the second run the ppl who were left out should be included!

[feral river]

I would say the cooperation based on high centralized management with selfless contribution for long-term is not possible and its stability can't compare with high stablized capitalist under the rule of law

[gaunt bronze]

They definitely didn't win: they collapsed.

[sonic lion]

And creativity in capitalism is saturated and almost rare. Everyone is a copy

[gaunt bronze]

I tell you, a dictatorship will gets things done much faster than a democratic regime.

[feral river]

everything will collapse once you have made a mistake that everyone follows you

that would be catastropic

[gaunt bronze]

But a democratic regime is more stable and when you bring capitalism w/ it, it's still more successful.

Look at the quality of life in the Soviet Union.

[muted patio]

Where is successful?

[feral river]

to be specific that's not a dictatorship but an authoritarian rule

[gaunt bronze]

The economic and personal freedoms that were so limited..!

[muted patio]

So called modern life of a capitalist democratic nation is based on the bloody exploitation of the slaves in the third world And the labour

[gaunt bronze]

Was it not a dictatorship?

It essentialy was. There was one supreme leader.

[sonic lion]

Democracy under capitalism is almost a myth. Government only exists to protect private property and they control the means of communication too

Manipulation is not democratic

[muted patio]

You can see the tranquil life of a Little citizen,Is based on the death of thousands of hundreds of people in Africa or other place

[gaunt bronze]

They protect private property but they make capitalism more fair (or they should, at least) and protect people.

[muted patio]

And,Just as the Marxism set,Every society has its Counterpart in ideology,So do democracy freedom the protection of a private Property

We can say well maybe five hundred years ago when the kingdom and the king still alive in the most part of the world, they are progressive.

[gaunt bronze]

That is happening less now but this was a huge problem.

[muted patio]

Oh really?In fact from my viewpoint, nothing changed

[gaunt bronze]

The fact is, however, slavery is inefficient and it's horrible and absolutely disgusting but the ppl back then were too stupid to realise.

[sonic lion]

Protect who? They slaughter people

And let them die

[gaunt bronze]

It has transformed, yes, but there are much more human rights and liberties than there were before.

[rancid elbow]

I mean, we can keep crying about how harsh life is or utilize that time to mitigate it.

Today's scummy state of medicine is another conversation.

[gaunt bronze]

Compare the human rights and liberties from now and the pass; you should compare the quality of life and the persecution of those who continue to abuse others.

Ofc, there's still a lot of work to do.

[sonic lion]

“Back then” there is slavery happening now in Bangladesh, Egypt, India, etc

[muted patio]

Although the people in Africa get their independence with their blood to fight against the western Colonist，But in today, most country of Africa has hugely affected the boss political and economical，By the largest Empire.

[gaunt bronze]

That is true. I was focusing on European slavery, and it's still disgusting, but compared to back then, it's a lot less.

Even then, I've read the Gov. of India is trying to stop it (as they should) but I'm not sure if it's a direct outcome from capitalism.

[sonic lion]

The point is that capitalism needs cheap labour, they can’t survive without exploitation

[gaunt bronze]

They're doing better thanks to capitalism.

[gaunt bronze]

You certainly can survive without exploitation and cheap labour. Look at modern corporations, for example.

[muted patio]

And I also want to say so called human rights ，I don't care about it,The bourgeois Always replace their own interests with the whole.And you seem to ignore that It is the capitalist globalization rule That makes the slaughter in the Africa in the Asia in the South America

[gaunt bronze]

It's an unfortunate outcome, that's true, but that's why there's governments and democracy and it should or will change for the better.

[sonic lion]

Well, the textile industry certainly isn’t

[muted patio]

Even the France,A relatively weak capitalist colonial empire,Commented bloody Crimes in the North Africa And Vietnam

[gaunt bronze]

I did not deny or ignore it, but a lot of ppl who support capitalism don't support that, but that horrible history is changing for the better and it's happening less now.

[muted patio]

So the so called human rights and progress under the capitalism,To these countries, people is Nothing more than a sarcasm

[gaunt bronze]

It's sometimes satirical! Although, it does a lot you see.

Look at how much progress has been made because of capitalism!

[sonic lion]

But the government doesn’t work for us. That’s the reality. It works only for the bourgeoisie because it’s created for them in the first place

[muted patio]

Yeah, you can say Well, everything in the capitalist society is changing is going to the better ,But who makes that?Did the capitalist were committed the improvement Simply because they find theirDivine conscience To theSuffering neighbours？

[gaunt bronze]

Education, specialisation, creativity, innovation, etc. The mass exploitation and colonisation was horrible, but it is clear that now modern economic powerhouses don't want that.

[muted patio]

Of course not

[gaunt bronze]

And they realise now it was most cruel and horrible and that they're changing for the better, or at least trying to.

[feral river]

the leader that decides everything and a leader that decides somethings and nominate someone to do things under his administration is different

[gaunt bronze]

A lot of change, but one thing is that in these democratic societies people began to realise how awfully cruel that was.

[gaunt bronze]

I searched up its meaning and practically all of them match up w/ calling it a dictatorship.

[muted patio]

The health services in Britain is the result of the workers movement，The Keynesian myth also became a myth after the Second world War, when Soviet Russia, the first country in the world to use a widely planned economy, managed to save most of its people from the economic crisis.In fact, it is not the capitalist themselves improving themselves ,It is they are changing the ways they rule To keep their crown last for thousands of years to the forever.

[gaunt bronze]

Sorry, I do not follow.

[gaunt bronze]

They do, or at least they should.

In a free and democratic society, which itself is not perfect, will tend to work for the people.

[sonic lion]

Education? - it never costed more to have a degree and it has never been so useless for employment.
Inovarion ? - I see a bunch of useless junks of technology that we don’t even need and only keeps us more and more isolated and lonely and more suitable to manipulation.
Creativity? - Every product seems like a joke, style over substance

[gaunt bronze]

Compare that to a communist regime which is a dictatorship basically, an oligarchy, inevitably.

[muted patio]

And this progress is limited, pale and ludicrous, and when the banner of progress violates or exceeds the limits of the Bourgeois, it is ruthlessly erased. We all remember how Chile's leftist president Allende was overthrown by a U.S.-backed military coup.

[sonic lion]

Communism doesn’t even have a state

[gaunt bronze]

Education is still important. There are problems w/ technology (but it's still innovation at the end of the day) but that's why we have government to create policies and regulations. It is still, creativity.

Look at all the videos you see on social media, what they're able to share and do is because of capitalism!

You, here, being able to express yourself is because of capitalism.

[gaunt bronze]

I do remember that, and that is very problematic and undemocratic!!

I remember reading there was regret on that decision, and it is a failure of government, no doubt in that.

[muted patio]

And what is your concept of a dictatorship? Nothing more than the ideological waste of American imperialism. In fact, capitalism itself is a huge dictatorship. Just to a different degree and under different guise. There was the so-called democratic government of Roosevelt or Thatcher, which was so keen to repress the slaughter of workers and to take milk from their children as the fruit of their struggle, and there was Nazi Germany, which was in bed with the bureaucrats of capitalist Germany. This unabashed state apparatus, now often considered a dictatorship, took the lives of tens of millions of people.

[sonic lion]

You’re seeing only the surface. Yes, technology is fascinated. But what those videos mean? What are they telling? Are they keeping us better?

[gaunt bronze]

But capitalism tends to head to the betterment of society.

[sonic lion]

Capitalism is keeping us so unhappy and burnout and all we have to express is pure sadness and depression and pessimism

[gaunt bronze]

I cannot tell you. It is still clearly creativity and innovation, all those new inventions! Consider all the science reports or essays or cool videos! All those skills and them being able to share is thanks to capitalism!

[feral river]

so you think someone decides everything like it's literally above everything he can do anything he want is as same as the leader that only gives instruction and having power to nominate someone to do the job.

is it the same ?

[gaunt bronze]

How is capitalism a huge dictatorship?

Nazi Germany was a terrible fascist regime. You saw the worst of humanity there.

[gaunt bronze]

It is not the same, but I'm not sure if I agree w/ your definition of a dictatorship (what is it, btw).

[muted patio]

It is， based on the capitalist ways of production.The capitalist establish the framework of Policy.But one of their most important goal,Is to prevent the working class to liberate themselves.

[sonic lion]

That’s debatable. Think all the research that is not invested because a few group of people who decides what’s valuable don’t see the use of it. Think all the pure research that is discounted because it’s not applicable

[feral river]

I think the second one is not a dictatorship but it's an authoritarian rule

[gaunt bronze]

I am very happy and it seems like most people are happier than they were a long time ago, and healthier, and safer. There are societal problems, sure, but these can be managed.

[feral river]

both are authoritarian but one is totalitarian and another one is just authoritarian

[muted patio]

And if you willing to read more Historical materials about now the German,You will find that This country is not the kingdom of the insane people,But a bureaucratic country Cooperated By ideology culter And Bureaucrats,Which is,The lifeline of the capitalism country.

[gaunt bronze]

Why do you believe that? Yikes! I'm hiring a new Secretary of State. Their thought shall be free, but may I note (actually, no, may not note) that I'll be holding a gun to their throat and plenty of spies..!

[sonic lion]

Very well stated

[gaunt bronze]

I'm having trouble understanding. What do you mean by its a bureaucratic country?

Even modern Germany has annoying bureaucrats, tbh.

[muted patio]

But,Could they, could the regime,Survive even in one day without all the bureaucrats?

[gaunt bronze]

Where did you read that to get that definition?

[feral river]

humm what are you talking about

[muted patio]

Maybe the German will be a huge Free territory without government

[gaunt bronze]

Just a funny analogy to your comment.

[sonic lion]

So good talking to you guys, it inspires me to study more. Anyway, it’s really late and I got to sleep. Goodnight!

[gaunt bronze]

I have no clue.

[feral river]

seems pretty funny but doesn't make any sense

[gaunt bronze]

Goodnight!!

[muted patio]

GOOD NIGHT

[muted patio]

You could have a guess，If some day you wake up, there's no Policeman, no army，No officers,How could the country will be?

It will be in a chaos Isn't it?

[gaunt bronze]

Let me clarify for you. You differentiate someone deciding everything and is above everything from someone who just gives instructions and has the power to nominate someone. In my analogy I use the SoS (bc it's American and you get the connotation of democracy or capitalism) and say that I appointed them, as if I was president, but then I added the twist which would happen if the first part of your comment applied: a gun to their throat and spies all around.

[gaunt bronze]

Surely it will.

Chaos. There would be no order without some government.

[muted patio]

So you can understand why a bureaucrat is a lifeline of a capitalist country

[gaunt bronze]

Some form of government, even if you remove that term, "government", will happen.

Anarchism always leads to some hierarchical structure or inevitable "government."

[gaunt bronze]

I can see that, and government is important.

[gaunt bronze]

So might you differentiate the two?

A SoS being hired by "[a] leader that only gives instruction and having power to nominate someone to do the job" and then adding the twist where "someone decides everything like it's literally above everything he can do anything he want[.]"

[muted patio]

If there is no bureaucrats to commit Oppression And something,The political order of capitalism will be ruined,If there is not ideology, state machines,People's thought well in chaos .Anti capitalist ideology will In prosperity. It will surely Effect The economic order.

[gaunt bronze]

Your assumption is that all of them commit oppression and making it seem like all of them are bad and then making it so they all disappear..!

[feral river]

you assume they got a gun on their throat and spies all around

[gaunt bronze]

That's wiping out all the good and bad. It's like saying if I have a piece of cheese that's a bit molded, let me remove all of it. There's no more bad cheese!

[gaunt bronze]

I did not, because it is my analogy, where I had that power.

[feral river]

that doesn't really happen in most authoritarian nations besides Soviet Union

[gaunt bronze]

Even then, you shouldn't have taken it that literally..!

If it isn't a gun, it's some form of bribery or control or forced loyalty.

Take, for example, your own country: China!

Omg, that reminds me when Biden called Xi Jinping a "dictator." 😭

[feral river]

isn't that obvious everyone follows order even the leader will do unlike he can just bypass it

that's not dictatorship

[muted patio]

I don't want to say, yes, all the officials or the police, they are bad, they are fuckers, and they have to be killed, but what they are doing is actually maintaining a regime that is hostile to the working people and continues to oppress them politically and exploit them economically, and this regime is in the hands of the bourgeoisie who are hostile to the working people and exploit and oppress them economically. Nor does it mean that all the rich or the comfortable are bourgeois. Society is made up of different groups, but the material activities of the different groups are ultimately transmitted to only two levels - the bourgeoisie and the proletarians.

[gaunt bronze]

What?

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[onyx hazel]

Agreed

https://tenor.com/view/school-shootings-america-america-school-shootings-school-shootings-gif-9077111781363553974

Truth hirts

[gaunt bronze]

They're maintaining a country yes, and you assume that it's hostile and that it continues to oppress and do so much bad (that's what we're debating here), and your assumption that there are only two classes..!

[gaunt bronze]

It's unfortunate, but that really isn't capitalism's fault but how silly the U.S. Government is at managing gun policies.

[muted patio]

An individual's thought or behavior is ultimately determined by his social status. I certainly do not rule out that a dutiful policeman is a good father at home, but his social status - the police force determines that if he does his duty dutifully he will be on the opposite side of the exploited, and objectively we have to knock him down and destroy him, but not kill him.

[onyx hazel]

It is

[gaunt bronze]

If you may note, I'm sure there's capitalist countries at the very bottom. 😉

Omg that emoji- I meant to type "; )!"

[gaunt bronze]

How so?

[onyx hazel]

Capitalism is the main problem of this

saying that the government is the problem is something repetitive

[gaunt bronze]

This means what: "the police force determines that if he does his duty dutifully he will be on the opposite side of the exploited, and objectively we have to knock him down and destroy him, but not kill him."

[onyx hazel]

If you analise, all the governments aren't enough

[gaunt bronze]

I am asking, why

!

[onyx hazel]

Because capitalism just works exploiting workers

[muted patio]

It is his social identities determines Who he is

[gaunt bronze]

It is clearly the problem here. You can see the gatekeeping, the bills not passing, or the obstruction of justice on this. Then, when you do see those same policies pass in different countries, you see those rates drop and drop and drop.

[gaunt bronze]

How does that relate to gun violence? Or how that relates to a man buying a gun and going to shoot random ppl for no reason?! You apt to say, I am guessing, because capitalism invented the gun, and that's why..?!

[onyx hazel]

Bruh, the things can get better for you if the government changes

[gaunt bronze]

His job, yes, which he joined because he has a passion for.

[gaunt bronze]

Exactly, AND IT CHOOSES NOT TO!

It chooses not to change and limit gun policies. That's exactly why those gun rates are so high.

[muted patio]

Of course if he is a labour may be we can be a very good friends，But if he still waving his Pistols On the street，And Objectively serve For the government which was controlled and served for the capitalism and I , a labor want to get emancipation,Now we are stand on the reverse Standpoint

[onyx hazel]

Everything that is profitable in capitalism is beneficial for the bourgeoisie

[gaunt bronze]

He legally must serve the government, but law is not everything; sometimes even if the law says something, a police officer might break it because he still has humanity in him. The law might even change after.

[muted patio]

Yeah, maybe I can punch his face，But if he know what he is doing and do not Serve for the capitalism，Even better ，he Understand and even joined us,Maybe we are brother now.

[gaunt bronze]

The middle class?

[onyx hazel]

what?

[gaunt bronze]

You can't punch his face, legally. He doesn't need to serve capitalism bc he is serving the government. I'm not sure what this is even about, tbh.

[gaunt bronze]

The bourgeoisie, is it the middle class?

[onyx hazel]

No, the bourgeoisie is the rulling class

[muted patio]

Yeah, now you are reached the different part of the Super structure .

But now I must take a sleep

[onyx hazel]

Middle class are workers

[muted patio]

Good Afternoon guys

[gaunt bronze]

Oh, my apologies. Is there even such a thing?

[gaunt bronze]

It's 12:57 a.m. here and I should probably sleep too. 😭

[onyx hazel]

What do you mean by "such a thing"?

[gaunt bronze]

A "ruling class."

[muted patio]

For your health,You had better Sleep

[feral river]

I’m saying the dictator you have said is a board term even it can include some administrative duties that did not directly involve the decision or like I have said nominate someone to do it, isn’t that obvious almost every government have a head that nominate people to do their job ?

[gaunt bronze]

Ofc. That's what I plan on doing in 5 min. Sleep well!!

[onyx hazel]

Like, are you asking if the bourgeoisie is the really problem??

[feral river]

It’s just like you are saying oh you are the leader you decides something so it’s dictatorship

[muted patio]

[gaunt bronze]

Yes, but that's not what I was saying or what my analogy was on. You might've misinterpreted it.

[gaunt bronze]

No, if it is a thing or not, because I don't believe in it.

[gaunt bronze]

Bye!!

[onyx hazel]

Believing or not, it exists

[gaunt bronze]

There needs to be more context here.

[onyx hazel]

Our society is divided by social classes

[gaunt bronze]

A dictator is someone with extreme powers. They're above the law or whatever authority there is basically entirely, and they have total power. Usually there's no way to remove them either.

[feral river]

What if the law is allowed such a leader not above the law or something you said like total power

[onyx hazel]

Also they pretend to be a democracy

https://tenor.com/view/america-patriotic-eagle-usa-patriotism-gif-9438241

[feral river]

The law has defined some power goes to certain person

Was that dictatorship ?

[gaunt bronze]

That is not a dictatorship.

But there needs to be more context, ofc.

[feral river]

Then just like as I said that’s not above the law

[gaunt bronze]

What powers, for how long, and were they elected?

[feral river]

So that’s authoritarian rule

[gaunt bronze]

Yes, but the Soviet Union was a dictatorship.

You're saying the leader didn't have basically total power & wasn't above the law?

[feral river]

Power for nominate government officials, power to involve government matters, power to control the military, power to ratify the policies

[feral river]

It was

[gaunt bronze]

If the law says they have total power then they have total power.

[onyx hazel]

How so not? Stalin took power to himself and persecuted opposition

[gaunt bronze]

The law would be under him.

Or her.

[gaunt bronze]

I did not say that. @feral river said that the Soviet Union was not a dictatorship or something like it was more specifically authoritarian.

[gaunt bronze]

Yes, yes! That was my point all along.

[feral river]

Find something I said Soviet Union is not a dictatorship

[gaunt bronze]

Is or isn't?

[feral river]

All I’m saying is there is another term called authoritarian rule to define the leader have the power to do a lot of things to get involve in certain government matters not only just the dictatorship that determines everything

And I didn’t really say Soviet Union is not a dictatorship

Actually it is

[gaunt bronze]

Yes, but there's nothing that says it's "technically authoritarian."

[gaunt bronze]

Yes, the Soviet Union was authoritarian too but there's nothing, like I said, that makes it "technically authoritarian" and not "technically a dictatorship." Technically is such an ambiguous word, imo. Should be avoided.

[feral river]

The example you gave out is a technically authoritarian which is my home, China

[gaunt bronze]

What example?

The analogy I made?

[gaunt bronze]

I never understand "technically" bc it's too ambiguous. I would really change the wording so it's easier to understand what you're trying to say.

[onyx hazel]

But capitalism is in fact huge dictatorship

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[gaunt bronze]

But I'm happy we arrived at the same conclusion: the Soviet Union is a dictatorship.

[feral river]

Not surprised but a successful dictatorship I would say

[thorny steeple]

We born in dictatorship of parents,we live under dictatorship of money and die in dictatorship of diseases.

[gaunt bronze]

Oh, that was f/ what happens.

[gaunt bronze]

WAIT A SECOND....

[gaunt bronze]

China is a dictatorship.

You can describe it as authoritarian too, ofc.

Your Constitution itself describes it being a dictatorship:

https://english.www.gov.cn/archive/lawsregulations/201911/20/content_WS5ed8856ec6d0b3f0e9499913.html

Article 1. The People’s Republic of China is a socialist state governed by a people’s democratic dictatorship that is led by the working class and based on an alliance of workers and peasants.

It continues to use the word "dictatorship" throughout the passage.

[onyx hazel]

Exactly, the police just exist to serve the rulling class. The argument of "communist want violent revolution" doesn't make any sense, because if we want to build a new system that works against the bourgeoisie, then the bourgeoisie will react towards us with violence. Not to mention EVERY system needs revolution to be built

[gaunt bronze]

I should sleep tbh, but my mind has not been changed.

At the end of the day, capitalism is why you are here.

[onyx hazel]

both USA and China are capitalist dictatorships

[gaunt bronze]

Oh!

Well, I disagree. I have to go now btw.

It was nice talking and even if we disagree I’m happy we were nice & still considered our thoughts! ; )

Perhaps one day you or me will realise one of us is wrong!

[onyx hazel]

Imagine if we were in slavery and a defender of it said:

"At the end of the day, slavery is why you are here."

You're literally complaining about people not being satisfacted with this system.

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_democratic_dictatorship?wprov=sfti1#

This would be helpful

Dictate by people, what a dictatorship

[dapper laurel]

But in the end who cares, if a dictatorship works

Many dictatorships have worked throughout history, and it was normal, today we want to live in a false democracy

And we want to delude ourselves that there is democracy

But, in reality, democracy is like communism, it can never work perfectly

[onyx hazel]

communism is too high to reach

[muted patio]

How nihilistic

[dapper laurel]

When it comes to hypothetical perfection, nihilism is a must 😂

[ocean tree]

Did you win immediately? Let me remind of the Opium Wars you lost against the british. Let us assume we're there now, why didn't you surrender to the present case? Because it's your historical land and you've a historical right in it. Why can't you apply the same to Palestine? Outright contradiction.

[muted patio]

I can't understand that,but seems you stand before the Enlightment

[dapper laurel]

[feral river]

That’s not because we are historically in it but because we are the most powerful regime and nation ever throughout the history in the region of China, even British came here and fight a war against us and even they win they still can’t divide our nation

[muted patio]

?OMG

I feel it necessary to state that not all Chinese are like this

[feral river]

All I can applied on Palestine is a proxy state of Iran fight against Americans Israelis and Saudis and they don’t really care the Palestine and the people who recognize themselves as Palestinian

[muted patio]

A little chauvinism

[feral river]

We are the most powerful state in that region throughout the history even the time we have little connection with empires in Middle East we still dominated the region and established our rule and order

That’s why our name is 中国(China) not because we are exporting China so we are so called China but 中国 means the state in the center of the world.

[muted patio]

So?

Is there any connections.?

[feral river]

You must heard of Silk Road

The protectorate of west region

[muted patio]

yeah

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road?wprov=sfti1

[muted patio]

but is there any connections between Empires and me?

[feral river]

Idk maybe

[muted patio]

所以你为啥要说这么一堆小粉红似的话来

[feral river]

没为什么，不是有人谈巴勒斯坦历史和中国历史吗，非要说中国打英国人跟巴勒斯坦打以色列一样

[muted patio]

一摊烂账

[feral river]

我说你巴勒斯坦是什么，

中国又是什么

幽默

小粉红就算了吧，刚从日本回来

[feral river]

Hummm you must mean that the the more distribution of the wealth and power to proletariat they got the more communism they close.

[thorny steeple]

Hi Chinese

[feral river]

But I don’t think the proletariat really deserve to have more wealth because they did some simple work

[muted patio]

这是什么话

Totally Reactionary and anticommunist standpoint

[noble niche]

And he names it advanced words

[feral river]

I’m a freaking capitalist-nationalist

[cerulean sleet]

hello random people on the internet
I think we need to solve islamophobia here
Me and my dear homies @thorny steeple @waxen oyster want to debate

[feral river]

I only have one question

[waxen oyster]

ISLAMOPHOBIA IS A SERIOUS ISSUE TGHAT IS BEGNG DEVELOPED IN RECENT CHILDREN

[feral river]

is islamophobia as same as antisemitism

🤣

[waxen oyster]

No

[feral river]

no ? why is it

[waxen oyster]

Because it's not

Islam is not for only Arabs

[feral river]

hate towards muslim is different with hate towards jew

[waxen oyster]

jew?

You mean hebrew?

Semitism is just using a language that got from Sam

[feral river]

hate towards the people who believe in Islam is different with hate towards the people who believe in Judaism

is it ?

[waxen oyster]

Judaism != Semitism

[cerulean sleet]

how do you think it is the same?

[waxen oyster]

You are using it completly wrong here

[cerulean sleet]

↑

[feral river]

antisemitism = hate towards Jew

is it correct ?

[thorny steeple]

arabs are semitic

Assyrians are

Chaldeans

[feral river]

ah so they called semitic ?

[thorny steeple]

too many ethnic groups

[cerulean sleet]

nope, semitism has nothing to do with religion

[waxen oyster]

Not a Religion Problem

[thorny steeple]

They are Semitic People, Media just focuses on Jews

[waxen oyster]

Jews are not Semitic

🗣️

[cerulean sleet]

They're mostly from europe yes

[waxen oyster]

Hebrew people are

[thorny steeple]

the religion, no
the ethnic, yes

[waxen oyster]

mostly

[cerulean sleet]

But that's another topic

[feral river]

oh thank you for replenish the definition but anyway all I'm asking which is hate towards people who believe in Islam as same as hate towards people who believe in Judaism ?

because you said islamophobia

[thorny steeple]

see, well its almost yes.
but the terms are being abused and used in without any reason

like, if u did anything

to jew, even if u r right

u r hating them

that's overuse

nowadays, if u don't like Israel for what THEY do, you're antisemitic

[feral river]

no all I'm thinking is some people thinks islam is bad, hate islam or some negative emotions towards islam and people who believe in islam is as same as some people thinks judaism is bad, hate judaism.

[cerulean sleet]

yep, islanophobia is when you're oppressed because of your religion

You can't maintain your own practices, or just burn alive because of your religion
Big example: france

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I'm with you with this part.
I'm just pointing out the abuse of the term usage.

[feral river]

well that's a bit board than you think I still think if you don't like their actions you hate their state is pretty normal but hate towards people because they are holding some special attributives like religion or race something is clearly discrimination.

even for me I'm holding some terrible impression on muslims or typically people who believes islam because of my experience of conversation and communication with them.

for example the problem of religion, war, or what do they think about the war and how do they affect other people.

[thorny steeple]

I See, so its the beliefs of them

if you're disagreeing with them, that's normal.
We just want some respect towards us, nothing more.
like do not deal with us specially

[feral river]

yes it's the belief of them that's no problem but changing the society based on their belief is what I'm opposing.

sharia law in Britain, annex Israel, independence Xinjiang

[thorny steeple]

oh,you mean Shari'a Law

[feral river]

that was ridiculous and unacceptable.

[thorny steeple]

well

if the majority of people is Muslim

isnt that their right to decide wether to apply it or not?

[feral river]

well yes if it's fit on the current government body under the rule of law and it regulated that you can apply it, ofc you can do

[thorny steeple]

fyi, Shari'a does include non-Muslims rights to do their own beliefs

see Constitution of Medina

[feral river]

yes but a different system I would say if what if they don't want to apply it

[thorny steeple]

there were Muslims, Jews, Christians and Pagans

[cerulean sleet]

why wouldn't they?

[feral river]

you may ask why would they because for me I'm living in current system which is not sharia law, and my life is so damn good why would I change it

you must convince them to apply your law isn't it

[thorny steeple]

@feral river could you read it and tell me the problem of it for Non-Muslims?

[feral river]

well that's what you guys want not us, why would I know that ?

you guys are promoting it not me

why you think I have to adopt your ideology for no reason

[thorny steeple]

Shari'a prevents things like intrests in Banks for example, is it good?

[cerulean sleet]

It's not an oppressing law as you may think
france is more oppressive imo, you can't even wear a hijab which is required for muslim women

[thorny steeple]

because you are speaking as such that you're a victim in that system.

[feral river]

not so good in my persepectives, interests in bank used for adjust state economy and it clearly has benefits

[feral river]

I'm not but I just want to know what's the reason that you must enforce your belief on other people ?

because that's your belief ?

[thorny steeple]

so, how did Islamic countries rise upon Christian nations while they don't have these benefits ?

[cerulean sleet]

Islamic empires had its own working economy, we didn't know about the current system yet and we were one of the richest

[feral river]

that's what you should ask yourself isn't it ?

[thorny steeple]

It's like the constitution of the state, are you the one who drafted it or the state that made it?

[feral river]

we too, Chinese empire rise and dominated the east asia for thousand of years but we didn't promote such thing did we ?

did we export revolution abroad ? communism

[feral river]

yeah but most state doesn't adopt this and you guys want to adopt it in other state is the problem I'm asking

they are working properly based on current system why would they adopt you guys system ?

[thorny steeple]

what about Taoism?

[feral river]

we dont even believe Taoism in here.

[thorny steeple]

because china is secular state now

[feral river]

well we are a state adopted separation between religion and politics for all the time almost

[thorny steeple]

well, as i said, if the majority are muslim, then they would want to adopt it, what's the problem?

[feral river]

based on rule of law and system of election and nomination, no problem as I said earlier

[thorny steeple]

Why then killing Uyghurs in East Turkestan?

[thorny steeple]

💀 then there is no problem.

[feral river]

you can see the map and you find nothing about East Turkestan

only Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region

[cerulean sleet]

Chinese propaganda tbh 💀

[thorny steeple]

literally they abusing Muslims there

[waxen oyster]

Don't get me started about Uyghur Muslims

[feral river]

oh really ? what about Hui Chinese they are muslims and they live in other places in China too but why they are living good.

[cerulean sleet]

yeah, that's what's oppressive, not sharia law sir

[feral river]

I live in China I have some Hui Chinese friends believe in Islam and there is no problem with that

we also respect their religion and practices

[thorny steeple]

I'm specifically talking aboug Xinxang region for a reason

they are turkic

got invaded

[feral river]

Xinjiang is part of China, it's an autonomous region of China.

[thorny steeple]

slayed

[feral river]

all the time

[thorny steeple]

East Turkestan raised a revolution against China, why they didn't make the poll system and make the people choose if they want to speerate or not?

[feral river]

after the establishment of People's Republic of China, there is only one government in Xinjiang which is People's government of Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region

[thorny steeple]

why they killed thousands?

[feral river]

did you see what did I said ?

there is only one government in Xinjiang which is People's government of Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region

the East Turkestan you have said, doesn't exist

[thorny steeple]

Xinxang original name is East Turkestan.

Xinxang means (Restored Lands)

people from that region have always called it East Turkestan

[feral river]

trying to teach me mandarin doesn't work sir

[thorny steeple]

why enforcing that name?

[feral river]

and you are not even arguing

[thorny steeple]

trying to ignore a revolution that happened in your country isnt gonna work also

[feral river]

was the revolution success ?

[thorny steeple]

Yes. they established the country.
then china invaded them again

Why? isn't that

oppression?

[cerulean sleet]

🤣

[feral river]

their revolution success under Chinese rule ?

[thorny steeple]

Overwhelming, huh?

[feral river]

that was funny

[cerulean sleet]

no oppression only comes from islam sir

ofc

[dapper laurel]

Trve

[cerulean sleet]

there's no muslims getting hurt in the uyghur

[cerulean sleet]

I hope you got the joke.

[feral river]

admit the truth or I will just quit the conversation.

There is only one government in Xinjiang which is People's government of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region

[thorny steeple]

also, what about the the East Turkestan independence movement? is it also imagination?

[cerulean sleet]

the truth or your truth?

[feral river]

it exists

[dapper laurel]

Joke or not, it's partly true

[thorny steeple]

why does it exist

[waxen oyster]

You are literally Chinese talking about opression

[feral river]

East Turkestan independence movement exists, yes as I said some people think they can establish their country in our territory.

[waxen oyster]