🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

What East? They had very little know knowledge about today's east

[thorn lagoon]

which was recorded by later greek writers that he studied in India

[thorn lagoon]

India

[dapper laurel]

They meant the Levant, certainly not China, their consideration has nothing to do with it, for them the East was a place to go on holiday

[thorn lagoon]

not the levant ..

[thorny steeple]

Yeah a decentralized one. I don't think it's Chinese propaganda, even Japan, which has a long history of rivarly against China, shows signs of Confucian ideals according to scholars

[dapper laurel]

They never had much contact with other parts of the world, I don't know which Greek philosophers you studied, but they rarely spoke about countries foreign to this area

[thorny steeple]

Did he? Even Alexander didn't conquer the entire India

[thorn lagoon]

Only Northern parts of India

[dapper laurel]

They are brainwashed

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, he had a hard time conquering the Northern part, he didn't go much far towards the south

[thorn lagoon]

it is recorded by greek writers that Pyhthagoras studied in India

[thorny steeple]

Agreed

[thorn lagoon]

and, took the idea of transmigration from the Indians

[dapper laurel]

Furthermore, he tried to colonize this part of India, but his rule was so short that it is as if he had never been there

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/6BH9HvZx3nI?si=b2i_VFBNFlfYtO71

[thorn lagoon]

The third-century AD Sophist Philostratus claims that, in addition to the Egyptians, Pythagoras also studied under sages or gymnosophists in India

[dapper laurel]

It's just a theory

[manic juniper]

Germany, absurd productive output for its size and population

[thorn lagoon]

whether its true or not , the greek , definitely romanticize this part of the world

as a source of wisdom

[dapper laurel]

That's right

[thorn lagoon]

gymnosophits might be the jains

" naked philosphers"

[manic juniper]

They probably mocked it as well, they did that with Egypt

[dapper laurel]

If you say so

[thorny steeple]

I think Westphalen produces much more than the other parts, and that there many provinces that produces a very irrelevant amount compared to the whole country, is that right?

[manic juniper]

Egyptian society was deemed brilliant and advanced but Egyptians themselves were also made fun of for their greater attachment to traditions

[thorn lagoon]

They also romanticize egypt

[manic juniper]

Ultimately Greeks thought of themselves as the best, same as the Romans did

[thorn lagoon]

"Wise philosophers studying philosophy in Egypt and coming back " was a common trope among the greeks

[dapper laurel]

For productivity, absolute credit goes to the western regions, such as Westfalen, but for quality of life and wealth the south wins over everyone. I saw cities like Augsburg which prospered, clean streets, many social initiatives, lots of business, excellent salaries, ideal cities

[manic juniper]

The South too is a productive monster

[thorn lagoon]

Very common trope

[thorny steeple]

Why is that? Were western provinces always more prosperous or it has anything with the post-WWII division?

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_states_by_GRDP
Bavaria is second

[dapper laurel]

This also explains why Bayern demands independence

[thorny steeple]

They got both Mercedes Benz and BMW

[thorny steeple]

It has a little to do with their culture, tho

[manic juniper]

Both

It never caught up after 1989

[thorn lagoon]

It's a way of legitimizing their philosophy with it being traced to the egyptians

Plotinus, the great neo-platonic philosopher, did the same thing

I don't think they were making fun of the egyptians

[manic juniper]

The industrial centre of the world used to be around Benelux and England, so all regions closer to them also tended to be the most prosperous

[dapper laurel]

I think Bavaria has one advantage: tourism. There are truly many places to visit, they have a great artistic, humanistic and naturalistic heritage. Then they have always had a stable government and targeted policies, furthermore their economy is very diversified, they have a large manufacturing sector

[thorny steeple]

It's weird how such figures as Wagner, Nietzsche and Goethe all studied in Saxony, always ahead

[dapper laurel]

0-3 looooool

Where is Atatürk now????!€(:#@(

[stray star]

trump or biden?

[thorn lagoon]

It's not just merely my assertion.
It's a very common trope

[thorny steeple]

I mean, but there's also a cultural aspect, Bavarians think they differ very much from other Germans

[thorn lagoon]

" Travelling to India and egypt to learn philosophy "
Very common trope

[dapper laurel]

Pyrrhus was also the one who failed miserably in conquering southern Italy

[dapper laurel]

This is true, I have relatives there, speaking of other Germans and foreigners with a hint of hatred

[thorn lagoon]

You mean Pyrrho?

[thorny steeple]

I'd go for Trump but I have nothing to do with the US

[thorn lagoon]

Read tao te ching

You need to faithfully and fairly engage with the Chinese system first to determine who's superior

Apophaticism and negative theology right from the beginning

[thorn lagoon]

Taoism and Buddhism were syncretised to form chan buddhism( or zen buddhism in Japanese)

[grave temple]

What is bro babbling about

Comparing philosophers with generals and artists

It clearly shows your lack of knowledge in this domaine

Please stop embarrassing yourself 🙏

And think before you say stuff

[dapper laurel]

We were talking about history and culture, ergo I can make this comparison

[thorn lagoon]

Is this more of a general comparison between the Chinese and the greeks ?

Or between Asian and European?

Because the Mongols completely mogged the Roman Empire and Alexander the great as far as land empire and conquering goes

But, It was shot lived tho

[thorny steeple]

Caesar was both an artist and a poet, Napoleon was both a mathematician and a general, Charlemagne was both an intelectual and a general. U are the one lacking stuff here.

[thorn lagoon]

If it weren't for the mongols ,who significantly weakened the muslim powers by their invasion, the Christian west would have a different history.

These crusaders were already petrified by the Muslims that there were hoping for some king from the east who will defeat the Muslims

[cinder quartz]

What's topic?

The Golden Horde captured my country in the 12th-14th centuries

[thorn lagoon]

Your country is?

[cinder quartz]

Russia

[thorn lagoon]

[dapper laurel]

The Mongols enslaved the Russians and massacred several Slavic peoples, now tell me how would they have helped us? Furthermore, we defended you from the Muslims long before the Mongols arrived. The Franks under Charlemagne played an essential role in this. Furthermore, Muslims have not been a significant problem for us since the fall of the caliphate, with the exception of the Turks, the only people who managed to settle in the Balkans until the early twentieth century; they were expelled en masse after the first Balkan war. In the end Europe managed to survive on its own without anyone's help

[thorn lagoon]

marital alliances between Christian rulers and the Mongols of the Golden Horde continued, such as when the Byzantine emperor Andronicus II gave daughters in marriage to Toqta (d. 1312) and later to his successor Özbeg (1312–1341).

[cinder quartz]

?

[dapper laurel]

This means nothing, the golden horde had occupied European territories and they too had to be fought and defeated

[thorn lagoon]

Byzantine Roman emperors were giving daughters to the Mongol rulers to form alliances

[cinder quartz]

Everyone in Europe did it lol

[dapper laurel]

What a disgrace

The Mongols together with the Arabs tried to destroy us, they didn't succeed, I don't care about minor alliances, they were just strategic alliances, but deep down they hated each other

[thorn lagoon]

Lol Many of the Christian states were allying themselves with the mongols against the Muslims

[cinder quartz]

This is bad?

[thorn lagoon]

Iam talking about how mongol invasion significantly weakens thr muslim power

Not that those alliances were bad

[velvet ridge]

Didn't Mongols conquered the Muslims?

[cinder quartz]

Muslim power in Europe?

[thorn lagoon]

"Minor alliances" lol.

[cinder quartz]

It was only in the Balkans and the Iberian Peninsula of Spain lol

[sonic lion]

Great movie on your profile pic

[thorn lagoon]

Like Emperor giving away their daughters type of minor alliances

[dapper laurel]

You didn't read the entire paragraph

[dapper laurel]

.

[thorn lagoon]

Around 1262 or 1263, the Mamluk leader Baibars attempted an attack on Antioch, but the principality was saved by Mongol intervention.[42] In later years the Mongols were not able to offer as much support. In 1264–1265 the Mongols were able to attack only the frontier fort of al-Bira. In 1268 Baibars completely overran the rest of Antioch, ending the 170-year-old principality.[43][44]

In 1271, Baibars sent a letter to Bohemond threatening him with total annihilation and taunting him for his alliance with the Mongols:

[cinder quartz]

Hi aust

[velvet ridge]

Hi Mr.hmmmm

Lemme call you "sir"

[thorn lagoon]

Indeed.
Iirc we have talked about this before lol

[sonic lion]

I always feel the urge to say lmao I love Bergman

[thorn lagoon]

Persona and The seventh seal

[dapper laurel]

Antioch isn't even in Europe

[velvet ridge]

Guys you apperntly read the wrong history links

[cinder quartz]

I still don't understand the point of your discussion

[velvet ridge]

İg his point about how Muslims were the best in 13th century

[cinder quartz]

Where

[dapper laurel]

bro said that if it hadn't been for the Mongols, Europe wouldn't be the same as it is today, I was trying to say the opposite

[cinder quartz]

In Africa, the Middle East, Europe?

[velvet ridge]

.

Ops

Wrong ping

Hell

[cinder quartz]

It is logical that if you change the past, the future will change

[thorn lagoon]

Emperor Michael VIII Palaiologos, after re-establishing Byzantine Imperial rule, established an alliance with the Mongols.

He signed a treaty in 1266 with the Mongol Khan of the Kipchak (the Golden Horde),[9] and he married two of his daughters (conceived through a mistress, a Diplovatatzina) to Mongol kings: Euphrosyne Palaiologina, who married Nogai Khan of the Golden Horde, and Maria Palaiologina, who married Abaqa Khan of Ilkhanid Persia.[10]

[thorn lagoon]

Yes, because without the mongols weakening the muslim powers, the fate of Christian Europe seems very deem as the Christian were losing territories to the Muslims lol

[cinder quartz]

Central Europe suffered no damage from the Mongol invasion

[dapper laurel]

It was just a strategic alliance, the Byzantines had defeated the Muslims much earlier with Greek fire

[cinder quartz]

What territories?

[thorn lagoon]

The siege of Jerusalem for example

[cinder quartz]

Jerusalem is not in Europe

[dapper laurel]

the Slavs suffered a lot from their invasion, but bro only talks about the Byzantine Empire

[thorn lagoon]

Because they fear mongol invasion

[thorn lagoon]

But, it was under the Roman empire

[cinder quartz]

The Slavs lived and live in Eastern Europe, not in central

[dapper laurel]

Throughout history we defeated the Muslims when we were even weaker, the Mongols played a side role in this time

[cinder quartz]

When the Roman Empire collapsed, the eastern weakened Roman Empire was captured by the Ottomans and they took all its territories

The Ottomans were only able to do something in the Balkans

[dapper laurel]

Brother, I'm trying to explain to you that some Europeans suffered their invasions

[cinder quartz]

Yes, they suffered, my hometown was burned once because of Batu

Around the 12th century

[dapper laurel]

This proves that the Mongols were just barbarians who had no mercy towards anyone, but fortunately karma exists

[thorn lagoon]

Is that why Muslims were Over Running all your territories ?

Islam expanded into the Caucasus through the Muslim conquest of Persia in the 7th century and entered Southern Europe after the Umayyad conquest of Hispania in the 8th–10th centuries; Muslim political entities existed firmly in what is today Spain, Portugal, Sicily, and Malta during the Middle Ages.

[cinder quartz]

The Caucasus is not Europe

[dapper laurel]

Spain was liberated by the Christians, not by the Mongols, this reasoning makes no sense

[thorn lagoon]

Alexander was merciful?

[thorn lagoon]

Span and Portugal is not europe?

[cinder quartz]

I wrote above about the Iberian Peninsula

[dapper laurel]

He created new cities and exported refined Greek culture, what did the Mongols do? The guttural chants?

[thorn lagoon]

They created the silk Road

[dapper laurel]

They were liberated by the Christians, at least this should be clear to everyone

[thorn lagoon]

Numerous outposts and trade routes

[cinder quartz]

@thorn lagoon Do you know about the reconquista on the Iberian Peninsula?

[thorn lagoon]

Possible after mongols significantly weakening the muslim powers.

[dapper laurel]

This mainly benefited Asia, not Europe

[thorn lagoon]

Why should it benefit europe tho?
Alexandra conquest benefitted the locals?

[dapper laurel]

This also makes no sense, the Muslim kingdom in Spain was independent and quite prosperous too, the Mongols never got there

[thorn lagoon]

No

[cinder quartz]

How could the Mongols weaken the Muslim Kingdom in Spain if they did not get there?

[dapper laurel]

Alexander brought innovation to the peoples of the Middle East, his was to be an empire inspired by the eastern monarchies, he had no intention of destroying their history and that model of

[cinder quartz]

These are campaigns whose purpose was to expel Muslims from the territories of Spain and Portugal.

[dapper laurel]

Lol, I was trying to say that

[cinder quartz]

Yea i got it

[dapper laurel]

And you know what, the Spanish Golden Age began when the Muslims were expelled from Spain 😂

[thorn lagoon]

Iam talking about muslim power in general.

They would have expanded more into the heartland of europe

Without the mongols being there

[cinder quartz]

Because Portugal and Spain became the main colonial powers of their time (and they had huge reserves of gold)

[dapper laurel]

And the reconquista is the proof that the Europeans did not need the Mongols to repel the Arabs

[cinder quartz]

There were no Mongols in the heart of Europe

[thorn lagoon]

Lol you are coping

[cinder quartz]

the heart of Europe is in Bohemia

[thorn lagoon]

After 1295, Andronikos II offered Ghazan a marital alliance, in exchange for Mongol help to fight against the Turcomans at the Oriental frontier of the Byzantine Empire. Ghazan accepted the offer and promised to stop the incursions.[14] The death of Ghazan in 1304 was mourned by the Byzantines.[15]

This alliance would continue under Ghazan's successor, Oljeitu. In 1305, Ilkhan Oljeitu promised Andronikos II 40,000 men, and in 1308 dispatched 30,000 men to recover many Byzantine towns in Bithynia.[16] Andronicus II gave daughters in marriage to Toqta, as well as his successor Uzbek (1312–1341),[12] but relations turned sour at the end of Andronikos's reign and the Mongols mounted raids on Thrace between 1320 and 1324, until the Byzantine port of Vicina Macaria was occupied by the Mongols.

[dapper laurel]

The golden age began in 1492, when they expelled the Muslims from Iberia and discovered America

[thorn lagoon]

Byzantine Roman Empire giving away their daughters to mongol rulers to help them fight the muslims

[cinder quartz]

This is what I said

[dapper laurel]

Understood

They also expelled the Jews at that time

[cinder quartz]

The Byzantine Empire was weak and looking for help, what was wrong with that?

[cinder quartz]

The Ottomans also expelled Jews into Syria, Egypt and today's Israel.

[thorn lagoon]

But, weren't you talking about how independent and strong European powers were in resisting muslim expansion?

Seems they were seeking help of the mongols by giving away their daughters

[cinder quartz]

I didn’t say anything like that, I said that Muslims were expelled from Europe long ago

[thorn lagoon]

Okay, then, my message is targeted on andosweher

[cinder quartz]

The Byzantine Empire was not a strong power at that time

Constant raids by the Ottomans and the difficult situation inside the country weakened the country

[thorn lagoon]

The ottomans happened after the mongols though

We are talking about events before the ottomans

[cinder quartz]

I can't remember any other countries that asked for help during the Ottoman attack lol

The Ottomans had a war with Austria in the Balkans, but the Ottomans lost

Also, from the 16th to 19th centuries, the Ottomans lost a lot of wars to Russia

[thorn lagoon]

Christians lost Constantinople to the muslim turks tho

[cinder quartz]

U mean Constantinople?

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah

[cinder quartz]

Yes, Constantinople has remained under Turkish rule for many years

But they won the war not with all Christians, but only with Byzantium

Byzantium then owned Constantinople

[thorn lagoon]

Sure,but it is one of the most important cultural place for the Christians

And , now it's Istanbul

Especially for the eastern orthodoxy

[cinder quartz]

This is one of the most important cities, but this was not a great loss for Christendom

[cinder quartz]

After Constantinople, Moscow became the main center of Orthodoxy

Russia adopted a lot of culture from Byzantium

I think for Christians now the main cities are Rome and Jerusalem

[cinder quartz]

Almost all of Europe followed the Pope and they didn’t care about the main Orthodox city

@thorn lagoon u kn?

[dapper laurel]

The truly important place for Christians is Rome

[thorn lagoon]

For the catholics maybe

[thorn lagoon]

???

[thorn lagoon]

Do protestant feel the same wayy ?

I think for the protestant ,its jerusalem

[dapper laurel]

In general, European Christianity began to develop in Rome, and it was one of the first major Christian cities, long before Constantinople.

[dapper laurel]

Protestants are a degenerate Christian movement

[cinder quartz]

Initially, the Christian Church was ruled by both the Pope and Patriarch, but the church split into Catholic (led by the Pope) and Orthodox (led by the Patriarch)

Protestantism also appeared in Rome, but most of its followers were in the Germanic countries

[dapper laurel]

I think we separated from our Orthodox brothers only for political reasons, I hope that one day we can reunite

[thorn lagoon]

Due to The filoque controversy , right?

[cinder quartz]

There's a long history there

[cinder quartz]

That was one of the aspects I think

[thorn lagoon]

I thought it was for a theologocal reason

Thr filoque controversy

[dapper laurel]

It's all the fault of the Byzantines, they didn't want to be subordinated to the Pope

[cinder quartz]

By the way, now the patriarch of the Orthodox Church is elected in Moscow, as I said

[dapper laurel]

For Muslims, Rome is an important Christian city, some of them claim that Muhammad made a prophecy according to which the two most important Christian cities (Rome and Constantinople) will fall under the muslim rule, but I'm still waiting fo the fall of Rome

[cinder quartz]

They have Mecca and Medina

[thorn lagoon]

The Ukrainian church broke away the communion with the Russian

[dapper laurel]

Both fell into Christian hands under the rule of the British crown lol

[cinder quartz]

And?

[cinder quartz]

It was like that yea

[dapper laurel]

Saudi Arabia was a state subordinate to the colonial power

After the ottoman rule

[thorn lagoon]

Nothing
It means the eastern church is divided

[cinder quartz]

Nope, that means they don't want anything to do with our church.

[thorn lagoon]

Now the east is rising

[cinder quartz]

The fact that the Ukrainian church is trying to close itself off from us does not make the Orthodox world fragmented

[cinder quartz]

By the way, did you know that China carried out the genocide of the Uighurs (the only Muslim people in China)

?

[cinder quartz]

By the way, did you hear about the case when Yemeni terrorists shot at Mecca with ballistic missiles?

[thorn lagoon]

Fake genocide

They are putting separatist in prisons

Not putting civilians inside concentration camp

[cinder quartz]

In the Soviet Union there was something like concentration camps. "Gulags" are for criminals, I think China has this too

[thorn lagoon]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/technology/china-ai-talent.html#:~:text=“Chinese scholars are almost leading,shooting themselves in the foot.”

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah, they are being used in a negative light,by the western countries to make soviet Union and China look bad

Iam fine with gulag for the criminal

[cinder quartz]

(they were not killed there, but forced to do hard work)

[sonic lion]

As if that doesn’t happen in every prison

[thorny steeple]

🚫 brazilians are not allowed here 🚫

[sonic lion]

Are we too sexy for this chat

[thorny steeple]

They are but you aren't

[sonic lion]

Do it yourself

Lazy ass

[thorny steeple]

Don't confuse me for Brazilians

Pls

[sonic lion]

A brazlian guy invented the air plane

That’s not being lazy

[thorny steeple]

Prove

[sonic lion]

Wdym

[desert nebula]

May he burn in hell and taste the pain that he has caused to his own people

[thorny steeple]

Hold on

[desert nebula]

Just delete that ugly face of him

[thorny steeple]

Why so

He isn't a bad person

[desert nebula]

Thanks

[desert nebula]

He's the worst and most hated for us. He's a chemical war criminal that only knows how to lie. You can search how many churches and masjids he destroyed and then talks about peace and unity or the hundred thousands that was killed bc of him or all my relatives who were either dead or scattered throughout the world

[thorny steeple]

I'm just kidding, I respect you and what he might have done to you / your I'm just kidding, I respect you and what he might have done to you / your relatives

Sorry

[desert nebula]

It's alright you didn't know. I thought you were one of his supporters.

[thorny steeple]

I have nothing to do with him. I live in South America.

[desert nebula]

Tamam peace

[agile tulip]

can I ask who this person is?

it sounds really awful what he's done

[desert nebula]

Syria's trash president

[agile tulip]

I heard there's much problems and conflict there but not sure about everything

is it like Kaddafi situation?

[desert nebula]

I don't know much about him but yeah the war in my country started internally it was civil war but not later as many countries interfered and only caused more destruction

[agile tulip]

that's very sad

[desert nebula]

That's life

[agile tulip]

wish there can be peace everywhere someday

[desert nebula]

I hope I live till that day:)

[thorny steeple]

World is having many problems now I hope no more wars because there will be very terrible things happening then

[desert nebula]

Wars won't stop as long as humans exist actually but we can still dream of this.

[sour marlin]

Fr

[thorny steeple]

No because Kaddafi's situation was rather external, whilst Asaad's is an internal conflict, though it encompasses some external support but nothing on large scale

Are u Lybian?

[agile tulip]

nnoooo i'm from europe

but I remember some of it from the news

[thorny steeple]

Very Hobbes from you

But that's right, wars won't cease

[devout shale]

Starting place is inside people

[sonic lion]

If everyone desires it why doesn’t it happen

[devout shale]

Wow I can tell I'm aging by the way I talk

[devout shale]

People desire it but don't practice it

[desert nebula]

Unfortunately, also I'm sorry if I sounded harsh before. If you like that kind of songs I can send you some but not about him.

[sonic lion]

So they don’t really want it. We actually love conflict

[devout shale]

It's like when you say you want to lose weight but never start working out

[sonic lion]

Yeah

But nothing is that simple

[thorny steeple]

Don't worry. You can send me some

[thorny steeple]

I'd say we do... But... Those who want are more powerful, despite being small in gross numbers

[devout shale]

It starts with the little things

[sonic lion]

The desire of conflict is inside of us regardless class. But yeah, overall the blame is on them

However has power wants to conserve it or increase it

Whoever*

[devout shale]

Education

[sonic lion]

I think we naturally want to conserve energy. Sometimes making a change is fighting with your own body

[sonic lion]

Education is not going to save us

That’s really naïve

[devout shale]

Not in the short run

[sonic lion]

Neither in the long one

Education also comes from capitalist institution

It depends on them

[devout shale]

I'm talking about family education, kids must understand that being evil or bad is not cool, it's just society brainwashing

Violence always comes from weakness

[sonic lion]

You’re so naïve I don’t even know where to start

Where do you think the parents got their education from?

That’s so unrealistic

Plus, violence shouldn’t be taught as wrong. If your kid is being beaten, you’re saying they should do what?

[desert nebula]

https://youtu.be/XIhfnDsA0Fg?si=8l5lBWws1nXW5S7G
You can listen to this I love it.

[sonic lion]

Violence being taught as wrong is a class brainwash to keep us guilty from getting justice

[devout shale]

I'm talking about unnecessary violence or misbehaviors with the only purpose to take advantage of others, not about self defense

[devout shale]

It's unrealistic because we are so f***ed up

[sonic lion]

Good to clarify

Aggression is not necessarily wrong

A lot of people are against a class revolution because of violence

That’s brainwashing to me

[sonic lion]

Yeah but mostly because often violence comes from the nuclear family

[devout shale]

I call that self defense

Against oppression

[sonic lion]

So it’s hypocritical to say that this type of education should come from a place so fraudulent

Precisely

People who condemn it are all too comfortable

[devout shale]

That's why we are messed up and if you can't make a difference on a political or social scale, best thing you can do is educate your kids properly because it goes without saying that they will be the society of the future

Now I stop because I'm starting to sound like a politician

But that's my thought

[sonic lion]

I disagree

Best you can do is radicalize people

who don’t have access to education

[devout shale]

What do you mean by radicalize?

[sonic lion]

Spread the word of god

das kapital

[thorny steeple]

An outdated book

[devout shale]

I don't think god is the solution at all. Wars made in the name of god are countless you should now

[sonic lion]

Dude I’m joking

I’m talking about Marx as a god

[sonic lion]

Yeah but it’s a classic. You gotta read once in your life

[viscid vessel]

??topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

Does technology simplify life or make it more complicated?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[devout shale]

I think radicalization is never good regardless, but

[sonic lion]

It literally means solving the problem by it’s roots

Nothing wrong w that

And of course doesn’t mean that it solve all problems in the world

Contradictions will always exist

[sonic lion]

It makes it simple and that’s the problem

[devout shale]

Makes your life simpler by making you dumber

[viscid vessel]

it do makes life simpler but cause more problems

[devout shale]

Not against tech tho, but that's a fact

[viscid vessel]

like social media bring perverts and kids together

even they are 100k miles away

[viscid vessel]

none can against technology

it develops by time

[sonic lion]

I meannn

Only if you choose to be

I can use AI to do my homework or to prepare me for my exam

It’s up to the individual

[viscid vessel]

if you rely on chatgpt bots staffs to much you could be

[devout shale]

I think you should only use Chatgpt for example when you can't arrive to the answer by yourself even if you try, because if you use it to get ideas or quickly get an answer which you could develop with you brain, you are putting your mind in sleep mode and brain is a muscle, it athrophizes if you don't use it. So the more advanced the tech the more it is a double edged sword

[sonic lion]

Technology gives us access to everything tho. We could never read so many scientific papers in history

I can read them from all around the globe

[sonic lion]

You can use it to make questions

And train you for the exam

Sometimes it’s hard to find questions about a specific topic

[devout shale]

@sonic lion yes that's a good way to use it, but as I said the more powerful a thing is, the more it can cause good and bad in greater measure

[viscid vessel]

oh yeah but everything including bad things

[sonic lion]

It bad is almost all caused by the people in power

They use AI to decrease our service

Have it cheaper

The problem is also with information without knowledge

[devout shale]

Btw I use it to help with my coding projects because it helps me focusing more on how I want to structure my project instead of the technicalities

[sonic lion]

And it goes so fast we barely have time to process

[sonic lion]

That’s what I’m saying, on an individual level is a good thing

But when you amplify it

It’s a nightmare

[devout shale]

Sure thing

[sonic lion]

People disqualifying artists is the worst to me

[devout shale]

Knife in baker's hands is not the same thing as in killer's hands

[sonic lion]

Good point haha

[devout shale]

Upcoming times are going to be interesting that's for sure

@sonic lion nice chat we had, see you

[sonic lion]

Same < 3

[thorn lagoon]

There are other muslim groups in China other than the uighur

[thorn lagoon]

" Savage Mongols vs Civilized and merciful romans "

Your Alexander " the great" invasion was as savage and barbaric as the Mongols invasion.
But, europeans like to have fake mental and moral superiority over the others

[thorn lagoon]

But the man known as Alexander the Great was also one of history’s worst monsters. He was a murderous, rage-filled, paranoid, alcoholic, religious fanatic who, on at least one occasion, showed a fondness for what today might be considered necrophilia. He murdered often, at times indiscriminately. He assassinated rivals a dozen at a time, slaughtered innocents by the thousands, and exterminated entire tribes of people. It’s no exaggeration to say that Alexander killed off a generation of Macedonian officers—veterans he needed to run the army he inherited from his father, Philip. Nor were friends and family spared; within days of taking the throne, he killed Philip’s most recent wife and her new infant.

[feral river]

Do you know what is this ?

Bullfrog

Super delicious

[night cedar]

[viscid vessel]

Which region is this cuisine?

[fossil horizon]

china bro

although it's similar to my country cuisine

[feral river]

People’s Republic of China

[thorn lagoon]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China

[viscid vessel]

you are Mexican?

[viscid vessel]

which part,i mean,like Sichuan,Canton,North food

[thorn lagoon]

They are anglicans .Do you consisder them as degenerate christians too ?

[feral river]

Lu cuisine, Shandong province, Jinan

[viscid vessel]

i remembered a funny video about Shandong

[green steppe]

hello people💫💫
although the word "soil" is uncountable, i read a sentence which says (( Soils also store water, preventing flood damage))
why?

[viscid vessel]

chatgpt knows

[thorny steeple]

-soil is uncountable that's true
-soil means ground in general
-and soils means different types of soil

like
-water means water in general and it's uncountable
-waters means water bodies, many rivers, lakes in together

[thorny steeple]

in conclusion " soils" means different kinds of soil(talking about all the categories of soil)

[green steppe]

thanks alot💞💞💞

[rapid verge]

hii

[dapper laurel]

I never considered the Macedonians Roman, but they founded new cities in this war that became important, such as Alexandria in Egypt. It also brought Greek culture with new colonizers from Macedonia and the Aegean islands. The Mongols instead plundered, exterminated, and burned the villages of Eastern Europe; they don't really cared of Europeans

[dapper laurel]

They have retained many aspects of Catholic doctrine, but do not recognize some of the seven sacraments. They too separated for political reasons, they have partly degenerated

[main bison]

mee

sultan means king right?

no are u from India?

[thorn lagoon]

Some of the most fundamental ideas and technologies in the world—papermaking, printing, and gunpowder manufacturing, among many others—made their way across Asia via the Silk Road. Migrants, merchants, explorers, pilgrims, refugees, and soldiers brought along with them their disparate religious and cultural ideas and domesticated animals, plants, flowers, vegetables, and fruit as they joined this gigantic cross-continental exchange. As historian Ma Debin describes it, the Silk Road was the original melting pot, the lifeline of the Eurasian continent.

Knowledge of gunpowder spread rapidly throughout Asia and Europe, possibly as a result of the Mongol conquests during the 13th century, with written formulas for it appearing in the Middle East between 1240 and 1280 in a treatise by Hasan al-Rammah, and in Europe by 1267 in the Opus Majus by Roger Bacon.

[vagrant swan]

wait

[thorn lagoon]

They allowed female priest .
Isn't that a degeneration according to catholic doctrine?

[vagrant swan]

how do we have a similar friend

[thorn lagoon]

How did the knowledge of gun powder reach europe?

[vagrant swan]

this is not i want to hear

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah, through the mongol conquest .
Large unconnected remote civilizations were made immediate and near by the silk Road established by the mongols and there were rapid exchange of ideas, cultural syncretism and knowledge

[vagrant swan]

nah

yea thats the point

like i know him

but she dont ig

its been like two years

[main bison]

where's chinese dude?

@feral river hi dude
my phipino friend said China just claimed the south china sea but it really belongs to fipino and it's name must be west filipino sea
What do u say?

[vagrant swan]

its not

where did u met with her

so u talkin to each other regularly

cant remember but

its must be beluga server or smthn

thats a rare situation

say hello to her from me

[green moat]

Hi #🛂｜report-help, not sure if this is something worth a tag, but i was just wondering could you rename the voice chat "vegans are better?" to "veganism is better?" or something, since otherwise its creating that feeling like some are better than others while its not the point of veganism, it makes people defensive and offensive
Thanks in advance for reading

[slim fjord]

#1096428803724673124

pepesocute

[tepid escarp]

U chat here

[dapper laurel]

Okay, gunpowder came here with the Mongols, and this helped us conquer the whole world later, but the Mongols massacred our populations, we won't forget that

[main bison]

guyzooo

[unique light]

Does this mean a guy that is a zoo or a guy in the zoo?

[main bison]

none

[unique light]

Fair

[brittle quest]

Dayum، im serious

Chris why u laughing for? Im serious im f serious

[neat ether]

can someone tell me what padre is on about??

[brittle quest]

U can just ask me

:)) did u watch that British boy

It's like memes :))

[neat ether]

oooooh whos that exactly?

[whole raptor]

PADRI

[brittle quest]

https://youtu.be/2_O5YHX4urE?si=p6ktzUO0KM1GuiFp

[whole raptor]

lmao i know it

[brittle quest]

Heyy

[whole raptor]

ı was waitin for u to say hi

[brittle quest]

Yeah

[whole raptor]

hru homie

[brittle quest]

Ohhh

My allah keep u inshallah

[brittle quest]

Im good for seeing u, how about u??

[whole raptor]

hehe same

im a bit exhausted but nice

[brittle quest]

Was it a hard day ??

[whole raptor]

i cleaned my big ass house

so yep

[brittle quest]

Aaaaaaaa stop bad words🧍

My day was hard too, i had some exams and a long way backing home

[whole raptor]

ooh

[brittle quest]

Now im relaxing

[whole raptor]

nice nice

[brittle quest]

Yeah

[tepid escarp]

I see

[thorny steeple]

I've read some chapters of it.
I didn't read the whole book 'cause it has over 3000 pages

[shell brook]

do you guys have any idea how to improve social skills ?

[thorny steeple]

If you're man, the best you can do is to improve your looks and try to be less shy

[shell brook]

nah Everything has to have a limit hahaha.

[thorny steeple]

Have you reached yours yet?

[shell brook]

No like, i mean socials. How to talk what about to talk

The main problem is to find some topic to discuss

[thorny steeple]

I don't know about that either. If you will find an answer, tell me.

[shell brook]

Hahhaah

I will find the solution 🥵

[forest slate]

you can bring up some basic and common topics like hobbies and what do they do for a living

maybe after finding sth in common, you both can delve deeper into that particular topic

[shell brook]

Its hard to discuss it for a while

[forest slate]

language barrier?

[shell brook]

No.. I just have nothing to say

[forest slate]

i think you are just new in those voice channels

[shell brook]

Maybe

[forest slate]

you have not got used to talking with stranger

that's normal dw

[shell brook]

I went to chill chat and got called Indian gay tf

[forest slate]

ahh chatting not calling

[shell brook]

You are probably right

[forest slate]

lmao well, that's one of the sad parts that you have to deal online

[shell brook]

It was anyway weird cuz im not gay and not indian

[forest slate]

there're a lot of weirdos and creeps in this server

some may insult or make fun of you,solely to entertain them

[shell brook]

Its more toxic than poland

I am so surprised 😂😂

[forest slate]

you're from poland?

[shell brook]

Nah No, just lived there for a while

Like this country tho

[thorny steeple]

Fr

Alotta creeps

[forest slate]

i've never thought that poland are rude and toxic

[shell brook]

Fr - for real?

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[shell brook]

It depends

[forest slate]

beware with some scammers as well

[shell brook]

All my money is in cash gl to steal it hahah

[forest slate]

we def may encounter toxic people everywhere

not only money but also your data tho

[shell brook]

Yeah you are right

[shell brook]

Ill be careful thank you

And have a good one! See ya later

[forest slate]

sure, have a good one

[main bison]

Guyzo

what is your defintion of Perfect Girl?

[thorny steeple]

a feminine girl

[main bison]

So only having feminine orgasms make u a Perfect girl?

nah bro

[thorn lagoon]

He probably means submissive female

[thorny steeple]

yeah

[whole raptor]

Hello guys

[thorny steeple]

why your thought are so f ked ?

[river ridge]

why?

who is f ked?

[pallid owl]

feminine dudes are submissive enough

we should boycott women

[shell brook]

we will do it together with by gf

[main bison]

how come

[sonic lion]

Oh god

How can people be so uneducated about gender roles in 2024

[sonic lion]

Men when they don’t want to pay for a maid

[main bison]

guys what is wrong with u?

I just meant what behaviours or idk beauty standard u want ur girlfriend to have

[thorn lagoon]

[pallid owl]

well ngl i have pretty accommodating standards. i'd like to become a house husband, so my ideal girl has to be able to support me financially while i take care of our chillun

[main bison]

you were born with wrong gender mate

if u want that type of living u better become gay

and tell ur husband to do that for ya

[thorny steeple]

now girls judges us on our preference cool

[thorn lagoon]

Some girls like trad gender roles and are submissive

Some dont

[thorny steeple]

so what went wrong when i say
i want a feminine girl

[main bison]

What do u mean by feminine?

[sonic lion]

It’s not about you personally, but preferences doesn’t fall from heaven. Your “preference” has deep roots that you’re ignoring

[thorny steeple]

a girl who do not disrespect me , act calmly
and not muscular

[thorn lagoon]

The unconscious

Carl Jung moment

[static pivot]

Girls are so uwu~

[main bison]

that makes sense

[sonic lion]

It’s funny how it’s never about a person itself but about how you want them to treat you

It’s all about you

[sonic lion]

Lmao yeah

[thorn lagoon]

You want this right?

[static pivot]

Very low resolution image

Post a good one

[main bison]

a housewife
Rare to see it nowdays it modren world

[thorny steeple]

man i don't care if i do these work or my wife

[sonic lion]

It’s actually really common

[static pivot]

You can be one

[main bison]

I'm a boy

[thorny steeple]

and that's a basic survival skill everyone should know this

[sonic lion]

hahaha

[static pivot]

Regardless

[main bison]

I hate the concept of being femnist

[main bison]

whaat

[sonic lion]

Why

Liberal feminist sucks indeed

[static pivot]

Yes, welcome to the awakening

[sonic lion]

Me when I chose a stem major

[thorny steeple]

what do you meant by deep roots ?

[main bison]

femmnism is teaching female that they can be an indpenent and perfect woman by just disrepecting men and become lesbian

[sonic lion]

Okay, the Trump in your name said it all. You’re just uneducated on the subject

[thorn lagoon]

Most women tend to be in medical ( just my observation ).

Very low female to male ratio in cse in my college

[main bison]

And ur edcutaded on it

[velvet ridge]

💀

[sonic lion]

Women oppression is the eldest form of oppression, our conception of women and our expectations from them comes from centuries of patriarchal organization

[viscid vessel]

tf

[sonic lion]

Your preference is not neat yk

[static pivot]

Anime girl pfp and wee/woo pronouns...

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-opinion-gif-22134945

[sonic lion]

Yes, gender stereotypes always puts women in “care taker” categories

[main bison]

ur disrepecting me

[sonic lion]

Yes?

[main bison]

[viscid vessel]

one of my favorite American tbh

[static pivot]

Ok femboy

[thorny steeple]

how tf is it not neet
men got attracted to feminine traits and that's because evolution
and listen what feminine girl guys wants are cute . not disrepectfull and carying
is that alot to ask ?

[viscid vessel]

i like cute girls

[main bison]

Wtf

[thorny steeple]

🤝

[static pivot]

😎

Oopsie wrong gif

[main bison]

You guys bettet watch some Andrew tates video

[viscid vessel]

white girls are craziest stuffs in the world especially in America

[sonic lion]

That’s literally a myth lmao femininity is fabricated by society. You should read "the second sex" by simone de beauvoir, she debunks the biology argument quite excellently

[static pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-girl-gang-cheers-celebration-toast-girl-power-gif-16813486

[viscid vessel]

@static pivot

[static pivot]

No ma'am thank you

[static pivot]

Okay

[sonic lion]

And omg you’re allowed to have a preference, I’m not telling you what to do. I’m just offering a critical perspective

[thorny steeple]

the thing is moder women think doing house chore
is that they are snatching their freedom .
but that a basic survival activity . ain't males who live alone do this ?

[viscid vessel]

actually latina

[thorn lagoon]

Cuteness will degrade over time( ageing) .

You have to spend your whole life with her.

So,Personality and being an educated person is the ideal.

[viscid vessel]

im getting older too that's just what i want now

[static pivot]

You're one?

[dapper laurel]

I think physical appearance is the most important thing

[viscid vessel]

i wish but im a guy

[main bison]

To all feminists out there
Being rude and aggresive and generally unpleasent
does not make u a strong woman
It just makes u annoying

[viscid vessel]

none is feminist here

[main bison]

Duck you

[static pivot]

Aren't you a feminist?

[main bison]

Emma is

[sonic lion]

The problem with domestic work is that it’s economically exploitative. They work and don’t receive any money, and by that she’s completely depended on a men. Domestic violence, abuse, psychological terror are all violence that gets them more vulnerable to live. Plus it’s so hard to get out of those environments

[main bison]

no

[viscid vessel]

Emma is just a right wing

[thorn lagoon]

Average looking or very attractive?

[static pivot]

What's up with your pfp then

Are you a man or woman

Pick a lane

[sonic lion]

You’re offending me. I’m a radical leftist

[viscid vessel]

okay left ma'am

[sonic lion]

Lmao why so sarcastic

[main bison]

what the duck is wrong with u
Can i not have a anime pfp as a boy?

[sonic lion]

Exactly!!

[viscid vessel]

would left radical?

[dapper laurel]

A looking that can attract me, I mean, if you are cute it means you have a healthy body ready to host future offspring

[static pivot]

No.

[thorn lagoon]

There's usually a direct proportional relationship between being attractive and being dumb

[viscid vessel]

can't understand

[viscid vessel]

I thought the left was particularly conservative.

[main bison]

U closed minded

[sonic lion]

That’s all you ask? You’re as empty as your preferences

[sonic lion]

That’s controversial

[viscid vessel]

everyone like beautiful face that's a point

[static pivot]

Aren't you the one preaching Andrew tate?
Then you proceed to have an anime girl pfp

PICK A LANE

[sonic lion]

Sure. But is that enough?

[viscid vessel]

i hate Politics and philosophy

[sonic lion]

I could tell

[viscid vessel]

not enough

[static pivot]

So you hate life?

[main bison]

Reza doesn't talk to close minded people🫵

[viscid vessel]

no i like it very much

i could enjoy musicals all day

[sonic lion]

Your mind is so close not even oxygen enters it

[static pivot]

🪑 sit

[tropic totem]

What topic are you guys talking about

[viscid vessel]

you are mean to him emma

[tropic totem]

LOLLL

[sonic lion]

Gender roles (specifically the female one)

[static pivot]

Just someone casually preaching about Andrew tate with wee/woo pronouns and anime girl pfp

And I'm a lil confused

[sonic lion]

lmao

[dapper laurel]

I think that the main purpose of human beings is to reproduce, advance the species and generate strong successors. By the way, Would you prefer a short, ugly guy, but with a "great" personality or a tall, muscular, handsome guy with a normal personality?

[tropic totem]

Oh but like what exactly?

[viscid vessel]

that's their choice

[sonic lion]

Define a normal personality, not sure about that

[static pivot]

No it's not

[viscid vessel]

im a straight man but i don't really mind them

[sonic lion]

I don’t want to reproduce, I’m asexual. Not sure I’m the best person to answer that

[dapper laurel]

A person with whom you don't get bored, but with whom you don't have fun, practically neutral

[viscid vessel]

asexual?

[sonic lion]

That’s not a personality, that’s how I feel about them

[sonic lion]

Yes, it means I don’t feel sexual attraction to anyone

[thorn lagoon]

Having resources( money ) is also an important one .Some women will choose ugly short guy if they are rich

[dapper laurel]

Personality influences these factors

[main bison]

and ur mama is so slow it took her 9 month to make a joke

[viscid vessel]

which means you can like everyone but you won't fell in love with them

[dapper laurel]

This is true in most cases

[thorn lagoon]

Thats the base desire but we have evolved a little out of this and have more sophistry to relationship than just breeding and making babies

[main bison]

and means she's gonna be single for all of her life

[tropic totem]

Ooooo so you have 0 sexual desire no matter what? Or maybe it’s just really low and you haven’t found that right person yet?

[viscid vessel]

that's what I'm talking about

[main bison]

idk why people are now normalizing the mental issues like this

[dapper laurel]

Trust me brother, personality and intelligence are a side thing

[viscid vessel]

someone literally could be like this

[tropic totem]

Wym? Romantic and sexual attraction are different. You can love someone without smashing. Also, asexual people do sexual acts sometimes although they don’t feel sexual pleasure from it

[viscid vessel]

i don't know how do you think about it @sonic lion

[sonic lion]

I think it’s more about feeling repulsed by that level of intimacy. I don’t know tho, romantic love is acceptable

[dapper laurel]

Every girl I know prefers a tall, rich, muscular guy, maybe blond, and trust me, their physical appearance will also define their "good" personality

[tropic totem]

Ah. You aren’t asexual then. Asexual people don’t feel sexual desire at all. I think you’re capable of it, but as you just said, you’re repulsed by the thought of it. Asexual people aren’t repulsed by sex. They just don’t feel anything towards it

[viscid vessel]

[thorn lagoon]

its a side thing If we are only going by base primal desire and sex .But, the point is , sex and making babies is not all there is to relationship

[thorny steeple]

god damn who says that women should not work outside .
my point was that moder women think that doing house chores is a patriarchal thing .
and about domestic violence does only women suffer that ?

[main bison]

what the duck u saying
how come a person's physics body can afffect on his prsonolites

[dapper laurel]

Read my previous message

[thorn lagoon]

which one ?

[viscid vessel]

i think you just didn't find the right one in real life so you think about it you are asexual

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah, this is true for most of the girls i guess

[sonic lion]

Okay. I mean, they’re both fine to me, I don’t care about height or muscle but the beauty factor is important I guess, It’s nice to date someone you think it’s cute

[dapper laurel]

In the eyes of others, they will have a good personality only because of their physical appearance, they will find them interesting only because of their physical appearance, it was an irony

[main bison]

nah ur wrong

[dapper laurel]

Maybe

[sonic lion]

I would feel repulsed to be in that situation and I also don’t feel anything from sex. Seeing it it’s boring but actually doing it would be uncomfortable and repulses me

[sonic lion]

There’s no such a thing as a right person, you guys are too romantic

[main bison]

oh u actually don't believe it u mean some girls think like that right?

[dapper laurel]

And also remember that morality has aesthetic standards

[viscid vessel]

well i think God knows because I'm theist

[dapper laurel]

Many of them think this way, those who don't think this way are the ugly ones

[thorn lagoon]

In what sense ?

[tropic totem]

Yeah I understand. But the repulsion feeling happens if you have a very negative view towards it or you had something traumatizing happen to you in life, especially involving anything sexual. I still do think that if you find the right person that you deeply love, that feeling towards sex can easily change. For example, I know of a fair deal of women who have almost non existent sex drives, until they get into an actual loving relationship, and soon, their sex drive really spikes. I do believe that plays a role in your situation

[sonic lion]

That’s cultural I suppose. Plus, guys with power and money will always choose a young and beautiful girl. Both men and women have preferences driven by culture

[viscid vessel]

that's fair enough

[thorn lagoon]

Only the uninitiated un-platonic hylic people care more about physical appearance

[viscid vessel]

just how this world works

[main bison]

it's better a person who is asexual does not comment on this topic

[sonic lion]

You could be right, but I feel no sexual desire at all. I don’t think that would change by romantic interests. I view romance as emotional connection and nothing more

[tropic totem]

And my response to that, when I say the right person, I don’t mean that one right person out of billions of people worldwide. That’s not what I meant. There could be thousands of right people for you. Who knows. I’m just saying if you found someone you’re deeply in love with, your repulsive feelings can easily change. That’s all

[sonic lion]

Lmao that’s nothing to do w me

[dapper laurel]

To make you understand how important physical appearance is: would you kill a cockroach or a butterfly? Killing the butterfly would not be socially accepted, you would be considered a bad person, on the other hand, if you kill the cockroach, you'll be considered as a hero. Morality has aesthetic standards

[thorny steeple]

Traits regarding looks are desired by what I call "genuine attraction" - the desire of one to have pleasure with that person.
Whilst money and personality enters the "negotiated attraction", what a woman is looking for on a long-term relationship.
Both are important and are related to evolutive aspects of the human being.

[viscid vessel]

like Mexican would go to marry an American,and southeast Asian want husband from hk,Japan stuffs

[thorn lagoon]

Thats a flawed morality ...Going on its natural conclusion , this king of reasoning will justify killing ugly people or races which you deemed unfit or ugly

[sonic lion]

Maybe repulse is not the right word, but I would hate to be in the situation. I hate being touched and all, maybe bc I’m neurodivergent

[tropic totem]

I do agree they are different, but they relate. When you two really love each other, intimacy is like the next step. It could honestly be a pretty enjoyable, loving act. Purely out of love, with no intention of reproducing. I mean, that’s why condoms exist

[thorny steeple]

Traits such as being blonde are desired because white people ruled the entire world in the last few centuries and whiteness resembles richness and social status in their minds. Nothing strictly biological but rather social

[tropic totem]

Hmmm so would you be against cuddles? Not sexual but a lot of touching

[dapper laurel]

I saw long-term relationships formed by a dumb male and a beautiful, intelligent girl, the dumb guy had money and was handsome, looks is everything

[sonic lion]

It’s just disgusting and painful to me, not romantic at all

[thorny steeple]

Of course they are. Looks are even more important than money. But both play a major role

[dapper laurel]

And guess what, character and personality are useless

[sonic lion]

Not my cup of tea, I’m a really distant person in that aspect. But if I loved them I suppose I would be comfortable w their touch

[thorny steeple]

true

[sonic lion]

Not to me

Personality plays a big role in attraction

[dapper laurel]

I finally found my people

[thorny steeple]

If you're a shoit person, people won't judge you much if you're beautiful. Looks overcome personality instinctively

[sonic lion]

The superficial club

[tropic totem]

Have you had anything traumatic happen to you, or have you been influenced a lot by what you see on the internet for you to develop this very negative view towards it? Or maybe you feel used for men’s gratification?

[dapper laurel]

So you would have a relationship with a deformed person, but with a great personality?

[thorny steeple]

if you have money no one cares about presonality or sh it

[dapper laurel]

Fr

[thorn lagoon]

Some do

[sonic lion]

Nope. Actually, sex is represented in media as this wonderful thing. I felt broken most of my life bc of it

[dapper laurel]

Who?

[thorny steeple]

Most people who say that don't pick an ugly but interesting person over a beautiful one whether they are women or men

[thorn lagoon]

I have seen many

Like women marrying physically disabled men

[dapper laurel]

They do it for the meme

[thorn lagoon]

What?

[sonic lion]

Idk maybe

[thorn lagoon]

I mean what you were saying is also true for some but not all

[dapper laurel]

I'm just a realist, realistically a person would never be with another very ugly person

[tropic totem]

Then I do think it could be just not finding that person and not being in that sort of position. I do think your view towards it could slowly change over time. And yeah the touching thing I know it definitely sucks, although that’s something you may get used to or even at a point enjoy with someone you love in the future

[sonic lion]

It’s okay to like beautiful people
My point is IS IT ALL you ask?

[thorny steeple]

Hold on bro, a germanic guy with blue eyes is seen as God in many parts of the world

[thorn lagoon]

I don't disagree .
Iam saying there are exceptions

[sonic lion]

You’re not a realist. A realistic person recognizes every aspect of the argument, every variable. You only see what confirm your already made point

[thorny steeple]

and those exceptions are very rare sir .
don't ignore the reality

[thorn lagoon]

Only people with interiority complex

[dapper laurel]

Thank you bro, but I don't want a relationship or the attention of females rn

[sonic lion]

Ik you’re trying to help but I heard it so many times. It doesn’t change and that’s fine to me

[thorn lagoon]

Sure saar

[thorny steeple]

In Brazil, it happens all the time. I find it kind of sad

[thorn lagoon]

Aren't those exceptions reality too, saar?

[thorny steeple]

So do I, I prefer to focus on myself

[sonic lion]

men going their own way! 😜

[thorn lagoon]

Those people have slave mentality then.

[sonic lion]

We do

[dapper laurel]

A realistic person speaks from experience, I have experience in these things, and I have observed the behaviors of the girls I have met. You might be the exception, but this doesn't make you the majority of people, not even realistic

[tropic totem]

It’s not really something that can just happen, I know. Like anyone can say it to you and it won’t change much. I’m aware of that. But also, you haven’t been in that situation to actually feel non-repulsed or even to enjoy it. That’s why I’m saying in the future, if you meet someone you’re super close with for a few years and absolutely adore, then those feelings of repulsion will probably go away. That won’t happen anytime soon, but in the future. BELIEVEEE

[thorny steeple]

Unfortunately, that's what happens here. Whites in Brazil used to be lords and socially they're still seen as that

[sonic lion]

That’s being realistic? That’s the opposite. Your environment does not dictate reality

And your observations are not impartial

[thorn lagoon]

The asian will be the new master in town 😈

[sonic lion]

It’s rooted in your subjectivity

[dapper laurel]

It's the best choice rn, time to time, the perfect girl will find me

[thorn lagoon]

Soon

[thorny steeple]

I thought not wanting to be intimate to someone was something normal, no need to use this sort of label

[dapper laurel]

If my environment is not reality, what is reality? By any chance unicorns and elves?

[thorn lagoon]

The great replacement😈

[sonic lion]

I think it’s normal too but people don’t

[viscid vessel]

what Asian btw

[thorn lagoon]

Indians, Chinese, etc

[thorny steeple]

Just like you who don't want that either. But as man... The roles change

[dapper laurel]

Right, we don't need you

[viscid vessel]

what town

[thorn lagoon]

Don't take it too seriously

[viscid vessel]

bet

[thorn lagoon]

Is "men going their own way" another term for incel?

[thorny steeple]

exceptions create with opportunity saaar
do you get that . that means a normal person would love some unattractive when
they did something good for them . do you understand dumbash saaaar

[dapper laurel]

So what happens if I go to Brazil?

[sonic lion]

Reality is unknown to us. But pragmatically, you could educate yourself with people who actually make studies in the area and critically analyze them and then forme and opinion. Being a realistic person is recognizing both sides of the coin and making a fair point, it’s being skeptical. Your observations could be wrong and you seem only to want to confirm a bias

[sonic lion]

Lmao

[thorn lagoon]

You're wrong, saaar
Not everyone is opportunistic and cynical as you, saar

[sonic lion]

Yeah, must be harder for asexual men

[dapper laurel]

I have read the first two lines of the message, and I abandon the conversation with you, your argument is fallacious, reality is something material and precise

[sonic lion]

Yes but unlike incels they have a superiority complex even bigger

[sonic lion]

So you’re a materialist?

[thorny steeple]

listen exception doesn't rule the world
be real mate cya 🤝

[sonic lion]

Even materialists recognize what I said but anyway

[coral bane]

I must agree (also hi)

[thorny steeple]

cya mate

[thorn lagoon]

Iam being real.

[dapper laurel]

No, I'm just saying that reality is what can be perceived by our senses, all imaginary abstractions are not reality

[coral bane]

So, you think that what's real is what we can/want to perceive ?

[thorn lagoon]

Nominalist heretic

[agile tulip]

i've been trying to understand what the topic here is

[dapper laurel]

In this world, in earthly reality, yes, faith is something else if you are asking this

[coral bane]

No, I'm wondering if so people with mental issues are seeing a "real world" as you state...

[thorny steeple]

If you go to Southern Brazil, you can pass as a local.
But tough question.

[manic juniper]

There is a reality but it will never be perceived by anyone

[dapper laurel]

People with mental health problems are a statistical minority, so they don't count

[coral bane]

I can understand

[manic juniper]

It doesn't make sense from an evolutionary perspective either, no organism needs or would be able to perceive all of reality

[thorn lagoon]

The real realism is idealism

[coral bane]

So you think the Reality with a big R is unreachable ?

[sonic lion]

Just because it scapes our limited sensory capacity doesn’t mean it’s imaginary abstraction. Color is something phenomenological, it doesn’t exist outside of our mind who can’t even perceive the whole variable of existent spectrum of light

[manic juniper]

It can't be, from an evolutionary standpoint already. We can see more colours than most other mammals, yet we still miss other waves perceived by most birds and lizards for example

[coral bane]

I learned that if we could perceive radio waves, it would be seen and not heard

[thorn lagoon]

L take from a catholic

[sonic lion]

Yeah physics is so interesting

[manic juniper]

You cannot see behind you, a scorpion can, but a scorpion barely perceives depth compared to you

[thorny steeple]

They are talking about that from a human perspective

[thorn lagoon]

Catholic materialism?

[sonic lion]

lmao

[manic juniper]

It's no different

[thorn lagoon]

I thought all the church fathers were idealist/platonist

[manic juniper]

No human will ever be able to especially because it would require new brain cells

[coral bane]

That actually blew my mind because myy little overthinking brain realized that perception is everything

[thorn lagoon]

Reality with big R is God

[thorny steeple]

Indeed. And all those modern philosophers opposed it highly

[dapper laurel]

Faith has nothing to do with this, God is real because he manifested himself with Jesus (Jesus is god, and there have been testimonies that he really existed) so I can be Catholic using this rhetoric

[sonic lion]

As a brain student I agree, it drives me nuts

[sonic lion]

Wtf

[coral bane]

I'm glad you can have faith in something

[thorn lagoon]

Saying abstractions and universal are just imaginary is against catholicism
That's an inherently materialistic position

[sonic lion]

He literally ignores all the evidence against his little points

[thorny steeple]

What do you define as reality from a human perspective

[manic juniper]

I already stated it, it's always incomplete, what we perceive is reality but it's incomplete

[thorn lagoon]

Not a matter of faith

[dapper laurel]

You haven't understood, Catholicism also overcomes these useless logical quibbles for the reasons I told you before

[coral bane]

Oh really ? That's wonderful, I guess you're ripping our hair on some questions about our brain

[coral bane]

It's your conviction at least

[sonic lion]

Not everything we perceive is necessarily reality, our brain is flawed and can create stuff

[thorny steeple]

I'm heterosexual but practice celibacy voluntarily

[dapper laurel]

And I also said I'm not materialistic

[dapper laurel]

So why argue any more

[thorn lagoon]

That's why empiricism naturally leads to skepticism

[manic juniper]

Yes, sometimes those exist because we can't understand or perceive all of it, just like we can't see the true colour of many birds

[sonic lion]

So change your statement

[thorny steeple]

I think we just haven't done that yet, humans develop themselves from era to era and discover what's new. Someday there'll be nothing left.

[manic juniper]

Biologically impossible

You need infinite capabilities

[thorny steeple]

Machines can help us

[thorn lagoon]

Or to relativism

[manic juniper]

Machines are limited too

[sonic lion]

Relativism is the most concerning thing in postmodernism

[thorn lagoon]

No, I'm just saying that reality is what can be perceived by our senses, all imaginary abstractions are not reality

[sonic lion]

Lol

[thorn lagoon]

This is just empiricism and empiricism naturally leads to materialism

[sonic lion]

Simple minds seek simple answers

[thorn lagoon]

I don't know much about postmodernism

[sonic lion]

Trying to define reality is almost impossible

[sonic lion]

It’s a really interesting and vast camp of thinking

But quite annoying and hopeless idk

[thorn lagoon]

Also David Hume's black swan problem against induction and empiricism as a means of knowledge.

No amount of observations of white swans can allow the inference that all swans are white, but the observation of a single black swan is sufficient to refute that conclusion.”

[thorny steeple]

As if urs was that developed

[thorn lagoon]

Empiricism alone will always lead to skepticism

[sonic lion]

Yesss

[sonic lion]

True but at least I’m not pretentious

[thorny steeple]

We're all here to learn. One is only simple if they have hit their maximux level on that.

[sonic lion]

Studying epistemology is a good way to question everything around you

[thorny steeple]

Are you an philosophy undergrad student?

[sonic lion]

I’m here to critique

[thorny steeple]

Criticize*

[sonic lion]

Both works

[sonic lion]

No

[manic juniper]

It'd be "for critique" I think

[thorn lagoon]

Primitive men observed by senses that the sun comes up from the east and set to the West .
But, the Sun is stationary relative to the earth and it's actually the earth that rotates and revolves around the sun
Sense perception can always be mistaken

[sonic lion]

Barely know anything about philosophy

[thorny steeple]

What's your field?

[sonic lion]

Psychology and neuroscience

[sonic lion]

Yeah me too

[thorny steeple]

Critique to me sound more like a noun than properly a verb to be used after 'for'. Anyway, that doesn't matter much we all make mistakes

[coral bane]

Oh a French word

[sonic lion]

I don’t even care about english mistakes anymore

[coral bane]

It's passionating in my opinion

[thorny steeple]

Modern English is Germanic French

[sonic lion]

Yeah if you like questions results and fundamentals

[coral bane]

Fair enough 😭

[thorny steeple]

Me neither

[sonic lion]

It would drive me insane

[coral bane]

Understandable

[manic juniper]

Mistakes happen in conversations like these

[thorny steeple]

We're not on an Ielts writing task

[sonic lion]

And that’s fine. Gramatical rules only exists to stop a language for changing over time

[thorny steeple]

I thought they existed because things need a pattern to function

[thorn lagoon]

Based guy

[sonic lion]

That’s absurd. Other societies without gramatical rules or even any form of writing still function

If a language communicates, it’s functional

[dapper laurel]

And I also explained that God is not an imaginary abstraction, did you read what I wrote? Do I have to explain it to you with pictures?

[sonic lion]

Your explanation is awful

And it’s not proof of anything

[thorn lagoon]

You said, "reality is what is perceived by the senses"

You seen to be not getting the logical consequences of your statement

[dapper laurel]

Jesus is god, Jesus truly existed, therefore he could be perceived by the senses of the people of the time, ergo I'm right 👍🏻🤠

[thorn lagoon]

Can you perceive God with senses?

[sonic lion]

I can say I’m God’s daughter as well, that doesn’t make me so

[dapper laurel]

This is faith and it's something else lol

[sonic lion]

I also believe Jesus actually existed, but I believe he was a normal person

[sonic lion]

Faith is not based on logic or any material evidence, how can you justify faith in that perspective?

[thorn lagoon]

Then why do Christian mystic focuses on the Ineffability of God and the nothingness of God?
They even compared God with absolute darkness beyond all comprehension by mind

[viscid vessel]

can't imagine that would be said by Emma

[thorn lagoon]

Gregory of Nyssa

[dapper laurel]

Second fallacious argument

[thorn lagoon]

The Jesus you perceived is the Union of hypostasis logos and a human being

[sonic lion]

There’s historical evidences for his existence. Of course it could be wrong, I’m still skeptical. I’m atheist still

[sonic lion]

Proof?

[thorn lagoon]

Hypostatic union

[dapper laurel]

It's simply the Trinity, if you can't understand this I can't help you

[thorn lagoon]

The Trinity died on the cross?

[viscid vessel]

okay interesting anyway it's surprising to see a left or right wing say stuffs like this

[sonic lion]

Why?

[dapper laurel]

Only his physical image, not his spiritual one

[manic juniper]

Most historians think that a Jesus-like individual existed, it's not that absurd

It doesn't have to do with political orientation

[viscid vessel]

because you are an atheist.

[dapper laurel]

What kind of Christianity did you study lil bro?

[thorn lagoon]

No, I already answered what you are going to say

[thorn lagoon]

.

[sonic lion]

Just because I recognize the evidence of his existence doesn’t mean I believe he’s god’s son tho

[thorn lagoon]

In precise Christian terminology

[main bison]

where do u believe we go after death?

[thorn lagoon]

Can you perceive the Trinity with senses?

[sonic lion]

Death is just recomposition of matter

Without brain activity our perception simply does not exist anymore

[main bison]

Jesus =son and prophet of god
GOD=father ,the creator of anything
Okay? this 2 cannot be the same thing

[sonic lion]

If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not

[dapper laurel]

It has nothing to do with it, you have to have faith

[main bison]

so ur going to literally nothing?

[dapper laurel]

It is the Trinity, you Muslims cannot understand it

[sonic lion]

Yes

[main bison]

nah u vaticans cannot understand

[thorn lagoon]

Trinity is incoherent

[main bison]

Do all Atheists think the same?

[manic juniper]

I thought Islam was created because of its simplicity

[thorn lagoon]

Only Ontological subordination of the son makes sense

[thorny steeple]

There are enough evidence of his existence based off oral tradition. The only "argument" that points for him not to have existed is the lack of documents in Judea / Rome. But, guess, there are more evidence pointing to His existence than to the one of Socratis.

[thorn lagoon]

I mean it lines up with neo-platonism very well

[dapper laurel]

You know water? it can exist in three different forms but it is always water

[thorny steeple]

His first mention on documents was made by Josephus, a Roman-Jew, in 90 CE.
But it's quite stupid to doubt he existed historically

[main bison]

whaaat
Ur telling me god is waterr?
Are u high?

[sonic lion]

I suppose so

[thorn lagoon]

But , it can't simultaneously be in three forms

[dapper laurel]

No, I really can't handle this brother, it was an example

[thorn lagoon]

One logical flaw to your analogy buddy

[sonic lion]

Good point

[manic juniper]

But God doesn't have the features of water lol

Supposing he exists he could have all three forms at once

[thorn lagoon]

Forms mean distinction within itself

Having distinction destroys simplicity

I mean metaphysical simplicity

[dapper laurel]

Maybe you can't understand with what I said, but this image may be useful to you buddy

[manic juniper]

God doesn't have to follow any rule or law, it's not something natural

[thorn lagoon]

That's why Plotinus disagree with Aristotle on the Intellect being the first princiole

Because Intellect has object and subject dichotomy

And is not metaphyically simple enough

[main bison]

so are u telling me that the son raped his mother before he borned?

[thorn lagoon]

Knower and the known

[manic juniper]

no it's called parthenogenesis

A self cloning lizard doesn't violate herself to make a clone

[main bison]

What is that

[manic juniper]

Asexual reproduction

[thorn lagoon]

Then we can make up anything about what God is.

[thorn lagoon]

Incoherent

[sonic lion]

What is a mesozoic xenonationalist?

[main bison]

but wait in this logic god is limitless okay? so cannot be limited to only 3 forms? so maybe all of us and all livinging and unliving things in the world are God?

[manic juniper]

Yes, I'm an atheist so I agree

[manic juniper]

Xenonationalist is someone that is a nationalist for a nation they are not part of, and Mesozoic is the time period where reptiles were dominant and reached their diversity peak

[hushed seal]

Hi

How are you

[sonic lion]

So you’re homesick for a place that no longer exists

[main bison]

bruh it's just normal math problem
look
father=god
Son=god
Then the father must be son but ur telling me it isnit?ur being nonsense

[manic juniper]

If God is limitless in power why can't he limit his form lol seriously I'm an atheist but those conclusions are easy to reach

[thorn lagoon]

God is absolute One and there is no distinction within it

[manic juniper]

Yes sorta, I am a reptile xenonationalist of sort that misses those times

[sonic lion]

That’s kinda cool