🧠｜serious-chat

[summer parcel]

well they got it first

[vital abyss]

I mean

[summer parcel]

not like we wanted to have nukes to begin with

we have nukes for deterrence

[vital abyss]

Nobody wants it, the only reason to have a gun is because someone else has it too.

the same thing happens with nukes

[cedar shuttle]

Yes such is the case for all nuclear powers in imperial periphery

[feral river]

I think because they don’t have it so they think everyone doesn’t need it

But actually nuclear power is an actual power

[cedar shuttle]

yes very true

[summer parcel]

the americans used the nukes on the japanese not for world peac

[feral river]

There is no doubt that nuclear power is powerful

[summer parcel]

only benefited themselves

[vital abyss]

no one needs them in the first place, tell me a single reason that doesn't depend on another human why you would want a nuke

[feral river]

Who has nuclear power who gets more powerful

[feral river]

They need a nuke for power

The power of destroying enemies

Like weapon development

[vital abyss]

okay, that's a reason that depends on another human

you are reinforcing my point.

xd

[feral river]

World is not 1 person

[vital abyss]

.

[feral river]

World is diverse, complicated

[summer parcel]

well explain why did america go for the developpment of nukes

nobody had it before them

[cedar shuttle]

Do you think if every country put down their nukes today that tomorrow USA will put down their nukes forever

[summer parcel]

they were the first with the gun

[cedar shuttle]

Yes exactly

[vital abyss]

that's why people want guns because others have them, because that gives power, and you don't want to not have power, alright?

[feral river]

That’s bullshit, only few countries has nukes, nuke ensure the security and stability of the globe but they didn’t realize

Because I’m able to destroy you, forever based on nuclear power

[cedar shuttle]

I am asking Gaia

[feral river]

So they won’t start war against each other and both goes to death

[vital abyss]

because they are imperialists, and how every megalomaniac wants to control everything

[cedar shuttle]

Minecraft I am agreeing with you i dont think you know what i mean there

[gaunt bronze]

That’s a pretty wrong perspective.

[summer parcel]

exactly u just renforced my point

[cedar shuttle]

Yes true

[feral river]

They are nothing compared with a nuclear power

[gaunt bronze]

Canada is somewhat pinned by American influence, that cannot be doubted, but we still have a lot of choice.

[vital abyss]

okay, and you think that's okay?

[summer parcel]

america wanted nukes because they are imperialist power hungry fools

[vital abyss]

or not?

[summer parcel]

and make everyone race for nukes

[gaunt bronze]

We don’t have nuclear power but our closest alliance is the world’s most influential and powerful country.

[summer parcel]

not alliance

[vital abyss]

people want power because someone else has it

[summer parcel]

more under their thumb

[vital abyss]

It is the constant search for power

[gaunt bronze]

They have a great amount of influence but that’s exaggerating it too much.

[summer parcel]

when america imposed tarrifs on their allies i couldnt believe they would treat economic (partners)

like that like enemies

[gaunt bronze]

Canada has some sanctions on the U.S.

[vital abyss]

That point is undeniable.

[summer parcel]

they just think they better than everyone else and have to protect their economy first

[gaunt bronze]

But our relationship with the United States is still quite healthy.

[summer parcel]

no they dont

[gaunt bronze]

Um, they do.

[summer parcel]

on what

[gaunt bronze]

I forget but I know they do

Our relationship with the U.S. is still more healthy than unhealthy.

[summer parcel]

this is official governement of canada website

[gaunt bronze]

We get many benefits for being scrupulously close with them.

[gaunt bronze]

That list is incomplete.

[summer parcel]

healthy for US

[summer parcel]

so your governemeent website is incomplete and not updated?

[cedar shuttle]

Lol

[summer parcel]

you guys really should throw trudeau out

[gaunt bronze]

Um no?

[cedar shuttle]

AnB you are so great lol

[summer parcel]

he really embezzled millions of taxpayer dollars on vacations

[gaunt bronze]

There was a literal thing that said (on the government page) that they had sanctions.

[summer parcel]

Fight stupid with stupid

[gaunt bronze]

Oh at least we can throw them out!

[cedar shuttle]

What?

[summer parcel]

what

[cedar shuttle]

AnB you are marxist? I can invite you to good marxist Chinese study server

If you want

[summer parcel]

We had a good conversation before you started to kiss america shoes

i dont understand why you changed your views so quickly

[summer parcel]

not marxist chinese

i dont believe in marxism that much

[gaunt bronze]

I am not kissing the shoes of the U.S.

[cedar shuttle]

Ok, that's ok

[summer parcel]

socialism yes but not marxism

[gaunt bronze]

I am just in favour of fundamental human rights, and good governance.

[summer parcel]

such irony in a single sentence

you can not have good governance with human rights

[gaunt bronze]

Pardon? I’m not following.

[summer parcel]

impossible

[gaunt bronze]

In China, it would seem so, but there’s clearly not the latter or former.

[cedar shuttle]

Yes, naturally it took bad governance to lift 800 million people out of poverty in 40 years

[gaunt bronze]

I’ve talked about that before. It is impressive, no doubt.

However, China still remains a totalitarian nation with many questions on human rights and development.

It’s 10:47 p.m. for me so I’m trying my best not to turn this into a debate.

But it seems inevitable as we’ve grown up very different, and in countries with basically polar ideologies.

[summer parcel]

Im sorry what?

[gaunt bronze]

I hope yk, it won’t concocte hate or anything like that.

[summer parcel]

For a good governement that is good for the people

you need

[gaunt bronze]

China obviously doesn’t have good governance and human rights—it doesn’t even have one of those.

[summer parcel]

the respect of Law, Social Order

when u dont have those

your society is doomed to fail

[cedar shuttle]

👍👍

[summer parcel]

yes america has

[gaunt bronze]

^ I should go I respect your opinions but I whole-heartedly disagree with some of your opinions.

[summer parcel]

capital riots

In china its unbelievable that the parlement of the state would be overrun by traitors

[vital abyss]

I agree but probably not for the same reasons.

[summer parcel]

you simply cannot have people rioting and protesting against the government

the government does everything to help the people

and when the people scream inequalities or some bullshit reason to riot

they are ungrateful

[vital abyss]

It will depend on the type of government, right?

[summer parcel]

yes

[vital abyss]

I doubt that a government like Thatcher's would have worked like that.

mainly with a woman who called parasites to people who received social assistance

[thorny steeple]

u aint a beginner

[vital abyss]

I don't know how English is, but I'm mainly anarcho-communist.

not marxist

[summer parcel]

anarcho-communist

interesting concept

not to offend you but it wouldnt work

[vital abyss]

Peter Kropotkin is a good author on the subject

[summer parcel]

in an anarchic society, there isnt rule of law

and can you make sure everyone has equal assets riches

[cedar shuttle]

Abolition of capital is only possible under guidance and supervision of the vanguard

[summer parcel]

impossible

[vital abyss]

There is no state, which does not mean that there is no law.

[cedar shuttle]

Or dictatorship of the proletariat

[summer parcel]

capital is good and bad

[summer parcel]

then it cannot be communist

[rose eagle]

Yep

[summer parcel]

how will you distribute ressources evenly

if you dont have a govrnment

humans are greedy creatures

[cedar shuttle]

And how will you protect from external danger like invasion

Or internal like counter revolution

[vital abyss]

It would be ideal if we promote fair cooperativism and the redistribution of property

[summer parcel]

then it would just be communism

not anarcho

why did u choose to add anarcho anways

[vital abyss]

Not everything is achieved through centralization, it is a very historicist perspective.

[summer parcel]

who is we

we is someone or a group of people

and it usually is a governement

[summer parcel]

nothing is acheived without centralization

[cedar shuttle]

No socialist experiment has ever been close to success with out centralization of capital first

[summer parcel]

maybe you should review your political studies as you are quite misinformed on the subject

[vital abyss]

because with anarchism I mean a society where there is no monopoly of power, neither in the hands of the state, nor in the hands of the market, a society with a horizontal structure of power, different from the hierarchies that have operated in the history of humanity. .

[cedar shuttle]

Explain a horizontal structure of power

[summer parcel]

simply impossible

[vital abyss]

That is reductionism, how could you prove that it is so in all cases?

[cedar shuttle]

So there is governance but it's horizontal structure

[summer parcel]

if you are living in farytell land maybe

but this real world

[summer parcel]

a society needs a governement

[vital abyss]

Yes, the closest thing would be a direct democracy

[cedar shuttle]

How will you protect it from counter revolution and capitalist roaders

Surelly you will have worker's council to operate the direct democracy

[summer parcel]

your political ideology is simply unviable

[cedar shuttle]

Lol

[vital abyss]

I keep saying, give formal proof of that, otherwise you are going to make an error in your argument, because something has been like that does not mean that it continues to be that way, it is the is-ought problem raised several years ago by hume

[vital abyss]

Ah, the point is that people wake up and realize that this system is simply better, it will be the weight of the majority, to the point of forming an emerging society

[summer parcel]

1. Impossible to redistribute resources equally without a government (not even centralized)
2. Humans have evolved to be greedy. How can you prevent the amassing of ressources or power?
3. If its an anarchic society, there isnt a rule of law therefore it cancels out your "communist utopia"

i could state even more points

[cedar shuttle]

Yes redistribution of resources is very important point

[vital abyss]

Do you think ants operate like a dictatorship? Or do you question power? No, they simply live that way, because there is no other way to live, they cooperate because that makes them continue, it should be the same with man

[cedar shuttle]

Especially in the case of mass production

[summer parcel]

Please dont dehumanize us by comparing us to ants

[summer parcel]

did ants ever go to space

[vital abyss]

1. That is an axiom without semantic validity, there is nothing to prove it other than historical events.

[summer parcel]

did ants ever build suseful societies

[cedar shuttle]

Well, can you explain how redistribution and mass production will work

[vital abyss]

2. that does not mean that culture cannot be altered, in fact it is already proven by studies that the majority of people are reciprocal altruists

[summer parcel]

please educate yourself before pulling out words you dont even know

[cedar shuttle]

Without a state

[summer parcel]

axiom without semantic validity

what does that even mean

i am not ignorant

[vital abyss]

3. I suppose it is valid from a Marxist perspective to see it that way, but I repeat, I am not a Marxist.

[cedar shuttle]

AnB is not marxisr

[summer parcel]

i have simply never seen anything like this in my life

[summer parcel]

Reciprocal Altruism (or Reciprocity)
Reciprocal altruism (according to Trivers) is altruism that occurs between unrelated individuals when there will be repayment (or at least the promise of repayment) of the altruistic act in the future (Trivers, 1971). (Hamilton objected to this use of altruism, and suggested ‘reciprocity’ instead). An example is mutual grooming among many birds and mammals. Mutual assistance between members of different species is called mutualism or symbiosis (e.g., cleaner fish clean the mouths of larger fish, which in turn refrain from eating them).

[vital abyss]

That is literally a fallacy, bacteria did not go to space and some lived a million times longer than you and any of us.

[summer parcel]

what does mutualism have to do with socialpolitical

its biology

[summer parcel]

how is that a fallacy

its simply a fact

[summer parcel]

and comparing us to bacteria is again dehumanizing

what does that have to do with anything

[vital abyss]

That you are stating that something is like that simply for the sake of it, is how the axioms of arithmetic, mathematics is in part a conventionalism, this is proven from Gödel's incompleteness theorems, if you want I invite you to read about metalology

[vital abyss]

that we share different points of what a successful society is

[summer parcel]

how is 1 a statement without logic

[vital abyss]

I am an ethical naturalist

[summer parcel]

you simply dodge all my questions and arguments by saying they are illogical or flawed

if you refuse to communicate or explain your points using logic, there is simply no point in discuss anything further

[vital abyss]

I remind you that I don't speak English, I have to translate what you say to answer you, that's why sometimes obvious questions are because I'm going one by one.

[vital abyss]

It's obvious that you don't know what semantic validity is, so have you ever studied logic?

[summer parcel]

metalogy isnt even a word

[vital abyss]

traduction error

metalogic**

metalogic theory

[summer parcel]

metalogic, the study and analysis of the semantics (relations between expressions and meanings) and syntax (relations among expressions) of formal languages and formal systems. It is related to, but does not include, the formal treatment of natural languages.
????

language?

[summer parcel]

please dont attack me using flawed arguments

[vital abyss]

yes that is the definition of metalogic

[summer parcel]

pulling out unknown words from an unfamiliar domain isnt pertinent

in this conversation

we are talking about socialpolitical

not logic or language

you started the convo

so i thought you understand this domain

[vital abyss]

Let's see if we follow a theory of truth by correspondence, something is true as long as it has empirical validity, that is, it is verifiable, or it has logical validity, that is, the truth is contained in the premises. Kant already made this distinction long ago with the analytical-synthetics,

[summer parcel]

this has nothing to do with socialpolitcalism

please use a better translator

the gibberish you typed makes no sense

[vital abyss]

Saying that societies cannot function any other way because they simply function the way they do does not make logical sense, because it is not falsifiable in the first place.

[summer parcel]

ive never said that

please answer my 1,2,3 points above

[vital abyss]

probably because I'm talking about philosophy, which precedes any debate about politics in the first place, right?

[summer parcel]

using words and expressions from socialpolitcalism

[vital abyss]

.

[summer parcel]

how is whatever you said above anything have to do with philosophy

and only politcal philosophy has to do with politics

not philosophy itself

[vital abyss]

You literally said "that only works in fairy tales, reality is reality"

[summer parcel]

anarcho communism wont work

ive stated my arguments why

and you never answered them

you deviated from our subject talking about axioms and philo

goodbye its impossible to communicate through a translator

[vital abyss]

Ok, that's silly, to give just one example, the ethical system that validates is going to totally change how you do politics, the same with your notions of what is true and what is not, your notions of how language works, of how it is behaves. people, that they are a person in the first place, you can't simply separate a field from everything else and pretend that it is an isolated area, knowledge is multidisciplinary.

[vital abyss]

It is really possible but there is not enough time to do it.

[tropic nymph]

Ooh, so what is the topic?

[feral river]

That’s because they have nuclear power doesn’t mean that you have nuclear power

If you have nuclear power then you are capable to become your team leader not listening your boss

But we are the boss of ourselves

[vital abyss]

Talk is dead, I can have complex conversations in Spanish but the fact that it is in another language makes it more challenging

:/

[feral river]

I think there is no doubt nuclear power is powerful and who have it who has power to threat other entity and protect themselves

If Ukraine has nuclear power there is no Ukraine war

Hamas has nuclear power there is no Israel

That’s pretty ez

[tropic nymph]

If Hamas had nuclear power to bomb Israel they too would be affected due to their close proximity. I don't think it would work out too well. Then again, Hamas is known for engaging in the extremes for their cause.
Israel has nuclear power but excercises it wisely due to this fact.

[feral river]

That’s true, but they won’t easily do this since the war started

The war possibly never starts because both sides are nuclear power

They do have ability to destroy another one and it’s literally no benefit for them, if they are under threat they will use them definitely for protecting themselves

[tropic nymph]

And Hamas is an Islamic based group. Jerusalem and Israel currently have many Islamic landmarks they wouldn't want to destroy. Therefore, I don't think Hamas could bomb Israel without destroying the territory they want.

[feral river]

Just like allies used nuclear weapons against empire of Japan, to save millions of allies soldiers

[summer parcel]

No i think what @feral river means

is if hamas has nukes

it would use as deterrence against israel

bombing yourself is suicidal

just like why israel has nukes

to deter arab states from ever invading again

[feral river]

I think no doubt that nuclear weapons = absolute power

Idk why you guys debating on this

[summer parcel]

im not

[summer parcel]

what do u thing of anarcho-communist

[feral river]

Because they don’t have nukes and they don’t wanna be threatened by nuclear power so they promote dismantle all of the nukes around the world

[summer parcel]

i was arguing with guy

and he refused to listen to my arguments

only using weird words

[tropic nymph]

Hmm

[feral river]

I see

[summer parcel]

if you scroll up

[feral river]

I would say what type of governance you think it’s good

[tropic nymph]

I feel like more governments would work if people had less of a tendency to be corrupt when given power.

[summer parcel]

yes in an ideal world

humans are greedy

simply in our genes

cannot change

if our ancestors werent greedy, they would have starved

[manic juniper]

Parrots aren't greedy and they aren't starving

It's just mammalian stupidity

[tropic nymph]

Mm

[summer parcel]

huh?

please explain

[manic juniper]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/parrots-share-currency-help-their-pals-purchase-food-180973917/

[summer parcel]

well idk but starving "things" usually are greedy

doesnt matter if its a mammal or an inveterate

[manic juniper]

Monkeys prostitute their way out of poverty, while other monkeys hoard wealth

Mammals are inherently stupid

They will not cooperate or tolerate unlike their dinosaurian counterparts

[summer parcel]

sure...

[tropic nymph]

I think in this case, J. R. R. Tolkien was right by saying, "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world”

That's to say, if people were less greedy and more kind and had fellowship with one another, it would be a happy world.

[manic juniper]

Humans created dragons as a reflection of themselves and their deepest desires, but real dragons (reptiles) are capable of living carelessly unlike mammals

As long as people will keep denying their mammalian nature and wishes they'll keep falling for it, instead of fighting and triumphing over it everyday

[manic juniper]

Based, bacteria achieved things that we could never

[feral river]

My question is, why they are so good but world is under human’s rule 🤣🤣

[manic juniper]

The world isn't under human rule

If it was mosquitoes would be extinct

If it was all the viruses and bacteria that negatively affect us would be extinct

If it was there wouldn't be competing human groups

[feral river]

Do you know what is live, what is rule

[manic juniper]

Humans are attention seeker idiots that play with big weapons to feel better about their physical inferiority

[feral river]

You are living doesn’t mean that you are ruling

[manic juniper]

There are krills in Antarctica that outweigh all humans combined

So we are not even the heaviest combined biomass

[feral river]

Aren’t that useful for human ?

[vital abyss]

work together and survive for millions of years, it is undoubtedly possible that if we continue like this, human beings will not achieve that

[manic juniper]

No

[feral river]

Pick one thing useless for human that exist in this world

Pick one thing

[manic juniper]

Unless we are able to leave behind our mammalian nature and copy the superior psittacin (parrot) lifestyle, which I think is perfectly possible since people do or did it in the past

[manic juniper]

Mosquitoes? Viruses that kill us? Bacteria that kill us? Cancer?

[feral river]

That’s not you can make mosquitoes extinct because it has food chain on this planet if you extinct them you will be affected definitely

[manic juniper]

Humans aren't all powerful, they think that technology makes them superior. Most people can't build a dam, while a beaver can. Are beavers superior to most people? I'll say yes, despite being mammals they triumphed over their flaws and greed to build successful dam societies

[feral river]

You can eliminate some of them but you can’t extinct them

[manic juniper]

Humans already drove to extinction countless beings, they didn't drive mosquitoes to extinction because they're incapable of it, not because it's useful. Do you really think humans are responsible? Lol

Humans literally drained one of the largest bodies of water and a very important one too, the Aral Sea, they keep polluting and industrialising their own demise. They're not smart, they can't see behind their fleshy, non-bony mammalian noses

[feral river]

Human for themselves🤣

They are responsible for themselves

Not for this planet

[manic juniper]

And once humans will be too late to avoid extinction reptiles will rise once more and start a new Mesozoic

[feral river]

Human is actually always responsible for themselves not other stuff

That’s the simple fact maybe you know that

[manic juniper]

They'll achieve the ultimate technology to reverse the age of the universe, saving not only this planet but the entire cosmo

[feral river]

Yeah so good luck to save the cosmo

idfc

Most people don’t care then

[manic juniper]

Because they failed to reject their mammalian nature

They live trapped in their own flawed frame of morality

[feral river]

Morality is not eternal, interest is eternal

Everyone cares interest, morality serves the interest for majority

[manic juniper]

Is that why Homo neanderthalensis went extinct? Lol

[feral river]

I think I don’t need any further explanation about this

[manic juniper]

Homo sapiens will join them as well, soon

[feral river]

Why would you think they don’t deserve to be extinct

Have you ever heard of evolution?

[manic juniper]

No one deserves anything

That's not what evolution means

[feral river]

How is that make sense

[manic juniper]

Evolution means change of morphology and genetics over time, that's more about natural selection

[feral river]

Yeah that’s natural selection

Aren’t human part of natural ?

Human is not out of natural

[manic juniper]

Neanderthals died because they didn't embrace the parrot and beaver morality and lifestyle

[feral river]

It’s based on natural

[manic juniper]

Yes, they are mammals, and mammals are flawed

Unlike reptiles

[void bear]

Bro is drawing upon his inner Charles Darwin. I respect you.

[feral river]

You know that’s natural selection why would you say this

I wondered

[manic juniper]

Thanks, may the psittacin (parrot) overlords bless your bloodline and lead them to bioprosperity

Now I'm even making up terms

[feral river]

Because you want to save the world ? Save the every life being in the world ?

Is that what you mean ?

[void bear]

I think all animals are flawed in at least one way. That is what allows them to be killed.

[manic juniper]

no, it isn't up to me, I'm only here to give advice

[void bear]

If they weren’t they would basically be animal super soldiers.

[manic juniper]

Not reptiles, at least that's what they told me

[feral river]

I would say, human is human, be relax

Extinct is a normal thing on this planet

Just like natural selection

[manic juniper]

Most humans are servants of other humans and of vices, that's what stops them from achieving peace. Gaia gets it

It is biological but it can be stopped

[feral river]

They may made a terrible choice to make one thing extinct that damages their own interest

[void bear]

Reptiles are flawed in their size and lacking ability to take down larger prey or predators effectively.

[feral river]

But it doesn’t mean that it’s not make sense

[feral river]

Oh why you think it can be stopped ?

[manic juniper]

Birds are reptiles, they can take down preys much larger than them at times... Also dinosaurs, so they were capable of that and could be again

[manic juniper]

Because I and other people rejected it

Probably she did as well

[void bear]

And yet one of the theories to their extinction is mammals stealing their eggs. A weak state for their young.

[feral river]

You can reject it that’s your freedom

And that’s my freedom to not reject it

[manic juniper]

But dinosaurs are alive today, and their species outnumber that of mammals by almost twice as much. If you add other reptiles alongside birds they're over four times as much species

I think they won in the long run

[feral river]

And I don’t think anyone who has no power could change this planet

🤣 pointless actions

[void bear]

Very much so. Although they do lack the ability that humans have which is to work as a large (somewhat) united community. I don’t know why I am arguing as this isn’t one of my strong suits. Also, my phone is bouta die so I’ll see you guys later! Night!

[thorny steeple]

ooi

[manic juniper]

Goodnight! Parrots may form communities of thousands of individuals, although they do not build much because they don't really need it, they prefer to socialise

[feral river]

That’s a threat to humanity

If you think you are a human and human or yourself is not important than other stuff

I have no idea

I don’t think there is no one not going to resist if another thing is threat your life and you say we need to protect them because if we do that they will extinct

Aren’t that ridiculous ?

We do not promote extinction of species because that will damage our interest that will break environment for HUMAN

For HUMAN not any other stuff

That’s everyone’s interest, every single nation in the world

That’s why we already have actual actions which ensure that our interest won’t be damaged

But it doesn’t mean that logic would work on everyone has their different interests

For example there is massive surveillance in here and why we are not protesting why we are even promoting this ? Because we need security, we think security more important than privacy

But some people in other countries think their privacy has most priority

[jolly agate]

Hello

What is the true path of becoming virtuous

[feral river]

It can’t be stopped because those people can almost never came to power

The people who represent their own people‘s interests will came to power

A monkey can’t pay taxes, can’t vote.

That’s why I said human is ruler here

[covert raptor]

Evolution is fake. Else nature must be sexist and misogynistic for giving us a hard time.

[weary sigil]

🤨

[covert raptor]

Birth pains and cycles. Why couldn't mammals be something different?

Inequality is fixed in nature unless we can change with transhumanism, merge with technology

Xenofeminism or whatever it is called. Biology need not be destiny.

[weary sigil]

If I understand correctly, you're wrestling with biology and nature, asking yourself why don't we use modern technology to get rid of what makes a woman unique.....

[covert raptor]

Yeah, uniqueness doesn't have to do with suffering and pain. Merging with machines, I'd say, is unique making your biological impediments go away.

[fluid bronze]

DO you think that was the aliens who created the life on earth?

[covert raptor]

No clue. It gets circular. Who created the aliens?

[fluid bronze]

Aliens are made by aliens

x)

[covert raptor]

This chain cannot go on forever. It has to stop somewhere.

We get the same question finally, who created that entity?

[fluid bronze]

Ofc i don't know, i have no clue, just the fact that he exist a lot of mysteries about human evolution who supposed an intervention (by technology) but it's just a theory and all it's possible

[feral river]

If I put a gun on your head, you must admit what I say who is created entity.

That’s absolute power

That’s how rule established, that’s why regime exist

Only because one simple factor, power

You can establish nothing without power

And only less people do have power in this world

That’s why some people always purposing dismantle nuclear stuff, weapons, borders, anarchism

Because they are not the people who is getting benefit from those

But their intention to achieve those stuff, is also for power.

Your purpose of benefiting the humanity or the whole world is another excuse for pursuing more power and enforcing your own personal thoughts on other people

And don’t think everyone is stupid, the people in west they know the people in Middle East they know the people in Asia also know it

Especially those leaders, and elites who controls actual power and they do decisions on what they are thinking

The biggest bug of democracy is democracy itself.

But I didn’t promoting authoritarianism, authoritarian have their own problems too. Some even terrible than democratic

[feral river]

I would say your death worth nothing.

if you died because of your belief, you are defeated

that's the same thing because my intention is clear out my enemy, and I give you a chance that you can live but you have to follow my rule

you didn't accept that offer, then you are dead

mission completed

I don't care what is your belief and you choose death or comply, that's not I was choosing, it's you

if you say that your victory is follow your belief so your choice is to die, then it's double win

the only fact in this situation is your existance is a threat to me.

no matter who you are.

I don't care, if you think that is not the end, then go

my intention achieved

that's all enough

I said It's clear if you think you don't fear dead then go for it

my intention is clear out of my enemies, and I did it

what is your belief are you going to heaven or hell, I don't care

are you saying that strength can't control people ?

I know that belief are able to control people

pick one thing I said is against them

I didn't say I was fighting against them

but I would say one thing is clear, absolute power can forcibly control some people and achieve my intention

do I make myself clear ?

I was not talking about control

I was talking my intention is eliminate the enemy

I don't need control

I need kill them

"Send these lifeless mad dogs to hell" Mark Arthur

you are trying to use your belief to confuse me but you failed

I was clearly stating that my intention

did I define which people were controlled ?

a suicide bomber ?

I didn't say that

I didn't even say 'control' thing

that's what you are saying bro

🤣 please check what you are saying and what I'm saying if you think you are objective

It's not the first time I said I don't care your belief.

my intention is important, your belief is not

what if I wanna destory but I give them another chance ?

why can't I ?

did I say anything about control ?

did I ?

it's you are saying this

not me don't put that on me

you think it was, but it's not.

did I make myself clear ?

It's not the first time I was saying my intention in that case, I repeated at least 3 times

and I have already gave out the furture information in that case

I don't know why you are trying to debate on something unnecessary to me

if you think it's hard to control a man with firm belief that he could be a suicide bomber, I agree with you

I don't know but you said you don't care and you jumped 🤣

I assume that, you win

W @wraith birch

gg for me

I remember that Japanese in WW2 says all of their people will start suicide attack against enemies but they are being bombed by nuclear weapons 🤣 🤣 🤣

then surrender

pretty hilarious

actually Japanese suicidal attack is successful, but they still lose the war because the war is not you have spirit to death that you will win

and Palestine... they didn't even succeed to moblize all of their people.

cool

[dry lodge]

Then how are you guys using discord tho?

Just asking because I've been to china a month ago and nothing was working even with vpn💀

[vapid hare]

maybe they allow discord there? idk

[dry lodge]

Nope, didn't work for me

At least where i went it wasn't working

[vapid hare]

huh

[dry lodge]

I used VPNs and DNS changer but nothing worked

[vapid hare]

maybe they have the most secure vpn known to man or smth

[dry lodge]

I dont know but i used many VPNs with free trials and nothing worked💀

[azure whale]

china people are stupid they are slave of government but dont do anything

[dry lodge]

That's why i asked him/her if he/she was really from china china

[vapid hare]

its Xi Jinping's kid

[main bison]

racist

[dry lodge]

I am of chinese nationality but i dont really feel like i was a slave tho?

[vapid hare]

your chinese slave microchip hasn't activated yet then

[dry lodge]

I was born and raised outside of china tho💀

[vapid hare]

your parents implanted the microchip inside you since birth

[azure whale]

All thing in china are slave of goverment not true?

[dry lodge]

What do you even mean by that

[vapid hare]

who is feeding you this information

[dry lodge]

Yea exactly

If you mean that everything in china is owned by the government then absolutely not

A company could be private or state owned

[azure whale]

All social media are filter
If you want to protest they come with tank(i see the video from your protest in china)
All bank are conservativelyis controlled by government
What do you think hum is that not be slaving?

[cedar shuttle]

@azure whale Shut up sinophobe

[dry lodge]

For example alibaba and huawei are 100% private companies

[cedar shuttle]

"All Chinese people are brainwashed androids, all Chinese are stupid"

Shut up, you are sinophobic

Get out of here with your white saviorism

[cedar shuttle]

China has over 100 protests every day

How many times they come with tank or use violence?

Shut up you sinophobe, NOW

[dry lodge]

Thats social media lol

[thorny steeple]

chinese people are great n all but the problem with their government is what they are doing in Xinjiang ngl

[cedar shuttle]

Ok go to visit Xinjiang

[dry lodge]

You only see 1 protest over a few thousands of protests on social media lol

[thorny steeple]

the visa is expensive sorry i cant

[cedar shuttle]

14 muslim ambassadors has visited Xinjiang and seen different re education facilities / correctional facilities. Every muslim majority country endorses China handling of deradicalization

[azure whale]

This protest have a result no!

[cedar shuttle]

The UN publish an assessment of China counter terrorism in Xinjiang

Nothing like what Adrian Zenz says

[thorny steeple]

de-radicalisation? more like secularisation
I dont think you need to lock up old men to "re-educate" them homie

[azure whale]

But is a real!

[cedar shuttle]

The United States government was asked to publish evidence of genocide of Uighurs in Xinjiang. They publish one graph showing that birth rates have be significantly lower since Xinjiang became part of China

There is no evidence of "cultural genocide," this is so stupid and ignorant, go to Xinjiang see the mosques the signs in Turkic language the Uighur language passports say the culture is being removed

I have been in Urumqi, all muslim majority country agree with me

Only USA and western europe condemn xinjiang deradicalization and only evidence is a graph!

Of declined birth rates

[thorny steeple]

hmm... I wonder how the 15 thousand mosques were destroyed tho, must've been the rain, no?

[cedar shuttle]

Lol show me that

There is 250 thousand mosque

[thorny steeple]

if I showed you evidence you would say its sinophobic american information wont you?

[cedar shuttle]

In Xinjiang

[cedar shuttle]

If you show me primary source then I will believe you

If you send me sensationalized secondary source I will laugh at you

[thorny steeple]

alright then

[cedar shuttle]

But I don't think you are sinophobic

[azure whale]

Lol you country filtering the discord dont come there and support the government 😂

[cedar shuttle]

I think you are a good well meaning person, Sh3hri3r is blatant sinophobe though

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

Final assessment by UN based on ALL evidence

[dry lodge]

Just curious but where are you even from

From that name I'd say around the parts of iran

[vapid hare]

I didn't know Iranians were this racist

[cedar shuttle]

Me too friend

[vapid hare]

you learn something new everyday

[azure whale]

Sure my country is not better than china and my country unfortunately friend of goverment of china

[cedar shuttle]

You are Iranian?

[azure whale]

Yep

[vapid hare]

just what are you writing @dry lodge

[dry lodge]

Certainly not every Iranians are racist and this goes for all the countries around the world, but all the people around the western asia that I've met were all kinda toxic but this doesn't mean that every single one of them are like that

[dry lodge]

Was answering a call in reality

[vapid hare]

yea best avoid generalizing stuff

[dry lodge]

Well if i were you I'd watch your own country and stop criticizing other people's country without prior knowledge

[cedar shuttle]

👍

[azure whale]

Come on bro! You really like your country government?!?!??!

[dry lodge]

Never said that

And honestly i dont even care as of now since i dont even live there

[cedar shuttle]

And don't call all Chinese people slave

[vapid hare]

why don't you go criticize your country's government than others then

[cedar shuttle]

Racist

[azure whale]

I criticize but i dont see my people of my country there!

[dry lodge]

Nationalism💀

@cedar shuttle are you currently in mainland china?

[cedar shuttle]

No not current, I go back in July

[dry lodge]

Oh that's unfortunate

[dry lodge]

Do you know any ways to access google or stuff there?

[azure whale]

All the people of this two country are timid and slave because dont want the exisiting government but dont do anything for get rid of the current situation!

[dry lodge]

Or i should just stick bing, bilibili amd wechat?💀

[dry lodge]

Then go protest?

Why are you even here chatting if thats what you think?

[cedar shuttle]

Lol yes, I use mostly Baidu. But foreign VPN, Astrill is good

[azure whale]

If you want to revolution you cant if another people are timid

[dry lodge]

Should try that then when i go back there

[dry lodge]

If you don't start not many are going to start tho

[azure whale]

Try raxol vpn maybe work

[feral river]

Desire of genocide 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[dry lodge]

Tried nord vpn and express but those didnt work well

[vapid hare]

hmmm how are we sure you're not getting paid by Astrill?!

[cedar shuttle]

Lol proof we don't want existing government?!?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[dry lodge]

Didn't connect at all I'd say

[feral river]

Is there anyone desire of genocide ?

[vapid hare]

I do

[cedar shuttle]

Oh no, you find my secret 😂

[azure whale]

They try my vpn i say ammm in iran is work dont know in china

[dry lodge]

Now i want a part of the shares you gain from me using astrill

[dry lodge]

Not many works there

[azure whale]

Look at your people they are slave and want your government see the up comment from pollennn😂😂😂😂

[feral river]

I don’t need even one who has must to be my enemy, no one needs.

[dry lodge]

And china is continuing improving their great firewall

[feral river]

If you will be my enemy I will kill you with no mercy

[cedar shuttle]

Lol we are slave if we don't want our government, we are slave if we want our government?!?!

You are just racist and we are slave either way

[dry lodge]

Honestly i dont even wanna argue with him anymore

I'd rather fight a losing battle than fighting an idiot

[cedar shuttle]

China government lifted me and 800 million other people out of poverty in less than 40 year

[vapid hare]

clearly a troll @dry lodge

[cedar shuttle]

And then you call me stupid slave when I don't want to overthrow them

😂

[feral river]

Chinese government is working for majority of people unlike some minorities

[dry lodge]

You said we bring tanks, sure but you said your country goes directly with killing, you literally pointed the gun at yourself💀

[azure whale]

Look at your people what say😂😂😂

[dry lodge]

A troll is smarter than him

[feral river]

I can consider some people saying that they are suppressing Uyghurs, Muslims and religious people in China because majority of people, 91% of people Han Chinese supports to suppress them

[azure whale]

That is true iran have so fucking poor dictator:/

[silver vault]

I'll advise you to be a bit careful with your words, you can get banned if you continue on being a simpleton

[feral river]

And those Uyghurs Muslims they areindeed criminals

[cedar shuttle]

Thank you

[feral river]

They violated the law of people‘s republic of China

They deserve to be punished

[dry lodge]

Let me tell you something, you wont ever be able to find a government that satisfies everyone

[cedar shuttle]

Yes. This is true. But China has been good with rehabilitation and not punishment!

[dry lodge]

@feral river so are you currently in china mainland?

[feral river]

There is no one, no one likes a criminal

[azure whale]

I say true when the people in china like there dictator is similar like north korea

[feral river]

I’m here ofc

[cedar shuttle]

Rehabilitate and not punish terrorist. This is why there have not been any terrorist attack in Xinjiang since 2017!

[dry lodge]

How are you accessing discord tho?

I've been there a month ago but wasnt working💀

[azure whale]

But the china government attack taiwan soon

[dry lodge]

New lunar year

[feral river]

This is China

[cedar shuttle]

Hahah , Taiwan is already China, we don't need to invade China 😂

[azure whale]

No but they can be dont play with people like dictator!

[feral river]

If that choice most people love, it will definitely happen

No matter what they are

[cedar shuttle]

Yes. China is dictatorship of the majority, of the people

[feral river]

I would say we care our people

[cedar shuttle]

Yes

[feral river]

Not yours, not Taiwanese

[dry lodge]

I'll stop answering because my time is more precious than talking to him

[feral river]

No one cares them in China

Will Arabs care Israelis ?

I don’t think so

[dry lodge]

Those railing do be looking chinese

[azure whale]

If one place of the world do false that is mean all of the world must do it?

[formal scaffold]

They are closer than what u think

[feral river]

Who has power who do it

We are second most powerful state

If you do something on us, just eliminate them

[dry lodge]

Those trees are 99% chinese

[feral river]

Come then

Dare you can come in China

[formal scaffold]

Come where?

[vapid hare]

what's keeping it from being 100%

[dry lodge]

When i went there they were planting trees and stuff and covered the bottom with that white stuff

[formal scaffold]

What???

[azure whale]

Gdp per capita in china is soo looow than another country if dont have human and natural resources come poor than iran

[feral river]

13000 USD ?

[formal scaffold]

Are u high like last time?

[dry lodge]

Was saying thay if i had to guess where i was based on the trees, 99% I'd say we are in china

[feral river]

That’s not bad because we didn’t have that much before

[formal scaffold]

I just said arabs and jews are close

[feral river]

Oh this one u mean ?

[formal scaffold]

-_-

[feral river]

I thought you were threaten me

Haha

[formal scaffold]

Agressive for no reason chill

[dry lodge]

Is this a top secret @feral river?💀

[feral river]

VPN

[azure whale]

You must comparison past of your country with past of another country no with you alive or future!

[feral river]

I’m using VPN to access then

[dry lodge]

Which one tho

[feral river]

Which one ? u wanna join ?

[dry lodge]

I tried probably over 20 vpns and dns changers

[vapid hare]

it's NORD VPN! THE BEST VPN THERE IS!

[cedar shuttle]

Now be quiet , racist troll

[azure whale]

Maybe false?

[dry lodge]

Didnt work

[dry lodge]

Join in what

[feral river]

I don’t use nord and expressvpn

[silver vault]

Can pandas fly?

[dry lodge]

Those we'rent working well for me when i was there

[cedar shuttle]

Yes

[dry lodge]

You never know

[vapid hare]

Nord vpn didn't think you were worthy of it then

[feral river]

Well are you currently in mainland ?

[dry lodge]

Nope

Was there a month ago

[feral river]

Then why would you ask me for VpN🤣

[azure whale]

What is emerging?

[dry lodge]

If i go back there I'd need that for sure😂

[cedar shuttle]

Developing

[azure whale]

Show per capita hahahah😂 dictator!

[formal scaffold]

The sleeping giant

[vapid hare]

I thought China was considered as a developed economy tho?

[cedar shuttle]

That is per capita idioy

[feral river]

Nope

[cedar shuttle]

Idiot*

[dry lodge]

If i was able to use discord and in china i wouldn't be asking you about that

[feral river]

China’s developing state

[cedar shuttle]

No

[vapid hare]

damn

[dry lodge]

China is still developing

[vapid hare]

isn't it like the 2nd biggest economy? I would consider that as developed

[feral river]

too many people

[cedar shuttle]

@azure whale Now shut up racist troll, don't spread lie about economy you don't know about

[feral river]

1.4bil people u know

[dry lodge]

Well being 2nd doesn't mean that we are developed

[dry lodge]

Stop caring about him it's just a waste of time💀

[feral river]

well. my vpn is a little secret you know... not just like buying services from public vpn providers.

[dry lodge]

You wasted probably a few seconds typing that

[vapid hare]

you guys should do culling initiatives then!

[azure whale]

In ranking you are 72!

[dry lodge]

👀

[feral river]

🤣 cool

[cedar shuttle]

People's Gucci 😂

[feral river]

💀 no socialism propaganda

[dry lodge]

Dayum💀

[vapid hare]

darkweb vpn

[dry lodge]

Oohhh

Tor?

I thought about that at one point but acted against that

Better safe than sorry

I'll stick with bing and bilibili

[feral river]

Taiwan's official name is Republic of China 🤣

[cedar shuttle]

[feral river]

I can comprehend that desire of peace, but peace is based on those superpowers

if superpower doesn't want peace, no one will have peace then

so better listening up their voice carefully if their people in some small power nation and still wanna live.

[feral river]

aren't you guys know that superpower have that ability to destroy anyone ?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China

[azure whale]

With out freedom and economy who can give people medium life superpower is mainingless

[feral river]

please read this article.

[vapid hare]

makes sense considering China has over a billion people

[azure whale]

Wiki pedia and the source in 2016? Lolololol

[feral river]

😂 😂 😂 since 2016 is source in 2016

really cool bro

maybe you need to study english first not economy sorry then

my bad my bad.

[azure whale]

Ok i know it but when %80 people can support the economy come higher like usa

[feral river]

where are you from ?

are you from the United States ?

[azure whale]

The country worse than china😂

[feral river]

I would say China having just not bad economy but it doesn't that it has a good economy

[dry lodge]

Iran

What did i miss💀

[dry lodge]

It does make sense tho, we got over 1b people

[thin patio]

Hey what are you talking about?

[azure whale]

Yes but only in important city like beijing or shanghai

[feral river]

well most people in city like me, my family one person can earn about 10000+ CNY around 2000 USD per month

[azure whale]

No matter usa have 400 million and the ranking is 4

[feral river]

what do you think about 2000 USD ?

[dry lodge]

Im sure he wont💀

[thin patio]

the chinese economy seems to get stronger since the last two and a half decades, by investing massively in production and worldwide, however some part of China economy seems to be fragile such has real estate

[feral river]

well... that's a huge problem but I think we are sovling that right now.

especially receiving aids from government

[azure whale]

That is small! we live in poor people in iran and get around 3000!

[vapid hare]

aren't they currently experiencing a deflation problem or smth?

[feral river]

3000 USD per month in iran 😂

[azure whale]

Why not?!?!?!

[feral river]

selling organs ?

[dry lodge]

Dayum thats high what part of china are you in? Like Beijing? Shanghai? Shenzhen?

[feral river]

drugs ?

[feral river]

capital of Shandong, Jinan

[feral river]

almost but not currently.

[azure whale]

No my father is food contractor but sure most people in iran have under 1000 usd per month

[feral river]

just not bad 1000 usd

[dry lodge]

3000 iranian rials😂

[dry lodge]

Thats below beijing right?

[feral river]

yep

not far from Beijing

[azure whale]

The rial is come soooo worthless with this money you cant even buy a chewing gum😂

[dry lodge]

That's inflation

The country continues to print money and it will become worthless

[azure whale]

Super inflation you cant imagine it

[dry lodge]

I dont know that much about china tho

Not counting the last month I've been there, I think it's been more than 10 years since I haven't set foot there

[azure whale]

With 10000000 rial maybe can come two private class session

[dry lodge]

Thats just how economy in certain countries is

[azure whale]

Of course and in. China you cant support the economy too!or when you live in unimportant city you have hard way to live in city like beijing!

[vapid hare]

is an economy supposed to have inflation or deflation btw?

[dry lodge]

First you should improve your english because i couldn't understand half of it, secondly in big cities in china are actually cheaper than most European and us countries

[dry lodge]

That's hard to say, it isn't good to have deflation and neither inflation, I'd say the best one would be a slight and predictable inflation

If the inflation is too fast and unpredictable it's surely gonna hurt the economy

[vapid hare]

ah so a healthy amount of inflation then?

[azure whale]

Acually in most european country they give 5000 7000 usd !

[dry lodge]

If an economy is in deflation that usually means that the economy is in decline

[dry lodge]

I live in europe i can fricking say its not true

Ive been living here since i was born and i know how things are like

In the us you have a higher wage but did you ever see the prices they got?

[vapid hare]

then if an economy's experiencing stagflation that means the economy's stagnating right?

[dry lodge]

Yea

[azure whale]

Your worker in family dont get 5000-7000 monthly!?!?! What is his work!

His or her

[dry lodge]

Most families don't

[clever aurora]

Hello!

[azure whale]

But my family in germany have this !

[clever aurora]

I am new to the server. Can anyone give me an mini tour of ths server please

[azure whale]

Say this in general chat

[dry lodge]

Usually a person here in italy earns round about 1500€ a month

1500 is a good pay already

[azure whale]

!?!?!? Which city?!?!?

[clever aurora]

Ok kind sir. I appreciate your contribution

[dry lodge]

Every city here

[azure whale]

With this you cant travel or have middle life

[dry lodge]

Only difference is milan

And florence

[azure whale]

Rome???

Because rome is capital

[dry lodge]

They do pay more (2000 is round about the wage but usually it's paid half in contract and half undeclared)

[dry lodge]

Rome can be the capital but the pay isn't that different and actually its not even expensive to live in

I've been there for an entire month and there's really not much difference between that and other regions (aside from florence and milan)

[azure whale]

I dont know about italy but in germany cause of living so many people from iran is differend from this you say

[dry lodge]

Germany is different, Firstly their economy is way better than Italy's, and then one thing that you may know is that in germany they tip a lot

[azure whale]

Maybe but the yearly saving money is mostly better than china or iran

[dry lodge]

But higher wages always implies higher prices

[dry lodge]

Thats for sure

There's a reason why some people move out of their country

But if you get a good job in either china or iran you can even stay there and earn big time

[azure whale]

Yes! And thats is show importance of gdp per capita! Who you see migration from monaco or ireland or luxemborg or emirates or qatar or denmark and like this country with have high gdp per capita

[azure whale]

Gdp alone is not important and migration show it

[dry lodge]

Well it's not always a good thing a too high of a gdp per capita tho, usually and increase in gdp per capita means that the economy is going well, meaning more employment and more economy going on, but it could also cause an inflation in market prices

Anyway gotta go have a driving lesson to attend

[azure whale]

Also the best of this ranking experience show they can controll it but yes some country cant controll

[feral river]

only good thing for americans like they can produce their own goods like their price won't goes so much high than europe and most people having middle income

their own industry is full-grown and they are able to produce everything they don't need reliant on other nation

Chinese goods is cheap because of population and incomes, that means in our places it's more even cheap than oversea.

but at least we are capable to produce everything except some chips from taiwan and america

[thorny steeple]

That's fair, but since GDP is that high it might cause issues or less precise distribution and require a lot more complex infrastructure, so other issues that go with it and need to be addressed might occur.

There's always a catch imho.

[feral river]

that's one of a major factor impacts people's living condition.

[thorny steeple]

But not much that can be done about it on the other hand, considering the amount of people and size of the currently acting business models & approaches. It is as it is..

Nevertheless the best compromise to be made, probably.

[feral river]

who said that is not great if it feeds much people.

[thorny steeple]

I just meant it's different, not to be judging.

[feral river]

I'm not judging just a statement relax 🤣

[thorny steeple]

I am.. I think it's neither great nor bad.

It's what works, really.

[vagrant loom]

gm everyone

[azure whale]

In there is night😔😂

[static pivot]

Nice decoration

[main bison]

Hi mine

[feral river]

yo sup

[humble lion]

Is this chat also used for serious proposals?🤔

[main bison]

i've got a question

it's late now so i'll ask it later

[toxic cloak]

Be or not to be?

[dry lodge]

Isn't it like 4am in china💀

[dry lodge]

that is the question

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-bread-dogecoin-bread-yum-doge-1billion-subscribers-1billion-subs-gif-23497656

[sonic lion]

This is not serious dude

[agile orchid]

Can someone help me with a reported speech task please?

[jolly agate]

@thorny steeple @lavish finch @craggy sphinx
sup sup

[agile orchid]

Will you actually help me this time?

Change the direct speech into reported speech: Lorena: "Did Pablo fly to London two weeks ago?"

[thorny steeple]

Hi! 👋

Long time no see.

[jolly agate]

Indeed, been busy, had to log off aye

How ya doing

[thorny steeple]

Same here, it's been a while since the last time I sent a message here in the serious channel.

[thorny steeple]

I'm good, Alhamulillah. How about you?

[jolly agate]

Not by occupation, but by knowledge yeah

[jolly agate]

been good

[thorny steeple]

Nah, I can answer basic questions about English only to be frank.

[jolly agate]

Try asking people in #📚｜english-questions

[dry lodge]

#🗃｜resources would be better tho

[jolly agate]

Flare I will be back aur nice seeing ya

[dry lodge]

I mean you won't get a good feedback from a native💀

[thorny steeple]

If you want to improve your vocabulary, read a lot.
If you want to improve your familiarity wit the language, listen a lot.
If you want to be able to speak fluently and easily, speak a lot and do some tongue twisters, they are great honestly.
If you want to be able to spell words correctly with ease, write a lot, this server is a good place for this very purpose.

[dry lodge]

Realistically speaking it is more likely that someone advanced/fluent would be able to help you the best

A native was born and didn't even have to try that hard to learn it

For example flare who's fluent knows a lot about learning english

If i were to ask you how i should learn arab you wouldn't know many ways since you haven't tried any of them(or at least not many of them)

Ok maybe the arab language is a bit different

[dry lodge]

But a "normal" romance language would follow that reasoning

[thorny steeple]

If you don't have a speaking partner, talk out loud to yourself, imagine a discussion with somebody and let it flow off the top of your head.
You can find many people to practice your speaking skills here in the server though.

[dry lodge]

To me they look like some great advice

Not as of now

[thorny steeple]

😂

[dry lodge]

That's actually what i do💀

When im walking to work I'd just talk to myself in english💀

I'd put an earphone on one ear, fake smiles, fake head shakes and just talk to myself about random things

But works like a charm

I'd be amazed if they knew english💀

Italian

It's got some similarities to english so it's not too hard for me actually

[thorny steeple]

Don't worry! talking to yourself is perfectly normal and can be even beneficial.
You can explain to your father in advance why do you need to take this approach.

Make sure you're doing it the right way, and work hard. The harder you work, the faster you'll improve.

[thorny steeple]

Lol, bro! I do this all the time that my family sometimes sneak up behind and stare at me, but now it became somewhat of the norm for them. 😂

Depending on my mood, I'd either use the server (which I like honestly), or use Free4Talk, but I'm not using Free4Talk that often anymore.

Arabic, I'm an Egyptian.

It's a pleasure to meet you my friend. 🤍

I can relate, try using either the fluent, advanced, or the lounge channels, there is a good chance you'll meet serious people there.

[gaunt bronze]

Obviously. Nuclear weapons are horrible, and it's sad that China is ramping up its nuclear program. Anyways though, we're still protected by the U.S. There are downsides, but it is worth being the closest friend of the only superpower.

I'm not really into debating atm, but I hope you at least recognise the consequences that may come from nuclear weapons. No one should be making more; no one should ever have to use them. Deterrence, I am thankful for, but the irony surrounding it is incredible.

True, but at the moment, the U.S. is no doubt the world's most powerful (if not only) superpower.

[summer parcel]

I see again your arguments are flawed

Currently, Russia possess the most nuclear weapons

And have made their nuclear forces combat ready

unlike the US

[gaunt bronze]

I did not say they had the most nuclear weapons. I said they're the world's most powerful (or only) superpower.

On a military stand-point, the U.S. is still incredibly powerful, more than even Russia.

Note too, the U.S. may be focused on militarism, but it does not revert to kleptocracy or have whole focus on its military. But it's still the world's most powerful military. Now, imagine for a moment, the U.S. went to war with Russia. The paradigm of focus on equipment and whatever would change for the U.S. economy.

I've spoke about no one winning before, and I don't doubt that, but I hope a war like that never happens yk!

Now, I don't think it's exactly a philosophical standpoint, and even if there are nuclear weapons, you can still be a superpower.

There's nuclear deterrence, but amidst that deterrence it matters to what capacity a country may be able to still do things that won't lead to world obliteration.

And it's clear in that gap, the U.S. is far more capable than Russia is.

I'm just north of the U.S. and we don't have nuclear weapons and we were never invaded.

It's better than not having one at all.

Sure, at that point you're just "pulling hairs on nuclear war's severity", but rather have enough bombs to destroy three Earths than twenty-five.

You were wrong then previously. "It is a well known fact that all the countries which didn't have nuclear weapons were invaded by the United States."

But on your question of 'why', I am not sure. It may be because Canada holds values that the U.S. respects, and it is certain that we aren't a threat.

I'm not even sure if the U.S. tried to invade other countries that might've disagreed, but did not possess nuclear weapons.

It is sad.

I don't want this to turn into an Israel & Hamas Conflict debate, and I didn't even want a debate to happen. I will not comment on that besides generically, yk, nuclear weapon is devastating for everyone.

All I'll really say is that I just want all of these conflicts to have happy endings (ofc that's subjective), but to me that just means people can get an education, have a family, have access to water, electricity, food, etc. In sum, just be human.

[covert raptor]

Would Ukraine, a country that most European people supports, have been invaded if they had nuclear weapons by Putin?

I don't think so. Nuclear deterrence would have stopped Russia.

[formal pilot]

[thorny steeple]

Greatly said

[onyx hazel]

fr, people don't understand this.

[gaunt bronze]

I don't defend Israel, but I don't defend Palestine either. However, it's possible that someone defending Israel might win a debate. You never know! Unfortunately, parts of history may be falsified, but that is insignificant in this case.

But yk, there's already so many uncertainties surrounding current events in that war, that you wonder how much of the past or distant past on this conflict is still missing or wrong. I'm going to avoid commenting on your other comments.

What I find funny is that my school had a protest supporting Palestine but like I swear, 60% of ppl only went bc they could skip school.

I'm sorry, but you're really just trying to force questions into me as if I was an owner or wielder to the answers of any one of your questions. 😭

You clearly are.

You're referring your questions in a way as if I was a person with the answers to them. Thus making it seem like I'm part of that group.

Oh, I'm not ignoring them. I recognise your opinion, I'm just trying to avoid a debate at night.

I don't because I don't support that side. I could only guess.

No, but you're clearly trying to lure me into a question that is a trap.

I don't know.

Do you?

Plus, that question you asked was part of a longer question you asked: "You guys consider those who say that homosexuality is a sin as criminals

But do not consider those who occupy land and kill children, the elderly, and women
With a criminal?"

Your use of your guys implies as if I'm part of that group.

When I've made it clear I'm not.

I say I don't know because it's a very general question. Normally, killing like that is wrong.

But you're obviously trying to politicise this, and even if it isn't that, there could be exceptions so I don't know!

You're obviously wrong.

Please, stop making false assumptions or interpretating what I'm saying wrong.

Just because I don't wholly support Palestine doesn't make me an enemy does it? 😭

I'll just say my opinion on this conflict bc it'll clarify things.

Obviously. I don't know why you'd bother asking yk.

I said I don't know because there were exceptions and whatever. You didn't like that answer.

I already said though, killing is generally wrong.

I don't know where this debate is going..?

Please, be more specific. 😭

I'm obviously not a teacher. I don't know what you mean by "the killers not criminals."

It is unfortunate that you're using one s.s. to reason, when you've seen the whole message.

I clarified later by saying "killing is generally wrong" and went on to say that I said that because there are obviously exceptions to that. However, I know you're talking about this Israel and Hamas conflict, and in that case, I believe it is wrong.

I'm still not sure if anyone who kills children, women, and elderly are criminals. There might be exceptions?

Where is this even going at this point... 💀

I literally just clarified.

"However, I know you're talking about this Israel and Hamas conflict, and in that case, I believe it is wrong."

That was in general.

There might be exceptions outside of the Israel and Hamas Conflict.

I said I wasn't sure.

But I could try and find one maybe, one second.

Oops. I don't know.

You probably think I'm being heartless rn, but I really don't know.

There could be exceptions. Idk. I say that because I think of extreme cases of cannibalism or something (not like there was an exception then).

But I don't see anything that says that there aren't exceptions, or that there are any.

Kk, I need to word my message carefully.

You seem to try to make me look like a villain, that's why.

Basically no one does.

That conflict, and others that are around Israel and Palestine are subjective. Calling it a 'massacre' or 'injustice' might be wrong. Some people will say you're wrong, and countries like Israel also may. I agree though that what Israel has done is terrible, and disgusting. I also agree that so much of what they've done and are doing is illegal. However, that's not to say the other side hasn't also participated in abhorrent activities.

I was just being more precise. Practically, murder is very wrong and disgusting.

Children, even more so. But there could have been exceptions in history?? Idk.

[gaunt bronze]

But this goes well with the last thing I'm going to say bc this is getting out of hand!! 😭

Need to be careful with what I say, you take it too literally, and with hostility too.

It seems natural, but it is still wrong.

Sometimes they do! Although, Hamas is clearly bad.

This conflict is soo opinionated in a lot of ways. For one, I didn't know anything about it until it happened, so it brought a lot of awareness.

Ppl might argue that the two-state solution might be promoted even more from citizen pressure (or that it's gone for good due to abbhorent actions from both sides).

Cherry picking does no good. I've criticised their actions before too.

"I agree though that what Israel has done is terrible, and disgusting. I also agree that so much of what they've done and are doing is illegal."

Very nice when addressing Israel?

It might just seem that way as you're just talking about Hamas.

A resistance is good, but certainly not one like Hamas. But one could say it has led to a lot of awareness on this conflict, and a better chance for diplomacy (but then again, the abhorrent actions of Israel and Hamas contradict this view).

I can't say with certainty either on Hamas. Perhaps a prosperous Palestine might emerge because of it? I don't know.

Or, the possibility of a two-state solution is gone for good.

They've harmed children, women, and elderly people, and so has the Israeli military.

There could have been better results maybe? Uncertaintyy.

Um, I have two things to say.

Clearly, you're taking my comments too literally. Or you're twisting them so as to fit your original perspective that I supported Israel. Calling me a liar doesn't do much either as the horrible things Hamas and Israel have done have plenty of primary evidence. You revert to not blaming Hamas for their murder because "I blame the primary cause of all these events

The criminal Israel"

Yet, you said "I blame Hamas if it harms a child, a woman, or an elderly person" which they've clearly done.

Honestly, all you're doing rn is creating unnecessary polarity. I love seeing polar sides: extreme supporters of Israel and Palestine or whatever, but atm it's unhealthy. Stupid assumptions on me, and then making contradictory statements. What's more is that you're gripped on your one perspective. Peace will not come by wishing to vanquish and destroy one side wholly and entirely--no, definitely not in this case yk! You took my beginning comment of peace, and common humanity, and turned it flip-way-up into some idek, amalgamation that makes it seem like I'm an Israeli supporter so you can punctuate and punish an extremist Palestinian view. 😭

That's all I have to say. Please, be more open-minded. Supporting Israel or Palestine wholly only adds to tension. It's people (extremists) who create unnecessary borders and dividing frameworks. It's a path to hate, yk. That's not the path to peace, and it never will be.

Goodnight. ❤️ 🕊️

[cerulean ore]

🤡

His whole ideology is centered around the belief that "conflicts end when the other side is smashed to nothing 🔥"

Which is not only ignorant but also disingenuous

[feral river]

There is no more deaths if you guys all surrender 🤣🤣

I won’t care what you guys think anymore because every peace deal in this region all being rejected by you guys

Because you guys don’t want a Jewish state in that region

[onyx hazel]

Are you describing 1sr4el?

[feral river]

I’m talking that every peace deal rejected by Islamist

For Israel, they pursue what they needs, is eliminate all of you guys no matter what

It’s all clear and we all know that, so keep it going

No one likes terrorist

Just like our nation cleared out all of terrorist in Xinjiang and no more terrorist attack since 2017

[onyx hazel]

Ok so, you really have no idea what 1sr4el has been doing to P4lest1ne to say these kinds of distorted things.