🧠｜serious-chat

[toxic plover]

Having fun and partying can wait, being successful and earn a decent salary can't, you do what's more important now

[sharp zinc]

@toxic ploverI would have said that... but remembered when she said: But I'm Only 18!!!!!!!!!!

😅

[toxic plover]

18 is not young

[sharp zinc]

apparently not to her

[toxic plover]

When you turn 18 you must start planning for your future and financial stability

It's a very crucial stage

[sharp zinc]

but anyways... freelancing is a good source for making some extra money.. and if she combine her passion for English with that, steps taken would be just few

for me: I would pursue my dream.

[fossil basin]

I love you everyone 💓

[thorny steeple]

That's cute! Thank you!

[ornate siren]

This was a deeper, more insightful statement, or belief.

[thorny steeple]

Where are my cyberfriendss ✨
I should be sleeping, but for some reason, no.

https://youtu.be/oaMAcaeI_QM?list=RDGMEMQ1dJ7wXfLlqCjwV0xfSNbA

I love this song!

[ornate siren]

I am, am I not?

[ornate siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM

[thorny steeple]

Queeeeeeeen

[thorny steeple]

Be or not to be, the essential question! Hahaha!

[ornate siren]

@thorny steeple Who would fardels bear to ponder 'pon 't? And not gain quietus and that "undiscover'd country"?

[ornate siren]

Freddie was our man, an Indian. Damn we are proud of him.

[thorny steeple]

Here's something I didn't knew!

[ornate siren]

*know sorry

[thorny steeple]

Let's dance La Isla Bonitaaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpzdgmqIHOQ&list=RDGMEMQ1dJ7wXfLlqCjwV0xfSNbA&index=4&ab_channel=Madonna

[ornate siren]

Madonna is good

[thorny steeple]

😹 😍

I love this song!

[ornate siren]

This is becoming a chat of song

[thorny steeple]

Tropical the island breezeee.... all the nature wild and free... this is where I long to be... La isla bonitaaa ♫

[thorny steeple]

You're right! I should stop! 😹

[ornate siren]

You have that in Brazil, don't you?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[ornate siren]

My wish has been to go to Rio someday. Besides other great wishes, that is.

[thorny steeple]

One day you will! You're alot young! There are alot of things to live! 🥰

[ornate siren]

Yep. Thanks.

[ornate siren]

You guys will be amazed if you knew how ambitious I am. I sometimes wonder, "will I be able to achieve all that in this mechanical world?"

[thorny steeple]

Stop telling! 🤫 Keep it as a secret and surprise everyone!

[ornate siren]

Nevermind Brutus: "As Caesar loved me, I weep for him; as he was fortunate, I rejoice at it; as he was valiant, I honour him; but as he was ambitious, I slew him. There is tears for his love, joy for his fortune; honour for his valour; and death for his ambition."

[ornate siren]

That's what all tell me.

[thorny steeple]

Because it's true! Haha!

[ornate siren]

I know, I know.

[royal stratus]

What are your thoughts on War?

[thorny steeple]

I have a low opinion on wars and war wagers in particular.

[royal stratus]

I see.

[thorny steeple]

One would assume in the era of unprecedented scientific advancements wars among the same species would be considered meaningless by all but apparently not everyone has the same level of intellectual understanding about the true capabilities of human kind if international cooperation takes place instead of useless wars.

either that or they just want to be a menace 😆

[ornate siren]

"War, huh, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!"- History begs to differ.

[thorny steeple]

“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.” - Foundation, Asimov

[ornate siren]

Shouldn't you be sleeping?

[thorny steeple]

I should! 🥺

I'm sleepless, tomorrow my mom will travel, I don't like to be alone. 😂

[ornate siren]

So, you're on Discord.

[thorny steeple]

Yes

It's fun sometimes.

[lavish finch]

Hello #🧠｜serious-chat

[lavish finch]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

Helloo

[lavish finch]

This is both a profound idea and an excellently entertaining sci-fi story.

My favorite story in fact.

[thorny steeple]

It's my favorite book! Amazing, right!

Helped me to understand sociey a little bit. Haha!

[lavish finch]

What did it help you to understand about society?

[thorny steeple]

Cultural differences, subtle meanings, projection of the future. Alot of things!

[lavish finch]

War is box 1 of SAVI. Noisy communication.

(Is anyone other than Angelline here following our conversation?)

[thorny steeple]

I feel like some part of me is like Bayta Darell: "she as a woman can walk through those men like an equal, absolutely terrific!" 😂

Some characters talking about her. I remembered some things about me.

Do you think our favorite characters or those who we admire the most talks about ourselves? I've been noticing this one me. But are some of them that I definitely don't see myself as it could mean it.

[thorny steeple]

absolutely

[full river]

Goood morning 💚

(On my way to the beach, following the chat)

[thorny steeple]

Very good morning to you

[thorny steeple]

Nargizzzzzzz ✨✨ you're here as you promised!! 🥰

Beach days are the best daysss 🥰

Alot of years I can't go to one.

[full river]

Oh, it must be far from your place

[thorny steeple]

I can unfortunately relate to this feeling😅

Yes, unfortunately. I wish I could live next to one! 🥰

[lavish finch]

I think fictional characters are a way of doing a thought experiment about ourselves and our relationships in a way that is safe, detailed, public, interactive.

[thorny steeple]

Yes! Makes sense. Like a cathartic experience, right.

[lavish finch]

No

I would not say cathartic

[thorny steeple]

[lavish finch]

😄

The value of catharsis is a myth. I consider it quite self destructive.

[thorny steeple]

Why?

[lavish finch]

Short term relief. Long term disconnection.

"Catharsis is a term used in psychology that refers to the process of releasing, and thereby providing relief from, strong or repressed emotions. It's often associated with the idea of emotional release or purification."

It's an idea that comes from Aristotle and his analysis of fiction. Of theater stories.

Another term is venting. And venting can increase rather than reduce the feeling.

[thorny steeple]

(following)

[lavish finch]

So if you're angry, and you "vent" your anger for an experience of relief, you are more likely to have the opposite experience. A temporary experience of relief from anger, and then very soon even more anger. And it becomes a vicious cycle.

[thorny steeple]

Makes sense.

but wouldn't holding your emotions like anger be even worse for your mental peace?

Yes, that's why go to the roots are the answer in most cases. Not distract from this.

I would assume there must be some better way to let your emotions out

Yes

[lavish finch]

That's part of the myth.

There is no need to let our emotions "out". There is a need to let our emotions in.

The misunderstanding stems from a belief that expressing our emotions is the same as experiencing them.

[thorny steeple]

I think what we repress becomes worse. We need to find a healthy way to deal with it.

[lavish finch]

There is great value in having our emotions. And distinguishing them from other emotions and from our thoughts.

venting floods our system's ability to distinguish them.

[thorny steeple]

yeah but I think there should be a combination of repressing and letting it out

letting all of your emotions out unfiltered is definitely not ideal

[lavish finch]

Can someone tell me what they heard me say?

[ivory vale]

Hi

[lavish finch]

Hi Neli

[ivory vale]

You were saying that it's different to have emotions and express emotions

[full river]

Hi Neli 💚

[ivory vale]

And that it's useful to be able to distinguish between different emotions

And to distinguish between emotions and emotions created by thoughts

[lavish finch]

Yes, and that there is a difference between thinking we are angry and feeling our anger, in our body.

Or any other feeling.

Thank you

Feelings come from two places; as a direct response to a present reality or a thought.

We have the ability to generate all kinds of feelings by thinking about things that are not present.

[full river]

Like predictions, mind reading and our reaction to them

[lavish finch]

Yes, or a sci-fi novel.

I think the desire to "out" our feelings is really a desire to connect to other people.

In a meaningful way

Which can be done simply by talking about our feelings

And is very different than acting on them, which is what venting is.

it's the difference between saying "I'm angry" vs screaming at someone in anger.

If you can talk about your feelings without targeting anyone, you're golden.

That's what people tend to respond to affectionately.

[full river]

I'm imagining a situtation where I'm angry at someone and talking about my anger. It seems very difficult to avoid targeting the person directly. And for the person not to take it just personally but instead to feel affection.

[lavish finch]

That's because you're subtly targeting them.

It takes a lot of skill not to take it just personally when we target someone.

Learning how to center ourselves, and talk without targeting others is also a skill.

Until you develop that skill, it might be more useful to talk to people you're not angry with about your anger, and get a subgroup.

To explore your own anger.

That's what I mean by letting the anger in.

[full river]

Almost to forget about the other person and to connect to how you feel

[lavish finch]

Yes

(Angelline, Waffling, are you still following?)

Don't just take my word for it. Think about your own life and experiences, and see if what I'm saying makes sense.

[full river]

When being targeted it usually helps to remember the reaction of the other person is not only about us.

It helps not to take attitudes that we dont like just personally

[lavish finch]

The more you engage directly with primary reality (what's going on in the present), and less of secondary reality (the thoughts we have about what's going on) the more aware of your feelings you become.

[full river]

Secondary reality is usually a try to avoid our feelings. Connecting to present makes it easier to connect to our feelings

[lavish finch]

Feeling is a process of turning our emotions into words.

emotion is primary and intuitive.

feeling is secondary and analytic.

Secondary reality, thinking about reality, is not necessarily an attempt to avoid our feelings. But it often is.

The goal is is to have both, and to move freely between them, rather than getting stuck in our thoughts, disconnected from our feelings.

Notice however, right now, that the more we talk about feelings, the more into our heads we go.

Our discussion has become highly theoretical.

You can move freely by checking how you feel having this chat with me.

[ivory vale]

I'm glad I came here

I feel more grounded

more with the actual facts than with my thoughts created by anxiety

[lavish finch]

It's more likely that your anxiety is created by your thoughts.

[ivory vale]

I'm also planning to leave in 10min

Well, there was a bit anxiety about a used camera I have bought which hasn't arrived yet and the seller isn't responding since Saturday.

I started to imagine that they are just laughing at me for giving them money

and feeling helpless and angry at myself

[lavish finch]

two self attacks

[ivory vale]

Now I just try to be with the anxiety of not knowing what's going to happen

[lavish finch]

anxiety is a system disruption

not knowing what's going to happen is a fact

you might have a spontaneous feeling response to that fact

not having a response from the seller since Saturday is another fact

you might have a feeling about that too

it would make sense if you felt angry

you're then directing the anger at yourself

which is an attempt to manage the anger

[ivory vale]

well, there's signs that point to the whole thing being a scam

and signs pointing to it being a regular transaction

it's ambiguous

[lavish finch]

you're still gathering information

which is part of the reality testing process

[ivory vale]

Bye for now

[lavish finch]

Bye Neli. Great seeing you here.

As we gather information we create maps of reality.

We use these maps to guide our actions.

Anyone else here?

(That's me testing reality, gathering information to add to my map, which I'll use to guide my next action.)

[full river]

Yes, following

Feeling calm and tired

As the route has changed unexpectedly, and it takes longer to reach the destination

Also glad that there was this chat that I was following while traveling

Planning to leave soon to watch some videos

Bye James

[lavish finch]

Bye Nargiz

(leaving)

[crimson ledge]

good morning

[warped topaz]

what do you think about the migration of polar bears to Africa?

[sleek heron]

Greetings.

[ornate siren]

To them who know: Do you really think the Trojan War happened? And was the Odyssey written or set in the vicinity of Sicily? @lavish finch ?

[river meadow]

Hii

[ornate siren]

Many of them would die in Africa. Tell me if you want to continue this conversation, and I'll tell you more.

[thorny steeple]

many? like all of them u mean

[ornate siren]

Of course, you can't take every polar bear to Africa. And supposing you do, the area of distribution is not clearly stated, so the few that may be dropped on Mt. Kilimanjaro or on the top of the Atlas Mountains, will have a fair chance of surviving the first few days. If you don't give any of them food (preferably seals), all would die one way or the other (starvation).

[thorny steeple]

🤓👆

who me?

Verbal fight 😂 I’ll see you in the ring

If you have the balls

I’m actually under age and that’s illegal under 18 US Code 2251

Good thing its international crime see the Interpol front of ur door

But you already told ur plans Interpol will see you shortly

[midnight stag]

https://tenor.com/bCQm0.gif

[thorny steeple]

Bro deleted his chats

ayo?

???

ur down bad bud

“one more time”

“i swear this is the last time”

[midnight stag]

[slim fjord]

Maybe he texted something wrong

[thorny steeple]

!ban @winged relic

[thorny steeple]

who is the real slim shady

[slim fjord]

Do more

[thorny steeple]

<@&852814479569059840>

[slim fjord]

[midnight stag]

https://tenor.com/bWZSH.gif

[thorny steeple]

where did bro go

u delete ur messasges ur puss

[prisma cipher]

Hazbik

[slim fjord]

[foggy solstice]

Alright guys, please back me up here.
This is an excerpt from the Japanese letter of application template, and I really don't think this is proper English.

If student have studied anything related to Japan (Japan/Asian History, Linguistics, etc) we highly recommend student to mention it in the letter together with how he/she plans to put this into practice professionally.

"If student have"? There is no way that is correct, but since this came from a Japanese embassy, so I am reluctant to outright say it's bad grammar. I just refuse to believe that an official Japanese document would have such broken English...

[slim fjord]

@winged relic

Hii how are you

[ornate siren]

In the third person, the "if" clause is generally followed by auxiliary verbs like "were, could, had," etc., but not the verb "have". Placing this verb is not outrightly incorrect but seems to be a well lot archaic.

@wise aspen Thanks.

[foggy solstice]

Thanks! I was afraid I was just not familar with more... erudite? English

still sounds very very very weird

[lavish finch]

Those are interesting questions. What do you think?

If it did take place I think it’s more likely that it happened in modern day turkey then in Sicily.

[ornate siren]

There has been evidence found that partly confirms the occurrence of the Trojan War. Between the Hittites and Achaeans. Actually Troy was a Hittite city-state called Wilushiya.

[lavish finch]

I’ll leave that question to professional archaeologists and historians.

[ornate siren]

Why do you think so?

[lavish finch]

I don’t know.

[ornate siren]

Heavens, the naïveté.

[lavish finch]

Naivete refers more to a lack of wisdom and judgment than a lack of knowledge.

[ornate siren]

I meant neither. I meant innocence.

[lavish finch]

Then best to say innocence which doesn’t have the same negative connotation.

[ornate siren]

Best to keep that in mind from now on, then.

[ornate siren]

As to my opinion, it could be the Odyssey was written entirely at, and drawn entirely from, the places in and near the Aegades, like Favignana and Trapani on the West Coast of Sicily, alike as regards the Phaeacian and the Ithaca scenes including the scene of the Cyclops Polyphemus who lived on an island of goats and sheep, as the name Aegadian suggests; while the voyages of Ulysses, when once he is within easy reach of Sicily, resolve themselves into a circumnavigation of the island, practically from Trapani back to Trapani, via the Lipari islands, the Straits of Messina, and the island of Pantellaria. Many scenes described in the epic correspond to the local practices still in use there (spearfishing, etc.) and besides, the strait of Scylla and Charybdis have been, after being researched upon, pinpointed near the said location. In fact, the journey undertaken by Telemachus to visit Menelaus could have been a fairly impossible one. Telemachus and Pisistratus would have been obliged to drive over the Taygetus range, over which there had never by then been a road for wheeled vehicles. It is plain therefore that the audience for whom the Odyssey was written was one that would be unlikely to know anything about the topography of the Peloponnese, preferably Western Mediterranean people, so that the author might take what liberties they chose.

[lavish finch]

I'm not convinced.

ChatGPT tells me that "Odysseus encounters numerous obstacles and adventures in various locations throughout the Mediterranean. While the exact geographical details of many of these places are left vague or are purely mythical, one of the encounters — with the Cyclops Polyphemus — is traditionally thought to be set in Sicily, based on certain details in the text.

In "The Odyssey," the land of the Cyclops is an uncivilized place where people live in caves and do not farm or have laws. Some interpretations have associated this with ancient accounts of the interior regions of Sicily, which were home to indigenous tribes during the time the poem was written. Additionally, ancient and medieval traditions often located the Cyclops and other creatures from "The Odyssey" in specific places in Sicily.

However, it's important to note that while these interpretations exist, "The Odyssey" is primarily a work of myth and legend rather than historical or geographical fact. Its main purpose was to entertain and instruct, and the locations described in the poem are often more symbolic than literal. Thus, while some parts of the poem may be associated with real places like Sicily, it's not accurate to say that the Odyssey was either written or set in the vicinity of Sicily as a whole."

It goes on to say that...

"The geographic locations are often intentionally vague or contradictory when it comes to geographical specifics. This has led to many different theories about the "real" locations of the events described in "The Odyssey", with proposed settings ranging from the Black Sea to the Atlantic Ocean.

Lastly, although there is evidence that "The Odyssey" was widely known and loved in the Western Mediterranean, including Sicily, by the late 8th century BCE, the poem itself is thought to have originated in Ionia on the east coast of the Aegean Sea, based on linguistic and stylistic evidence. The Ionians had extensive knowledge of the geography of the central and eastern Mediterranean, but their knowledge of the western Mediterranean, including Sicily, was likely more limited and based on second-hand reports.

In summary, while the Sicilian interpretation of "The Odyssey" is intriguing and not without merit, it is one of many theories and should be considered in the wider context of Homeric scholarship and interpretation. The "real" locations of the events in "The Odyssey" are ultimately less important than the themes and lessons that the epic poem conveys."

[median merlin]

i have a question for you guys
how do you define success?
i just wanna get to know more about other ideas about success

[thorny steeple]

success is when you can do anything you feel like

and when you are happy

and rich

[civic reef]

achieving stability in my life, so essentially a situation in which i don't have any major worries, only small, everyday ones, like i have a stable job in which i earn enough money to not worry about buying everyday stuff, maybe am owning a house or an apartment and i dont have to rent it all of the time, i feel loved by my loved one and i trust that person, i think thats pretty much it, the peace and stability would mean success for me

[thorny steeple]

but thats like a very specific scenario of success

[civic reef]

yeah

i think it is, but success is subjective so, thats my vision of it, i dont really think success means being very rich or something, because money is useful only to a certain extent, too much is also a problem

[thorny steeple]

not really having excess money eases future problems

[civic reef]

true, but like, i dont think that having a fancy car, or a luxury apartment, is essential for "success", personally it would not make me really happy, maybe for a month, two, or half a year, but eventually i would feel sad again, if i was just rich and for example i didnt have anyone who i truly love and who i trust

[thorny steeple]

yeah my bad so you have to be happy and rich is what i was trying to say

usually for all practical purposes so long as you have a good financial status,a passive income source and a pretty wife you can consider yourself successful

some friends aswell

[civic reef]

a pretty wife is not enough i think, being pretty doesnt equal being, well, trust-worthy, like its not successful if she's pretty, its successful if she seems attractive to me personally and am sure i can trust i will not be cheated on, this way

[thorny steeple]

that's indeed true

[civic reef]

so many very attractive people are prone to cheat... just because some of them do not value honesty that much, they like to enjoy the attention their beauty can buy them, thats not really a happy thing

[thorny steeple]

hmm true so i guess if you bond well with your wife and she's pretty then you're successful

[thorny steeple]

I don't think prettyness (this word exists?) Is enough! You can have a handsome partner and your life to be a nightmare! I don't mean that it's not important, it is! Extremely important to be with someone you're attracted to but if it's not based in values and virtues, it will faded to fail.

That's why the most successful marriages are usually from/between religious people. Somehow they share same values and this is what makes it work in the end. If It lacks, after some time, the boredom leads to cheating and all of those issues. (and plus: you end more poor, not only physically, but emotionally, mentally! LOL)

[thorny steeple]

I used to think that and I avoided handsome men for so long thinking about this. It's not that a complete truth. It's actually more hard to handsome people find someone who has enough self esteem to be with them without fear of losing. This fear can ruin it even before it started! Haha

[civic reef]

oh yeah, i bet, although this depends on the case, because sometimes some people have pretty odd preferences when it comes to what they consider "pretty", like a person who's really gorgeous to me might not be very attractive from your perspective

some women prefer skinny and tall guys, some like muscular and a bit below average height, and some men like short and not very "sexy" women

[sour marlin]

So true 😂

[thorny steeple]

yeah agreed. I believe personality 100% impacts outlook or moreover your liking of the person. Not to devalue anyone but I've personally avoided a rather lazy but attractive girl for a more cheery one, the personality effects soo much

[thorny steeple]

Yes, of course!

perhaps more the people get to understand people as an unique individual more they tend to value it

[civic reef]

yeah possibly, i remember myself getting very infatuated in a girl who was not really attractive, she was kinda cute, but she wasnt attractive, and it wasnt really because i found her cute from the beginning, it was mostly because we got friends and then i realized "wait, i like that, a lot" and the person started, all of a sudden, being very attractive to me even tho i previously saw her only as "yeah maybe kinda cute"

[thorny steeple]

Because it builds closeness. And closeness and the opportunity to be understood and accepted by someone is also a construction of a safe place for attraction.

[civic reef]

eventually it broke and funnily enough she was homosexual, so it was a painful rejection

[thorny steeple]

Damn I hate this infatuation feeling. 😂 it's good to create music and arts, but it's a complete illusion! We are literally in love with a ghost! And we be like bobo all the time, aff.

[thorny steeple]

alright now you dont wanna be calling her unattractive if you wanna get somewhere with her😂

[thorny steeple]

alright nevermind

[civic reef]

no, it already broke years ago

lolll

[thorny steeple]

Guys

Take this t your lives:

There's no such a thing as rejection, what exists is incompatibility.

very true,thankfully haven't been rejected yet haha

[hardy crest]

Never tried dating, never Got rejected ez 🤣

[civic reef]

seems nice, am glad you're glad lol

[sour marlin]

Hahaha me too

[thorny steeple]

hi serious peoples

Verrry serious. 💅🏻

[pearl dagger]

Hello

[static pivot]

hello there

[thorny steeple]

Helloo!

[lavish finch]

Hello!

I once had a friend named K. We were very close friends.

Everyday she complained about not having a boyfriend.

Wondering why no one wanted to date her.

One day I decided that we would be a good couple and also felt it.

And that terrified her and she wouldn't talk to me anymore.

Some people want to be unhappy because it's familiar.

[lavish finch]

At the root of infatuation is a longing for ourselves.

The agony

The agony of believing we need someone or something to be ourselves, have ourselves, to be whole.

[thorny steeple]

I know right! 😹

I think I don't start anything because I'm always expecting this to end.

Almost like a prediction of everything that can be wrong.

And also we look like bobo when we're infatuated, LOL!
Sad thing is this best phase fades with time.

It's the most fun! LOL

[lavish finch]

I'll share another love story.

[thorny steeple]

Sure! I like to read them!

[lavish finch]

A few years ago I fell in love with a woman I met.

It was a deep infatuation. It was total agony.

She was very friendly and open towards me.

[thorny steeple]

Agony. 😹

[lavish finch]

But she was not in love with me and I could see that there was nothing I could do to change that.

[thorny steeple]

That's sad.

[lavish finch]

That's not strong enough. It was an atomic bomb of sadness in me.

[thorny steeple]

Thank God I learned fast that I should love someone who loves me only.

[thorny steeple]

But why were you so infatuated with her?

[lavish finch]

It doesn't matter. Hear me out.

I tried something different.

[thorny steeple]

Of course it matters! These traits were the reason!

[lavish finch]

No, no, no. Trust me.

😁

[thorny steeple]

Stop shutting yourself down! You need to listen to yourself. 😤

[lavish finch]

Oh, I listened to myself alright.

[thorny steeple]

If you don't listen, no one will! No even therapeuts! lol

[lavish finch]

I opened to my love of her. Completely. I didn't hold any of it back.

[thorny steeple]

No, it seems that you avoid to understand why you were interested in her, LOL!

[lavish finch]

No, no. That has nothing to do with it.

[thorny steeple]

Of course its only a typing understandment, lol!

Of course it has! Nothing is by accident! 😹

[lavish finch]

I stopped talking to her completely. But my love just got stronger. Even after a year of not talking to her.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I heard that story before.

[lavish finch]

Ok, then tell me how it ends.

[thorny steeple]

People usually fall in love with the absense.

Ok! Tell the end!

I think we need to open a new channel named "therapy-chat".

[lavish finch]

I took all the energy I had for her and used it to start teaching English. And I taught an English class everyday for 6 months. And it was wildly successfull. We sometimes had 90 students in class everyday.

[thorny steeple]

Learned to transmute the energy of life! 👏🏻

All the things that we love right... just because of how someone mades us feel.

[thorny steeple]

A song, a place, a country, a culture, an activity. Aesthetic, vibe, all reflections of something we're missing and find a way to be closer...

[lavish finch]

That's exactly right. I learned how to transmute the energy of life.

[thorny steeple]

That's how men look for their mothers unconsciously in other women.
And women look to their fathers... well, until it become conscious.
And we are all reliving the nostalgic days of childhood! 😹

And then we grow up and life starts to shape us:

What we admire, what we hate, all we felt it was missing and we find a way to fix it.

[lavish finch]

I can still feel that same energy when I teach.

It's unstoppable.

[thorny steeple]

That's great! Learn to love the feel and leave the person free!

[lavish finch]

yes

[thorny steeple]

We never belong to each other.

This is the saddest truth I've ever learned. 😹

[lavish finch]

A year later I reached back out to her and told her about it.

[thorny steeple]

But it also brings alot of freedom!

[lavish finch]

And she said it was the most beautiful thing she's ever heard.

[thorny steeple]

You know you're the responsible for this feeling, not her, right?!

Like she was a catalyst of something you already were creating inside of yourself.

Let me try to explain it better.

[lavish finch]

"That is so wonderfull made me cry"
-C

Yes, I know

It's what I said at the beginning.

A longing for ourselves.

[thorny steeple]

We all have our "contrapart" in our unconscious like our male version if you are a woman, and your feminine version if you are a man. And a person who matches this...

The anima / animus.

[lavish finch]

The agony never goes away. In fact it just keeps getting deeper.

[thorny steeple]

In the end we are all selfish we just love ourselves, right.

And when we notice that the other person is not what we are expecting, we start to "get real".

[lavish finch]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

At least when you got far from her, you found a better use for your feeling.

Before the woman's image in your mind start to become ashes.

We reveal alot of ourselves just by the kind of person we're attracted to.

The correct is "alot" or "a lot" ?

[lavish finch]

Don't sweat the small stuff. Keep going. (It's a lot)

[thorny steeple]

But it's important for me to correct it, LOL! I'm writing a book! It's challenging!

[lavish finch]

(I'm leaving in 10 min to teach a class)

[thorny steeple]

Sure! I have to finish my video here! We talk later!

[lavish finch]

I'll end by saying

There is great value in the wanting.

And in making enough space in us for all of it.

[thorny steeple]

Donnnt like wanting, I like havinggg

I see it, I like it, I want it, I got it. ♫

(And I'll end the serious chat with a non-serious joke! LOL)

Wanting is a way to have those things so you are on the right track 😉

I had to look up for the song. Thank you for the inspiration.

Me? The song?

[thorny steeple]

I also believe in this, I believe that it's a sign of something coming in our way.

Yes, 7 rings. I am now listening lol

😹

My mom say it's my song.

She reminds of me.

Oh really? Does it give you that feeling as well?

Definitelly!

I don't think God is evil to put a wish in our hearts and don't let us have it.
Of course there are different kinds of wishes, but in general, I mean it.

There always a purpose, I mean.

Yeah, I get it. Wishes are what makes us human and kinda apart in a way. We all want different things from life and it is different from our basic human needs (that are obviously the same)

At some point it's part of our life mission... because if everyone wanted exactly the same things, there wouldn't be any differences and varieties in our realities.

(I mean, about the wishes! The basics ones I agree with you, it's the same!).

and that would make this world such a boring place tbh

Definitelly! LOL Everyone with same haircut, skincolor, eyes, cars, listening to the same songs and having the same problems.

Yeah, like we all need human interaction but the way we want it varies so wildly. If it's making any sense to you

Of course!!

Now we enter the realm of personality?!

Hahaha!

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, but isn't it also soothing to find people who share the same struggles? Like we aren't alone. We have a support group to go through this?

[thorny steeple]

Of course!! 🥰 Even on this, in different ways.

It's fascinating how we want our individuality to be so unique but we also deep down seek similarities around us. To feel validated and comfortable in our surroundings.

We all need connections.

In the end, we are emotional beings too! 😹

Yeah, way too emotional at certain times and on certain topics 😅

Finding the balance between the emotions and logic is an art very few of us get a hold of.

What's your book about? I would love to read it when it gets to that stage

[thorny steeple]

What sometimes I lack alot. 👀

[thorny steeple]

It's a scifi romance. A futuristic love story! 🥰
I'll let you know when I finish it, but I think it'll take a lot of time! 🥺

I have the full story completed in my mind but to put in words and even more in english... it's a long road. 😹 However, I'm persisting, even if it's little by little! It's a cute story, I already love the characters! 😹

[thorny steeple]

I was the worst at it 😂 now I think I am getting better at it but still a long way to go. Fingers crossed.

Oh we are always improving! Hahaha! There's no end in this journey. 😹

That is amazing. Have you written any books in your native language?

I did when I was like 16/17 yo, but they were very bad.

I have a scratch pad full of ideas for fictional stories and books but I don't think I will be writing any of those for at least another 5 years 🫣

OMG WHYYYYYYYYYYE

Procrastination 🙈

No, but other than that I feel like I don't have the right skill set to write a book. My creative writing needs a lot of improvement. So really should be working on those skills.

Imagine a road, where the version of you with your stories published is standing there, in the end. And you're here in the begining: SLEEPING. You're leaving her/him waitingggg.

Oh, I got it! I have a general ideia I'm deepening. So, it probably not good yet.

My mom loves it, but I'm suspicious she just love everything I do, so it doesn't count.

I mean, when I read books. They are so so perfect in every way. The character personas. The plot. The vocabulary and descriptions. Everything. Meanwhile, I struggle with expressing my thoughts. How do I get to that level and write a book?!

Having that kind of support and love is amazing and even if it's not perfect the confidence she has in you would bring out the best in you 💖 just keep swimming 🎵

[thorny steeple]

It's more like a construction. You build the foundation and start to add and flourish it with patience. I don't think it's build like directly... Like a painting: we make the general drawing and start to add interest to it, compounding the effect. So you need to at least start and then keep adding, experimenting, taking out what it doesn't fits. It's one of the things I learned that most improved my creations: to experiment, not settle! And then settle what it mades a good effect.

It's important to not compare your chapter one with their 20 chapter after 20 years of life writting, lol!

That's a lovely piece of advice 💯 how did you learn it? Would you recommend any forums or courses?

[thorny steeple]

I think it's more like years of life than a place where I learn it. 😹 And honestly? You can learn things from any place, you need to start a project and then everything you need will come to you. You find a piece of advice here and there, other things that can not even be related can help. (Like this thing of experimenting, I learned from a painting class, when I was studying digital arts), and it served me for alot of things in life. What I really think that its going to change your game is for you to start doing it. And then overcome the challenges in the way, with persistence. Until the end!

[full river]

🎧 🎧

[thorny steeple]

Hii @full river 🥰

[full river]

Hiii and bye 🙃

[thorny steeple]

Hiii and byeee

[full river]

late here. Will listen a few more times and will go to sleep 🙃

[thorny steeple]

The song? 😹

[full river]

I want it I got it ..

[thorny steeple]

Ariana Grande should pay me!

"Bought matching diamonds for six of my cyberfriendss" ♫ It doesnt rhyme.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, yeah. Consistency is the key to greatness. I got similar advice earlier. To focus on the start and not the perfection.

The best line of the song is 'Whoever said money can't solve problems...'. I want to be this rich 🤑

And do it for fun! 😹

Like don't put any pressure in yourself to do it.

Like: OK THIS NEED TO BE THE NEXT HARRY POTTER OK

But it's important to put pressure enough to do.

Otherwise our old friend procrastination comes to hug us very tight.

[thorny steeple]

Must not having enough of it to solve it!

and we love catching up with old friends. Right? 🫣

Money is the solution 💅🏻

Alright. It's 3am here. I better catch some sleep now.

Have a nice day 😊

Thanks! Good night! 🥰

[lavish finch]

I once met Ariana Grande. I didn’t know who she was. Someone told me she was very famous.

So I looked her up and I was like oh wow she is famous!

I was working on a movie set. She was dating Pete Davidson who was an actor in the movie. We were just standing on the porch of a house. And she came up with her friend.

She seemed nice. Pete was not. He was a real jerk.

[jaunty mesa]

oh.

[sharp zinc]

a nice dating a jerk = brainlessness prevails for both!

[merry grove]

What exactly is the purpose of this chat channel?

[thorny steeple]

In depth conversations.

[merry grove]

Oh ok

[ornate siren]

You are quite famous around here, my good sir.

[thorny steeple]

Yes! Haha!

[bold saddle]

Hi there guys!

[chilly kindle]

Hello

Anyone here from New York? I am writing an article for work and would love to know more about the city from a resident.😄

[thorny steeple]

@stark flower

He might end up asking you to marry him, be aware!

[static pivot]

Ang

[wild thistle]

[lavish finch]

Vivek

Sky

Angelline

Nivy

Enhanced Magical

Kriyakos

Nocturnal

Stars
Bora

Mariyah

Nargiz

[full river]

Hey. What is this list for?

[thorny steeple]

Hi

How are you all

[full river]

Hi Ghost man. Busy today. Looks like something similar is going on for others as well, as it is a bit silent here

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[lavish finch]

Hi Saint

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[lavish finch]

What do you do for work?

[thorny steeple]

How are you

[thorny steeple]

Hmm which work

[lavish finch]

I'm learning about censorship

on facebook

I'm good

all your work

[thorny steeple]

Hmm nice

[lavish finch]

what is all the work you do?

[toxic plover]

Could you give me more context ?

[thorny steeple]

Plumber and programming

[lavish finch]

Interesting mix

[thorny steeple]

More precisely, I am a student

[lavish finch]

Pressure from US Gov to censor news stories and opinions by social media companies

[thorny steeple]

I said plumber because I am working on summer holiday

I said programming because I am learning programming

[toxic plover]

Why is that ?

[lavish finch]

do you use chatgpt to program?

[thorny steeple]

Not now

[toxic plover]

(Also sorry for interpreting ur conversion with saint, we can chat a different time)

Interrupting* #english

conversation**

Just ignore my whole sentence...

[thorny steeple]

Actually, I have to go right now

[lavish finch]

Reading the missouri v biden court ruling by a louisiana judge that requires the gov to stop all communications with social media companies after showing evidence of censorshop of us citizens of protected speech

[thorny steeple]

So bye

[thorny steeple]

See you later

[lavish finch]

The injunction was issued one month ago

[toxic plover]

I'll take a look at it, I'm kinda curious

[lavish finch]

It's a rare win

"This case is about the Free Speech Clause in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The explosion of social-media platforms has resulted in unique free speech issues— this is especially true in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. If the allegations made by Plaintiffs are true, the present case arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in United States’ history. "

So called misinformation and disinformation are forms of protected speech in the US. The government does not get to decide what is true and forcibly silence false views.

I'm an English teacher by day, constitutional lawyer by night.

"In their attempts to suppress alleged disinformation, the Federal Government, and particularly the Defendants named here, are alleged to have blatantly ignored the First Amendment’s right to free speech."

[toxic plover]

Fair enough

[toxic plover]

Free speech is a curse and a pleasing

Blessing*

[lavish finch]

Is life a curse?

[toxic plover]

Can't english today.

[lavish finch]

Are humans a curse?

[toxic plover]

Some may feel that way.

[toxic plover]

Some of them can be.

[lavish finch]

Tyranny is a curse. And anti-human policies.

Punishing people for thinking.

Neoliberal think tanks would like to spin this court ruling as an attempt to suppress the speech of the government.

[toxic plover]

Companies are trying to "legally" enslave you into following their agendas.

[lavish finch]

Sure, it's a corporate-government partnership.

So why haven't they legally removed the 1st ammendment?

What's the curse meant to be?

That people will be able to think for themselves and not be enslaved?

[toxic plover]

A combination of bad governmenting, and hidden interests

[toxic plover]

Free speech in of itself is good, but when you give it to the wrong group of people, things become chaotic.

[lavish finch]

Free speech is inherently chaotic.

Chaos does not arise from the wrong group of people. Chaos is part of the system as a whole. That system being humanity.

" The right to free speech is not a member of any political party and does not hold any political ideology."

Either everyone gets free speech or you don't have free speech.

All tyrants want free speech for their beliefs. That's not free speech.

Chaos is not a curse. Chaos and order are two realities of all systems.

[toxic plover]

How i personally view free speech, and this is just my opinion,

It's a sword that can either stop wars or start ones, and people will always use it, no matter the variables that they're facing, they'll always use it.

Not all wars are physical

[lavish finch]

"The principal function of free speech under the United States’ system of government is to invite dispute; it may indeed best serve its high purpose when it induces a condition of unrest"

The main purpose of free speech is to invite dispute, not to create order.

[toxic plover]

One day that privilege will probably be gone, if it's the case that inserting chips technology gets approved and becomes mandatory for citizens

[lavish finch]

That's a negative prediction.

Do you believe you can predict the future?

[toxic plover]

With the right amount of clues, and seeing the rise of AI technology, I would say it's possible to somewhat have a reasonable prediction.

[lavish finch]

What percent chance do you think this prediction is accurate? 100% 50% 10%?

[toxic plover]

Wishing for a better future require us to also anticipate the possibility of bad ones.

[lavish finch]

Ok, so what percent chance is it possible that we lose our protected speech.

[toxic plover]

Hmm... it really depends on the country, some will definitely ban inserting chips that can magically make u a super human with impressive cognitive ability.

[lavish finch]

Definitely. So 100%?

[toxic plover]

70% to 65%

Though my prediction isn't very well analyzed and educated, but based on what's going on i just have a gut feeling.

[lavish finch]

Sure. Thanks for answering my questions. You're giving us all an opportunity to learn something.

Are you open to another question?

[toxic plover]

Sure.

[toxic plover]

I'm just a random guy on the internet sharing his thoughts on things that are beyond my leauge, i don't wish for anyone to take it too seriously, just an opinion.

[lavish finch]

Don't dismiss the value you add.

Given your gut prediction of there being a 65-70% chance of us losing our protected speech and a 30-35% chance of keeping it in the future, which possibility would you like to live in?

And by the way, I think you add tremendous value to the group. Would anyone else following this conversation agree?

[toxic plover]

I appreciate your kind words ❤️

[toxic plover]

Hmmm

[full river]

I agree

I'm not here with my full attention. Coming and going.

[toxic plover]

Hahaha

[polar tiger]

What is that you guys are discussing right now?

Fill me in.

[full river]

But can say for sure, Moxy is making the conversation more interesting

[toxic plover]

I will say i wanna live in...the 30-35% universe

[lavish finch]

Yeah

We don't get the world we want. We get the world we make.

[toxic plover]

Just because i love to think for myself and having that privilege strapped from me could make my life less meaningful

[lavish finch]

And we are making it right now.

[toxic plover]

Stripped***

[lavish finch]

Through our choices

[toxic plover]

OMWJWHSUQ i don't know what's wrong with me today, i can't english at all..

[lavish finch]

Welcomne, Death.

[polar tiger]

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on your views, I just hate being a meatsack with all the physical and mental limitations imposed on me by the mother nature. I'd want to transfer my consciousness into an android.

Cybernetical enhancement if you want me to refer to this idea in a more scientific way.

[polar tiger]

Thank you, James.

[toxic plover]

I'm sorry for kinda giving shallow, choppy answers to some of your questions, it's just that it's kinda late for me rn and my brain isn't fully functioning, your topic is really dense and requires a lot of brain cells to actually have a very insightful conversation, so i apologize for that @lavish finch

[lavish finch]

Again, I would be very careful about dismissing the value you bring, Moxy.

You don't seem to be aware of it.

[polar tiger]

What do you mean by anti-human policies?

[toxic plover]

I just don't feel that i gave you the best answer to your questions, though im aware of the value that I'm bringing in this conversation.

[lavish finch]

I mean that enlightenment thinkers and ideas understand free thought and speech to be inherent to what it means to be human, and policies which restrict these human faculties are anti-human.

[toxic plover]

Some may define life as the ability to think

[polar tiger]

An interesting take, I will hop in the conversation later

[lavish finch]

Yes. And to have a voice.

[toxic plover]

And some may say without emotions there's no life

[lavish finch]

Yes

It's true

If you have no feelings and emotions, you are dead.

[toxic plover]

As dark as this may sound, but death is also life

[lavish finch]

I'll take a break now. Thanks for the conversation, everyone.

[toxic plover]

Enjoy your break, i need to unplug my brain and charge it, thanks for initiating this intriguing topic.

[polar tiger]

I'd disagree with emotions and feelings being a good thing, but I'll leave that for now.

[thorny steeple]

I think it would be obnoxious to live day after day only mindlessly following the tasks. It feels as though you were alive, but at the same time you were not. Amazing as cyborgs sound, in my opinion, the ability to feel everything around you, be it either a negative emotion or a positive one, is truly one of the best gifts that we have ever had in our lives.

[vernal crypt]

Emotions and feelings help to direct you to your course of action.
They are what triggers us to say
Oh that's good
I like that
Even with something as simple as food.
Food triggers/elicits emotional responses as well.
We get happy when we eat or offered foods we like, and sad or annoyed when not.
If we didn't have those emotional responses, how human would we be?
We might end up hurting ourselves by way of eating something that's not good for us, or putting ourselves in dangerous situations.

Ummm

[toxic plover]

@vernal crypt he's an alt account probably a potential troll

[vernal crypt]

I see
Oh joy😂

[polar tiger]

They obscure our minds and we tend to to reckless deeds under the effect of our emotional perception.

[vernal crypt]

Speak for yourself

[thorny steeple]

Nevertheless, the idea of transferring your consciousness into machineries sounds honestly intriguing. We could advance to a more sophisticated and powerful intelligent life form, almost reaching the level of an immortal being and being on par with other extraterrestrial life forms (if they would ever have any possibilities of existence)

[vernal crypt]

Maturity and life experience helps us to keep our emotions in perspective, but they are also helpful in guiding us to a certain extent.

[polar tiger]

I want to think rationally, without any prejudice or false implications. It is impossible for a biological brain to have the clear view on literally any object or subject in existence.

[toxic plover]

Nice sophisticated graph

[vernal crypt]

Ok
But explain where emotions have caused you such great harm, that you'd want to completely remove them?

[toxic plover]

My ex (jk)

[vernal crypt]

Ok
So unable to respond.

[toxic plover]

I'm a different person lol

[vernal crypt]

Remove feelings/emotions and you won't enjoy music, art, affection, nothing

[polar tiger]

I feel grief, angst, sorrow, pain, depression, rage, anger and all the palette of emotions which are considered to be harmful. My brain is filled with them, so why not replace it with something that can not produce any of them, and have a clear, unbiased view on the Universe?

[vernal crypt]

Is that what you'd really want?

[toxic plover]

Enjoying is a feeling

Without emotions u won't be really "sad" or feel "bad"

[polar tiger]

You won't be able to feel anything that limits you.

[vernal crypt]

I understand.
Suffering depression and anxiety and other mental health issues are not easy for anyone
There is help out there, therapy and resources available.

[thorny steeple]

But it would be pretty boring to be omniscient. Since you already know everything, life and death themselves just remain as meaningless and trivial things to you. Maybe only the Void is the only thing left that triggers your interest, but you would be completely erased out of existence and left unconscious eternally as it is just absolute nothingness.

[polar tiger]

Emotions, physiological needs, mental illnesses and other things that obscure your vision.

[polar tiger]

I will be stigmatized should the doctors ever write that I suffer from "special" mental conditions. Stigma = social suicide.

[thorny steeple]

You are Stockdale Texas then

[lavish finch]

Ok, I'm banning you.

[polar tiger]

Can you remove this unkind sir from our kind conversation, please?

[vernal crypt]

Who would know besides you and your Dr?

[toxic plover]

They're just an alternative account, i wish there was a way to IP ban someone

[polar tiger]

My potential employers.

[polar tiger]

IP bans are easy to avoid, hardware ban is the solution.

[vernal crypt]

I believe there is a law(maybe depending on your country)
Dr patient privacy rights
They can't divulge your info to anyone without your consent

[polar tiger]

Mine never adapted such laws.

Which country holds no relevance.

[thorny steeple]

Unless they are super duper rich that they can just buy new devices after one is banned, so the cycle continues 💀

[vernal crypt]

I see.
What about online help?
I know that you can use some online help for free and it's anonymous
It's through the UK

[polar tiger]

That's the point. U gotta assemble a new pc or buy a new laptop to continue futile attacks on a server.

[lavish finch]

If a dude wants to buy a new laptop just to say "Texas is full of shit" one more time, power to them.

[polar tiger]

I am not in the UK or the EU in general, I am out of the reach of the EU norms and standarts. The only thing I can tell is that my county is located to the east of the UK beyond the La Manche.

[polar tiger]

Well I call this the wasted potential type of person.

They are very dedicated towards some idiotic shit with fanatism of a zealot.

[lavish finch]

Of course it's wasted potential.

[polar tiger]

Imagine if they would invest into something useful and not just idioticity and tomfoolery beyond any reason.

[lavish finch]

That would be my advice, of course. But some people believe the only way to themselves is to destroy themselves.

[vernal crypt]

I'm not in the UK either. You can email them .
If you want info. Just send me a friend request

[polar tiger]

I can't call this a self destruction, they just have nothing better to do rather then trying to ruin someone else's day.

What for? Who knows, standart logic can not be applied in this case.

[lavish finch]

Oh it most certainly is a self destructive act.

[polar tiger]

Thank you for the pieces of advice but I would rather keep it to myself.

[lavish finch]

It certainly did not destroy me.

[polar tiger]

Can you elaborate on that? If I follow it right then if you don't do anything useful for yourself or for the others, then you digress, am I right?

[lavish finch]

I mean that when we attack others it has consequences. We provoke others to retaliate.

[polar tiger]

Uh huh, so the basic touch = response, right?

The basic of all basic stimuli

[vernal crypt]

I understand. 💚

[lavish finch]

I don't know what you mean by touch. He was just spamming. Creating noise that adds nothing, so I silenced him.

[polar tiger]

Eh, just don't mind it.

Me is being myself.

As per usual.

[lavish finch]

In information science communication is defined on a spectrum between noise and signal.

In communication the goal is to reduce noise and increase signal.

[polar tiger]

Hmmm, makes sense.

[lavish finch]

Noise is defined as contradiction, redundancy, ambiguity.

[polar tiger]

Well, now I have to look up the defenitions of the 3 metioned parameters.

[lavish finch]

contradiction; a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.

ambiguity; the quality of being open to more than one interpretation; inexactness.

[polar tiger]

Yes, I see now.

[lavish finch]

redundant; (of words or data) able to be omitted without loss of meaning or function.

[polar tiger]

So if we combine all of these we get the process of communication?

[lavish finch]

if we reduce them we increase communication

[polar tiger]

Ah-hah, makes sense.

Now I have to memorize the definitions of the 3 parameters as well as the narrow meaning of the word communication.

Some information for the brain to consume.

[lavish finch]

These ideas come from information theory which asks how information can be quantified, encoded, transmitted, and decoded.

It's a mathematical theory of communication.

It's a different angle than what people who study language look at.

[polar tiger]

Understandable, but does it concern itself with the ways of how we can improve the quality, quantity, en and decryption of the data, or it is something that just transfers the burden of the studies onto the other fields of science?

And studies the communication in shell, without a clear use in the reality outside of the mathematical models?

[lavish finch]

I would say any deeper understanding of a subject would contribute to practical applications.

[vernal crypt]

It's not a matter of memorization, but common sense.
We can usually tell the difference between someone who is engaging a chat and one who seems to be sabotaging it in some way.

[polar tiger]

I just hope that we can have something we can transfer the data with no losses, inaccuracies and other major troubles which arise when we are engaged in the process of communication.

[lavish finch]

Sure

[lavish finch]

There is a myth, even a dogma, that communication and language are the same. They are very different.

My main interest has been language.

[polar tiger]

I want to memorize as much as I can, because I feel that my brain has become too stubborn to learn, memorize and use any new words, and I have to make the brain work.

[vernal crypt]

Not everyone has a natural common sense, but most people do and there is also a kind of sixth sense we use to detect sarcasm or a brush off

[lavish finch]

People who study language and communication, for example linguistics who study pragmatics, are interested in how we use language in context to communicate meaning.

[polar tiger]

To oil the rusted gears of the consciousness and the subconsciousness in some maner.

[lavish finch]

Sure. I do think everyone has natural common sense, but that they may be blocked from accessing it for various reasons.

[vernal crypt]

As for memorising
Try the practical approach.
It's helped me learn my second language.

[vernal crypt]

Yeah
I think I said that, but maybe I wasn't clear.

Even those blocked from using it can sometimes sense when a person isn't being altruistic in their statements

[lavish finch]

For example, how when we say "Can you open the window?" we want to know how it's possible to determine that such a question means "please open the window" not "do you have the ability to open the window?".

I forget my common sense often!

And it's usually disastrous.

(and my common sense is telling me to take another break now 😁 )

[polar tiger]

I see that you guys have engaged into something that is within the reach of my comprehension but not within the reach where I can say something relevant to the topic.

[crystal saddle]

Depends on context bro

[polar tiger]

I hate these failures of communtication.

[crystal saddle]

This doesn't really relate to anything but pragmatics matters, it can be a polite request or it can be a question about a person's ability to open the window in the context that it could be locked

I just realised u guys were talking about pragmatics beforehand lol

[ornate siren]

Now this chat actually seems serious. Very interesting.

[thorny steeple]

I think it's fairly easy to understand the context to these questions especially within cultural or societal context. We can naturally detect the nuance and act accordingly.

It's different when we aren't fluent in that language or familiar with culture. In those cases, we often fail to get what the other person is trying to say and then we do something else and feel totally dumb afterwards 😁

[ornate siren]

@lavish finch You had to consult ChatGPT to know of the possible setting of the Odyssey? Do they call you GreenGPT for nothing, then? 😅

[sharp zinc]

@lavish finchwho won this case? Plaintiffs or the Defendants?

if anyone got the answer plz fill me in?

[lavish finch]

Plaintiffs won. Biden lost. It’s being appealed by Biden.

[sharp zinc]

AMAZING NEWS

[lavish finch]

It is amazing

A rare win

[sharp zinc]

I hope his appeal would be rejected or lose it

[lavish finch]

There are congressional hearings happening presently

[crystal saddle]

what case are we talking about here

smth to do with hunter?

[lavish finch]

No

social media companies being pressured to censor protected speech

[sharp zinc]

but I'm expecting some bad

[crystal saddle]

what speech

[lavish finch]

that’s a negative prediction

[sharp zinc]

realistic one buddy, even if Yes it might sound so

[thorny steeple]

Is it bad to make negative predictions?

Who filled the case?

[full river]

If it happened in my country it would be acted out just to create a fake impression of democracy and in the end "Biden" would definitely win

[lavish finch]

You can read it in detail here

[sharp zinc]

I'm sure u know what will be the out come of this... if really WON final

[crystal saddle]

turkey moment

[sharp zinc]

the out come is going to be amazinggggggggg

[lavish finch]

That’s also a negative prediction

[sharp zinc]

but they won't allow it

[lavish finch]

Nothing is ever final except death. We won these rights 200 years ago and we are still fighting for them.

[sharp zinc]

remember James... that negativity is not the issue here... thats a stat of mind.. u the one said: we live in the world we make not the one we want!!

[full river]

It is. I would love to be positive but difficult based on the observations we have had so far

[lavish finch]

You’re confusing your observations with your interpretations again

[crystal saddle]

hes just practicing englisgh

[lavish finch]

Blurring the differences

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, we can predict our experiences and gut feelings and what has happened in the past. If we look at the past. It's natural to make such predictions.

[sharp zinc]

I'm in favor of this case to be won final

[thorny steeple]

What is the argument of those who aren't in favor of it? Do they not want free speech in society?

[sharp zinc]

youtube will be F**ed up real goooooooooooooooooood... and they deserve it Goooooooogle as well

[crystal saddle]

no more social media inshallah

[toxic plover]

It's hard to be optimistic nowadays tbh lol

[lavish finch]

There’s a third alternatice between being pessimistic and optimistic, which is being open to the unknown

[crystal saddle]

had a stroke reading ur previous sentence

[sharp zinc]

this is like an ostrich burying its head in the sand

[toxic plover]

Hahaha

[crystal saddle]

what are you on about

[sharp zinc]

fix them... not eliminate them

[crystal saddle]

nah defo eliminate them bro

[sharp zinc]

this case... is a step forward into this

[crystal saddle]

we need to go back to humanity's ooga booga era

[sharp zinc]

ok.. sharpen ur sword then

[toxic plover]

It's good to be Neutral about things that are unknown, it's healthier, but you can't help but feel pessimistic about the future considering all the current events.

We are creating a future that's scary.

[crystal saddle]

scary means exciting

the downfall of society is soon alhamdulillah

[sharp zinc]

Jamessssssssssssssssssss... thanks for this PDF and the news about this case.... I'm forwarding it to many friends already

[toxic plover]

Depends how you interpret/define that

[crystal saddle]

exciting means exciting bro

[toxic plover]

[sharp zinc]

it needs support

[crystal saddle]

not too hard to understand

be scared enough and you'll become an adrenaline junkie

[toxic plover]

Scary

Some will define scary as gloomy and dark

[crystal saddle]

every semantic intension of every sememe in the word scary is negative except for like "scary good" or smth lmao

scary is scary, same as how exciting is exciting

we're not arguing semantics rn

[toxic plover]

I'm not being literal bruh

[crystal saddle]

the future is scary which makes it exciting and mysterious, that's how i wanna live

when life is unpredictable you're in a video game

[toxic plover]

We are beyond simple "definitions"

[crystal saddle]

what are you on about man

why's everyone blabbering about nonsense here jesus christ 💀

[toxic plover]

You know what, forget about it

You're talking literal, I'm talking philosophical, miss communication

[crystal saddle]

psuedo philosohpy you mean

this isnt a deep conversation man i was just saying my opinion about how scary means exciting and ur getting nonsensical

not everything has to be complicated

[toxic plover]

.....

[thorny steeple]

Hi there . Are you native English guys?

[crystal saddle]

ye

im not from any english speaking country but we speak english at home ye

[lusty zenith]

[toxic plover]

Yeah same

[thorny steeple]

I had a question guys . How can increase English level to C1 ? And how much time it will take?

[crystal saddle]

what's your current level

immerse yourself around english speakers and you'll learn it quick enough, depends on your mindset and how you learn

[thorny steeple]

Maybe intermediate but I never checked it

[crystal saddle]

i studied language learning methodology so i can answer this for you, if you're b1 then it'll take around a few months of serious learning to reach C1 when we're talking about english

english is a complex language but if you're used to its nuances etc you can learn it really quickly

just need to expand your vocab and learn how other natives speak

[lavish finch]

You're very welcome

[thorny steeple]

Ok got it

What's the point of getting C1/C2?

[crystal saddle]

basically just speak english every single day, not just a few hours but surround yourself with english and you'll find yourself speaking like a native eventually lul

[lavish finch]

That's true. Anxiety and excitement are very similar.

[toxic plover]

The value of it depends on the person

[crystal saddle]

what kind of question is this, is there a point besides just speaking english fluently?

[thorny steeple]

Maybe, that's why I'm asking

[thorny steeple]

I need to pass the exam man

[crystal saddle]

C1 is the level where most native english speakers are at, C2 is advanced english with many esoteric words, if you study literature you'll get to that level probably

[toxic plover]

Jobs, immigration

[thorny steeple]

K

[thorny steeple]

Aha ok

[lavish finch]

Maybe the point is to achieve a place where you're interested in using English for something other than talking about how to learn English.

[crystal saddle]

english is the lingua franca of the world, international language, it's useful to speak it fluently

luckily i never had to learn it i know how hard that is lmao

with its shit ton of irregularities

[toxic plover]

If ur not from any english speaking countries, then where are u from ?

[crystal saddle]

it's complicated

[toxic plover]

And why did you join this server if your English is good

[crystal saddle]

english is my native language that's all ya need to know rly

[crystal saddle]

idk man my friends told me about this server so i joined

[toxic plover]

Sure, im not forcing an answer.

[crystal saddle]

better not be 👀

[toxic plover]

Alright.

[thorny steeple]

Someone said that learning language it will be faster when your are in native language country

[crystal saddle]

i mean yeah passive learning isnt really recommended but sure it'll help expand your vocab and get used to the spoken language

colloquial english and all that, but u can do that over the internet

it's not hard since your english is already good enough to advance really quickly

[lavish finch]

The court case ruling happened a few weeks ago. You can watch this video from last night for an update on this story. "New Evidence Proves Biden White House Coerced Facebook’s Rampant Censorship."

https://rumble.com/v32rjp4-system-update-show-119.html

[thick jungle]

so your native language is English and you are from Palestine

[crystal saddle]

nah im not from palestine, as i said it's complex and i won't be getting into it

i just live in palestine ye

im going to be taking english teaching courses in turkey soon, CertTESOL

[lavish finch]

(leaving)

[crystal saddle]

then ill prob stay there for around a year and start teaching english around the world

[thorny steeple]

You now bro I had problems with you now when natives talk I can’t 100 % understand them they talk so fast for me I don’t how can I solve this problem

[crystal saddle]

you need to listen bro

watch like english shows n all that and you'll get used to it

join voice chats maybe

learning how to understand how a language is spoken is the worst part when you're learning a language that isn't spoken in your country

[thorny steeple]

Someone told me that you will be good when you listen a lot podcast

[crystal saddle]

i myself can read and write in turkish very well but i can barely understand them when they speak lol, and i dont watch any turkish shows or enter voice chats very often

[crystal saddle]

yeah that also but ppl tend to talk clearly and slowly in podcasts so you probably won't get used to colloquial english like that

if it's like a standard podcast where a group of ppl just talk about random things casually then ye that'd work

[thorny steeple]

Absolutely right bro because I tried to listen some podcasts I understand but when listen usually speaking English sometimes I couldn’t get it …

[ashen patrol]

Does someone have problems with understanding American rappers¿?

[thorny steeple]

And

[median thorn]

hrllo

[ashen patrol]

I was listening lil baby and understood nothing without subtitles

[slim fjord]

Yes me

I can't rap like anyway

[umbral spruce]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Oi??

[civic reef]

slowly?

i think i haven't seen a podcast in which speakers talked slowly

[crystal saddle]

in scientific podcasts yeah they tend to speak slowly so that they're clear

that's just my experience i havent been to many podcasts

[civic reef]

ah yeah, i didnt listen to scientific podcasts i guess

plus maybe we have different ideas of slowly

i personally heard a lot of weird things, like colloquial english, in podcasts, but i think that if the speaker speaks literally only slang, then maybe it is not worth listening to in the first place

[civic reef]

like the only topics you can talk about using almost purely slang are sex, drugs, and alcohol

[lavish finch]

Oi!

[thorny steeple]

Oii

[lavish finch]

Oooiiiiii Angellineeeeee

[ornate siren]

Oi mateys g'day y'all

[jaunty mesa]

Oi Oi

[ornate siren]

Yyeeah ow's it gawoin' guv'nor?

[thorny steeple]

😹😹😹😹

[lavish finch]

I’m outside. It’s very hot. I’m on my bicycle. And I’m sweating.

[thorny steeple]

Everyone happy to see me, I'm feeling happy right now 😹🥰

[ornate siren]

I'd wager not as hot as it is here

We sweat up in the bathroom.

[lavish finch]

I hear some pride. In how hot it gets there, Nocturnal.

[jaunty mesa]

Oh, make sure you use your energy correctly. Otherwise you will sweat even more 🙂 have a safe ride!

[thorny steeple]

Let me bring joy to the serious chat.

Pepe dance

[bitter badger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852805796789354496/908736553164083240/image0-1-1.gif

[ornate siren]

Heat bears pride, or so they say.

[lavish finch]

Oh I feel joyous too

and pride in getting myself outside at all

[jaunty mesa]

🚴‍♂️ 😓 🌞

[ornate siren]

There's no pride in bearing the heat, just bad luck and suffering.

[lavish finch]

I can seclude myself in air-conditioning for days

[ornate siren]

Y'all better not. Global warming's a thing.

So I don't no matter how hard I want to.

[lavish finch]

How does that feel? Telling me what I should and shouldn’t do.

[lusty zenith]

[ornate siren]

It feels horrible.

[civic reef]

i think it must feel awesome, a lot of people like to do that to me

[ornate siren]

As to what you should and shouldn't do, you may look that up on the web.

[lavish finch]

It feels horrible but you love to do it is that right?

[ornate siren]

I'm forced to do that.

[lavish finch]

Forced!

[ornate siren]

Compelled. Obliged.

[civic reef]

coerced

[lavish finch]

A slave

[ornate siren]

A slave, to the commands of Nature. The Nature humans like me have been defiling and disgracing for ages.

[lavish finch]

Any particular part of nature? The plants? The animals? The minerals?

[ornate siren]

Everything.

The framework.

[lavish finch]

Sounds like everybody gets a voice except you.

[ornate siren]

Now that's what I don't get. Both literally and figuratively.

[lavish finch]

No wonder you feel horrible

[ornate siren]

Anyone would.

Especially if they're from the temperate zones.

And with such conscience.

[lavish finch]

Do you imagine everyone is a slave or just you?

[ornate siren]

People like me.

[lavish finch]

What are you like?

[lusty zenith]

Most philosophisticated conversation in EngHub

[ornate siren]

Like people who've been proselytized by the destruction of Nature.

Other than that, I'm that what you take me for.

[lavish finch]

Would you like to know if others here can relate?

[ornate siren]

Well, why not?

[lavish finch]

Ask

And look around

[ornate siren]

Not now. I haven't time.

[lavish finch]

We make time for what’s important

[ornate siren]

I have time when you people sleep.

[ornate siren]

This is not that important to me right now. I mean, I have to study Physics.

[lavish finch]

Sleep is important

[ornate siren]

You people have time when I sleep.

[lavish finch]

You want to study physics

[ornate siren]

I have to.

[lavish finch]

When does your prison sentence begin?

[ornate siren]

Me, incarcerated? Not that I've heard of.

[ornate siren]

Otherwise, I despise maths.

[lavish finch]

Of course you do. We tend to despise things we think we have to do.

[ornate siren]

Of course we do.

[lavish finch]

Believing that we have to do something is an authority issue.

A category of inner conflict

We externalize the conflict onto an outer authority.

A parent, a teacher, a government, nature.

[ornate siren]

That's human nature.

[lavish finch]

What is taking our own authority to make decisions for ourselves? Is that also human nature?

[lavish finch]

Human nature is a catch all phrase used to describe all kinds of behaviors.

Whatever behavior you call human nature, chances are you can find someone doing the opposite.

Humans certainly do have a nature, inherent to our biology.

[ornate siren]

We make our own decisions. The externalization is human nature.

[lavish finch]

There is an alternative to externalizing our authority issue.

Which looks like owning our own decisions without reference to any external authority.

Externalizing occurs as a result of splitting off from our true self.

"Have to" is a compliant relationship to external authority.

External authority is a matter of fact. There are many, many things bigger and stronger than us for which we have no control.

But there are a variety of ways to relate to those external forces.

Going compliant is one. Rebelling is another.

A third is negotiation

There are two kinds of compliant behavior, active and passive.

passive compliancy looks like people pleasing

active compliancy looks like bullying subordinates

Also known as one-up/one-down relationships.

We split off from parts of ourselves that are hurt or that we consider unacceptable.

In that sense it's true, it is a part of human nature.

We can also learn how to take it back.

To have our own voice and to use our voice in negotiations with external authorities.

So that we can work together towards common goals.

[ornate siren]

Well, studying Physics is technically under my control, but it's indispensable if I am to make a stand in life. So it's a one-up/one-down in case of my relationship regarding such subjects with my parents. And with me also, for conscience dominates over whims. And therefore, active compliancy (and not withdrawal or insurgence) for the time being, is mandatory for my vacillating thoughts.

[civic reef]

You know, when i read some of your sentences, I can not help but think I am reading one of the books, in which the author seems to deliberately make me not understand what I am reading, even though i know all the words they used. I am not sure if thats a compliment or not, its just an odd feeling

maybe am exaggerating, if i pay more attention and think again then it sounds clearer

[ornate siren]

My conscience, therefore, obstructs my voice, and concludes that any negotiation with a suitable external authority, including that imposed by my parents, will ultimately prove destructive and overall, this induces the "have to", which is nothing but the helpless ejaculation of my pleasure-seeking temporary thoughts being crushed by conscience which is itself, in turn, powerlessly attuned to the bilious education system of my country.

[ornate siren]

I can't get over how serious you are with ONLY ME, unlike what you are (many a time) to others.

[lavish finch]

As you are demonstrating, resentment is usually just below the surface when we go compliant.

I'm curious, do you know how you feel towards me?

[ornate siren]

And how you provoke the silence in deepest chasms of reasoning that are in my mind. But all this doesn't change the fact that I have to go study, so adieu for now.

[lavish finch]

Like when you say you can't get over how serious I am with you, are you annoyed with me?

[ornate siren]

Of course not. Good talk, good talk.

[lavish finch]

Bye Nocturnal

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch

[ornate siren]

Bye everyone

[lavish finch]

Hi Angelline

[thorny steeple]

Do you have 10 minutes to vc? I want an English coaching. 😹

Oh it started a class rn!

[lavish finch]

Enjoy the class

We can talk about English coaching another time

(leaving)

[last bane]

Hi, my name is Elizabeth, I need practice English because i need to find a job. I am a developer software

[thorny steeple]

I thought it was your class!

[thorny steeple]

Hii Liza! Join any vc and start talking! 🥰

Don't be shy like me. 😹

[lavish finch]

Oh!

It was Grant's class, right?

[thorny steeple]

It was a play gamee

[lavish finch]

Misunderstanding.

[thorny steeple]

I was shy to answer the Batman's city, LOL

[lavish finch]

Shy?

[thorny steeple]

If I'm knowing right the meaning of this word, yes.

[sharp zinc]

aggrandizement 😅

[inner vale]

Yes 🤚

Are you there??

Ohh

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[brave gulch]

Hello 👋

[thorny steeple]

What languages do you know cool coder?

İ meant coding languages

[brave gulch]

Python and java

[thorny steeple]

Hello serious chatters!

[jaunty mesa]

hi

[thorny steeple]

Hii Bora! How are Turkey today?

[jaunty mesa]

how are Turkey?

[sharp zinc]

@thorny steepleare u into writing?

[thorny steeple]

😹

[jaunty mesa]

Idk, turkeys are in farm rn

[thorny steeple]

Let me say I am trying. I do!