Polls 5.0

[low lance]

Haven't done astro in almost a month can't do astro probably for another it being November and all

[summer turret]

Ngl I use a combination of both siril and pix

[low lance]

Siril pixinsight and dss

Also graxpert

[urban quiver]

why would aliens wanna come here

If they’re aliens I wanna nuke them

pretty please ❤️

[zealous cloak]

We look so hard for intelligent life outside of earth because there isnt any inside ❤️‍🩹

[swift heart]

aliens would be natural though

[limpid geode]

If they're aliens they're pretty smart

[urban quiver]

I hope we nuke them

The universe is for humans only

[limpid geode]

Disguising themselves as a natural object, going completely dormant as they pass through the solar system on a perfect tour, and not landing on a potentially hostile planet

[cerulean elm]

Ok... debatable. Right now is definitely more fun because I can get better cleaner data. But when I started it was a different kind of enthusiasm. Ngl, I miss the night of just looking trough the telescope and having the time to actually image. Right now the fun is cut because of work and other things. Sucks to be an adult

[undone sinew]

Damn💔

my condolences

[lofty jetty]

same

siril for stacking and pix for everything else but since its a free trial i'm going back to siril soon :(

[tender hollow]

It's a different kind of fun than when I started

[delicate lance]

seeing jupiters moons for the first time was such a wow effect. i cant replicate it

[late summit]

It'll probably feel more fun than when I started when i get my hands on a big ass dob

[brisk copper]

fatdob

[somber belfry]

same

[urban quiver]

I love the 533 square and prefer its FOV i get with my Askar 71f

[somber belfry]

u want more nebulae or galaxies

[urban quiver]

neb

[somber belfry]

585 more ha sensitive

[urban quiver]

its minor

not enough that I care

plus you lose some of that compared to the 533 cause the pixel difference

[somber belfry]

u gonnna get sharper pics cuz smaller pixels too

[brisk copper]

this is one of those polls that are kinda dumb, you will go with your own choice anyways

its like flipping a coin and realising the other option is the one you wanted

[urban quiver]

i like to hear other perspectives

[brisk copper]

so you go for that instead

[swift heart]

My current rig sure beats the 3" f/8 hobby killer Newt with spherical optics and pinched primary I started with

And I haven't even factored in the camera!

[swift heart]

You're not shooting IR right?

And you're using an Askar 71F?

[swift heart]

The sampling is better with a 533 assuming it's being paired with an Askar 71F

[somber belfry]

whats the pixel scale

[somber belfry]

no it isnt

[somber belfry]

undersampled

speciallly for good seeing

[swift heart]

f/6.9 (nice) and you're comparing 3.76 μm pixels (533) to 2.9 μm pixels (585)

[somber belfry]

in good seeing

[swift heart]

actually you're right. I'm shooting at f/8 and my stars are going to be more bloated due to seeing and the big CO on my scope

f/ratios are comparable but they're not everything

[urban quiver]

Yes

[delicate lance]

lowest bob supremacy

[low lance]

Depends what do you want to do

[low lance]

You can always binn if it comes to it

[urban quiver]

already said nebula

[low lance]

Yeah i saw that after

[brisk copper]

533, since you dont care about ir

[urban quiver]

who cares about ir let’s be real here

[brisk copper]

yk half of my filters are ir filter right?

[urban quiver]

no

[brisk copper]

[urban quiver]

ir sucks. Glad I block it

[brisk copper]

[low lance]

I do and also half of the most active members on this server do lol

IR FOR LIFE

The second SWIR cameras become cheap I'm gonna buy one

Because with NIR its like two in one you get light pollution reduction similar to that of narrowband with the broadband of well broadband

[swift heart]

me.

it works great on obscured galaxies

[brisk copper]

i need one so bad

[brisk copper]

i love and hate that galaxy

[low lance]

What galaxy is that again

[swift heart]

IC 342 (Caldwell 5)

the data isn't even that good due to bad flats

[brisk copper]

its the darn hidey galaxy

[low lance]

The only downside is you dont get a lot of that juicy structure

[swift heart]

You mean from IR or just due to extinction?

[low lance]

From the ir

[swift heart]

I'll see what I can do with this target once my flats are actually correcting properly

[low lance]

Like

Could be because its black and white

[swift heart]

I'm only shooting IR data on this target, it's part of a collaboration with a refractor user

[low lance]

Who

Is it gonna be on astrobin

[swift heart]

Someone who is not a member of this server

[swift heart]

And yes very likely

[low lance]

How long have you spent on it so far

[swift heart]

About 12 hours total, but most of the data is useless due to the flat undercorrection issue I've been experiencing.

Fingers crossed I've fixed it

What you're seeing is only 4 hours (1 per panel)

[low lance]

This is 12hrs?

[low lance]

Oh

I mean its not terrible for 4hrs

[swift heart]

The flat undercorrection issue didn't show up when I shot it on a moonless night

[low lance]

Still more noisy than i expected

[brisk copper]

whaaa, can i see ur fov on it?

[swift heart]

I forgot if I even denoised this data lol

[low lance]

Lol can't wait till i can get into IR imaging

[brisk copper]

denoise is overrated anyways

do a 0.8x downsample if you want denoise!!!

[low lance]

I cant go to b4 for the entire winter due to a lack of winter tires and during summer i can go often anyway due to my parents having jobs and whatnot so that leaves only Saturday and Sundays which i can go all the time due to moon so yeah ir is pretty much a game changer at least till i can get my proper drivers license which should be around next summer

Then i can go and spend 2 nights in a row and pretty much every night

[brisk copper]

the only issue with ir is gradients in my experiance

i have been able to correct them thoes

[swift heart]

I did a 2x downsample

[brisk copper]

[swift heart]

I don't have it offhand but when I pull out my mini PC I can show you

[brisk copper]

oki :3

[swift heart]

But it's about 40'x40'

I'm trying to match my friend's Askar 120 APO field, and he's operating at 840 mm focal length

so I'm doing a 2x2 mosaic

(he also has a 533)

[brisk copper]

a

i sees

[limpid geode]

Thanks em

Me

[lofty jetty]

you might even say... hidden galaxies

[cerulean elm]

Well... either if you bin or do a software bin later you will get the same results with a CMOS.

[delicate lance]

Bin a 4K Camera? To 2MP?

[cold moon]

I'm sorry but why aren't you including the correct answer?

[cold moon]

We were created in God's image 🗣️

[limpid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-from-paul-paul-smirk-gif-13766572631470447663

[white roost]

Then why did he make me so choped

[brisk copper]

i was created in my image

[low lance]

Yeah when you have a 1 arcsecond per pixel res you really won't notice it

[swift heart]

We are all god's children and he left us in a hot car

[low lance]

With 2 arcsecond seeing

[marble hearth]

Some parts may look interesting, but others are just overdone or are super easy to overprocess 😩

[rain void]

there is no such thing as "the nebula in its entirety" unless you're making an actual survey

^proof

[delicate lance]

what we would consider the nebula to be in its entirety

[rain void]

what is?

there is tons of nebula outside the edges

[delicate lance]

there is no set of "guidelines" for it but you could also just argue what the object classification points too

[swift heart]

The Milky Way is a nebula

[delicate lance]

technically NA nebula is just zoomed in cygnus complex

[rain void]

yeah that's what i'm saying. Either you're only doing a part of it, or you're doing the whole sky lol

[delicate lance]

core of lagoon is great
entire lagoon sucks

core of orion looks cool
entire orion is mid

thats the point im trynna make

cygnus wall is super cool, entire NA nebula not as much

[marble hearth]

"core of orion looks cool"

[swift heart]

Yes

[rain void]

yup

[swift heart]

I did not realize there's a bigger Heart Nebula than the Heart Nebula

(it's the Orion-Eridanus Superbubble)

[marble hearth]

SO MUCH DUST

[desert obsidian]

Hmmm… I think I may try it out with the sct

A couple pannels should do iy

[swift heart]

you sure?

[swift heart]

I love how none of you have faith in me

[marble hearth]

(The 3 people who voted yes have never taken flats)

[summer turret]

roki rig = ~$800
noot rig = ~$2.6k

[obsidian plover]

roki way less pain and less money

[leaden copper]

what in the roki rig makes it 800

[obsidian plover]

roki=700-900$ bucks

[leaden copper]

oh is this ozzy money

[summer turret]

nvm

[marble hearth]

Bro didn't like the democratic opinion 😭

[summer turret]

there has been a change in plans

[swift heart]

Where is the RC rig option

[summer turret]

Never.

[swift heart]

But... but... M'agellanic clouds

[swift heart]

🦀 FLAT ARTIFACT IS GONE 🦀

[leaden copper]

corcles

[plucky vigil]

roki is a waste

stop spending lots on little stuff

you would love high focal length imaging (with a viable rig)

[summer turret]

n

[plucky vigil]

?

[summer turret]

stuffs jsut hapened

im scrwed massively

[plucky vigil]

Elaborate?

[summer turret]

really shouldve looked into thsi FBW thing before i got the camera

[plucky vigil]

FBW?

[summer turret]

Focus By Wire

[plucky vigil]

ah

[summer turret]

like its actually cucked me over so much

[tribal coral]

FBW is that Nikon thingy right?

[reef viper]

i am the most brainrotted server member.

[summer turret]

all lenses have it

[split light]

Vote!

[plucky vigil]

you need to slow down, set your sights on a rig, and get it. no more buying little stuff and upgrades and accessories that are expensive and have little upgradeability / room for progression. Save up, research, and get the big rig you deserve. You got a good camera coming, you are 1 step closer to the big rig, dont think of it as a mistake. Pleeeeaaasesese trust me.

[summer turret]

lol my dad wants me to refund the camera bc my lens wont work with it

[plucky vigil]

dont tempt me to bring back brown dwarf

[summer turret]

its all over the place atm idk waht shappening

and ive got an exam tommorow arvo and here i am worried about my astro rig

[plucky vigil]

yeah see i feel like so much of what you buy is 1 step forward 2 steps back. Dont refund it, keep chipping away at getting the rig you deserve.

focus on the exam

[plucky vigil]

pls listen to this tho

[summer turret]

yea but lik when ive spent $1.5k on a camera its on me that i shouldve done my research better and bc of this my parents cant trust me to get new gear

[plucky vigil]

mistakes happen, oh well. It is your money, you are an adult. They need to be less helicopter parentish - no offence.

you worked hard for it.

money is for spending, youre young.

money is for spending on telescopes and girls

[summer turret]

those arguments wont work on indian parents

[plucky vigil]

not sitting in ur bank account deppreciating

[summer turret]

trust me - ive tried

[plucky vigil]

its not an argument, its what you should do.

[summer turret]

yea i dont really know

ive got a bunch of shit flying around inmy head now

[plucky vigil]

focus on the exam for now

toodles bye

[reef viper]

waning new and waxing are all goated

i caught this 2% waxing

old pic

[swift heart]

The flat frame issue is fixed, at least in narrowband. Thanks @brisk copper, @summer turret, and @devout tinsel for having faith in me even when I didn't

[cerulean elm]

Bruv, you voted NO as well

[ivory mural]

what is this hate on sam

[low lance]

I do 😁

[low lance]

You just gotta be optimistic

[low lance]

See i knew it

[swift heart]

Exactly.

[fossil temple]

We do not know

[swift heart]

So did you.

[cold moon]

You can tell we are astrophotographers/astronomers because a normal human being would never vote new moon

[brisk copper]

moon ugly pos :3

[cerulean elm]

If you don't believe in yourself nobody else would. Confidence is the foundation of motivation.

[swift heart]

Oh I was 100% certain the adapter was the problem

[swift heart]

context for those who missed: an adapter in my imaging train is reflective

[zealous cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-13669406505701813608

[ivory mural]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-walk-away-weirdo-touch-gif-26494423

[swift heart]

if you voted no, screw you

[autumn nacelle]

Sadness

[fossil temple]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-intimidate-serious-gif-1225131945436097759

[leaden copper]

rare ashen L :(

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-of-this-gif-2218387369813418815

[plucky vigil]

aaaaahahhaha

[fallen obsidian]

@reef viper

[summer turret]

never interacted with

[reef viper]

https://tenor.com/view/green-seal-seal-gif-15884549673820829503

[fallen obsidian]

can you elaborate

[reef viper]

greenie

[mint talon]

lover

[fallen obsidian]

can you make the slander

[fossil temple]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-gif-13342724363430229217

[white roost]

@brisk copper

[brisk copper]

buh

[white roost]

Bobs cheating on you

[brisk copper]

nu :c

[white roost]

Yesums

[cedar dome]

What lore did I miss

[mint talon]

hey i never said that me and tea are doing anything smh

[white roost]

you never said, tea however

[mint talon]

wait where

[white roost]

#1411387988776058891 message

[mint talon]

oh yea

:3

[white roost]

#💬-general-chat message'

[white roost]

#💬-general-chat message

[mint talon]

uhhhhhh

:3

[marble hearth]

The lovesbirds

Or lovecats should I say?

[brisk copper]

tut tut tut

[mint talon]

wha?

sorgy

:(

[brisk copper]

:*

[mint talon]

tieypo

[brisk copper]

:*

[cerulean elm]

Processing software above the gear in this case💀

[urban quiver]

Im doing fine with Siril and SAS

[brisk copper]

sas bad

just use siril

[urban quiver]

I like SAS

Way better for mono

not that I do mono

Perfect Pallet picker is great

[cold moon]

SAS doesn't like you tho

[urban quiver]

wow

[cold moon]

While Siril loves everyone

[brisk copper]

siril is all loving

[marble hearth]

use the trial version and save up for now

[void jolt]

sas

[zealous cloak]

[mint talon]

does the beginner get prep time

[hybrid echo]

depends if they are the topaz type of beginner or not

[marble hearth]

yall think a very new beginner in B1 with untracked phone can outperform a pro APer with the best equipment in B9?

[ivory mural]

no

[brisk copper]

no

[tribal coral]

no way

[void jolt]

probably will survive but the data would be unusable

[cedar dome]

EQ6R, yes. GTi, no

[low lance]

For a raw image i think the beginner would win but processed experience would match or maybe surpass

[low lance]

My rig weights as much as me 💀 unless it gets hit by debris then its fine

[swift heart]

Me without counterweights

[cerulean elm]

Starts sweating at a gentle 1mph gust of wind😂

[bronze minnow]

breathes on rig
rig goes flying

[brisk copper]

guidegraph:
^v^v^v

[somber belfry]

everyone that voted on beginner doesnt know who lucas goncalves is

[somber belfry]

untracked phone isnt too bad (these are mine)

[cerulean elm]

Ypu mean like this?

[brisk copper]

gore

[cerulean elm]

Imagine being there in person.

[brisk copper]

😰

[cerulean elm]

Nightmare fuel. Palpitations, and frustration 😭

[brisk copper]

yea :(

[ivory mural]

I assume they meant widefield, nothing but the phone

Still experience wins

[vagrant basin]

Ill try do this cheap diy project when i have the time to

Js need your guys opinions

[marble hearth]

Yes but won't be accurate

[void jolt]

a whole ass car engine? 😭

[cerulean elm]

LS sway your telescope

[vagrant basin]

Nah like the motors for the back wheels

And generic batteries for power supply

Its defo better focuser than shaky hands

[low lance]

No he means motors from a toy car

Not a real car

[brisk copper]

here it is all 9 of u

[swift heart]

Tastes like Limburger

[bronze minnow]

only if you're not lactose intolerant

[autumn nacelle]

I assure you that I´m not

[fallen obsidian]

mind you i was using 600 gain before

[swift heart]

420 (blaze it)

[low lance]

Unity gain

Which is 215 ish

Trust me anything higher than unity gain and you will lose snr rather than increase snr

[fallen obsidian]

what in concerned about is full well tbh

[low lance]

Yeah exactly

215 has higher full well with the least amount of noise

And higher DNR

[ivory mural]

210

[brisk copper]

reawwwyyy???

[low lance]

Maybe he didn't know idk

[brisk copper]

i didnt knwo ._.

[marble hearth]

A surprising many of yall do ts wrong

[cerulean elm]

You post it in the same way you read it💀

[marble hearth]

YEAH YOU SAY BEFORE & AFTER BUT WHY DO PEOPLE STILL POST AFTER & BEFORE AND THEN WRITE AFTER & BEFORE

I can't be the only one bugged abt this 😭 😭

I look at their comparison and think "damn this mfer did not progress at all" and then read the caption 😭

[brisk copper]

IT STILL MAKES SENSE

IF YOU WRITE AFTER AND BEFORE THEN POST AND AFTER THEN BEFORE ITS JUST THE OPPOSITE WAY ROUND AND THEY ARE EVEN ADDING A KEY TO EXPLAIN THAT???????

-# its not like they writing b&a then posting a a&b ._.

[marble hearth]

BUT THAT'S JUST SO STUPID

WHY WOULD I GO OUT OF UR WAY TO MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED

LIKE BE NORMAL

[brisk copper]

THEY ARE MAKING IT LESS COMPLICATED BY ADDING A KEY TO EXPLAIN IT

[marble hearth]

WOULDN'T NEED A KEY IF U FOLLOWED THE "BEFORE & AFTER" TEMPLATE THAT EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH

[marble hearth]

MY POLL AGREES WITH ME

IT'S MORE INTUITIVE

[marble hearth]

Except 3 people clearly

Those monsters

[cedar dome]

It’s like: before and after

[marble hearth]

No it's not cuz

...

[brisk copper]

after and before :3

[marble hearth]

Please see yourself out of this server

[swift heart]

You make people guess

Because that way you can tell if you actually improved

[brisk copper]

[swift heart]

Processing monochrome lunar data is needlessly frustrating

[urban quiver]

who does mono lunar

[swift heart]

Me

I don't have an OSC camera

I just want to be able to register all of my lunar data at once and then stack each channel separately with the common registration

[urban quiver]

L

[urban quiver]

I’m surprised so many think processing nebula is hard

I find it much easier than galaxies, and especially lunar/planetary/comets

[summer turret]

i mean - theres a ton of different nebulas

dark nebulae being hardest as they require more careful processing

[urban quiver]

I find IFN and whatever the hell Iris Nebula is to be the hardest

Iris was the hardest nebula I’ve ever processed. I had to give up lol

[summer turret]

reflection/IFN

i find comets hard bc theres a lot more preprocessing steps for getting it stacked

[devout tinsel]

Capturing Faint Ha nebula with Stock dslr broadband

[cerulean elm]

If you like pain, you go for SII

[urban quiver]

Is that really hard or just annoying

[marble hearth]

It's like trying to read indoors with sunglasses

Stock dslrs have uv/ir cut filters in them which blocks most of the Ha light which is faint enough already

[urban quiver]

I’m aware

but enough integration will solve anything

[marble hearth]

not if its dim enough

itll still appear super dim in your stacks if its barely visible

[zealous cloak]

Its pointless

[marble hearth]

option 4: 🧱

[zealous cloak]

You gotta hold it really really carefully

[bronze minnow]

option 5: elaborate setup involving various household objects that looks like it could fall apart at any time but is actually extremely stable

[ivory mural]

this is what i did except it was not stable

[bronze minnow]

i tried it once and it was surprisingly stable (it collapsed the moment i walked away tho)

[ivory mural]

then it wasn't stable

[bronze minnow]

if it lasted long enough for me to be able to use it then it was stable

it only collapsed once id taken my phone off it and started to head inside

now that i thinkk about it my phone probably was what was keeping it stable

[ivory mural]

if it collapsed it wasn't stable

[bronze minnow]

it collapsed after i took my phone off it

so it was stable while my phone was on it

so it was stable

for a time

[ivory mural]

if it collapsed it wasn't stable

everything is stable for a time

[bronze minnow]

by that logic nothing is stable

because if everything is stable for a time then everything can collapse eventually

[ivory mural]

it lasted for one use

[bronze minnow]

i could build it again

[fallen obsidian]

6 days?

[ivory mural]

all of the above, just depends on what deals they have

[ivory mural]

where mak cass

[cerulean elm]

Where's the Mak?

[cold moon]

Aperture wise probably SCTs but as soon as you consider the price then dobs win

[open aspen]

you don't get them

[glacial bear]

Is there a 24" SCT?

[tribal coral]

isnt that observatory grade?

[glacial bear]

If made properly, yes

But I haven't seen one

24" Dob, I've seen

[tribal coral]

our local observatory uses a 16" SCT

[rain void]

When you go big enough, I'm pretty sure the dob also wins aperture wise, because then there's no need to use a barlow on the dob anyways

Or maybe there is idk, I'm just saying things lol

[glacial bear]

If you're imaging definitely, but for visual you can probably stick with a good eyepiece or 2

[low lance]

Dobs have the cheapest aperture to price ratio

[delicate lance]

yes

though theyre highly impractical for obvious reasons

[brisk copper]

where class cass?

[brisk copper]

one of the obs near me uses a celestro sct :(

that had a fat 24" newt before but they downgraded :(

[autumn nacelle]

mechanical pencil eraser my beloved

[swift heart]

The glorious Ritchey–Chrétien is conspicuously absent, blasphemer

[delicate lance]

1. you lack a lot of scopes
2. you spelt "Schmidt Camera" wrong
3. A dobsonian is a newtonian

[autumn nacelle]

wow

[fallen obsidian]

this means almost nothing when you assume same apeture and optical quality, as those are the 2 main ways to judge planetary preformance

[delicate lance]

poorly phrased, not the same optical quality but assuming that the optics are good

comparing a super-sharp newtonian to a meh SCT isnt fair

though i suppose i could redo the poll rq

[brisk copper]

where is cdk?

[delicate lance]

corrected dall-kirkhams are still dall-kirkhams

(dw browi pookie i made the free option just for you)

[rain void]

Are we talking planetary specifically?

[summer turret]

but yea i wouldnt get an SCT for a heq5

[brisk copper]

sct isnt worth ut

[delicate lance]

planetary and visual

with the occasional long focal length imaging

[summer turret]

oh yea go nuts with it

[swift heart]

SCT isn't the worst...but the glorious Ritchey–Chrétien is superior

[delicate lance]

i found this beauty for 250

[delicate lance]

true

but 400 bucks more expensive

[swift heart]

Wait that's a steal

Unless you want to do UV imaging I'd just take that and potentially a nice reducer

(SCTs can do IR really well if you adjust the backfocus, but they fall apart in the UV)

[delicate lance]

pretty dusty

[ivory mural]

clean it

and still a steal

[marble hearth]

You really are the only one saying this on the server 😭

[brisk copper]

nonono

they have a point

[cerulean elm]

Did you forget about TMAs?

[swift heart]

That's a them problem, not a me problem

[swift heart]

Nah, but man I really do want one at some point

[brisk copper]

who doesnt want one

[cold moon]

I swear on God I'll build one sooner or later

[rain void]

Peak bullshit 🔥 🔥 🔥

[cold moon]

I'm fairly certain the HST is a RCT and the JWST is a TMA

[rain void]

Of course, but fortunately I'm not in space and neither are you (I hope???)

[cold moon]

Unfortunately I am not. Wdym fortunately??

[rain void]

oxygen

Tho maybe that's just a small price to pay for no atmosphere

Also calling jwst a three mirror anastigmat feels wrong

[cold moon]

Oxygen is a poison, everyone I know that inhaled it has died 80 years or so later.

[cerulean elm]

Both JWST and HST have more than 2 or 3 mirrors.

[cold moon]

The main optical train had three mirrors

There's probably a lot more for redirecting the image

[rain void]

Three??

I count 18 minimum

[shy hull]

Those are functionally one mirror though

[rain void]

Sure, still feels wrong tho

Wikipedia also doesn't call it a TMA, but a "Korsch telescope"

oh wait that's just a type of TMA lol

[cerulean elm]

Well... HST is not an RCT, is a Cassegrain reflector

Let's all agree, that it doesn't matter how many mirrors are there. Reflectors are always gonna be superior

[rain void]

*compared to pure fr*cs and/or in space

Catadioptric is pretty dang viable on earth because it allows you to get more aperture

[cerulean elm]

Yah... fr**cs give me the ick

[cold moon]

What Ducky said

[cold moon]

RCTs are cassegrains

Cassegrain just means that the light from the secondary is reflected back at the primary afaik

[cerulean elm]

Well... try to have this conversation in the #1326833769495269376 . I almost got crucified for asking what's the difference between classical cassegrain and RCT

[brisk copper]

not being catadioptric makes a larger appature most viable lol

[brisk copper]

cc is parabolic primary and rct is hyperbolic

[desert obsidian]

RCT isn’t the worst…but the glorious Schmidt-Cassegrain is superior

[cerulean elm]

You on something?

[rain void]

McDonald's vs Burger King ahh discussion

[brisk copper]

high

[desert obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/silencing-the-evil-shut-up-cat-spam-gif-12771978950366181258

[swift heart]

Average coma fan

[desert obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-head-nodding-meme-headbutt-hit-funny-cat-silly-car-gif-4307198055042192017

[swift heart]

How's about a

HELL YEAH

[urban quiver]

idk tho. Sounds like a lot of additional expenses

I’d need an OAG, the focuser prob bad too

[swift heart]

RC supremacy aside – used RCs are going to be a bit of an investment in terms of time and upgrades. (New ones less so)

[urban quiver]

yea so maybe I just wait

Get an RC8

A decent one

But I could Buy this RC6 rn

This one comes with a different focuser,

TS Optics 2-1/2" rack and pinion focuser

I’m not sure if that’d good or not

[swift heart]

Actually this is very good

[urban quiver]

is it?

[swift heart]

My friend at the local astronomy club uses one of these

@ornate glen would have more to say on RC8 vs RC6, but it's still a good proposition in terms of total light gathering (absolute aperture, not f/ratio)

Or drop by #1326833769495269376

[zealous cloak]

rack and pinion is better than crayford

[urban quiver]

Is it possible to put an EAF on it?

@swift heart @zealous cloak

[swift heart]

Yup

[zealous cloak]

i dont see the issue

[urban quiver]

That was my main concern

[zealous cloak]

the RAP is the golden one right?

[swift heart]

RC users often upgrade to this particular focused

[swift heart]

Yes

[ornate glen]

Unless im mistaken, that is a feathertouch

[urban quiver]

Probably

[ornate glen]

That is a bargain and a half

That guy is essentially charging just for the focuser

[zealous cloak]

yeah haha

[ornate glen]

And the asking price is less than the focuser is new

[urban quiver]

uhhhh please stop or else I’m going to be buying it

[ornate glen]

Thats a steal

[urban quiver]

no no isn’t this sus?

[ornate glen]

The RC6 is a good little scope

[ornate glen]

Why would it be?

Guy's had it listed for almost a month and got no bites

[urban quiver]

fair

[swift heart]

Somebody is going to get robbed in this transaction and it's going to be the seller

[ornate glen]

He just wants to offload it at this point.

[urban quiver]

I messaged him

The shipping cost is included too

[ornate glen]

The guy i bought my RC8 from had it listed for a year or something

He just about gave it away to me lol

[urban quiver]

How goods the combo of an RC6 and 533

[swift heart]

People are hesitant to buy RCs because of collimation woes, but it's pretty simple if you just follow the DSI method (and we can help you)

[swift heart]

Excellent

[ornate glen]

Very

[urban quiver]

DSI?

Am I going to need a Collimation device

[swift heart]

There's a PDF about it

[swift heart]

No, I have a whole copypasta about this

[urban quiver]

I watched a video about the “costs of an RC” and it was a guy who spent $600 on a laser

[swift heart]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[zealous cloak]

[urban quiver]

It looked very fancy

[ornate glen]

Sucks for him

It's quite easy to collimate these

I walked @delicate rivet through it over text and he got it dialed in quite fast

[urban quiver]

https://youtu.be/M-oklDEtRvs?si=erfILf-1AFM2LQd5

[ornate glen]

Around an hour or less

[delicate rivet]

Oh yeah for sure was ez

I always stressed and never did it but it lowkey surprised me how easy it is

[urban quiver]

I heard the rc6 sucks tho cause the obstruction

[delicate rivet]

Nah I rock with mine

[swift heart]

The problem is that a laser makes assumptions about the position of the optical axis, and if it's wrong you'll never get the system collimated. A laser can work for getting it roughly in place if it's way off, but so can a Cheshire

[urban quiver]

I’m moving to the rc thread

[ornate glen]

It's definitely a bit of a downer imo but it isnt a deal breaker

[delicate lance]

Nah

Save for RC8

The central obstruction is insane

Not worth it

[tribal coral]

was about to say

[urban quiver]

rc6 is good enough

The obstruction is about 50% on both

[delicate lance]

🗿

[urban quiver]

I’d have a problem with seeing with an rc8 probably. It’ll be a lot more money, and I like the fov I get with an rc6

[delicate lance]

reducer moment

[urban quiver]

More money

So no

[cerulean elm]

Waaait. Isn't the secondary mirror on axis with the sensor? Which means there's a hole in the secondary... and because there's a hole, that means no reflective surface is being obstructed... sooo it's not 50%

[urban quiver]

what

[cerulean elm]

#1326833769495269376 message

[urban quiver]

so what is the obstruction then

I don’t care for your math

no more fancy words

[cerulean elm]

Bruv... that's the transmittance of the telescope. 78% so the obstruction is not 50% is 22%💀

And that's because of the baffles

[urban quiver]

so the obstruction is 22%

that’s good

no?

[cerulean elm]

Yes, you don't measure the amount of light that should go trough, you measure the amount of light that makes it trough.

[urban quiver]

so why are these nerds saying the rc6 sucks

[cerulean elm]

Small aperture

It's slower than the RC8 as well😅

[urban quiver]

I use a f/7 scope rn. I’m used to it

[dreamy cloak]

Id Go for the 8" over the 6" any time tbh

[urban quiver]

I can’t afford it

It’ll be 3x as much

Approximately

[dreamy cloak]

Heard that the Focuser on the 6" is a Push and pull

Its Just a Tube U fix

So itll Slip over time

So U probably would have to Invest in a new Focuser anyway

[urban quiver]

The rc6 I’m looking at has a replacement

A very nice one

[dreamy cloak]

Can u Show?

[zealous cloak]

Its a rack and pinion. Hes set focuser wise.

[dreamy cloak]

Okok

[urban quiver]

here

Apparently the focuser is worth basically the asking price. So seems like a good deal

I can always sell the rc6 and buy an 8 if I feel like it

keep the focuser

[zealous cloak]

Thats what I was gonna say, you can stay with that focuser for, I think, any scope you buy unless its a SCT

[dreamy cloak]

It is

[urban quiver]

I don’t like SCTs lol

[dreamy cloak]

I was looking to get one but theyre been unavailable for so Long xd

[restive fiber]

Keep putting in votes on what is toe best place to buy telescopes and their accessories.

[zealous cloak]

Good

[dreamy cloak]

As a Former sct User,i Like the RC way more

Its been a pain to get collimated at First but its Worth the effort

[urban quiver]

nobody better snatch this from me

[dreamy cloak]

I wont i have my 8"

But this is indeed a steal

[urban quiver]

Is there anything I need to ask about though?

Is it going to be plug and play? (If Collimation is good)

[dreamy cloak]

Pretty much

U need to be aware that the Focuser itself can introduce tilt But i have Not Have any issues with Mine so far

Other than that

[urban quiver]

he included a gso tilt plate thing

[dreamy cloak]

For reference i took this one when i First got my rc
I cant remember If i messed w the collimation at this Point but i think i didnt

[low lance]

I mean it depends if you perfect light weight and no need for counter weight then go for the ragdoll17

[ivory mural]

3 is good imo

fat scope for planets and visual, decent sized scope on a eq mount for small dsos, and a smol frac for big nebular

[obsidian plover]

2 for dso 1 for solar 1 for planetary

[swift heart]

Voted for the last one because it depends on whether you consider a quality finderscope to be a telescope on its own

[swift heart]

idk if I'd call any target overrated but star clusters are massively underrated

[bronze minnow]

if you think about it galaxies are just really big star clusters

[cerulean elm]

M42 and M31 are very overrated. Also the most tortured

[marble hearth]

The often overprocessed orion cores 😭 😭

[delicate lance]

orion cores are more processed than mcdonalds burgers 🥀

[delicate lance]

(sufficient mount in this case is a guided EQ5 with onstep)

[marble hearth]

As someone who has the latter, I am yearning for mono and filters

And more aperture 🤤

If it was mono on frac on ragdoll 17 then maybe the 2nd option

[delicate lance]

callo is justifying the loss of any astrocam for a ragdoll 17 lol

[marble hearth]

Sure, a harmonic mount may look prettier but the results are not as good 😭

DSLRs should stay for beginners or low budgets

[delicate lance]

its about longetivy according to him

[urban quiver]

He can always upgrade later

I’m not saying use the dslr for eternity….

[delicate lance]

this is a great argument for the EQ5 lol

[urban quiver]

It’s cheaper to upgrade cameras than mounts

[marble hearth]

Since a full mono+filter set costs close to what the ragdoll 17 does, you can upgrade either one just as easy

[delicate lance]

920 USD vs 1380 USD (- the sold EQ5 + Onstep, which goes down to an equal or lower price)

[tender hollow]

My exact setup but with a mono camera? Hell yeah

[tender hollow]

Unless it's a mono 585, no

[urban quiver]

That’s my experience

[tender hollow]

full mono includes filters

and EFW

That's not cheap

[urban quiver]

We all have different perspectives

I gave mine. You guys gave yours

That’s all

[brisk copper]

guh

[zealous cloak]

Nuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[delicate lance]

thats what im saying

[cerulean elm]

I'm already rocking the first option

[low lance]

No they are just really big nebulas because star clusters don't contain gas and dust and don't actively form stars nebulas on the other hand always have star clusters within them and actively form stars

[bronze minnow]

pleiades
star cluster
has gas and dust

[low lance]

Yeah but its not part of it its just moving thru it

Also thats only one

And not to mention its an open cluster globular clusters are more like galaxies as they contain a central black hole

[bronze minnow]

so galaxies are just big globular clustets

[low lance]

I said similar i didn't say exact but there is one type of galaxy that is an exact match

Which is elliptical galaxies

[bronze minnow]

i don't care ❤️
galaxies will always be big star clusters in my heart

[low lance]

Nah you gotta be accurate

[brisk copper]

my hand

[cold moon]

[vagrant basin]

The motors too weak if i actually screw thr focuser in it lacks power

Was worth a try maybe ill do it with a bigger remote control car motor

[urban quiver]

What the hell is this

[brisk copper]

i can get mine within a few arcmin just by placing down my scope

i dont have a polarscope either

[open aspen]

Wow. Fair

[vagrant basin]

Toy remote control car i got the motor out then try attatch to focuser

[open aspen]

I always am off by like 4 whole degrees everytime

[brisk copper]

buh

[open aspen]

I've only been Polar Aligning for a week ok.

Just got my mount

[brisk copper]

i still dont have one :3

[open aspen]

Grr

[brisk copper]

im just not for that life yk

[fallen obsidian]

my hand

[fallen obsidian]

oh damn tea said the same exact thing as me lol

[brisk copper]

my hand is cooler tho

[fallen obsidian]

your hand is less presice

[brisk copper]

more*

[fallen obsidian]

you have an eq mount

[brisk copper]

ya

[fallen obsidian]

so you just have to nedge it in one direction

and you are only at like 600mm fl

[brisk copper]

im at just under 700

[fallen obsidian]

are you at f/4?

[brisk copper]

4.5

[fallen obsidian]

wha

[brisk copper]

750 + 0.9x reducer = f4.5

[fallen obsidian]

is the reducer also a coma corrector?

[brisk copper]

yas

[fallen obsidian]

hol up, lemme compare our fovs

[fallen obsidian]

not to diffrent tbh

[brisk copper]

yea lol

[ivory mural]

Mix of 2 and 5

I remember where it is with around a degree of accuracy

then i make it arcsecond accurate with nina pa

[cold moon]

"Not too different" while one is almost 4 times the area of the other 😭

[brisk copper]

@mint talon

[mint talon]

hehe bram empy

[brisk copper]

lobobtermy

[mint talon]

lobomeowty

[dense burrow]

Use a NEMA stepper motor with a gear reduction

Like a belt

[bronze minnow]

lobototea

[woeful ivy]

andromeda galaxy...

[fallen obsidian]

quasar

[woeful ivy]

ima just get a photo of a static from TV

call it cosmic microwave background

[urban quiver]

Elaborate more? like by coincidence? or on purpose?

[summer turret]

yes

[open aspen]

10 Plus billion light years 3 people

[cold moon]

It's very likely I imaged a random quasar and don't even know it

[sudden locust]

z ≈ 6.58

Around 28.3 billion light-years away.

[fallen obsidian]

coincidence

[low lance]

Post this in cursed setups

[low lance]

Why even a remote control car bro get a stepper motor

They aren't that expensive you can grab one from ali for like 10 bucks

Same with like a stepper motor controller and an ardiuno then you can install one step and be able to control your focuser with micron level accuracy

Unless that scope is for visual in which case this is overkill

[brisk copper]

thats me!!

[vagrant basin]

Dk how a stepper motor works but ill see

[fallen obsidian]

this gives me the idea to build my own focuser

[low lance]

You didn't know you could?

Anything is possible with a little bit of elbow grease

[fallen obsidian]

not really, I have a nema 17 and a 100:1 gear box, but that might be to large of a reduction

[low lance]

You dont even need a gear box

You can either do a direct shaft or you can use a belts and gears but with that ideally you shouldn't go more than a 10:1 gear ratio

The larger the gear ratio the more accurate your focuser will be but the slower it will turn and also you only need micron level accuracy which the 10:1 ratio provides perfectly you need a good balance between how fast the focuser spins and how accurate it is

[delicate lance]

sir you got a game to finish

[swift heart]

If you had the capacity/interest I would be happy to share every single one of my datasets

[woeful ivy]

name your game ashens dungeon

[mint talon]

do people who have seen 4 just not exist or what

[obsidian plover]

nope

[mint talon]

damn

[cerulean elm]

0

[obsidian plover]

what lat r u ?

[cerulean elm]

53°N😅

[delicate lance]

none

[low lance]

There were some down to even mexico last year

[cerulean elm]

You need to consider that 90% of the year, is cloudy here

[low lance]

Same but i got a lucky break and managed to get this too bad there was a crap ton of light pollution would've loved to see it in b4

I feel bad for those guys who had fog in that image

Behind that tree in the middle

[marble hearth]

Gotta book night flights over the nordic countries >>

[urban quiver]

yea they’re on my telescope bru where else would they be

[glacial bear]

On my OTAs and eyepieces.

[bronze minnow]

0, even tho im 54N I live in the uk so yea

[fallen obsidian]

no dust caps

[cedar dome]

Only one and it was a banger

[delicate lance]

Why is this poll shaped like the North Korean elections

[plucky vigil]

Because theres only one good answer

wait...

[dreamy forge]

o-o

[devout tinsel]

Why😭

[bronze minnow]

it's right in front of like 3 nebulas

[brisk copper]

not enough!!!

[plucky vigil]

it blocks out literally the coolest shite in the sky

you can diffraction spike from it when its no where near the frame lol

and when its in the frame you best believe that half your frame is covered by it and there are diffraction spikes edge to edge

[tribal coral]

It assassinates you if you dare to try to shoot any of the nebulae behind it with halos or insane flashbangs

[devout tinsel]

Bright star near nebulae is cool

Idk

[urban quiver]

You guys want me to suffer

I don’t even know if il be able to guide properly with the RC6

[marble hearth]

time to find out if u can or not

[urban quiver]

I don’t even know how to collimate the thing 💀

[marble hearth]

Time to learn :))

[cold moon]

Here's why

[marble hearth]

It circled itself in case you haven't spotted it yet

[cold moon]

Nah it's just going supernova

[urban quiver]

Idk pretty pretty if you ask me

Im going to image this star just to make the haters mad

[desert obsidian]

incredible

[marble hearth]

mfer so bright i can read a book in its light

[bronze minnow]

tries to take picture of c 2025 k1
alnitak diffraction spike snipes the comet

[tribal coral]

Altinak is truly evil

[bronze minnow]

I could be looking at the moon and a stray spike just cuts it right in half

somehow

it's just that bright

[bronze minnow]

LMAO

[urban quiver]

They are real spikes

Reflector spikes are caused by the secondary mirror obstruction.

If you do the same and obstruct a refractor, you get REAL spikes

[rain void]

why would you add spikes 😭

[marble hearth]

but refractors dont NEED spikes

adding unecessary spikes to fracs is like idk

feels too fake and glazy

if u want spikes get a refl*ctor 😭

[urban quiver]

Because I CAN

And it makes you guys MAD

[swift heart]

I'm probably gonna deflock my spider to get the spikes I thought I paid for

[marble hearth]

This would make absolutely no sense out of context

[brisk copper]

you are a fraud

[plucky vigil]

Alnitak

[plucky vigil]

[cold moon]

Censor again REFLECTORS and you are done.

[mint talon]

(example of signed image)

[cerulean elm]

Just crop out the name

[quasi cedar]

check otu this clutster i imagined gyus

[mint talon]

welp guess its time to start barking

[void jolt]

slightly immature

[brisk copper]

cant change it now :(

i do find it kinda funny how he acts more immature than the people he says are immature though

[lofty jetty]

if its a good image then its fine, if its dogshit then its silly to sign the image

[marble hearth]

holy hate 🙏

[brisk copper]

we have to wait until he realises everyone is different and his way of expressing himself isnt the only one, give him time

(and everyone else that voted to ban for that matter)

[marble hearth]

"are you boring" ahh poll

[brisk copper]

no aspirations mfs assemble

[zealous cloak]

again, you are not cool or cute with the way you type in here, its just cringe. ashen is right, the thing is you are kids

[brisk copper]

aaand you have proven my point

[zealous cloak]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

[brisk copper]

insomnia :(

[woeful ivy]

wheres option 0

[brisk copper]

also not real

[woeful ivy]

[summer turret]

hangs out in server of kids
doesnt like kids being kids

[zealous cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-tsar-this-bomb-is-km-near-your-house-this-tsar-is-km-near-your-location-tactical-nuke-gif-11684907231419731833

[brisk copper]

darn children childing like how children do

[low lance]

Specifically when their images look like the one you showed like bud aint nobody stealing that

[brisk copper]

its ir orion but continuum subtracted

[low lance]

Yup looks lovely I'm gonna steal it

[brisk copper]

FLIP

dont you dare crop my name out!!!

[low lance]

Whoops my hand slipped

[brisk copper]

im making a 100 page google doc on you stealing my photos to call you out!!!

this image needs a watermark

[low lance]

Nooo dont do it 🥺

[brisk copper]

i think the fact its in infrared and is cyan is a watermark in itself tbh

[low lance]

Is it ir or sum why does it look like a plum

[brisk copper]

its duochrome infrared yea

[low lance]

Damn

[brisk copper]

its part of this full image

i printed off both versions tho

they arriving in 10 days

[ivory mural]

wtf is this

[ivory mural]

some of your stars are lasers

[violet tinsel]

best sticker

[deep mesa]

chat wrap it up

ts gonna get locked soon

[brisk copper]

infrared bread

[brisk copper]

you can blame ashen for that

[ivory mural]

he started it but if you continue its not his fault

[brisk copper]

i didnt plan on lol

[deep mesa]

people meowing in gen chat shouldn’t be defended 💀

[brisk copper]

ashen acts really imature about it

[zealous cloak]

Shits crazy

[deep mesa]

something tells me this is inaccurate

[brisk copper]

he has been whining about it for like 6 months

thats quite childish

[plucky vigil]

Yall acting like this is ur identity or something

[zealous cloak]

Furry love :3

[plucky vigil]

And dogpiling on me for it 💀

[zealous cloak]

Im with you Ashen, you are right. The thing is mods dont care

[plucky vigil]

I am the class clown don’t you know, a true hooligan

[plucky vigil]

Yeah I don’t really think it should be modded as that is veering into 1984 territory but I do think it is weird and they should grow up

[zealous cloak]

Agreed

[brisk copper]

or just drop the subject 🤷‍♀️

[zealous cloak]

[mint talon]

I'll switch to fish noises as a compromise

[split tinsel]

Thomas isn't here anymore. Free expression of opinions is valid

Within reason

[brisk copper]

@split tinsel deleted!!!

[split tinsel]

Rage bait

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[tiny lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-ching-cheng-hanji-chinese-chinese-tom-tom-and-jerry-gif-18775286

[summer turret]

what did they do 🥀

[brisk copper]

@split tinsel always cheating in put party

[split tinsel]

Skill issue on your behalf

[woeful ivy]

i am not a kid despite the fact that i am very immature

[marble hearth]

Not enough watermark

[somber belfry]

look at my new pic

[cold moon]

It's funny because it doesn't really matter if you are a couple of kms away from this thing, the result is the same

[woeful ivy]

frick u

[devout tinsel]

it's my photo

[brisk copper]

bob

[marble hearth]

Guys you're forgetting to overprocess it with weird colours and unrealistic artifacts and overly AI denoise

[split tinsel]

Ok, the jokes been done, we can calm it down now