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images like these make me want to do anything to live in the southern hemisphere
wise cove
msgr tbh
violet silo
MSGR is fine if its your own data imo i personally would feel kinda cheating to use others data for it lol
tame forum
Looks similar to my 3 hours untracked lol
glad pike
What does MSGR mean?
nocturne sphinx
MSGR is fine if its your own data imo i personally would feel kinda cheating to ...
So you wouldn't want to use MARS?
violet silo
So you wouldn't want to use MARS?
Not sure, I want to contribute to it to help, however unsure if/how much I’ll use it personally (I like calling data “my own” so to use someone else’s data to benefit mine is cheating, I’m my head atleast)
violet silo
What does MSGR mean?
MultiScaleGradientRemoval
nocturne sphinx
Not sure, I want to contribute to it to help, however unsure if/how much I’ll us...
If I wanted to id simply say a thanks to whoever lent some msgr data in the final image description.
It's a tool that should be used
violet silo
Again, wouldnt feel like it’s entirely my image
violet silo
It's a tool that should be used
I’ve gone my entire time in Astro without it so far, to say I haven’t experimented with it would be a lie, but it’s not gonna be a thing I’m adding to my workflow commonly
nocturne sphinx
I mean if your image doesn't need then yea, perfectly reasonable.
violet silo
The actual signal from deep space
That’s the signal part of it, I feel most the challenge is ensuring everything goes smoothly, ofcourse for high bortles it’s completely understandable, I would too lol
nocturne sphinx
But once you go mono and you have any type of light pollution, regardless of how perfect your filters and optics are... Your gonna want to use it. I'm gonna start using it as much as I can. It's EXTREMELY annoying dealing with the gradients I get in broadband data.
Rarely do I get simple linear gradients.
A lot of times I'm sacrificing contrast and color to remedy gradients.
Which is holding back my data
Just my thoughts
I will add my camera and filters don't help
Flats for B filter are usually not correcting all the way
Idk if it's the filter or cam
violet silo
Oh man broadband gradients especially when facing the light dome are not easy, to say the data wouldn’t benefit from MSGR would be a lie, however again I avoid use it. I completely agree sometimes gradients is a big problem for data, but at the same time that’s what makes our data ours. I’d rather spend a little bit of time on DBE and get it right than run MSGR (doesn’t help I’m really bad at it) and again to say I might use it in the future, but as of right now I feel I do not need it and a lot of people don’t need it yet use it with others data, which personally I feel is slightly a cheat, unless as you said, credit the data but most don’t
nocturne sphinx
Prolly both
violet silo
Flats for B filter are usually not correcting all the way
That’s strange tbf lol, I’ve never heard that one from the 1600 before
violet silo
Possibly, Antlias are too expensive for me 
nocturne sphinx
Time to search CN classifieds for a month straight
violet silo
Time for chromas 
nocturne sphinx
That's it
Was tryna think of the name
Id have to compare prices, haven't looked at them in a while
violet silo
Depends tbf, im not sure if there would be good deals on those
nocturne sphinx
Dam 525 new for chroma LRGB
violet silo
Entire set?
violet silo
Antlias are actually affordable (for most)
nocturne sphinx
Yea lol
wise cove
MSGR is fine if its your own data imo i personally would feel kinda cheating to ...
well when MARS comes out u will be missing out
if its good proper data its basically just like a collab
ur not like using their process or anything, just raw sky brightness reference
violet silo
well when MARS comes out u will be missing out
Crediting the persons widefield MSGR data is different, then yes it is like a collab. However most do not and again, i do not feel like that its entirely my own data, therefore i will not use it. I wouldnt say im missing out for doing something that involves data that isnt my own, which to me seems like the astro version of "cheating" using others data to my advantage (:
Feel free to use it all you like! not what im getting at lol, im just saying, imo, using someone elses data to effect my own is not entirely mine, and they should have credit, or it shouldnt have been used
Also arent you like B4? why do you need MSGR?
wise cove
Crediting the persons widefield MSGR data is different, then yes it is like a co...
yeah fair enough
wise cove
Also arent you like B4? why do you need MSGR?
im B5, but id use it even in B1
gradients come from everywhere not just LP, and there are always local discrepancies in sky background
even from things like airglow
the concept of MSGR is just so good, that it will give you a true sky background even with complex regions
it just appeals so much more than dbe or grax
violet silo
Ofcourse, gradients come from everywhere, but again using others data to make mine better is not legit to me, not atleast without credit and again then to me it’s not entirely mine. I hear you say a lot of how much MSGR appeals compared to DBE, but I don’t see a difference when done correctly, besides on B7+ data
west lantern
Oh man broadband gradients especially when facing the light dome are not easy, t...
MSGR doesn't make your data any less yours, you are using a widefield reference image to determine what is a gradient and what is not
The data is still yours
violet silo
MSGR doesn't make your data any less yours, you are using a widefield reference ...
Youre altering your gradients by the process of using others data, to me that is using there data to improve your own image, that sounds like using others data to improve your own to me
As i said, its completely understandable from B7+, or with credit to the guy whos widefield data it was, but apart from that, i feel its "cheating" in a way (feels like a collab rather than "my" image)
It all depends on circumstances, if im doing a project with multiple people and they have widefield data, i may aswell utilize it to improve all of our data for the project, but if its just my image, and my personal project, i want it to be mine, not with the help of others data to remove my gradients which couldve been from bad flats, light leaks, and stuff like that
Youve seen my old M31 data, that was crazy, but i never used that MSGR file u gave me tbh. Sure i had some gradient inside the galaxy that DBE cant fix, but thats my fault for not taking the precautions to stop light leaks while imaging
west lantern
Youre altering your gradients by the process of using others data, to me that is...
MSGR can technically be done without a reference image, I've done that for my comet
By manually drawing where the gradient is
And manually drawing a background model by hand
The reference image just allows you to automate that process of drawing a background model
I don't view gradient removal as "cheating"
violet silo
You could draw it, that’d be fine, you use someone’s data? That’s using others data, to benefit your own image without credit. Sure you’re not literally adding it to your own, but you’re stilling using others data to benefit yourself, that is not fair to me, again B7+ or credit to the widefield reference data is fine, but besides that it’s not imo