🔥Hot Takes🔥

[fossil barn]

top one is roki

[peak drum]

hehehe

[misty marsh]

room temp iq

[peak drum]

this is the funniest channel oml

[fossil barn]

LOL

[peak drum]

best channel

[misty marsh]

its giving me a migraine

this is for legit "hot takes"
not misinformation.

[narrow summit]

Nah I'm sorry there's no way
the simple fact that kit lens is f 5 (and yet at f5 you have a ton of coma ca and vignetting) while the roki is 2

[misty marsh]

2 actually

next he'll say the 5 is faster because its a bigger number☠️

[peak drum]

XD

[fossil barn]

It is...

jkjkkjkjkjkjkk

2 is faster

[narrow summit]

6 times faster

Less optical issues

I have a stock lens 16-55mm f 3,5
It's a true nightmare
I cant use it under f6 AND YET there's a lot of vignetting and coma

[fossil barn]

ok but my 18-55 is good ill show you in a few mins when i finish my image

[misty marsh]

18 to 55 doesn't equal 135mm.

if you want widefield get the rokinon 24mm

[narrow summit]

If you want widefield, buy a rokinon

Lol

[fossil barn]

roki is widefield lens

[peak drum]

[misty marsh]

its not ultrawide you bozo

[fossil barn]

i didn't say it was

[misty marsh]

you are comparing it to a 18-55

[candid river]

bruh roki is f2 and prime and a great fl for constellations

[fossil barn]

you'll see...

you'll see

[candid river]

bruh most kit lens have a higher f then 16” dobs

[misty marsh]

16” dobs still get more light tho

[candid river]

yea but im saying since they are so big they have to be f10+

135mm f2 vs 75-300mm f5.6

[peak drum]

most 16" dobs are f/4 or f/4.5

[candid river]

roki for the win

[candid river]

oh didnt know that i swear i saw like a really high f one

[peak drum]

yeah some are

[candid river]

eh i must of been dreaming

[misty marsh]

maybe it was barlowed up

[fossil barn]

your dreaming that the roki is better

[candid river]

but still kit lens are mid

[candid river]

Yea prob

[peak drum]

I used that 16" SCT at tekapo btw @misty marsh

[misty marsh]

oh nice

[peak drum]

did you?

[misty marsh]

nah, i saw that giant vintage frac tho

[peak drum]

oh wait

[peak drum]

yeah thats insane

8k fl 18"

f/17 ish

[narrow summit]

For it's purpose, the roki is way better

It would be pretty stupid of you to deny this

[inner aurora]

What? Do you know how big a f10 16" dob would be? My 16" is F4. 5

[candid river]

eh idk much about dobs i just assume every thing if hih f when its big

[patent vale]

F10 16" would be like 4m long

[fossil barn]

HEHEHE

[floral echo]

has that ever stopped them?

[subtle drift]

No

[fossil barn]

uhh bruh its obvi the roki is better at being f2

||not other stuff||

[chilly bear]

EQ mounts are over priced

Siril is annoying

[random musk]

The James webs telescopes stars are really ugly

[hearty cloud]

Diffraction spikes got you down eh

[random musk]

Nah I love diffraction spikes just the James webs one have that like weird hexagon pattern in them also the spiked are different lengths lol

[narrow summit]

Take that back.

[inner aurora]

Not the spikes but the artefacts that are caused by the primary mirror

[random musk]

I am aware, but they effect the spikes

[peak geyser]

hey

[random musk]

also most of the spikes are from the primary mirror

[fossil barn]

you are the wrong and the need to the grow the up

[hearty cloud]

I agree. I mean it's good that it exists as a free alternative to pixinsight, but it's just so irritating to use

Everyone bitches about Pixinsight but I found that to be vastly easier to use and understand than Siril

[inner aurora]

You just need to put things in the right folder, there isn't really much more much less

[hearty cloud]

The ui is ugly and unintuitive

[chilly bear]

Stacking with siril is like trying to code a video game

[chilly bear]

Processing is ok with it but stacking is poopy

[fossil barn]

processing good stacking nah

[inner aurora]

What do you use Depp sky stacker?

[chilly bear]

Yep and photoshop

[fossil barn]

i only use siri to process

[chilly bear]

I do use siril sometimes for background extraction or something like that though

[fossil barn]

also asinh stretching banding reduction green noise removal and everything else pix is worse

[chilly bear]

Yeah

[hearty cloud]

Wtf

Oh wait this is hot takes

[fossil barn]

LOL

its ok we can fight here

[hearty cloud]

Cause I mean let's be real here...pixinsight does everything...literally everything...better than Siril

[fossil barn]

cc made stars blue/magenta BE is midddddd auto stretch is ok

there are other things i cant think of

noise exterminator and blurx are great but not included with pix

so they dont count

[inner aurora]

Bruh Pixinsight is 250€ 💀

[patent vale]

• Blurx (100€); +NoiseX (80€) =430€ 💀

[inner aurora]

I don't want so say that programming is easy but dammn

[floral echo]

It’s worth every damn penny

[floral echo]

And programming those things is about as far from easy as you can get, it’s super complex algorithms. If you don’t want to pay for it just make it yourself

[inner aurora]

Also if Pixinsight is 1000x time better then Siril, Siril is a infinite times cheaper

[floral echo]

It’s expensive because it’s literally the best in the world, when you consider that it’s not that expensive

[floral echo]

Yeah I can astrophotography with my phone for free, why bother spending money on a new rig

[inner aurora]

There is a big difference between a hardware and software

[floral echo]

Not really? Both pay money to make your images better

But it’s unfair to expect someone who hasn’t used pix to understand why it is 100% worth

[patent vale]

I mean you get the software forever unlike Photoshop and the companies aren't really big but still 💵💵💵

[hearty cloud]

Lets be real, 250€ is a pittance compared to what people typically spend on astrophotography

And I'm not sure how the cost negates the fact that Pixinsight is vastly superior to Siril (or anything else out there tbh)

[lethal vortex]

I think the thing about pix is that there’s a lot of stuff you’re better off spending money on before you’re in a place where pix actually makes your results better

Decent mount, scope, camera, guiding rig, automation, decent laptop THEN pix

[narrow summit]

How dare you
I mean it's not the best, but compared to pix and dss

[narrow summit]

If you use scripts it's not surprising...

[narrow summit]

Except the price

[narrow summit]

The difference between phone image and ok astro gear image is way bigger than the difference between siril and pix

Siril does all the most useful things that pix do, yes pix do it better but still

You spend a little bit of time to understand how it works and see all its features...

[narrow summit]

Vastly? Nah

Better yes but vastly better...

[hearty cloud]

I agree. I've do e that here a few times as a matter of fact. Use the free shit for now, get your gear sorted out

[lethal vortex]

Worst thing about SiriL is the interface, which is just sort of back-to-front. The stuff you need fora basic workflow is tucked away. The complicated options you’ll never touch are right in your face taking up screen space.

But I’ve had much more success and better results with SiriL than DSS, and it’s much, much quicker

[hearty cloud]

And bizarrely enough, despite the horror stories and the "it's so hard!" fear tactics from people.....I found pixinsight to be quite nice to use. Ui wise

The amount of freedom truly let's you set it up however you want

[hearty cloud]

The whole thing with programs like siril and dss is they started to feel like they just "got the job done". Decent at some things, shitty at others. There were always caveats. I was sick of piece mealing my processing workflow, stack in dss, then bring it into photoshop. Or do half your processing in APP, then move it to GIMP.

It's incredibly freeing to just go from beginning to end with pix

With light touchups in lightroom sometimes I guess, but most of the time it's just...done

All in one solutions are very appealing to me, hence the asiair love. I HATED having to use four different programs that aren't made by the same developer, all look completely different, all doing their own things, and getting them to work with each other...just to control my setup. So irritating.

[inner aurora]

Another pointus that you can easy resell your astrogear

[floral echo]

You don’t need to resell pix, you’re not going to upgrade to something better

[narrow summit]

What is siril shitty at exactly?

[inner aurora]

Best Astro YouTubers :

1. Astro biscuit
2. Ed ting
3. Nebula photos/ Astro backyard

[fossil barn]

true and software is one of the most important things imo

[narrow summit]

Really depends on what aspect of astro you talk

[peak drum]

When you stretch turn off the linked option, this won't make the stars blue from cc

[fossil barn]

ohhhhhhh

[peak drum]

Linked stretches suck

[latent grove]

PixInsight and Photoshop goes together as good as a toaster and bread

[cedar maple]

its just so weird looking

something about its shape

its like a fried egg

but its really fun to shoot

It looks much better upside down

(stellarium view)

[misty marsh]

Astro backyard ☠️

[subtle drift]

me replicating blurX:

it sucks

I got the model built

after like 3 months

now I need to learn how to fcking train it

[misty marsh]

good boy, food and a whistle?

[subtle drift]

I will end you

But I’ll take in and out

[fossil barn]

@misty marsh how dumb do you think i am on a scale of 1-10 10 being dumb

[fossil barn]

no big L take

it looks as good as upside down inverted m42

[misty marsh]

If you are being sarcastic you are very good at it. 8/10.
If you genuinely think mono is a waste of time and a kit lens is better than the roki. 0/10 room temp IQ..

[fossil barn]

hmm

losmandy>vixen
vixen>losmandy hmmmmmmmm

[misty marsh]

thats like saying a 10mm socket is better than a 12mm socket for a 12mm bolt.

[fossil barn]

tbh idrk about plates

true tho

[green salmon]

This mostly applies to darker skies, But in visual astronomy, Naked eye is better than telescopes. Idk how hot this take is, but oh well.

[lethal vortex]

I'd say definitely not for the moon and planets but I get what you're saying. On similar lines, binocs are better than telescopes.

Except for the lasting neck damage I've caused myself by using binocs

[misty marsh]

I agree. There is something extremely special about visual.

Even Dso visual is amazing

[peak drum]

When the conditions are right, and you have a low enough bortle, you can even see jupiters moon with just your eye! Way cooler than looking through some cheap $60 refractor from walmart anyday

[hearty cloud]

Jupiters brightness overwhelms any ability to see the moons without binoculars or a telescope sir

[peak drum]

no, really, callisto can get to 1/3 the width of the moon away from jupiter

[peak drum]

search it up

[misty marsh]

I’m not surprised. I could see Jupiter yesterday 2 hours before sunset with my naked eye.

[hearty cloud]

Everything I see is showing some variation of this...

[peak drum]

idk where I found the artical on it the first time I thought abt this, and also I said when the conditions are right, like a bref moment in the atmosphere waving about

also one tiem when I saw the moon, I saw it, then after that checked stellarium and callisto was exactly where I saw it

[fossil barn]

nah dude sg just has weird eyes

[misty marsh]

I wonder what would happen if you used a ND filter on your eyes.

[keen breach]

So basically sunglasses

[keen breach]

probably your astigmatism

[peak drum]

ND 1 million sunglasses

[floral echo]

fact check: i have 20/15 vision which is pretty much as good as it gets, you cannot

with binos absolutely, but not unaided

[fossil barn]

my guess is his location causes the atmosphere to act like a magnifying glass the same reason the moon is bigger during moonrise and moon set

though the moon thing may be an optical illusion

[misty marsh]

Moon is an optical illusion. With that getting bigger at the horizon you are sounding like a flat earther

[fossil barn]

nah im not

i literally said its probably an illusion

[misty marsh]

You must be fun at parties

[fossil barn]

💀

[peak drum]

not rlly a hot take but to other people who dont do this astro biz, we must look like crazy, sleep deprived, money wasting nerds who experience a high level of pareidolia just by looking at the sky

[inner aurora]

My Parents just call everything i do with astro "sternda´l schauen " wich just means watching stars

[peak drum]

🤣 ah I rest my mother's case.. hehe (she thinks what I said to start this lmao)

[inner aurora]

My brother asked my why a Mount is so expensive, and why i don't just diy one

[fossil barn]

Modded dslrs too red

[fervent raven]

Well, you can

You can make one that can handle a 6" quite cheap

[floral echo]

Well yeah you don’t do it for daytime photography

[fossil barn]

No even just the background

[floral echo]

That is very easy to fix with color correction

[fossil barn]

Hmmm then why are most peoples images red

Do they not do cc?

[floral echo]

It’s because they have the nice ha signal

[fossil barn]

Nah tho they do Fs but I’ve seen some that are straight red even the oiii

Must just be processed weird or som

[floral echo]

Then that’s just bad processing

[fossil barn]

Ah ok

[misty marsh]

Yeah that’s just because the cameras old default white balance is out of calibration

[hearty cloud]

@fossil barn hit us with a solid hot take let's do this

[green salmon]

I gots one..

Auriga is an underrated constellation, never hear anyone talking about it, always Orion, Which is great but Auriga is cool too

[native parrot]

Only remember it from when you could use some of the stars in Auriga to find comet neowise a while back.

[keen breach]

whats even there other than an open cluster

theres nothing there

[green salmon]

It has a few cool clusters, and these little star clumps which are cool to look at naked eye

[native parrot]

Saturn is the most boring target for planetary

[keen breach]

That sure is a hot take

[native parrot]

Apart from those storm outbreaks every 15 years or so, nothing happens there

Like once you get past the wow factor of the rings its like whatever

Lots of people will say Venus but the fact that UV and IR bring out hidden features at different altitudes in it's atmosphere makes it more interesting.

[keen breach]

I mean.. you have a point

[keen breach]

The problem is getting past the wow factor

[native parrot]

lol

[hearty cloud]

There's a bunch of cool stuff that can be done with near ir and uv stuff and Saturn though

https://skyandtelescope.org/online-gallery/methane-in-saturn-firing-it-with-style/

[native parrot]

CH4 filters make saturn black but thats about it

[floral echo]

I kinda agree

I mean it’s cool the first few times but since it’s pretty similar at any longitude it gets boring fast

[hearty cloud]

Jupiter is where it's at

[fossil barn]

skyguider pro>star adventurer

[keen breach]

average ohio mount

[cedar maple]

im going to go try this right now

funny spinny counterweight

[fossil barn]

its the best

lmk if it works lol

[paper plover]

powerseekers would be good if celestron actually paid attention to the telescope and not the marketing

[inner aurora]

Did you forget the planet between mercury and earth

[narrow summit]

Actually with the right filter it can reveal some interesting cloud features

But mercury is hard to capture and it's basically an upscaled ganymede/downscaled moon

Saturn has multiple rings, some cloud features (equatorial band, multiple smallest bands, hexagonal storm...)

[inner aurora]

Yes but Saturns rings and division are more interesting

[misty marsh]

they dont change though

mars and jupiter are by far the most interesting

saturn is a one shot object. its boring, but cool to see.

[narrow summit]

Also it depends on your scope

With small mirrors uranus and neptune are absolutely not interesting

[narrow summit]

Then I think neptune is the most boring

On storm barely visible once in while...

[inner aurora]

Yes

[narrow summit]

Also saturn has a very interesting moon system

You can't really resolve them but there's so much compared to the 4 galilean moons...

[misty marsh]

tbf Jupiter has the same deal

[hearty cloud]

A super long term goal kf mine would be to capture an image each year and put that into a gif so you can see how the tilt progresses ovr a decade or so

[cedar maple]

its extremely loud

[native parrot]

mentioned it below

[fossil barn]

great

[fossil barn]

Not astro related but Pepsi>coke

[green salmon]

Agreed

[subtle drift]

lol I don’t even see a difference so sure

[pearl lark]

pepsi is a more sweet subtle taste, less carbonation in it

and coke has a stronger flavor to it, with a little less sweetness

[hearty cloud]

i.e. superior

[fossil barn]

Nah

[pearl lark]

coke is best

[fossil barn]

Mid*

[pearl lark]

opinion invalid

rejected

this is a war crime

[fossil barn]

Your a war crime

[pearl lark]

I am going to make this a bigger deal than it should be

coke is best

[fossil barn]

No

2 against 2

BTWWWW

[pearl lark]

which other 2

no one here likes pepsi more

wait intenz guy

[fossil barn]

Dr pepper> Pepsi>cacacola

[pearl lark]

pepsi just wannabe coke recipe, but since they never got it right the flavor is just over sweetened run down coke

[pearl lark]

dr pepper is good

[fossil barn]

Coke good but Pepsi better

Not watered down

And good carbonation

Coke taste mm Pepsi taste MMMM

[pearl lark]

reason pepsi even exists was to compete with coke

they tried hard to get a coke flavor

nothing beats original

[fossil barn]

They made a better

[green salmon]

bruh

[narrow summit]

Nah the difference is really tiny

And coca is the original

It has an unbeatable advantage

[fossil barn]

No it’s big

[green salmon]

There's not a huge difference, But I prefer Pepsi

[fossil barn]

Same, coke so 1900s

Lol

[green salmon]

The difference is just big enough to have a preference

[narrow summit]

Exactly

[fossil barn]

Yeah

[narrow summit]

(And I prefer coca)

[fossil barn]

Pepsi is the obvious winner

[green salmon]

You can't say that tho

[fossil barn]

Imo

[green salmon]

No, You prefer pepsi, Not Pepsi is the winner

[narrow summit]

Nah this is subjective

[green salmon]

^

Someone who prefers coke, will say Coke is the winner, but that's because of their opinion, there is no winner, its just preferences, and personal opinions

[fossil barn]

Pepsi>cacacola

[green salmon]

ok bud

[subtle drift]

this channel needs to die

[fossil barn]

Why it’s for this reason

The arguments do not leave this channel

[keen breach]

Coke and pepsi taste identical

I have had them both

Unless you mean coke as in the other kind of coke

Then its a big difference

Also RC-Cola is identical to coke and pepsi

They are all like astro rebrands

so many things are identical with a different logo

coke and pepsi are the same

this is like the colors of skittles

all skittles, no matter the color, have the same flavor

but because of the colors it makes you think they taste different

this is the same thing

[green salmon]

I mean yeah, that does taste very different to pepsi (I don't know what it taste like, but i just know it doesn't. (i've never done it (i would never do it)))

But Pepsi and coke do have a slight difference in taste imo

[fossil barn]

nah dude its a big difference wym?!

[green salmon]

it's really not

[fossil barn]

it is

[green salmon]

it's not even taste that much, Coke is just more carbonated and fizzy than pepsi

the taste isnt huge

[fossil barn]

capp

[green salmon]

ok

[fossil barn]

i just had one

[green salmon]

okay?

[fossil barn]

i know what it tastes like

and carbonation

[green salmon]

i know what coke and pepsi taste like too

Coke is more carbonated and gassy than Pepsi, The taste isn't hugely different, maybe pepsi is slightly sweeter. And thats it

[fervent raven]

coke is only superior if its nigerian

i.e real cane sugar coke

[pearl lark]

its not

i have both in my fridge

they taste different

my step dad gets pepsi, me and my mom get coke

[latent grove]

Hot take: Sprite > Coke and Pepsi

[keen breach]

fact

coke and pepsi really dont taste good

i mean

i can tolerate it

but its not that good

[latent grove]

Mexican coke wasn't that bad actually

Otherwise it isn't my choice

[cedar maple]

Lemon tea>anything

[fossil barn]

Nah cuz lemon tea not > astro

[cedar maple]

bruh

you

lol

[latent grove]

Honey tea is better than lemon

[misty marsh]

Honey and lemon tea

[latent grove]

add ginger and it is a decent tea

[pearl lark]

sprite is the drink you get when your 12 and your parents dont want you drinking caffeine at dinner

there are better drinks in my opinion

[fossil barn]

Sprite taste like ginger ale

Which is the drink you get when your sick and your stomach is in pain

[pearl lark]

ginger ale is better

than sprite

but yeah sprite is a bit similar

[fossil barn]

Fact

[keen breach]

I hate that this is right

But it's still good

[narrow summit]

Yes.

[latent grove]

I always think about how much caramel dye is in Coke when drinking it

Ruins the drink for me

[pearl lark]

its just food coloring

[fervent raven]

No it doesn't, ginger ale is way better

[fossil barn]

True

[cedar maple]

kerbal space program kinda cring

[lethal vortex]

Outer Wilds is where it’s at

[narrow summit]

How-

What's cring exactly?

[pearl lark]

some people dont like the style of the characters and stuff

I think the knowledge it can give is good, but I do think the game looks a little child-ish

but thats also because the humor is outdated due to the age of the game

[hearty cloud]

Any No Man's Sky fans or what

[peak drum]

That looks sick, how tf do you guys not like that

[pearl lark]

we like the game, we just dont like the visuals

[peak drum]

Ksp2 is gonna look good, but ig I can understand the characters, but it would be worse if it was humans instead

It is a quite abstract design style

[fossil barn]

Cylinder heads

Hehe

[cedar maple]

its big cring

[peak drum]

How????

Yeah the characters are weird but that's it

[cedar maple]

its like watching cartoons

watching them as a kid it's fun and entertaining

watch it when you're older and its pure cring

[peak drum]

Other than the characters it's a cool game bruh, one of the best orbital mechanics of any game

[pearl lark]

no one is arguing that

its a good game

we just dont like the character design

nothing wrong with that

just what we like

[hearty cloud]

I guess there isn't any No Man's Sky fans here huh

[peak drum]

I do like the game but I suck at it

[pearl lark]

I like the idea

but it takes commitment

and I am casual

if I want a infinitely generated space game ill just play space engine

that way I dont gonna learn the survival stuff

[keen breach]

i love ksp

i dont care that the kerbals are kerbals

[pearl lark]

space engine is lit

each dot in that galaxy is able to be visit

the outer dots around the galaxy with a different tint to the stars, are other galaxies close to it

[hearty cloud]

Buddy I love that friggin game

[pearl lark]

there is billions of em, just cant see em since I dont wanna kill my pc

[pearl lark]

I own it

I only got like 2.5 hours though

[keen breach]

ive heard of no mans sky. sadly i dont have it

[hearty cloud]

I want to get psvr2 and just live there

[pearl lark]

I have a quest 2

and pc can run vr

might try it idk

[hearty cloud]

Tbe sense of scale in that game is incredible. I still get a little twang of excitement entering the atmosphere of a planet like "oooo what's down here"

[pearl lark]

only thing i dont like ab it is how long it takes to go to places

like u gotta grind a bunch then eventually you will get a beefy ass space ship

but like for a lot of the beginning of the game, its just crap

[hearty cloud]

I can totally see people feeling that but I just got right into the atmosphere of the game. Every small advancement was exciting. Spending hours on your starting planet, then finally escaping orbit. Making it to another planet to get resources. Finally leaving the solar system etc

[keen breach]

ksp is very fun

[pearl lark]

I'd prob only play no mans sky in vr

because of how vast it would look

[keen breach]

making rockets, launching and flying them to places

[pearl lark]

I suck at ksp

[keen breach]

landing on the mun, doing some science

[pearl lark]

cant even get to the moon

[keen breach]

I learned it very fast

[pearl lark]

funny how fast I learn software and crap "besides pix"

but I cant learn a space game

[keen breach]

Tbf it is a lot to take in

[pearl lark]

how much minecoins do I gotta pay u to teach me pix

[keen breach]

I don't like minecoins

[pearl lark]

robux

[keen breach]

I don't play roblox anymore

[pearl lark]

uh shitty csgo skins

[keen breach]

I don't play csgo anymore

[pearl lark]

friendship

[keen breach]

I'm an introvert

[pearl lark]

then why am I added on

discord*

[keen breach]

what are you talking about

[pearl lark]

bitch unfriended me

[pearl lark]

why have u been talking to me in dms for months

[keen breach]

i mean we exchange words every now and then

[pearl lark]

we've sent over a thousand messages to each other

now if excuse me I gotta go play gta 5 all night

[narrow summit]

That's part of the kerbal experience

And if you add the rss ro mod pack, besides the kerbal it's not childish at all

[pure spear]

??

Proper processing usually involves splitting up your channels anyway for Osc

This sounds like a major skill issue

[native parrot]

Me and my homies love ksp

[inner aurora]

I did like it for some time, but it did get boring very fast

[inner aurora]

I think somebody is mad because he didn't get anything above the ground

[cedar maple]

ok

[green salmon]

Pelican Nebula doesn't look anything like a Pelican

[cedar maple]

its supposed to be the gular pouch

the dangly skin below the pelicans beak

i think thats why its named pelican nebula

[green salmon]

i dont see it lol

[cedar maple]

I guess

cursed drawing

sorry lol

[green salmon]

that's where the "pelican" is supposed to be?

I thought it might have something to do with this

looks like a rats head or smth

[viral sorrel]

Maybe this? 😄

[narrow summit]

Cute

[peak drum]

this game can be beautiful, no one can tell me otherwise

[subtle drift]

now crash into the planet and start a war

[peak drum]

My first take on that mission and I accidentally timewarped too far and was facing the opposite way for the heat shield so the majority blew up, 2nd take and the rover didn't fall from the fairing bcs a part was clipped into it, had to just leave the rover there without control

Should have remembered to put a reaction wheel on it

They were separate missions to keep it realistic, NASA don't got quicksaves

[fossil barn]

they dont?!

lol

[brazen wedge]

People should stop recommending dobsonian telescopes to people who have budget lower than 200$. They will just buy a firstscope and be disappointed.

[narrow summit]

People don't recommend anything under 200$,except binoculars

The lowest budget recommendations I've seen on this server is the 5inch heritage dob

And it's a nice scope

[native parrot]

People should come to the realization that astro is expensive

[brazen wedge]

Yes but people new to this hobby dont know that

[brazen wedge]

Every time i see someone asking if (insert not very good but quite a cheep telescope) is ok the answer 99% of the time is : get a dobsonian. with no additional info

[misty marsh]

i for one always say "heritage 130p, used 6", ideally used 8""

[narrow summit]

Yep, it's what I see most of thz time

[narrow summit]

Yes but not everyone has the money

And a 250€ 5 inch dob is already nice

Add a 50€ Barlow and you can have great views of planets

[narrow summit]

And when I recommend a low budget scope I always say the biggest dobsonian possible with the minimum of 5inch heritage

Also I take the time to explain what is possible to see in this scope

[lethal vortex]

Honestly, the sub-£100 picks that Rory recommends are perfectly fine for most people. Also binoculars.

Not everyone has £250 to spend on a hobby they're not even sure they like. IMO the best thing is to let people try something that isn't totally crap which they can get as cheaply as possible.

[narrow summit]

The best solution is surely to go to an astro club

Some people have very low exceptions and will be very happy with a 100€ scope while others may even be disappointed by the 5 inch one...

[keen breach]

astro clubs usually have a scope you can borrow

my local one has an 8" dobsonian you can borrow it for 2 weeks

oh yeah, some libraries (in the USA) have telescope loaner programs where you can rent a starblast for free

starblast is the smallest dob to recommend

[lethal vortex]

Astro clubs are pretty intimidating though

[keen breach]

they can be

[floral echo]

Here’s my hot take: long fl is better than short fl

[floral echo]

Within reason of course

But like in general I think it’s nicer to get a nice shot where the target takes up the entire frame, vs a zoomed out field where you can see more, but with less detail

Also galaxies are way better with high fl

[misty marsh]

depends entirely on the target

longer FL is also much harder to use

[narrow summit]

And you have a lot more targets accessible with higher fl

[misty marsh]

You have a lot more targets accessible with a lower FL too. It’s all down what target you are shooting

[inner aurora]

Wouldn't say that there a lot big Nebulas, but way more relativ small galaxies

[misty marsh]

True yeah. But there’s a lot of big things too.

[narrow summit]

I never said the opposite but the number of galaxies, small nebulas, planetary nebulas... possible to image at high fl is way bigger than with short fl

But they are not necessarily the most interesting ones...

[misty marsh]

yup exactly. different targets = different scope

[narrow summit]

To "close" the debate, I'll say that there are many interesting targets for pretty much all fl but it's easier to find an original one, that haven't been imaged a lot, at higher fl

[shell hatch]

who poinged

[keen breach]

With high focal lengths you can do nice takes on large targets

Like, the elephant trunk

Low focal length you can get all the nebulosity

Or, you zoom in on the elephants trunk

[hearty cloud]

Though with a high focal length you always have the option of mosaics to achieve what you can with a short focal length

And it would be far superior too

Much more detail and higher resolution

[bleak shell]

Coke make my tounge ow

[fossil barn]

Bro your allergic stop drinking it

[bleak shell]

I am weak, pitiful. I am a blight on society

[bleak shell]

No im not allergic just to aggresive flavour

[fossil barn]

Then get ice and wait an hour or get sparkling water and put little coke in

[sudden shore]

b*tch WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!

[cedar maple]

we already summed it up

its a great game and you can learn a lot but the characters look very cring

[subtle drift]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-didnt-laugh-red-bird-gif-24436072

[keen breach]

they are cool

the only childish characters are the people calling the characters too childish

[pearl lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-dont-care-crying-cry-chips-gif-21606846

[peak drum]

the game would loose its main price point if it had humans instead, its a good game because its "kerbal" it wouldnt be kerbal without the characters

[fossil barn]

My rms error is way better than yours :PPPP

[inner aurora]

Why are you nerd? Not because your opinions i guess

We should get Kirby Space Programm instead of Kerbal space Programm 2

[fossil barn]

Cause I know stuff about astrophotography??

[inner aurora]

Besser ist es

[peak drum]

oh this thread keeps getting better 🤣

[arctic rose]

I guess this is the channel for hot takes 🤣

Only joking

[inner aurora]

And he us confused why i am asking

[fossil barn]

Nice pfp image btw

[fossil barn]

😏😏😏😏facts obvi

[cedar maple]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-22316782

[sly gull]

oh no

[sly gull]

only thing I partially agree with is OSC is better than mono for my frac because of horrible horizons and alt az allowing me to get like 4 mins per target but mono better literally everywhere else(including my other rig)

[arctic rose]

Tbh I agree with that too but just because I don't have time to mess around with filters and then put it together afterwards

It's pretty dependant

[keen breach]

@fossil barn this you?

[fossil barn]

LOL

[green salmon]

This may be a weird one, But pictures of the comet with background star trailing looks sooo much cooler than images with normal stars.

[pearl lark]

@keen breach this man is right

[keen breach]

they dont look good with trails

they take the attention away from the comet

[pearl lark]

then don't focus on them

[keen breach]

to me they also give the feeling that the comet is also blurred and trailed

[keen breach]

even if its not

placebo

stars are trailed, so the comet also feels trailed

[misty marsh]

you are trailed

[green salmon]

Should never assume that someone is NOT trailed.

[keen breach]

@floral echo this hot take forum is genius

[fossil barn]

😏😏

LOL

[narrow summit]

Narrowband images of m1 doesn't look great imo

[fossil barn]

Wym? Lrgbsho?

Wait no

Yeah not that cool

[narrow summit]

Narrowband

So sho

Or any kind of narrowband filter

[keen breach]

milky way is underrated

[subtle drift]

real

[keen breach]

at most people put 30 seconds into it and call it a day

when theres so much more to be seen

[wide trellis]

You spelt overrated wrong

[fossil barn]

No

There so many neb in the mw

Dslr>dedicated

[narrow summit]

Wtf would you even think that

Like

Except the fact that dslr have "true colors", how can they be better than dedicated astro cam's?

[hearty cloud]

He's not the only one in here to think this

[lilac steeple]

More accessible and more use?

I can understand it

[misty marsh]

I have a brain tumour from this channel

[floral echo]

I cannot think of a single way that’s true

The only reasonable argument is that you can use a dslr without a computer to control it

[misty marsh]

except cost, but uranus C is the same price as lots of DSLRs and is better

[floral echo]

But saying that something is cheaper isn’t a good argument for saying it’s better

[misty marsh]

exactly

astrocam value is better

[floral echo]

Also lots of dedicated cameras are cheaper than dslrs

[misty marsh]

yup

[floral echo]

I feel like ease of use is also invalid

[misty marsh]

astrocam drivers are far better

[floral echo]

If it said “dslr is better than dedicated for a complete beginner” maybe, but if you’re judging the objective quality then ease of use is irrelevant

[misty marsh]

i mean

[floral echo]

Add it to the list

That image should be the thumbnail for this thread

[misty marsh]

lmao

[fossil barn]

Yes

[floral echo]

Guys hot take it’s actually better to be under mounted, if you’re over mounted you’re just wasting money

[manic elbow]

If you mean have a mount that's not good enough, I have so many things I could say but am not going to

[manic elbow]

I could not agree more man

Watermelon...

Look, I get you're looking at what is generally accepted to be true and then saying the opposite of it but

There is 0 way you're being unironic

[keen breach]

I would almost agree

[manic elbow]

But genuinely, it's really important that we not do things like that and essentially when it comes to new apers which there are a lot of here

[misty marsh]

wind:

[manic elbow]

Fr.

Please

[keen breach]

but

in the long run

[manic elbow]

Buy a mount that can support your stuff

[keen breach]

you should be over mounted

[manic elbow]

Buy an heq5 and put a roki on it

[keen breach]

as long as its not absurdly overmounted

if you buy a eq8r and put a redcat on it 🖕

[manic elbow]

Don't Buy an heq5 and put an 8 inch newt

This debate is the reason I left this server for a while.

[misty marsh]

eq6r and roki is overkill. heq5 and roki is well matched for zero headaches. but over is better unless the rig becomes hard to move and setup

[manic elbow]

He's not here, but Mr sketchpad does some amazing stuff with the roki and sirius mount

[misty marsh]

eg eq6r will 100% give no issues with a roki. even with really strong wind. but the mount is too heavy to be practical. Although it is good to overmount for future proofing.

[manic elbow]

Yeah agreed

But please don't tell people to undermount for God's sake

[misty marsh]

im planning a similar rig, but will also plan to use a 8" newt with it.

[misty marsh]

honestly lmfao

[manic elbow]

Yeah eq6r works for an 8 inch

But heq5, not rly

[misty marsh]

it will work but youll have some headaches

if theres much wind it will be hard

[manic elbow]

Yes it will "work," but not well and any wind dosent work

[misty marsh]

i agree the eq6r is much better suited though

[manic elbow]

I'd never recommend that

[misty marsh]

yup

HEQ5 is a 130-150mm scope mount

[manic elbow]

100% agree, heq5+6 inch is awesome

[misty marsh]

i have pretty strong wind at my place. Im hoping the eq6r can take the load.

I was also looking at the UMi 17 mount. will wait for some reviews though

[manic elbow]

Not sure how well harmonic will work at that fl tbh

Not sure though

[misty marsh]

its supposed to be under 0.5" with a 102apo

[manic elbow]

Eq6r will do the job I'd think

Oh dang

[misty marsh]

yup but the price puts me off. If i can get similar performance for $1k aud off ill go for it

[manic elbow]

Yeahh...

[misty marsh]

$1250 USD for 20kg payload

[manic elbow]

I'd definitely wait until someone tries it first

[misty marsh]

yup

[manic elbow]

W a big newt like that I mean

[misty marsh]

ive seen a few have bought it but they havent arrived yet.

[manic elbow]

Harmonic is just hard to predict considering how new it is

Yeah

Should be seeing results soon

[misty marsh]

They should send Cuiv one

[manic elbow]

U on the server?

[misty marsh]

yeah on the meow server

[manic elbow]

Well I need to sleep. Anyways, everyone please take a hard look at your gear recommendations, they have a bigger impact than you think. I think this server definitely has a lot of great resources but can genuinely be infuriating with the amount of bad recs and misleading advice.

[hearty cloud]

My man. Spittin the real

[hearty cloud]

What in the fvck. Why haha. The thing looks like a cheap Chinese alibaba knockoff of the am5 and it still costs $1600usd. Why wouldn't you just drop the extra $400 and get an am5 and do it right

It's so bad

[misty marsh]

its $1250 usd

and its designed and mfgd by a guy you can contact easily

[misty marsh]

you dont buy it on ali

you buy it on taobao or directly from him

[hearty cloud]

So alibaba is tacking on hundreds of dollars for no reason

Scumbags!

[misty marsh]

still waiting for reviews though. 20kg payload and 0.4" guiding with a 120apo is good though

[hearty cloud]

Sound like am5 specs haha

I wonder how he's getting it to be so cheap...

[misty marsh]

it is but half price

[misty marsh]

not as huge of a profit, made by himself. chinese CNC shops.

[hearty cloud]

Exactly. What is being cheaped out

[misty marsh]

the ZWO tax and red paint

[hearty cloud]

It's the rising cam situation all over again

[misty marsh]

would you buy a altair camera?

[hearty cloud]

Rising cam with their sub par sensors that zwo and qhy passed on haha

[misty marsh]

risingcam

2600

[hearty cloud]

Yeah yeah, you can post all the diagrams and bar graphs all you'd like. It doesn't change the fact that risng cam gets their cameras so cheap because of

A) sub par build quality
B) lower end sensors that the other superior companies pass up on because they don't pass quality specifications. You know how cpu's and gpu's get binned? Categorized based on performance and quality? The same thing happens with sensors.

I know its easy to reply with a sort of childish remark like "zwo tax" and "red paint" but that isn't the real world man

$1000 off doesn't come from no where

[misty marsh]

oh man, graphs is actual data.
the BOM of a camera is about that of risingcam + profit.

risingcam just makes less of a profit

[hearty cloud]

Graphs are actual data chosen by the manufacturer yes. This still does not mean they are cheap and subpar compared to manufacturers like qhy or zwo.

[hearty cloud]

This company is as profit driven as ang other man come on. These aren't the scrappy good guys ln your side passing on savings to you.

[misty marsh]

these graphs are sharpcap analysis ones from cloudy nights

[hearty cloud]

They don't give a shit about you or anything else besides profits

And how do they try to undercut the big dogs? By cutting corners. It happens in every industry

The same thing no doubt is true about that am5 knockoff

And it's fine, I don't care if anyone buys this stuff, just don't walk around acting as if it's superior to anything. It's a low cost, subpar product that still costs a huge amount of money. But hey, you save hundreds of dollars? Whether or not that risk is worth it is up to the end user I guess right

[misty marsh]

The risingcam is also lower noise. by a fairly large amount.

[hearty cloud]

Know what secondary player in the industry I really like? Player One. That company is doing things right, and it makes sense when you consider it was started by a senior ZWO engineer who left the company

Player One delivers top quality stuff, but they put their little spin on things to make them stand out from the pack. Stuff like that 585 cooler. As junky as that thing looks I gotta respect the hustle.

THAT'S how you battle the big guys, making a quality product that stands out. Not by producing the literal epitome of a "Chinese knockoff"

They don't sacrifice quality

[misty marsh]

would you buy a altair camera? they seem like a nice option.

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/739387-risingcam-imx571-camera/

41 pages of discussion.

[hearty cloud]

I've only ever seen one altair in person tbh, but it looked like quality stuff. They're a smaller UK based company, and they certainly don't act or push products that are cheaply manufactured alibaba fodder!

I'm not sure I'd buy one when zwo and qhy exist tbh but I'd put those far above rising cam that's for sure

[misty marsh]

lmao

altair is rebranded touptek
so is risingcam

touptek is the main camera manufacturer in china

risingcam is the official and best way to get a touptek camera

[hearty cloud]

Like I said I only seen one and it certainly didn't look like the rising cam cheapness?

Touptek is low grade any which way you cut it so I guess they are shit?

[misty marsh]

different factory colour. They are identical grade though.

[misty marsh]

touptek makes altair. altair sells and rebrands touptek cameras

[hearty cloud]

Welp, I stand corrected. Altair is low grade nonsense like rising cam I guess haha. I'll stick to my zwo thanks

[misty marsh]

lmao

[hearty cloud]

Quality4lyf

[misty marsh]

or maybe touptek is good.

[hearty cloud]

Zwo, the world leader for a reason baby

Qhy too

They didn't get there by being shitty

[misty marsh]

once again

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/739387-risingcam-imx571-camera/

[hearty cloud]

People buy zwo for a reason. Zwo is leading the astro camera industry for a reason. 🤷‍♂️

[misty marsh]

international sales are more common + been around longer i guess. risingcam is like 2 years old though.

[hearty cloud]

The asiair sells like gangbusters. The am5 sells like gangbusters. Asi cameras sell like gangbusters. It's only an odd vocal minority that spends their time hating on these products while the vast majority of astrophotographers are out there enjoying their products. The proof is in the pudding broseph

[misty marsh]

i dont hate ZWO stuff, but if i can get the same product significantly cheaper ill go for it.

[hearty cloud]

I'm willing to bet, for example, the VAST majority of people who hate on the asiair.........have never even used one before they're just part of this bizarre hive mind mentality

[latent grove]

Surprised this debate is still going on

Thought it died days ago

[hearty cloud]

Tbh I hope you get one of those umi 17's and all shit talking aside I hope it works out well for you cause I'm super interested in jow it performs. I heard about it what seems like.months ago but haven't found any impressions really

I keep waiting for someone to make a youtube video on it

[misty marsh]

yeah its only been around like 3 months. lots have ordered it and ill wait for their thoughts.

[hearty cloud]

I love that they've found a way to say fvck you zwo and have it work with the asiair. That kills me

[misty marsh]

for 50% of the AM5 price

[hearty cloud]

On that note, and related to the Player One comment before about it being started by a zwo engineer, I love that you can flash player one cameras so they work with he asiair too haha

That dude has a serious grudge

[misty marsh]

lol i wonder why

anyway

[hearty cloud]

I love it

The scrappy underdog

[misty marsh]

if you would buy altair you should also buy risingcam. Unless you have better warranty or something from altair. If you are still against risingcam its just you hating the brand.

same camera different paint

also cant ignore risingcam having lower read noise

[hearty cloud]

I mean let's be real, do I really look like the kind of guy thats going to be an altair

That was THEORETICAL SIR

[misty marsh]

☠️

caught in 4k, risingcam fan

[misty marsh]

[hearty cloud]

Did you get any daytime Jupiter shots with the uranus-c yet or what

That one you posted way back was dope

[misty marsh]

i have a few yeah

but not as interesting

at 1200mm

vs the phone shot

[hearty cloud]

Definitely much higher quality but yeah I get what you mean by not as interesting, no transit

I always used this site for planning out imaging sessions for when the red spot was visible

https://skyandtelescope.org/observing/interactive-sky-watching-tools/transit-times-of-jupiters-great-red-spot/

[misty marsh]

cool

If i plan to do planetary ill just check stellarium

good to have the future written out more

[hearty cloud]

What's the seeing conditionsnlike where you are? It's typically hell here

In ten nights of imaging one or two lf thoe nights had worthy data

Very frustrating

Cause everytime I'd get back home with half a terabyte of data or whatever just to find out its garbage and think ffs I could've just imaged a dso all night

[vernal flame]

It's really just the fact that asiair has severe limitations, and not just in the ecosystem lockdown departments. It's probably the best system for portability, but id take literally anything else if I have a remote rig somewhere, or a permanent observatory

[misty marsh]

pretty bad yeah.

[vernal flame]

Limitations in the fact that the connectivity is limited to mobile, or hacky BlueStacks or whatever on your PC, no remote support (you'll need to figure out a separate VPN on the network and try to connect via that) and I'm not sure, someone please correct me: comet guiding or access the the phd2 backend. And I'm not even getting into any software to assist you with collimation, ipolar/pole master etc

[narrow summit]

The reason is that it's been on the market for a while, but it's not necessarily better
For example a lot of people were doubtful about player one at its beginning but at the end the uranus c is better than the asi 585...

[misty marsh]

my rig runs a laptop with NINA. the large screen of the laptop is enough for me. It is very easy to spot star patterns on the screen when manually aligning targets. i guess tablets exist but its still not ideal.

portability is still very good with a mini pc and nina, although i do agree its a little harder.

[vernal flame]

My system is fully headless, I remote in with rdp and have no issues lol. I think one thing that really upped my portability is a PPB micro, but that's basically the cost of an asiair

[hearty cloud]

And yet....they sell a shitload and people love it? I've said it before for the vast majority of people the "featureless" qnd "lacking" asiair does every single thing they need it to. Most people use what, 25% of what nina or phd2 can do?

[vernal flame]

As I said, it's the best portability system, and is very easy to use yes

[hearty cloud]

For the hardcore digging in the nitty gritty nina is king yeah

[vernal flame]

But when you have a permanent or semi-permanent setup, it's extremely lacking

[misty marsh]

not really, nina has features there if you need them. EG switch to a target when its X height above the trees in your south west corner of your backyard.

compared to calcluating it with times

[subtle drift]

FYI QHY is preferred for remote obs. and scientific purposes

its the same price as its ZWO counter parts but it has more advanced features

[hearty cloud]

I've already come to grips that when I get my observatory built (I have no plans in the foreseeable future for this but it will happen.. someday) that the asiair is donezo haha

[subtle drift]

ZWO is just a brand name

like gucci.... its dumb

there are much better stuff

than ZWO

[misty marsh]

r/ap refers to the asiair as the asshair. they do nina all the way. They are a lot more pro level than the guys here too.

[subtle drift]

FYI I own a ZWO ASIAIR and a ASI 183MC pro

so im not biased

my friend owns a QHY

[vernal flame]

It's the same thing as pixinsight or Photoshop for processing. One is extremely popular and has many people backing it, and the other has a deep learning curve, but will you admit that pure PI will process an image better than PS? Yes

[hearty cloud]

The idea of not having to setup and teardown everytime is my ultimate dream goal

[subtle drift]

and I can easily see it out specing its zwo counter part, it was cheaper as well. The sensor quality is better and the cooling is more robust

[misty marsh]

mini pc ez

[vernal flame]

Get a bigger case?

[subtle drift]

remote obs. And like I said, QHY is preferred

[vernal flame]

I literally just put my scope in a box and my mount head into another box and go home lol

[hearty cloud]

Brother, the moment I can bring this observatory plan to fruition you'll be the guy I @ for minipc and nina help

[subtle drift]

lmfao they call it what

the asshair

not plural

its THE

SINGULAR

ONE

[vernal flame]

Lol I kinda want an ASIAIR mini for my sgp setup 😅

[misty marsh]

did i engrish

[vernal flame]

A mini PC would be overkill for it

[subtle drift]

I have one for the SGP, its a great pair

[fossil barn]

???

[hearty cloud]

I have a backpack with assorted things (thank God I don't have to lug around counterweights anymore), scope in its padded case, mount in its case, tripod. I literally can't condense anything anymore than that, but that isn't even the issue.

I'm saying I want a proper concrete pier, an observatory that rotates, the whole nine. I want to polar align like twice a year. I want to not deal with setting up and plugging in cords every night out.

[vernal flame]

But also, to add onto the portability: with a mini PC, you just need a good system to setup, then it will be very smooth. It will be more complex most likely, yeah, but it will be rewarding

[vernal flame]

Lol that's fair! I don't even have a balcony, so I have to travel an hour out anywhere

[hearty cloud]

Ugh

[subtle drift]

put on roof

[vernal flame]

The ones that's covered in 2 inches of ice rn?

[subtle drift]

free cooling

[narrow summit]

Spotted

[vernal flame]

Cooling is fine, we had enough cooling last few days lol

It's warmer rn than in the morning for example

It's finally no longer in the negatives!

Only 7 F!

Not -3

[subtle drift]

I've genuinely considered putting my rig on the roof and nailing it down

[latent grove]

Ice storm tonight for me

Seems like a great time to set up my rig

[vernal flame]

Prolly the same storm from Cali that just hit us lol

[subtle drift]

nah its still here

https://tenor.com/view/dace-gif-25608746

[hearty cloud]

I do have a second floor deck that you can apparently land a helicopter on its so sturdy, I've never had an issue imaging all night on it, but the view of the sky is quite narrow. Anything south of like 105° longitude is a no go due to trees and roofs. And even what I can see to the east is blocked by MY roof. The west side has tall trees.

I make due as best as I can cause why wouldn't I, but it's not ideal. Anything else and I'm driving out somewhere

[vernal flame]

I'd still take that over the lack of anything though lol

[hearty cloud]

A few months ago I went to look at a house and right outside, maybe four feet from the deck floor, was the flat roof for the garage

I was scheming ways to set something up on there semi permanently haha

[fossil barn]

No im going to sleep

[misty marsh]

oh no watermelon is typing, quick leave the chat

[hearty cloud]

That's my cue to stay what are you on about. That dude is a legend

[misty marsh]

legend hehe, so was Julius Ceaser

[sudden shore]

mmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMM

[manic elbow]

Let's try not to be rude lmao-

[manic elbow]

You seem to just be looking at the conventional wisdom and saying the opposite of it

Like, a kit lens is not better then a roki

Objectively

[misty marsh]

i hope he is trolling

[manic elbow]

Me too, I don't see how he isn't

But again

Let's be nice and hear him out if he's not

And try to help him learn

[misty marsh]

he argued once the roki was bad value because it lacks focal length

yes

[manic elbow]

Focal length is down to skill level, gear, and personal preference

It has nothing to do with value. And there is no good or bad fl.

[narrow summit]

You can argue that a plane is better than a rocket to go to the moon because its refuelable
Same kind of logic

[manic elbow]

The roki is great value

[misty marsh]

having tried some cheaper lenses its in another league

[narrow summit]

@fossil barn some of the things you say are controversial but not completely wrong, and it's fun to debate. But a few things you say are unarguably false (like kit lens better than roki or dslr is better than dedicated cam) and it's stupid to keep denying the evidence... It would be better for all of us if you just said reasonable (at least a little) things

[manic elbow]

Same. The ca on most lenses is just terrible

And f2...

[hearty cloud]

My favourite part about all this is how some of you guys csnt even see that he's just trolling for fun

Keep on keepin on @fossil barn

[fossil barn]

I wouldn’t say trolling… If I explain why it won’t be as fun heh

[inner aurora]

@fossil barn
As many people recognized your have very standard opinions....
So what is you wise opinion here:
Frac or Newt

[fossil barn]

depends

[arctic rose]

That's the right answer

[inner aurora]

Best Allround and best value

[fossil barn]

prolly a newt but still depends

[arctic rose]

Well newts are the best for visual

[fossil barn]

heh no

[misty marsh]

Ono

[inner aurora]

Congratulations your (i guess) first normal opinion

[arctic rose]

I meant out of newts Vs refractors

[inner aurora]

Ignore my message before

[fossil barn]

if you want visual than yeah a newt but saying a newt is only good for visual is wrong

[inner aurora]

Newts are the best telescope type.
Period

[fossil barn]

😏😏😏😏

[arctic rose]

Thats not what I meant, newts are the best from the two...

[fossil barn]

UNO!

[fossil barn]

yeah

[arctic rose]

And refractors/lenses are best for travel

[fossil barn]

sure

[inner aurora]

If you want a short Focal length

Because Fracs are dammn Heavy

[manic elbow]

There is no best scope

There is only the best scope for specific jobs

Fracs are better than newts in a lot of ways

Newts are better than fracs in a lot of ways

[latent grove]

Refractors with the same aperture collect more light and also have higher quality images generally, with the cons of scaling the aperture equals to much, much more weight and that larger aperture refractors get expensive fast

[inner aurora]

Not really in a lot only for short Focal lengths under ≈700

[hearty cloud]

Welp, looks like we have our new wacky hot take opinion guy

[inner aurora]

As I often said Fracs are perfect, for a smaller thing Newts.
And my Statement is that Newts are best, not the best at short Focal length, but all in all.

[fossil barn]

WELCOME C:

[inner aurora]

I can now understand the things your going through 😓

[fossil barn]

😂

[fossil barn]

Nina>apt

[manic elbow]

Based

[fossil barn]

Why

[manic elbow]

Bc Nina good

[fossil barn]

Yes

nina>apt

[sudden shore]

i like how a simple forum post I made months ago into an absolute hell of people insulting each other for what program to use to control whatever they think is best, these arent just warm takes these are fried-spicy-tamale type takes (and thats sayin somethin)

[fossil barn]

best forum ever thank you

[manic elbow]

Unironically the most toxic place on the server

Such innocent beginnings...

[bleak shell]

any control software<slewing like a maniac trying to find anything intresting

something that is automated takes all the fun out

I am not saying that because I have poor stellar navigation skills and lack a goto system

I would never do that

[floral echo]

ok c/2022 e3 (ztf) is overrated

like its cool and all but as far as comets go its pretty mid

[manic elbow]

Ehhh...

The things super active

And a really interesting shape compared to most

This is just for ap, for visual it's very meh

[misty marsh]

leonard was far better

[manic elbow]

...because it was in the southern hemisphere

[misty marsh]

was it? i thought it was in both

[manic elbow]

Wait no

[misty marsh]

anyway idk how many comets the NH gets

[manic elbow]

I'm thinking of the wrong comet

That one was just super bright right?

[misty marsh]

yup

i think i could see it naked eye in B3

[manic elbow]

Jesus-

[misty marsh]

it was amazing visual

[manic elbow]

I'm sure

[misty marsh]

with my shit early AP days editing. I should redo it

[native parrot]

Leonard was cool but I still can't get over how good neowise was

seeing it through binos left a lasting impression on me

[misty marsh]

i wasnt in to astro then

[native parrot]

I kinda was but I had no rig so I just held my phone up to my binos and took this 😂

This is a screenshot of a video, so you could imagine how bright it was

[misty marsh]

here it is. did a reedit

[subtle drift]

cursed

[misty marsh]

kit lens momen

[hearty cloud]

We're you guys able to see neowise? That was super impressive, naked eye in bortle 5

Averted vision BUT IT STILL COUNTS

[misty marsh]

i think so yeah, but i wasnt in to astro lol

this one was naked eye for me

heres a single 2s sub. F5.6

[subtle drift]

2s????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[misty marsh]

bright boy

[hearty cloud]

Far more interesting than this wack 2022 whatever its called

[fossil barn]

we no toxic (besides lmc call me dumb)

[misty marsh]

[fossil barn]

its not that dim b4 i could c it

just very very very slightly

[misty marsh]

i could see it more than very very very slightyl

[fossil barn]

it was about a week ago plus towards a city

[misty marsh]

huh

lit was like over a year ago

[fossil barn]

oh neowise

[misty marsh]

leonard

[fossil barn]

oh ok

[fossil barn]

have you gotten any time/clearskies to image the green comet?

[misty marsh]

hasnt got above my horizon yet

ive got the other comet though

forgot its name

[fossil barn]

ohhhhh i forgot your in south hemi

[fossil barn]

oh? new one?

[misty marsh]

C/2017 K2

Indis pic from a while back

actually like 5 days

[fossil barn]

wow what lens

[misty marsh]

135

[fossil barn]

big comet

[misty marsh]

currently mag.6

ZTF is mag 5.4

i should image it actuually lol

[keen breach]

WatermelonPet's hot takes are right

[inner aurora]

This statement is already a hot take

[fossil barn]

the most accurate hot takes (totally)

[fallow roost]

Globular clusters all look the same and are overrated

[misty marsh]

some stand out but yes

[narrow summit]

They are really beautiful imo but they are globally similar. The colors can be pretty different though, and some have little "surprises" in them (like the pn in m15)

[misty marsh]

M46 my beloved

[narrow summit]

But they are not overrated, most people find them boring

[inner aurora]

Because of theft their more like underrated

[manic elbow]

Globular clusters are super interesting scientifically

Also super fun visually

As someone who cares a lot about both of those aspects, they've definitely grown on me

Also hubble images of them are...

[hearty cloud]

Scientifically they're utterly fascinating