🔥Hot Takes🔥

[manic elbow]

Now Fahrenheit

What is Fahrenheit based around?

Idfk

[fossil barn]

life

C:

[manic elbow]

Either nothing at all or something really stupid

It genuinely just feels like someone just picked random numbers

Like Jesus Christ

Let me ask you a question

Metric or imperial?

[fossil barn]

you ask an american that expecting what exactly?

[manic elbow]

Um

The objective right answer?

I'm American lmao

[fossil barn]

imperial.

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.

Do you understand metric?

[fossil barn]

sure partly

[floral echo]

Fr, have you seen what Fahrenheit is based on

[manic elbow]

Do you understand

What makes it

[fossil barn]

yeah

[manic elbow]

OBJECTIVELY

Better than imperial?

[fossil barn]

hold on someone messaging me

[manic elbow]

The freezing temperature of brine???

Tf???

[fossil barn]

brine?

wdym saltwater

[manic elbow]

0 Fahrenheit

Is the temperature where

A specific type of brine

That some physicist 300 years ago

Liked for some reason

[fossil barn]

a very good reason hehe

[manic elbow]

.

Anyways back to metric

[fossil barn]

lame

[manic elbow]

Have you ever heard of base 10?

I'm fairly certain you're trolling at this point

[fossil barn]

lol no i dont use metric but i can understand some things like

[strong sequoia]

we also base the kilogram on the mass of 1000ml of water at 20 celcius at 101kPa or something

[fossil barn]

grams n temps stuff like that

[manic elbow]

Base 10 is the system on which our entire numbering system is based off of

Metric is also based off of base 10

Bc yk

That makes sense

Imperial is based on base whatever tf some old dude felt like

I'm sorry if I seem rude but I feel very strongly about this topic,

[fossil barn]

exactly

[manic elbow]

Yet another reason why America is kinda stupid

[fossil barn]

i think literally everyone into science a little bit or not in the us is

[fossil barn]

lol

[manic elbow]

Sounds about right

Which says a lot

Fun fact

Nasa once lost a mars orbiter bc of imperial

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proof

[manic elbow]

U want proof?

[fossil barn]

sure i wanna see

[manic elbow]

Literally just look up "Mars climate orbiter"

There were 2 teams

One did calculations in metric

The other in imperial

[fossil barn]

ok

look

[manic elbow]

Units weren't converted/translated

[strong sequoia]

http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/#:~:text=(CNN) -- NASA lost a,a review finding released Thursday.

[manic elbow]

Orbiter fell too close

Burned up

[strong sequoia]

I think also the Gimli Glider, ground crew filled the aircraft up in lbs not litres and so they ran out of fuel mid air

[fossil barn]

if nasa was smart they would have had them learn metric only and or imperial but no that would take too long obviously

[manic elbow]

Nasa is smart

We just need to eliminate imperial entirely

[fossil barn]

enough to fail

[manic elbow]

...

[fossil barn]

you can try but you wont succeed

[manic elbow]

I have enormous respect for nasa

[fossil barn]

most astro nerds do

[manic elbow]

Yes lately they've been plagued by government mandates and funding issues and blah blah blah

But they genuinely are trying to advance humanity as a species

[floral echo]

Space Force has more funding than NASA now lol

[manic elbow]

That's so sad

Like unbelievably

[fossil barn]

exactly why i dont respect them they are owned by the government

[manic elbow]

Public programs are awesome man

Yeah they have their issues

But when they work they really work

Case and point Apollo

[fossil barn]

oh no we cant go to space and litter up every other planet aaaaa

[manic elbow]

Huh?

[fossil barn]

💀

[manic elbow]

To me, I feel like space needs to be the domain of humanity as a whole

[floral echo]

He’s trolling

[fossil barn]

too many failed missions imo

[fossil barn]

no im not

[manic elbow]

I say it's sad, because the government is prioritizing national needs over the future and security of humanity

[strong sequoia]

should see the uk,

https://i.redd.it/btzch99o9q561.png

[floral echo]

That’s so dumb lol, they failed because they were the first ones to do it

[manic elbow]

You're always going to have failures

[fossil barn]

atm

[floral echo]

SpaceX and all the others would have failed just as hard if someone hadn’t learned the hard lessons and done it before them

[manic elbow]

It literally is rocket science

[fossil barn]

ya

[fossil barn]

yep

[manic elbow]

Spacex makes more efficient rockets

I don't think anyone's arguing that

And yes, mars colonization imo is something we need to strive for

But starlink especially is kinda eh for leo

[floral echo]

Starlink is an awful idea

[manic elbow]

Spaxex and the others have failed

Bro it is

Idec if it works

[floral echo]

Yes I’m saying it would be much worse

[manic elbow]

It ruins astronomy and is actually dangerous for leo

[fossil barn]

if its as bad as people say by time we get to mars earth will be gone

[manic elbow]

Wut

[fossil barn]

bro they are gonna be in every shot ughhhghghgh

[floral echo]

Uhh I don’t know who told you that but we definitely do not have the power or the desire to just remove earth

[manic elbow]

Planets don't care about people lmao

[fossil barn]

"gone" as in unlivable but the word "if" is important "as people say" news always way overexaggerated

going to mars being important? i wouldn't say so but doesn't mean we shouldn't

[manic elbow]

The earth is too small man

This might be my own funky physiology, but I feel like just bc we exist in the universe we have an obligation to explore it

Philosophy*

[fossil barn]

yeah

btw

what is the space force exactly?

[manic elbow]

Space but military

[fossil barn]

so what starwars irl

hehehe

failed missions but secret?

idk but sounds kinda cool

[manic elbow]

More like spy sats

[fossil barn]

Lame

[misty marsh]

America is metric. The general population converts to imperial for whatever reason.

[fossil barn]

Happy New Years eve

[fossil barn]

Cause it’s better

[misty marsh]

Base 10 mate. It makes perfect sense

1 gram of water is 1 cubic cm. It takes one joule of energy to raise its temperature one degree.

[hearty cloud]

#neverforget

[fossil barn]

Ok why do you care what people and what country use it’s not your business

[misty marsh]

Because it affects people who like metric. Which is the entire world. I have to convert everything to metric.

Nasa lost equipment because of that

[fossil barn]

I can see why day month year makes more sense

[fossil barn]

Their own mistake

[misty marsh]

There’s been heaps of accidents where imperial is at fault

[fossil barn]

Well they should have used metric if it’s so good

[misty marsh]

1m = 100cm = 1000mm. Everything else revolves around it

[misty marsh]

Yes, and America is metric but the population doesn’t want to convert

[fossil barn]

Your opinion

[misty marsh]

Us is actually metric, little known fact.

The official units of measure are metric. But they are converted.

[fossil barn]

Show me

[misty marsh]

Imperial weights are so dumb. Ounces, pounds, tons. It’s dumb.

[fossil barn]

Not really

[misty marsh]

https://www.sciencealert.com/watch-the-us-has-been-using-the-metric-system-all-along/amp

[misty marsh]

If I want to add weights I can do it instantly in my head. I don’t even have to think about it.

Same with distance

[fossil barn]

Good for you

[misty marsh]

You’re delusional

[floral echo]

I love your insults

[misty marsh]

https://youtu.be/zkuYuRn6Vls

Watch this.

[fossil barn]

Says the member of a community where you spend thousands just to take a image including me

[misty marsh]

At least I can calculate backfocus easily without using inches. At least the astronomy community in America is smart enough to use metric.

Or filter thread sizes

[fossil barn]

Yeah

[misty marsh]

Or adapter thread sizes

[fossil barn]

I don’t got a reducer/flattener

[floral echo]

I’m guessing those are overrated like guiding?

[fossil barn]

No very nice

Dither is also very nice

Pluto is a planet

[steel basin]

🤡

says the american probably

[fossil barn]

Ok

[steel basin]

indeed pluto is a 🪴

[fossil barn]

Yea

[subtle drift]

lmao this guy

if this guy did any research or did a science lab at school, he would instantly convert to metric

[keen breach]

As an American

Metric

Is better than imperial

[subtle drift]

as an american

I agree

[fossil barn]

lol

[fossil barn]

same

[misty marsh]

You agree with what you disagree with

[fossil barn]

I never disagreed with metric being better I disagreed with c>f

I don’t think

[inner aurora]

@Mods there is a ban needed

[floral echo]

Celsius is metric, Fahrenheit is imperial

[hearty steppe]

Space is dumb.

Not astronomy related but here’s a hot take: Patchouli smells like crap and if you wear it as a cologne everybody hates you.

[fossil barn]

Why

[inner aurora]

Celsius is defined by The freezing and booling point of water

[strong sequoia]

Fahrenheit has no advantages to Celcius. The weather forcast debate doesn't work because its what you used growing up.

[fossil barn]

💀

[wide trellis]

Hubble palette looks like vomit

[subtle drift]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027241274174078988/1051679864182280322/caption.gif

[fossil barn]

Mono aka money

[misty marsh]

mono aka 4x the signal

[peak drum]

Omg this life long argument

[shell hatch]

yes but Software bisque looks better

[shell hatch]

mono aka unnecessary hard work

tbh its actually not bad but

OSC is easier

[fossil barn]

All of those ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

[fossil barn]

Pixel math is pain

[fossil barn]

Yep

[peak drum]

Bro the only pixel math I use when processing mono is to add the star back it

In

[shell hatch]

but idc

[peak drum]

And all it is is just image+star_mask, that's it

[shell hatch]

i tek esy path cuz im too lezy

[fossil barn]

Weird way to spell pain and suffering

[peak drum]

Not hard

[shell hatch]

wy

[peak drum]

How??? It's seriously not hard

[shell hatch]

you need more time for that

[misty marsh]

worth it 100x

[peak drum]

Defo

[shell hatch]

well yes but actually no

[misty marsh]

channel combination takes 30 seconds

[shell hatch]

id say mono is pain

[peak drum]

Ikr

Less than somwtumes

[fossil barn]

I’ll give you this data I got and you can only do it with siril

[misty marsh]

more work sure, but it really pays off

[shell hatch]

why not spend less time and spend the extra time on another target or visual observations?

[fossil barn]

You wanna try this data I got? It’s hard for me with only Siri l

[peak drum]

But I already own pix, and if you get mono getting pix isn't too much more

[misty marsh]

sure ig

[peak drum]

And pix just makes everything so much easier

[fossil barn]

Oh yeah 260 isn’t too much MONEY WHEN YOU JUST SPENT 2k

[shell hatch]

wait a minute

[peak drum]

It isn't tho

[shell hatch]

monofilters-

[fossil barn]

Yea but you still gotta buy it

[misty marsh]

its the same price as two years of ps

[shell hatch]

they have godly prices

[peak drum]

Exactly

[fossil barn]

I would rather use r g and b filters all at the same time

[shell hatch]

so osc plus point

[fossil barn]

I don’t got ps either

[shell hatch]

osc minus however and mono plus is

mono is immune to lp to some extent

but you can use lp filters with osc

[peak drum]

With OSC, the usual matrix is RGGB for the pixels, if you discard the green or at least minimize it, you are loosing 50% of the color information that you could be gaining eith monochrome

[misty marsh]

you also get 4x the signal because no bayer

[peak drum]

Yeah

[fossil barn]

Or just have infinite Time and clear sky’s like me and get 4x signal

And not go broke

[peak drum]

But another separate hot take is that OSC narroband images look bad lol

[misty marsh]

it doesnt work that way

[fossil barn]

I know

[shell hatch]

WHY-

[peak drum]

Well if you can garentee that you have 1h clear skies, or just switch filters every sub, then it's fine, just divide the hour into 15m segments, more signal for same timd

[peak drum]

Because real SHO looks way better

[fossil barn]

I’ll stick to Rgb filters all at once

[shell hatch]

wait what

[fossil barn]

Ew no

[shell hatch]

osc better

[misty marsh]

what about luminance lmfao

[shell hatch]

SHO looks weird sometimes

[fossil barn]

No need

[peak drum]

If it's possible it make a sensor with RGLB then I would pick OSC over mono prob, unless I get my heart stolen by SHO

[misty marsh]

there is no argument here. mono is farrrr better if you pay for it. Its also only like 2x the price of osc.

[shell hatch]

only

[fossil barn]

Only

[misty marsh]

wtf how dont you need luminance. its one of the most important filters.

[shell hatch]

bro what will poor people who wanna do ap do

[fossil barn]

Did you not read my message correctly all Rgb filters at one time

[shell hatch]

also with dark skies and b0.7 and clear skies like osc you can get more data

with mono its much more expensive

[misty marsh]

yeah. $3500 aud for aps-c mono vs $2000 aud for aps-c osc

[peak drum]

So not even 2x

[shell hatch]

1000$ for osc tho smol sensor

[misty marsh]

why not shoot them one at a time and get way more signal

[fossil barn]

That’s alot when you can’t afford a 100$ tripod

[misty marsh]

yeah which is why i said aps-c

[shell hatch]

but you can compensate with wide field scope so cheaper

[misty marsh]

maybe get money and equipment before giving "advice"

[peak drum]

This is a tense argument, dam

[misty marsh]

lmao

[fossil barn]

Saying I would rather shoot Rgb all at once meaning I would rather get no data at all

If you combine all filters you are cutting out all light

[peak drum]

If you switch filters each sub, which takes basically no time at all, then you get way more signal in the same time period

[misty marsh]

huh. shoot 15 mins of rg and b if you have a short night lol. get more signal that the same time in osc.

also narrowband

true SHO with the proper amount of signal. not 50% green

[peak drum]

Yeah

That

[fossil barn]

Or process it like you mean it and see no difference

[misty marsh]

normal OSC bayer destroys the OSC better argument

[shell hatch]

say what

remove bayer

expose bare RGB pixels

[fossil barn]

Remove sensor?

[shell hatch]

done

[misty marsh]

bare mono pixels you mean

[fossil barn]

Yeah

[shell hatch]

noooooooooooooooo rgb

like

only the pixels

[fossil barn]

Removing Bauer makes it mono

[peak drum]

Without bayer, it's a mono camera

[fossil barn]

Yeah

[shell hatch]

or do RGBB or RRGB?

[shell hatch]

how tho

[peak drum]

Then other problems

[shell hatch]

or bin

[misty marsh]

because all cameras are mono.

[shell hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[fossil barn]

Why is mono so expensive if they are using less? Is buyer -1500$?

[peak drum]

Filters...

[fossil barn]

Besides filters

[shell hatch]

greediness of companies

[fossil barn]

Prolly

[peak drum]

And a little that too, but not much

[shell hatch]

bayerless cams actually are supposed to be cheap cuz no need to align the bayer. but they cant profit as less people buy mono. so chuck a ridiculous price on it.

[fossil barn]

lmc? Sg? What’s the reason behind that? If you know

[misty marsh]

demand is less, so they cost more to produce.

[fossil barn]

Ah I see

[strong sequoia]

Hmm, buy osc and then go to a company to remove the Bayer?

[fossil barn]

You can’t or people would do it

[strong sequoia]

Ahh, oh well

[misty marsh]

Ofc you can lmfao

It’s just very risky

[fossil barn]

Oh ok I never heard of doing it tbh it prolly makes up for the cost of an actual mono camera

[hearty cloud]

Uh...don't forget the cost of filters

Not arguing against what you're all saying here, how could I wtf, but mono is significantly more expensive than osc once you factor in filters, filter wheel and the added cost of the camera

[misty marsh]

this was what i priced up with basic filters and wheel

[hearty cloud]

But how the hell anyone could argue that it isn't better I dunno

[hearty cloud]

Listen I'm gonna be that asshole but, if you're going mono and not dropping serious dough on filters you're doing it wrong broseph

[misty marsh]

very true yeah

[hearty cloud]

The way I see it, if you've gone that far there's no turning back. Get yourself absweet 2600mm and buy some low grade zwo lrgb filters haha

🤮

All I know is melon dog head up there is an extraordinary troll. Their skills are legendary, and everyday I'm excited to open the thread and see what spicy takes have been dropped

[floral echo]

Mono aka every good image of a dim nebula from high light pollution

[manic elbow]

Osc=less work

Mono=better results

Why is this even up for debate-

[narrow summit]

[manic elbow]

They both have their pros and cons. Pick which one is best for you, but understand that mono will pretty much always give better results.

[strong sequoia]

https://youtu.be/xZ-RMu42-aQ?t=735

All I remember is this video, Mono didn't get much OIII (Watch full video tho, this is just one moment in it)

[floral echo]

Everything you said is correct. Also congrats on nerd

[manic elbow]

Thank you~

[subtle drift]

Lmao Fr

[inner aurora]

Strange big Nebulas > star clusters > planetary Nebulas > Galaxies

Bruh I mean all the arrows the other way

[floral echo]

Galaxies > nebula > star clusters > planetary nebula

[keen breach]

can you do SHOLRGB

i really hate SHO colors but im thinking rgb can fix them

[misty marsh]

Put clusters at the end. They get old quickly

[fossil barn]

Agreed

[peak drum]

Yes you can shoot that

I have a hot take, color calibration in pixinsight is for processing noobs

Lmao

[keen breach]

Photometric color calibration*

PCC isnt bad but its not good either

If you cant platesolve an image and you dont know how to color calibrate manually you're screwed

Sometimes PCC can give bad results too

I think SPCC is better

[peak drum]

For me it's just normal color calibration (not PCC) just makes it weird and all green, I do SCNR then it's too blue, it just ruins the image

[keen breach]

Thats the problem you dont know how to do normal color calibration

doesnt mean its for 'noobs'

I finally switched off of PCC and my images improved a lot, and i no longer had to rely and pray that PCC worked for every image I did

[peak drum]

I didnt mean at all PCC, I just ment the process that is named " color calibration " it just never works as good as doing it manually

[keen breach]

Yeah i know

its better than PCC if used right

[peak drum]

oki

[inner aurora]

(things like m16 m42 Horsehead excluded ) the most Nebulas (especially wiedfield) are boring

[manic elbow]

Clusters are pretty boring

Aside from things like m45 with a lot of nebulosity

Imo dark nebs are the best. Things from the barnard catalog. This is especially true when they have a ton of dust/ha around them

I'd say clusters<planetary nebs<galaxies=emission nebs<dark nebs/dust/ifn

[misty marsh]

planetary nebs are cooler than galaxies imo, but too small and you need HST to get a proper image. same with galaxies

[manic elbow]

Thats fair

[misty marsh]

you can resolve something sure but they are going to be small

[manic elbow]

Planetary nebulae are super hit or miss

[manic elbow]

But personally I've always loved images where there's a lot going on in the entire image, and you never really get that with planetary nebs

Eskimo is great lol-

[misty marsh]

cats eye

[misty marsh]

unless you have the FL for them lmfao

[manic elbow]

Yeah lmao

But let's be honest

You need a lot of fl

Like multiple thousand

[misty marsh]

like these are amazing

[manic elbow]

Hst?

[misty marsh]

looks like it yeah

[manic elbow]

Helix you could get away with not quite as much

Maybe that one big faint Abel as well

[misty marsh]

helix is boring tbf, unless you pull heaps of time

[manic elbow]

It's boring, but way easier then most

Same with ring

Also crab isn't a planetary smh

Might as well be size wise tho-

[manic elbow]

As a whole I still prefer galaxies though

[misty marsh]

even with my future setup, 1200mm + 585 mega crop they are still tiny.

[misty marsh]

yeah

way easier to get an image of

[manic elbow]

Yeah

And just as much variety

Im so excited to try cigar and barnards this summer-

[misty marsh]

if you had HST, i think both are pretty equal tbf.

[manic elbow]

That's fair yeah

Though deep fields exist-

[inner aurora]

Open clusters, but globular clusters are amazing

[manic elbow]

Get old quickly

[hearty cloud]

• see that there are new hot take posts
• excited
• open the channel and see that absolutely none are from @fossil barn
• close discord in disgust

[fossil barn]

LOL I was scared I was gonna get banned

[fossil barn]

Snek> astrophotography

Prove me wrong

[manic elbow]

Snek?

[fossil barn]

yes

snek

[manic elbow]

What is snek

[fossil barn]

omg

[manic elbow]

Like snake?

[fossil barn]

yeah snek

you cant prove me wrong

[manic elbow]

Ok then

[fossil barn]

sneks are great neck massage

and

ice pack

they will eliminate your rat/mice infestation too

[inner aurora]

Most Astronomy stuff is way overpriced for what you get...

[fossil barn]

i wouldnt say that

[inner aurora]

Just a scratch at the top of the iceberg

[fossil barn]

all bad examples imo

[inner aurora]

Worst excuse i have ever heard

[fossil barn]

well what brand are those?

right

there is none

also

what website is that?

[inner aurora]

This things are on every website

[fossil barn]

btw cell phone astro isnt real astro

[inner aurora]

Then you need to define what real ASTRO is

[fossil barn]

not with a cell phone

[inner aurora]

@fossil barn it this okay when good optics/Mechanics/electronics have a high price but often things are just expensive because people buy it

[manic elbow]

Thats a stupid take lmao

Astro is astro

[fossil barn]

ok lemme explain a little more what i ment

[inner aurora]

I did use my phone when i started and did some nice things with it

You can do Milkyway where you can see M31 with just a 30s phone Pic

[fossil barn]

ik we all start somewhere most of us with phones including me But what i meant is serious astro like raw

[fossil barn]

dude i know

[manic elbow]

10s w phone

[inner aurora]

Bruh you said ASTRO not advanced Astrophotography

[manic elbow]

If u take pics of stars, that's astro.

[fossil barn]

if run, your an athlete

[manic elbow]

Sure

I don't see an issue with that logic

[fossil barn]

me either

[fossil barn]

back to equiptment being 9053458963156137951367453465786314615864529675296$

[inner aurora]

Lost your point?

[manic elbow]

Astro equip is generally overpriced

[inner aurora]

Yes

[fossil barn]

no

[manic elbow]

Now there are reasons behind that

[inner aurora]

Like Apple

[manic elbow]

Like, it makes sense for it to be that price

[inner aurora]

Phone Astronomie = Astronomy

[manic elbow]

But yeah

[fossil barn]

true

[fossil barn]

astronmie

i say alot of astro equipment is pretty fair priced

BESIDES STUPID MONOCHROM CAMERAS

[manic elbow]

It has to do with ✨️supply and demand

[fossil barn]

AND THEIR STUPID FILTERS

[fossil barn]

i know

[manic elbow]

Ok the filters make sense

Filters are kinda ridiculous when u think about ir

[fossil barn]

a good set of filters cost more than me whole setup

[manic elbow]

And mono is just lack of hardware bc no other niche rly uses mono

[fossil barn]

yeah

[manic elbow]

Think about the engineering needed to only let waves within a few nanometers through

[fossil barn]

coated glass

not much more than that

the coating im sure is pretty pricy but not as much as they make it seem

[inner aurora]

I am pretty sure that ed class isn't that expensive to produce

[manic elbow]

It's not about production costs

It's about r and d

[inner aurora]

I know

[fossil barn]

its more about the type of glass too

[manic elbow]

And supply and demand

[fossil barn]

like alot of triplets are CRYSTAL

[inner aurora]

Low production rate but (relativ) many people want it

[fossil barn]

yeah

[manic elbow]

Relatively few people want them

And it's very very niche

[fossil barn]

in the business world yes not many people want them

[inner aurora]

That's why i said relativ

[fossil barn]

mhm

[manic elbow]

I get filters and mono cams

Mounts seem a tad bit overpriced

Color cams too

[fossil barn]

though

[inner aurora]

I watched a video of a destruction of a eq5 mount, that's just a few gears wormgears and motors

[fossil barn]

the cem25-p was a veryyy good price very good BUT they discontinued it

[manic elbow]

Yeah exactly

[fossil barn]

literally 900$

prolly more like 1k with tax and stuff but for 25lb limit its great

[inner aurora]

Next hote Take : This alt az 76/700 Newton Telescopes are the worst telescope you could ever buy

[fossil barn]

which tho

brand

[inner aurora]

Binoculars are underrated, I could see M33 with 40mm so dam good

[inner aurora]

A lot of different make these

[manic elbow]

It's 76mm apature?

[inner aurora]

Yes

[fossil barn]

wait

thats way too low

[manic elbow]

Ew

[fossil barn]

yeah ew

[patent vale]

U mean this right?

[inner aurora]

I did have one with a 4mm eyepiece 💀

[manic elbow]

Don't get a 4> telescope for visual

4 inch I mean

[fossil barn]

thats not alt az

[inner aurora]

Exactly

[manic elbow]

That's so bad

[fossil barn]

yeah

[manic elbow]

It is?

[patent vale]

Ik but it says in the description wrong advertisement lol

[inner aurora]

Are you dum stupid or dum

[patent vale]

Or is it

[fossil barn]

all of the above

[patent vale]

Nvm it is

[inner aurora]

This i the best channel of the server

[patent vale]

They dont even come with an 1,5" Focuser

[fossil barn]

this is the reason i should have nerd role C:

[patent vale]

They come with 1" I think

So only bad eyepieces

[inner aurora]

My did have 1,25" standard

[fossil barn]

YAS

1.25'>2"

[inner aurora]

In my country some times this newts. get given away for free and some people try to sell it for 150€

[patent vale]

I got one for 10€ I think and it only has 1" Plastic eyepiece I think 💀

[fossil barn]

bruh

[inner aurora]

I don't want to rewrite my massage

[fossil barn]

massage?

message

[inner aurora]

These are not even 1 these are like 9,1 or so

[fossil barn]

hehehe

heheheheh

[inner aurora]

.

Why should 1,25 be better then 2

[fossil barn]

it just is

[inner aurora]

No why

[fossil barn]

reason one it is

reason 2

i mean 5

[inner aurora]

No

[fossil barn]

1.25 filters are cheper

yes 5

also reason 2 3 4 and 7

because2

it3

jusrt4

is7

[inner aurora]

Does somebody know if bad insults are allowed in this channel

[fossil barn]

dw you will live

wait

prolly only nice insults are allowed

[patent vale]

What if you put a h alpha filter in Front of a regular solar filter and put that in Front of a very small scope? Could that work for a small solar scope?

Or would it be too dark

[fossil barn]

#🤓-ask-a-nerd but i wouldnt think so? but im not a solar photographer

[patent vale]

yeah same but just thought about it

Daystar quark solar filter costs like 2000€

[fossil barn]

you can buy a solar scope for that much i think

[patent vale]

Yes

[inner aurora]

I wouldn't "Pfusch" (how it is called in German) around with things when they are going to point at the sun

[patent vale]

true

[fossil barn]

exactly

[inner aurora]

You would risk equipment ore even your eyes

[fossil barn]

i thought i was gonna risk my trash can

[inner aurora]

I know why you kike1, 25 more then 2, because its closer to the size of your c....

Clock

Why should i mean anything else

[fossil barn]

uh

are you allowed to say that 😂

[inner aurora]

Why not

[patent vale]

true, I would definitely not do it just thought about it

[inner aurora]

What's wrong about a clock

[fossil barn]

i risk everything

[inner aurora]

I mean the thing that's shows time not the guns

[fossil barn]

i used a solar blanket as a solar filter

like the tinfoil looking blanket things

[inner aurora]

I did use a welding mask to look at a eclipses

[fossil barn]

thats a welding mask thats gonna work obvi

[inner aurora]

Not that good

They don't filter out enough light

[fossil barn]

they do for me

[patent vale]

I once projected the sun through an eyepiece on a paper (without a filter

Well

The eyepiece melted

[fossil barn]

the paper would have just burnt

[patent vale]

Idk it worked

[inner aurora]

Solar Astronomy is boring unless you have fancy h alpha gear or there is a eclipse

[fossil barn]

I GOT A NEW TAKE

BEST ONE YET

lights are overrated C:

[strong sequoia]

Flats are overrated, just invert the colour and then you have more stars in the photo

[inner aurora]

Stacking is overrated just paint over the noise in paint or so

[fossil barn]

Yeah

[full dawn]

I'm going to be shooting the 7 sisters tonight

[narrow summit]

Supernova remanent is kinda the same principle

Not same thing but in a nutshell, it's gas edjected by dying stars

[fossil barn]

ok why do you put this in hot takes?

[full dawn]

Oops wrong one 😅

[fossil barn]

LOL its ok lol

[misty marsh]

Yes it is??

[fossil barn]

Ik

[misty marsh]

That’s dumb

[fossil barn]

What is

[misty marsh]

1.25 is better than 2”

2” is far better. Aps-c support, less flex, compatible both ways.

[misty marsh]

They don’t. Welding isn’t hot enough to generate the full uv radiation the sun makes. So you get 100% of the uv radiation in the spectrum they can’t filter.

You’ll get sunburn in your eyes

[fossil barn]

Yes that’s why I didn’t look in the scope 💀

Oh you meant the welding mask yeah I just glanced up while learning how to weld

[subtle drift]

Wat

[fossil barn]

Wat

[inner aurora]

I wouldn't say a 100% but still something, because one of the task of a welding mask is also to block uv light,
Btw last time welding i did have a sunburn on my arm

[misty marsh]

I believe solar uv is a shorter wavelength.

[inner aurora]

Scts should be sold with a Dobson Mount

[misty marsh]

Too short to use properly. Dobs have the eyepiece right at the top.

[inner aurora]

I though it was clear that this was an ironic post

[misty marsh]

I would like a tabletop mini dob frac though.

[hearty cloud]

This is haram

[manic elbow]

Hot take on this server: you shouldn't be putting 8 inch+ newts on mounts that can't handle them.

[native parrot]

We need a separate lunar_pics channel

[inner aurora]

In #deep_space_pics there are too much cap Orion untracked trough eyepiece with phone pics

[native parrot]

Fr its the same with #older_system_pics and the eyepiece moon pics. I understand everybody starts somewhere, every imager used to do this but it just clogs the channel up imo.

[regal wolf]

I've seen a bunch of moon photos and it's amazing O.O but I would like a separate channel

I only photograph the moon

[inner aurora]

There should be channels where only people with a nerd role can post

[native parrot]

Yeah I mean in general it just deserves its own channel, its pretty different from planetary, similar processing but still.

[regal wolf]

I would agree >w<

[native parrot]

Hmm maybe too far, I think it should still be open to beginners

[inner aurora]

I mean maybe an extta channel for beginners

[native parrot]

Too many channels maybe.

Bcs you would have to make one for deepsky and planetary

[inner aurora]

Would Also be an extra channel

[native parrot]

Yeah but its only one

[inner aurora]

Yes a lunar channel would really be sick

[hearty cloud]

Bruh, there's like 30 channels...there's ALREADY too many haha

[native parrot]

True

[strong sequoia]

nah, stick a 10" F4 on a eqm-35

[manic elbow]

Absolutely yes amazing idea

[inner aurora]

I think a Skywatcher Star tracker would new enough

[hearty cloud]

I'm always looking for a reason to post this again...

[manic elbow]

B r o

It's so bad here

I've literally been told to put a 6 or 8 (idr which) newt on a az gti before

[hearty cloud]

Just in case it wasn't clear, that was a conversation with my buddy about this place haha

[manic elbow]

Had a feeling.

[hearty cloud]

Everything is a newt

Everything

[manic elbow]

And a big newt

And the images people take with them are... fine ig

But another issue

People here refuse to put more than 2 hours on a target.

Like wow

You took a 4 minute picture of orion and it looks decent

Why tf aren't you getting more-

[hearty cloud]

I get that it can be hard depending on equipment but yeah, that's a big issue.

Cranking the iso into the stratosphere doesn't substitute 15hrs on a single target

[manic elbow]

Maybe bc it's a pain to use an 8 inch newt on a eq5 and it makes you not want to do ap

[manic elbow]

Fr

Nothing against newts, I want an 8 inch myself one day. But only on a mount that can take it, makes it fun to use, and that let's me dump exposure into a target.

[hearty cloud]

Like I said, it is deference the moment someone with a lighter mount like a Star Adventurer, or even an eqm35pro, asks for a scope recommendation I immediately go to a short focal length refractor

Keep things simple, light and easy to use

Starting out with a big unwieldy newt with long focal length is an exercise in frustration as a beginner even with a decent mount. With a lightweight mount not really made for it? That's a hobby killer right there

[manic elbow]

Agreed, or even just a roki

Starting with a newt isn't the best idea lmao

[inner aurora]

Wrong

[floral echo]

Or do what I do and stubbornly not upgrade gear for months

[inner aurora]

The give you the must possibilitys for the best price

[peak drum]

I started with a 4se (102/1350 f/12.5) and I am surprised by how I didn't quit this hobby, it is a terrible first scope and trash for AP, I was doing 15s subs whyyyyyyy

But now I have the power of basically any sub length I want hehehehe

So my hot take is the 4se is overpriced and bad

Bad for ap*

[arctic rose]

I almost did that but I got a small refractor for the same price as the 10"

It's actually doable

[strong sequoia]

I recently changed my mind from going for a 8" F4 stellalyra to a 6" F4. Still good focal length, bit lighter too (heq5)

[manic elbow]

This was a great move. You won't be disappointed with the 6

[manic elbow]

The 10 is not doable. The frac was a great move.

[strong sequoia]

I end up going from 0.9 arcsec to 1.2 or so (off the top of my head, the unit may also be wrong) but the atmosphere wobbles so much it won't matter much anyway

[arctic rose]

I found a fancy carbon fibre one for a good price so the weight was less than my old 120 refractor

I went with a 71 quintuplet in the end

But the counterweights were too heavy so I have to make my own from wood

[manic elbow]

Weight means nothing

I've said that so many times here

Well it means something, but not as much as you think

Visual capacity is what is listed, ap capacity is half of that

Even then newts are wind sails

[manic elbow]

Killer scope. Made the right choice

[arctic rose]

Yeah I'm really happy with it, only had one night and I tried to photograph as many of my old targets as possible, I only got like 30 mins per target but it still showed a huge improvement in CA

It's so small too

[manic elbow]

I'm sure! Just a general tip, don't do a bunch of targets in 1 night unless it's all night and different ones are rising and setting. Ik you were testing so that's different, but you rly wanna dump exposure into 1 thing

[manic elbow]

Redcat 71?

[arctic rose]

No, it's the predecessor (I believe redcat is quadruplet)

[manic elbow]

What's it called?

[arctic rose]

Redcat is 2+1+1 so a doublet, reducer, corrector. Mine is 3+1+1 triplet, reducer, corrector

WO Star 71

[hearty cloud]

I dont think you're paying attention to what we are talking about...

[inner aurora]

Why

[hearty cloud]

We are talking about starting with a newt as your first scope for astrophotography, specifically when being used on a mount that isn't up to the task

This is just asking for trouble, frustration and possibly just giving up

[inner aurora]

When you buy a meet instead of an apo you can invest the Money on better mount

[manic elbow]

Newts are very capable scopes, just look at what lyaphine does, but only in the hands of someone who knows how to use one

[inner aurora]

Used you can find 6" or 8" for under 100€

[manic elbow]

Newt prices are also fake lmao

You're gonna end up spending a lot more than 100

[arctic rose]

I have a hot take:

[manic elbow]

Not for the Ota itself, but everything else

[inner aurora]

I have seen a lot God offers

[hearty cloud]

I learned very early on to just be patient and focus on a single object not just for a whole night, but for multiple nights. This is the Iris nebula with just under 20hrs of integration...I thought it was enough...BUT I NEED MORE

[arctic rose]

183c is better than 585c

[inner aurora]

One time a 8" G4 for 70

And when a newt is to complicated for you I don't know if Astrophotography is the right hobby

[manic elbow]

Pfft- same lol. This is 6h over 3 nights. Dust=best target

Awesome image btw!

[hearty cloud]

Hngggg that widefield view. I need to try again and mosaic that shit next year

[manic elbow]

Wish I could get more but no dark site anymore

[hearty cloud]

Sounds like you need yourself an 14" f/4 Newtonian

[manic elbow]

I wish-

Hot take

Dark skies are more powerful than any scope for broadband

[inner aurora]

I got a 16"Newt for free

[inner aurora]

This is rather a fact then a hot take

[manic elbow]

Fair lmao

[floral echo]

Dark skies are cheating

Everyone should have to image from b5 minimum

[inner aurora]

Our Moon is boring when compared to to Moons like Titan Io Europa Charon or Triton

[manic elbow]

...not this again

Triton is cool I like triton a lot

[inner aurora]

Yes but Titan is the best Moon of the Solar system

And Enceladus is the best looking

[strong sequoia]

Seeing diffraction spikes with your own eyes is the next step in evolution.

/s

[fossil barn]

lunar images are so lame ngl

[native parrot]

Closeups and mineral moons are cool tho

[manic elbow]

Adding on to this: I don't get why so many people recommend corrected doublets. They're the same price as the roki and with a significantly lower optical quality

[hearty cloud]

• looks at my Zenithstar 81 with fpl-53 glass and cries

[manic elbow]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but would you recommend that over a roki?

[inner aurora]

The Asair is completely overrated and overpriced

[subtle drift]

My only suggestions are Roki and redcat

FINE

[subtle drift]

https://tenor.com/view/berserker-gif-26486529

[manic elbow]

For under 1k... honestly same

Unless you can't spend more than 300

[subtle drift]

I say save up lol

[manic elbow]

Yes.

[manic elbow]

Agreed

[inner aurora]

Finally more then one person agrees with me

[hearty cloud]

Depends on the situation I guess. If you image with a dslr and you're looking for something super widefield that you can use for daytime photography well then yeah the Roki makes sense. Even then, direct comparisons between a 135mm Rokinon and a 560mm (450mm reduced) Zenithstar 81 seems odd, they do completely different things.

As a completely generalized comparison, for purely dedicated astrophotography I have no idea why anyone would get a camera lens over a telescope. Camera lenses are a pain in the dick to focus (and hold focus, I don't miss the days of using painters tape to hold focus). Telescopes are designed for focusing to infinity, making it easier to do than a lens. Telescopes have far greater transmission efficiency (by virtue of having 2 or 3 lenses, versus 7-ish times that in a lens). There was a comparison done between a Canon 70-200mm 2.8 lens ($2,000usd) and an ED102 (run of the mill triplet) and that ED was almost a full stop better than the Canon. It was shocking what all those lenses do! Many (most?) lenses have strange stars in the corners. And on and on.

I'm not shitting on the Roki's (Lord knows the fanboys are frothing at the mouth and circling as we speak) or lenses in general, they're fantastic to start off with and may even be preferable under certain niche circumstances, but it didn't take me long to move on from lenses and I never looked back. There's a reason why telescopes are preferred. No hate.

[subtle drift]

CA vs no CA F/5-7 vs F/2

[manic elbow]

I mean it depends on the fl

[subtle drift]

I’ll take that over any 500mm doublet

[manic elbow]

And I was talking more on the basis of pure optical quality

[hearty cloud]

Where's the chromatic aberration here?

I have a well corrected doublet, which was the original comparison point tbf

[manic elbow]

A good telescope is favorable to a roki generally, yes (though roki is probably the best for the 100-200mm fl range)

[hearty cloud]

The value for your money at those focal lengths certainly fsvor the roki for sure

[subtle drift]

None; but that’s not the only test, are there any broadband shots?

[hearty cloud]

And tha jfully tgeg can be adapted to astro cam usage as well

[hearty cloud]

These two are some of my latest shots

[manic elbow]

I've seen some great results from doublets, but I've always thought they just sometimes look... off

[subtle drift]

I spot some; looks reduced in post

[manic elbow]

Given, the zenithstar is p great from what I've seen

Yeah theres def a tad bit in that

Not a super noticeable amount though

[subtle drift]

U have to look for it to know

[hearty cloud]

I didn't even work k the stars in that pic

Maybe I should

[manic elbow]

Still a good pic tho-

[subtle drift]

Fr

[hearty cloud]

Like I said, my point wasn't to shit on lenses or the Roki in general, for thr most part my opinion is that it's kind of apples and oranges really

And in that focal length range things are reaaaally slim pickings in scopes

[manic elbow]

Fl range is definitely annoying sometimes

[hearty cloud]

Like I see those askar's, and I have been researching a few the past week or so and I keep coming to the conclusion of..why

Why would I get an askar

It would be a very close toss-up between an Askar 180 and Roki 135 if I ever was going that route

And I can find a Roki for much cheaper

[subtle drift]

Widefield all the way

I need to continue embryo it’s raining

[manic elbow]

I mean I'm a sucker for wide field-

Shameless plug

Embryo so cool

[hearty cloud]

Widefield is great but man....there are so many cool objects that look great all zoomed in

Tons of little details

[subtle drift]

B7

[manic elbow]

That was b4~

[subtle drift]

F2

[manic elbow]

I live in b6-

[subtle drift]

Shit

I’m fcked

I need to do 200h

[manic elbow]

F2 as well

[hearty cloud]

This however is so hilariously wrong it's not funny. ZWO sells tons of these, shipments sell out within days because...they're overrated? They do exactly what they're meant to do and do it very well!

[manic elbow]

Hmm...

I mean yes they do what they're supposed to

[hearty cloud]

Overpriced is subjective I guess

[manic elbow]

I compare them to apple products

They're sleek, easy, and get the job done

They're also overpriced, underpowered, and lock you into an ecosystem

[inner aurora]

Thats the defintion of overrated

[hearty cloud]

This sounds like so.ething someone who's never used an Asair would say tbh

And I honestly get the impression that all the haters on here have never used one to even base their opinions off of

[manic elbow]

What happens when you want a cam that isn't ZWO?

I'll say up front I have not lmao

But I think a mini pc is just more versatile

[subtle drift]

I have one

[hearty cloud]

See the good thing is, ZWO makes high quality cameras, and has so many different versions that it'll cover anything you'd ever need!

[subtle drift]

I also opened it

[hearty cloud]

This is undeniable

[subtle drift]

QHY is actually better

[inner aurora]

No because you can do everything with a laptop for free everybody has a laptop)

[manic elbow]

But its not the only brand...

Exactly

QHY exists

[subtle drift]

And legitimately their cams are better

[manic elbow]

They're targeted more towards advanced imagers right?

[subtle drift]

Yeah

[hearty cloud]

This isn't like comparing a qhy to an svbony though. A qhy to zwo comparison isn't this mangnificent difference in quality. You won't go wrong with a zwo product

[manic elbow]

Thought so

[subtle drift]

There is actually a big difference,

[inner aurora]

have you ever tried a qhy cam when you jugge about them now

[subtle drift]

Qhy also is better for research

[hearty cloud]

The difference is you're making disparaging claims about the asiair, I haven't said qhy is shit at all. All I've said is being locked into zwo isn't this horrific event where you're stuck using trash

Qhy makes quality stuff, always has

[fossil barn]

fake sho

[subtle drift]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027241274174078988/1051679864182280322/caption.gif

[sudden shore]

groans

[manic elbow]

I mean, it is a massive issue here-

[strong sequoia]

Doesn't help that websites do deals comboing heq5 and a 8" f5 scope

And you look at it and think oh, I could stick more on there

[lethal vortex]

Thing is, not everyone wants to do AP. For visual, HEQ5 is overkill for an 8” newt.

eq5 is more than enough, tbh

[manic elbow]

Tbh I wouldn't get a separate eq mount for visual, I'd just do goto

The mounts were designed specifically with astro in mind

[lethal vortex]

Before computerised mounts became affordable, you’d prefer use a GEM for visual because you only need a single constant-speed motor or a single turning handle to keep the object centred in view. Dobsonian mounts came later as a reaction to expensive GEMs, and computerised go-to, which is necessary for alt-az tracking, came later still.

[latent grove]

This is a carbon melting take

I find the asiair a quality of life thing

[latent grove]

Vikram and Jf are just salty, because they have to load up a whole laptop and open multiple software while asiair users can pull out their phone

[native parrot]

Its very good if you travel a lot, no need to lug around a laptop.

[hearty cloud]

Yeah Ive mentioned that before for the reasoning behind why I like it. I've never said it's more capable thsn nina or anything, but when I work 9-10hrs a day, have a family, kids etc...I have very little free time. The last thing I want to do is be dicking around with a laptop and the four different doftwares required to run it snd firmware and updates etc. It's silly

[latent grove]

Imagine the problems with keeping the laptop from the elements

[hearty cloud]

And like I said before as well, I suspect most of the hate (not just here) comes from

A) not being to afford it or not wanting to shell out the cash for it
B) being stuck with habits formed over years (i.e. certsin software or hardware)
or
C) just a general shitty attitude for things other people like and the bizarre need to fight about it

[misty marsh]

Asi air is great sure, but there’s simpler and cheaper options. Stellarmate is better than asi air imo and sooooo much cheaper. Does the exact same thing.

Asi air is good if you have no care about cost

[hearty cloud]

ALSO, and here is MY hot take (let's be real it's not a hot take, it's truth), for 98% of the people in this discord and elsewhere the asiair will do exactly what people need it to do. The vast majority of options and switches and settings people trot out as a plus over the asiair....they don't even use. Km willing to bet on that

[hearty cloud]

Ew. It's so....early 2000's

[latent grove]

The ASIAIR software is refined, I think it may be the best now

[misty marsh]

You just get a $50 laptop. No need to worry about the elements

[misty marsh]

It is sure, but you pay heaps more.

[latent grove]

In the end its all cheap compared to everything else in the hobby

[hearty cloud]

Have you ever used Stellarmate? It's horrific. I don't mean to shit on the excellent work of a bunch of individuals working open source, but it's....difficult to say the least. Many problems and bugs to be ironed out

[misty marsh]

I would personally settle for something 70% user friendly vs 95% if it was cheaper

[misty marsh]

Yeah, asi air has them too, updates will fix em.

[hearty cloud]

Yeah no. I've been using the asiair for years and there is next to no issues. In my case, literally zero issues. From day one I plug stuff in and I'm off to the races. They aren't even comparable

[hearty cloud]

The asiair mini is $199...

That's...nothing

[misty marsh]

Stellarmate is relatively new fyi

[misty marsh]

My laptop was $40.

[hearty cloud]

Is your laptop a 12v power distribution device?

[misty marsh]

I have a 5v distribution and a 12v distribution box yes.

No need for much 12v power atm

[native parrot]

What do yall think of the air mini? I'm thinking of getting it, the price seems decent. Does usb2 have downsides?

[hearty cloud]

Unless you plan on doing high framerate planetary, no

[native parrot]

aight

[misty marsh]

If you are doing planetary I would 100% avoid usb2

[native parrot]

yeah I only do planetary from home

[hearty cloud]

Other than that it has no ethernet port either

So wifi only

[misty marsh]

That sucks wow

[hearty cloud]

Again though, why? It has wifi

Set your shit up, hit run let it go

[misty marsh]

Higher speed transfers

[hearty cloud]

It has 5ghz

[misty marsh]

Still wifi is slower than Ethernet. It isn’t going to hit 5g

[hearty cloud]

And stores everything in the device

[hearty cloud]

The only thing being transferred are preview pictures essentially. And they go from the device to your phone in less than half a second?

[misty marsh]

5ghz? That’s so slow lol

[hearty cloud]

I mean I get it, you're desperately trying to find anything to knock it haha

But this isn't the issue you think it is

[misty marsh]

I’m not trying to knock it, it just feels very overhyped. Good for some, imo not the thing for quite a few people

Especially myself

[hearty cloud]

I plug in a USB cable and multiple gb of data is transferred Ina minute or so

[misty marsh]

I couldn’t live without the laptop screen

[latent grove]

I could live with the phone screen

[misty marsh]

How’s the latency on it?

[hearty cloud]

Of course, the asiair app is so elegantly laid out

[latent grove]

Very low

[hearty cloud]

With data transfer?

[misty marsh]

As in the delay from photo going to the device and being displayed on your phone

[hearty cloud]

Less than half a second

I have a video of it somewhere I csnt find it ffs

My buddy was I terested and had the same question

So I took a video. It was something like 0.13s

[misty marsh]

I couldn’t live with half a second. It’s hard enough doing planetary and the sorta work I do with no delay.

[hearty cloud]

Video?

There is none

[misty marsh]

Huh

[hearty cloud]

Depending on your exposure times of course

I thought you were talking ikage transfer

[misty marsh]

Latency vs transfer speeds. Latency is different

[hearty cloud]

I use my asiair to collimate my sct in real time, looking at the screen in video mode

Which, thank fvck, doing it through an eyepiece is hell

This way I can stand right st the front of the scope and dial it in

[misty marsh]

What’s the latency though.

[fervent raven]

Can't you use a tribahtinov?

Or is that for maks

[hearty cloud]

Obviously there has to be SOMETHING. Its imperceptible apparently though

[hearty cloud]

No I mean for collimating the sct, defocusing a star to varying degrees and and collimating as I go. Before it was "look through eyepiece, go to front of scope make adjustment, back to eyepiece, shit wrong way, back to front of scope, make adjustment" etc

[fervent raven]

Yes for collimating the SCT, tribahtinovs offer more spikes for collimation

[hearty cloud]

This way I out it into video mode and stand at the front, watch the screen as I collimate in real time

[hearty cloud]

Haven't found a need to use a tribaht yet, I only was able to use the c8 for a month and a half or so before weather turned shit. Though knowing how ocd I am with collimstion (literally everytime I go out) I'm sure I'll be looking into one come spring time

[manic elbow]

I can see the argument for both tbh and it does depend on your use case. While the pc route is objectively cheaper and more versatile (and the only option for more advanced users) it is hard to deny the convenience of the asiair

But only if you have the right use cases and gear

[hearty cloud]

I found a screenshot from when I was showing a buddy how I collimate the sct

[misty marsh]

Even that convenient factor is reduced heaps with a cheap mini pc and chrome Remote Desktop

[fervent raven]

Mini PCs do be cheap

A downside is however most require 19V

[misty marsh]

Obv not as streamlined as an app, but heaps more features and cheaper

[fervent raven]

If you're not going NUC tier

[hearty cloud]

I dont think you understand how easy and no nonsense the asiair is. A mini pc and the four different programs and all the nonsense associated with it is the opposite of convenient

I turn kn asiair. And...I go

[misty marsh]

It takes 30 seconds to setup software. Open phd2. Click a single button. Connect Nina equipment. Single button.

[latent grove]

If the software developers ever allowed other brand cameras to function on the asiair, it would no doubt be the king

[hearty cloud]

Again though, these "features" everyone touts, I bet the vast majority don't even use them, or possibly even know what they do. They would get by just fine with an asiair!

[fervent raven]

Unless they have anything other than canon, some Nikon, or zwo

[latent grove]

still though, the asiair makes your life easier

[misty marsh]

Asi air only recently got a mosaic planner

[latent grove]

Out of curiosity, have you tried the asiair? The quality of life improvements are out of the world

[manic elbow]

Both have pros and cons

If you're just starting, or super advanced, pc is probably better

[hearty cloud]

No friggin way that'll happen. ZWO is making REAMS of money right now. There WAS a guy on cloudy nights who started a thread detailing his reverse engineering of the asiair's os and claimed to think he would be able to create a custom firmware that would add other vendors. It was very fascinating watching him go and then....the mods MYSTERIOUSLY deleted the thread. He told me he was told that's not allowed knt he forum?

CONSPIRACY

[misty marsh]

I’ve seen it used yeah, and I’m aware of the features. I won’t buy one though.

[fervent raven]

Mini PC route has many small ones, asiair has a few large ones, gotta weigh out which is best for you

[latent grove]

Yikes

[manic elbow]

Asiair is great for the people in between. Though mini pc still definitely isn't objectively worse

[hearty cloud]

98% of the people who hate on it havent. That's a FACT SON

Or else they wouldn't shit talk

[native parrot]

zwogate

[misty marsh]

The people who I’ve spoken to have had Nina issues. But I’ve never had any issues. 95% never have Nina issues

[latent grove]

I hope qhy or another brand releases an asiair clone which allows compatability

[hearty cloud]

Yeah it was offputting to say the least. The whole forum is FULL of hacks and modifications to mounts and all sorts of stuff. But that was mysteriously deleted and the dude was admonished. Weird.

[latent grove]

would sell like hot cakes

[misty marsh]

Player one asi air

[fervent raven]

Or stellarmate gains popularity enough to gain serious improvements

[hearty cloud]

If the asiair supported zwo, qhy and player one ooooeeeeeeeee

[fervent raven]

And touptek cams

[latent grove]

In our current situation though, I will stick with the asiair

[misty marsh]

Waiting for some lad on CN to reverse engineer the asi software and make it propriety

[latent grove]

the mini computer just seems too much hassle

[misty marsh]

You tried a mini pc?

Chrome Remote Desktop is amazing

[manic elbow]

It's rly nit lol

[latent grove]

I had difficulty setting up the software on my main pc

[manic elbow]

I mean I use a laptoo

[fervent raven]

One thing I'll say is I'd love an asiair to save from my camera disconnecting every second because of my dodgy usb hub

[misty marsh]

#1033998204993282098 more like my daily dose of migraine

[latent grove]

The asiair is superior, the discussion is done

[hearty cloud]

It needs so much work. Google stellarmate issues and it's pages and pages of frustrated people. But again I don't want to shit on it, it's open source and the people working on it are doing awesome stuff. It's just...comparing it to a massive company like zwo with untold millions available to be tossed at r&d isn't really proper hshs (not saying you were)

[latent grove]

pack it up all

no need for more talking

[fervent raven]

Stop the cap

[hearty cloud]

Close the thread

[manic elbow]

They both have pros and cons

[latent grove]

Exactly

close the thread, asiair is the winner!

[manic elbow]

It depends on your use case

[latent grove]

No need for this nonsense arguing

[fervent raven]

Asiair mini got that disgusting ahh usb 2 💀💀

[latent grove]

Shhhh

close the thread

Exactly

[manic elbow]

It's down to prererence

[fervent raven]

Who the fvck do the hardware Devs working on asiair think they are though?

Utter bull shite

[latent grove]

They think that they are asiair developers

[native parrot]

real

[hearty cloud]

The way I see it is its never been a better time to be an amateur astrophotographer. We are living in a time with so many choices, and there will no doubt be a choice that will fit your specific scenario, skill level and equipment.

[manic elbow]

I'm not personally going to recomend an asiair but I see and understand the use cases