#Phone Astrophotography
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Nah
Also not much more data to extract since a 10x telephoto can only do so much
flats
Carina Nebula reprocessing
- The mirror was pinched at this time
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📋Exif:
🔭 Toya 114/900, eyepiece 20mm 68° svbony. Eq3 with unguided onstep
📷 Xiaomi Mi9T (IMX 586)
⚙ 304x20s ISO 1600
📌 Contryside of São Paulo. Bortle 3
Dayum
w h a t
The nebula showed the middle finger, it doesnt like being photographed
The jumps? It´s just dither.
I just made a timelapse with the frames of a photo... The intention was not to make a timelapse with this data...
Exactly
New comet 
On a more serious note: I think you should align the phone to the eyepiece more perfectly
Binos?
phone camera
Hmm
Yeah
I bought an astrocam but that doesn’t mean I don’t do widefield
💀
The guy doubting my photo because has a spike and I use my cell phone with an eyepiece
Does he know that there is such thing as secondary mirror spider vanes
He knows... But according to him, diffraction could not occur through the eyepiece. The guy thinks that the diffracted light just mysteriously disappears 
Oh no, diffraction spikes through eyepiece 
Reprocess
Ringnebula on a iphone 11 through a 200mm newtonian
May I process your stacked image
get more
I first thought my Telescope wasn't collimated
But then I figured out
there. fixed it (mostly).
Master @iron bear, my phone has a Samsung HM2 sensor...is it any good for Astrophotography???
rip
Should I be videoing to get better photos then?
For planets yes...and for dso too...you could try...you can set higher exposures but you will have to track the object after short periods of time
Yeah I don't have a tracking mount so....
no not with dso
are you sure
dayum bro got some dark skies
Why??? I've seen people doing it
If you set your fps high you don't need one
My best widefield so far
Because you use RAW and don't need 60 frames per second.
Longer exposure time is always better
Really ???
I didn't know that
So there's no problem recording at 4K 30fps???
But doesn't higher FPS mean more frames thus more detail in postprocessing
In pro video should I turn on tracking autofocus ?
Also in pro video I cannot record raw, that ok?
You can turn it on if the object stays in frame
wouldn't work as well for deep space objects tho
Stars or planets ?
For planets it is btr
Thnx
stars, unless the star is fairly bright, try not to
Ok so should I just keep if off?
I guess I was thinking of using it for planets tho not stars
Still need to figure out why my star photos turn out the way they do
hm
Sure
Like this is my star photos... dng is the image type that the phone takes
Are you able to view that photo ?
Yes
Might want to do an online file type transfer
Dng to png
Don't do jpeg
Hmm let me check into this
Lost all of its quality 😦
Why does the iso go to 400? And I can't change that either btw (at least using expert raw mode on astrophotography mode I can't)
Pretty sure it calculates the correct iso usage, or what it thinks it is
Ok so it should be good shooting in 400?
Looks good regardless
Longer exp time is bettet
Are you talking about deepsky?
Whatt
Lucas Goncalves uses pro shot
Deepsky?
My master
Decadence
Who did it better?
dash
The iPhone's Noise Reduction AI is very bad; Leaves the photo full of artifacts and without details
Because it is 108mp, it will not be as good at astrophotography. But I believe you can take good photos if you take longer exposure times.
just, no
Infrared sensor in the cell phone camera is more of a hindrance than a help. The deepskycamera developer had to cover his cell phone's sensor with tape because it was generating reflections in the eyepiece. Basically it is useless in astrophotography.
@iron bear not sure I understand that tbh?
What the doubt?
, I had seen that the autofocus IR sensor was highlighted. I thought there was a doubt about this
Dso´s?
No just star photos
Stars are also considered Dso. Is it getting bright because of light pollution? Depending, if the photo is in raw, there is no file exposure compensation to reduce the effect.
This raw is compressed. Use deepskycamera
At first it seems more complex, but you will have to learn
. Not so difficult
That raw you envied is compressed and Pixinsight can't even read it. It's probably a processed raw (Just like iPhone raw) It's not real raw
Precisely, it is processed raw. It's more like a PNG+
Thank you master...my camera is not always set to 108mp...I have to set it on 108mp...otherwise it sets itself automatically at 12mp
Yes, it is in BIN x4. But the original pixel size is still smaller. Conversion is not 100% efficient
So expert raw is not a good idea?
Not for serious astrophotography. I would only use it for some tests
Damn, I really enjoy it because it does long shots composed of a bunch of smaller shots.... also it has the stars built into it 😔
I noticed that too, I took a picture of the floor and there were stars
The fake stars you are talking about are probably hotpixels.
Damn
No no, I mean it has a star tracking thing built into the camera
Really??
I'm buying a Samsung 20s ultra
😳😳😳😳😳
If you can find a way to mount it on the telescope pointing at the direction of where the telescope is pointing you could even use it as a tracking device
@iron bear check photo I sent
Yeah I know, I've thought of that as well......
It's a great idea if it's actually accurate
The feature
I could probably even take it to a super dark spot and use the phone to take photos through the telescope with that mode
This is just a locator to let you know where the stars are
The only problem is that in expert raw, once you hit the camera button you can't see a live feed anymore
hello
So I wouldn't be able to track, say for example, Andromeda Galaxy.....
If you know you've set the settings correctly this doesn't have to bother you
If you bought a motor drive you could
Would things like Andromeda Galaxy move fast enough to have to adjust it every 4 minutes ?
Too much $
It's 45 euros ...so around 65-70 CAD...but also it's not worth it because I just checked you have an alt-az mount
Through your Telescope?? Of course they would move very fast...but you could capture Andromeda by using just your phone if you can get to a pretty dark place
R u certain? I had heard before that you can go up to about 6 minutes with no star trailing ?
Or maybe I'm wrong
whats ur question
Because of that feature...I was just joking 😂😂
@fiery rover don't joke, Samsung's are amazing
Ik
But the amazing ones are a bit expensive for my standards
The feature is not worth it..
Lmao yeah
But the sky is blue
Its atleast beautiful
Here its white grey yellow brown
Here it marks as bortle 9.5
Tbh some dude will feel mean and make narrowband street lamps :)
My city from ISS. There is no real bortle scale greater than 9. But if there is, I'm sure it would be more than 9 here
💀
And you still get those great images
He moves to b4 sometimes lol
Anyone have any solution to opening dng files in siril?
PIPP? Idk man
@iron bear btw deepskycamera also saves as dng not raw
So.... why is it that "shot in raw" is always suggested yet when you "shot in raw" it saves it as dng and that is no good? I'm really confused
is dng not raw format
I’m pretty sure a .tiff is more raw than that lol
IDK?
Dng is just what my phone saves as and it seems like it's not good but that's what every phone uses
Idk but no program I've tried opens dng format
Gimp, siril, apparently pixinsight
Yeah uhh I’d say just use PIPP and pray to god
So I have a IPhone 14 plus and I am having a hard time getting a decent shot of Jupiter and I keep getting a bit of glare which I am wondering if that is from humidity fogging up the lense on my telescope but this is the best I could really get
Now the problem I also think could be is that it was not taken with a Barlow lens and used pure iPhone zoom
Fair enough
I used to be the king of iPhone planets because of this ISS shot
This is my newest shot using a budget planetary camera
Yes, but the deepskycamera dng is the normal dng and not the modified samsung dng
A single ping will suffice
Impatience will not
I didn't mean to ping twice tbh
how much magnification is this
2x Barlow
M33
no?
you can shoot at .5 seconds max...
@edgy talon oh ok, thank you!
yeah welcome to untracked
Dng is raw
M6+M7?
H x Persei
M33

Also I still do occasionally use my phone for AP no worries
THIS IS NOT A PHONE IMAGE!! ⚠ This is the dwarf 2 pleiades compared to yours I don't know. Mine look cool . Yours too
I may have detected some nebula FINALLY
Bortle 8
Taken with Google camera app
Skywatcher Heritage 130p
Redmi Note 10 Pro
It's not stacked btw
It's a single image
DANNNNGGGGGG
wait then why is the edge green
DAMMNNN
It's a problem that occurred during the post-processing
I processed the picture on my phone
So it's not top notch quality
Today I tried minimising the effect
I think that if I actually processed the image on Astrosurface it would come it even better
But it's good for now
It occurred when I tried applying the vignette feature on the image
Apparently you have to be very careful when using the vignette
It can ruin your image
Lol
Flame?
And a teeny tiny bit of horsehead
Mon
mon👍
looks weird
just something abt it
how is one part of the moon in focus and the rest is out of focus?
looks oversharpened too
yeah it looks like too much contrast or black point
Yeah I think I overdid it a bit with the black point 😅😅😅
The second version is better though
I also corrected that with the second version
I will download Snapseed to see what I can do better
M33
Redmi note 7
SW eq3-2 with terrans OnStep
Defective 23mm eyepiece
Powerseeker 114/900
Reprocess
There is not enough exposure for this subject and it is worth working with the background later. My bortle is 8
I see it!
The noise is killing me, we both need to work on noise reduction
I gotta shoot more data lol
wtf
That’s what I’m saying
your stars are terrible
Shooting in jpeg is a bad idea
Seems iphoney yeH
Unlucky
Main thing is if you’re happy with the images.
One thing to consider with jpeg (or any compressed format) is that it reduces the ability to edit. Stretching the image might result in colour banding or clipped shadows/highlights
so you’re saying if you shoot in jpeg then you won’t have any noise? got it
imma shoot in jpeg from now on
Have fun
Auroras from last night
andriod
Intresting
Depends on the app and how it’s processed
what would get better results with an iphone 13 pro: stacking raw pictures of the moon or recording 4k60fps and stacking?
recording
its much faster too
oki thxx
a couple artifacts idk how to get rid of
Probably collimation
Collimate ur scope
Why does that look the exact same as my old phone photos
I wish I could get that
Save for an astro cam
No, I'm saving for a seestar s50
That's awesome!
Yeah, what scope you got?

Sorry I hate having to type it out 
You could get a better mount and an asi224mc, i think that you can get the skywatcher az gti motorised mount and the asi225mc will be good
Thx
ASI224MC
Where did you get the 225? It says 224
Idk man, I can't afford to buy a mount, already went down that path and then discovered the seestar s50 and fell in love as if fits my style of astronomy.... very amature 🤣
Like bro, if I can take photos like this and still use my telescope to view planets etc.... I'm happy https://discord.com/channels/794642864218439681/1104838820941275336
Think about the dwarf 2 and seestar and compare both of them by the aspects like transportation, weight, modification and ease to use.
Because both are amazing little scopes
why?
a seestar is the lazy way in astrophotography
Guys what ISO shall I use when photographing the Orion nebula
It's a S 20fe
While using 30 sec as exposure time
With a relatively well tracked mount
And how many pictures will I need to get the most details on the nebula
Will I need to also use dark , flat and bias pictures too?
Please answer it all in one text
It's a 114mm Newtonian Reflector
Don't expect a result from the first try. Just experiment. Pretty sure no one has the same exact equipment.
It may be lazy but it produces results that I would be more than happy with and if I were to do it the "non lazy" way it would cost me 10x more
Just get a uranus-c
Again, that goes down the path of, ok now I need a tracking mount and guess what now my telescope isn't powerful enough to produce decent photos so gotta buy a new scope ....
Is it better to use 3200 for ISO or lower ISO
Like 800 or 1800
Is there a big difference between them cause I need to get the most details on Orion nebula
im with you on this lmao, i’m also trying to save for a seestar. it’s literally designed for beginners, and seems like a good deal for the images it produces
100%!!!
To get a good Orion Nebula image where the core is not completely white, you need an HDR composition. There are many tutorials on that. High ISO makes your image brighter.
untracked uranus-c could beat a see-star
that zwo robot thing, whatever its called
yeah thats good
do 30's, get a decent image, send stacked tiff
I agree
And I understand your point, but I don't have the budget to buy into Astrophotography and do it proper
- what the seestar produces pleases me enough
Just snapseed
No stacking...nothing
Much better than my last one
This one is a bit more natural looking
Idk which one is better
heritage my beloved
Your limited by the scopes tiny aperture
Get a used 8" dob and a uranus-c and your good to go
not for deepsky
i actually dont know how good it would be for deepsky but doesnt sound good
correct me
uranus-c is very capable for DSOS, and you can do untracked
Still
bro hush
but yeah the uranus-c is capable for DSOS, the weakest link with a dob and uranus, is being untracked and more narrow
Still, the seestar s50 is a better fit for me, so yeah
it’s way more portable
Yeah, but also for a amateur stargazer like me.... it gives me photos that I'm happy with and that's what matters so...
Huh
stretch
whys it look like clay
Haha
A bit too much blur reduction
Shoot in raw 😭 (if you don't)
My very first stacked image of the moon
Redmi Note 10 Pro
Skywatcher Heritage 130p
That moment when you get 2 minutes of signal
what target is this
Wait wrong channel lol
you can't do deep sky to save your life dear god
fr like is this just bad processing or what
can or can’t
can, posted some good images that I haven't seen
oh yeah you’re right
id like to see you do it then
dude took it personally
It was 2 minutes of data lol
This was
i ain gon let no one mess with my boy
And plus I have things to fall back on if DSO fails
your good on planetary can't deny that
Single shot of the moon five days ago
My university lets me use the scopes whenever so I get access to a 14" SCT whenever I please 
DAMNN
Dream
My school does have a telescope, but as far as i know it's a 5" or a 6" eq3, so nothing impressive
I haven't seen it yet, but god i hope it's not a powerseeker or something like that
i got the best scope in my school, when october 14 comes around im gonna live stream the eclipse
My middle school bought a telescope, it was a celestron 130 astromaster😂
bro one of my teachers in my schools whos got a phd has an 8" dob at school
hes got some solar telescopes as well
Gimme
i dont recall them being by lunt or soemthign else
but he had an eqm-35?? or a heq5
He’s probably in this server, lurking…
give me
Bruuuuuh
I wanna heq5 goto
S23U aurora on Sept 25 over germany
To bad the raw broke so I just have a bad version as a jpg left:(
The moon
Earth
ok fine i admit it im living on the moon 😔
Knew it
More data
Ey bro can you help me with stacking my orion data? I cant send you them rn but i can send it when im back from school
Just get deepskystacker
Yeah somethings wrong with mine
Damn
Have you considered using a webcam instead of a phone
Might have more luck. Phones can do wide field stars but for planets I wouldn’t bother
To do it with your cell phone, you need the right eyepieces. will be better than a webcam that doesn't disable noise reduction
My last one with a phone. 6mm eyepiece + 2x barlow with 114mm telescope.
this is my last saturn pic with the exact same specs 😭
ps1 version of yours
Pls, disable the noise reduction
Use any professional video recorder. Filmic pro type. You can disable video noise reduction
wdym by that
ill check out filmic pro later tonight
Leave NoiseReduction at OFF.
Noise reduction is bad if it’s done on camera
You want to apply it in post after processing, having a pixelated mess and working from that data won’t produce good results
Like $10 if you get a second hand webcam
I have seen some web cams do a pretty good job. I dod have a telescope camera, SV205, not the best one there is but I just need a better telescope, and why I say that is my focal length is to short to the point its a bit blurry with cameras. I am getting a new telescope in the mail soon so I am hoping that might help out
Whats ur question
What is this? What app?
ProShot app. It is for recording videos with a higher bitrate and without noise reduction. Good for planets
This?
@floral barn does it capture in real raw ? My phone captures raw but saves as dng which according to a lot of people actually isn't real raw?
It continues capturing in mp4, as there is no raw in video. But as the bitrate is much higher and there is no noise reduction, it is as if it were raw.
Different account
I'm on my cell phone. I leave the other account only on the computer 😅
@floral barn can't decide if it's worth using, my phone already has expert raw mode
This app is for making videos at a higher bitrate. For long exposure photos there are better ones like Deepskycamera. And I wouldn't use expert raw, because the raw it doesn't have the same level of information as true raw. The expert raw gives you a slightly processed raw.
How'd you get such good photos?
Do I just need a more powerful eyepiece
i couldn't realistically go past this
this is with 12.5mm ep (25+2x barlow)
more powerful eyepiece+a tracker
alr
although a tracker isn't as necessary, given I don't use a tracker lol
I have a 10mm eyepiece and I can stack 2 Barlows of 2x and 3x magnification so I can get a 5x magnification...is this good enough ???
5x barlow with a 10mm eyepiece means 325x magnification
And I could possibly push it to 395x
Hey
Welcome to the server!!
hello, so i am trying to remove the vignetting i get in my pictures. i'm trying to take some flats. i am not happy with the result. first picture is without flats and second is with flats. what do you think is happening?
i'm using sequator to process
Second is better
1.3h of earth rotation with the phone on equatorial mount
35s iso 100 shots. Xiaomi 12 + eq3
Contryside of São Paulo, Brazil. Bortle 3 with full moon
Bros imaging stars at day time
The earth is flat 🤓🤓🤓
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Use siril background extraction
Long exposure with full moon turns night into day!
anyone wanna try and edit this? it’s andromeda galaxy
yes i know it’s hella trailed
Boy u even gote some dust lanes
You goin crazy
yes i’m very proud
A quick histo stretch and colour balance brings out some of the dust lanes a bit more
i tried my best to get the satellites and dust lanes
From the background it looks like your phone might not have been perfectly lined up (orthogonal) to the eyepiece.
I found 2 things helped this; a sturdy adapter (or tightening the screws on your current one), and checking the alignment inside against a pure white area of wall, e.g. if you see dark rings try changing alignment or distance from the eyepiece
it's fixable...if someone has Photoshop he can easily fix this... unfortunately I don't but I have found a very helpful video explaining how to do it
yeah you’re right, it’s hard to get it perfect
unfortunately my adapter is a cheap one that came with the scope, i can’t adjust the distance from the eye piece
i do check the alignment facing something bright but when i screw on the eyepiece it probably messes it up a little
here are some basic siril functions that will help you: Color Calibration, DBE, crop down till non coma effected stars, run green noise removal
what does coma mean
1
two
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@potent gorge your messages can get very wild sometimes 😂😂😂
first
the Carina nebula
then
this
Mysterious curved artifact photobombs my image
Hello winter sky, been a while
finally got out to a bortle 3-4 from my bortle 7
specs:
Samsung S22 Ultra (wide, 10min and 7min exposure times respectively)
Some Cheap 5$ Chinese Phone Tripod
Adobe Lightroom (just for on the go)
My solar filter arrived yesterday and i got some crummy pictures of the sun with my iphone 7 + powerseeker 70az
Wish i could capture what my eyes see 😢
welcome to astrobiscut boy
Yes
@atomic rampart @simple crow are my boys I fw them 24/7
onb
buzz
is that the Orion nebula in the background ??
What does dithering do?
BUZZ
It's jupiter
are you sure it looks like a nebula
Yeah it definitely is, its just way brighter than all the stars so it's way over exposed and the shape is just because phone camera probably
Orion is in this one though
In the bottom right
damn that's amazing!!!
oh ok 😅😅😅
And widefield
How?!?
What about my ring
that means you need to bring the phone farther from the eyepeice, or closer both can happen
my adapter doesn’t allows that
lol
don’t laugh 😭
i mean mine doesnt either i just tilt the phone up while it is inside the adapter
iPhones suck 🤮🤮🤮🤮
😆😆😆
it’s not like i’m choosing my phones for which is best at astrophotography though
it just happens to be the only camera i have on me
yeah I know...no one does...
if anyone did
he would be crazy
oh shoot...that's unfortunate
but just saying
iPhones suck
👍
generally
you are some type of cult
that do dark magic
😭
i agree with you, my battery drains even if i’m not using it
yeah...that's a known problem with the 11 series...but I have to admit...your phone (at least my friend's) has super smooth performance
it's like cutting through butter with a knife
it’s actually my sister’s phone, i have an iphone se (which can’t even do long exposures)
iPhone se can't take long exposure shots??? then why does it cost that much??? Every phone in this price range can take long exposures
it’s like $150 on amazon
For a single image lower the exposure time, lower the ISO and check the focus is sharp 👌
Lucky imaging and stacking many images from a video is how you see those amazingly detailed shots
pipp, autostakkert!3, and registax to edit the stacked picture
Ok
yeah astrosurface is pretty reliable since you can do the stack and processing in the same program
😂 🤦♂️ Apologies just saw that - have a bad connection and a sometimes messages don’t load
Any help ?
I have a 1 minute video that I am trying to use pipp to change to avi but it keeps failing
Any help plz?
are you using pipp (nvm i see you just said that)
if it’s still not working then you probably don’t have enough space
i had the same issue and it was i was out of space
I don't believe I'm out of space ....
Either way, I'll try to store it on my hard drive
what file type is the video
It worked on hard drive
Just for fun I tried stacking you video but the pic isn't very good
@vale wren I don't have a very good telescope tbh, and the photo I sent just now is my 1 min stacked photo
okie
It isn't great is it 🤣
don't be discouraged, almost everyone's first pictures looked like this or worse. When I tried to take a picture of Jupiter with my 60mm powerseeker and smartphone, it was much worse than yours
i mean there isn’t much you can do with a phone camera
yeah, you can get a planetary camera for around $100 and get something like this that I took
damn...which camera do you have ??
sv205??
it looks really really good for a 100 dollar camera
which telescope/eyepiece did you use?
orion starblast 4.5eq, plossl 25mm that came with it
ZWO ASI 120MC-S planetary cam
My gear is in my bio
both on a skymax 127 mak with a 10mm eyepiece and a s20 phone
damn...I have a cat too that every time he wants to achieve something or get something from me he goes into the telescope box and he scratches it...cats are genius
yo...
big rip
🔭 🟰 🪦
I bought mine from @sly bloom because he was upgrading. I think they discontinued it, but you can buy one used on ebay or marketplace I think
I'll give it a try...it's really a pity they discontinued the cameras
🫤🫤
I see one on ebay for $150, but you may be able to get one cheaper
yeah I'll see...unless it's in China or EU eBay isn't really a thing for me...because otherwise I have to pay some 24% of the product's price
oh
I'm thinking about saving up for the brand new model asi678mc
it has 4k at 47 FPS ☠️☠️☠️
low read noise
low temperatures
starvis 2
probably a good call
its a hexagon lol
the company says the shape of the camera is beneficial to its performance
are you kidding?? you must have the best 100 dollar camera on the market...
its not that bad, it just means I have to take a longer video to get as many frames as you
I wish I could have your camera
you see
I don't want to spend too much money
you are super lucky
same lol
I am saving up for a DSO rig rn
yeah...actually from my experience with a smartphone...30fps is pretty reasonable
do you know about the seestar S50??
smartphones are lowkey kinda garbo
no
well...have you seen what pictures @iron bear can take ??
damn
wait right here
In this review I tested a first production version of the Seestar S50 Smart Telescope. I'll show you how to setup the SEESTAR S50 APP, how to image the Sun, the Moon, and Deep Sky Objects with this telescope, and other stuff the SEESTAR APP has to offer like an impressive virtual sky atlas and a whole community tab for seestar users. It's an imp...
with his smartphone??
it's crazy
also the Stellina robot scope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znAhp0Upanw
Astrobiscuit takes on Stellina the robot in a Deep Space astrophotography shoot out.
Full Stellina Review: https://www.astrobiscuit.com/stellina-review
Check out Aastrobiscuit's awesome Stellina Inspired Travel Rig: https://www.astrobiscuit.com/cheap-and-powerful-travel-rig
You can buy Stellina here:
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UK & EU: ...
wholly moly I know that scope!!!
it's super expensive
yeah
the seestar costs 500
a robot is cool and all but there's nothing like doing it yourself 👍
actually...that's true
I don't want to argue but in my opinion the dwarf 2 could beat it if the beta software included
dude the seestar firstly has a bigger aperture, inbuilt filters, better software and ITS STILL VERY VERY NEW!!! ITS STILL IN ITS VERY EARLY STAGES!!! Just imagine what it will be able to achieve in a few years
the seestar is only available for preorder
that means that there is still some work left
Both scopes are amazing 
I'm going to be going for a seestar because it works perfectly for my lifestyle, just gotta convince the wife to let me keep my order once they tell me it's in stock 
What happened here ?
I would not buy. The s50 uses a 250mm lens with an asi 462... Smaller sensor than a cell phone. Low quality
Just get a real telescope and not let a robot do all the work, where's the fun in that?
@iron bear @edgy talon sorry but, if a little robot telescope can give me this while I use my own telescope to view the planets and show others Jupiter's moons etc, I am extremely happy! I don't need to spend thousands of dollars on expensive equipment this way
Dude if they're gonna make you pay for their robo-scope they could of atleast denoised it
they will remove moving noise...I read it from a dude in a forum that complained about the noise...the seestar is still very young and the app definitely needs some updating in the future
Dude if it can't even dither don't get it
Yeah there are some complaints right now in ZWO's main forum
You shouldn't be complaining about walking noise with a fully automated scope
They say they can fix it...idk I want to trust ZWO
the only MAJOR problem is that thing in the corners, which unfortunately can't be fixed unless they change the mount
it's because it's an ALT-AZ and not an eq
but I get it...an eq would be pricier
I remembered
it's called field rotation
and because all ALT-AZ mounts can't track objects with amazing accuracy, this is what we get 🫤🫤🫤
this is the only real edge that the dwarf 2 has over the seestar
Get a real scope with more aperture and get details
I have the Heritage 130p and I'll probably buy a cheap eq mount and a goto system if I actually find one 🫤🫤🫤🫤
Onstepped cg-4
isn't this model only compatible with one scope ?? That's where I get confused
No
Not so sure when it comes to onstep
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Here is the dwarf 2 dumbell btw
They are fixing the noise issue
damn and thought seestar had way too much noise 😂😂
how much time is this??
I guess it's less than an hour
that could be why it has so much noise
The new software makes it soo much better
hmmmm...actually now this could be a threat for seestar
it looks pretty decent
low noise
but I can't really see much detail on the nebula...but that's because of the small aperture
Yeah
its trailed
atleast this doesnt have as much halos
My first shot of the Orion nebula! Smartphone on 8" dob single 2 second sub 3200 ISO. Also the moon through same scope with phone
cmon it was a bad night
compression makes it sooo bad
Yes but you can incline and it becomes eq
Honestly, it's a useless thing. It is cheaper to buy a camera with a lens and a cheap tracker.
how did u get 55s in single image?
My first go at the Ring Nebula
8" Dob, mobile phone!
I also got my best Orion nebula shots
I can only get 32 seconds
Xiaomi on top 👆
From public binoculars
Bro i love ring nebula
So little so silly
Hyades cluster
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There is no signal in the photo. It's just artificially masked
what’s that mean
so it’s fake
The photo is real. He just shouldn't have caught the barnard loop or the horsehead.
i see
I will screen record in a few hours
Please do DBE
I know... He must have done it. Because it doesn't make sense to have the emissions signal when the background is full of noise and there is no signal.
bortle scale?
that is good
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pOE3NgnIQAiXlz1pLt62gqg9ENxED7tn/view?usp=sharing uncut screen recording to prove that I don't fake data
@iron bear @potent gorge @edgy talon @smoky scaffold @terse smelt @plush palm
this is the "artificial masking"
!!!This is not a finished process because I don't stop there. I would normally do better because as you can see The Orion nebula is overexposed. I would also fix the colors and denoise!!!
Also the stars here are poorly processed
Dude who actually cares
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video is still processing
you can download it
me
it really isn't but the loop is there which most people don't seem to agree with
good thing that worked
Phones naturally have a really low f-stop (around 1.4)
I have done way better with this phone
You should be able to get the loop with enough int time, well done especially with broadband
yeah I'm going to process about a total of more than 2hours in a moment
Yeah man go for it
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thanks
With my 6" flextube dob and my phone
DBE? What does that mean?
B 6
background extraction
cool pics you got from b6
from last night
Probably yes. Uses the same sensor as my old mi9T
I was doing some experiments with data from a friend in order to compare the noise of a modern cell phone vs DSLR.
Firt pic: Xiaomi 12, 60s iso 400 + 120mm guide scope F4
2: Qhy 294mc at ambient temperature. 180s gain 100 + 50mm lens f4
3: Canon 60d, 180s iso 800 + 50mm f4 lens
He ended up not taking a photo with the 294 refrigerated, but probably refrigerated it will be much better than the cell phone since the noise from the 294 at -10 reduces a lot
damn...what mount do you use ?
I remember you use the Toya 114/900 telescope, your phone and an on step goto system
Mine is an eq3 mod. But my friend's it´s an Exos 2
exos is an excellent mount...how can you do all this stuff
it looks so good
I can't understand
you are magician
Not in raw...
well...it's not actually raw...it's dng
that's why it's so bad
the noise
yeah but its close enough to raw
why can't we just be able to take raw images ??
first result
Dng is just the raw format. Each type of camera has its own. Canon is Cr2, dedicated uses Fits, Fujifilm uses RAF. In the end it's all the same
but why do they say that Fits is the best ??
probably
Color depth and dynamic range.
The noise appears with raw... It disappears with jpeg.
Samsung can't use it as a parameter. Reduces noise even from their raw
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If you use deepskycamera it does not reduce the noise. However, when using the deepskycamera, the Samsung sensors make a lot of noise. Samsung sensors are not efficient for astrophotography in general
but you can use them
The best cell phones for astrophotography that Samsung has, coincidentally (or not) use Sony sensors.
lol
wonder if its possible to get disks of the gallelien moons with a phone
completely pointless, but would be funny
I have the redmi note 10 pro, using an HM2 sensor
is it gonna be that bad??
it has pretty low noise
the planetary and lunar photos and videos look pretty good
idk for DSO though
I haven't really tried since I live in a freaking 9 Bortle city
i dunno just see if its terrible
Interesting and impressive.
Does your Xaomi have a binned sensor? Imagine that really helps noise reduction.
I wonder what the impact of the RAW converter is too. I know for iOS devices that as well as the standard noise-related DNG tags (NoiseProfile, BaselineNoise, etc) they have public and secret image metadata tags with noise reduction methods modelled per image. These only work if using an Apple implemented RAW converter.
I don’t have any experience with Android but suspect some of the OEMs might have some magic denoise tools that are device specific.
Yep! 50mp with 12.5 output.
Similar to Bin 2 of the asi294mm.
I don't think it has noise reduction. It would be easily noticeable in the stacking... I calibrate the dark frames with cosmetic correction and the noise corresponds perfectly... If there was noise reduction, I believe it would be more intense in the dark. Therefore, it would not work perfectly with pixinsight's cosmetic correction.
Wow nice!
Yes I doubt Xaoimi do anything to the raw data itself. And if you are using pixinsight for raw conversion it won’t have access to the custom devise processing.
Sounds like it’s just a solid camera 👏
If I didn't have problems with the field being distorted by the eyepiece, I would continue taking photos with just my cell phone. But I want to take advantage of 100% of the field of my telescope
Yes, that is a major limitation of afocal. Not sure I’ve ever heard any good approaches to this, except night-vision but that seems a bit different.
Yall, my friend have an iPhone and he needs an astronomy camera app, is there any good recommendations?
Astrophotography on a smartphone is good until you open it on a computer with a good monitor
I process my astrophotographs on a 24-inch 2.5k monitor. Cell phone astrophotography is good if you know how to process it.
Currently there are several cameras with sensors the same size as cell phone sensors. The 585 and 533 for example...
No matter what sensor the smartphone has, it will still be outperformed by the old Canon 550d for $60
There will be a lot of detail on objects, but there will not be good resolution
You lose image quality due to the additional number of lenses
Are you sure about that?
Yes
.
A cheap DSLR has more noise than signal.
More total exposure - less noise
Don't you think it's a bit humiliating that a 500 dollar DSLR picks up less signal with twice the exposure time than a cell phone? I would add some more and get an asi 294.
Canon 1000da
What's the point of having less noise if the photo quality itself is crap?
On a smartphone there is indeed less noise and it is possible to get a lot of detail with a short shutter speed, but this has so many other disadvantages.
The only disadvantage is having to use eyepieces.
Phone + eyepiece 
Really? Processing photos from an eyepiece is a very complex process that requires extensive experience and knowledge of the processing program. Crooked background, stretched stars, vignetting - this is about the eyepieces. But there is such a layer of people in society, their name is masochists.
Blur x terminator + DBE already solves these problems you mentioned.
You just need to know how to process it. I process images from asi 294, 2600 etc for a long time with friends. I only apply what I know to my photos with my cell phone.
I just saturated and calibrated with photometric color calibration...
For the cost of an expensive eyepiece and phone, I’d rather buy a DSLR)
There will still be money left over for a coma corrector)
Yes, I can. But why would I buy a DSLR instead of a dedicated camera when the cell phone will already have satisfactory performance? It's worth waiting a little longer and buying a dedicated one straight away.
Generally, those who take photos with their cell phones use what they have in their pocket and don't buy one. It doesn't make sense to add the cost of the cell phone to the bill as the cell phone is not used solely and exclusively for astrophotography. Regarding eyepieces, mine didn't even cost 30 dollars.
To fix image problems you need to use expensive software
Exactly... And you're going to spend 500 dollars on a camera instead of continuing to take photos with your cell phone and saving up until you buy a dedicated one.
The same ones that most astrophotographers use.
I have not seen a pirated version of Pixinsight, only if the versions are very old.
This is where many get frustrated... They think that with a DSLR they will get much better quality and in the end they end up not being able to do so due to other limitations. Anyway, (I) prefer not to spend that money on a DSLR if my cell phone is used for astrophotography and save it until I buy a dedicated camera. And that's what I'm doing. I know it's difficult, I'm young too. If it were easy, I would have gotten a dedicated one a long time ago.
You can process my m42 photo if you want. Its 40min in bortle 7-8 with redmi note 7 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dm7YeWH_gV6OVb837WhCxeqZzYmG6PIr/view?usp=drive_link
I’m interested in your level of photo processing with good software
But then the context is different... It's not the same thing as someone who has been doing astrophotography for a long time with a cell phone. In this case, it might be worth going for a DSLR before getting a dedicated one. I'm talking about those who already have more experience in the hobby and who use their cell phones.
If your friend is up for testing a live stacking app, I’m working on one called AstroShader. It’s free and currently in public beta testing (still a few issues/bugs being worked through though)
Finally get to see the moon for the first time in a while and thick fog says hello
noisy single shot of jupiter handheld up to the eyepiece
Tracked?
I have no idea how to use pipp, AS!3 or photoshop but I'm damm happy with that
Took about 3hrs to convert on pipp and to stack on AS!3 (it weren't even 5min of recording but nearly 20k frames apparently lol) but I'm damm impressed
Device? And how many frames?
Wow, jt's really good! I tried 1300 frames with S23 Ultra at 10x build in camera
Yes, sadly 10x camera have only 10Mpx. I captured 1300 raw frames and stacked by Siril and also cropped by Siril.
I didn't use
Bcs it's native on Linux 😅
Ahh the Linux limits lol
I would suggest maybe finding a cheap Windows desktop pc (mine cost £50)
It got me this with a s20 phone
Yeah I was messing around in Ps, trying to teach myself haha
Working 😡
I work nights
Yep
And the annoying thing.... my new astro camera turned up today lol
Mars C-ii
I got a laptop to use it with so trying to download nina and that
Yeah all I need now is a better telescope lol
It should be good for planetary of course but I want the dso's lol
Eventually I'll probably get a decent telescope but not this side of Xmas lol
Looks like ganymede wen u mirror the moon like that:D
yeah that’s what i was thinking
it's a bit oversharpened in my opinion
if you want to sharpen your image better use Astrosurface
I was more playing around on PS but I will look into that program
Lol it does now you mention it
:D
Hopefully my new astro camera I got today will make it better
Shesh
if any of you guys use an iphone i highly suggest using astroshader
Stretch it
What's that?
Put it into siril and autostretch
Jupiter, I took it with a 6" dobsonian and my phone
Do you have a barlow lense?
Yeah
I’m using a 2x barlow lense and a 12.5mm eyepiece.
Next time I’ll probably try it with a 6mm eyepiece

What barlow?
10mm lens on a poor quality (replacing soon) phone adapter. Also planning to get a usable barlow.
The only time I've ever been able to see the bands visually.
2x
Brand?
Really cool. Since this is the a phone channel, may I ask what camera settings you had used?
Orion
Redmi note 7
6mm, 2x barlow
SW 130pds
sw eq3-2 onstep
Autostakkert, registax
The quality of detail in Jupiter's atmosphere will be amazing. With my 130pds i can clearly see some details in the atmosphere, and with 400mm there will be an excellent view in general
Milky way, 10 min exposure, used google snapseed, pixel 6a, second one is my andromeda galaxy with same phone
is that the milky way going across this line or just weird noise
orange star in the center is betelgeuse
Flats. Now.
It is very noisy milk
@edgy talon how do i take those with a phone?
Find exposure that's at 1/3 - 1/2 the histogram
Use same iso
My first photos of the sun with my iPhone 13 and Celestron 50mm travel scope +solar filter
no filter?
Please tell me you used a filter 
doesn’t look like it 💀
it looks like no filter for me
RIP phone camera
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hopefully he didn't look through the scope or finderscope 💀
hopefully.
I used a filter
That would not have gone well 😅
Thats nice:D
Best I could get for tonight
what equipment r u using