Planetary Imaging

[quick cairn]

wdym

how do you do that

by the way this one isnt better than the shadow right?

I feel like the shadow will get me more votes

I think this one in processing looks the best, however, the shadow will add likes I’m sure

[flint siren]

This one has nicer sharpness

Better SNR, i'd vote for this one personnaly

[low oar]

Just mask it

Photopea is the website Photoshop I think

[livid sierra]

GIMP can do it too.

[low oar]

^

[marsh elbow]

plus Affinity i think

[livid sierra]

Basically any image manipulation software out there.

[low oar]

lol

[teal sandal]

https://youtu.be/nFZkVDJnn14?si=HXT4kuC8htH6Hqlr

the SSD refine brute force bla bla feature seems very useful

[rain mauve]

: D

i think this is my fav shot right now

[low oar]

Nice!

[rain mauve]

Thanks!

[woven tundra]

🔥

[brazen moth]

@sharp ridge This is data from you from a few years ago (posted in the share data forum). If I stretch the wavelets I see the same artifacts. So I think either my wavelets algo is wrong. Or this is just how wavelets work sadly?

[sharp ridge]

Its probably your wavelets then

If I do other wavelet software there isnt an issue

Or even with decon in your app

[brazen moth]

Yeah fair, I also see it with unsharp mask btw. Could you also please send me the data of the stack you tried where it turned grayscale and debayer artifacts? I think maybe one debayer path is wrong.

[brazen moth]

Wow what an amazing and feature full tool this is! Does it have sharpening of jupiter stacks? Cannot find it yet.

[sharp ridge]

Im not sure if I understand which stack

Like the jupiter one?

[sharp ridge]

Like the SER of this

[brazen moth]

This one, but this is a different Ken I see now :-D. #1019937457095065731 message

[quick cairn]

@flint siren after looking at the APOD for today, tom has mentioned trying Jupiters rings with the 24” before. Do you think he used the same methods as Uranus with like 0.3 second subs and all that? In inferred?

[flint siren]

I'm sure he tried with a CH4 filter with longer exposures than 1 sec.

I think it would be interesting to try using large EQ scope with a z band filter, using very long exposures.

[quick cairn]

What’s a z band?

[flint siren]

(Google is your friend too)

[quick cairn]

Like a C14?

Or bigger

[flint siren]

Bigger preferably

[quick cairn]

Do you think he stacked the stacks? Ignoring the surface just for the angle the rings should be?

[flint siren]

I have no idea

[woven kite]

is my file type the problem? (4k .mp4) looks like this with both 3x and 5x barlow. sct was left outside 3 hours for cooldown and collimated with 3x barlow

jupiter on a 114 newt with the same camera (90d) i dont know what im doing wronghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019937457095065731/1447102770971934852/126jupitar.png?ex=696e6eba&is=696d1d3a&hm=96207bdc47bcf22395d52e2c62d2fefa229a0df48be67bd2c66cf17cbfc07d7c&

[quick cairn]

You are doing well

[woven kite]

definitely had higher expectations with an 8' though

could be seeing

i keep doxxing my name

tried another program for sharpening

[quick cairn]

To be honest it kinda looks like bad sampling

Unless that’s a phone camera

[woven kite]

hrrmm

this is my old scope

this is the same sensor recorded on a 600mm focal length lens, my single shots look clearer than this

[flint siren]

Reprocessing of data from the 28th.

[woven kite]

doing some trial and error (in order: native 2000mm 4k crop, 3x barlow regular 4k, 3x barlow 4k crop)

[quick cairn]

I’ll tell you now. Trial and error is always good but there are general rules to follow for sampling. Tell me your F/ratio without a Barlow and your cameras pixel size

[flint siren]

Process of some old eclipse data

[graceful creek]

rainbow!!

at edge

[flint siren]

rainbow

[graceful creek]

if i stay on blue area will i see blue

[flint siren]

The blue band shouldn't be that big

[low oar]

🤷‍♂️

Just the data I got

[flint siren]

Final edit, probably

[woven kite]

f/10 3.23

[olive saddle]

The second image looks best to me, most detail of the three

[woven kite]

i feel like the sweet spot would be a 2x barlow

[silent mesa]

How do I tell If I have poor collimation or bad focus

[main flume]

poor collimation causes everything to have a "tail" of sorts

bad focus / seeing will have a more even blur

[main flume]

(blurry in a lump, usually a small unblury side)

[silent mesa]

Ok

[woven kite]

i found the sweet spot!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[woven kite]

pretty happy i found the right settings before a week of clouds

[sand umbra]

My 210mm is fairly small but I’m wondering what should I do for the upcoming lunar eclipse

Should I get the skywatcher star adventure or get a better lens?

[quick cairn]

The rule is you want the F/ratio to be 6 times the pixel size. So 3.23 x 6 =19.38, so a 2x Barlow would be perfect for you. Or a 1.5 x and an ADC.

[quick cairn]

What size scope?

[woven kite]

good to know. ill eventually upgrade to a planetary cam but for now im gonna stick with the dslr for a bit

[woven kite]

8" sct

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695299763553173656/1463378395604975698/20260120_201033.jpg?ex=69719cd5&is=69704b55&hm=61674218d093fc4783df07ea13538bc494bbef80b422d2ac8e212b404b5710fb&

it looks like a trash can when insulated xd

[main flume]

wat theee haaaeeeel

[woven kite]

i plan on 3d printing a cat cooler that works like the lymax one (130 dollars less)

[woven kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220080516909498408/1430446112921354341/attachment.gif

[main flume]

you gunna cool it with a cat????

[woven kite]

yaaarp

[brazen moth]

Collimating!

Remember these weird moiré artifacts in Eise? Well, it's because 16bit stacking is BETTER!

[low oar]

Looks better

[quick cairn]

Good job dude

[main flume]

16 bit lowk hawt

[low oar]

Very hawt

[woven kite]

being able to do planetary processing in a browser is facinating

i got some sun earlier that im gonna try on there

[brazen moth]

I haven't tested with sun yet. I'm focussed on circular objects in a black surrounding so far.

if the sun fits completely in your field of view it might work

[woven kite]

got some sunspot clusters and half a sun

[brazen moth]

then I think every frame will be detected as: "the planet is touching the sides of the frame, skipping.."

[winter moat]

Here redited animation

[woven kite]

clouds made my data unusable

https://tenor.com/view/demonic-cursed-cat-moving-across-floor-wtf-gif-18793861

[brazen moth]

Looks pretty though!

[brazen moth]

Could you share your sun data? Would love to give it a go :-). Maybe you have without clouds form another day? 😄

[woven kite]

this is the first time i imaged the sun with a scope thats not a seestar. ill share with you when i get new data

https://tenor.com/view/cyriak-cat-slug-kitty-city-gif-13024514

do you prefer tiff or a video?

[silent mesa]

Am I out of collimation

[olive saddle]

depends how big your aperture is tbh, if you're using a small telescope then I'd say definitely not, but bigger and wider aperture, then maybe? Seeing conditions also matter heavily.

why does Jupiter always look green in everyone's unprocessed Jupiter images

[silent mesa]

Is 8 inch considered small

[olive saddle]

8" is like a perfect mid size

it's neither large nor small

[olive saddle]

Assuming the seeing conditions were perfect, this looks like pretty good collimation for an 8" Newtonian or SCT

but how were the seeing conditions?

[silent mesa]

I think they were average

[olive saddle]

Ok, so I'd say you're probably good as far as collimation goes, but it never hurts to test collimation with a Cheshire eyepiece

[silent mesa]

Do you know why that ring can appear?

I did put this through winjuppos

[olive saddle]

Idk tbh, I have no experience with actual dedicated editing software

[summer pebble]

Pretty sure it’s because the bayer pattern on the camera is RGGB, making it collect twice as much green data as compared to the other colors

[olive saddle]

Ohh ok

that makes a lot of sense actually

[woven kite]

saturn with blue sky

i rushed this one during twilight

[sharp ridge]

Nicereeeeee33

[livid sierra]

What are we looking at?

[silent mesa]

That huge ring on the left side of Jupiter

[tired grove]

never seen this much detail in a sun image before

[brazen moth]

Could you share this data? I think it should be possible to get rid of that slight vague blur on the upper side.

[buoyant belfry]

me on the other hand using a phone and a 6 inch newt when jupiter was really low on the horizon and the air quality was Shit asf

[woven kite]

im pretty sure its heat rising from the tube. i thought it was gonna be cloudy so i didnt plan in ahead of time to acclimate. started recording in 10 minutes lol. gimmie one sec

i dont have a drive set up where i can share the video

[marsh elbow]

Yeah most likely

Since i always ignore the put your scope outside for a hour or more rule

And i can even feel the heat rising up

[livid sierra]

That looks like a derotation artefact. Is it derotated?

[woven kite]

this would be soooo nice if it were in focus💔

[woven kite]

try insulation

[silent mesa]

Yeah

[livid sierra]

It's a derotation artefact then. Can't tell collimation from this picture.

[ruby compass]

Thought this wad Venus until i saw the Samsung 😭

[graceful creek]

its venus wdym xD

[winter moat]

derotated jupiter with my 4,3" CCT

[quick cairn]

Really good

[winter moat]

thx btw what telescope do you use ?

[quick cairn]

250p skywatcher

[quick cairn]

Here

[winter moat]

Ahh noice

[sand umbra]

turn hacks off and deal with the atmosphere like a real planetary observer

[quick cairn]

Haha tell Tom first

No forget that, tell Backdoor Astronomy aka Brian Martin

He uses smart sharpen on photoshop

[sand umbra]

We have the same scope or diameter at least I just need the seeing

[quick cairn]

Imaging strategies and processing matter just as much

[sand umbra]

Before I took a break 2 years ago I did pretty good, similar to what you have right now

Now when I got back, of course the weather started being a pain

[low oar]

Ohhhhhhh that makes sense

I’m gonna test that today

I didn’t know that was a option 😭

[livid sierra]

You mean BackdoorAstronomy?

The guy who takes “naked pictures” of the planets?

[livid sierra]

Smart sharpen can be used on data if you do it correctly but Brian Martin’s processing style is not one you should copy.

[low oar]

No I know I’m not a fan of it either I just didn’t know that’s how he went about it and I want to try haha

[low oar]

How does that describe them perfectly 😭

[livid sierra]

I mean @quick cairn where was it even confirmed that Brian Martin uses smart sharpen?

[livid sierra]

Tbh I’m not even sure what it’s supposed to mean.

[flint siren]

I guess it's a term for unblured planets, like without the effects of atmosphere.

[livid sierra]

Right but it’s a weird thing to say, no?

[low oar]

Original process

"naked" process with smart sharpen

[flint siren]

It's dumb, but it's also B Martin

[quick cairn]

My bad yes

Thanks for the correction, Duif

[quick cairn]

Yes he was intelligent enough to process my data and tell me step by step how he did it

[quick cairn]

He told me directly

[livid sierra]

Lol

[livid sierra]

I like the original more tbh. New one has too much sharpening now. Especially the edges are too hard.

[quick cairn]

I’ve never even heard of photoshop smart sharpen until then, but I don’t use photoshop either

[livid sierra]

It’s not magic. B Martin uses it religiously it seems, but always too much.

[quick cairn]

It seems

Has he been around long? I feel he popped out of nowhere this year

(2025)

[livid sierra]

He’s been around and using suspicious processing techniques for a while.

[sharp ridge]

Yeah that's totally real

[quick cairn]

It looks topaz’d to me

[flint siren]

That's because it is.

[winter moat]

Looks interesting but I think that's too crazy too

This is Io with my scope

It's not even round

[livid sierra]

If it isn’t clear his “Ganymede” is basically completely fabricated.

[winter moat]

Yea

[livid sierra]

Barely any of the features actually correspond to the simulation and the ones that do are most likely painted or put in there through other means.

[winter moat]

Does he also have a more natural version of a moon?

[livid sierra]

I doubt it.

[winter moat]

uff

[quick cairn]

I haven’t focused on imaging just the moons yet

[winter moat]

I want to do something like that too

But I need more aperture for that

[quick cairn]

Io hahah

My issue is imaging the moons without oversampling like crazy, they are just pixely

[winter moat]

is still something

Imo

[quick cairn]

Yeah

[winter moat]

So if I want to create more "resolution" I would use resampling

[quick cairn]

There are sorta rules in place for best sampling

My scope with my camera is F/20

[winter moat]

I mean in post processing

[quick cairn]

At F/20 only Ganymede has decent spherical shape

[olive saddle]

oh dear

[quick cairn]

What do you mean? Once the data is there you can’t just make the pixels smaller

[rain mauve]

this is my io...

i shot with f15-f16

114/900mm

[quick cairn]

That’s pretty good

[rain mauve]

crazy excellent seeing when i captured it

[rain mauve]

thanks!

[winter moat]

I mean with Cubic Resampling in Siril and Gimp
I don't necessarily want to show more details somehow, but to make something more out of very few pixels
In the screenshots example, I overdid it a lot

[livid sierra]

This yours?

[quick cairn]

Yes

[livid sierra]

Ganymede looks way too round and smooth.

[quick cairn]

I see

[quick cairn]

My friend reprocessed for me, he masked

[livid sierra]

Did you selectively nuke the denoise?

[quick cairn]

And denoised ganymede

[livid sierra]

Ah so yes.

[quick cairn]

Here is my process

[livid sierra]

At least Ganymede looks less artificial.

[quick cairn]

I knew you could sharpen the planet more but my derotation isn’t perfect so shadow starts having artifacts when I do, I was telling him about it so he offered to mask himself

[quick cairn]

This is true

[quick cairn]

If we did it again would you say Denoise Ganymede a little less?

[livid sierra]

Even when you derotate perfectly shadows will have artefacts, it's a thing that happens because of the way WinJUPOS handles derotation. You will always have to mask that in-post. But that is very easy with a single stack.

[livid sierra]

Yeah way less. Looks very off in your friend's process.

[quick cairn]

Good to know.

Thanks

[livid sierra]

If you struggle with derotation with WinJUPOS a lot and aligning the wireframe, I can recommend a processing software named LuckyStackWorker, created by a Dutch astrophotographer from a forum I'm active on. He implemented derotation functionality a little while ago, and you do not need to align a wireframe like in WinJUPOS. You just provide it your stacks and it will handle derotation, even with moons in transit in most cases. https://youtu.be/zOdWoH1eM54

[quick cairn]

That is very helpful, I would take a shot with it

[livid sierra]

Watch the video to see how it learns and try it for yourself. I'm not a huge fan of its derotation functionality in general because I think the derotated stacks it creates aren't of as good quality as when derotated with WinJUPOS, but I'll appreciate it for the fact it's much easier than with WinJUPOS.

[quick cairn]

Awesome

[low oar]

My Ganymede

Rip compression

[quick cairn]

Not bad at all

Ganymede looks different for me with the void of space behind it vs Jupiter

[winter moat]

uff my seeing is very bad

[quick cairn]

Wow.

[main flume]

ru u sure thats jup and not betleguse?

[ruby compass]

Nearly as good as my best results with my 8"😭

[winter moat]

what setup do you have ? Like Camera Barlow etc

[ruby compass]

Zwo asi 224mc as the camera. Skywatcher classic 200p dob as the scope. Made my own eq plattform for tracking. And I use a celestron 3x lx barlow.

The reason my images are so bad is seeing tho

[flint siren]

[quick cairn]

Seeing is a huge factor but processing and how you image is also big

I’m sure you could do better if you go out often enough and try new strategies

[ruby compass]

Yeah ofc

[quick cairn]

What’s your pixel size?

And focal ratio?

[ruby compass]

My best jupiter rn

[ruby compass]

Hm. I dont really know with the barlow. Its 0.64 without. So prob .22 or smt with?

[ruby compass]

F17

[winter moat]

Yee I had excellent seeing that night

and it was -16C degrees

[winter moat]

Wow nice

[ruby compass]

Yeah

Yes this was when jupiter was at 53°

With ir

😭

[winter moat]

Uff

Looks like through water

[ruby compass]

Yeah😭

[low oar]

Oh my gosh

[ruby compass]

You dont want to know whar mars looked like😭💔

[winter moat]

"The sky is the limit" ;)

[ruby compass]

Unless u have AO 😉

[winter moat]

This is my dream 🙏

[ruby compass]

Fr

[winter moat]

AO would be so cool

[ruby compass]

Yea

[livid sierra]

Pixel size is not affected by Barlow.

[ruby compass]

Oh wait he meant actuall pixelsize

Then 3.75

[quick cairn]

Native local ratio

[ruby compass]

F5.91

[quick cairn]

Like what’s your scopes focal ratio all by itself no Barlow

Okay

And your pixel size is 3.75?

3.75 x 6 =22.5, so you should shoot for your scopes focal ratio with Barlows to be F/22.5 or slightly above, just as close to as possible

I would stay right under because you said your seeing is bad

That gives your imaging the best sampling for your equipment

I would also buy an ADC, they are like 40$

And help a lot

[quick cairn]

I hear they are coming out with some lower end adaptive optics for under 6 figures

Which is a big jump in affordable technology

[quick cairn]

Huhhh pixel size what??

[ruby compass]

3.75

I thought u meant special resolution

[quick cairn]

Oh no lol

How high is Jupiter when you are shooting it

[winter moat]

who is they ?

[quick cairn]

A French company

https://www.imagine-optic.com/products/ciao-adaptive-optics-system-for-telescope-and-space-applications/

[winter moat]

oh interesting

I don't quite understand how this is done on the Telescope

[quick cairn]

Nothing is done on the telescope, inside is a hypersensitive and ultrafast liquid mirror

And it uses a very powerful laser

To adjust the shape of the mirror to counter the seeing conditions

[winter moat]

ok

[quick cairn]

Atleast that’s my understanding

[winter moat]

Sooo Like a prism ?

[quick cairn]

It’s a liquid mirror

[winter moat]

Yee

I would like to see a little more of the interior

But I still have to be patient

But thanks

[quick cairn]

Google is your friend

[winter moat]

Ahh yea

Hehe

[olive saddle]

wow that moon almost looks like a mouse cursor, space is so amazing

[winter moat]

Hehe

Here live Stack Jupiter with my setup and my Barlow

[main flume]

i think u have atmospheric turbulemce btw

[graceful creek]

https://tenor.com/view/wobble-pensive-emoji-pensive-ish-wobblepensive-gif-26167268

[ruby compass]

Prob

[quick cairn]

I was gonna make that joke

[sand umbra]

@somber stratus ever do a Timelapse of the cloud belts moving on Jupiter? Not a rotation but the cloud belts moving while observing/imaging at the same spot spanning different days

I’m planning to do that but I haven’t done any normal imaging and second, Hawai’i weather is a pain

[somber stratus]

I’ve captured it over the span of hours in the same rotation via mapping. It’s slight but there.

Don’t have access to it rn as on vacation away from PC

[sand umbra]

What software do you use for mapping?

[somber stratus]

WinJupos as usual

[quick cairn]

I’m currently trying out this new software Duif suggested for derotating

[sand umbra]

Unless the king himself says, does derotating really help that much? I’ve never been into it and I’ve never seen tom using it. And when people do state that they did use derotation it often looks as if they had their video for more than 3 minutes which leads to cloud belt trailing

[quick cairn]

Yes.

[quick cairn]

That’s not how derotation works

you want to shoot for about 30 minutes of rotation

More than three minutes will lead to auto stacking errors, but not really there are some people that use seven minute videos that do very well

[sand umbra]

Well no I know how it does works but I’m just wondering if it really does help, I was just saying from my experience or from what I saw, derotation leads to an effect that may be similar to having a video sub more than three minutes

I have never heard of stacking errors for subs longer than 3 min so that’s new

[thick heron]

The great thing about derotation is that trying it is free.

[sand umbra]

Only thing is, it’s windows biased and unfortunately I’m a Mac user

[thick heron]

Wine (does it work on Apple Silicon?) or VM.

WIndows won't let you theme without a license. That's about it for limitations.

[sand umbra]

I did try wine but I’m not sure how it went since it was 2 years ago I forgot

I’m picking the hobby up again it’s just the weather I’m waiting on

[thick heron]

Wine 11 runs WinJUPOS well for me on Fedora Linux.

[sand umbra]

I’ll try it, thanks

[brazen moth]

Hi there, I want to work on Moon stacking with Eise today. Does someone perhaps have a moon video available? If it's just 100 frames also fine.

The data in #1021002743080558642 is all dead links

[quick cairn]

It’s pretty frustrating at first so make sure to be patient

[rain mauve]

Jupiter and it's kids

Average seeing

[quick cairn]

Nice bro

[rain mauve]

Thanks!

[sharp ridge]

Im on a trip unfortunately so I cant access em

I would probably have deleted them tho they use a lotta storage

[brazen moth]

Still not there , but getting there. In this case I had the gain way to low during capturing

[low oar]

Nice

[quick cairn]

Awesome work

Looks like it needs to be RGB aligned too

Or ADC

[silent mesa]

If I put a 2x Barlow lens into a ZWO ADC will the magnification increase because of the ADC and if it does what will the resulting magnification be

[quick cairn]

1.1-1.3x

[silent mesa]

This is the magnification produced with both the Barlow and the ADC or just ADC?

[quick cairn]

Just ADC

[quick cairn]

Okay I need a debate ender @somber stratus sorry to bother you while you are on vacation. Besides for Venus nightshade and Uranus rings, is it worth using RAW16 over RAW8 at all for apertures smaller than 16 inches?

[thick heron]

No. Aperture doesn't affect this.

[flint siren]

They just like to bother Tom for no reason at this point.

[candid flare]

Bro just wanted to ping him

[flint siren]

I'm sure that at least Tom, Ethan and i have answered this in the past more than once. To end your "debate", 16 Bits is only useful (in lucky imaging) if you are imaging something faint. For traditionnal imaging, 8 Bits is more than enough.

And aperture is irrelevant here. (??)

[buoyant belfry]

im sorry but there is no way that's thru a 4.3 inch telescope

and also plz use dot for decimal for god's sake

[winter moat]

I had very good seeing, if not the best

[buoyant belfry]

but still there is a thing called diffraction limit😭🙏

[quick cairn]

I searched key words in chat multiple times to no prevail, before asking. and god bless a guy has access to one of the best astrophotographers in the world…

[quick cairn]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[quick cairn]

The very valid reason was that my entire local astronomy club was debating this.

[flint siren]

Bro

[quick cairn]

That’s Ken

[flint siren]

...

[quick cairn]

I was asking Tom

[flint siren]

We're all gonna give you the same answer. And it's not like it's a crazy difficult question that only Tom could answer...

[quick cairn]

I know a lot of people here have great experience, I just really value Tom’s input specifically since he’s working at such a high level.

[flint siren]

Glazing and glazing again

[quick cairn]

Maybe because he deserves it?

[flint siren]

He good yeah

But that's too much

[quick cairn]

Does aperture not matter in this case because the difference in 16 million different colors and 64 million different colors is irelevant?

[flint siren]

Surprising that your entire club had a debate since it's not that difficult of a subject.

[quick cairn]

I’m glad it’s easy for you.

[flint siren]

Aperture is completely irrelevant because more bit deepth is only useful if what you're targeting is dim enough to be ~compressed by your current bit depth. This can be the case with any aperture.

Sorry if my explanations are lousy i'm dead tired.

[quick cairn]

They are valued

[flint siren]

What i meant for the glazing part is that Tom is very good technically, no doubt of that. But y'all (in this server) forget too much that he's working with a 24" and excellent seeing.

Y'all tend to forget the importance of aperture and seeing in planetary.

[winter moat]

Here It's not the same night, but you can take a look at it

[quick cairn]

I don’t forget it, but regardless of the equipment, he has access to. He still gets to experience how the data works. I think I value Ethan’s opinion just as much because he’s been doing it for a very long time.

And I don’t think he sits there and gets things perfect first try he commits his time and energy into the hobby

[flint siren]

That's not what i said.

[quick cairn]

I know

[flint siren]

But just ask the question without ping next time.

[quick cairn]

Alright

[glossy frigate]

How is zis

[quick cairn]

Decent, RGB align

Reminds me of my first Saturn images

[main flume]

its within the limit.

[quick cairn]

I’ll get it a go

Give

[quick cairn]

pixel size?

[quick cairn]

Decent data but I think you are either slightly out of focus or colimation

[quick cairn]

What pixel size and what focal ratio in your scope without barlows, sampling seems way off

yeah i lowkey tried

[winter moat]

i never really use a barlow

[quick cairn]

yeah you dont need to

interesting

[winter moat]

colomation is never perfect

Here is Saturn from summer

[winter moat]

what did you use for editing ?

[quick cairn]

astrosurface its really bad im not amazing at processing

[winter moat]

hmm

i have to try astrosurface too

[main flume]

where u get this?

[winter moat]

https://www.rc-astro.com/mtf-analyzer/

[main flume]

first ever useful rc astro tool!

[winter moat]

hehe

here with astrosurface

[main flume]

fuzzi lil guy

sooo ig the cam i want will be okay even with bad seeing

[winter moat]

3552 ? what sensor is that ?

[main flume]

imx676mm

[winter moat]

ohh nice

@main flume you have a 6" newt ?

[main flume]

ya

[winter moat]

Noice

[quick cairn]

Hey yoships

Or anyone

I don’t know what to say to him

[sand umbra]

Well he’s open to questions I guess, I’m sure he expects them being one of the top planetary imagers

[flint siren]

Seeing difference.

[quick cairn]

he said its the same data

[flint siren]

Oh did not see that i'm dumb

[quick cairn]

Your good

but tbf i dont think reducing has the same effect as imaging in different bits

[flint siren]

I have no idea tbh i'm too tired by i'm sure he did mess up somewhere

[quick cairn]

yep

[flint siren]

Thing is maybe he was recording with a low enough histogram, which thus was affected by the bit deepth reduction.

[quick cairn]

I see

[flint siren]

Whatever, i'm sure he messed up on something.

And i mean, he should've simply compared the stacks with just sharpening, not with more processing. This reduce the bias of comparing differently processed images.

[flint siren]

Yeah i'm sure that the algorithm that reduces the bit depth adds compression in some way or another.

Sorry again if my writing is very lousy

[quick cairn]

@sharp ridge would you recommend purchasing an HO UL16?

It’s much cheaper than a 16” skywatcher and I can build an alt az platform pretty easily with the help of some club friends

Much cheaper than buying the GoTo version that’s 2000$ more

[sharp ridge]

Definitely

Its well designed and built

Light, portable and with a good mirror

[quick cairn]

Did you buy the goto version?

[sharp ridge]

Yes

I wouldn't recommend it too much as it has its quirks

It uses onstep goto

[quick cairn]

gotcha

[sharp ridge]

So you have to align from 0alt north or smth and it doesn't have clutches

[quick cairn]

thats terrible

[main flume]

guyyyyysss, lets say im imaging at the wavelength 1.2um, how much will seeing effect me?

even further hypothetically, if i image at 1.6um, where the atmosphere is ~95% transparent and clouds are almost completely seethrough

do you think only light pollution would matter?

(im looking at swir cams rn)

they look affordable

[glossy frigate]

How's this, jupiter with its storm

Kinda blurry tho

Cus i took it with my phone

Not a planetary camera

[buoyant belfry]

either used a bigger telescope or ur an exceptional planetary photographer

[winter moat]

then I would assume that I exhausted my telescope a lot when it came to resolution

[buoyant belfry]

yeah ur telescope was just spitting resolution

moon and jupiter using 6" and a phone camera

@winter moat here's ur pic with my processing on it and u really did push ur telescope to it's limit

this one looks cooler

[winter moat]

Nice processing

[silent mesa]

Can someone help me understand how I can properly sample according to my seeing

[quick cairn]

Bad - average seeing 5-6x pixel size is F ratio you want, good - excellent seeing do 7x pixel size in F ratio

That’s what I’ve heard

[silent mesa]

If I were to use a Barlow to get 7x pixel size in excellent seeing would my ADC interfere with my magnification on the Barlow?

[buoyant belfry]

i found a heart shaped crater near tyco and since it doesnt have an official name, ill name it "heart of luna" hahaha

[somber stratus]

Only just saw this, but it’s been answered by others. Just ask openly and someone will respond. I’m not the only knowledgeable person here.

[livid sierra]

It’s named actually.

[quick cairn]

How it works is:

native focal length x Barlow magnification x Adc magnification

As Tom has stated depending on some factors the ADC is between 1.1-1.3x Barlow. So yes the ADC affects things

The F ratio can be switched with native focal length to get your active F/ratio

If your scope is F/5, that would be 5 x (Barlow let’s say) 3 x 1.2 = 18 so that’s F/18. For 2.9 micron pixels that’s just under perfect sampling for good seeing conditions.

If your scope is 1200mm native then your effective focal length in this case would be 4320mm

[silent mesa]

When you say the ADC can be between 1.1-1.3x depending on some factors would this include atmospheric conditions?

[woven kite]

unusable

i think the solar filter needs to be acclimated as well

[brazen moth]

Epicooooo

[woven kite]

quality graph looks like an egyptian curse

[winter moat]

Moon

Damn I have newer Moon Stacks

should be edited

[quick cairn]

I am unsure.

Does anyone have any plans to shoot the Artemis?

[ruby compass]

insanely sharp jupiter with calisto transit. (calisto resolved?)

feel like this is pretty good for an 8"

quite insane liveview

calisto easily resolved during transit

[main flume]

shiggy wiggy

[buoyant belfry]

noooooooooo

[rain mauve]

40 panels mosaic

[winter moat]

beautiful

[rain mauve]

thanks

[quick cairn]

Real file name

[marsh elbow]

WOW

[quick cairn]

Don’t add fake stars

But looks good, how did you make it?

[rain mauve]

It's not fake stars..

I overlay them using my starmask

[rain mauve]

I Photoshoped them xD

[low oar]

Can I give some tips?

[rain mauve]

Yes yes I'm open to feedback!

[rain mauve]

Feedback appreciated!

I'm noticing a lot of ghosting panels through my images because umm the seeing wasn't that great and yet I try to push it using 2x Barlow

[low oar]

alirght

1. its best not to loose your detail in sharpening, so i would apply a lot more noise reduction or shapren a lot less
2. do your best do blend each pannel so it matches the one next to it to overall you have a nice blend
3. when adding a earthshine make sure to darken the craters on the lit part or mask all the way down to the craters so you dont have the chunks leaking into the earth shine
4. when adding glow make sure you feather the edge of the moon do make it blend seemlessly from moon to glow

ill give you an example of one of my better ones

also make sure when your shooting to properly expose the dark areas near the terminator, idk if this was the case but it looks to me that it was really dark and you tried to manually expose it to match the overall look which ended up actually just bringing out a lot of noice and artifacts near the terminator

[rain mauve]

I was about to ask this image, and how did you sharpen it so well yet the highlight didn't blow up?
I saw your caption on instagram, you blend this umm like 3 days moon phases and then blend it together?

[low oar]

the glow i added on the image above could be better btw so dont use that totally as a reference

[low oar]

well forget the image blending part lol

here

here is the base image

[low oar]

thats not a processing thing, thats making sure your expure is perfect before capturing your images

[rain mauve]

I did 1/4 of histogram? Is that really dark?

[rain mauve]

Ahhh I seee.....

[low oar]

like 25%?

i mean

[rain mauve]

Yeahh

[low oar]

it all just depends on what phase and what part your shooting

i couldnt say for sure

but that sounds dark lol

[rain mauve]

No wonder autostakkert doesn't wanna stack my frames, I found it inconsistent...

It has like jump stuttering frames, and make my images looks like ghosting image

[rain mauve]

The point number 3 that I haven't get it yet, you mean the crater like in this part? Wait

[low oar]

yea i mean if its do dark it will have a hard time putting things together, i mean imagine trying to put a 1,000 piece puzzle together with your eyes closed

[rain mauve]

you mean this part?

[low oar]

yea

i like to mask down to the craters

then drop it over the full moon

[rain mauve]

yea i like the idea

so it gives the contrast..

[low oar]

cuz then this will look cleaner

[rain mauve]

yeah i forgot to do this lol, the edges has some like black lines

[low oar]

i mean its a really good image and you got your principles right just need to exicute thats all

ye

[rain mauve]

ahh noted

any feedback you want to give also?

[low oar]

i mean i think thats all haha

ive been mosaicing full moons more as of recent but this year i plan to do a lot more with the terminator, full moons are easier to image anyway lol

[rain mauve]

oh yeah 1 more, when capturing i need to change the settings also? like when its first quarter phase the bright side definetly bright so i need to tune down the exposure? and the near terminator i need to bring up the exposure/gain? is that how it works?

i did like 1 settings for every area

dont care if its dark or bright

lol

[low oar]

yea just balance it to where you get even data

i usually make it where i dont blow out the bright details

cuz you cant get those back lol

because when you want to make them bright, then you still have them

[rain mauve]

ahhhh i see now...

[low oar]

see its bright but still detail

[rain mauve]

im doing this untracked so its a little bit difficult for me xD

[low oar]

naw i get it

i had to do untracked for a long time too

its how i started

[rain mauve]

its kind of annoying when you think you had your video/ser files completed and when you want to stitch them theres a hole in the middle

[low oar]

yea

just gotta double check

[winter moat]

WOW i love this image :D

[low oar]

oh thank you

i tried my best to capture it in a way that is identical to what your eye sees on a full mooon night

[winter moat]

yeeee

[low oar]

that was the corn moon of 2025

[rain mauve]

i found doing mosaic full moon its a bit hard, idk i think when i nail the focus, its just look unfocused to me xD

compared to the other moon phases from waxing/wanning crescent to the first/last quarter

[low oar]

make sure your collimated

full moons can often look washed out

[rain mauve]

yep double check it, it has no problem with collimation

[low oar]

gotta be pricice focu cuz theres no shadows

focus

[rain mauve]

ahhhh no wonder...

[winter moat]

here is my last mosaic

[low oar]

niceeeee

the files of my full moon ones are too big for here

[rain mauve]

this is mine with 13 panels with no barlow xD

[low oar]

dang

this was the full moon last month

2026

[low oar]

nice

[winter moat]

looks good

[rain mauve]

damn looks so good

[winter moat]

did you manipulate the resolution ?

[low oar]

naw

[winter moat]

ore used drizzel ?

[low oar]

no

thats native

[winter moat]

ahh ok

[low oar]

only like 30-40 panels

[winter moat]

i think i used 13 panels

[winter moat]

noice

[low oar]

this is probably my best

the base without the glow looks much better but the file is to big

[rain mauve]

did you feather the edges also? so the edges looks bright?

[winter moat]

Very bad colomation

[low oar]

out of focus?

ahhh

[low oar]

???

[rain mauve]

sorry i was replying to the glow part of the moon image

[low oar]

wdym

[rain mauve]

this part

it looks so dark in my base image

[low oar]

oh

thats not the base image

[winter moat]

naah only 10 panels

[rain mauve]

i have to do a little bit masking on the edges on the moon

so it would looks brighter but imo its not that really good...

i mean like this part

it has like smooth gradient between the over exposure one into the center

[low oar]

Yea you just gotta add that

[rain mauve]

i see..

alright

thank you ken for giving me tips! i appriciated it alot

i will do it next time

[low oar]

Yep

[woven kite]

tycho

[woven kite]

i love shooting during the day

[woven kite]

what is this ring? is this caused by barlow?

[summer pebble]

Anyone try recreating voyager’s “blue movie”?

[thick heron]

https://youtu.be/x1W_Ux_jgaE?si=lTcwRIX0EzyTh_LB

https://youtu.be/YZc1Y662jtk?si=7iUYlYDVbSPieWOa

[dark cargo]

I think so, could try flocking the inside of the barlow tube to try and improve that a bit. Might just be light reflecting off the lens itself.

[woven kite]

o good idea

i just checked and the inside is pretty reflective

might be barlow quality too

i paid $30 for it

[dark cargo]

Probably, I had a cheap svbony barlow which I flocked and it did seem to help a lot.

On the countarary my celestron xcel 3x is much worse at reflections than that one.... Might be due to degraded coatings or something.

[quick cairn]

This is amazing, Ethan. Never seen it before! Thanks for Sharing!

[summer pebble]

Dang both of these videos are amazing

[ruby compass]

i think i imaged all three lol

[ruby compass]

wait nvm this was 7 months ago

[ruby compass]

could someone derotate? my winjupos is broken atm

[livid sierra]

Have you tried reinstalling?

[ruby compass]

no but @winter moat did it so its fine 🙂

[woven kite]

experimenting with a $16 5x barlow

this gives me ~10000mm focal length

[quick cairn]

Anyone imaged Saturn recently?

I did in poor seeing few moments ago

[woven kite]

bad seeing third time with saturn i didnt bother shooting

attempt with iss tonight

[cold torrent]

Does anyone know why can't I share my images in this channel?

[quick cairn]

You need image perms ask but don’t ping

[winter moat]

nice

[quick cairn]

Thanks

[rain mauve]

Awesome mann

[brazen moth]

Was this wobble because of bad seeing or were you dancing next to the mount?

[woven kite]

manually slewing

[brazen moth]

Are there any youtubers in this channel? I'd like to have a video explanation / review for Eise.app, but I'm not that type of guy myself. Do you know somebody who is on this Discord? I'm not (yet) familiar with all the cool peoples.

[candid flare]

i dont think any of them know it exists

[livid sierra]

You’re in the Discord server of a Youtuber.

[brazen moth]

Haha yes, but Rory never reviews or explains software as far as I know 😄

[brazen moth]

What do you mean? The youtubers who are on this Discord, they don't know Eise exists? That's I think my point. Who are those people, and do you think I can send them a msg to ask this request?

[candid flare]

You can ask deep space astro

Hes got his own server

He covers lots of tutorials but primarily on siril. Worth asking him

[candid flare]

https://discord.gg/UgsrhjpDr

[buoyant belfry]

(the collimation was't perfect tho)
time lapse of jupter captured using a phone camera and a 6"

[quick cairn]

Hey Ethan, have you ever detected the entire enke gap? I was looking through your Instagram, super amazing your work.

[thick heron]

No. 1 meter aperture can barely do it, but it doesn’t take much turbulence to lose it. https://www.damianpeach.com/picdumidi2017.htm

[quick cairn]

Wow! Thats for sharing link!

[graceful creek]

can we go higher

so no atmosphere

[low oar]

Didn’t Tom get it this year?

[winter moat]

here first wide field animation of jupiter

Unfortunately, there were high clouds in the game

That's why the brightness fluctuates

[quick cairn]

Mean entire thing

As in full circle

[low oar]

Ahhh I gotcha

[winter moat]

here with more saturation

[silent mesa]

Can someone help me explain why my derotation turned like this

The moon

[candid flare]

aliens.

[silent mesa]

Spooky

[low oar]

It just happens sometimes, just pull the moon from one of your stacks and replace it where it should go

[quick cairn]

You need to manually align every frame not “auto align”

Also click options at the top and click moon processing and click 1 pixel

[woven kite]

iss attempt 2 with a 3x barlow

[buoyant belfry]

imagine spending hours processing just to get 3 thumbs ups

[main flume]

it shimmy

[woven kite]

the yoinky sploink

[quick cairn]

Honestly no Barlow is gonna be better for this

[winter moat]

Moon at dusk

[silent mesa]

Excellent seeing

[woven kite]

iso 12800 btw

[quick cairn]

12800?

I’m confused you mean gain?

[winter moat]

its iso format used in dslm/r

so 100 200 400 800 1600 3200 6400 12800 ...

[woven kite]

i think theyre the same thing just different numbers

[winter moat]

yee

[quick cairn]

Gotcha

[winter moat]

@low oar new mosaic ! captured an hour ago

[low oar]

Looks really good you got the detail down nice but your over exposed which blew some craters out

So when your adjusting your exposure before you capture anything

You need to be able to see details on those craters

Then your good

Cuz right now there’s no getting that detail back it’s just white

But good image 👍

[winter moat]

Thanks

I thought it didn't look so bad when areas were overexposed

I think it looks more natural

Like it's not perfect

[low oar]

Aye to each is their own

[craggy wasp]

first time doing Jupiter with a real camera (untracked with a 150mm F8 dob)

[quick cairn]

Not bad at all

[rain mauve]

excellent seeing 10/10

4.5 inch telescope

[white prawn]

Not bad. There's slight image doubling, really noticeable on the moons. Might want to check colli.

[rain mauve]

collimation is great!, since im untracked and the stand wasnt sturdy enough because of the floor wasnt flat enough, there was a shaky frames i did included

[rain mauve]

1.5 drizzle,

[elder venture]

Dude, Ken and Tom are buddies (and worked on projects together) and they’re both very skilled and knowledgeable. The final answer won’t change with the fact that Tom has a 24“

[quick cairn]

My point is his scope is bigger than the rest of us there for he has the most experience with the best data. But this conversation was a while ago lol

I’ll admit though the data Ken shared on the share data channel is absolutely insane

[silent mesa]

What should my gain and exposure be for a given night

[winter moat]

It depends, so I rarely use the same exposure and gain

[rain mauve]

47 panels untracked

[winter moat]

But I'm mostly between 25-60ms for my setup

Do you know which settings you use frequently?

[rain mauve]

darken the background a bit

really pain doing this untracked ._.

[silent mesa]

I just put it to 10 ms and increase gain so my histogram is around 90%

[rain mauve]

90 percent is way too much 💀

[winter moat]

Oh You work with the histogram

[silent mesa]

Really?

[rain mauve]

what are you tryna shooting at?

[silent mesa]

Jupiter

[rain mauve]

i usually do like 30-50 percent so i dont blow up the detail

[silent mesa]

What software do you use?

[rain mauve]

sharpcap

[silent mesa]

I feel like that would be really dim though

[rain mauve]

i think you should test and find the best settings for you, it depends on seeing also

mine looks great on 30-50 percent histogram

[silent mesa]

Is this what most people would try to aim for?

[rain mauve]

i dont know yet about this...

[silent mesa]

Ok

[rain mauve]

oh yeah feel free to put feedback! appriciate it alot!

[winter moat]

I think it's a bit to over sharpened

but otherwise nice picture

[rain mauve]

ahhh i see.. i did sharpen it twice, first in registax and second in astrosurface

first one just look unsharpened enough yet xD

[winter moat]

Can you show how only Registax has sharpened it?

[rain mauve]

this is with registax only

[winter moat]

This looks a lot more natural imo

It looks almost finished

imo oc

[rain mauve]

Oh yeahhh I see the difference

I like the right more

[winter moat]

You did a good job with Registax

[rain mauve]

After I blend it in ICE, I did some sharpening again at astrosurface, maybe it's full disc, so some part did not sharpened well, and turns into oversharpened over there

[rain mauve]

Thanks!

[winter moat]

Ahh i see

Here is a difference

This is your Registax only picture

Hmmm

[rain mauve]

Oh wow

I didn't sharpen that really well

And cause it to be uneven

[winter moat]

Yee

When i do mosaics you can see differences if the seeing is different between the panels

That's a bit annoying

[rain mauve]

Yes yes

I use the same wavelet settings for every panel

[winter moat]

Yee me too

It's not much but still

[rain mauve]

Upper one looks a bit mushy..., but that's not really noticeable IMO

Still looks good!

[winter moat]

Thx

[rain mauve]

seeing above average

[winter moat]

nice

what scope do you use again ?

i think i ask you that bevor

[rain mauve]

diy hadley telescope 4.5 inch

[winter moat]

a nice

what type ?

a cct ?

[rain mauve]

reflector one

a newt

[winter moat]

ah

[rain mauve]

yeahh

[winter moat]

do you only do solar system photography with it ?

ore do you do dso too

[rain mauve]

after i have a decent mount, probably yes

with this telescope

for now i only do solar system photography with it

[winter moat]

ahh

[rain mauve]

i have other device like dslr and with popular samyang 135mm f2 with it

but yeah im living in b9, and clouds keep rolling after i did solar photography, so i cannot shoot dso for now xD

[winter moat]

uff b9 is hard

but the f2 can help alot

a mono cam on that samyang would do not that bad in b9

[rain mauve]

im planning to attatch like dual band filter for it

[winter moat]

ore that

[rain mauve]

to cut off the light pollution so my f2 isnt that really wasted

[rain mauve]

yep yepp

[winter moat]

wish you much fun with it :D

[rain mauve]

thank you man

you do dso also?

[winter moat]

yea

i started with my sony a6700 and the 70-350 telezoom from sony

the i bought the cct

and then later the askar sqa55

my first astro cam was the neptun-c from p1

i use this cam to this day for dso and planeteray

but i need to get a colled mono cam

oh and my first mount was the gti

[rain mauve]

ahhh i see

im planning to buy the astro cam from p1. but the i reconsider it since the taxes is quite expenesive

in my country, so eventually i bought sv305 pro

[rain mauve]

woahhh

[rain mauve]

is it good?

[winter moat]

its really god !

[rain mauve]

damnnn thats nice

[winter moat]

it is sharp af

I don't use Blurx

[rain mauve]

mann

crazy sharp

[rain mauve]

looks so good!

[winter moat]

thanks

[rain mauve]

bg is a bit clipped, but it looks good still!

[winter moat]

Open it in the browser

oh naa wait

hmm strange the backround is still clipped

i think its becouse of the color profile in gimp

[rain mauve]

ahhh i see

[winter moat]

but the amp glove is hard to work with

If you don't get good calibration frames then it gets annoying

here

this is a master dark

[rain mauve]

what is it caused by?

[winter moat]

from parts of the electronics around the sensor that give heat

i think

[rain mauve]

ahhh i see

ohhh thats why you need cooled mono

so it doesnt create any amp glow?

[winter moat]

not necessarily

Modern sensors like the 585 533 or 571 do not have AMP Glove

You could also use them uncooled

The IMX 178 sensor is much older and has these quirks

and mono or color makes no difference when it comes to amp glove

But of course it's best if you use at least a cooled camera

[rain mauve]

Ah I see...

[rain mauve]

Makes a lot easier when taking images, but yeah I'm still saving right now xD

[winter moat]

yea do whats best for your wallet

[rain mauve]

Yeppp, thanks for explaining and giving info

Appreciate it alot

[winter moat]

your welcome

[brazen moth]

Why can't I click on this Stack button?

[winter moat]

@brazen moth can you show your frame window ?

This here

[brazen moth]

I clicked on create AP grid. Never expected I had to use the other window.

[winter moat]

Ahh now i see

Play with these settings

Until it recognizes structure

And you can make the picture brighter if you want

[brazen moth]

Yeah my jupiter was too dim for correct AP boxes. I got it now, thanks!

[winter moat]

Hehe You are welcome

[rain mauve]

Did some reprocessing and make it into mineral moon

[low oar]

Snow Moon Rising

[graceful creek]

can there be 2 full moons in 1 month (calender month is longer than moon month)

if so

when will it happen

[low oar]

Try google for that one

[native plume]

may

[rain mauve]

excellent seeing 1.5 drizzle

[winter moat]

Damn This is your best I've seen from you

Looks really good

[rain mauve]

thanks!

i re collimate because collimation was bit off

[winter moat]

Nice

[rain mauve]

after recollimate i see a huge improvement

[winter moat]

Yup

But you can see strong artifacts from Drizzeln

How many pictures did you end up stacking?

The more pictures, the better the Drizzeln works

[rain mauve]

yepp, i dont really mind it actually

[rain mauve]

50 percent off like 6k frames

7k frames*

[winter moat]

Oh

ok that's a lot

hmm

Strange

probably due to your setup configuration

[rain mauve]

this is without drizzle

[winter moat]

Ahh nice

I'm on my phone right now

So I use your online editing website

Oh its sharpend

Ok

I don't think there is a huge difference

was your seeing good ?

Oh yea "excellent"

[rain mauve]

i could say yes

[winter moat]

You could try to stack 80 or 90 percent with Drizzeln

[rain mauve]

alright

wait

[winter moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-wait-patiently-oh-i-will-wait-oh-yes-i-will-man-pulling-out-camp-chair-to-wait-gif-8026493645162499411

[rain mauve]

sharpened already but seems the pixely thing wont change...

[winter moat]

Hmm

But it is significantly lower

than before

and generally less noise

But the details are still good

[rain mauve]

yep yepp xD

[winter moat]

hmmm smashed the details a bit

[rain mauve]

looks very good xD

[winter moat]

Thanks

[low oar]

Snow Moon ❄️ 🌕

[winter moat]

Beautiful picture :D

I like this style

[low oar]

Thanks

[rain mauve]

really nice!

[low oar]

Thank you

[brazen moth]

Looks so good! Which online editing website did you use? What is/was your workflow?

[main flume]

wont have dithered

[low oar]

https://www.youtube.com/@solar_system_moon/shorts

please report this youtube account as they are stealing not only my footage of telescopes, but many other content creator clips im sure you have seen before, report them as impersonations and link my channel or any other one you notice please

[glossy frigate]

shame on him

[glossy frigate]

bro took every single images from stellarium 😭

btw guys hows this, my first stack of jupiter and its red spot

[low oar]

fr

[glossy frigate]

U guys pay lots of money and hard work and this guy comes and steal ur telescope footage to get views

[low oar]

ye hopefully emough people report him, i already filed copyright claims

[glossy frigate]

How many ppls telescope footage has he stolen

[low oar]

like 4 creators

[glossy frigate]

Damn why don't u contact them and tell them that their footage is getting stolen

[low oar]

i filed legal copyright claims it will be taken care of

[glossy frigate]

Hmm I hope it does

[glossy frigate]

Bro is prob a 13 year old 😭

[low oar]

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