i don't use one
#Untracked Astrophotography
gentle cipher
Focus shift isnt about the camera lens focus moving. It's about the focus point changing due to temperature
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Unless your focuser is lose, doesn't hold tight, you wouldn't need to tape your lens
You would need to tape your focal length if you are using a zoom lens
Or if the temperature doesn't change ar night
urban dirge
Okay thanks
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5 mins in dumbell nebula
viral rivet
my best untracked-
Saturn thru webcam same scope as below
deep sky with oppo f1f phone (it was soo difficult with my scope f ratio)
marble kite
I have the d750
maiden drum
5 mins in dumbell nebula
yooo
what is the exposure dfor the subs
how many
what bortle
copudl you pleae uplaod a sub? i tried this a few days ago and the subs were HORRIBLE couldnt see a thing even with photshop turning it up
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copudl you pleae uplaod a sub? i tried this a few days ago and the subs were HOR...
The trick to is crank your iso to the maximum
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I shot at 12800
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You haven't when told Mr what your number is
maiden drum
I shot at 12800
this shot at 6400
maiden drum
ok
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with this photo i now leave you guys. good luck on your journey and clear skies
Best of luck!
maiden drum
how come m57 comes liek this but dembell is s***
maiden drum
actually i shot this ring prime on 750mm / 150mm
the dumbell was at 200mm but couldnt see a thing
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That's why I said. Crank your iso to the maximum
I can very very faintly see at 6400, hence I went to 12800
maiden drum
will the crank maxium be better than external increasing the brightnessi n liek photoshop
maiden drum
That's why I said. Crank your iso to the maximum
i have a 25600 max
should i just use 12800
maiden drum
k thanks a lot
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Don't worry about high focal length. For untracked you want most as possible
200 is fine
maiden drum
ok
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Bc in ps you can crop down
maiden drum
well
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What are your lenses
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Personally I'd got 55-250 bc that's the lens I used
If possible you can use the 150p for visual
maiden drum
really
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High focal length will reduce your subs exposure. You don't really want that since you won't be able to see it
maiden drum
High focal length will reduce your subs exposure. You don't really want that sin...
but can aperture balnce it out?
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Not so much?
maiden drum
Not so much?
have you tried ring nebula
is
wintry mountain
Hey guys...I've calculated with the rule of 300 (which is the correct one for my smartphone's specs) that the maximum exposure time I can take without star trailing is 12 seconds...but my question is, how many frames can I capture ?
What's the maximum number of frames??
Btw your profile name describes me a whole 😆😆😆😆
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What's the maximum number of frames??
there is no maximum
wintry mountain
there is no maximum
Wrong question
What's the maximum number of frames I can take without the object slipping out of the FOV
With 12 sec of exposure
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youll need to see that
youll need to keep recentering it
thats untracked astro for you
wintry mountain
That's no problem actually...I've spent 2 hours tracking Jupiter to only capture 4 videos, worth 1 minute of content
👍
Do they have to be perfectly recentered ? @paper arrow ?
Or does the software do the job?
👍
Thanks
I'll give it a try tomorrow
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software does it
keep it close enough, when i starts moving away, recenter before it goes too far awayout of frame
wintry mountain
keep it close enough, when i starts moving away, recenter before it goes too far...
Got it!
wintry mountain
Hey guys
Do you have any thoughts on Google's camera astrophotography mode ???
Could it be possible to use it with a non-motorised Telescope ?
It's a pretty cool feature that Google camera has
But I don't know if it works through a telescope
warped ledge
But I don't know if it works through a telescope
Just try it
wintry mountain
Easy peezy question
Best camera under 100 dollars for untracked ap
Or maybe 110 dollars
A bit higher
wintry mountain
Of which are very pricy
No?
finite spire
Yes
wintry mountain
Sv305 isn't...
paper arrow
Nope.
You need a dslr at minimum...I wouldn't reccomend a phone
Under 100 will be very hard
wintry mountain
You need a dslr at minimum...I wouldn't reccomend a phone
I can't use a DSLR...my Telescope has a helical focuser...
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Yea you can still use it
wintry mountain
Yea you can still use it
It's plastic...everyone says I shouldn't
It's not reliable
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What telescope do you have
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Hmmm
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Personally, you should be able to use a dslr, just will be front heavy
wintry mountain
Or a used one
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You'll need a higher budget, 100 won't get you anywhere
wintry mountain
Personally, you should be able to use a dslr, just will be front heavy
I can cope with that...I think
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Minimum at least 300.
You need to do your research.
wintry mountain
Minimum at least 300.
You need to do your research.
300???
My Telescope costs less than that
😂😂😂😂
mossy cave
Hardest pass ever
wintry mountain
😆😆😆😆
So no?
Should I go for a 100???
Or a 80??
The less zeroes the better right ???
I don't really know much about dslr
This was taken with a phone
A friend of mine from Brazil took this picture
Mi11, Bortle 9
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/325799837090?hash=item4bdb2efda2:g:H6MAAOSw4CVk9w5p&amd...
Can you get a d300?
wintry mountain
@paper arrow
It's also in Italy
Next to Greece where I live
👍
Is this good??
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Seems alright
wintry mountain
So smash??
real furnace
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325799837090?hash=item4bdb2efda2:g:H6MAAOSw4CVk9w5p&amd...
10mp? 
finite spire
Mi11, Bortle 9
If I’m in bortle 9 I just don’t image unless it’s hella rare
wintry mountain
If I’m in bortle 9 I just don’t image unless it’s hella rare
I live in a bortle 9 city
😂😂😂
I live in the most light polluted city in the Balkans
👌
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Good luck.
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The d5300?
wintry mountain
The d5300?
The d300
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How much is a d5300?
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Cracked screen.
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It depends
wintry mountain
It depends
I don't really care about the screen...I want to be able to take pretty good photos and videos
wintry mountain
Yea bro you need that live view to take photos
That crack doesn't seem that bad...also I don't need to buy a super expensive replacement screen
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Do you know a place where you can get it fixed?
Or a place locally where you can get a camara
wintry mountain
Or a place locally where you can get a camara
There has to be a place
I'm pretty sure
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You're in the city, so finding a place shouldn't be too hard or far away
wintry mountain
There are other cameras but they cost 350-500
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Are you gonna do planetary or deep sky photos?
wintry mountain
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Yea you're gonna have to decide
wintry mountain
Without tracking
wintry mountain
Yea you're gonna have to decide
Both
wintry mountain
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32805388143.html
It's really cheap
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A dslr without a tracking mount is not fun. Especially with a telescope
Deep sky will not be worth it
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32805388143.html
Will you be comfortable repairing it?
wintry mountain
A dslr without a tracking mount is not fun. Especially with a telescope
Hmmmm...I can't really do much more...or I can build a motorised patent for my telescope
Which is pretty difficult
Because there are no manuals or guides to do it
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I suggest you hold out of deep sky. Planetary will be much easier for you.
How much is a Uranus c camara
wintry mountain
I suggest you hold out of deep sky. Planetary will be much easier for you.
Dso is the real deal
wintry mountain
How much is a Uranus c camara
Wait
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Yes. I understand deep sky is very tempting. But you NEED tracking. Especially if you want to use your telescope
If you are very tempted into deep sky astro, get a dslr for your dslr and a tripod
Then use your telescope for planetary
wintry mountain
@paper arrow...there are actually no Uranus c used cameras
😂😂😂
I'll probably get the dlsr
I would like to motorise my telescope too
But it's really difficult for the reasons I told you
wintry mountain
You need to buy a mount
That's even more expensive...mount+motor drive=the price of my telescope...You see...I don't really want to be invested in this Telescope
It's just an entry level telescope
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So basically, deep sky objects are ruled out with using your telescope
HOWEVER. I'd you get a lens your your dslr, you can do deep sky
wintry mountain
So basically, deep sky objects are ruled out with using your telescope
HOWEVER...
A UHC???
I already have one
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What do you mean uhc
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But you'll need a sturdy tripod
wintry mountain
But you'll need a sturdy tripod
See??? The budget climbs up...
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You need a tripod. That's a must have
You defo not gonna hold your camara in your hands
Are you getting lens with your camara
real furnace
See??? The budget climbs up...
I mean, good luck doing untracked Astro in a bortle 9 with a 16 year old DSLR
wintry mountain
Yes, star hopping won't be the best
Do you know astrohopper
It makes it look too easy
👌👌
I don't have any problem finding objects
I have problem seeing them
👌👌👌😆😆😆😆
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And your problem will develop further since your skies are very bright
@wintry mountain are you getting a lens with your camara
real furnace
I have problem seeing them
You’ll have problems photographing them with that camera, lol
Also I don’t recommend buying Nikon
wintry mountain
<@788847482401980457> are you getting a lens with your camara
Naaaaah...the budget will get too high
I'll probably stick to the Nikon 3500
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...you need a lens for deep space
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How much is the kit lens for that camara
wintry mountain
How much is the kit lens for that camara
750 dollars
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Can't be.
wintry mountain
Some a bit less
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Is it the 18-55?
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How much is used
wintry mountain
How much is used
Give me a sec
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That's wayyyyy too much for a old camara
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Yea that's good
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With this lens, you should be able to take milkyway shots and some big dso
wintry mountain
With this lens, you should be able to take milkyway shots and some big dso
Without using the telescope ???
wintry mountain
That's litterslly what the lens is for
Dude I have no idea about dslr
wintry mountain
I have NO clue about DSLR
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The telescope is for planetary
The lens is for milkyway and some big deep sky objects
Dslr is your camara
wintry mountain
I want to use a DSLR with the telescope...is this impossible??
For dso
It can't be
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... it is possible but not reccomend. You are at a high focal length and since you aren't tracking your subs will be incredibly slow. So slow they may not even have data
The lens is much wider. You'll be able to take longer exposure
wintry mountain
... it is possible but not reccomend. You are at a high focal length and since y...
I have a 25mm wide field eyepiece
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You can only shoot bright and decently sized objects. That's it
wintry mountain
Or whatever this is called
wintry mountain
You can only shoot bright and decently sized objects. That's it
:(((((
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Your eyepiece is for you telescope so you can see things. You do not use that for photography
Your budget highly restricts what you can do
wintry mountain
Your eyepiece is for you telescope so you can see things. You do not use that fo...
You don't mount the DSLR on the eyepiece??? I'm actually that dumb??
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No!
You get a t-ring to connect it to the telescope
You can get then 3d printed or buy them
wintry mountain
You get a t-ring to connect it to the telescope
At least I know what this is
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And you may need to get a Barlow lens so you can reach focus
wintry mountain
And you *may* need to get a Barlow lens so you can reach focus
I have a 2x anda 3x
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Great
real furnace
With this lens, you should be able to take milkyway shots and some big dso
Bortle 9 
wintry mountain
If I remove the lens from the 2x and put it between the 3x and the eyepiece I basically get a 4x barlow
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When you get more money, get a new lens
wintry mountain
So technically I also have a 4x
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Lens is for deep sky. You do not need a Barlow
When you want to use your telescope, you replace the lens with the t ring and connect to the telescope
And you connect the Barlow on there as well
real furnace
A Barlow would make everything harder
real furnace
But isn't the Barlow necessary for planetary??
Yeah, not for DSO
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You can use the Barlow
wintry mountain
Yeah, not for DSO
Yeah of course
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But yes planetary a Barlow will be helpful
wintry mountain
So what's actually the problem with untracked ap??? I can manually track objects down
real furnace
So what's actually the problem with untracked ap??? I can manually track objects...
Short exposures
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Alright I'll type a long message
wintry mountain
Short exposures
With the DSLR won't I be able to use 2s or more of exposure??
real furnace
With the DSLR won't I be able to use 2s or more of exposure??
I don’t think so, no
I got trailing with 2 second exposures at 135mm focal length full frame
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Untracked astrophotography is not reccomended mainly because your sub exposures are very short. Since they are so short and you are taking as many photos you can, it wears out your shutter quickly. You will come across the SNR (Signal to noise ratio)
Essentially you want more signal than noise in your photos. You can do this by take long exposure subs (like 1 minute+) and you'll get less noise. However for untracked your subs are so short that you get more noise than actual signal. The only thing wr can do is reduce the noise by iso (this then gets very very complicated and will confuse you as you are starting out as new.)
Also since your subs are short you'll be taking hundreds if not thousands of them.
Also with untracked, you can't just pick a spot and shoot that..you need to calculate your maximum exposure time. In your calculations you will need to include, your target declination, camara pixel size, and focal length.
When you have a star tracker, you can ignore all this since you will highly benefit with a tracker
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I got trailing with 2 second exposures at 135mm focal length full frame
Thag will depend on your target declination
The signal to noise ratio is the absolute key in astrophotography even experts get hampered by
Untracked astro is harder than tracked astro
wintry mountain
Untracked astrophotography is not reccomended mainly because your sub exposures ...
I have calculated that the maximum exposure I can have without star trailing is around 1.3 seconds
Which is not much
Also I'm quite familiar with the DSLR settings as I've practised with my smartphone
wintry mountain
Untracked astrophotography is not reccomended mainly because your sub exposures ...
What is a star tracker ??
Never mind...I found it
Idk...I really want to get into astrophotography but I don't think I have the resources
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I have calculated that the maximum exposure I can have without star trailing is ...
What are you shooting
Also do not use the rule of 500 or 300. They do not work
wintry mountain
Also do not use the rule of 500 or 300. They do not work
Ik...they are useless
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Idk...I really want to get into astrophotography but I don't think I have the re...
You shouldve done research firstly instead of diving straight in
wintry mountain
You shouldve done research firstly instead of diving straight in
I've done some
But not for DSLR
I had no idea about dslr
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Then your research wasn't good enough
wintry mountain
Then your research wasn't good enough
I told you...everyone says it's not a good idea to put a dslr on this telescope
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Yes. That's correct
wintry mountain
So I just ignored DSLRs
Can't I find a camera like sv205 in the same budget???
Or is it better to figure out a way to motorise my telescope???
wintry mountain
Svbiny cameras are not reccomended
Ik but I can't do any better...I'm sorry
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I'm gonna go off for sometime
wintry mountain
You can get the gti version of your telescope
I bought mine a month ago...anyways s
wintry mountain
That's probably what I'm gonna do
wintry mountain
Wow it's a really good mount
real furnace
Thag will depend on your target declination
Won’t make a huge difference
That phone is so good, some DSLRs are worse
real furnace
That phone is $250 and it’s purpose isn’t even just to take pictures. It is true that some old DSLRs are good, but that doesn’t mean they’re cheap. The Nikon D750 is 9 years old and still costs $1600 (good if you get a good copy, lmao)
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what ya think
warped ledge
what ya think
Looks really nice! But would run it trough NoiseX (and BlurX).
I zoomed to the strings💀💀💀
Doesn‘t have to be like that. I‘m sure there are sone ppl on the server who would do it…
sterile violet
Or a used one
go used
wintry mountain
@paper arrow I found an eq mount with a motor drive within my budget...I won't send it here...it's my precious 😆😆😆😆...but I just wanted to let you know
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What mount is it
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@wintry mountain
marble kite
I haven't read al 1000 messages but you can get a Nikon d7000 for like 200 bucks used
finite spire
radiant osprey
ZOOMING into milky way [untracked]
finite spire
rustic otter
Cause m16 looks cooked af
lol
meager tinsel
why so many star trails
if you can get rid of those with lower exposures they'd look insane
finite spire
Yeah the dude who processed M33 forgot to blurX
maiden drum
Qhat equipment specs?
hallow tapir
75ish secs of data, Orions core is really bright
finite spire
I’ll try to shoot a larger mosaic
burnt bay
what happened to the stars
burnt bay
well yeah but like why did it happen to your image
I haven’t seen that happen to an amateurs image before
burnt bay
warped ledge
I’ll try to shoot a larger mosaic
man, this aint where the running man nebula is
finite spire
This was my reference image
warped ledge
This was my reference image
oh man, didnt see this target for so long 😭
wintry mountain
This was my reference image
Oh wow this is really good for untracked
grizzled quiver
arcturus star
native juniper
Andromeda/M31
Canon 450D
Carl Zeiss 135mm 3.5
850x2"
Deep Sky Stacker and Photoshop
It's my first try knowing what I was doing
I'll try on the future, specially on reducing noise and improving sharpness
native juniper
Pleiades
Canon 450D
Carl Zeiss 135mm 3.5
848x2"
Deep Sky Stacker and Photoshop
gentle birch
Pleiades
Canon 450D
Carl Zeiss 135mm 3.5
848x2"
Deep Sky Stacker and Photoshop
i think i'm starting to see some IFN coming in. Great job for 30 minutes! what's your bortle scale?
native juniper
i think i'm starting to see some IFN coming in. Great job for 30 minutes! what's...
Bortle 5-6
native juniper
i think i'm starting to see some IFN coming in. Great job for 30 minutes! what's...
I also did. I tried to push the IFN but it would brighten the background too much. Thanks for the response!
normal elk
110×20s using the s23 ultra iso 1600
tribal jetty
Bortle 9 skies. 172 86 millisecond exposures. Celestron Starsense 8” Dob through player one Uranus c camera.
north furnace
Bortle 9 skies. 172 86 millisecond exposures. Celestron Starsense 8” Dob through...
Lucky imaging at it's best (86 milliseconds? Chill out)
tribal jetty
Lucky imaging at it's best (86 milliseconds? Chill out)
Imagine higher exposures with tracking 🥴
tribal jetty
Your dob is tracked?
Oh no it’s not. I was saying imagine how much better imaging I could get with tracking
north furnace
Yeah I understood it a bit later
gentle birch
Oh no it’s not. I was saying imagine how much better imaging I could get with tr...
but you'd lose out on the power of lucky imagine
tribal jetty
but you'd lose out on the power of lucky imagine
I think lucky imagining works on both tracked and untracked, since it’s just a method used to reduced atmospheric and other kinda of distortions
gentle birch
I think lucky imagining works on both tracked and untracked, since it’s just a m...
lucky imaging requires very short exposures. You can't do it with long exposures
hence planetary people taking videos, not photos
they need to freeze that very short moment of atmospheric calm
tribal jetty
Ahhh makes sense
rustic otter
Pleiades
Canon 450D
Carl Zeiss 135mm 3.5
848x2"
Deep Sky Stacker and Photoshop
How do u get colour
strange seal
How do u get colour
thats the natural colour. it will be in your image.
rustic otter
I got no colour
rustic otter
20 secs
marble kite
yes you don't get any collor is such a short intergration
crisp lagoon
Calfornia Nebula with Pleiades.
Canon 200d II
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Frames-
Light frames 310
Dark frames 30
Bias frames 10
Software-
Deep sky stacker
Pixinsight
My first untracked
wintry mountain
holy moly there's some much walking noise 😯😯😯😯
but it's untracked so that's expected
really good for untracked
👍👍
crisp lagoon
It was actually my first time. Thanks
wintry mountain
that's out of this world
wintry mountain
it's amazing what he accomplished
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at what bortle did you shoot this ???
5/6
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how is this untracked ??
When you do it for over a year, you can shoot pretty much anything
wintry mountain
When you do it for over a year, you can shoot pretty much anything
what scope do you use ??
wintry mountain
Aaaaah
now it makes a bit more sense
this is not possible with a scope
😅😅😅
@paper arrow I had actually followed you on insta a few weeks ago and saw your photos, but I didn't have the slightest idea they were untracked
wintry mountain
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I've got a crap cheap telescope but I only shoot globs with it
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What about it?
wintry mountain
why Ryan ??
wintry mountain
What about it?
wait
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What did Ryan do?
wintry mountain
What did Ryan do?
for a moment I wasn't able to write anything
it said this is not the right channel
Idk who did this
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It's nice
Pre covid the night life in the city was pretty good
But now not really bc they also implemented lockout laws
wintry mountain
But now not really bc they also implemented lockout laws
they still use those ???
wintry mountain
for 2 years we were all traumatized by the deaths from Covid and suddenly it just stopped existing
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Heh yea
wintry mountain
I like Sydney
It has some nice Music universities
conservatories
and I might consider studying there
you also have the freaking opera
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Yes
There are some cool stuff down here
One of the unis close to me has an observatory
They got a 24" SCT
And bunch of other setups
The guys over there are pretty chill
But yes, still untracked
Will be for a while
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nice light pollution
wintry mountain
They got a 24" SCT
YO
hallow tapir
This is pretty cool
I tried taking an image like that once
wintry mountain
oh hell yeah...I have had a couple of friends that had Covid very recently
it's still raging
yeah...that's really weird
oh dear
my best friend was verified to have Covid on Friday...they same day we met
so I might have too
I've only had it once...from a freaking marriage that I didn't want to go to
dude...I had all my bones killing me at the same time
it was horrible
dude in Greece that doesn't even count any more
😂😂
I tell you
it's horrible
yeah
it's not an excuse anymore
it's just a normal thing now
daaaaamn
😂😂😂
yeah... fortunately last year when I got Covid it was ok
now it's not
😂
Greek laws are amazing
😂😂👌
well...most seas in Greece are overhyped
there are only a few beaches that are actually amazing
too warm
🥵🥵
😂😂😂
dude I just read your bio...you live in Finland ?? you have the best climate over there
it's not nice to live in a warm climate...the food is...amazing I wouldn't change it for anything
I live in Athens ☠️☠️☠️
I love Suomi
it's such a cool sounding language
dude makkara is actually a nude hot dog
damn
that's cool
🤣🤣🤣
yo that's true
DAMN
wait
this is called FAKES
yeah dude
it's like poop
😂😂
it's actually quite tasty though ...not a lot of people like it...mainly because of its appearance
this is just... amazing
YO
YO
DAMN
that's like the place I dream of
It's freaking awesome
that's the ideal temperature
that's...a bit low 😅😅😅
here in Greece the minimum temperature in Winter is 0
VERY RARELY it's -1
the highest is 48
👍
🥹🥹🥹
😭😭😭
I'm coming to Finland
screw it
I'll leave my parents
is it true that you have a very low crime rate ??
reindeers ?? damn all we see is stray dogs and cats
with AIDS
oh really ??
damn
you are the man!!!
imagine that I live in a super crowded city of 6 million...over half the population of Greece lives in Athens
I have a lot of idiot ppl
around me
even BBC says it
dude that's like an introvert's dream
better than a dream
wait
I live here
in this town
are you sure ??
well
you have to meet the people
🤪🤪🤪
unfortunately most Greeks today act more like eastern ppl than civilised Europeans
oh me too...I have to wake up at 6:20
☠️☠️
good luck
it's school man
what do you expect
good night
you've got this!!! I will probably take the results of my ancient Greek test tomorrow ☠️☠️☠️
yeah it's horrible
it's so difficult
even for Greeks
it's the toughest language
good night
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55-250 at 75mm
sterile violet
That's so cool
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Oh there are defo people better than me
Look at Nico carvers monthly competition winners
Someone photographed polaris IFN untracked. But tbf he had a fairly expensive lens
Other one was rho ophiuchi and that's was decent, better than mine
wintry mountain
Someone photographed polaris IFN untracked. But tbf he had a fairly expensive le...
shoot that's cool
chilly apex
6" dobsonian Jupiter
sterile violet
sick
gentle birch
how do you take tracked exposures without the foreground smearing
or do you take the sky separately
gentle birch
ah icic
hallow tapir
helix nebula with 100% moon phase untracked
Center it
hallow tapir
Ok
paper arrow
My friend I did them. This is what happens when you shoot with 100% moon phase
hallow tapir
My friend I did them. This is what happens when you shoot with 100% moon phase
Just 100x the data amount and you’d get a cute image
normal fable
hello
i am new to astrophotography, do you know any good software's for stacking and editing images?
gleaming flower
Depends which, but for DSO:
Deepskystacker for stacking
Siril for beginner's level post-processing stacked images.
Pixinsight for advanced level post-processing stacked images.
Autostakkert for stacking videos of planetary.
Registax6 for planetary post-processing.
normal fable
thank you, i will check them out
gleaming walrus
Have captured one untracked data from a B1 in June and 1 or 2 tracked data, rest all Timelapses
Hope I process soon 😅
Had a long gap 🌌 due to sky condition here
paper arrow
i tried an interesting processing technique
mighty acorn
Is this photo untracked
charred furnace
Ring Nebula untracked with an 8" dobsonian telescope and a zwo asi662 mc camera
paper arrow
9 minutes
mighty acorn
Single exposure?
paper arrow
No
mighty acorn
How much was the single exposure
paper arrow
2s
dapper zodiac
Does anyone have tips for a good planetary astro cam im using an untracked 8 inch dob and live in bortle 6
sterile violet
the uranus-c is great
paper arrow
Guys he said the u word
tidal wave
51 miuntes at f/2.8 and 135mm
mossy cave
i was gonna say there is some tracking errors but this is the untracked chat
what exposure lenght are you using?
i found out that at 135mm its usually just 1second subs to not get any trails. the old calculator that nebula photos showed in some videos works really good
rule of 500 does not work
tidal wave
Me who did 3 second exposures
mossy cave
Me who did 3 second exposures <:kekw:1069600214090002574>
depends how close to polaris you are shooting the target.
if you are directly at polaris shooting the dust, you can do like 13-14sec subs
directly opposite imaging south, maybe 0.8 to 1sec subs
best i got once untracked with fat pixel fullframe dslr and 135mm i did 2sec to 2.5s somewhere around there
it was northwest with decently high imaging the green comet early in 2023
paper arrow
depends how close to polaris you are shooting the target.
Not nessesarily that, it's the camara pixel size
mossy cave
both
paper arrow
In this cae3 pleiades is far away
So the main reason as to how he's getting 3s subs is camara pixel size
That's the only thing that can be result In change
mossy cave
well you can do 3sec subs if you set the camera to expose for 3seconds. that does not mean the stars wont trail
maybe with some 20 year old dslr you can do longer subs since the pixels are huge
with 6.41um pixels (old canon fullframe). there is no real good target where 3sec is possible 
prisma barn
Wanted to try something besides the 'easy 3' tonight, i honestly had no clue how this would turn out before doing it but i heard the north America nebula was big and bright so figured it'd make a good target
5 second subs, just over an hour integration time, 50mm at f/3.2
paper arrow
What's your iso?
prisma barn
1600
paper arrow
Alright
prisma barn
is that bad?
tidal wave
No that’s good for untracked
paper arrow
its fine depending what you are shooting and how long your intergration will be
charred furnace
Does anyone have tips for a good planetary astro cam im using an untracked 8 inc...
Hello ! I have an 8" dobsonian telescope , untracked and i have a zwo asi662 camera . This is the best photo of Jupiter that i did with the camera
charred furnace
Does anyone have tips for a good planetary astro cam im using an untracked 8 inc...
for dso this are the results of m13 and ring nebula
burnt bay
I’ve gotten these with my 6” dob + PO Mars-C in bortle 4, it can certainly get much better than this though with more integration
burnt bay
Does anyone have tips for a good planetary astro cam im using an untracked 8 inc...
The Uranus-C is a great option because it has a great huge sensor, making untracked much easier. And if you are doing DSO, try binning your data for better signal if the target is super dim
tidal tide
uranus c and huge sensor..
charred furnace
I’ve gotten these with my 6” dob + PO Mars-C in bortle 4, it can certainly get m...
Amazing , this are live stack ? And what is in the third picture ?
burnt bay
Amazing , this are live stack ? And what is in the third picture ?
Not live stacks, each are about 10-15 minutes worth of data stacked in AutoStakkert. The third image is the Saturn Nebula
charred furnace
Not live stacks, each are about 10-15 minutes worth of data stacked in AutoStakk...
Can you tell me what do you use to capture the data ? I am struggling with sharp cap
burnt bay
I use sharpcap, what problems are you having?
charred furnace
I use sharpcap, what problems are you having?
I don t know how to capture data . I don t have the pro sharp cap and i don t know what to do , in the photos that i posted up i made live stack . Should i film the object and try to keep it in the middle and after that to process it in Autostakkert ? I have an 8" dob untracked with a zwo asi662 camera
burnt bay
I don t know how to capture data . I don t have the pro sharp cap and i don t kn...
On the top left of the screen are the start/pause/stop recording options. I normally set my exposure to something like 250ms. If I am not trying to get an incredibly high resolution image, I use binning x2 or x3 (this option is on the right of the screen) to get better signal. I let the target drift from left to right, realigning when it hits the edge of the view. I stop recording when I think I have enough data.
After this, I try using the Surface Mode in Autostakkert to align the frames. This is somewhat inconsistent, depends on how bright the target appears in your data. If it doesn't work, I run the data through PIPP's surface stabilization and try again.
charred furnace
On the top left of the screen are the start/pause/stop recording options. I norm...
Thanks ! I will try when the sky is clear . And how you find the objects . I couldn t find M1 and the little sombrero
burnt bay
I always try locating it through the eyepiece before inserting the camera. I use the SkyGuide app to help with Star hopping, and I normally hold my phone upside down so it perfectly matches the eyepiece view. And yeah M1 is actually quite faint as it is spread over a somewhat large area, it is easy to miss. My skies are also darker which helps to spot these objects
charred furnace
I always try locating it through the eyepiece before inserting the camera. I use...
Ok , your profile picture is made with the 6" dobsonian ?
burnt bay
Yup, planetary imaging is what I’ve been focusing on since I started the hobby
burnt bay
Hello ! I have an 8" dobsonian telescope , untracked and i have a zwo asi662 cam...
Your image here is very good, but it looks like the collimation could’ve been imperfect. Definitely worth checking this next time, and did you use a Barlow?
charred furnace
Yup, planetary imaging is what I’ve been focusing on since I started the hobby
These are very beautiful . I am struggling with Saturn because i have the camera since october . This is the best photo until now
charred furnace
Your image here is very good, but it looks like the collimation could’ve been im...
i used a 2.5 Barlow but i tried to process with just with the Autostakkert and Registax
This is with PIPP
burnt bay
These are very beautiful . I am struggling with Saturn because i have the camer...
Nice image. The potential is definitely great, I can see the Cassini Division resolved far around the ring. If you get an evening of good seeing, this should be excellent
charred furnace
Nice image. The potential is definitely great, I can see the Cassini Division re...
For Venus did you used a filter ?
burnt bay
The Venus is a combination of standard uv/ir cut data and “UV” data. For the UV, I used a Wratten #47 in combination with an IR-Cut filter. I used the UV as luminance over the Color data.
charred furnace
The Venus is a combination of standard uv/ir cut data and “UV” data. For the UV,...
And all the photos are untracked ?
burnt bay
Yep
charred furnace
Yep
Wow
How did you make the moon photo ? My best photo of the moon till now are this
burnt bay
Are these stacked/sharpened?
charred furnace
Are these stacked/sharpened?
no , raw just a single shot
burnt bay
I let the area drift and then realign, similar to the DSO process. Stacked in Autostakkert, then sharpened and color balanced in RegiStax, and then I took it into Gimp and increased the saturation to bring out the mineral colors
charred furnace
I let the area drift and then realign, similar to the DSO process. Stacked in Au...
What Barlow do you use ?
charred furnace
Though I don't have a camera for it
I did this photo with a phone , 8" dobson untracked , a 6mm eyepeice and 2.5x Barlow lens . It s always worth to go out with the dobson
prisma barn
i have a super bad phone camera though, and no mount for it either
tidal wave
charred furnace
i have a super bad phone camera though, and no mount for it either
i got that image without a mount
prisma barn
oh for real? like just holding the camera up to the eyepiece and recording a video?
charred furnace
oh for real? like just holding the camera up to the eyepiece and recording a vid...
yes , i will look to see if i got the video on the pc and post it here
charred furnace
oh for real? like just holding the camera up to the eyepiece and recording a vid...
i didn t find the video for Saturn but i found it for Jupiter
This is with an 8" dobsonian untracked , 6mm eyepiece and a 2.5x barlow without a mount
And this is the image processed
prisma barn
this is my best photo of saturn lmao,a single phone cam photo because at the time i had no clue how to do it right
prisma barn
This is with an 8" dobsonian untracked , 6mm eyepiece and a 2.5x barlow without ...
that's still very stable for being held manually up to the eyepiece i feel
maybe i just have shaky hands
charred furnace
this is my best photo of saturn lmao,a single phone cam photo because at the tim...
This is my first photo of Saturn with the 8" dob and a 1mm eyepiece
charred furnace
maybe i just have shaky hands
with a eyepiece with a big field is more easily
prisma barn
also damn these are some high magnifications, that saturn pic i took was at 140x i think
burnt bay
What Barlow do you use ?
A 3x from Orion
charred furnace
A 3x from Orion
Did you tried horse head nebula ? Or do you have more photo of dso because i am curious about what can i try to do
burnt bay
Did you tried horse head nebula ? Or do you have more photo of dso because i am...
I haven’t tried Horsehead, but here are some other shots of mine. Flame Nebula was definitely the faintest, barely visible in the live view with 700ms exposures at binning x4.
charred furnace
I haven’t tried Horsehead, but here are some other shots of mine. Flame Nebula w...
Amazing photos ! the second picture is sombrero ? The third picture is the little sombrero ? And the fourth picture is cigar ?
burnt bay
Amazing photos ! the second picture is sombrero ? The third picture is the littl...
Thanks!
- Whirlpool
- Needle Galaxy
- Sombrero
- Whale Galaxy
- Flame neb
- Dumbbell Neb
charred furnace
Thanks!
1. Whirlpool
2. Needle Galaxy
3. Sombrero
4. Whale Galaxy
5. Flame neb
...
Do you have any recommendation of what galaxis/nebulas is easy to find and visible ?
burnt bay
Do you have any recommendation of what galaxis/nebulas is easy to find and visib...
Of course the Orion Nebula and Andromeda Galaxies are the easiest DSOs to find, but otherwise I’d recommend Sombrero, Bode’s and Cigar, and little planetary nebulae like the Blue Snowball and the Ghost of Jupiter. The planetary nebulae are incredibly bright but very very small. They easily show vibrant green/blue coloration through the eyepiece
charred furnace
Of course the Orion Nebula and Andromeda Galaxies are the easiest DSOs to find, ...
Andromeda is hard for me to do becuase of my small camera sensor
burnt bay
Yeah dobs and planetary cams can’t really do it proper justice. This is my attempt at the core of andromeda, some subtle dust details are visible
charred furnace
Of course the Orion Nebula and Andromeda Galaxies are the easiest DSOs to find, ...
Thank you very much for your recommendations and for your time . When the sky will be clear i will try and post here the results .
burnt bay
Good luck, and happy to help!
prisma barn
sombraro galaxy is so beautiful, i'd love to get a good photo of it
paper arrow
orion at 400mm untracked
sterile violet
Not live stacks, each are about 10-15 minutes worth of data stacked in AutoStakk...
Why would you stack dsos on autostakkert
paper arrow
He hasn't learnt that deep sky have their own imagine techniques
burnt bay
Why would you stack dsos on autostakkert
does the job just fine
charred furnace
does the job just fine
Hello again ! Sorry for bothering you but i saw the iss picture that you did on instagram , it was amazing and i want to try tonight and i was curious if i need to focus on a star before pointing to iss and how to adjust the exposure
burnt bay
No worries! Yeah focus on a star. The exposure has to be very very low, like 0.25ms. If it’s your first attempt, I wouldn’t recommend using a Barlow. Set the gain about 1/3 of the way up, it’s different for every camera
charred furnace
No worries! Yeah focus on a star. The exposure has to be very very low, like 0.2...
ok , thanks !
charred furnace
No worries! Yeah focus on a star. The exposure has to be very very low, like 0.2...
I got some problems , i tried to filmed the moon and this is the results after pipp . I put the video in autostakkert and the image was this
burnt bay
Hm did you use surface mode?
charred furnace
Hm did you use surface mode?
where can i use the surface mode ?
burnt bay
On the left side of Autostakkert there are two options: Planet (COG) and Surface
charred furnace
On the left side of Autostakkert there are two options: Planet (COG) and Surface
it was set on planet . Should i put the original video or the video after PIPP ?
burnt bay
I try with the original video first
charred furnace
I try with the original video first
This is the result after autostakkert with the original video
burnt bay
This is the result after autostakkert with the original video
Better. It seems like you also have some debayering issues judging by the strange grid pattern
Under the “color” tab on Autostakkert did you have auto detect checked?
charred furnace
Under the “color” tab on Autostakkert did you have auto detect checked?
I have RGB
burnt bay
Try doing auto detect, should fix that issue
Use RGB only if your data is already debayered
charred furnace
ok
charred furnace
Use RGB only if your data is already debayered
At ap grid it s ok if i press auto ?
burnt bay
At ap grid it s ok if i press auto ?
Should be ok, but there’s a decent chance for artifacts to show up if it places a lot of APs. Worth trying though
charred furnace
Should be ok, but there’s a decent chance for artifacts to show up if it places ...
this is the result with auto ap
burnt bay
Looks mostly fine, but if you want to get rid of that left side artifact then I’d recommend just placing big APs on the most contrasty craters
charred furnace
Looks mostly fine, but if you want to get rid of that left side artifact then I’...
this is the photo with big aps and after registax
And this is the final image after GIMP
sterile violet
Not nessesarily that, it's the camara pixel size
It's more the declination than distance to polaris
Declination of +90° or -30° can handle longer exposures than 0° declination (celestial equator)
paper arrow
Yes I am aware
native juniper
Orion Nebula and Horsehead
- 135mm at f/3.4
- Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135mm
- Canon 450D (Stock)
-26 minutes of integration (780x2")
It's very noisy and my processing skill are awful.
I tried to push the few H-Alpha that reach the sensor as much as I could.
Maybe it's a little overprocessed?
tidal tide
i'd say thats pretty good for untracked
paper arrow
back
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What was your setup?
marble kite
someone nerd this man
uncut arch
@marble kite Just because I wasn't answering? There are different time zones. I was asleep.
@paper arrow
I have a Nikon D600 with a Nikkor 70-200mm F2.8
I shot at 200mm don't remember all the details because this was shot last winter.
It was close to 40 minutes of data at I think 2s exposures hence you can see the stars a bit stretched in the second image.
Processed in Siril, stacked in DSS and I used Topaz Denoise for guess what? Denoise (what a suprise)
Bortle 4
uncut arch
F2.8 carrying your image
You wish, I would argue, that my processing skills and enough exposure time carries it.
Most who shoot untracked are too lazy to get a solid integration time.
paper arrow
the most intergration ive got on orion is 8mins and thats at f/5.6
im looking at shooting it this new moon with an f/2.8 lens at 200mm
uncut arch
You've proven my point. 8 minutes is not much.
paper arrow
i did 30mins on orion at 135 f/5 and came out like this
my bad, this is orion at 250mm f/5.6 4mins 30s
uncut arch
How long each exposure?
paper arrow
i believe the 135 was 1.5s subs at iso 6400
uncut arch
I pushed mine to 2 seconds at 200mm 1600iso
uncut arch
Or a tracker?
paper arrow
yea that too
uncut arch
i did 30mins on orion at 135 f/5 and came out like this
Where did you process it?
paper arrow
siril and astrodenoisepy
it likes to do a lot of denoising which is nice for untracked but it does a bit too much
uncut arch
Do you have it somewhere in datasets?
uncut arch
Would like to try it, yeah
uncut arch
@paper arrow This is what I got with a quick process
marble kite
<@716565643121524757> Just because I wasn't answering? There are different time ...
I meant the role nerd it wasen't meant offencife
uncut arch
I meant the role nerd it wasen't meant offencife
Oh, sorry. My bad
How do you even get that role?
marble kite
Oh, sorry. My bad
Np
marble kite
How do you even get that role?
You ca get the nerd role either by making good pictures or by helping alot of ppl
But that image is def nerd worthy
In my opinion
uncut arch
How did horsehead go?
I'll give it another go just this time go wider
sullen wagon
For untracked I'm really impressed
Weird banding issues and stuff but I'll attribute that to the fact that it's untracked
1 hr from a Bortle 3 with a Canon T3i and the 135mm f/2
sullen wagon
its really hard for me
I find it quite the opposite due to how bright and easy to frame it is. Why’s it hard on your end?
paper arrow
just getting dust detail
sullen wagon
just getting dust detail
That’s true. Especially because even an hour of data was like 60gb, so even more for the surrounding dust would take… a lot. Too much
paper arrow
its not a very good untracked target
but fast lens, longer exposure subs and dark skies make a differnece
neat scroll
i think you could say that for all astro related activities lol
paper arrow
for tracking, you can get away with slower lenses
neat scroll
fair, but you'll need more integration
uncut arch
its not a very good untracked target
If you say Pleiades are not a good target for untracked ap. then every object is not a good target for untracked
gentle cipher
For me it's hard
that doesnt mean its bad for everyone
where you live Pleiades doesnt get high. up north it hits zenith.
marble coyote
inner crystal
Beautiful.
Lake Tekapo?
marble coyote
yep!
dry spade
Not great results but I was pushed for time last night. 90% of 200x4s exposures at 135mm. Regretting the choice of exposure time for sure.
chilly apex
Not great results but I was pushed for time last night. 90% of 200x4s exposures ...
Considering it is untracked it looks pretty descent, shorter exposures though would 100% help.
paper arrow
Orion
dark token
2 minutes of exposure 49 frames at like 3 seconds i dont remember
dark token
when my star tracker stops being broken i shall also leave
paper arrow
18mins on andromead
supple veldt
Galaxy S23 Ultra
10x lens (no scope, build in camera only)
28 minutes
hexed knoll
Orion nebula and belt
25 minutes of exposure
Bortle 3
(NON MODDED) Canon EOS 4000D
chilly apex
Orion nebula and belt
25 minutes of exposure
Bortle 3
(NON MODDED) Canon EOS 40...
You also got the flame nebula
urban dirge
my first image of the orion nebula 2.1minutes of exposure 1.6 sec exposure lenght 800iso 81 pictures
charred furnace
All photos was made with an 8" dobsonian telescope untracked with a zwo asi 662 camera .
First picture is Andromeda
Second picture is Crab nebula
Third picture is Flame Nebula
And the others are Orion Nebula
gentle birch
my first image of the orion nebula 2.1minutes of exposure ...
go for 1000 pics next time
good target for untracked
urban dirge
go for 1000 pics next time
hard for me
dapper zodiac
Orion, 10 inch dob and 10 second exposure
gentle birch
what i was gonna say😭
dark token
the heck
tribal jetty
Bortle 9. Does anyone know what this object is under the star boxed in the second pic? I haven’t seen it before when imaging Orion
dark token
I think that's just another star
gentle birch
no need to dither when you're untracked. nice image
strange seal
no need to dither when you're untracked. nice image
Dithering is actually more important when untracked because of your continuous drift.
gentle birch
it does it on its own when you recenter your target
paper arrow
no need to dither when you're untracked. nice image
You ALWAYS dither in untracked
gentle birch
You *ALWAYS* dither in untracked
i mean it's kinda automatic cuz you recenter
paper arrow
Thing with that is if you wait out a long time to re-center its gonna leave lots of stacking artefacts. That's why you do small movements every couple or so frames
gentle birch
Thing with that is if you wait out a long time to re-center its gonna leave lots...
not a problem when you're not wide field untracked
hallow tapir
Ah
prisma barn
Tried taking a pic of andromeda again, 1 hour of 4 second subs
better then my last one but still not 'good'
not sure what to do to improve, i see people getting far better in far less time
advice much appreciated 🙏
paper arrow
more intergration will fix things
dark token
advice much appreciated 🙏
what bortle are you in?
prisma barn
probably like a 5
dark token
yeah im not sure what advice to give besides capitalism lol
prisma barn
lmao
plucky narwhal
Idk what happened to the other 5 stars
perhaps too small of a fov
prisma barn
Tried taking a pic of andromeda again, 1 hour of 4 second subs
did another hour of integration
a little sharper and a little less noisy
there's a part of me that desperately wants a star tracker mount but there's a part of me that thinks setting one up sounds like a huge pain just to shoot with my crappy camera and 50mm lens
tidal tide
there's a part of me that desperately wants a star tracker mount but there's a p...
being tracked is basically infinitely better than untracked, you wont regret buying a star tracker
prisma barn
I don't have a great spot in my garden that can see Polaris either, I'd have to clear out space
gentle cipher
I don't have a great spot in my garden that can see Polaris either, I'd have to ...
You don't need to see Polaris to polar align
prisma barn
really? I know you can do it but can you get it accurate still?
gentle cipher
really? I know you can do it but can you get it accurate still?
Yes
Infact I'd say more accurate than polar scopes
NINA ThreePointPolarAlignment(TPPA)
tidal tide
that was my untracked pleiades from quite a bit ago
and this was tracked, i have probably improved at processing as well but i could basically beat the untracked version with like 5 tracked subs lmao
snow igloo
there's a part of me that desperately wants a star tracker mount but there's a p...
I'm gonna get a Roki 135 lens first and then a star tracker later
paper arrow
Finally made your mind up?
snow igloo
Finally made your mind up?
yeah 
wary ginkgo
135mm SMC Takumar f3.5 lens, Sony a6000
1000x2sec stacked with siril
i probably ruined it becouse integrated denoise was still on in the camera
vocal oxide
135mm SMC Takumar f3.5 lens, Sony a6000
1000x2sec stacked with siril
Hey, amazing shot! What ISO setting did you use to shot this ? 😄
wary ginkgo
this edit is a bit better
paper arrow
prisma barn
anything nice about this photo comes from processing and i have no idea why i'm getting weird artefacts when i use autostackert/pipp
chilly apex
anything nice about this photo comes from processing and i have no idea why i'm...
I’ve gotten similar strange artifacts in autostackert, the box things (I forgot what they’re called) I found if you have larger and less of them it gets rid of the artifacts, you just need to find a balance between detail and the artifacts.
ornate spade
Try manually placing big APs with no overlaps, those weird lines are caused by overlaps afaik.
wintry mountain
Hey y'all
I thought it could be useful for someone in case they are suffering from star trailing problems
have fun with it
I obviously don't own the copyright of this video
I just found it on YouTube and after watching it I found it particularly helpful
tidal tide
not sure why you'd want to stack in photoshop instead of dss or sth
wintry mountain
idk but the result seems amazing
I would even argue it looks like it was taken with a tracking mount
very few tutorials actually give you a satisfactory result
but this one is amazing
he fixes every aspect of the image
tidal tide
he fixes every aspect of the image
theres still vignetting in the end, although i guess it could be for drawing the viewers eye onto the comet
this also just doesnt seem like it'd be worth it to do if you have over 500 lights
i had multiple times when i had 1000+ frames when i did untracked and there was no way in hell i was gonna star manually aligning them
dss is just way better for something like this, if your pixel rejection settings are correct it, by default, gets rid of satellite and plane trails, another benefit with dss is that you can calibrate your images there with flats and bias, making post processing a whole lot easier
wintry mountain
damn dude
U got promoted!!!
nice
yes
U are officially a nerd now
😆😆
nice
I might buy a mirrorless or a DSLR
who do U day it's better
I want to do untracked
probably the Sony a6400
then the Pentax 645z
I've found it on a massive deal
it's quite old
but its resolution is insane
oh nice I considered buying it but I just wanted something more lol
I really considered buying it
for its price
but I've found these two babies in really good deals
wow U took this photo with the 2000d?
insane
hands up
the 55mm
yeah
i could have this kit
idk man
I really don't know
I found the pentax at 800
which is insane
800 euros
it's pretty massive
considered it costs 9000
☠️
why ?
are they bad?
yeah
I don't want to use it only for astro
it's a professional camera
I don't think it will have any problems with asto
yeah it has a 51.4 megapixel sensor
1200
it's costs 1200