[EC] Why did you remove this????? | Supplementaries | Page 1

tawdry condor Mar 29, 2026, 5:32 PM

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I don't see the reason why you removed so many entries if framed blocks is installed, i really wanted to get everything, i also use create: copycats plus but it's because framed blocks has some exclusives and copycats plus has other exclusives, i really don't care if you could get the blocks via framed blocks.

I really just wanted to suggest a return to before, but if the answer is no, then i will have to use the last version.

pearl sable Mar 29, 2026, 10:07 PM

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tawdry condor I don't see the reason why you removed so many entries if framed blocks is insta...

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

tawdry condor Mar 30, 2026, 5:15 AM

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pearl sable I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

In the latest update of EveryCompat for 1.20.1, in the changelog there is this: "(EXCLUDED): Excluded some blocks from supported mods if Framed Blocks is installed", and in game a ton of entries disapeard, so i said why did you do this, and suggested a return to before.

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 6:45 AM

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@proven olive ?

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 6:53 AM

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i see.

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@tawdry condor i'll add a config to disable this.

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it was a request for someone who wanted it for a good reason

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it's a long story

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which version?

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nvm. it's on 1.20.1

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Done.

Added in v2.9.19. I'll do same for 1.21.1

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the blacklist for EC's blocks when framed_blocks is installed, it will be disabled by default.

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so you don't have to do anything. you can use the latest version and play it as is

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:03 AM

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proven olive it's a long story

i want to know

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config for this is a terrible idea

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why was it even added

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its mega sus

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:03 AM

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it's in UnsafeDisablerConfigs

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2 reasons.

Framed blocks has similar blocks to what EC and other 2 addons supported.

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you can place the WoodType, StoneType, or MetalType to get the exactly same block as EC's blocks

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:04 AM

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doesnt framed blocks just add copycats blocks?

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:04 AM

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it's not just blocks. there are stairs. slabs. and a lot more

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:05 AM

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like you can place a framed stairs then place planks on it to be like an oak stairs

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that doesnt mean we should remove oak stairs from the game

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:05 AM

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and 2nd reason: this is to reduce the amount of EC's blocks with framed_blocks for a modpack. it was a request from 2 modpack DV

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:05 AM

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you see where im going?

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:05 AM

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yeah i get your point

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:05 AM

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proven olive and 2nd reason: this is to reduce the amount of EC's blocks with framed_blocks ...

they can use the unsafe module disabler thing

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:05 AM

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that's why i put it in UnsafeDisablerConfigs

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:05 AM

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if they REALLY have to

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even with that on it makes stuff inconsistent as vanila stairs would have all variants and some modded stuff wont

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anyways if its in that config people shouldnt use thats fine but tbh dont bothering listening to these requests,

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:07 AM

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hmm.

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i've got requests from people. but some of them i had to denied for a good reason. not surprised.

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:08 AM

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i dont know the whole story but to me sounds like somebody asked you
"can you make the mod behave inconsistently when that mod is on just because im too lazy to manually tweak the configs myself"

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:08 AM

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yeah i just realized that now

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:09 AM

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so its like a sort of downgrade to the mod plus a waste of time when user could have just spent 10 more second of their own time instead of making an issue

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:09 AM

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the list for framed_blocks are like a dozen keywords... not many users are good with regex. otherwise they would have used that config

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they would have wasted like 1 to 2 hours tweaking the config to blacklist blocks that Framed blocks already have

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:10 AM

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yeah but like they can just flick 20 configs manually

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anyways in the other config having this thats fine

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no need to change since its there

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:11 AM

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yea. that's why i decided it's fine. but you should have heard the requests that i had to deny, tho

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ha. some of them are related to textures. i had to tell them to that they can make a custom texture and put it in a resource pack.

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and yeah you get the idea.

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:11 AM

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but for the future its not worth it spoonfeeding users like that for requests that objectively make the mod behave more inconsistent (with my stairs example, having all blocks on IS objectively the more consistent and correct outcome)

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:12 AM

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and what are the chance that a user would use oak on a framed_blocks' stair?

considering the resource to make a oak_stair and using a oak_plank on a framed_block's stair

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which is a waste of resource.

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most of time. users won't bother with that. but framed_blocks are meant for users to have stairs, pillars, slab. when other wood mods or metal mod don't even have them

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you should know there are some mods that add a new blocktype that doesn't even have slab or stairs. very few mods.

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anyway, if you would like. i can let u know about the requests i got from people. and that issue where one user asked for if EC can be updated to "1.21.11" and i knew the answer would be "no". so i don't know what was the reason.. so i left it to you. and

yup. you answered "no" but provided why

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i know how to say no, tho. anyway.

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@pearl sable ☝️

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:23 AM

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proven olive and what are the chance that a user would use oak on a framed_blocks' stair? ...

like thats an issue with framed blocks

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it it creates duplicates blocks for stairs and fences

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since it does even have them for vanilla which DOES have all that stuff

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which one would consider not needed. should vanilla stuf be removed too?

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 7:25 AM

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oh ok hold on.

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EC created like 100 blocks/stairs/slab for what 10 blocktypes?

framed_block create 1 blocks/stairs/slab which can be used with 10 blocktypes.

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u see the difference?

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i trust that you are aware that EC use some of resources for these blocks/stairs/slabs

pearl sable Mar 30, 2026, 7:35 AM

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yeah but that would include vanilla blocks

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like if FB adds a framed stairs you are removing EC stairs

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which i see why one would want

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but

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its objectibely inconsisntet since by that logic you shouldnt have vanilla stairs either

tawdry condor Mar 30, 2026, 11:57 AM

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just to add onto this, i read the messages, and i agree with the fact that if people ask for you to remove stuff that could be disabeled via config it's because they're lazy.

proven olive Mar 30, 2026, 10:14 PM

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that's a fair point. I got some enlightenment from this discussion. thanks for this.

frigid mulch Mar 31, 2026, 6:26 AM

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one thing i wanna point out is with framed blocks specifically, is while yeah, it would help to have less blocks, it's more work to get the framed blocks since you have to craft them, place them, then use a full block to change the look, instead of just crafting stairs/ slabs, also for slabs specifically, they use 1 full block for each slab, instead of 2 slabs per block, so it's a waste of resources too. there's reasons to use framed blocks but to force the usage of them kinda is just not good. i can see removing stuff if another mod adds it explicitly though

proven olive Mar 31, 2026, 6:36 AM

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it's more work to get the framed blocks since you have to craft them, place them, then use a full block to change the look,
that's a good point. I figured it would be more work.

also for slabs specifically, they use 1 full block for each slab, instead of 2 slabs per block, so it's a waste of resources too.
that's exactly why i pointed this out.

framed-blocks & EC (plus the 2 addons) have pros and cons. but it's up to DEV who make the modpack decide how to use them.

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to force the usage of them kinda is just not good
yup I realized my mistake.

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at least, i can update/improve EC regarding framed_blocks more further

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so it won't become an issue in the future

#[EC] Why did you remove this?????