University of Michigan (UMich) (2024-2025)

[west otter]

Ik i put gt as hard target (mich was regular target js based on stats/school history/legacy), rejects were mit/penn. rd is pretty much all reach for me

[mystic ibex]

you were rejected MIT EA?

That’s wild

Legacy makes sense ig

But GT is never hard target(always reach)

[mystic ibex]

Prolly some red flag that wasn’t present for gt

Hopefully your RD works out

[eternal flame]

wishing you all the best brother. hoping youll make it out man 🫶

[west otter]

Nah but deferred pretty much = rejection

[west otter]

Lets pray that rd’s good on all of us 🙏

[mystic ibex]

I mean yeah sure dude but it’s MIT

Nothing to cry about at all

[mystic ibex]

Yeah bro like most of my rd decisions come out within 3 days of each other

Besides stevens

[west otter]

Yh and all at like the end of march

Oh shit thats only like a month now

[mystic ibex]

Yeah dude

You applied northwestern I assume

[dawn basin]

Do you think that’s also true for ce/cs?

[honest bramble]

I really don't know. I know U of I is a strong option for CS, that's it

[mystic ibex]

Me personally

If you have UIUC or something

Not sure if mich is worth that much over it

I’m still deciding myself

[ripe temple]

I wouldn't risk it

200k+ debt for an undergrad degree is insane

I understand the career you want to consider, but putting yourself in that position would limit yourself in so many choices, financially and not.

[native hare]

@ripe temple r u in engineering

[ripe temple]

Yes

[native hare]

how has your michigan experience been socially

[ripe temple]

Great

[native hare]

is the engineering workload not too insanely heavy

[ripe temple]

It's how you manage it and the classes you take, but the engineering workload is usually a lot.

[native hare]

would you take any other school over ur experience at mich given u could go back

[ripe temple]

I mean I like where I am so no not really. I'd imagine the same could be said for other people that go to other schools.

[native hare]

oh also

if i can ask what type of engineering r u

[ripe temple]

Computer Engineering

[native hare]

perfect

i assume u have alrdy done ur internships and stuff

i really want mich and am just sorting out the financials but i plan on going into a tech adjacent role

do you know of any nonengineering majors i could take up at a uni of similar caliber that might get me into the same position/field

[ripe temple]

What tech adjacent role are you looking into?

I mean, there's just so many

[native hare]

idrc but i was thinking microelectronics

what are you planning on going into

[ripe temple]

Yeah...that kind of field is pretty much a must for you to do EE or CE

Or to have the experience for such

Why consider a non engineering major for that career?

[native hare]

mich is very expensive but i want the opportunities that the brand name will give me in business/tech roles

i got a full ride to unc but they unfortunately have a very weak engineering program

[ripe temple]

The career of microelectronics and many engineering careers is not solely dependent on the strength and reputation of a engineering university

Plenty of great engineers come from not so reputable colleges

Me, personally, it would make better sense to go for the full ride UNC, or go for NCSU

Affordability is key here. As great as Michigan is, our brand name, like many other universities, is not worth to put yourself at great financial risk

It's also important that UNC's EE or CE program is ABET-Accredited

[native hare]

im not only interested in microelectronics though. if im being honest it was the first thing that came to mind. i just really want to study engineering and want to start off w ~80-90k which michigan nearly promises

[ripe temple]

Michigan doesn't promise that salary. Salary data varies a lot from multiple factors, such as location, low sample size, and more. We show that we have those salaries, and a great amount do, but salary data is not something to look into as they vary from multiple factors to consider

You also gotta remember plenty of others from not so well known engineering schools get similar salary ranges

[dawn basin]

Unfortunately didn’t get uiuc or Purdue but got into Michigan cs, but yeah hard decision to make

[ripe temple]

As said, most engineering roles are not school brand-related heavy. It's all about the work experience you gain, as well as the connections you have (which Michigan has an advantage of for sure, but so do plenty of other colleges).

[ripe temple]

I do not recommend anyone getting into 200k debt for any undergrad degree

As good as our CS program is, no school is worth 200k debt to go for

[native hare]

the closest to engineering I can get at UNC is studying math/physics, which is why im hesitant to commit to UNC. i really want engineering, and a college experience to pair with it. believe me, im extremely mindful of graduating w debt and will not levy a burden like that on my parents. im in the midst of figuring out how to appeal my aid offer so i can make mich work.

most of what im doing now is researching the career paths ill lose out on if i dont invest in a michigan engineering education

[ripe temple]

Is there no other engineering school? I'm assuming you're from NC so why not NCSU?

[native hare]

im from ny

[ripe temple]

Oh same. Buffalo? Stony Brook? Binghamton? City College?

[native hare]

im immature and cant bring myself to stay instate

😭

are you from michigan

sorry i dont want to be too invasive

[ripe temple]

No I'm from NYC. And, unfortunately, there comes a time where you need to make the choice and limit your wants

When it comes to affordability, unfortunately some wants are not as achievable.

With Michigan aid, unfortunately given you're OOS, appealing doesn't work as well.

I got lucky enough to go to Michigan for free through scholarships, but I'm one of the lucky few.

[native hare]

so as far as computer engineering, what field are you hoping to enter

[ripe temple]

Embedded Systems but tbh I'm still undecided

[native hare]

no chance of a math major breaking in?

[ripe temple]

There's just so much stuff in the electronics field that is essentially must for you to have a EE or CE degree. Maybe physics but even that's difficult

If you're doing math, you can maybe look into more cs-related fields.

[native hare]

oh also since we’re having this convo it might be appropriate to ask: if i pursue math or physics will i likely have to go to grad school

ive been setting myself up for an undergraduate engineering degree so im clueless when it comes to career paths in math

[ripe temple]

I honestly have no clue. You'd probably have to ask this somewhere else

[native hare]

i see

well thanku for all ur help

i will most likely be directing my michigan-related questions to you over the next few months in this chat 🙏

[mystic ibex]

No purdue but into michigan? Wild

[dawn basin]

Yeah because I heard Michigan was harder to get into for cs than Purdue, was surprising for sure

I got deferred though not full out rejected so I’m hoping it comes through as a yes eventually

[mystic ibex]

are u bay area

I feel like purdue defers a lot of bay area cs applicants

[dawn basin]

Nope east coast

Maybe essays weren’t good? Although I felt like my Purdue ones were better than Michigan tbh

[mystic ibex]

don't sweat it

you'll prolly get in rd

[dawn basin]

Thanks! Hoping so, seems like really good value

[honest bramble]

i need umich ross

[mystic ibex]

did you get deferred

I need GT lmao

defer accept pipeline trust

[honest bramble]

yes and got accepted to uva oos

only got rejected from uchi nyu stern and ut austin

[ripe temple]

Me (I go there)

[summer shore]

Me

[latent flower]

How do i withdraw my application

[spiral crescent]

go to ur portal, press view on ur application, scroll down to the button that says withdraw ur application

[rose sentinel]

Yes thank you for your service

Giving us deferred/RD folks some hope

[latent flower]

There’s no difference I can make anyways

They already deactivated my application and changed it to a transfer application so im js tryna withdraw that one

[rose sentinel]

Oop

Eh still better than nothing I guess?

[latent flower]

Nah cus they require me to have transferrable credits and the university i was in has a foundation year as your first year meaning none of the courses are transferable

I tried explaining my situation but they hit me with the “sounds like a you problem”

[rose sentinel]

Ouch that sucks

[latent flower]

I mean i got into a T30 that was my only concern I don’t really have a “dream” school I literally did my research a day before the application ended

[dry spruce]

did anyone get this?

when. applying rd?

[uncut narwhal]

Everyone.

[dry spruce]

okay thanks!

[ebon wind]

preferred admission to ross update for anyone?

[empty axle]

fridays at 5pm only

[tawdry sandal]

Was this sent out for other majors beside ROSS?

Or just ROSS applicants

[cobalt smelt]

yes they send it to all RD

[cobalt smelt]

they send also for LSA

[crude nacelle]

at michigan can you apply for in state housing cost after attending there for a year?

[ripe temple]

In state housing cost?

They're usually the same whether it's in state or OOS

[crude nacelle]

oh what

i thought it was cheaper

oops

so is everything the same cost whether you’re an instate/OOS

[ripe temple]

No, tuition and fees are way more OOS

[crude nacelle]

so after a year of going to mich, would i be considered for the instate costs

[ripe temple]

Nope

[crude nacelle]

and then get cheaper tuition/fee

damn

ok

ty

[supple girder]

lol if it were that easy most ppl would somehow bare the first year cost and attend

in literally any uni

[crude nacelle]

oh i thought it was like that cusmy friend whos going to GSU said that he could do that for his housing

so i was wondeirng if it was the same for mich

[ripe temple]

There's different rules for colleges and states in determining in state tuition. I suggest researching "[college name] residency eligibility" to see more on these residency rules these state colleges have. But for the vast majority, and quite a vast amount, doing what you thought of wouldn't work out, including Michigan.

[vital nova]

Does anyone know when RD's expected to come out?

[ripe temple]

Most likely March 31st

But they stated late March

[vital nova]

Dang really making us wait 😭😭

[ripe temple]

Mhm, that's what happens when you have an extreme amount of applications

[vital nova]

I love how a 5 minute difference in the submission time ended up pushing back my result by almost a quarter of a year 😓

[ripe temple]

If that's what happened to you, then that's unfortunate but that's how life goes as well.

[vital nova]

(My own dumb fault, still funny tho)

[vital nova]

Oh yeah! I'm not upset about it, just laughing at myself

[ripe temple]

I wouldn't worry about it tbh. Thankfully Michigan doesn't give any advantage with EA (unless Ross maybe idk). Only disadvantage is you might not get potential scholarships you could've gotten if you applied EA

[vital nova]

Ooh got it thank you!

Do you know if RD students are still considered for honors?

[ripe temple]

Uh idk but I'd assume so. I would still check though

If they don't explicitly say that, then there's your answer

[vital nova]

Got it, thank you!

[wild pier]

How cooked am I if I haven’t done to loci yet if I was deferred

Is it fine if i submit it close to the deadline

[empty axle]

is ross trolling me

why have they still not given a preferred admission decision

[native hare]

me too

@empty axle r u lsa

[empty axle]

no engineering

[empty axle]

"ross preferred admission is coming out early-mid feburay" such liars 🤦‍♂️

[native hare]

im also engineering

[tacit nimbus]

Do you know when it comes out

[empty axle]

well it only comes out fridays at 5pm est

but who knows what friday thatll be

atp😭

[tawdry sandal]

hm weird

haven't gotten it yet

[broken lagoon]

rd results came put

my friend said he got rejected

is it true?

or am i tripping cuz my other friend still has to write his loci

[fossil bison]

yes

[broken lagoon]

ah okay

[mental elk]

when?/

wtf\

[mental elk]

i think ur tripping bro

i have no RD result

and im still writing my loci

[wild pier]

Lmao same

[supple girder]

Checked my portal, nothing

Heard they release rd decisions in late march

[normal dune]

😭

[latent flower]

sup

[twin vault]

Proof?

No shot they send out decisions this early

[lusty shoal]

its def cap

[outer mural]

has to be what

[broken lagoon]

bro

[broken lagoon]

my friend said

so i asked

[mental elk]

hes capping

either that or he got rejected EA

[broken lagoon]

why would homie cap abt being rejected

lemme ask him for proof

[mental elk]

yea thats true

he probably got rejected EA

[main lava]

i thought they deferred everyone

[broken lagoon]

he applied rd

[supple girder]

Maybe he withdrew

[mental elk]

how does he have a decision

[mental elk]

yeah that's likely

[broken lagoon]

messaged him let’s see

[main lava]

ya cuz i havent even submitted my loci

[mental elk]

same

it's still cooking

[supple girder]

umich is gonna think i’m crazy after they realize i aint sending a loci 💀

[broken lagoon]

where did u get in

they prob would think u got into a better school

and don’t want them

so reject u

it doesn’t matter

[mental elk]

well lowkey

[supple girder]

Lol i lost interest in umich after seeing oos tuition. If they were gonna give me a merit scholarship they would have accepted during ea itself ig

Atp i wanna see the decision just for my own satisfaction

[empty axle]

ya umich does not do that 😭

[rose sentinel]

UMich sometimes puts out ea decisions in waves

Deferred EA I mean

So it's possible they got a result

But most people won't get one

Until end of March

[slate minnow]

if they are in waves this year i will rejoice

SMTD is in waves for RD

[gray aurora]

ooh what major are you

i was an smtd applicant last year

[slate minnow]

i applied to LSA but i know someone who got into SMTD and is gonna play trumpet

[gray aurora]

yea smtd doesn’t follow a normal release schedule bc they don’t have EA and there’s several app stages

[jovial condor]

early april

[barren stag]

early april 💀

who does umich think they are bruh

we got decisions to make 😭

[outer mural]

they let you write ur apps till the first of february

😭😭

that’s more than generous

[barren stag]

no not that

early april

😭

they should push it forward bruh

[outer mural]

no but that’s my point

how are they going to effectively look at applicants

if they’re due in march

that’s two months only

most schools need 3-4

[barren stag]

arghhgghg

[lusty shoal]

Maybe a bigger team!

[gray aurora]

"by [this date]" rarely actually means decisions will come out on said date

itll likely come out late march

[reef remnant]

remember dont come to umihc

[reef remnant]

fr

withdraw ur app

mid ass college in the mid ass west anyways

[urban compass]

why 🙏 please enlighten

its my top choice rn

[fossil nimbus]

this guy is gatekeeping

[reef remnant]

ur simping for berkeley

berkeley has better weather

better men/women

better money

[urban compass]

i need to get into berkeley first

[fossil nimbus]

i can vouch for this one specifically

[urban compass]

which is 0 chance bc eecs

[reef remnant]

oh

yea

ur cooked

[urban compass]

ty guys

[reef remnant]

just become a humanities major?

idk

[fossil nimbus]

how about majoring in something that involves touching grass?

[urban compass]

💀 too late to switch now

[reef remnant]

marry rich instead

get yourself a rich eecs man

or woman

[urban compass]

ill be the rich eecs sigma

(cope)

[fossil nimbus]

i do this

[urban compass]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[reef remnant]

umich is mid

[urban compass]

if i had free will i wouldve done either applied math or smthn pre-law

[fossil nimbus]

applied math

good

very good

[urban compass]

2nd choice major

[reef remnant]

are you californian

[urban compass]

yes

[reef remnant]

yea do not come here bro

just go to ucsd

[urban compass]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-girls-trip-gif-11261715

[reef remnant]

ucsb

uc anything bruh

[fossil nimbus]

go to uci

[reef remnant]

i would die to go to ucsd

ong

[fossil nimbus]

umich does not have seaside bakery

[urban compass]

abgs ❤️

[reef remnant]

ucsd rejected me its so sad

!!

[ripe temple]

Thank the lord we don't

[fossil nimbus]

the fuck you mean

i want that here

[reef remnant]

seaside bakery is like the new hollywood of gen z

it is the factory of the new culture

i wish we had seaside bakery

but of course everything in michigan produces mid things

[ripe temple]

No, that shit leads to a huge increase of stereotypical annoying ass Asians that be saying "ABGS ABGS"

[reef remnant]

we dont get into the haute coutre gen z content creation

[ripe temple]

We have enough of those bums already

[reef remnant]

we cannot compete with socal

[fossil nimbus]

i want more

[ripe temple]

Then go to California. Michigan ain't for the ABG culture 💀 💀 . Better yet, there's probably some clubs here that probably do have that

[fossil nimbus]

you think i'm not trying

i would have went to ucsb if it did not cost 60k/year

[reef remnant]

aint u from ny bruh

[ripe temple]

? You're not from Cali?

[reef remnant]

hes from ny

[fossil nimbus]

no

[ripe temple]

I am from NYC and even we don't have that disgusting ass ABG shit

[reef remnant]

NYC asians dont know how to express themselves

L

[fossil nimbus]

yeah you got all the columbia/nyu internationals

basically the equivalent

[ripe temple]

Buddy we express ourselves better than to be clones of each other

Unlike a certain group

[reef remnant]

socal asians are not repressed by a whitewashed environment

[ripe temple]

Buddy thinks there's only Columbia and NYU 💀 💀

[reef remnant]

it is truly a renaissance of asian culture down in socal

[fossil nimbus]

what

[reef remnant]

you just hate them cuz you cant be them

[fossil nimbus]

stony brook is not relevant

other schools are not relevant

rutgers is kinda relevant but they got no one

that's why i didn't go

[ripe temple]

Buddy y'all are known as the Asian version of white culture 💀 💀

Like you cannot be talking whitewashed environment

[reef remnant]

not something for a new yorker to say bruh

east coast asians are like washed^2

[ripe temple]

I mean I'm an Asian too so I would know

[reef remnant]

i would know too

[ripe temple]

You're not Asian?

[reef remnant]

im asian

[ripe temple]

No?

[urban compass]

i love to see 3 umich students yapping about college apps like theyre not alr in umich together

[fossil nimbus]

self-hating

[urban compass]

js graduate atp

[reef remnant]

????

[urban compass]

is it feasible to graduate in 3 years btw

[fossil nimbus]

yes

[ripe temple]

That's the Michigan Culture. We're haters online, lovers irl (I don't know any of these guys)

[urban compass]

yippee

[ripe temple]

You're not Asian. Give up.

[fossil nimbus]

pull up to diag right now for a fight

[ripe temple]

Can't lil bro I got 2 exams tomorrow

We can do Wednesday

[outer mural]

why are we the same

i would’ve done that

[fossil nimbus]

right now?

[reef remnant]

you are lucky this is a2c bruh

[urban compass]

this is why we are both getting into cmu trust

[fossil nimbus]

ok go to fishbowl

[barren stag]

ok shush it

[fossil nimbus]

bro does not know

unfortunate

[ripe temple]

Should I get Korean wings, pizza, or Chinese food

[fossil nimbus]

none because they all bad in ann arbor

[reef remnant]

because ann arbor is a shit city

[ripe temple]

Eh, I like the Korean wings here. There's certainly only one good option that I like compared to NYC having so much

[reef remnant]

glazed by white people because some people can throw balls

[ripe temple]

Chinese sucks though definitely

Also pizza is alright

[reef remnant]

pizza is such an awful food

it is the amalgamation of mankind's greatest sins

[ripe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-the-wall-gif-25370159

[reef remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/fw-you-not-a-single-one-fw-you-earth-exploding-earth-fire-hating-gif-18045756379992673521

[ripe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-speech-speech-bubble-gif-15216029234956668966

[fossil nimbus]

@ripe temple what midterms

[ripe temple]

EECS 367 and 427

[reef remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

ce majors

[fossil nimbus]

shit bro

sounds life-ending

[ripe temple]

You're one to talk 💀 💀

[ripe temple]

What isn't atp

[fossil nimbus]

everyone is like that bro

everyone has at least one doppelganger here

[ripe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/little-giants-muscles-flex-body-gif-8166629236823965332

[reef remnant]

i have no doppelganger because no one can eat a 12" subway like i do bruh

[ripe temple]

Yeah cause no one's eating subway nasty ahh 💀 💀

[reef remnant]

you are from nyc

i dont want to hear it bruh

[ripe temple]

Yeah we have FOOD

[reef remnant]

doesnt beat socal

LOL

[ripe temple]

Socal when Food (it's all just noodles)

[reef remnant]

NYC people when they have rat hair in their food

[ripe temple]

Socal Asians smh

[reef remnant]

(its a delicacy)

[fossil nimbus]

tacos are more popular lowk

[reef remnant]

clearly hasnt been to socal

[ripe temple]

Socal Asians when their food isn't as hot as their wildfires 😡 🔥

[reef remnant]

socal is where the world's biggest melting pot is

[ripe temple]

Not really

[reef remnant]

nyc cant come close to emulating the melting pot of socal buddy

[ripe temple]

It's definitely #2 though

[fossil nimbus]

melting pot but socal just has more baddies

[ripe temple]

Eh, most of the internet and popular opinion agrees NYC is the melting pot for food

[fossil nimbus]

add more of that in the pot

[reef remnant]

nyc is too busy gentrifying neighborhoods to have REAL culture

[fossil nimbus]

nyc please do that

[ripe temple]

LMAO AINT NO WAY YOU SAYING THAT. LA IS ON THAT SHIT TOO

[reef remnant]

ad populum fallacy bro

[ripe temple]

Nah, you just can't accept reality

LA is just #2 in food

[reef remnant]

nah you are coping

[fossil nimbus]

i am leaving

goodbye

[ripe temple]

Can't be saying that when you hating on popular opinion

[reef remnant]

popular opinion elected the current president

checkmate LIBERAL

[ripe temple]

No, electoral college elected the current president

[reef remnant]

facts and logic

[urban compass]

i wonder what id be like if election was based on popular vote tho

[reef remnant]

take that LIBERAL

[fossil nimbus]

if bro really is from california he's cooked

[reef remnant]

ad populum fallacy haters when ad populum fallacy is real

[ripe temple]

Electoral college still determines the president.

Fact check that LIBERAL

Also, GOOGLE LITERALLY AGREES

[fossil nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[reef remnant]

even if it wasnt electric cabbage blud still won

CHECKMATE LIBERAL

my point stands

this is why popular opinion != truth

[fossil nimbus]

my heart goes out to all of you

[barren stag]

🤓

[safe dragon]

anyone hace suggestsions for umich loci....

lol

[reef remnant]

withdraw your app lil bro

(unless ur instate)

[summer shore]

I just yapped

About new awards and stuff

And then talked about a course and a club

But Michigan is kinda low on my list so I didn’t make it crazy

[normal dune]

do i need a loci i haven’t done anything crazy in the past 22 days

[strange viper]

if you really want to go then i would still send one in, just to let them know you're definitely still interested and would go

[ripe temple]

An LOCI is just a letter to express any further interests you have for the school and, if you do have the ability to update them on anything major, then awesom, update them about it. If you don't have anything to update, dw about it, just continue to show your continued interest for the school

[wild pier]

did you have to write an ECI

[ripe temple]

No, I got admitted EA 3 years ago so never needed to

[wild pier]

Tough

[wild pier]

Can highschool seniors potentially get guaranteed spring transfer

[ripe temple]

Never heard about it so can't say

[main lava]

did everyone get money from umd

[latent flower]

I got presidents scholarship

[proud crow]

I know this is a joke, but genuinely why would anyone ever withdraw an application unless they’re contractually obligated to

It’s literally purely a net negative

[plush tangle]

so they can open spots for other people 🙏

[proud crow]

Ah, ever the altruist

[thorn ingot]

how do you check

[mystic ibex]

It’s in ur email

Basically everyone gets presidents scholarship but the amount varies

[thorn ingot]

is it only for in state students

[urban compass]

no

i got oos

[mystic ibex]

no I got it oos

[strange viper]

does anyone know how to withdraw your application from um flint? i keep getting emails from them on my umich. edu account and i can’t find a link on their website anywhere. i also don’t know where my acceptance letter is so that doesn’t help

[safe fjord]

Email/call them?

[flint oriole]

is anyone else's eci form super slow to submit?

could be because it's right before the deadline tho lol

[high vault]

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https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-receivesrecord-numberof-applicationsfor-fall-2025/#02272025

[barren stag]

115000 😭

[supple girder]

Bye umich its been nice having hope 💀

[dense stone]

cooked 💀

[barren stag]

lol

[main lava]

What time

Is the LOCI due

tn at 11:59

or tmr 11:59

[strange viper]

tomorrow i believe

[ebon wind]

when does preferred admission come out

[mental elk]

Is the LOCI deadline today or tomorrow

today being 28th february

and what time is it due on either day

ok it's tomorrow

[mental elk]

oh bet

i have time

to write it then

[reef remnant]

don’t come

[strange viper]

why whats so bad abt umich

[reef remnant]

It’s mid

mid weather

Mid west

unless ur a Michigander

Or Alabaman

or like Mississippians

[ripe temple]

They're a Californian. They didn't understand what cold weather is like. Happens to the worst for Californians.

[barren stag]

Lol

[empty axle]

is ross preferred admissions okay

why have I just been ghosted every week

[fair wasp]

if I want to send an update with my second trimester grades do I just upload it as supp material on the portal?

[stark veldt]

Is the LOCI due tmrw or today

It says due by March 1st idk what that means

[barren stag]

no idea

[civic orbit]

It means by 11:59pm EST on March 1st

If it says March 1st

[keen jungle]

Are u sure EST

If it is then I’ll be okay e

[civic orbit]

EST is their timezone

So it’s always safe to assume

[mental elk]

I clicked the button, it took me to a 'submitted' page, and I immediately got an email saying it had been submitted

And I'm a lot closer to the deadline rn than you were then

So idk

[slate minnow]

i asked my regional admissions counselor and she said march 1st at 11:59 est

[distant mica]

Man this being only 250 words sucks

[slate minnow]

i'm kinda glad because i get to be vague

[distant mica]

Fair but I have a lot to say ☹️

[keen jungle]

thanks 🙂

[fair wasp]

does this mean if my counselor sends my second tri grades it won't be considered?

[barren stag]

yes thats what it means

[muted shale]

oh shit 5pm est ☠️

[jade viper]

my loci so ahh 😭

[barren stag]

i agree

same

[twin vault]

imma just take my ut waitlist letter

and slap a few change on it

[slate minnow]

just submitted my ECI 😋

[muted shale]

is it okay to say "you" in the ECI?

as in like

"thank you for considering my application"

idk if this was supposed to be treated exactly like a loci or a little different

[jade viper]

i did, prolly not that deep

[crude nacelle]

anyone have an example email of asking for more money

[indigo galleon]

i didn't even submit

😭😭

[distant mica]

When do RD decisions come out usually?

[latent flower]

Early April

what was the acceptance rate last year?

also does summer start have different acceptance rate than fall start?

[oblique turret]

march 31st

thats how it was for me last year and i got an email around 3pm

[uncut narwhal]

It’ll be 13% this year

[latent flower]

115k apps this year

so that means they admit approx 15k ppl damn

[uncut narwhal]

Yea

[latent flower]

how do u know it will be 13% this year

[spiral crescent]

based on their yield rate

their historical yield is steady at around 50%, so they will admit 15k people in order for half of those people to enroll

15k/115k is 13%

[safe fjord]

https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/factsfigures/firstyearsprofile_umaa_2024_10-22-24.pdf

[inland yarrow]

how did applications double in one year 💀

are they including transfer and grad admissions???

[wild pier]

Where did it double?

[inland yarrow]

this yr its 115k

wait

i cant read

lmao

[wild pier]

Lol

Ur good

[ripe temple]

The 115k applications included first year and transfer applicants

[twin vault]

i forgot to submit a loci

its fine tho

80k tuition is hell no

[wild pier]

Thats still ~110000 first year kids

Insane

[dawn basin]

Hey does anyone know if financial aid and scholarships have been released yet for ea applicants?

[spiral crescent]

i got mine

they sent an email

you can also go the like wolverine access and look for your finanial aid stuff

[strange viper]

yeah i got mine a few days after i submitted my css in feb. make sure youre checking your umich email bc i thought they would send it to the email i applied with and didn't see it for 20 days 😭

[potent inlet]

Did any of yall get a handwritten letter from your regional AO?

[dawn basin]

Oh, how do you see your umich email?

[tacit nimbus]

Yes.

[tacit nimbus]

The Joseph Geisenger scholarship sent an email to recipients earlier today.

[dawn basin]

Were students that applied automatically considered for that? And did it send it to a umich email or the one that you applied with

[tacit nimbus]

Students had to apply separately to this scholarship. I found it through the College of Engineering scholarships page. Most of these scholarships’ deadlines have passed by now though—I believe the LEAD scholars program at Michigan is open for its second round though so I suggest you submit something for that soon. The notice was sent to my personal email since I haven’t committed yet.

[dawn basin]

Ok thank you

[strange viper]

have you created a friend account yet? if not, go to your portal bc there should be steps on how to create one, and from there you will gain access to your umich email

[uncut narwhal]

Damn when

[tacit nimbus]

About a week after EA results.

Maybe 2 or 3 weeks I’m not sure.

[upbeat marsh]

115k applicants this year???

wtf that's crazy

[timid relic]

Do yall know RD decision date

[normal dune]

according to the a2c website, speculated on the 28th

or 21st

[hybrid flicker]

all the tiktoks glamorizing big10 life (not big10 a2c college counselor extraordinare lol)

[timid relic]

Okay thanks

[gray aurora]

big10 schools are great if you want academic rigor and great athletics

[crude nacelle]

is it too late to apply for scholarships

[urban raptor]

How do u even apply for scholarship

[spiral crescent]

mich has some school specific scholarships you can apply for

[spiral crescent]

check the deadlines

[urban raptor]

Well gotta getin first

[spiral crescent]

well when u apply ur considered for merit scholarships then if u get in there are also school specific scholarships you can apply for

[urban raptor]

Yeah but I got deferred

[stark fable]

any tips for the lsa honors prompt?

Utilize an AI text generator to write an essay on the topic “Why is the LSA Honors Program a good fit for me?”

Provide us with that essay and in the same document, write your own essay discussing whether or not that AI-generated essay accurately captures your desire to participate in the lower-division Honors Program in your first two years of college. Reflect on your personal goals and meaningfully discuss how/why the AI-generated essay captures or doesn’t capture that. Please limit your essay to 750 words. The word count does not include the AI-generated essay.

[wild pier]

wow

very cool prompt

use ai to answer the second question lol

[civic orbit]

Wrote mine a while back, biggest thing is try to stay on topic. I kept trying to drift into a “why the honors program” style of essay, and sometimes forgot about the needing to address the ai part, causing me to restart some sections.

[hybrid flicker]

I honestly have heard the honors program has very limited benefits 😭

[barren stag]

dawg thats not what he asked

💀💀💀

[gray sable]

i got a mail today

i know it says its not indicative of my admission to umich

but how many other people got this mail too

[strange viper]

i think everyone who chose to send their info to flint & dearborn got it, i got it when i applied ea

[spiral crescent]

did anyone get the engineering scholarship of honor

is it different from the victors award

[hybrid flicker]

"dawg" i'm aware, i'm just letting him know it might not even be worth it (as someone who goes in state and has friends in the program)

[hybrid flicker]

you were able to check boxes that let them send your application to both campuses

[barren stag]

dawg🤓🤓🤓

[gray sable]

lmao

[latent flower]

JUST GOT INTO UMICH HONORS

[strange viper]

NICE!!!!!

[latent flower]

Thx!’n

Does anyone here have experiences with the honors program and can tell me their personal experiences with it?

[barren stag]

Sigma

[vital nova]

AYEEE CONGRATS!!!

Wait were you accepted EA??

[tacit nimbus]

It is different. Did you receive it?

[spiral crescent]

yes :)

[tacit nimbus]

That’s absolutely incredible! Congratulations!

The Victors Award is typically disbursed to individuals with low income, whereas the Engineering Honors award is purely merit based.

[latent flower]

Yes!

[vital nova]

NICEEE you ateee!

[grand lintel]

That honors essay is legit killing me

[wild pier]

Did you get into ross?

Nice, instate(

?

Oh thats tough

Idk what

Oh damn

I mean still top 5 program is huge depending on what you wanna do

What were your stats like

[dusky jolt]

does anyone know when rd comes out🙂🙂🙂

[barren stag]

Late march early april

[wintry mountain]

Am I crazy for thinking that Michigan CE is not worth $25k/year total cost of attendance

Everyone around me is telling me it is, but $100k feels like an unfathomable amount of money

[dense stone]

thats cheap

[strange viper]

i mean it all depends on how much your family is willing to support

[dense stone]

even if i had to take 100k in loans, i think itd be worth

return on investment for CE is good

[wintry mountain]

Cheap 😭

My parents aren't helping at all

The thing is I can go to my state flagship for free

[wild pier]

What is it?

[wintry mountain]

Utah

[wild pier]

Go to umich

Its worth 25k a year

Even if you have to take out loans

ROI is great

[wintry mountain]

Hmmm ok

I guess I'll consider it some more

[wild pier]

Yea fs

[wild pier]

Utah state or uni of utah

Utah state i assume right

[rugged spade]

in CE does college prestige even matter that much?

[wild pier]

According to the department of education you’ll make 125k a year based on median earnings

For computer engineering

At umich

Are you getting any money from stanford?

How much from uiuc?

Whats the cost difference

What major?

[rugged spade]

per year or overall?

holy thats 200k over the course of 4 years then

[wild pier]

Hmm

Perhaps

If money is a concern for you and you’re not a prestige “whore” uiuc is great imo

Yea yea but im saying for your situation

Yea

If you ever want to divert from cs tho stanford would provide the best opportunities over uiuc

Also in terms of transitioning and finding other opportunities

[mystic ibex]

For CE and CS college prestige is mattering more and more

But 100k debt is still a lot

Weigh your options

[wild pier]

Nah

I dont think prestige matters for cs

If you know your shit youll be good

[mystic ibex]

In this very competitive market? Yes it does

They increasingly filter by school

[wild pier]

Not rlly plus uiuc being a great school is comparable in some ways for cs

[mystic ibex]

Not comparing UIUC and stanford

Yes

[wild pier]

Yea maybe

Then

I would go umich because i think the roi is justifiable to spend 100k across all 4 years

[tacit nimbus]

Is your state school cheaper?

25K isn’t the same for anyone

I would consult your parents if they’re the ones financing your college education

Get their perspective and see if 25K/yr is reasonable

[broken lagoon]

if you can take a nice low interest loan, the 100k will payout over the rest of his career

🤷‍♂️

[wild pier]

Yh

[tacit nimbus]

25K in loans per year is very difficult

@wintry mountain are you a minority?

[broken lagoon]

not when he gets a good swe role, he can pay it off slowly

[tacit nimbus]

If you qualify you should apply to LEAD Scholars

[broken lagoon]

idk i always believe in betting on one self

🤷‍♂️

[tacit nimbus]

Thats a matter of risk vs reward

I for one am doing Engineering because its safer than business but similarly rewarding

[broken lagoon]

no im saying utah is safe for money, u mich is believing u can land a solid role after

i mean i get ur point too

i was going for that tho

ye but the risk is wayyy lower

in terms if money

true, bro just gotta see his risk appetite

and his goals

[tacit nimbus]

@wintry mountain your parents are not supporting you but the university doesn’t know that. If your family has any medical expenses, integral repairs, special circumstances, etc, you MUST request a “professional judgement” review because that will make the university adjust your aid package. This may help

[broken lagoon]

bro got stanford too??

[tacit nimbus]

I’m not saying that the lack of support will give him more money

I’m suggesting that his family’s circumstances can still be applied to his narrative so he might reap more aid

You’re right that is likely what is happening

I’m so sorry

[wild pier]

What does stanford and political beliefs have to do w each other 😭

[wintry mountain]

Uni of Utah

Sorry I'll read through all these messages lol

[tacit nimbus]

@wintry mountain keep in mind that after your first year you will likely be working a summer internship in NYC/Boston/Chicago areas paying 30K for the summer. This might be able to be contributed to your tuition if your aid package is unaffected

Keep in mind that Michigan has an upper division 15% tuition increase for juniors/seniors, and that this amount already starts off greater than the other Michigan school’s tuition because you would be majoring in engineering

I sincerely hope this works out for you and I greatly empathize with your situation. Good luck!

[wintry mountain]

This is exactly what is happening lol

This is what I was kinda thinking yeah

[wintry mountain]

I hear about internships like this, but how common are they really?

[wintry mountain]

Oof that kinda sucks ngl

[tacit nimbus]

At Michigan Engineering I have no doubt you will get an internship paying 30K

At lesser schools you have to work for those opportunities more often than not. Michigan’s benefit is that the companies will come to you

Right.

[wintry mountain]

Very true very true

[tacit nimbus]

I only say this because I have family who are graduating this year from a lesser known but still reputable engineering school on the East Coast

[wintry mountain]

They do not

Ngl I really hate the uni of utah

[tacit nimbus]

If your parents are immigrants and you can’t take out loans you can get yourself a sponsor through the Director of Scholarships.

[wintry mountain]

Mostly because they heavily discourage engineering undergrads from doing research

Yeah that's what's really driving this, if I liked the U I would go there for free in a heartbeat

[tacit nimbus]

Please make sure you apply to the LEAD scholars program.

[wintry mountain]

But 90 minute commute one way + hostile management (it's not just me, everyone else hates it) makes me really not want to go

[wintry mountain]

Thank you I definitely will ❤️

Not much unfortunately

The only external scholarships I really qualify for are governmental ones

I applied to SMART so if that came through that would be huge

[tacit nimbus]

If your only interest is research ROTC for 3 semesters might be reasonable

[wild pier]

Itll be tricky with the things going on w/the government

[wintry mountain]

Unfortunately looks like LEAD scholars deadline has passed 😭

Yeah that's what I don't like about rotc

[wild pier]

More likely than not itll be more competitive than wver before because of limited spots

[wintry mountain]

It definitely will

[tacit nimbus]

My numbers may be off but 3 semesters = 3 years of serving, which, as an engineer, can be spent in a lab.

[wild pier]

You should apply to some scholarships that nga has. I think its a little easier to get

[tacit nimbus]

No

There is a second round

[wintry mountain]

Can be, but they can assign you anywhere. SMART is guaranteed to be something like a lab which is why I applied to that

Oh I see mb

[tacit nimbus]

Dw

[wintry mountain]

I assumed it was like an essay deadline then a LoR deadline

I misread it though

[tacit nimbus]

I see. I didn’t know this

[wild pier]

@wintry mountain look into the stokes and the geoscholar scholarships

[wintry mountain]

Am I crazy or is there nowhere to apply here

https://alumni.umich.edu/lead-scholars-program/prospective-students/

[wintry mountain]

Definitely will, thanks 🙏

[tacit nimbus]

I’ll see if I can find it but when I was applying I emailed them and they told me the second deadline is April 21st.

[wintry mountain]

Yeah it says on there the second deadline is 4/21

But there's just no section to apply

Maybe they open up after rd releases

Since I should've applied round 1 as an ea admit 💀

[tacit nimbus]

I can’t find it either. There used to be an ‘Apply Now’ button. I would consider emailing them

I was freaking out after EA because Michigan is the dream for studying math and science and getting involved in research all with the college experience in tow. I’m blessed to have received a scholarship large enough to make it just within my range. I really hope it works out for you too because the process of looking for financial recourse levied a considerable amount of stress

Mich is brutal with merit aid but if you get it, then you’ve got a way in. I implore you to seek out demographic scholarships that suit you

[wintry mountain]

Thanks! And I'm glad it worked out for you!

[wintry mountain]

Yeah unfortunately as a white male interested in engineering I don't think I'll have much luck haha. The only demographic scholarship (it was even through UMich) I could find was an engineering scholarship offered to (among other places) Utah students... the deadline was before I received my aid package

[tacit nimbus]

No school is worth an uncomfortable amount of debt, but I’m sure that if you win enough in scholarships you can make due

Good luck

[dawn basin]

You think it’s worth full price for cs?

For roi

It’d probably end up being like 100-120k of loans unfortunately

[random rampart]

yall

did u guys do the continued interst shit

i js copy and pasted my conclusion for one of my essays and called it a day

[jade viper]

Yuh mine was pretty buns

[summer shore]

Yeah, I threw something together

I just yapped about what I’ve done and why I want to attend

[supple girder]

No, my college counselor said it doesnt make a diff cuz i have no updates

[supple girder]

100k+ in undergrad is wild, unless u have no other options I’d say no

Especially in the current job market where u arent guaranteed a high paying job when u graduate

[tawdry sandal]

Of course not

100k in loans + interest?

[hybrid flicker]

In state student here throwing in my two cents as someone who knows multiple people going into CS (in and out of state) also likely paying for their own education because of FIRST Robotics. They're all shooting for UMich (even the kids who already got into the flagship tech school in the state --Michigan Tech-- that offered them so much money it'll be like 25k over 4 years lol). It's because the CS market is becoming heavily reliant on prestige and I consistently hear stories about even kids from UMich unable to find jobs due to oversaturation. Going to the University of Utah or any of your state school will hinder you in regards to connections, and those really make or break your career nowadays in CS as well. However, if you're able to really excel and be at the top of your class, I could see it maybe working out. Umich just has a higher success rate, that's all

Obviously, this is a huge decision. However, I think the ROI is definitely worth it.

Also! Look into your community foundation. Typically any town even rural will have one that hands out scholarships for students, although that might be contingent on attending a preapproved university

[wild pier]

Yea

[dawn basin]

Fair, you think worse jobs than ce?

[dawn basin]

Yeah

[wintry mountain]

Hmmm yeah, I guess that's fair

[supple girder]

wdym

[wintry mountain]

Utah certainly won't make it easy to excel given how much they hate their undergrads 💀

[hybrid flicker]

Yeah so no just go umich

seriously, utah might kill your spark

[supple girder]

maybe consider 2 years of cc n then transfer to unis like umich?

you'd still have debt but not 100k level

[wintry mountain]

Yeah that's what I'm worried about 💀

[hybrid flicker]

cc you'd have to continually wow

like absolutely crush it

[supple girder]

if u got into umich now your prolly rlly smart, as long as u dont slack off you'd def get into a good uni later even if not umich

[hybrid flicker]

true but also, you might end up regretting turning this down

[supple girder]

also true lol

[wintry mountain]

This definitely is a concern I've had though. Since I do dual enrollment there I've basically felt what it's like to be a student every day (I would need to live where I currently am to save on housing anyway) and it's not great

Yeah cc just seems like a really risky route

[hybrid flicker]

just full send

this is the one time in your life, that YOU. truly you. are in charge of your future

yes there's risks, but it's the once in the lifetime opportunity to really just seize it by the horns and full send

nope

umich cs is also gettign more and more competitive

[supple girder]

gotta debate the risks, but u mentioned that even umich students r struggling in the job market. If thats true is 100k worth it?

[wintry mountain]

I'm CE but I'm really leaning into CS

[hybrid flicker]

yes because the success rate is at least still higher

overall

[wintry mountain]

Think like designing compilers to optimize hardware

[hybrid flicker]

no

ish

you get into umich first

[wintry mountain]

I would probably just be doing CSE (ig now that I looked it up)

[hybrid flicker]

then the cs advanced selection

[wintry mountain]

I got admitted to the engineering college then you can pick your major from there

[dawn basin]

Like the job outcomes for cs vs ce or other similar engineering

[hybrid flicker]

okay then wait for some other colles lowkey

[mystic ibex]

ngl it makes 0 difference

umich is 1. top 10 for CE as well

2. they deadass get the same jobs

[wintry mountain]

I guess a CS major in LSA and CoE which is weird

[mystic ibex]

though CE is more versatile so they can do hardware too

👍

[wintry mountain]

Real

[supple girder]

I have no idea tbh, i'm a bio major.

[mystic ibex]

yeah that's the advantage

[hybrid flicker]

just do umich lowkey

[wintry mountain]

You don't even need chem lol

[wintry mountain]

Thanks for the input though 🙏 I'll definitely be talking with my parents over the next few months

[hybrid flicker]

no problem

[wintry mountain]

Yeah it might be like a gen ed or smth

I have a 5 on chem though which I think would cover it

[hybrid flicker]

please don't sacrifice this great opportunity just because of financials. yes it matters, don't let it impact your whole life trajectory

[wintry mountain]

So I would have to take a 200 level chem class ig

I don't mind chem though so it's ok

I guess not lol

Linear Algebra or Multivariable Calc and Vector Calc

If umich let's me transfer credits I'll have my whole core besides the one chem though

Which would be based

✅

Dual enrollment yeah

Aw rip :(

Yeah

I bet the EE track requires more stuff like semiconductor physics though

Ok that's kinda bonkers

Quantum I could maybe see, but thermo?

💀

Yeah I was potentially thinking that earlier

Would save a ton of money

Idk how much will transfer though

Checking their website rn yeah

Oh wait this is actually really nice

They have a whole nice website for it

https://transfercredit.ugadmiss.umich.edu/external

Oh ok that's cool

Yeah I've never heard of it before now

Yeah I'm just looking at there version rn

Looks like all my math, physics, and cs classes would transfer which is 🔥

Even my DE writing classes would transfer?!

Yeah so I could hypothetically graduate in 3 years at umich ig

$75k is still a lot, but much better than $100k

Thank you 🙏

Oh fs

I mean I still have a bunch of colleges I'm waiting on in march but

Yep haha

I work on my local planetarium designing exhibits rn, and it's a job I actually enjoy, so I'm going to crank as many 40 hour weeks as I can during the summer

[dense stone]

ur in state right?

i mean id assume so but id talk to people in cs rn at the university before making any decisions

[dawn basin]

Nope unfortunately

[barren stag]

umich 80k a year is such a turnoff

[dawn basin]

Trying to decide between this for like 80k and umd for like 50k, along with a few other options

Both cs

[barren stag]

if ur middle class ur cooked

[barren stag]

umd cs

[dawn basin]

Yeah I know, really sad

[barren stag]

u dont needa pay another 30k for undergrad a year

😂

as good as umich is

is it really that much more beneficial

[dawn basin]

You think jobs/internships would be comparable?

[barren stag]

umd is solid

u could go research ROI and like research and whatnot

[dawn basin]

But yeah both are definitely great it’s just hard to justify 30k more per year

[barren stag]

agreed

[dense stone]

wait so itd me 320k in total

but u said 100-120k loans

[hybrid flicker]

Not true

[mystic ibex]

Yeah we do

[hybrid flicker]

Upper middle here and did not get cooked

Sincerely me

[mystic ibex]

Imma choose UIUC over mich probably it comes down to it

[barren stag]

"upper"

💀

[mystic ibex]

Though I’m not sure if UIUC is worth over purdue…

Hopefully I get GT RD

[hybrid flicker]

I am…?

[barren stag]

dude if u dont get scholarships or anything ur fucked

[hybrid flicker]

I havent gotten any

[mystic ibex]

Well that’s what the physics c credit is for

[barren stag]

how much do u pay

[hybrid flicker]

My parents own two businesses, I have investments saved

[mystic ibex]

What’s your income

[barren stag]

for total costs

bro

[hybrid flicker]

19k

[mystic ibex]

👍

[barren stag]

EXACTLY

19k

[hybrid flicker]

That’s

Not bad for an Ivy League

[barren stag]

dawg

umich is 80k

💀

[mystic ibex]

Umich barely gives aid to OOS

[barren stag]

and most people dont have 2 businesses or investments

??!

[hybrid flicker]

I’m aware

[mystic ibex]

They genuinely could not care less☠️

[barren stag]

and ur upper middle class 😭

u have more money to spend

[hybrid flicker]

That’s not true

You can’t assume my parents have more to spend just cause of that

[mystic ibex]

How much do your parents earn a year I’m just curious how the aid works

[barren stag]

^^

whats ur SAI then

[hybrid flicker]

Lemme double check but it wasn’t egregious

[mystic ibex]

Bro what are you on about though lol

My SAI is cooked

[barren stag]

?

what

[mystic ibex]

It’s above 100k

[wintry mountain]

Your SAI??

[mystic ibex]

No I mean idk what you’re asking about

[wintry mountain]

Mines like 4450

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Yes

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Not that much esp since the money is into the coporatuin and they only get select amounts

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☠️

[barren stag]

yeah because i was talking to eclipse

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I think my mom makes like 3k a month

[barren stag]

do u get aid

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Yes

Just for tuition

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yeah most middle class dont

bro

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Basically

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u werent cooked because u got aid 😭

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Not for fafsa though

[mystic ibex]

Most middle class does☠️ what

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I only got 5.5k in loans

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What do you consider middle class

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Nate sit your cynical ass down tf

[barren stag]

dude if ur sai is high enough ur not getting anything

[mystic ibex]

Yeah wtf are you on bro

Princeton gives aid under 350k

This is sheer cope

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cope??

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Yes

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the most u get is like 5.5k

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☠️

Dude

[barren stag]

if ur sai is high enough they wont give u anything

but that

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My fafsa was 24571

Since you won’t believe me, buddy.

I got no aid from fafsa

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columbia

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Yeah

Okay

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and u pay $19k

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Your point

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so u got substantial aid

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What’s your incoke

Income

I genuinely don’t understand what the problem is here