University of Pennsylvania (UPenn) (2024-2025)

[tulip otter]

How much would that make up?

[left furnace]

My wharton cohort is like 1/3 athletes

[sweet maple]

LOL

[tulip otter]

So ED acceptance very well could be half for normal students

[left furnace]

This is also a bad sample size. We have 60 ppl in total

[tulip otter]

Yep exactly

[left furnace]

Oh basically, but this is a given at any school

[sweet maple]

i don't know

[tulip otter]

Damm so ED isn’t that much worth it

[left furnace]

Yes ik of him, now unsend!!

[sweet maple]

sweet

guy's a G

[left furnace]

I feel like it's worth it but not that huge of a boost

Worth it in demonstrating your interest

My friends viewed their admissions file and they had a whole thing about your fit with penn

3 criteria rated from 1 to 5, 5 being the highest

[trim yoke]

to me the admissions file was useless

its just like

4 numbers

and thats it

[dapper granite]

thank you everyone who congratualted me :)

[elfin sphinx]

Congratssss

[foggy elk]

YOOOOO

[gloomy cairn]

congratulations!

[foggy elk]

GOOD JOB

Me next yr hello 😭🙏

but i’ll go to penn engineering

…i hope

[elfin sphinx]

yeah, better not have any expectations like I did and then have them crashed

[vernal shadow]

does penn engineering have higher or lower acc rate than CAS?

[foggy elk]

no clue

[rapid minnow]

its the lowest out of any departmen

[tulip otter]

What determines fit for upenn?

Any patterns of the type of person?

[dull escarp]

what’s the acceptance rate rn for a2c

[neat relic]

literally me tbh

[jaunty jetty]

Well this is the poll

Only 3 freaking people got in 😂

Pretty sure there’s more than that tho

[vernal shadow]

but like much lower than smth like CAS?

also, what do you guys think about applying for the AI major?

[clever cypress]

dd anyone get accepted wharton

[lone jetty]

wharton is a massacre

[chrome silo]

fucking massacre

[clever cypress]

Yea I got rejected

Yo I got a question. Here’s the situation my friend got in penn today. If she withdraws her Uchicago EA can it help me considering Uchicago EA comes out tmrw? ( I applied Uchicago btw)

I was also EA

I ed Wharton and got rejected

[turbid imp]

If anyone get this year's data please ping me!!

[misty jewel]

no

[hasty wraith]

if i'm interested in premed/healthcare should i apply school of nursing or cas

[novel egret]

If you want to be a nurse apply to nursing school

[median dew]

go for cas

[twin cargo]

does upenn allow major switching

[foggy elk]

i’m applying AI nedt year

nvm that doesn’t answer ur question sorry

[vernal shadow]

do u think allota people do that? Am I putting my application at disadvantage?

[foggy elk]

i heard that AI doesn’t have many students at upenn and i don’t think ur putting ur application at disadvantage so long as you actually have interest in AI

i mean me personally AI is my passion

[vernal shadow]

yup same, my profile fits it, especially w/ NLP

good to know, thx

[foggy elk]

🫡

[jaunty jetty]

Your user is my fate rn

[foggy elk]

😭😭😭

same

[hearty plinth]

No

[clever cypress]

When do stats release

[night socket]

dont think penn releases stats anymore oh maybe they do idk

[deft prairie]

a2c effect

real defer rate is probably way lower

[trim yoke]

like a lot later

like septemner

[fallow cradle]

Reject gang yay!

Ig im living in the library for the entirety of break

I was acc starting to get my hopes up the closer we got to release 😭 flash bombing woulda been so much better

[signal depot]

I'm cooked

[patent berry]

Yall im an international student who got deferred from Wharton

You think it has anyth to do w Trump policy, unstable geopolitical climate because I’m hearing in my country (Turkey) there are unusually low acceptance rates

0 admits in the whole country for MIT, Stanford, Duke when usually there’s 4-5 we produce some good engineering/cs talent

[wooden needle]

anyone applying to wharton RD or got deferred ED feel free to dm me and ask me anything—i was recently admitted wharton ‘29 (lowkey atypical app w/ no business ECs)

good luck!!

[signal depot]

He's not president now

[signal depot]

congrats

[abstract remnant]

nursing isn't the best premed major tbh

[hearty plinth]

^

[formal stone]

how does data come out that fast

[sweet maple]

defer is good

means they like you

[austere spindle]

i highly doubt its 0 admits

i know some turks here and idt they’d tell me its 0 lol

[tulip otter]

can any college student check my common app essay? I made a quick iteration and i want to see if its better or worse
I changed it cause upenn rejected me fr( just added something better i think)

[silver axle]

did anyone get into m&t

[paper oak]

oh man

[mossy crag]

anyone got into Huntsman?

[plain zealot]

rd wharton time!!!

surely i get in right!!!

[somber tulip]

I did

For Arabic

[mossy crag]

Congratsssss

😍

[plain zealot]

holy shit congratulations!

[deft prairie]

friend got deferred

[patent berry]

MIT Stanford Duke all had 0 admits in ED this year confirmed, all counselors are very tight-knit about this stuff. 3 admits for UPenn but none for Wharton

Can’t be a coincidence

[patent berry]

I’m thinking these liberal colleges are taking precautions for the policies he may put in once he is instated

In 2017 a couple internationals were sent back home due to visa issues despite having full commitment from unis

Anyway it’s interesting to see how it’ll play out this also gives me a slight shot at other unis

I heard from a friend there were 0 Harvard Ed admits from all of China for example

Anyway it’s tough for certain internationals but unis will stay silent probably abt what they’re doing

[signal depot]

yep

[foggy elk]

can intl get scholarships or aid at penn

[thick sphinx]

Yeah you can get aid

They’re need aware tho

[somber tulip]

Thanks!

[naive timber]

wharton time

[olive badge]

ed wharton - reject.
my only silver lining is that out of like 5 people i know applying to penn from my school, i turned out to be the only one to apply wharton. i thought there was one more. but he got cold feet and went cas. i went out with a fight. cas is not good enough for an ed. on to a uchicago ea deferral hopefully

in retrospect probably a bit hubris to ed wharton. we live, we learn

[naive timber]

nah not hubris you tried your best

good job man

[olive badge]

i appreciate it

[austere spindle]

lol

i’ll be so real we don’t need more ppl who think like this anyway so

arggghhh you darn CAS students why did you chicken out and apply for a trash school instead of the GLORIOUS INCREDIBLE wharton like a real man like me 😡 😡

[olive badge]

he is a friend of mine and said literally that. fuck we hating for

if it offends you that i dont find cas worth ed for me personally

then shit, forgot to ask you

[plain zealot]

im doing wharton

im a real man

i think

[naive timber]

is wharton too hard

do they accept from the schools at different percentages and different pools

[plain zealot]

wharton is looking for a more specific student than cas or seas

its also famous so itll be a bit harder off of that

but its looking for a specific type of student

more so than cas or seas

idk vs nursing

[naive timber]

because my friends got into upenn cas ed already

[olive badge]

idk, but wharton was a slaughterhouse this year. tbh my app was probably far from business-y enough

[naive timber]

my main ec is a business but idk if i should apply wharton or just apply cas and take some of the business offerings

[median dew]

I got into Penn cas ED while my friend from the same school who had higher stats got rejected from Wharton

😭

[plain zealot]

dont get me all worried for rd bro 😭

[olive badge]

i have a friend with similar stats but international, got into cas

[plain zealot]

bruh stats are like are we autorejecting you or not

[median dew]

No I mean

[plain zealot]

those are like the least important in admissions

[median dew]

ECs and such

[plain zealot]

see like

ive seen a lot of impressive business profiles

that i feel like would do poorly at penn

because from 5 minutes of research

1. they actually want people who enjoy it
2. they will require a LOT of teamwork

and a lot of these cracked ppls' endeavors are VERY solo

with little demonstrated leadership

[olive badge]

my fault gang 😭 u got this

[plain zealot]

at least thats what ive seen on sites like r/chanceme with ppl who are cracked crashing out over wharton

[plain zealot]

bruh you scared me

im doing business partly because my app is very business-y

[naive timber]

yeah that would be me too

[plain zealot]

like top 3 ecs have the words founder, executive, and director multiple times iirc

[olive badge]

thats good

[plain zealot]

and a lot of money numbers

non liquid sadly

but thats non profit work

[olive badge]

you should have a better shot than me tbh

[plain zealot]

are u bay area

or new england

[olive badge]

ne

[plain zealot]

oh yeah makes sense

[olive badge]

crazy work 😭 why those two places

[plain zealot]

you were competing with titans

[olive badge]

what if im a rogue nebraskan

[plain zealot]

more competitive us regions

[naive timber]

im bay area :(

[plain zealot]

im from alabama

like

💀

[plain zealot]

good luck!

[naive timber]

let's goooo

[plain zealot]

bruh that doesnt help u tho

[naive timber]

i lowkey probably have better numbers than the chanceme ppl but the chanceme ppl are always tweaking

plus im from bay area so its cooked

[olive badge]

i have this korean friend who is very obsessed with being an american patriot, and he loves your state very much

[plain zealot]

also chanceme ppl are saying that their essays are better than they are by a factor of like 10

without fail

always

lol

[plain zealot]

i have a redneck asian friend who wants to leave

so like

lmao

[olive badge]

😭

[plain zealot]

nah

ur gonna wait

[naive timber]

chanceme ppl cannot write i guarantee that

[olive badge]

that is probably very true. essays that work are low key very garbage much of the time

[plain zealot]

last yr rd they came out like 15 mins early

so check a bit earlier

[naive timber]

facts

[plain zealot]

@vagrant warren

[naive timber]

the "ideal essay" really does not work

[plain zealot]

not a consequence of garbage essays being good, its just so few ppl can write

[plain zealot]

REAL

it was uhh 5 est last year regular decision, and they came out 4:40-4:45 ish iirc

[olive badge]

i hate almost every single diversity essay i come across 😭

[plain zealot]

dude

i wrote mine on being white and asian

i think being forced to be creative is fun

[naive timber]

ive read like 2 good ones

[plain zealot]

and ppl ive ran it by have vibed w it

i think the problem is like

for a diversity essay

ppl arent that creative

which is a problem

[olive badge]

there is a genre where someone writes a diversity essay and they have like "[insert translation] means 'dog'" at the start

and then they keep going with their essay. but their dog is their [insert translation].

no semantic ambiguity. just like

[plain zealot]

havent read these

idt i want to

eye cancer

[olive badge]

i was considering writing like a meme essay into harvard as a yolo. and use the fact that im russian to just lie about translations 😭

[plain zealot]

oh funny story!

my 2nd harvard prompt was about fortnite!

[naive timber]

i read a good one about the dad being a painter

[naive timber]

yeah my 3rd one was about brawl stars

[plain zealot]

whats ur guys's diversity topic

for all the diversity essays

[olive badge]

keep it a buck, i be putting off pretty much all diversity stuff. but very very vaguely about wrestling with identifying with my culture and hating the country and the government.

[plain zealot]

valid

[naive timber]

i have semi-actual diversity so mine isnt too bad but its probably also cliche

[plain zealot]

i did my stuff day 1 bc i knew id hate it

hate to write ab it

but i think i found a good topic

[naive timber]

yayyy you got this

[plain zealot]

its abt like

being a translator in a bilingual household

which is technically writing about being wasian

i abstract it very quickly which helps

[naive timber]

that's good i like that

[olive badge]

my thing is - and ive bitched about it to essay mechanic too - its so fucking out of character to write shit like this. in like everyday interactions, i never say im russian unless prompted. and plus, im way more fucking privileged than even the friends i have in russia to complain about my predicament.

i hate diversity essays man

[plain zealot]

when i thought of it i felt so good because i found something for what i thought would be the hardest prompt that just clicked

[plain zealot]

if it feels forced youre writing about your race wrong

[olive badge]

its forced not because its not true. its because ive spent the past 5 years under pressure to speedrun becoming a american

[plain zealot]

hm

talk about the pressure to become an american

your orientation towards it

and if it fits the role of the russian gov in your favor or disfavor towards becoming american

[naive timber]

yeah that actually is good

[left furnace]

Bro 😭😭 What a horrible way of thinking

I wrote about being Slavic and got in

Am I a minority? Absolutely not

Maybe there were other reasons you didn't get in! Not because of race

[olive badge]

? this wasnt even a upenn sup. im still writing diversity essays rn

i never said it was because of race

[left furnace]

Regardless

Diversity essays don't even need to be about race

[noble vessel]

guys what should I do if I get deferred?
Email them or is there a form or sometbing?

[left furnace]

No

They have a FAQ page

[noble vessel]

Do nothing?

[left furnace]

Write a LOCI in the new year

[plain zealot]

how would you describe wharton as culturally or academically distinct from other top business programs?

like ive got all my essays, im just in this for fit

[left furnace]

More money! More resources! More pre-professional!

The amount of resources they throw at you is overwhelming

[plain zealot]

awesome

looks like this is a harvard case

where theres a lot less essay tailoring you can do

LOCI

letter of continued interest

[olive badge]

real bro, harvard is such a bot institution

[wooden needle]

i got in without any business related things. u dont need business ECs or awards to get into wharton.

wharton loves people with leadership and social impact, not so much business acumen

write authentic essays and if you are a good fit for wharton, they will accept you!

ALSO — i highly recommend the penn early exploration program for any juniors! you get to meet Penn AOs and you get super amazing advice on supplements/essays!

• free penn merch & cute tote bag

[plain zealot]

chat should i just go ahead and submit wharton rn

also is there any value to submitting a resume for upenn

its optional but i feel like optional this time is actually optional

[olive badge]

uhh i didnt, fw(little)iw. if you have one, id submit. if you dont and have time, maybe?

[austere spindle]

holy wtf

why they giving yg such better shit

oh wait that’s peep nvm

i thought that was acceptance package acceptance package is not that good

[austere spindle]

no not really

[plain zealot]

did you

[austere spindle]

no

[plain zealot]

sounds good

[clever cypress]

That happ to me but I was the friend doing Wharton

[plain zealot]

how much time did you spend polishing essays

because lowkey i got travel next wk

[austere spindle]

i didn’t penn was last school i submitted so i was burnt out of writing

[plain zealot]

hm

so wharton doesnt necessarily care as much about polish

[olive badge]

where did u early, out of curiosity

[plain zealot]

yale

got cooked

[olive badge]

damn, that sucks. yale is nice

[plain zealot]

lowkey idrc as long as rd goes well

i reevaluated my app after it and realized i lowkey dont want to do political science

and i want to do business

and yale is less that

[olive badge]

😭 bruh, opposite ish for me. this and the cornell app make me want to go into the econ/math direction

[plain zealot]

wait what happened

[olive badge]

which for schools without a business program, was already kind of the plan. but idk

[olive badge]

wharton rejection obv. for cornell, i just be reading examples of what people write for their 650-word school-specific prompt. and im not in those leagues lol

cest la vie

[plain zealot]

wait you were the one who said their profile wasnt very business-y?

[olive badge]

yah

[plain zealot]

oh

gotcha

[plain zealot]

i knew a guy with minimal business ecs and a not super special 650 get dyson...

so...

[olive badge]

i get that. and im sure that happens. but it feels like there is a profile. even if i slip thru the cracks here, most of my college experience will be much less compatible to me than to others. its a good litmus test for fit i feel like

[plain zealot]

idk

im applying with a profile thats not the traditional suite of business major stuff

im just gonna run w it tho

[olive badge]

nah from what i hear of your ecs, theyre good. mine are way, way less business than yours. trust me, ur good

[plain zealot]

where did you hear about my application?

[olive badge]

you said it earlier

[plain zealot]

oh

that was a minimal description

[olive badge]

#1268145548180066355 message

still

non profit doesnt matter bro, you are competitive trust

[plain zealot]

yale ppl said the same thing

still u dont get how irrationally worried about that i was when i decided to not do business LOL

well im back now

[neat relic]

Is it bad that I was flat out rejected?

or is Penn stingy with deferrals

I know it's around 12% acceptance this year and I imagine the deferrals as a result are also a bit lower too unless they changed their strategy.

[plain zealot]

apply everywhere you would RD

[neat relic]

So just CMU as a yolo? I already have my EA apps in.

[plain zealot]

yes

[austere spindle]

penn is pretty stingy

[neat relic]

good

[plain zealot]

this is a big part of it

id say less like a stanford entrepeneur where its more individualist and more team oriented

like from my limited understanding wharton and stanford business environments are pretty distinct

thats what ive seen

so im guessing (assuming i get lucky) if my startup is more important i get stanford over penn and if the exec work is more important vice versa

idk probably bad estimate

[wooden needle]

my penn AO send me an individualized letter ab my app omg

is this new this year

@austere spindle @trim yoke did u guys get a personal note from ur AO in last year’s cycle?

[hearty plinth]

Awww

[trim yoke]

yes

[wooden needle]

oh cute

[austere spindle]

yeah

well my cycle was 1.5 years ago now 😅

but yeah

[naive timber]

yeah my friend got it too

[ornate owl]

yeah they do the letters

columbia and yale do letters too

sometimes harvard does but i was not cracked enough for that apparnetly :(

[plain zealot]

no i get that

i just mean in the context of what i have

gotcha

i shouldnt submit yet then

shoot thats the problem though

like

i cant really judge my own essays fairly

like either i wait another week for my own edits that will likely be 99% grammatical or just yolo rn

i guess scenario 3 would be im getting one of the topics tragically wrong/not getting nearly enough out of it to get in and id be mad at myself

then again i do have a little bit of net from state diversity

but its not enough to overturn a fucked up essay

funny story

both guys i know are being really slow rn

like specifically rn

💀

[austere spindle]

I MISS THE RAGEEEW

carti drop soon.

[plain zealot]

and i think that if any of my essays get screwed itll be why wharton

which is the worst to get screwed on

[austere spindle]

i mean

why specific college is lowkey the easiest essy

or it should be

aight buddy

[plain zealot]

like my whole essay kinda dances around the point but its really implicitly that the flexibility of wharton and penn as a whole really helps the solution to my business issue

but idk if thats too generic...?

sorry im not a cs bro

literally that simple?

i dont have to worry about being generic?

oh no i do

the thing is that i never say the word "flexibility"

but the essay is clearly about flexibility AND the quality of resources no matter where I am

not of courses

basically

my problem can be reasonably mitigated thru public or private secrot

sector

[austere spindle]

well

[plain zealot]

i prob want to do private sector and i talk about the startup stuff there

[austere spindle]

yeah

i mean what does penn in particular have is what you’re tryna answer

[plain zealot]

i then mention that if im wrong, im still able to solve the problem without sacrificing solution quality because of these other crazy public sector things they have

yes a lot of namedropping

no i dont talk about course flexibility LOL

[austere spindle]

penn has consulting and data science clubs and fellowships that work with every fortune 500 company

[plain zealot]

its really just like im allowed to be wrong about private/public solutions being more efficient/effective without forefitting my dream

[austere spindle]

penn pores fellows get to be in the nbc room while they call elections

so many unique things abt penn you can write

bruh

why

bro said my bro couldve just said ours

i mean ours is lowkey low commit though

true

bruh

fair

[hearty plinth]

Oh wow

[wooden needle]

@plain zealot i can help revise ur wharton supp if you want

i talked ab public sector

[plain zealot]

Bet

I'm tryna submit td

So I'll send it when I'm home

Wait actually

Can I see yours

I think that's preferable plus I can't really copy it bc I'm locked into something specific ish rn

[turbid imp]

Stats ain't dropped yet??

[night socket]

Penn doesnt release stats

until a loooongg time later

[left furnace]

I would say the opposite

There is no "vibe" to get you in

They mix their student body

I personally find people at Penn to be a bit more driven and individualistic than my friends at Stanford

[wooden needle]

how did you even send this to them?

this doesn’t fall under the supplementary materials you’re allowed to submit 😭

[plain zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/not-a-sigma-sorry-you-are-not-a-sigma-sorry-you're-not-a-sigma-you-aren't-a-sigma-you-are-not-sigma-gif-337838532227751572

[wooden needle]

also respectfully i do not think admissions officers read this — at least not in its entirety. there are just too many applications and a club critique doesn’t fall under the supplementary materials list

[plain zealot]

They also accepted my quant model. Did they not read it?

[wooden needle]

what does your quant model look like

also just out of genuine curiosity, what was your thought process in submitting these things

[plain zealot]

That they show leadership and show my fit

With the school

And of course that I’ll succeed.

[plain zealot]

Not going to show that because I don’t want it plagiarized

how does a quant model show leadership

Now I know you got into Wharton I want to honestly know could you have written that up, or not.

skill in ur field sure

I’m pissed at Wharton

but leadership?

[plain zealot]

Well not that necessarily, but skull yes

the whole point of going to business school is to learn these things

theyre making a community of people who would fit into one of the more social business schools in the us

and you can show that thru genuine passion for entrepreneurialism thru start ups and stuff possibly but thats a method and not an end in itself to show you'd be a good member of the UPenn Wharton class of 29

It shows critical thought and that I’d fit in

I had an NYU professor submit a letter of recommendation for me too

you mean the critical thought they can gague from test scores and leadership?

I showed I can challenge the ideas of PEVC and lead PEVC

Through my writing

I showed PEVC was all messed up in their logic. I don’t get how Wharton turns out people who invest in toast

you get my point

no but I would be

a big part of business school is networking

trying to get into a school/club by criticizing them isnt exactly great networking

Well they should like to see debate that’s why they put you in teams

To discuss

[plain zealot]

do they?

why should they?

That what advances their school to create successful alumni

is it?

nah cause yk which school might be more receptive to the critique

tho

uchicago

like legit

me?

interesting

im offended

oh ic

im kinda trolling

ik chill uchi ppl

nah if id be offended for any reason itd be the "where fun goes to die" stereotype when in reality im nowhere near that sweaty

^^

im messing around but like if youre into economic theory this much

you literally will not get better than chicago

Do you think I’d be accepted

I have a 3.98 calc BC, test optional

they put a lot of weight onto their essays

they have special essays though

Six fig business, private equity scout, 74k in stocks built myself

Stuff like that

nah i trolled in my uchi essays last year and just like made it a meme philosophy essay and it got me wl

so like

theyll probably like it

[robust patio]

i thought my essays were quite nice

[plain zealot]

my essays read like a drug trip

[robust patio]

for chicago

[plain zealot]

lmfao

I’ll work on my essays

[robust patio]

same

[plain zealot]

heart emoji

[robust patio]

i used emojis

[plain zealot]

oh youre not even close

hold on

[robust patio]

i was prob on smth writing this shit

[plain zealot]

LOL

just one paragraph

this is my extended essay

[robust patio]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qF30lAhPaOmzvP0-atAvfbOKgx98iJSTI-YLWf-08Jc/edit?usp=sharing

read the second essay

[plain zealot]

i did this in 1.5hrs while watching shitposts

[robust patio]

i cant do this shit 😭 i thought i ate

i actually thought i ate

🧑 😭 😭

[plain zealot]

GG

cooked

its over

i still prefer

[robust patio]

ate

[plain zealot]

wait deadass apply to womens colleges (if you can) plus brown plus nyu plus

[robust patio]

i really dont want to do this shit over again for rd

[plain zealot]

you can see where im going here

grin

[robust patio]

nyu no

brown probably

womens im a man.

[plain zealot]

hm

pomona college

[robust patio]

maybe i got rejected from flyin

[plain zealot]

damn sorry bro

[robust patio]

its fine

i got discover swarthmore at least

hi

which oens did you get into

flyins??

it's only ale

yale

upenn didnt have a flyin it was virtual

oh dartmouth

and epc

penn is peep

nice nice

they got rid of it

pif right

yeah its gone

its just virtual nowadays

it was 500 kids in a zoom call once a wk

💀

💀 yeah 2 cohorts of 250 each

[frosty jackal]

Ur a tool

[tulip otter]

Yea I have the same question

[wooden needle]

honestly no I couldn’t have lol. im going to wharton to learn about business

[austere spindle]

bro y r u crashing out so hard like 😭

[sweet maple]

real men apply wharton

(and then get rejected and complain about it)

[austere spindle]

i promise you no one at pevc club give af abt your rec 😭

no one at pevc even give af about their OWN recs those mfs probably gpt everything 😭 😭

college clubs are not that deep

[wooden needle]

omgg

[sweet maple]

maybe you just suck ass dawg

[wooden needle]

@austere spindle how is the food at penn

[sweet maple]

🤷

[austere spindle]

there was probably a reason you got rejected and a reason other people got in can you stop tryna bring other people down lol

i understand if you’re mad i was angry at the UC system for a while for rejecting me but there’s healthier ways of coping than screaming at strangers on the internet

[sweet maple]

least dickhead business major reaction

[austere spindle]

there are at least a few good dining halls lol the main ones suck though

[sweet maple]

dg you been to the athlete dhall?

[austere spindle]

but if you just eat at falk and mclelland you’re fine

[austere spindle]

i didnt even know there was one what lol

[wooden needle]

i can’t waitt for move-in day

[sweet maple]

i thought there was

hold on lemme ask my buddy

[austere spindle]

i dont think so…

[plain zealot]

dg

u were the guy who crammed the upenn essays and still got wharton right

or was that some1 else

[austere spindle]

i’m seas not wharton

but yeah i didnt really “cram” but they definitely weren’t my best

[plain zealot]

any wharton rd admits in chat

bc ive heard wharton rd is cancer

[tulip otter]

Damm I wish I rd instead of ED to upenn

[plain zealot]

There's a reason for everything

Everything will come full circle in the end

[tulip otter]

lol thanks 🙏

Ahh It will be long 3 months waiting for results

[sly pebble]

anyone have any advice for loci for wharton upenn

[wooden needle]

emphasize ways you’ve shown leadership and community impact in your school, region, state, etc.

[trim yoke]

this is probably one of the strangest things theyve received in an application. the admissions office has literally nothing to do with these clubs (and i doubt they have much knowledge into them), and imo if anything this shows that you think you're better than wharton and its students. they get thousands of applicants and this big page of text is not worth their time to read, especially with no context

like no hate but this could have worked against your application

and for rd i would not do anything like this

[spring widget]

bro they say to report a loci only if u did smth major for ur app

but like wtf do i do in 2 months thats more than what i alrdy did

[plain zealot]

Is this like the essence of wharton

[median arch]

Where's the poll

[wooden needle]

I would say that leadership + impact is a common trait in admitted wharton students

I’d like to think that it’s a huge reason why i was admitted

[plain zealot]

Hm

I mean like I feel like I'd be fine then

But ts is a lottery

Alright

[wooden needle]

But of course admissions officers are looking to build a diverse class, so there will always be outliers

[wooden needle]

Yeah I’m grateful but I know T10 admissions — especially when unhooked and in a competitive region — is essentially a lottery

[plain zealot]

Well I'm praying that it really was a fit or luck thing early

Because WHARTOOOOOONNNN

[misty jewel]

also im not gonna lie its a bad analysis

like reading through this i have trouble taking it seriously

and further it takes very little inspiration from PE management practices despite suggesting to invest in public markets like PE teams

yup i agree 100%

yeah

also PE focuses heavily on management practices, which are just not mentioned at all in the entire thing

after the thesis being we should invest in public stocks like PE

also growth potential is just ignored

val analysis beyond simple FCF yield, unit economics & customer retention metrics, market analysis beyond general statements about "low barriers to entry" are also all ignored

which is like

some pretty important stuff

also no long term business viability analysis

like okay toast could be down rn but long term it could overperform

[plain zealot]

Private equity management practices such as what? High leverage use or what are you referring to

[plain zealot]

The Wharton PEVC club recommended TOAST for investment It makes the entire school look like a joke next to what Dyson undergrads are putting together

Which is still not amazing, but substantially better

[plain zealot]

What is the issue with that

[misty jewel]

i have no issue with the thesis

the thesis is fine

[misty jewel]

hands on management for strategic direction

PE's whole model is buying companies and streamlining them

[plain zealot]

See that has no part in this. I can’t get into the 10K and see exactly every decision being made you have to zoom out and see what the firm does and how it is operating

PE buys firms, guts them and resells them

They function on high leverage to earn high returns, but this is reckless.

Transdigm has high leverage, but it’s a monopoly which raises prices every year VS Toys R Us

Which is dead

[misty jewel]

yes but it pays attention to the market landscape and opportunity

[plain zealot]

See if they could write something more compelling it would be attacking different issues and avoiding the systemic problems PEVC pushes

[misty jewel]

you mention like none of the systemic problems dude

and its full of grammatical errors

has no real market analysis

[plain zealot]

Such as imagery?

It doesn’t need to look good it needs to be correct

[misty jewel]

i do personally agree, transdigm is a better call than toast

but i dont think that youre presenting compelling evidence for it

[misty jewel]

no

and you also dont like elaborate on some things

Putting toast through comprehensive review we
find they are unable to invest a significant amount of capital back into the business or retain
earnings in any meaningful way to expand at a high expected return.

what exactly is comprehensive review in this case

[plain zealot]

They can’t take the free cash flow and invest it

They simply have no use for their Cashflow and therefore are restrained in valuation

Firms are valued on future returns on the cash they make today

[misty jewel]

also you spend a lot of time talking about transdigm instead of just the oversights within PEVC

also i still dont even understand how you submitted this as part of your applicaiton

[plain zealot]

Honestly I think Wharton just wants people to indoctrinate with their own theories and doesn’t want to be challenged on their ideas

[misty jewel]

i disagree. i believe there was a better way to say what you wanted to say

your why wharton thing couldve just been pointing out the issues

[plain zealot]

Most people I’ve seen who were accepted had minimal business experience and most I know who applied with far better stats and EC’s were rejected (in past years)

[misty jewel]

and how theyre broadly present in the industry

and how you hope to change it

like

the way its presented rn (which in all honesty they may not even have read) it takes away from your message

[novel egret]

wharton undergrad isn’t designed for people with business experience

that’s kinda the point

[plain zealot]

See I don’t get this

It’s supposed to be the best business school in the world

I’m curious about other schools and how they might view me

[misty jewel]

isnt the point of the why wharton supp to say what youd learn at wharton

[olive badge]

saw a pic of luigi mangione today, and all i could think of was "what did he do better than me"

[fervent herald]

my brother in a2c get off your high horse bc why are you writing 75 word long sentences

[olive badge]

im cooked chat 😭

[plain zealot]

How do I look for Yale, NYU, Columbia, USC

[plain zealot]

😂

I don’t recall writing anything that long

[olive badge]

wait thats so cool where do you get that

[fervent herald]

Toast has been able to scale and is expected to scale revenue 23% next year, but this does not equate to value creation for shareholders because this growth is largely not hitting the bottom line, and even if this growth is extrapolated the profits Toast produces will eventually likely have to be given back to shareholders in the form of dividends or share buybacks, because Toast trades at an astonishingly expensive FCF rate of 1.1%.

thats one sentence

[fervent herald]

for over 500 words and more detailed stuff it costs money which is what i have but its called prowritingaid

[misty jewel]

you dont use periods

[alpine torrent]

#1268144807180767244 ED2 closes Jan 6. might be worthwhile to apply there instead of ranting at upenn…

[acoustic portal]

jesus that’s a long sentence

[plain zealot]

I’m applying RD

[novel egret]

you should copy and paste this in every thread with a decision out 🙏

[vapid ermine]

wow

insane you should be instant admitted to wharton!

[serene shore]

U never know

[austere spindle]

fish do you think people at usc would like him?

[serene shore]

Nah

[plain zealot]

In your opinion where would they like me

o block

[serene shore]

Bro… I’m jking idk 😭.

[alpine torrent]

were you rejected? #1268144807180767244 ED2 closes Jan 6! apply there for a good chance at a great university

[plain zealot]

where else

I’m working on my essays for uchicago

[alpine torrent]

ed2 rate is higher than rd fyi

[plain zealot]

I know but I rather rd

Probably very little difference anyway

[plain zealot]

I’m including my naturalistic philosophy with my essay for UChicago I think that’s a plus and not a negative for them

[austere spindle]

so like

when uchicago usc and columbia reject you who will you blame?

[amber thorn]

hey i just read this. first off i like the idea of showing perhaps how you’d fit in? im sure the idea would be loved by kids at a lot of investment clubs (i go to usc and can echo that our investment clubs do support this kinda stuff) few problems here

1. i dont think you put much effort into making this well written
2. i think it was a tactically bad decision to write this on a personal essay where a group of AOs who have limited financial knowledge look to derive insights into your character as a person

i personally read the toast pitch and don’t think the metrics on which they’re proping value growth are too tied to any of the critiques you make, and it’s unclear to me why other factors they mention (ie potential for growth in similar manner to a lot of industry) are not viable as business strategies

[acoustic portal]

dg and abhi spotted

[austere spindle]

hi jp

[acoustic portal]

hai

[wooden needle]

business experience is never a prerequisite for undergrad business school

[austere spindle]

i’m 800 miles away from your house i’m gonna come burn it down 🔥

[wooden needle]

if it was it would be super prohibitive for first gen low income students lol

[acoustic portal]

???? ENOUGH

[amber thorn]

cannot recommend writing an essay like this in supplement of a personal essay because i think it gives a reader few insights into you as a person. if I was to drop a McKinsey final strategy deck which contained understanding of consulting toolboxes, that doesn’t mean that i would get into any school by default by virtue of quirkiness or preprofessonal experience. rather most of these business schools are focused on diversifying and focusing on students with characters that they resonate with.

[austere spindle]

also actual business experience is like 20% of getting a job in finance

bro is failing the minimum bar which is being a good/fun person to be around

[wooden needle]

yess

[acoustic portal]

yeah in an application it’s kinda the only shot for you to put your best foot forward and present yourself

[amber thorn]

eh like lowkey no one gaf abt that this industry is cooked

[austere spindle]

i need to start tiktoking again

[amber thorn]

if ur poor you start 30 steps back in finance

as opposed to someone rich + well connected

[acoustic portal]

Real

[amber thorn]

swe etc far more meritocratic

[austere spindle]

give me ideassss

have you seen the hood coding videos

should i do those

[acoustic portal]

YES LMFAO

I HAVE

[acoustic portal]

do it brainrot style

[austere spindle]

i can do brainrot coding

[acoustic portal]

LMFAK

[austere spindle]

i’m gonna teach for loops with ksi

[acoustic portal]

pygyat

[plain zealot]

I put it together in 30 minutes it was last minute. Toast has no reinvestment opportunities that yield a hurdle rate that is satisfactory

[wooden needle]

@plain zealot where are u applying ED

Rd*

[austere spindle]

why did you submit smth you put together in 30 min for your ed school

[amber thorn]

so just entertaining the topic; i think the pitch goes into relatively high amounts of depth as to where toast has the possibility to expand

[acoustic portal]

people don’t really give a fuck how long it took you to write up your essay, they’re going to evaluate it based on what you’ve presented them

[amber thorn]

look at indiana 🤷‍♂️

[amber thorn]

true

ironically i did best on very last minute writttn essays

[plain zealot]

I wanted to add something else and put my best foot forward

[amber thorn]

i wrote my uchicago supplement the day it was due in like an hour or so and it’s the only one i can look back and not cringe at

[plain zealot]

Did you get into UChicgao

UChicago*

[amber thorn]

funny story, no

i fumbled pretty hard to not get in

was related to faculty; applied ED2, and wrote a pretty decent essay (so i thought i had a decent shot)

then i got into usc with a scholarship and decided to change my ED2 application to RD because i didn’t wanna commit to uchicago anymore

and they WLd me!

[plain zealot]

Did you apply with a test score

[amber thorn]

yeah

[amber thorn]

part of me thinks doomed me a little? but there’s no guarantee i would have gotten in otherwise

[plain zealot]

Im test optional I wonder how bad that hurts me

[amber thorn]

realistically only if your gpa is bad

[wooden needle]

what is ur score

[plain zealot]

I have a 3.98 UW so I think I’m alright

Hopefully at least

I like Columbia, NYU the best

USC is great though

[wooden needle]

stern?

[plain zealot]

Yes

bro you cannot be that arrogant and be test optional 💀

[amber thorn]

yeah they’re great schools

most are very similar for business ngl

[plain zealot]

i mean no one should send a whole essay over some random club

[amber thorn]

if you’re just focused IB it honestly doesn’t matter where you go as much as making sure you ace the in school process

[plain zealot]

I want to break into private equity

Hopefully within a few years start my own firm

[wooden needle]

how hard is it to break into pe

from undergrad

[austere spindle]

doable if you’re good

[acoustic portal]

^

[novel egret]

i think you should learn to read your essays for typos before you think about private equity but that’s just my take

[amber thorn]

PE undergrad is kind of a difficult achievement

[acoustic portal]

most ppl i know do a year or two into ib (at least)

before

going into PE

[amber thorn]

1, getting an internship is kinda hard
2. getting a return offer from an internship is insanely difficult

you’re much better off going into banking and recruiting for an associate role at a fund

[wooden needle]

should i do this even if given an opportunity to go straight into pe

[austere spindle]

no lol

less time in ib the betyer

[amber thorn]

depends where but yes

[acoustic portal]

err depends on the person

[amber thorn]

if faced with a banking EB and PE internship at a mega fund i’d recommend the banking one

[wooden needle]

im getting such diff answers LMFAO

[austere spindle]

but ib and pe all cooked anyway

[acoustic portal]

if you can thug out ib for a year or two maybe mayhaps

[vapid ermine]

real

[amber thorn]

largely because PE internships have no return offers

[vapid ermine]

i would unfortunately last 1 day before i quit

[wooden needle]

wait why

[amber thorn]

you could land blackstone your junior year and there’s a 30% RO rate

[austere spindle]

so much monkey work

[amber thorn]

which means no job

[acoustic portal]

wlb cooked

[amber thorn]

confirming an analyst position is very difficult

[vapid ermine]

100 workweek

7 am-2 am

[austere spindle]

i think i’m gonna add blackrock’s ai group to my junior year recruiting

[amber thorn]

analyst role in both are very similar type of work

[vapid ermine]

no piss break (sorry wall)

[acoustic portal]

poor wall bro i hope he’s living it up on that cruise lmfao

[vapid ermine]

NO FR

[acoustic portal]

bro gets worked like a dog 😭

[vapid ermine]

that the shit im gonna get nightmares about

[amber thorn]

isn’t he at a MM

[vapid ermine]

and if u getting nightmares about ur work u know ur cooked

[amber thorn]

feel bad for dude MM comp was so bad this year

[acoustic portal]

i would seethe in rage if my co-workers were getting paid the same as me but leaving the office at 4:30

[amber thorn]

i think WF PS all paid ~150k tc

all the MMs and BBs overhired and now pay shitty ass bonuses

[vapid ermine]

he said his starting pay is 110k

[amber thorn]

that’s base

[vapid ermine]

oh ic

[acoustic portal]

naur

[vapid ermine]

fr

[amber thorn]

bonus fluctuates between 25% to 150% of base depending on firm

[novel egret]

100 hour work weeks on 110k is goated

[amber thorn]

but anything >75% is largely exclusive to EBs

[vapid ermine]

not when u can do 40 hrs work week and earn 150k+ instead midcareer

[novel egret]

my summer job applied to is ~112 at 17 an hour lmfao

[amber thorn]

it’s about scalability

[novel egret]

but whenever you’re off roll you get 8 hour days instead!

[amber thorn]

latter will never make more

[acoustic portal]

i think he said his tc was 170-75k range?

[amber thorn]

former will make 400-500k base within 5-6 years

[amber thorn]

in a good year yeah

could drop below right now

bonuses were god awful last 2 years

[acoustic portal]

ok no bad omens on thebhomie

[amber thorn]

unless u work for fucking Centreview

[wooden needle]

also im already committed but like is wharton worth $50k/year lol

[acoustic portal]

good vibes fr

[acoustic portal]

max out that roi i suppose

[wooden needle]

kk i will

[amber thorn]

id think so but im financially fortunate enough to have 50k be not that significant

[vapid ermine]

well yeah thats bc u were fighting fires 😭

[amber thorn]

depends on what u plan on doing

[wooden needle]

ib/pe

[vapid ermine]

my summer job was like 40hrs at 17-18 an hr

[acoustic portal]

need to be a sell out so that my future children can think like this fr

[amber thorn]

yeah it pays out

[wooden needle]

kk

[amber thorn]

just lock in lol

[wooden needle]

ill try to play the game and join the clubs

[vapid ermine]

fr

when i start living in mclean

thats when i know life is set

[acoustic portal]

i’m so cooked it’s soooooover 🤣

[amber thorn]

general breakdown of recruiting life
year 1:
on campus clubs (anything finance jargon based and also network based)
insight events and shit: start interactions and involvements with firms you like
start networking and coffee chatting if you can but you’re not gonna be given any importance bc ur not a sophomore

year 2:
fall:
networking
grinding technicals
spring:
recruiting

year 3 and 4 you can kinda go jerk it for fun

[serene shore]

Rd is so low. UChicago Econ is one of the best programs out there

[amber thorn]

most people i know do jack all their junior and senior years

[inland blade]

chicago rd ar is insanely low

[wooden needle]

what concentrations do yall recommend for breaking into ib/pe @ Wharton if it makes any difference

[plain zealot]

It is a great school, but I really want to at least try for the east cost because I want to be near nyc.

[inland blade]

robux trading

[plain zealot]

If I’m in nyc regardless of my school I’ll get highly lucrative internships because I can beat the people coming from Wharton

[amber thorn]

econ with finance is most traditional

would recommend anything that has good accounting experience (this is like honestly more important than finance for banking), math/stats is a decent one if you’re competent at managing a good gpa

[plain zealot]

Hands down (Though I mean no offense to those admitted)

[wooden needle]

what ab the management concentration ?

[acoustic portal]

and why do you believe this

[wooden needle]

finance concentration is a given

[amber thorn]

yeah proximity is definitely important, it’s why there’s a lot of kids from non targets east coast who break in

look at boston schools

especially BC

[misty jewel]

mclean sucks lmao

do NOT live in nova

[amber thorn]

eh attitude is like 90% of it lol

[misty jewel]

i dont think this is something to stake your future on

[amber thorn]

i mean you gotta know when to be humble

but like

there’s nothing wrong with like

[wooden needle]

also can i get into parties at penn as a guy without joining a frat

[amber thorn]

having too much confidence

cocky people get rewarded most of the time

[acoustic portal]

i mean i think there’s a time and place for everything

[amber thorn]

non frat ones

rush akpsi pgn

[plain zealot]

I feel like I like USC

[amber thorn]

well yeah you’re never gonna whip it out during a coffee chat in front of the analyst and pretend you’re better but in general i’ll let it slide because i think most finance kids are simply in it for the dick measuring contest element

[plain zealot]

If USC is like you. There is a time for everything

In getting ahead you should be really aggressive, and know what you’re doing

[vapid ermine]

u cant have that mindset

[amber thorn]

we focus west coast recruiting. most LA offices and SF offices have spots reserved for usc students every year, NYC we are a semi target that sends a few kids, but it’s definitely a somewhat uphill battle.

[vapid ermine]

damn

[vapid ermine]

what if its ur only option for work

i mean tbh i could prob get away w dc for a few yrs but then driving is hell

[plain zealot]

They have some good PE on the west coast just a bit different

[misty jewel]

where is your work if you can say without doxxing

[amber thorn]

well yes there’s 100% a prerequisite to work anywhere that you know when to put your ego aside and fold to the man when he speaks but it’s a generally decent mindset because you honestly need to do a LOT of larping to make it

[amber thorn]

PE west coast is a different ball game lot of representation for smaller ish firms but MF presence is smaller

if your focus is purely PE NYC is always going to be best

couple of rlly nice banking shops based here (Qat CVP SF etc)

[acoustic portal]

what everyone eating

i’m hungry

[amber thorn]

perhaps. i’ll excuse it a little because i also kinda douche maxxed on a lot of my college essays. not to say i didn’t get smacked down for it but there’s room to improve

[vapid ermine]

what if its defense because nova

[amber thorn]

hotel breakfast?

[novel egret]

forest service please give me an offer please

i want MONEY

[novel egret]

yeah you are

[vapid ermine]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-firefighters-government-shutdown-rcna184888 i saw this a few days ago

(if the shutdown was acc gonna happen)

[novel egret]

yeah the pay would’ve gotten slashed

[misty jewel]

MITRE?

[vapid ermine]

idt im at that point to be working for the contractors yet unfort

[misty jewel]

i mean

i personally just dont like NoVA bc i grew up here

you may like it

tbf there just arent many good options

[serene shore]

Risk management lmao

Go for hedge fund

[misty jewel]

like if i have to stay for job im living in Gtown

screw suburbs

[vapid ermine]

well yeah nova is just suburbs

but unfortunately

the us government love suburbs

[misty jewel]

yup

[vapid ermine]

and thus the military industrial complex along reston herndon mclean etc

[misty jewel]

yeah

[vapid ermine]

i cant even afford to live in gtown 💀

[misty jewel]

i mean atp pick your poison of suburbs

no good options sadly

dont live in tysons

that is an awful decision

it is horrible

great falls is ok but theres like nothign to do there

[vapid ermine]

i heard woodbridge is decent

either woodbridge or like

clarendon area near arlington

cuz its still close to metro + i can drive to where i need to go (military industrial complex)

[misty jewel]

i would say clarendon

but thats just me

i like city so the closer i can get the more ill like it

[vapid ermine]

ye

i like the city too

id stay in dc but i need to figure out an affordable option thats close to the center + able to drive without losing braincells + close to metro

bc i figured if i move to the suburbs ill never move back to dc

[misty jewel]

yup

the trap of a $2m mortgage!

but yeah clarendon ain’t bad and probs preferable to miles of suburb

interspersed w strip malls

[vapid ermine]

skull

[vapid ermine]

true

[misty jewel]

sadly true welcome to nova

[left furnace]

In the kindest way, business/finance is all about relationships

Getting ahead does not mean you ruin those relationships

Make sure people like you :)

[wooden needle]

@upenncollegeparties just followed me on instagram😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️

[plain zealot]

Well I agree and disagree. Business is about relationships only to a certain point

Networking is important, but in terms of securing a deal or really making money you need to be very aggressive

[left furnace]

Don't accept! Those are the unfun parties hosted by non-Penn ppl during NSO

You find out about parties via 1) sidechat or 2) a friend who knows someone (eg. A brother at a frat)

[wooden needle]

ahh okay tysm!!!

[wicked cosmos]

take the ig follow and dont follow back

[foggy dove]

hey guys, should i send my loci to my regional ao, or in the penn portal or both?

[trim yoke]

they cost more money than the benefit you get from going

[austere spindle]

follow instructions, i think instructions are by portal

but i’m not sure

[plain zealot]

how much harder is rd than ed at penn

[austere spindle]

i know bro who said esg will not be doing esg

[austere spindle]

twice as hard ish

[plain zealot]

fuck

as in rd is 2-4% based on school or its 2-4% less than penn ED

[wooden needle]

AHAHA WHY

is esg unpopular

is wharton ed pool or rd pool stronger?

[austere spindle]

i mean

ok penn takes like 1200 kids out of 10k ed

and then 2500 kids out of 50k ed

realistically those 2500 are probably stronger

[night socket]

yall its ok to send a LOCI right

i can't find their policy on it

is it just submitting to here?

[sly pebble]

yeah

[trim yoke]

bro do not send a loci until you’ve done anytning impactful

like don’t even think about it

[olive badge]

i mean the ed pool is probably a bit stronger by default

[austere spindle]

opposite id argue

[olive badge]

what purpose would a school have then in admitting higher rates ed?

[trim yoke]

locked in 90k per year

[olive badge]

well i mean, cant you just admit the most skilled rd pool people and then farm the waitlist for yield?

[trim yoke]

wdym farm waitlist

[olive badge]

like if the yield is 70%, get the rest off the waitlist

my point is, its not like penn is giving higher admit rates to ed applicants out of the goodness of their hearts

[trim yoke]

i mean yeah cuz ed ppl lock in their payment like 99% of the time

and

u overestimate waitlists

[olive badge]

wdym

[trim yoke]

like im not sure about the number but

[olive badge]

youre getting the money either way? am i stupid

[trim yoke]

and i doubt what i say is credible i just have a theory

they dont admit ppl off waitlist

often

even if yield like the number not going from rd≠waitlist admits

[olive badge]

well sure. im just saying in a world where the rd pool is stronger than ed, theres no reason to have higher admit rates in ed. if that were true (rd>ed), then penn would employ that waitlist strat. or something close to it

its low key splitting hairs, idek why i care so much 😭

not like im going

[trim yoke]

to me acceptance rates r low to keep schools prestigious, ed > rd since less apply in ed: if 1000 ppl get in ed and 1000 get in rd acceptance in rd is lower just cuz pool size.

like colleges r businesses they are maximizing shareholder profit

[olive badge]

yeah i agree

[austere spindle]

they admit half their class ed to keep yield rates low and let in the ppl they need (legacy, athletes, etc)

and every pool is normally distributed

the ends of the tails are still very strong either way

[olive badge]

yeah ofc

[plain zealot]

Yield rates low?

U mean high surely

[austere spindle]

yeah

ykwim

[misty jewel]

strike?

the greatest short case of all time

[olive badge]

damn bruh read a book

[plain zealot]

nah this bruzz needs to get off discord and go outside and talk to some huzz on guzz