University of Pennsylvania (UPenn) (2023-2024)

[hybrid skiff]

Below the 25th percentile listed on penn's CDS

[opaque pilot]

Im instate VA too where u applying for instate

[dusty mist]

I’m not applying to Penn

Like I said

[silent acorn]

I would say in general for UPenn that 1500 or lower (25th percentile) is test optional, 1540 or higher (50th percentile) is submit.

[dusty mist]

I don’t know how this test optional discussion topic was brought up by me in the UPenn megathread

But I’m just applying to all the Virginia schools

[dusty mist]

UVA

[silent acorn]

What’s ur score

[opaque pilot]

Na but like what else

Everyone applies UVA

LOL

[dusty mist]

Jmu

Gmu

[silent acorn]

VT, W&M probably

[dusty mist]

Odu

[dusty mist]

Yes

[opaque pilot]

Im applying UVA Tech W&M Mason

[dusty mist]

Vcu

[opaque pilot]

What major

[dusty mist]

Not good

[dusty mist]

Haven’t made up my mind yet but it’s something engineering

[opaque pilot]

I did my W&M interview went good

[silent acorn]

Bruh

[dusty mist]

Let’s just say bad

It’s improvement

[silent acorn]

If it’s not good then just TO

[dusty mist]

But it’s not good

[silent acorn]

Obviously

It can’t be that bad

[dusty mist]

🙂

[opaque pilot]

Imo TO is fine

[dusty mist]

I think that’s why brought it up

But I forgot I was in this megathread

[opaque pilot]

At schools like penn you see 70-80% of admitted students not going TO but thats because of the pool itself most students that are sweating out grades + ECs are also likely to sweat out SAT/ACT

I don't think TO hurts you honestly

[silent acorn]

If it’s below 1400 don’t submit to UVA

[opaque pilot]

If the rest of your app is good

[dusty mist]

So I ended up getting kayak to respond to me and then y’all 2 had a discussion

[dusty mist]

Define good

[opaque pilot]

Good is subjective

For colleg apps

College

But there are competitive applicants and not so competitive based on like averaged out data both from your high school and the school's CDS

Obviously if you have like a 4.0 rank 2/400 in ur class that's more than competitive GPA

Just really depends on the person + with the COVID stuff some people didn't do good freshman year or whatever year COVID impacted them

So it depends person to person

[silent acorn]

There’s no concrete number

[opaque pilot]

Right

No certain amount or type of ECs or certain GPA or any metric of admission is like gamingbyop said concrete to be competitive

[silent acorn]

@dusty mist bro get off this server 💀

This amount of time gotta be worth ISEF Winner

[opaque pilot]

Bro LOL

[silent acorn]

I ain’t looking for his sat score

[desert coral]

Yeah they just give you scores for stuff

But I’m curious

His ass has not taken me anywhere so why do you think he’s taking you???

[desert coral]

Bro wha

That’s insane

Unless the rest of your app is really bad (which I don’t think SAT is going to really make up for that that heavily anyway) I feel like 1500 is def submit 😭

[silent acorn]

Was just looking at CDS

You prob know more

[opaque pilot]

He likes me more than u

: D

[copper notch]

hey iz should I submit a 32 or nah

[desert coral]

Ur not doing QB right?

[copper notch]

yeah I’m not

[desert coral]

Are you happy with a 32?

Do you think it’s representative of your abilities? How does it compare to your GPA?

[dusty mist]

You get it off it

You’re the nerd here

[dusty mist]

You guys are@no help

😒

[copper notch]

Uhm I have a 3.7 which is kinda on the lower side I think

[copper notch]

I think so. But I come from a small town and it’s unheard of to get like a 30 but on this discord it seems like I should only submit a 33+

[desert coral]

I have much more 💀

[desert coral]

I mean if I’m going to be honest

The difference between a 32 and a 33 prob isn’t huge? But I’m no AO

Either way

I think it would prob be in ur best interest to take it again if you can but idk if that’s possible for you rn, and if not I would talk to your guidance counselor if that’s possible, and if not then my personal opinion would be that it’s okay to submit it, but I don’t want to take any responsibility for that because I’m not an AO and my advice can be wildly inaccurate for your situation

[copper notch]

my counselor told me to submit a 25 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[desert coral]

Bruh

Well def don’t

[dusty mist]

You tell them!

[dusty mist]

Isn’t that good

[desert coral]

That’s a bad thing tubba

I spent too much time here

[dusty mist]

Aw

[copper notch]

no not really for penn admissions

[dusty mist]

Hm

[desert coral]

Penn wants as close to a 36 as you can get tbh

[copper notch]

she said my act is the highest in the grade

[dusty mist]

What’s the highest act score

Possible

[desert coral]

Okay great then if she’s willing to include that context in her recommendation then I say it’s fine to submit it

[dusty mist]

Why don’t you stop then

[desert coral]

It feels nice to complain here when I’m stressed 💀

[copper notch]

mmk I’ll submit it! I’ll tell her to add stuff abt that in her rec

[bold onyx]

nowhere bitch u got more money than me

[dusty mist]

Emmy gang

[desert coral]

Emre where are you taking me out to dinner in Philly?

[dusty mist]

He’s going to ditch you

To play

[bold onyx]

anywhere if u pay

[dusty mist]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-fortnite-get-griddy-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-gif-26491049

[desert coral]

Bitch u got more money than me

[dusty mist]

Wait

If you apply ea or ed to a school

You can’t apply rd right

Like in that same

Year

Right

No?

[bold onyx]

cap

not yet

soon

[desert coral]

😐

You def do

[bold onyx]

not by a large enough margin

[desert coral]

Emre please

[dusty mist]

Okay guys

Thanks for the answer

[desert coral]

I’m going to starve

[dusty mist]

Really appreciate it

[bold onyx]

my bank account is not statistically different from yours

[desert coral]

My bank account has less than $100

[dusty mist]

Why are you broke

[bold onyx]

if u get rejected then no

[desert coral]

Spent too much dining dollars

[dusty mist]

Get your money up

[desert coral]

On coffee

[dusty mist]

Not your funny up

[dusty mist]

Just put water on yourself

To wake up

[dusty mist]

What about deferred

[desert coral]

I only have 30 min breaks between classes sometimes so I spend that time getting coffee

[dusty mist]

Do a lap around one

Pen

[bold onyx]

that means ur application is now in the rd pool

[civic cipher]

How much is a coffee 😭

[desert coral]

$6

Typically

[civic cipher]

Holy fuck

Is that from teh pret place

[desert coral]

Starbuck

[civic cipher]

Strat is gotta make ur own 😭

[desert coral]

Noooo

[civic cipher]

For straight up coffee? Wtf.

[desert coral]

Caramel macchiato 😍 it’s like a little over $5?

[civic cipher]

I do that now. Each Cup is porbs like 10 cents 😭

[civic cipher]

Oh yea that shit tastes too good but still 5 bucks💀💀💀

[desert coral]

I have 69 swipes tho

Like left over

[civic cipher]

Oh yea r swipes like only for dining hall

[desert coral]

Basically yeah

[civic cipher]

And then dollars r for like Houston hall or wtv and stuff

O ok

[desert coral]

You can use swipes at Houston

[civic cipher]

O I c

[desert coral]

Depends on the place at Houston and what you’re getting

Houston burger wasn’t even bad this time

[vital cradle]

My best friend is top 15 in nation for chemistry and still struggles 4.0 premed is crazy hard

[desert coral]

Dude. I did horrible on my midterm.

[civic cipher]

Wtf usnco dude?

[vital cradle]

Houston good food

[desert coral]

I am not going to be a 4.0 person

It’s impossible I’m not a stem girl

[civic cipher]

Thank god I’m doing math & Econ 😂

[vital cradle]

Have no idea but everyone praises him like he’s a saint

I’m not premed

[civic cipher]

Lmaoo

Yea those ppl r crazy

[vital cradle]

He’s one of my best friends tho

[civic cipher]

What’s ur major?

[vital cradle]

Honestly considering majoring in poli sci?

Idek

Prelaw seems to hard for me

[civic cipher]

Ooo I have a friend in poli sci/pre law

Who’s a freshman

[vital cradle]

Writing is very annoying

Might do math instead

[civic cipher]

Oh math is very fun. What would u start from?

[vital cradle]

Trying to test out of 1410

[civic cipher]

I was hoping I could skip some beginner math in college

[vital cradle]

I took multi and lin algebra senior year

[civic cipher]

Oh wow fire

Could u also skip Lin alg or nah

[copper notch]

yay that’s great

[vital cradle]

No

Unfortunately

[faint badger]

what major

[civic cipher]

:/ lol it’s so interesting how different colleges are so variable w their requirements. At pton, my friend took grad math classes his first sem 😭

[vital cradle]

So many diverse interests idk at the point

Rn I’m on track with poli sci minor in Chinese

[civic cipher]

U could do an uncoord dual major right

[vital cradle]

But I want to do philosophy math and music

Yes but If I am to apply I need a high gpa

3.9+ to get accepted

[civic cipher]

Oh u have to apply for uncoord dual degree? 💀

Yea I lowk suck at writing I wanan get better and do some writing shit in college

[copper notch]

bruh

that’s acc crazy

[opaque pilot]

UR MY SENIOR U TREAT ME OUT

[opal silo]

UPenn doesn't consider demonstrated interest right?

[burnt osprey]

Yeah we don’t

[burnt osprey]

Penn has a required writing seminar that will do just that!

[civic cipher]

Yessir I heard about that

[opal silo]

its so weird because so many people on reddit and online say they do

but i swear their cds says they dont

even that vanderbilt ao ben dude says they do

[burnt osprey]

I mean

Show interest but Penn doesn’t care if you’re on their mailing list and went to every info session or not

[opal silo]

yeah idk why

even prsehgal says people should show interest even if they say they dont

[burnt osprey]

I mean showing interest will never hurt you

And it will make things like essays and interviews easier

I did all the demonstrated interest things for colleges that didn’t care and I’m glad I did tbh

[opal silo]

alr

[bold onyx]

actually ill be rich asf after this summer so sure ill treat you

[opaque pilot]

Holding u to that

[bold onyx]

okay only if i get this vc internship

if not then ur paying

[desert coral]

They’re lying

[civic cipher]

Bro gonna work at sequoia

[bold onyx]

maybe

idk what firms r doing the program this year

[civic cipher]

Oh is there a specific program?

Btw do you know anything about the pathway to VC. I was pretty interested in it as a career path bc In hs I have worked a good Amt in Ed tech

[bold onyx]

yea penn program for fgli kids

u get 10k to work at a vc firm in cali

i love penn 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[burnt osprey]

Bro

I hate how Penn abandoned me I’m involved in none of the first gen stuff

[bold onyx]

basically impossible to break into out of undergrad, u gotta do banking or have startup experience

[bold onyx]

u could have done it last year

[burnt osprey]

I didn’t know it existed lol

[bold onyx]

its for fgli / fg or li

[bold onyx]

bruh

u gotta networj

[burnt osprey]

I’m on zero of the first gen mailing lists

[bold onyx]

have mentors who tell u this

[burnt osprey]

First year was rough ok

[burnt osprey]

Lmaooo I had no one 😭

[bold onyx]

L networking

[burnt osprey]

Ok now I do

[bold onyx]

@plucky locust and the STEP mentors have been helping sm

[burnt osprey]

W

That’s sweet

We love Joseph

[bold onyx]

W

now u go ib

[burnt osprey]

Nah

[bold onyx]

🥶🥶

coward

[burnt osprey]

I’m figuring stuff out on my own idt ib I’d for me

[bold onyx]

do consulting

consulting is for everyone

[burnt osprey]

Only if I can’t afford graduate school

I will do consulting for a bit to afford it

Otherwise no

I’m doing an HR internship this summer

So I’ll see if I like HR ig lol

Wait Emre did I even get to tell you about that

[civic cipher]

Wow wtf I’m fg

[civic cipher]

Damn can consulting also be a pivot point or nah? Not tryna do IB tbh 💀

My friend at Goldman was telling how once he was called to the office at 12 am on a Sunday 💀 like hell nah

[civic cipher]

What’s this program called btw

I may wanan talk about it in a supp lol or interview

[bold onyx]

no but thats a W

[bold onyx]

why do grad school bruhh

[burnt osprey]

I working for unilever

[burnt osprey]

Idk vibes

[bold onyx]

yea, but its prolly a lot harder

[civic cipher]

Damn so r u gonna IB after college?

[bold onyx]

yea even at MD level the hours are crazy. i was talking to a s&t MD at citi and he said he works from like 5am-9pm or something like that

[bold onyx]

breaking into entrepreneurship or something like that, ill double check after i shower

[bold onyx]

bruh

[bold onyx]

hopefully not, i’d rather break into PE and have my efforts pay off in the long run

[civic cipher]

Holy fuck man.

[civic cipher]

Yea gl gl that seems plausible

[burnt osprey]

Mfw A2C on the resume gets me a position over people with literal HR majors at Cornell

[bold onyx]

bumnell

cuz theyre bums

and we betta

[bold onyx]

yea its apparently not that hard from wharton which surprised me 💀

[civic cipher]

Yea also aren’t some ppl at Wharton interesting…I think ur more tha fine. I was helping out some of my friends in Wharton w Econ and it was interesting 😭

[bold onyx]

getting help from a high schooler for bepp is crazy 😭😭

the class isnt that hard if u put in like an hour of effort

[civic cipher]

Bro not tryna be mean but they couldn’t do beginner Econ. I was helping like 6 guys out 💀💀💀

I think they just had their mid term yesterday

[civic cipher]

I would hope so it’s level 100 Econ 😭

Are Wharton and CAS Econ classes diff in rigor?

[bold onyx]

ohhh that was probably normal econ

[bold onyx]

yea cas econ is a decent bit harder

so makes a little more sense

just a little… 😭

[civic cipher]

yea i think some of them r cas and others r wharton

[civic cipher]

nah but still

it was easier than ap econ imo 💀

[civic cipher]

oh i see. is it more mathy?

[plucky locust]

wharton kids are hella dumb

me too

[burnt osprey]

Hi traitor joe

[civic cipher]

LMAO i didnt say that

[plucky locust]

@burnt osprey i hope u know i tried pulling SO MUCH FOR YOU BABY GIRL IM SORRY IT DIDN'T WORK OUT 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔

[civic cipher]

wait is this actually kinda true tho

[burnt osprey]

LMAOOO 😭😭😭

[plucky locust]

WONT EXPOSE THE CB GC BUT

[burnt osprey]

It’s fine who care about student governmmet 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[plucky locust]

deadass

[burnt osprey]

👁️

[plucky locust]

they just wanted like a hella videography person

[burnt osprey]

Nah I’m overbooked this semester anyway

My courseload is fine I just am in way too many clubs rn

[plucky locust]

fuck cb

[burnt osprey]

That’s fair

Fuck cb !!

[bold onyx]

yea just harder in general

more real econy

[bold onyx]

so real

[plucky locust]

so much harder i took econ and i was like fuck this shit hi wharton

[civic cipher]

based

[civic cipher]

ill be applying as mathematical econ 😎

well taht was the original plan

[plucky locust]

you like hell

do u wanna be in academia

[civic cipher]

yes ! but now im applying for huntsman instead 😆

[bold onyx]

me roommate is doing mathematical econ

[plucky locust]

huntsman is hella cool

[bold onyx]

but also tryna transfer to wharton

[civic cipher]

no but i like math + econ

😆

[civic cipher]

how feasible is that

[civic cipher]

🙏 im applying for korean so we will see. i did a program in korea and that was sensational so i really wanna continue that

[plucky locust]

just do wharton trust

[bold onyx]

very hard afaik but joseph would know better than me

^

[civic cipher]

💀 i got academia profile

tho

[bold onyx]

if u wanna do something business related just apply wharton

[civic cipher]

like labor econ research

[plucky locust]

just makes ur life so much easier

[civic cipher]

dang

[plucky locust]

no one gaf

[bold onyx]

^

[plucky locust]

i didn't do a single biz thing

[bold onyx]

u could prolly get into jws with that too (im guessing)

[civic cipher]

shi so if im doing huntsman shld i put my backup as wharton instead of cas?

[plucky locust]

for sure

everyone in huntsman associates with wharto more

and theres a reason

[bold onyx]

😭

[civic cipher]

whats the reason

[plucky locust]

penn and overall society and the general workforce favors wharton

its annoying

its unfair

and i hate that

and its so elitist and dumb

[civic cipher]

it's true tho

[plucky locust]

but its the way it is

[bold onyx]

joseph were u in that event today

with sof

[plucky locust]

no im acc home for the wknd

[bold onyx]

o

[civic cipher]

i feel that. hmm the only reason iw as thinking CAS was cuz my profile just aligns more to academic/pure things but that makes sense

im a think about my new approach to the supps then 💀

[bold onyx]

idk why i thought that was u then oops

[plucky locust]

apply to whatever u want

[bold onyx]

^

there's a whole research program in wharton

[plucky locust]

A lot of my wharton friends didnt do business in hs

[bold onyx]

wharton isnt anti-research/academia

[plucky locust]

in fact a lot of people do econ econ research

[civic cipher]

yea ofc ofc but i dont really want to do academia tbh 💀

[plucky locust]

wharton just wants like unique people

[bold onyx]

like us

[plucky locust]

that stray away from like annoyin finance peopple

no

[bold onyx]

we so unique

[plucky locust]

no

[bold onyx]

im so unqiue

unique

[civic cipher]

hmm i guess i am a bit diff cuz my perspective is like labor econ & linguistics 💀

[plucky locust]

no one really gaf about your profile

bringing my honesty to the table

if your EC's are cool and accomplished then yay!

[civic cipher]

hmm interesting. what matters theb

just how i sell myself?

[civic cipher]

accomplished 💀

[bold onyx]

life is about how you sell yourself

[plucky locust]

well obviously your profile but how you portray it in the context of wharton and its offerings

i literally fit gender studies into wharton and transferred in which is i would say harder than getting into wharton first try

[civic cipher]

okay lemme cook on some research then

[civic cipher]

o wow. were u in the college initially?

[plucky locust]

ya it seems like you have a unique insight which is sick but connect it to wharton

also its not that deep

if. you really like the college to the college

[civic cipher]

yeah i have some ideas

[plucky locust]

i feel like i wouldve done the same recruiting wise in the college

[civic cipher]

nah it's not really like that. i just wanted to apply to smth my application story can more easily align to

[plucky locust]

I got into the VC program Emre was talking ab and got superdays for Morgan Stanley for my sopho summer when I was still in the college

[civic cipher]

i think wharton may be actually easier in some aspects

[plucky locust]

that makes sense

then in ur case i would do wharton

[civic cipher]

bc i worked in edtech and a bit in datascience stuff too 💀

[bold onyx]

vc program 😍

[plucky locust]

i j hate the wharton favoritism so much its so fucking annoying but its not like i can deconstruct it

[civic cipher]

wow wtf

[bold onyx]

also that reminds me it is called Bet on Entrepreneurship

[bold onyx]

it is, it's designed to be easier

[plucky locust]

and i literally hate Wharton students who have this innate superiority complex and have condescending thoughts about penn

[civic cipher]

lol i met this random guy when i was at penn to meet my RA

[bold onyx]

like penn colleges outside wharton or penn as a uni

[civic cipher]

great dude. gave me a lotta insight but he was shitting on the college (he was a wharton guy)

[plucky locust]

other colleges

[civic cipher]

i meant for my profile to match up with, but yea its classes are easier too 😭

[plucky locust]

the most annoying kids who make penn annoying socially and professionally are stacked in wharton

[civic cipher]

could i still pursue math or cs easily if i wanted to?

[plucky locust]

but its also what penn is known for

[plucky locust]

ya

[civic cipher]

dubsss

[plucky locust]

wharton degree is hella easy you can still study a lot of other things

a lot of my friends in Wharton are getting their wharton degree and a MASTERS IN CS OR DATA SCIENCE ALL in 4 years

granted theyre smart

but

[bold onyx]

i feel like i havent met anyone who's genuinely been condesenceding towards the other colleges yet, but i also feel like i've been pretty good with making friends who r good people

[plucky locust]

youve been here for a month ❤️

[civic cipher]

holy fuck

that's amazing

[bold onyx]

[civic cipher]

okay time to switch some plans 👀

[plucky locust]

you dont see bad things about penn until youre in it for a while

[civic cipher]

still have 3 weeks to crank these out

[silent acorn]

Wharton is ez af?

[plucky locust]

i had a honeymoon phase too tho bb

[silent acorn]

EDing

[bold onyx]

yes

[plucky locust]

penn is my absolute favorite place on earth and like literal perfect school for me

and wow am i lucky that i didn't get into brown ED

[civic cipher]

wait joseph r u a current junior?

[silent acorn]

penn the least cold ivy anyways

[plucky locust]

soph

[civic cipher]

oo nice

[plucky locust]

it actually gets pretty hard

[civic cipher]

all of my friends r either fresh or junior 💀

[plucky locust]

but

not as bad as other schools

[bold onyx]

i dont want it to end

[silent acorn]

cant be harder than my spanish 3 class

[plucky locust]

but wharton kids have the worst sophomore year + beginning of junior year bc of recruiting

[plucky locust]

wait hs spanish was harder than my intro wharton classes ngl

[silent acorn]

free

[civic cipher]

wait recruiting for full time? or like internships

[plucky locust]

just let yourself feel and embrace change in your friends, feelings, and environment and you will be good

[bold onyx]

classes themselves arent that hard i think but the recruiting stuff is what makes it hard

[silent acorn]

what is recruiting

[civic cipher]

some of the penn CIS kids are crazy too. i had a friend who got databricks, optiver, imc, and another quant firm 💀

[silent acorn]

i aint trying to get a loser ass job

[plucky locust]

recruiting for junior summer internships which are usually the ones that turn into full time offers which u work after graduation. I'll probably know what im gonna be doing after graduation in like 6 months which is pretty fucking crazu

[silent acorn]

im an entrepreneur

[civic cipher]

wow. that's great bruh. r u going into IB?

[plucky locust]

then again i like to think im on top of my shit and engaged in the recruiting circles and a lot of peers are not which is completely ok -- people just have different personal sprints and timings

[civic cipher]

mhm yea

[plucky locust]

something in business

[civic cipher]

the hedonic treadmill 😩 —never stops

[plucky locust]

i 8

[silent acorn]

what da money look like

[plucky locust]

it really never does

[silent acorn]

150k?

200k?

or dead broke

[plucky locust]

it depends but if youre in banking like 200k out of undergrad

[civic cipher]

8 million 😂

[bold onyx]

recruiting circles as in like networking w recruiters/alumni and stuff or like peers

[silent acorn]

200k 💀

[civic cipher]

what the work life balance tho 😆

[bold onyx]

left me speechless ngl

[silent acorn]

thats nothing

i want real money

[plucky locust]

more j like upperclassmen mentors that just went through recruiting

[civic cipher]

then go make a startup, use other ppls money, burn it all, and be depressed

[plucky locust]

and like really smart and personable friends who share everything recruiting with you

[plucky locust]

absolutely horrible

[civic cipher]

yea :/

[silent acorn]

ill get that 200k job for a few years ig

[plucky locust]

but going to penn is literally like a 8-12 am job

[silent acorn]

get da money

[plucky locust]

my hookup at goldman said that penn is same difficulty as Goldman interns

[civic cipher]

my dad got into consulting after a couple years. my family's financial situation improved but eh works soooo much

[civic cipher]

damn

[civic cipher]

wait why?

[bold onyx]

always so busy

[plucky locust]

its just equal to the intensity and mental distress

similar to finance

and the people here are so social and on top and seem perfect

[bold onyx]

homework, networking, learning stuff on ur own, clubs

[plucky locust]

bc we all have this actttttt

[civic cipher]

yea i got those vibes. i was there around the "honeymoon" time right after NSO

[plucky locust]

me included

[civic cipher]

oh it's like that duck dsyndrome thing right

[bold onyx]

yea seems like some people are so far ahead when in reality theyre just as lost as i am

[plucky locust]

im still as lost as you man

i think people think im like some

idk

lemme take it down 10000 notches

but im struggling hella

[bold onyx]

i swear everyone's in the same situation

[plucky locust]

i feel like theres a reason penn has such big struggles with mental health

[bold onyx]

like upperclassmen always say u cant do penn by yourself, and im like kind of starting to understand what they mean

[bold onyx]

yea

[plucky locust]

thats hella true

[bold onyx]

the finance mindset drives people crazy

its driving me crazy 😭

i think all my friends are so put together and ahead and stuff, but EVERYONE is struggling

[civic cipher]

yall makin my ED school sound grim 😭

[bold onyx]

if you're aware of the problem, i think it's easy to face

the only issue is a lot of penn students are like too proud to ask for help

but if u have the support system, you'll have a great tiime

that's just my opinion idk im only a freshman

[civic cipher]

yea that makes sense my hs is kinda like that but ofc scaled down—hyper competitive where everyone plays a farce kinda that it's all perfect

[burnt osprey]

Yet u sell out smh

[burnt osprey]

I’m chilling speak for ur self

[bold onyx]

liar

ur gaslighting urself rn

[burnt osprey]

Summer internship secured

96+ in all my classes

Clubs going well

Social life fine

Im chilling

[vital cradle]

Taking writing seminar for a good professor but I just suck work load is very manageable if u have the right professor

[burnt osprey]

I loved my writing seminar so much

Do not sleep on dr. Helen Jeoung!!

[civic cipher]

yea tbh i just really wanna improve on communication through writing lol

[vital cradle]

I have Dr. Shaleigh Kwok

She’s amazing

[burnt osprey]

That’s the point of the class which is refreshing

A lot of high schools don’t really teach you that

[vital cradle]

Love it when my professor just removes assignments to lessen my work load

[civic cipher]

i used to do some poetry and editorial writing, but i think recently my writing style has gotten a bit verbose (college apps r hard cuz of that 😭 )

[civic cipher]

yea they dont :/

my teachers liek fluffy analysis 💀

[bold onyx]

for now…

[burnt osprey]

I get overwhelmed too easily I’d rather err on the side of less

[opal silo]

It’s the Vandy AO jit that everyone respects on a2c

[burnt osprey]

He said that about Penn?

[opal silo]

Yep

On his website

He said it like March 2023 too

Wild shit

[burnt osprey]

Interesting

[desert coral]

what

what is going on

oh

Penn says explicitly that it does not consider demonstrated interest, but what harm is there in showing it?

So ofc u should, but you shouldn't feel obligated

that's all

[opal silo]

Ah ok

[civic cipher]

@plucky locust Can I dm u a question about Wharton vs CAS

[plucky locust]

yea sure

[plucky locust]

can’t say too much but cds are lying penn def considers demonstrated interest imo

[civic cipher]

Preciate u thanks. I’ll probs send it tmrw cuz I’m about to sleep now

[burnt osprey]

Oop

Joseph w insider information okk

[civic cipher]

I mean doesn’t ever school kinda consider it to an extent lol

*every

Like isn’t the why us essay an exercise of an applicants demonstrated interest in a way

[opal silo]

wtf 😦

like all types or just ED as demonstrated interest

[plucky locust]

all imo

[opal silo]

o

ok ty

[plucky locust]

not in annoying ways though

[opal silo]

like emailing regional AO?

[faint badger]

ur regional AO is not remembering ur name

[opal silo]

my name is william penn

[grizzled aspen]

u mean the guy who explained the entire app review process?

[grizzled aspen]

I mean I feel like some AOs might feel a little bit more positively about you if they can see you really love the school

[vital cradle]

I visited Penn like 6 times

[plucky locust]

me when i never visited until i had to commit

[grizzled aspen]

I visited in april

that’s kinda what made me want to apply

[burnt osprey]

Me when I committed without ever having seen it irl

Literally only bc u said it was better than williams 😭

[plucky locust]

KKAKAKAKKAKSKSKSKSKSKDZJSJ WAIT NO WAY I REMMEBER THAT BRUH

DO U THINJ YOU MADE THE RIGHT CHOCID

did i eat..

[burnt osprey]

Honestly

Imma be real

No

Jk I think Penn fits me better in most ways

I would’ve hated the rural environment too

I get told Williams suits me better tho..

And also idk the pre professional vibe of Penn is taking me out

[opaque pilot]

Kayak

U Give Swarthsmore or Barnard or Williams Energy

[burnt osprey]

Damn.

[opaque pilot]

what

are u insulted..

KAYAK

IM GETTING A HAIRCUT MRW

TMRW

[burnt osprey]

W

[opaque pilot]

wait

lemme send hair rn

shorter or keep length

[burnt osprey]

Tbh keepnlength

[opaque pilot]

ok

ima just get trim and layers hten

my girlfriend told me to go bald

[bold onyx]

i told u to go bald too

[opaque pilot]

..

[bold onyx]

am i ur girlfriend…

[opaque pilot]

Ur daddy

[bold onyx]

im ur daddy??

[opaque pilot]

Yes Papi

[burnt osprey]

No nsfw

[rotund drift]

No nsfw

[opaque pilot]

No nsfw

[bold onyx]

😏

[green ibex]

https://www.thedp.com/article/2023/10/penn-faculty-student-ratio-data-higher-education

interesting 👀

[bold onyx]

penn still better 😹😹

they removed that from metrics for 2023 and we ranked higher than before

[sharp parrot]

ivy league schools dont inflate your numbers challenge

[burnt osprey]

People realize that the USNews ranking is an advertisement/pay-to-win deal and full of deceit rather than an actual resource challenges

[green ibex]

the same Columbia math professor dove into this

Michael Thaddeus

[hard vale]

for the thank you note, does it require an academic aspect or can i just be thankful

[bold onyx]

u can just be thankful

mine was to my coworker

[burnt osprey]

No need to be academic

[random wedge]

@bold onyx emre did you join a consulting group?

j curious

[bold onyx]

nah idt i wanna do consulting

im considering it again now

but still not sure

[random wedge]

oh ok cool

i know penn had policy consulting

[bold onyx]

penn has a consulting club for anything u can think of tbh

[random wedge]

yeah, super interesting

[bold onyx]

the marketing club does consulting for CVS

[random wedge]

thats so cool!

[bold onyx]

yea clubs used to do actual work for big companies and stuff until wharton said "no, u guys need to start doing pro bono work for philly businesses"

so now its like mostly helping small businesses in philly for free

[random wedge]

thats amazing! penn seems great i wish i could apply ed

i might who knows haha

[bold onyx]

u should

penn best school ever no cap

[random wedge]

yeah, i think it's my top choice

is doing an uncordinated dual degree w/wharton difficult?

if i do ed i think i'd apply for cas (health and societies)

[burnt osprey]

Yeah you’d need to apply for it

[bold onyx]

in terms of coursework, dual degrees are a lot of work

and yeah ^

[random wedge]

yeah

[bold onyx]

you could apply to lsm which is the life science management program

[random wedge]

does hsoc qualify as stem?

[bold onyx]

but also u dont need to be in wharton to get a business job

[bold onyx]

not sure what hsoc is tbh

[tacit ice]

i read that as islam 😭

[random wedge]

health and societies

[bold onyx]

i think so

[random wedge]

oh ok, it seems more to be like public health

[copper notch]

no way

[lean quiver]

can some1 read my upenn thank you note and tell me why its bad

[faint badger]

it shouldn’t be.

[faint badger]

i can if u want

[lean quiver]

yes

[random wedge]

what?

[faint badger]

joking!!

[random wedge]

oh lol ok

r u applying ed?

[opal silo]

bro do not share it with seniors tf you doing jit

[lean quiver]

when ur at rock bottom ur at rock bottom

also i only give my essay to like seniors ik have bene on here to often that they wont just steal mien

[opal silo]

theyve been gaining your trust just to back stab you 💀

all im sayin is watch out bro

[bold onyx]

tbf copying another seniors essays is very dumb cuz u both get punished if they notice

[opaque folio]

^^

sharing w class of '24 rn is very dangerous 😭

[random wedge]

yeah wouldn't reccomend, keep your essays safe

[random wedge]

they gon plagarize and steal all of your ideas and then say they were using ur essays as "inspiration" 😭

[faint badger]

its a thank u note its almost unstealable

[hollow inlet]

so would i be crazy to ED upenn if i thought i practically have no chance. i have mid gpa (3.6 UW), but i have 34 ACT and impressive ECs (founded non-profit) Im applying comms and a lot of the values they list line up with the goals of my nonprofit. pretty much all the aspects of my app r strong except my gpa, but i also had health problems which explain my poor performance in 9th + 10th, which i explain in additional information. so would a hail mary ED be crazy?

also my neighbor does alumni interviews for upenn and she said they’d eat my story up😋😋

[fringe surge]

never knows unless u try ig

[bold onyx]

^

[faint badger]

u have a chance

[fringe surge]

idk but I feel like upenn still puts a bit more emphasis on sat/act than other ivys (excluding hyp) do yall have any idea like that

[hollow inlet]

ty🙏

[opaque pilot]

I think it’s the opposite imo

[burnt osprey]

I’d assume it’s about the same esp looking at their CDSs

Penn doesn’t have a substantially higher admitted average ACT/SAT than HYP

[fringe surge]

i see

[desert coral]

Do swipes or dining dollars carry over to next semester

[bold onyx]

no

idts

[desert coral]

I thought one does

[bold onyx]

maybe dining dollars but i doubt it tbh

[desert coral]

I thought it was swipes

Somebody told me that but idk if it’s true

[bold onyx]

i doubt it

penn is greedy gremlin little school

[desert coral]

Oh it’s dining dollars

Googled it

They carry over to next semester

[bold onyx]

o

thats good for me

[desert coral]

Swipes don’t

Uh not for me

[bold onyx]

i still have so many dollars

[desert coral]

Wait so

[bold onyx]

im at like $320ish

[desert coral]

They reset and add extra on

Or I have to keep using what I have left

[bold onyx]

oh i thought u said they reset

wait

no they do reset

and like prolly take the amount u have left and add $400 to it

[desert coral]

“Regardless of what dining plan you have or whether or not you change your dining plan, all Dining Dollars carry over from the Fall semester to the Spring semester and expire on Commencement. All swipes expire at the end of the Fall semester and on the last day of finals in the Spring semester.”

Goddamn

Commencement is crazy

[bold onyx]

what is commencement

i thought that was only for senior

s

[desert coral]

I’m in the quad courtyard

[desert coral]

Graduation

[bold onyx]

o

so it is only for seniors

[desert coral]

I guess

Should I get sushi or bowl

[bold onyx]

popcorn chicken

[burnt osprey]

Yes

Dining dollars

Swipes don’t

Dining dollars do not carry over to the next year tho

[burnt osprey]

I’ve gotta try mclelland I always forget it exists

[bold onyx]

its so good

its just such a small portion size

i always use 2 swipes when I go

[burnt osprey]

Good thing I have too many swipes

What’s ur go to order

[bold onyx]

same

[bold onyx]

at mclelland i always get popcorn chicken bowl

i dont like sushi

[burnt osprey]

Inch resting

[bold onyx]

but grilled chicken wraps at hillel 🔥

[burnt osprey]

I’ll try some after stats

[burnt osprey]

Bro I need to go to Hillel too

Hdjsbfjdjs

[bold onyx]

Hillel is soooooooo good

[burnt osprey]

Last year I only rlly ate at Kcech and forgot I could eat kosher food

[desert coral]

Too late

[bold onyx]

i havent ate a kcech since nso

i always forget abt it

[desert coral]

I have to start

I’m always hungry still

[desert coral]

It’s good

The pizza is good

[bold onyx]

i also wanna go to quaker kitchen

i havent been yet

but theyre serving pork ribs this week

[desert coral]

Quaker kitchen is ok

Better quality than most places I think

[bold onyx]

i hear its a lot better than other dining halls

commons so is cheeks

im never going back

[burnt osprey]

It’s a much nicer dining hall

Def cleaner and prettier

The food also feels more intentional

[bold onyx]

why didnt u live in gutmann this year

gutmann so cool i wanna be in gutmann next year

[burnt osprey]

You act like I had a choice

Housing is rough

Everyone’s assigned a random time slot and it’s first come first serve

[bold onyx]

why didnt u come firster

[burnt osprey]

Me and seven of my friends tried to strategize, the two of us with the best slots would take in three of us each and we’d get the best option available

Guttman was full full

So we settled for greggy which is fine

I don’t mind it

Maybe next year

Is the line at Hillel long usually

I might start getting breakfast theee

[bold onyx]

not really

[burnt osprey]

Kk

[bold onyx]

sometimes it gets busy around lunch

[burnt osprey]

What get stommons quickly

[bold onyx]

but idk if hillel serves breakfast

[bold onyx]

nothing

[burnt osprey]

Oh true

[burnt osprey]

Smh

[bold onyx]

save dining dollars

[burnt osprey]

Why

Last sem I had $50 extra I’m so mad

[bold onyx]

i wanna try for guttman with my friends next year

[burnt osprey]

Pray for a good time slot

[bold onyx]

it didnt carry over??

[burnt osprey]

Iirc there’s preference for rising seniors and juniors tho

[burnt osprey]

No it doesn’t carry over after the school year ends

Oof $9 spent at stommons

I’m like at $140 dining dollars

[bold onyx]

oooo

[bold onyx]

bruh

u r NOT having any left over this sem

[burnt osprey]

To be fair, I have the second year plan

With lower starting number

[bold onyx]

yea but dont they go off campus usually

[burnt osprey]

True

Ik I’m not

[bold onyx]

why

isnt it cheaper

[burnt osprey]

No

Off campus is pricier

It’s just more spacious and stuff

[bold onyx]

i thought if u found cheaper housing than penns it would be a lot cheaper since fin aid covers it

[burnt osprey]

More freedoms an actual kitchen etc

[burnt osprey]

Gl finding cheaper housing

[bold onyx]

whats the upperclassman plan

[bold onyx]

bruhhhhh

[burnt osprey]

It’s like half the amount of swipes and dollars

And it costs less

[bold onyx]

wtf

thats worse

[burnt osprey]

Nah

[bold onyx]

yea bc fin aid ?!?!

[burnt osprey]

I don’t eat a lot

[bold onyx]

well for me

[burnt osprey]

Uh

[bold onyx]

i do

[burnt osprey]

I don’t have a full ride

[bold onyx]

im a big boy

[burnt osprey]

So that extra like 7k saved is worth it

[bold onyx]

theyre being poorcist

whats the word for poorcism

[burnt osprey]

No as an upperclassman you can still go on the first year plan

[burnt osprey]

Classism

[bold onyx]

yea classism

[desert coral]

I’m at 195 😎

[burnt osprey]

Getting lunch at Kcech for old times sake

[opaque pilot]

@burnt osprey

Part 2

[bold onyx]

rizzler

[vital cradle]

I used to be floral designer

I’ve made better 💅

[opaque pilot]

die

[opaque folio]

bro is literally the most romantic bf THAT IS SO CUTE AH.

[true cliff]

rizz god

[upper zealot]

Damnnn

So nice

[opaque folio]

emre popped up in my linkedin suggestions 😭

[bold onyx]

cap

[opaque folio]

i was messaging wharton kids on linkedin that might be the reason help

[true cliff]

bro started networking before even getting into wharton

[bold onyx]

why 😭

[hybrid skiff]

Is this penn state

u famous

[bold onyx]

yea ik

im mad doxxable lmao

[hybrid skiff]

u just need to change ur user

[bold onyx]

nah idrc

[hybrid skiff]

true

[bold onyx]

im bigger than a solid 99% of this server lmao

[hybrid skiff]

not me

trust

[opaque folio]

HELPL JUST 2 OF THEM BC I VAGUELY KNEW THEM NOT NETWORKING SDLFKJSDF

like friends mutuals so i was like HEY HI DO U KNOW [NAME]

and then getting dirt on her

jk it was all in good fun i was just pestering teehee

[burnt osprey]

Uh

Intriguing

Further solidifies my opinion that high schoolers shouldn’t be on LinkedIn

[opaque folio]

😭 prob not

[opal silo]

linkedin is great i can see what other stats and ecs my classmates have

[opaque folio]

SDFKLJFDS

ur classmates use linkedin??

id be so freaked out if anyone of them did

[opal silo]

like half my competitors do 💀

[opaque folio]

i-

oh god

[opal silo]

they dont put enough shit on there sadly

my biggest competitors are too cautious 😦

[opaque folio]

i-

stalky scary

[opal silo]

😄

whatever it takes

[burnt osprey]

Competitors when speaking about ur classmates in hs is insane

Seek help

[opaque folio]

RIGHT

my hs is competitive but theyre not competitors thats so scary to think abt

[opal silo]

cant deny the truth

everyone out here is a competitor

[opal silo]

i will when i get my upenn acceptance letter

[burnt osprey]

Do you plan on acting like that in college /gen

[opaque folio]

"competing for my goldman sachs position" frfr

[opal silo]

lol whats /gen

[opal silo]

absolutely not

once i get into upenn i will ascend to the heavens and transcend into a greater being, blessed with the power of the holy ivies (minus dartmouth)

[tacit ice]

sorry you actually have to have a minimum of 5 generations of legacy to get that achievement

[opal silo]

ok good thing my last name is franklin and my ancestor is ben

[burnt osprey]

genuinely

[opal silo]

ok

well genuinely

i won't act so crazily, ill probably mellow down when i go like 1/20 on my reaches

[opaque pilot]

Definitely not me though

[burnt osprey]

Please don’t discuss doxxing thx

[bold onyx]

im bigger than u lil bro

[opaque pilot]

U PR like 165

But u weigh like 200.

[bold onyx]

im 6’1 200 im bigger

no idea what my bench is tho ngl

[lean quiver]

Big bro

[gray pasture]

Screenshotted

[opaque pilot]

I regret selling my motor cycles

[lean quiver]

I’ve done worse

[faint badger]

there are named scholarships at penn??!

[burnt osprey]

It’s nothing special

I have it

It’s randomly given

[faint badger]

oh

[bold onyx]

some of them let u have dinner with the donors

[burnt osprey]

My donor is dead

So I wouldn’t know

[bold onyx]

i think mine are too lol

[true cliff]

dawg 💀

that got so sad

[frigid seal]

I assume all need based?

Ivies don't give merit scholarships right

[burnt osprey]

Yeah it covers part of financial aid

You get the same money just different source

[bold onyx]

yea they dont

well for undergrad at least

grad schools have merit based scholarships afaik

[civic cipher]

https://www.nysun.com/article/revolt-against-moral-confusion-in-the-ivy-league-rocks-penn-as-huntsman-foundation-ends-its-long-time-support-for-a-school-it-says-has-become-unrecognizable

💀

me when im applying for huntsman

[burnt osprey]

Don’t discuss the politics of his reasoning here pls

But yeah kinda an L

[civic cipher]

oh yea

i wasnt going to

lol

just like 💀 bc im applying to huntsman

[burnt osprey]

Yeah just a preemptive warning

Tbh it isn’t the biggest deal we have enough money for a while

[civic cipher]

yeah

[cedar mountain]

dawg i hate to bug you about things outside of a2c

but did you ask the professor yet

thankies

[fringe surge]

whats goin on at penn dawg

[timid shale]

same wait does that mean theyre stopping the program 😭

[fringe surge]

i don't think so

[timid shale]

ok good good

[bold onyx]

no lol

program was named after them bc theyre big donors

it doesn’t run off their money or anything

10 mill is a drop in the bucket for penns endowment

[timid shale]

thats good

[timid shale]

arent they mormons

idk i heard that somewhere

[bold onyx]

no im p sure theyre jewish

[timid shale]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Huntsman_Jr.

no i think it's this guy?

anyway penn has lots of republican graduates damn

[bold onyx]

yea its him

[tacit ice]

no the huntsmans are mormon

[faint badger]

like every school?

[true cliff]

makes sense tbh

im sure a lot of wharton profs gotta be all about deregulation and laissez faire economics

[fringe surge]

oh fr?

[true cliff]

NO

IM GUESSING BRO

DONT ASSUME

[fringe surge]

do univesities even teach austrian stuff tho

[zenith oasis]

Huntsmen will be a chill plural for the surname 😭

[teal sandal]

Anyone has examples of accepted Penn supplements?

[true cliff]

search on the internet

[fringe surge]

Sorry for the politics, but would it be a dumb move to mention about the Palestine conflict on my Huntsman supp

[burnt osprey]

Yes very

Do not do that

[fringe surge]

alr2 ty

[bold onyx]

extremely

[random wedge]

Woah 10,000 messages you guys are active

[burnt osprey]

My impact

[random wedge]

maybe don't...you never know what your reader thinks ab the conflict and if they support what you support. definitely don't talk about it. i wish they let us talk ab issues and not have our apps be subject to that bias but that is the reality unfortunately

[fringe surge]

Makes sense thanks

[true cliff]

do not talk about controversial stuff

[zenith drum]

for the thank you note supplemental, is it a bad idea to write it to a friend? I know parents/family members aren’t recommended, but what abt close friends or peers?

[bold onyx]

nah u can do friend

[faint badger]

u can do fam and parents too, its the content that matters

[zenith drum]

ok thanks!

[fringe surge]

6 is still solid tho?

[bold onyx]

wake up break up

[upper zealot]

💀

💀*

nah bro dont even apply to safeties with a 6 in a IB HL

imagine not getting 45

u fucking failure

[true cliff]

no

cc will reject u

[true cliff]

dawg how are u not broke yet