University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) (2023-2024)

[royal gale]

im applying

[keen ether]

Don't do it

If you wanna do DS

Because it's not rigorous enough

I still recommend stats

Yes

It's gonna be hard you need to meet the grade reqs

And you'll need to ICT since you aren't in LAS

No, X + DS is new they haven't done anything with it

Not anything much at least

Easy

Why would it be impossible? CS + stats is a single major and you can double with any other humanities major while getting a strong data science education

[wet plover]

I've applied CS Econ... I think the CS + would be really freaking good

[keen ether]

But either way don't do the DS or IS programs if you wanna do data science, they don't even take calc 3 or stuff idk how they are supposed to do any data science modelling that isn't pre developed by other MLEs beforehand

Heck even the creator of the program says X + DS is made to be less rigorous so it's more inclusive

[keen ether]

Ya

[wet plover]

I'm hoping I get that bc even tho my gpa is low like I'm calc 3, high SAT, 5 in csa, well versed in econ and cs related stuff and instate. I'm really banking on UIUC saying yes... even if it's the 2nd choice quant econ because if not i willl definitely be in panic for what colleges I even can get into

[keen ether]

I mean what gpa do you have

Some people call 3.8 a low gpa even

[wet plover]

3.74/4 unw, 4.74/5.33 w

[keen ether]

That's not bad

That's a gpa that can get you into CS + econ

And especially since you are well versed in both sides

[wet plover]

fr? I mean I know how competitive CS+ are

[keen ether]

It's more important that you are good in both CS and econ than a super high gpa imo

[keen ether]

Yea I've seen people with 3.7 gpas get in

[wet plover]

ok that's actually relieving to hear

because i've had friends with 4.5/4.6 weighteds get rejected from less competitive majors

like significantly less compeetitive

like chemistry and environmental sciences

[keen ether]

Yea it might be an essay issue

But yea that's kinda weird uiuc is usually safety for those majors

[wet plover]

esp in state I'd feel

[keen ether]

Yea

Are you instate?

[wet plover]

yep. were you?

[keen ether]

No I was international

[wet plover]

ah got it

[keen ether]

The instate boost should be nice though

[wet plover]

Hopefully!

thanks for all your advice to me and to everyone else in this thread!

[smoky hornet]

🙏

Will very non competitive majors in LAS that are not CS have a much lower bar for getting in?

Cuz these stats are generally pretty high

[keen ether]

Yea it'll be easier

Tbf there's a lot of CS + x majors thats messing with the stats

[smoky hornet]

Yeah that makes sense

[hearty lily]

got me feeling like death again lfg

shoulda lowered my standards ages ago

[mellow kindle]

You’re really helpful bro thank you

[royal gale]

done with both of my supps for CS!

it was chill, 150 words

[formal cedar]

could you give me an idea on how to start the second prompt?

i'm kinda lost, i can't find info on it anywhere online

[keen ether]

What's the second prompt again?

[floral locust]

does anyone know if deiccisons can come out earlier for some students ? or is it a hardset date for jan 26 or something like that?

[keen ether]

It's usually all on the same date unless ur an athletic recruit or smth

[floral locust]

ohh okay thanks

[jolly fog]

Oh ok nvm then

[tiny sentinel]

is stats & cs a hard major to get into

im lowkey scared cuz i applied that

[charred grove]

all cs majors are hard at UIUC

stats and cs probbaly the harder one of the cs+x tho

[tiny sentinel]

i have a strong cs app and ml experience

but im scared cuz i didnt take ap stats

im hoping they overlook that

[charred grove]

ap stats a joke

[lilac jackal]

All my friends hate AP stats

[tiny sentinel]

i didnt take it cuz no space

[royal gale]

should i submit a 1380 (780 math, 600 english)

for comp sci

as an international with a good english profciency score

[spring berry]

I would not

[oak trail]

It’s an English class bro I swear

[quartz plover]

Can you superscore English

The math is really good if you’re applying for engineering

[royal gale]

what about CS?

[royal gale]

thats superscored, my english a month later was a 540 💀

[quartz plover]

Oh jeez

If you have good English proficiency test scores I would submit tbh cause math 780 is really good

But I’m not 100% sure

CS falls under engineering

[stable anchor]

Uiuc doesn't superscore unfortunately

[quartz plover]

lmao i forgot your name was familiar from this discord

[stable anchor]

lol

[surreal kindle]

me when my parents bought me a uiuc sweatshirt for christmas just for me to get rejected

[lilac jackal]

decisions are out?

[surreal kindle]

no

im predicting im gonna get rejected

my parents boguht me uiuc merch to wear for colleg

but its gonna be really funny when i cant wear it anymore in a year

[lilac jackal]

i need college merch honestly

do we get it on the official site or nah

[magic granite]

To what extent do employers consider CS+X degrees inferior to CS degrees looking for a typical CS job? (Specifically CS+Econ)

[lilac jackal]

okay so

+x is new

there's no way to compare

also if you finish the CS curriculum, you finish the CS curriculum. it's not like jobs will hold it against you to learn econ

[magic granite]

Ok ty

[keen ether]

It's decently hard but not as hard as Grainger CS

[keen ether]

I didn't and they fucked me over for that LOL

Same as u with ML experience

[keen ether]

Definitely not

[keen ether]

No they think it's a double major

I've basically telling recruiters im double majoring and they could know less

And yah a lot of my CS + x friends got internships year 1 anyway

[tiny sentinel]

How so?

[keen ether]

Lemme send u my reddit post

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/s/JYbQDnjuBp

I viewed my cs + stats admissions file

I was the last admit into the program

[tiny sentinel]

Ohhh I’ve read this before

[keen ether]

Never taken ap stats

They didn't like that

[tiny sentinel]

Chill hopefully they bless up for me

[keen ether]

Yah

[tiny sentinel]

Tbf ur intl applicant tho

Since I’m domestic it should be easier

[keen ether]

True

We'll see it's been 2 years since then

So admissions as a whole got harder

[tiny sentinel]

Yeah

[hearty ridge]

i really hope i remembered to select cs + math as my second choice major

[lethal mesa]

i don't think you can select cs + math as second choice

[hearty ridge]

yeah thats what im thinking

but if it is available i hope i remembered to do it

nvm google says cs+x isnt available for second choice

ah well

[surreal kindle]

what did u app first choice

[hearty ridge]

cs lol

so correction: i really hope i remembered to select math as my second choice major

[surreal kindle]

how much less competitive is compe in state that something like cs intl

[smoky hornet]

Wish I was a ‘22 grad

Seemed a whole lot nicer

• junior year during COVID seems good

[stable anchor]

CompE instate is a lot less competitive than CS international

[smoky hornet]

If you submitted thru common app then you can download the file and they tell u which majors you selected

[hearty ridge]

been trying to but the cell connection where im at is super low

[keen ether]

Nah my AP exams were cancelled 💀 couldn't skip calc had to redo the whole sequence

Set me back a whole semester in terms of coursework

[tepid umbra]

Why were your scores canceled?

[keen ether]

my exams were cancelled

[tepid umbra]

I see

That sucks

[past widget]

how bad is a C in ap calc 😭

[keen ether]

Pretty bad 💀

[jolly fog]

💀 at least ur honest

If it’s one C it may be ok still tho

Idk abt UIUC specifically tho

[hearty ridge]

i did not 🙃

welp

[hearty lily]

ihatemyenglishteacher ihatemyenglishteacher ihatemyenglishteacher ihatemyenglishteacher ihatemyenglishteacher

covid year ass grades 🔥🔥🔥

[jolly fog]

🫡 it will be ok

[smoky hornet]

but i heard uiuc does not even look at midterm reports

[coral nest]

they better not

i got a B- in calc bc

[ashen tapir]

🌽

[stable anchor]

🌽

[fading kiln]

🌽

[hearty lily]

🌽

[median slate]

Corn

[tepid umbra]

Assuming all of my school's release their decisions on time, they won't see my midyear report

Cause my semester ends in feb

[sonic nebula]

🌽

[last cloud]

oh its gg's

[neat galleon]

🌽

[keen ether]

Eh

I would just answer the prompt

Don't think of it as a why us and why major type thing

[median slate]

Yeah I didn't either

I forgot what specifically I wrote about

like a trauma response

[keen ether]

Uh

Ur fine

Dw about opportunities

CS + X got the same too

Don't worry about finding jobs with CS + X

Yes

It definitely is

But I have CE friends doing fine

Offers at like Snapchat

And stuff

Yah

Yes for swe

CE still takes data structures

And Algorithms

At uiic

Arguably the core classes to do swe

Hm

Don't worry about pride it doesn't matte down the road

Yah

Embedded

Robotics

Not good

Neither is any tech market rn

Idk like systems coding for machinery

They at Lockheed lmao

[spring berry]

how do ea vs rd acceptance rates differ

is it easier to get in ea

[keen ether]

A lot easier to get in EA

[spring berry]

FUCK

how much easier

how much harder is it to get in rd

[neat galleon]

My dude just apply and pray

Worrying about this stuff aint going to help you

[spring berry]

I'M SO BEHIND ON MY APPS LAOUHAEOSNHUEOATSNKHTNAEOSHUTNAEOHUTNSEOHUTNHUOTNHUTNEO

[neat galleon]

Welp, you got like a day or two 💀

Go nuts

[royal gale]

no?

[median slate]

depends on the college

[neat galleon]

Yeah, most unis are jan 1… some take to jan 5

[distant spindle]

Do they factor first semester grades into decisions since first semester ends before decisions?

[royal gale]

for cs + music

is there any required repertoire

??

[jolly fog]

cs + music wild combo holy

[royal gale]

bro im demotivated now

[hearty lily]

i think you need to send a portfolio yes

[jolly fog]

i didnt mean it in a bad way

i thought it was cool actually lol

[royal gale]

how

[hearty lily]

i didnt apply ther but heres this https://music.illinois.edu/admissions/undergraduate-programs-and-application/undergraduate-degrees/bachelor-of-science-cs-music/

looks like another essay a portfolio and an interview

https://music.illinois.edu/admissions/applicant-auditions/upload-instructions/?preview=true

and you submit it to their dropbox by jan 10th

[keen ether]

They take most CS majors thru ea

[keen ether]

Ngl it should be better called CS + audio engineering

Considering the amount of audio computing they do in that major and Fourier transform stuff

It's actually a lot more technical than most CS + x majors loll

[fading kiln]

Completely agree with that. I personally know some CS + Music majors who is currently in audio industries like Bose, Shure, audio technica etc

Also just a side note, i just feel that we are in an era where a lot of ppls know how to program

I am a resident advisor in one of the freshman dorms, all ppls (ranging from CS, blended cs majors, non majors) take CS courses

I also have a lot of peers who are not in CS or ECE, all take CS minor or even take courses beyond the requirements

So what i want to say is programming skill will be just expected standards from now on. It is important for each individuals to develop unique projects or product that showcase creativity

Or i just think in this case CS blended majors can have the edge since they can BOTH program && apply knowledge to their respective fields

Usually my pure CS peers just dont know which fields of computing they want to dive in since the curriculum is too flexible towards the end. Most of them end up in normal SWE or banking/consulting

So just an advice, if you are choosing CS or any computer related degrees (CS&, CS+, Compe) make sure to also find another reason of doing it other than “6 figure jobs”

U WILL have to compete with other peers to secure your place on jobs, those degrees mentioned above is no longer a one way ticket to getting jobs that easy

Now that most ppls know how to program

[hearty lily]

gotta make yourself stand out

[fading kiln]

Exactly!👍

[hearty lily]

chose EECS mostly for the startup culture tbh

the last thing i want to do is swe

[fading kiln]

Same here. A lot of my peers want to do startup at the end after they gain some experience from industry

[lilac jackal]

Or u can be a chemical engineer, be depressed from the workload, and end up working for a business major!!!

[fading kiln]

I have a cheme peers as well chem classes at uiuc is hell

They were dying in chem 202

[hearty lily]

trying to do it right in and out of college is really risky but

[lilac jackal]

Oh lord how are they

[hearty lily]

whats life without a bit of thrill

[fading kiln]

I have a friend who won chem Olympiads, and even him struggled a bit in that class

[lilac jackal]

[fading kiln]

But there was a decent curve at the end so that saved him

[lilac jackal]

Good

I mean

[fading kiln]

I just feel like i dont want to spend my entire life working for companies really. I have dreams and ambitions that i wish to control

[lilac jackal]

Chem will always be hell

I’m hoping to get those hard classes out of the way earlier

[hearty lily]

same here really, i want to fulfil my aspirations and it seems like the only way to do that is to forge your own path

otherwise you end up slaving to big tech

"you WILL do exactly as you are told and you WILL be happy about it"
seems kinda condesending tbh but i have my own goals that i wish to fulfil

[lilac jackal]

Yeah

[fading kiln]

The thing about me is that i am an international student. So i would ideally work for some companies first, gather engineers who have common goal, and green card(or PR). Then i would safely do a startup

[hearty lily]

speaking of, hows the startup culture? i know lots a companies have roots in uiuc but i havent heard anything in particular about how things happen

[hearty lily]

im kinda lucky that this is my state school

cant always say you got a top choice in your backyard

[fading kiln]

https://entrepreneurship.illinois.edu/startups/

[hearty lily]

thanks ill take a look

[fading kiln]

https://tec.illinois.edu/startups

https://cityscholars.grainger.illinois.edu

[hearty lily]

i hope city scholars are avaiable for blended cs majors

[fading kiln]

City scholars is an exclusive internship experience for CS / ECE students so if u want to take a look as well here!

[hearty lily]

ok they are

nice

[fading kiln]

Yeaa it is also for CS+

[hearty lily]

glad i picked EE as a second choice

people were telling me to pick applied math

[lilac jackal]

I know a lot of colleges that have entrepreneurship pitches

It’s like shark tank irl lol

[fading kiln]

Yeapp you did that well! Coz EEs also have access to a lot of exclusive computing programs like city scholars and campus computing researches

[fading kiln]

Did you know whipped cream was invented by uiuc cheme students?

[hearty lily]

a lot of cali companies here oddly

[fading kiln]

So all the starbucks whipped cream and stuff was invented by cheme

[hearty lily]

its mostly cali actually besides IL

[fading kiln]

A lot of ppls move to cali after graduation(i mean most of oos students are from cali)

[hearty lily]

ah fair

so is uiuc esentially a berkeley reject school

😭 /s

[fading kiln]

Coz berkeley EECS is super crazyyy

[hearty lily]

yeah i heard its basically a lottery

[fading kiln]

I would not put berkeley eecs as same with rest of berkeley

[fading kiln]

When i was in highschool i had a friend who was like mid on academics, she got in to berkeley’s liberal arts program. Our valedictorian was rejected by Berkeley eecs

[hearty lily]

thats absolutely crazy

bros just spin a wheel

literally what berkeley EECS AOs do all day

landed on number 2

congrats!!!! the rest, be gone

[fading kiln]

Also rule of thumb is think it is becoming real obvious that the acceptance to “state schools” really depends on major or specific college or programs. For private, should be overall but there are some exceptions like NYU stern or Upenn. You can also see that for public schools most CS or computing related degrees are hard to get in, whereas for private business related majors are harder to get admitted to

[lilac jackal]

Slay

[stable anchor]

i didn't know that
ill tell my parents that lol

[lilac jackal]

A cheme at the college I tourned invented sunscreen

[hearty lily]

honestly i applied CS but realized my interests are more towards the compe side of the spectrum

[stable anchor]

the EE to CompE switch is pretty easy

around a third of the EE people I met freshmen year switched to CompE lol

[fading kiln]

Yeap EE to Compe is easy since we are together in the department of ECE

[hearty lily]

i think some of the people in EE are cs rejects

[stable anchor]

a lot of people in EE are CS rejects lol

it's one of reasons why so many EEs switch to CompE

[hearty lily]

yeah they want to get as close to cs as possible

[stable anchor]

yep

[fading kiln]

Compe is really just CS + EE lol

We take same core classes like CS 225 and CS/ECE 374

[hearty lily]

thought if i wanted to do ML i would have to apply like statscs (which i did)

however i realized ialso want to combine that with embedded so its maybe a ee minor

[fading kiln]

Upper CS classes too have ECE sections to reserve spots for Compe

[hearty lily]

do you know if this happens vice versa?

though i heard ECE isint as difficult to get classes in

[spring berry]

wait how much hardware is compe

cus i wanna do like 25% hardware 75% software

[fading kiln]

Early classes like ECE 120 220(compe class) and ECE 110 210 (ee class) has major restrictions so it is hard to get in as a non major

[spring berry]

if i majored in cs i'd primarily take ece courses anyways i'm just kinda turned off by the ee

[fading kiln]

But upper classes should be fine to get in

[hearty lily]

my essential thinking is if i get into any of my top 6 schools for CS (uiuc, gatech, umich, udub, cornell, cmu) and nothing else i go there, with uiuc being by far the easiest

idk if id do uiuc ECE over target cs if i got EE

[spring berry]

yea that's what im struggling with here lol

can't tell if i should do cs or ce

becaune if i took ce my overall experience would be p much the same

cus im only gonna take like os and embedded courses

[hearty lily]

if youre lower level take Compe

[fading kiln]

This immediately tells me that u should major in compe

Coz for CS they barely touch those with CS 233 i believe

[hearty lily]

seconded

[spring berry]

i think im just not interested in ee + worried abjuh job prospects 😭

[fading kiln]

But for compe we have classes like ECE 391 which takes u much more indepth in OS and embedded

[spring berry]

cause i wanna specialize more in software

[stable anchor]

you have to take 3 EE classes as a CompE

[fading kiln]

Yeap ECE 110, 210 and one of ur choice

[hearty lily]

idk if ece minor covers embedded

[fading kiln]

And then u are done

[spring berry]

oh really

[spring berry]

can't you take embedded as cs?

[stable anchor]

there aren't really a lot of embedded courses at uiuc unfortunately

[hearty lily]

rip

yeah honestly devices/threads in general has me hooked to gatech

[spring berry]

also why tf is cs so much more competihive than ce anyways

[hearty lily]

likely ill commit if im accepted

[hearty lily]

people want a high paying swe job

[spring berry]

is it easuer to get firmware jobs as ce than cs

[stable anchor]

everybody and their mom wants to do CS for the swe money

[hearty lily]

im probably like 1 of 3 people who dont want to do swe

[fading kiln]

Software engineering jobs. A lot of ppls dont really want to look at circuits 😭

[spring berry]

lowk i just wanna do it so that i at least have enough money to spend more time on other stuff im more interested in laver LOL

[hearty lily]

i live for the thrill of risk

[fading kiln]

I talked to alot of my pure CS friends and 4 out of 5 ppls tell me they just want to do swe no circuits 😭

[hearty lily]

i actually found words for what i wanted to work in

embedded ml

real time data in a tiny form factor

[fading kiln]

My goal is AI chip 🤩🤩🤩

[hearty lily]

but its in its early stages unfortunately

[fading kiln]

I have nvidia intern interview coming up next week wish me luck 🤩🙏

[hearty lily]

oh nice

[stable anchor]

good luck

[fading kiln]

AI chip AI chip 🤩

[spring berry]

asdfd idx if i want to do circuits or not

[hearty lily]

idk if id be eligible for nvidia interviews as cs

[fading kiln]

Thank you guys ❤️

[hearty lily]

i want some hardware stuff but

[spring berry]

cus lowk ithe part abouh embedded i like is primarily just whe software

[hearty lily]

like i want most of the CS in AIML and basically only embedded from ECE

[spring berry]

yea same

im not super into like integrated circuits and stuff

i just wanna write firmware

lol

[hearty lily]

still id suggest compe for you

[stable anchor]

CompE doesn't go that deep into EE stuff

[hearty lily]

compe is lower level than CS

[fading kiln]

U guys making good points here

👍

[hearty lily]

unless you REALLY want to work in high level AI/SWE stuff, compE

[spring berry]

ok yea isl just do compe anyways lmao

[spring berry]

nah i don't give. ashit about ai LOL

this is why i took off jhu

half their classes are just nlp and cv

[hearty lily]

JHU is cracked for AI?

[stable anchor]

just be aware that ECE 210, which is the second EE course for CompEs, is very hard

[hearty lily]

yeah i want to focus in ml cv to apply to hardware/embedded

[spring berry]

i think that's cool

ya

it'd be chill making like the stuff super optimized

i just don't like actual ai stuff cus itas too experimental

[hearty lily]

fair enough

[lilac jackal]

Isn’t EE a top 3 difficulty major tho 💀

Why would ppl go into that

Unless CS is a super hard major but I wouldn’t expect it to be

[hearty lily]

not everyone enjoys their life

[lilac jackal]

I mean CS is the same at any college right

How hard can it be

[hearty lily]

so is EE

[stable anchor]

can confirm

[lilac jackal]

Any engineering is the same

Honestly

The only difference is “rigor” (how shitty the profs are)

[stable anchor]

^

[hearty lily]

real

[stable anchor]

I completely agree

[hearty lily]

i think cs+x isint abet

ik cornell cs isint

im not sure about gatech, maybe only a specific thread combo is

[stable anchor]

most CS+X degrees are in LAS so they are not technically engineering majors

meaning that they don't need abet

[fading kiln]

Oh also just fun fact there are no pretty girls in CS/ECE dont bring ur hopes up 🤣

I mean u wont even have time to date anyways lol

👅

[hearty lily]

idt there are at any school

besides love < my startup

well i should say

i love

i want to love

but ill love my startup company

😈

[stable anchor]

I somehow got a gf lol

[lilac jackal]

U could always date outside of major lol

UIUC has some CRAAAAZY frat parties I’ve heard

Meet some chicks there 🤷‍♂️

[stable anchor]

that too
I'm an EE and my gf is in IS

[lilac jackal]

Info sci?

[stable anchor]

yeah

[lilac jackal]

Do ppl usually meet other in gen 3
eds???

Tinder???

Idk

[stable anchor]

We met on discord lmao

[lilac jackal]

UIUC disc?

[stable anchor]

yeah
specifically the one for the 2025 freshman

[lilac jackal]

Hope I’m not grilling you lmfao

[stable anchor]

it's alright

[lilac jackal]

Are the parties here good

[hearty lily]

isint this the #1 party school

[stable anchor]

yes the parties are good
tbh idk much about them because I barely go to any lol

[lilac jackal]

I don’t think so

But I mean

Any B10 school is party

[rain surge]

From UIUC's site:

If you took either test more than once, we'll use your highest sub-scores in our evaluation. However, we don’t use your highest sub-scores from different test sittings to create a super-score

Tf does this mean doesn't taking highest subscore literally mean superscore

[neat galleon]

damn most people I see here are applying CS + X

Kinda worried as I applied the normal Grainger CS

[fading kiln]

Students in the blended degree programs have more opportunities than those with a plain computer science major, Amato believes, in part due to the ability to specialize. For example, a company like John Deere may be more likely to recruit a student blending computer science with crop or animal sciences.

https://fortune.com/education/articles/what-can-you-do-with-a-computer-science-degree/

UIUC Computer Science department head said this

Nancy Amato

[neat galleon]

More worried about the acceptance than the job opportunities

I am going to work in cybersec so imma be fine with a plain CS degree

Getting into UIUC as an OOS for CS is a lot more worrying

[fading kiln]

Yeaaa that is probably the hardest

For that you just have to hope and pray

[neat galleon]

yeah lmao

Do you mind sharing your stats btw? I see you are an intl as well

[royal gale]

do you think compEs have lower salaries than CS?

[fading kiln]

Yeaaa in short I had:
3.98/4.0 (unweighted GPA)
43/45 in IB curricula
1580 in SAT
ECs captain and founder of a TED computing club back in my highschool
Won one of the most innovative awards in national tech entrepreneur challenge in Singapore

these are just real brief stats when i applied

[neat galleon]

yeahhhh never fucking mind

i will go back to the purdue thread 💀

[royal gale]

💀

[royal gale]

same same

[royal gale]

u applied ea bro?

[neat galleon]

Yep

[royal gale]

samee

[fading kiln]

Last year it was reported
CS: $126,770
Compe: 109,809 (somewhere around here)
EE: 81,000 (somewhere around here)

[royal gale]

if CS reaches 300k

compE can do 280k ish then

[neat galleon]

It means you are in the wrong thread

[royal gale]

lolol

[fading kiln]

Yeaaap since uiuc is so good for Compe

[royal gale]

yeah

even purdue is i think

like top 7

uiuc top 4

compE

[neat galleon]

i aint getting into UIUC with my stats

Cooked fr

[royal gale]

idk if i should choose compE or CS haha

[royal gale]

ur ecs mid?

i applied fye to purdue

u?

[neat galleon]

Naw, my grades are mid

like for freshman and junior year they are mid

For sophomore and predicted senior I got a 95.6%

[neat galleon]

But this is like 88%

[fading kiln]

For cybersec, definitely computer science

[neat galleon]

Which is very mid for t20

[neat galleon]

fye?

[fading kiln]

Especially since you cannot transfer into CS (you cannot change your major to CS)

[royal gale]

oh so computer scientists can wrok cybersec jobs?

[royal gale]

first year engineering

[neat galleon]

ah

[royal gale]

would u say cs at case western is too bad?

[neat galleon]

I applied CS everywhere

I know what I wanna do

[royal gale]

purdue top choice yah?

[fading kiln]

case western is awesome Uni man you should be happy with the offer

[neat galleon]

nah, UIUC and GATech

Actually well its MIT but waayyyyyy out of my league

[royal gale]

bruh purdue cs is like 10%

[neat galleon]

I know

[royal gale]

acc rate

[fading kiln]

☠️

[neat galleon]

It’s also my reach

All 3 of them are reaches for me

[royal gale]

so jobs wouldnn't reject me for cs positions because i did case western?

[neat galleon]

but obviously if I had to choose

[royal gale]

purdue so soon

[neat galleon]

Lol it’s my dad’s delusion

I know I aint getting in

I think my SAT and ECs are good for UIUC but I pray that the AO skips through the transcripts

[fading kiln]

Tbh the recent I trend I see is that the name value of the school doesnt really matter when it comes to opportunities in Computer Science (at least for top 50 ~ 60) (this is my observation from linkedin communication with my peers). The most important thing when it comes to CS jobs is your project (both personal and group), coursework, and extracurricular activities.

[royal gale]

so dartmouth won't necessarily get u a job at google if ur not qualified ye?

[fading kiln]

Ask your dad to win a lottery. If he said it is impossible tell him that is how it feels like 😂

[royal gale]

some a2cers in general chat say that google positions r guaranteed for ivies

undergrads

so dumb

[fading kiln]

Yeap. Either way you will fail your tech interviews anyway if you really dont know what your doing

Days of auto offers from companies are gone. They are looking for skills

[royal gale]

Paul Buchheit founded gmail

from cwru

[neat galleon]

Ah he believes that it’s worth a shot… he doesnt take into consideration how much time I had to put into essays for a uni I know I have 0 chance at getting into

[fading kiln]

For business majors it makes sense. For computer science no

[fading kiln]

I can tell your parents are asian

[neat galleon]

yepppp

[fading kiln]

sorry if i am wrong

opppp

[neat galleon]

Wait does uiuc look at freshman grades

[royal gale]

if purdue admits me

im going

[fading kiln]

I think they do but not importantly

[royal gale]

like legit

accepting

the same day

[fading kiln]

they look at the "rigor of highschool coursework" which is mostly during sophomore and junior

[fading kiln]

Purdue is amazing for computer science man

[neat galleon]

I am delusional for higher ranked unis

[fading kiln]

I personally have a friend who successfully switched from psychology to CS during his junior year of college at purdue

he almost died lol

[neat galleon]

Kek

[royal gale]

i applied first-year engineering

so if i work vry hard and meet the requirements

i can switch to CS

if i couldn't, i will probs do compE

[neat galleon]

Why not CS?

[royal gale]

because acceptance rate lower

im international

i wanna secure my shit

[neat galleon]

ah well

I apply and pray

[fading kiln]

In the case for my friend who successfully switched i think he took 2 CS courses and got As

[neat galleon]

Wait did the uiucrejects.com guy not renew his domain

[fading kiln]

You will quickly realize how unfortunate you'll be as an F-1 student 😭 Most of the positions for career fair @ UIUC this year were "US.Citizens" only. My international CS and Compe friends literally just wondered around clueless lol

[royal gale]

😭

purdue might reject me

or defer me

[neat galleon]

man that sucks

[royal gale]

if that happened, cwru isn't a death sentence for CS I guess

[neat galleon]

What are your other safeties/targets?

[royal gale]

cwru or purdue

[neat galleon]

You only applied to 3 schools?

[royal gale]

probs

i don't have time to apply to crazy

shit

[fading kiln]

Found some good uiuc courses for cybersecurity

1. ECE422/CS461 - Computer Security I
2. ECE419/CS460 - Security Laboratory
3. ECE424/CS463 - Computer Security II
4. ECE/CS407 - Cryptography

kind of new post but also consider: https://www.reddit.com/r/UIUC/comments/18t6wiu/whats_the_best_way_to_get_involved_with/

[neat galleon]

Thanks

[vestal bloom]

u from sg?

[fading kiln]

I am from korea but i studied at singapore due to my dad's job

[vestal bloom]

thats cool man im from hk but studied at sg cus my dads job also

[keen ether]

Marry an American citizen

[lilac jackal]

It means:
If you slept during the math portion because you needed a good English score, you’re fucked.
If you tried on all sections of all tests and did well then that’s good.
Example:
800 math + 600 English

• 750 math + 770 English good

800 math + 600 English

• 300 math + 770 English bad

[stable anchor]

Damn the EE average is low.

[rain surge]

ah aight my total scores are basically the same so im chillin

[fading kiln]

It’s probably because there are EEs working in different sectors aside from FPGA/computer hardwares. I personally know some EEs in FPGA with easy 6 figures, vs ppls working on power grids and stuff with 70k

@stable anchor

[stable anchor]

true
also a lot of the good paying EE fields like RF, IC design and semiconductor design require a masters to break into

[fading kiln]

Very true!

[clear hill]

UIUC deadline is 5 Jan right?

[last cloud]

yeah

[jade lake]

for RD?

[clear hill]

Yeah

[jolly fog]

Interesting

[fading kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyato3wXsN4&t=797s

little old video, but 4 years ago universities had conference about CS+X at MIT

UIUC part starts around 38:30

[hearty lily]

who was the original uni to + X

[keen ether]

Us I think

[fading kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJzpP8Ot35o

Introducing New UIUC Cybesecurity Courses

[neat galleon]

Yeah I have that, pretty good stuff

[midnight mango]

Hi

Happy new year

I really need help with a question regarding second choice majors

I just releasized that I didn't submit a second choice major in my UIUC application

so I went on the wbsite and choose chemical engineering at College of liberal arts and sciences

as my second choice major

so my question is: Does UIUC consider u for ur second choice major seriously? and since I applied for a second choice major a little late, like 3 weeks before application, does that effect my chances?

Also what is the acceptance rate for Chemical engineering at UIUC?

I applied to CS + BioE as my first choice major in Early Action program

[fading kiln]

As far as I know UIUC will prioritize your first choice major. If they feel like the first choice major is not the fit, then they will consider your second choice

[midnight mango]

right but

I had not selected a second choice major

which I just now realised

[fading kiln]

I do not think it will effect you unless your essay shows that you rushed

[midnight mango]

oh then its fine

my essay is good i think

[fading kiln]

yeappp

[midnight mango]

Is it hard to get into chemical engineering

at UIUC?

also why is chem eng at College of liberal arts and sciences??

[fading kiln]

Depends on your stats, region(internationl, instate, OOS), etc

[midnight mango]

Intl

my friend go in two years back with a shitty profile but a 1530 SAT score

he was also an intl from my country

[fading kiln]

Not 100% sure but probably because Cheme program was made within the department of chemistry (which is in LAS)

[midnight mango]

oh ok

but I hear that the acceptance rate is high

for LAS

like in the sixties

[fading kiln]

Try to check LAS freshman profile, i personally think Chem to be 50% and above of LAS average

[midnight mango]

oh ok thanks

but r u sure right, I would be considered for my second choice major even though I just submitted

for it

like right now

3 weeks before

the results

[fading kiln]

If you chose CS + BIOE as first choice why not select BIOE as second?

[midnight mango]

BioE is tough as hell to get into

I was sure that I wasn't getting into BioE

[fading kiln]

That is trueee

[midnight mango]

Chemical engineering I am usre Ill get into

if

they

review my app

[fading kiln]

Are you planning to ICT to grainger?

[midnight mango]

what is ICT?

[fading kiln]

like switch major

[midnight mango]

@fading kiln do u think they will review my application now as I have changed my second choice major, like what if they already took a decsion for me?

[midnight mango]

noo, if i get into chem eng I am gonna be happy in that only

i won't switch to grainger

[fading kiln]

You submitted your app before deadline. So should be fine!

[midnight mango]

the deadline was 1st Nov tho

[fading kiln]

Cheme program in UIUC is amazing as well!

[midnight mango]

I know

that why it is my second choice

@fading kiln when is the deadline then?

[fading kiln]

Are you talking about EA or RD?

[midnight mango]

Early action

[fading kiln]

Uhhh i thought EA is already done?

[midnight mango]

yeaa

that is why i am scared

[fading kiln]

Did you get your decision already? correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the EA decisions were already out?

[midnight mango]

no

EA descions will be out

in 3 weeks

26th jan

I am intl student

[fading kiln]

Oh uhhh then i think that might be problem

[midnight mango]

y?

they won't review my application?

[fading kiln]

wait how can you fill up your app after submission?

[midnight mango]

it said u could

lemme send u

[fading kiln]

Aight you can personal DM me

[midnight mango]

If the Early Action deadline has passed, you will be considered in the Regular Filing Period if you change your first-choice major now. Changing only your second-choice major will not impact your Priority Admission status.

[midnight mango]

alright thanks

[fading kiln]

Ohhh I see then you should be fine

@midnight mango There are instances where if you get admitted to your second choice major then you are waitlisted for your first choice major

UIUC always considers your app even before the uni start date

In other words, you do not have to worry

[midnight mango]

OMG

thank god

thanks man

I really appreciate ur help

so they would consider me for my second choice major right? even though I submitted it right now

[neat galleon]

uiuc my beloved please accept me

[midnight mango]

us bro

[fading kiln]

No worries man. I remember my friend got rejected from chem, got accepted to his second choice major food science, but right before the school started, the admissions offered him chem.

[neat galleon]

Cant wait till 26th aaaaaa

[fading kiln]

You got this! Meanwhile we start our SP24 semester on the week of 16th

Have you guys visited the campus?

[neat galleon]

Haha I am an intl

It looks quite good though

online that is

[fading kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7myJkBYkack
(Computer Engineering)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlXbgFczuIg
(Computer Science)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKszC4gP5xo
(Chemical Engineering)

[neat galleon]

how are the dorms/food btw

[fading kiln]

It depends. ISR is where a lot of engineering students live, with the best facility and dining hall. Allen hall is old and the dining hall food is really bad loll

[neat galleon]

aw the CE video/building looks much better than CS lmao

[fading kiln]

LET ME SHOW U OUR BUILDING

[neat galleon]

Good to know! Thanks

Are you sending a pic or something jj lmao?

[fading kiln]

https://youtu.be/C8-0_wNS0w4?si=qj4ITKLlast8vxIa

I dont think i can send pictures here lol

Instead there is an awesome video about the building!

This is one is for CS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWI_44jMkI

ECE building was built 2014
CS 2004

[neat galleon]

oo CS isnt bad either

I do love electronics so the labs at the ECE building attract me

[fading kiln]

OOOOO then you will love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SllqysENRoM

this video was made inside ECE Nano Fabrication Lab

[hearty lily]

ive been to the CS building and its p good

great place to study but i think most people work together in the food halls

havent been to ECE building

[hearty lily]

Also near CS building too?

though since im statscs i might need housing closer to the quad

or invest in a skateboard

[neat galleon]

My man dont make me regret CS

[fading kiln]

It is a bit of walk but not too bad. Also ISR is close to LAS (main quad) as well so your stat classes won't be far either

[fading kiln]

You can do CS and minor in EE!

[neat galleon]

Ayo

[hearty lily]

this is my plan tbh

stack on ECE courses

[neat galleon]

i was planing on minoring in Cybersec if its available

[fading kiln]

Yeap! Just keep in mind that CS and Compe cannot minor each other

so you cannot have CS with compe minor

and the other way around

[hearty lily]

is it impossible for a blended cs to switch into compe or ee given grainger restrictions

[neat galleon]

Looks like there is no Cybersec minor

EE it is

[hearty lily]

just stack on courses

[fading kiln]

Should be okay!

Just keep in mind (CS+X, Compe, Meche) are the 3 top popular majors ppls switch into

Bioe too as well i think

[hearty lily]

though i should be fine if im coming from one of those no?

[neat galleon]

Honestly I dont know much about the minors system… Is there any advantage other than pursuing my interest?

[fading kiln]

Submit an online application during the appropriate application period. Application link will be available only during the appropriate application period (see “ICT Application Periods” below).
Application Contents
Specify three majors of interest, in ranked preference. Only two majors can be competitive majors. Competitive majors are: Aerospace Engineering, Bioengineering, Computer Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering. Indicating more than two competitive majors will have a negative impact on an application.

this is what it says in grainger's website about switching majors

https://grainger.illinois.edu/academics/undergraduate/engineering-undeclared

under application requirements

For minoring you just have to declare!

[fading kiln]

I think switching from competitive to competitive should be a lot easier

@hearty lily I would just go with the CS+X degree and minor in EE

That way it gives you benefit of both worlds

[hearty lily]

fair, im just thinking if worst comes to worse and i need both i have the option

[fading kiln]

Just note, minor doesn't give your course priorities, meaning you do have to wait till course restrictions are over

Each courses (especially CS and ECE courses) have major restrictions. This means that they restrict the courses to majors only till a certain date and then open the courses to general campus

[hearty lily]

got it, ive heard ECE isint too terrible though

to get classes in

ik cs is abhorrent

[fading kiln]

Yeap! Intro to CS courses are

CS 124, introduction to CS 1 has thousands of students every semester

[neat galleon]

Damn

[fading kiln]

I am resident advisor in allen hall, literally ALL freshmen students there take CS 124 regardless of the major

And I ask them their plan

Almost everyone replied "I am switching to CS+X"

Animal Science Major: "I am switching to CS + Animal Science"

Advertisement Major: " I am switching to CS + advertising"

list goes on 🤣

[stable anchor]

everybody and their moms wants to do CS nowadays lol

[hearty lily]

want them swe jobs

when ironically the last thing i want to do is swe 😭

probably made the wrong choice ngl

might switch to compE

[fading kiln]

The rise and fall between hardware and software is every 10 year cycle. Each advance in hardware requires each advance in software. The other way around is also true. Now that we had significant advance in software, next decade will be devoted into hardware development. Amazon is getting ready to develop AI chip/accelerators for their AWS and cloud systems to run more efficiently. Nvidia’s value is rising with their development in AI chip. Apple is developing M series and A pro series chips that integrates neural network, which allows to accelerate machine learning algorithms day to day tasks like image processing and hardware optimizations

“If you want to build your own software you must build your own Hardware. Steve Jobs.”

This quote is what actually lead me to study Compe lol

I am just a fan of apple so much lol hence my discord nickname: everythingapplejj 🤣

[neat galleon]

lmfao I thought you liked the fruit 😭😭

[fading kiln]

😧😧☠️☠️👁️👄👁️

[hearty lily]

yeah i also wrote about how it is important that good software requires good hardware in my ee/compE essays

[neat galleon]

I did not do my uiuc essays justice 😦

[hearty lily]

i really shoulda written about that in my gt essay tbh

woulda made it more convincing if i wanted to do devices

[neat galleon]

Lmao I wrote very well for my safeties

Didnt get time for my actual unis

[keen ether]

80% of them don't care about CS too lolll

[hearty lily]

make a seperate major for swe

fr gonna make cs light

[keen ether]

Bad

I never liked the idea of a swe major

I think all CS majors should learn discrete and stuff

Swe major is nothing different from a bootcamp

[hearty lily]

nah but

for the cs people

who actually want to learn cs stuff

it becomes easy

[keen ether]

People would still learn cs

Imo

A lot of colleges offer swe degrees

And it doesn't reduce the CS load

[hearty lily]

fair ig

[stable anchor]

dang

I didn't know it was that high

[hearty lily]

wish more people did CMU style to cs tbh like dedicated majors in AI, robotics, etc

but like no one has the resources for that lmao

[keen ether]

Yah would be cool

Least we got cs + x

[hearty lily]

yeah true

i feel like most statscs people are for data mining or AI

[keen ether]

A decent amount are swe

Actually

[hearty lily]

applied as a cheat code?

[keen ether]

Most people I know actually hate the stats side

They only did it because the combo looks nice

[hearty lily]

imo if uiuc made an AI major

instant commit

[keen ether]

They don't care about stats

[keen ether]

Lol

[hearty lily]

but its gonna take a while for them to even formulate it

[keen ether]

I feel like AI is best left as a masters thing

Undergrads can't do much with AI

I prefer a well rounded CS education in the undergrad anyway

[hearty lily]

fair ig

[keen ether]

AI got too many prereqs and research focus for an undergrad degree

Applied ML tho can be done with a CS degree fine

[hearty lily]

yeah ig ill focus on that

heard uiuc doesnt have a lot on embedded otherwise itd be 100% perfect tbh

[keen ether]

It does I think

We are best in systens

And compE and EE do a bunch of embedded

[hearty lily]

i was thinking of embedded ML

[keen ether]

Oh

[hearty lily]

so stacking on ECE courses

[keen ether]

You'll probably find some profs doing it

[hearty lily]

how easy is undergrad research

[keen ether]

We got programs for em

Competitive af

So I just cold email

[hearty lily]

fair

[keen ether]

You get to do much more with cold emailing anyway

Just no pay ig

[hearty lily]

eh

sets you up better

[keen ether]

Yah

Some research labs do some cool shit here

[hearty lily]

uiuc got a ton of profs in cs

not the highest obv but very high up

shouldnt be to terrible finding a prof that likes me ig

UIUC is one of 4 with over 100

[keen ether]

Ya

Idk our research score is high

Csrankings.org

[hearty lily]

2nd

behind the obvious

on cs open
UIUC is 4th 101
MIT is 3rd 118
gatech 2nd 134
CMU with 235 💀

although in the 90s is just as good imo

[keen ether]

Ye lmao

Everything up there is the same

[hearty lily]

yeah at the point it depends on fit

and money

[keen ether]

Ye

[stable anchor]

there's not much embedded in EE

it's more of a CompE thing tbh

[keen ether]

Ah prob

EE more circuitry?

[stable anchor]

a lot of EEs do CompE stuff like embedded though

[stable anchor]

yeah

[hearty lily]

how will that work if i might do EE minor

just sign up ig?

[keen ether]

Yea

Just do the classes

[stable anchor]

^

[hearty lily]

alr

hopefully cs advisor also comes in clutch

[keen ether]

Yah

EE minor on top CS + stats ain't much

[hearty lily]

prob gonna talk to em more than LAS

[keen ether]

Ain't too much at least

Lol I talk to the Las one more

They are pretty good

[stable anchor]

I can send you a link the ECE server and they'll give you better advice than me lol

[hearty lily]

ah sure ig

(theyre gonna call me smelly im calling it) /s

i need to join more discords tbh

[stable anchor]

at uiuc ECEs are the stinky major

[keen ether]

💀

[hearty lily]

😭

[stable anchor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UIUC/comments/81r4pk/ece_385_massmail_tas_cant_handle_the_ece_stink/

here is the origin of that meme

[fading kiln]

heart broken but kinda true

[stable anchor]

yeah

[fading kiln]

@stable anchor I was studying in one of the classroom at ECEB, one dude keeps on putting his feet on the table. My head started aching so much, I had to tell him to PLEASE PUT THE FEET DOWN

[stable anchor]

you can actually smell it in the eceb sometimes

[stable anchor]

yikes

that's crazy

some people really need learn how to be mindful on others

[fading kiln]

Exactly ☠️

[jolly fog]

bro hwo do people not take showers

like cmon man

[stable anchor]

a lot of people get really lazy once they leave their parents' house
for some reason many engineering students tend to ignore basic hygiene

[jolly fog]

understandable but dude i can j feel when my armpits are sweaty

and like i have to take showers

[stable anchor]

same here

[fading kiln]

same here as well. I need morning hot showers... just feels sooo good!

[jolly fog]

i just feel like 10x better after a shower

sometimes they just freshen up the mood

[stable anchor]

uiuc doesn't superscore unfortunately

[coral nest]

yk what feels great

[keen ether]

Test opp

[coral nest]

coming home after a camping trip where you can't really shower

and then taking a hot shower

[keen ether]

The only time I've met a smelly CS major was during that cyber security contest

That was awful I almost vomited

[coral nest]

my school has an unbelievable amount of smelly kids

[keen ether]

Lmao

[coral nest]

last year there was this kid in my intro to engineering class and his smell covered a 10 foot radius

[keen ether]

💀

Also people who take over their shoes and socks in class should be kicked out

Fuck that

[coral nest]

lmfao

[pallid hornet]

I don't like wearing shoes and socks much, but if you wear them you should never take them off

I fear sharing a room with some unhygenic person next year

[fading kiln]

That is the most common roommate conflict

[leaden meadow]

damn y'all talking about cs and ce and ee while i applied as a journalism major-

[vestal bloom]

whats the best dorm at uiuc

or is it better to just rent a house with ppl u know

[charred grove]

OOS tuition for journalism is actually insane 😭

[leaden meadow]

wait tuition varies by major?

[charred grove]

No

But the tuition is like 50k+

[hearty lily]

depends

the closer to the quad (main center of campus) you get the smaller rooms are

depends on what you like the most

you have to stay in a dorm first year but youre free to rent after that

[fading kiln]

ISR without question

but ISR is really competitive, most ppls have hard time securing spots

[hearty lily]

i only really saw one dorm myself so i cant really say specifics

idr the name but its the one with a huge dining hall and transportation stuff at the fromt desk

its open

also added note: those who say that UIUC is just surrounded by cornfields needs to actually go there

CU isint chicago or nyc but its not like theres nothing to do

its a decently sized city

[hearty lily]

@stable anchor not sure if youd know about this but youre the only one online
stat 400 requires concurrent with math 241 but i already have a dual credit for it and i cant take it fall sem anyways

trying to build a schedule and just looking at everything

[stable anchor]

first sem freshman cant take stat 400 unfortunately

[hearty lily]

yeah im placing it in second sem

im told they meant to say credit for or concurrent enrollment with

[stable anchor]

stat 400 is easy
my gf got an A in it without taking calc 3

[hearty lily]

instead of concurrent enrollment is required

[stable anchor]

the calc 3 req is not enforced lol

[hearty lily]

alr

slowly starting to build the schedule, ill put in gen eds later ig

[stable anchor]

cool

[hearty lily]

also

math 347, recommend taking it fist sem?

or go straight into lin alg (415/416)

[stable anchor]

im not sure, i took math 257

[fading kiln]

I think MATH 415 is phasing out with the advent of Math 257

[hearty lily]

just 415 or 416 as well?

yeah unfortunately if i take linalg over the summer at cc it will give me math225

no it doesnt look like any cc will offer it

[stable anchor]

just 415

416 is the lin alg class with proofs
257 is the lin alg class with python

[charred grove]

uiuc has distance math tho?

[hearty lily]

has what

also i need 257/415/ive been told 416 could work for major

[charred grove]

https://netmath.illinois.edu/#:~:text=NetMath is the online self,to students around the world.

non proof based linear algebra is pain

its just determinant calculations

[hearty lily]

yeah you would know

😭

[charred grove]

lmao

[stable anchor]

ive heard netmath is terrible

[fading kiln]

Same. never used netmath before tho

[stable anchor]

i know a few people who did netmath in hs and none of them said good things about it

[fading kiln]

Yeaa I just took the vanilla uiuc math courses

I would say uiuc math classes are a gamble

like some of them are really good

some of them are really bad loll

Honestly depends on the professor lol

Manfroi and Bronski are the GOATs

(Diff Eq)

Jer Chin Chuang, not so much

(Lin alg)

[stable anchor]

i had manfroi for calc 3 and diff eq

he's the best

[fading kiln]

I would give that man a hug loll

[stable anchor]

same

[lethal mesa]

is CS + X unique to UIUC or there are many other uni that have it, specifically CS + Math

[leaden meadow]

It's the same for me everywhere lol

[keen ether]

PAR or PCH

[keen ether]

ehhh isr food sucks

[keen ether]

its a mistake, my advisor once mentioned it, they never fixed it. You can take stat 400 whenever you want and you don't even need to finish calc 3

[keen ether]

we started it

a lot of unis stole our ideas, like yale, stanford (it failed for them cause they didn't care enough about it), northeastern, etc

our cs+x (technically x&cs) program started in the 60s

math&cs is the first cs major at uiuc actually

pure cs came later

[keen ether]

nah

[keen ether]

I had a friend that did the same thing

altho she bombed a midterm I think

but final replace

one of the midterms had calc3 stuff on it and she bombed it I think

[hearty lily]

including freshman fall semester? im told its a stat department thing

[keen ether]

well excluding freshmen fall

you can take it any other time

[hearty lily]

alr

yeah rn im putting it spring sem

[keen ether]

ya

good idea

[hearty lily]

107 fall sen
400 spring
410+425 next fall
426 + elective next spring

theoretically i can complete the degree requirements in 2 years while leaving space for 2 ish geneds each sem

[keen ether]

Mmm sounds ok

Do gen eds

In ur first 2 years too

Don't leave em all at the end

[stable anchor]

I think we are talking about the same person lmao

[fast pivot]

is it hard to change majors at UIUC

im talking aeroeng -> mecheng specifically