More damage for ranged attacks

[meager chasm]

Ranged attacks need more usefulness.
I suggest:

1. Add area damage such as exploding arrows/bolts.
2. Add skills to bows and crossbows such as allow bows to penetrate light armor and crossbows to penetrate heavy armor.
3. Allow ricochets to hit additional enemies.
4. Add bleeds/poisons to ranged attacks.
5. Increase their base damage by at least 200%.

[dusky ingot]

200% is way too much but I definitely like the rest

[white ravine]

are you telling me that it would be balanced to hit this guy for 7.4k instead of 2.4k dmg?

[meager chasm]

No. Bows currently add something like 500% damage to the arrow. Adding 200% would only be a 40% increase.

[white ravine]

still not needed its strong as it is

killed this guy in 3 shots

full meteoric armor

[meager chasm]

Since its single enemy damage, it’s garbage compared to a 2H that can hit 15 enemies in a single swing.

[white ravine]

thats a very bad comparison they have diffrent use cases ranged does has the big advantage that you don't need to be next to whatever you are hitting

like on horseback for example if i were to use a bow against someone with a polearm he can't do anything to me because i can just stay at range where he cannot reach me where as i can hit him from far away

the only thing right now thats making ranged very bad is the lag and arrows not doing dmg even tho they hit the target

[pliant cedar]

Start using Armor Shredder Meteoric Arrows

The problem with bows is the mobility. The slowdown is way too much

Or heavy armor is too fast -> reduce slowdown reduction perks to 25%

[wanton vine]

Or get better aiming honestly because it sounds like a skill issue

[meager chasm]

It’s not a skill issue. NPCs teleport instantly, with no warning or signal that they’re going to do so, sometimes up to 20 feet away from where they were when I released the arrow. I’m also on a low ping server.

[unreal adder]

Bows are pretty strong when u made dex 100

Also light armor 750 atleast

[marsh cove]

The main issue with arrows/archery is more the cost to craft black iron/ Meteor shredder arrows which are the only arrows relevant for pvp everything else is basicly pve arrows.

The other issue is the aiming of the bow is dodgy especialy on a horse. they need to remove the delay from the releasing the left click and the arrow firing, the 1-2 second delay atm to go through the bow animation (which is pretty much instant in real life) makes the weapon realy clunky aswell as realy bad on horse back since when u release the left click is when it lock in the arrow spawn location and the delay picks the spot the arrow gets fired at so it leads to some weird firing angles that uneed to aim with.
also the camera a angle realy bad for archery too since the crosshair is no where near where the arrow will go due to sitting above the character i tend to shoot first person (shoulder pads get in the way though) when on the ground so it goes where i aim but cant go first person on mounts either i kinda wish there was a toggleable camera for range where the camera will sit below and to the right of the character so aiming it a little more reliable similiar to how new world has their camera when using a bow or musket

[marsh cove]

npc will juke/sidestep everytime when it has a melee weapon out and u have a bow u just gotta take the 50/50 and shoot to their left or right and hope the juke into it

[white ravine]

the cost i can agree on but the 1-2 second delay when firing is from ping bc i don't have that issue when in a county battle where the ping is low and shooting while on horseback is actually responsive, also many times you hit a target as in you hear the sound of an arrow hitting them and you can see them flinch from getting hit but no damage is done

https://streamable.com/3vk7qz as seen in this clip the arrows are actually very responsive because of the low ping

[marsh cove]

seems like dodgy server then atm which seem to be common issue people have but yeah video looked good just wish mine played somewhat close to that

[tough relic]

Bro is playing a different game with that ping, my ping hasn't been below 400 on NA server

[fiery kraken]

Why u care? U play conan exile anyway

[wicked topaz]

@meager chasm I have exclusively played archer in this game since the classic era and don't agree with buffing ranged damage. With armor shredder meteoric arrows and maxed bow, you can deal 2k damage to a near maxed player (as in 900 heavy armor and high physique stat) using a honed gold short (Longbow would be around 2.4k) bow with a high agility stat.

In a practical fight like a county battle, you end up deal loads of pressure to the infantry zerg when they line up against yours trying to push the point through a choke point. Super useful to have a few archers. Essentially mobile ballistae.

The devs fairly adequately buffed archer with the relaunch. I would only suggest that they further reduce the cost of arrows (armor shredder included) due to the nature of the game being that large sieges are long and laggy endeavors. A stack of meteoric armor shredder arrows costs around 6500cc to produce and you can easily burn through a stack per 30-45 min just while firing conservatively at targets of opportunity, suppressing enemy counter siege, etc.

I would suggest reducing the cost from what they are now to around a third so you don't have to fire them at a rate comparable to a musket lol.

[ivory brook]

Ranged sucks a bit coz of lag,but yeah for sure need a buff

[wicked topaz]

Damage is fine. Arrows just need a cost reduction.

In my opinion.

[ivory brook]

And add stone light bolts,coz sht expensive training with repeating crossbow and light steel bolts

[wicked topaz]

Off topic from this but yes. Improve the leveling process for ranged weapons. There is no cheesy leveling like there are for melee weapons.

[ivory brook]

Better aiming in 400 ping ok,try to play csgo or valorant with that ping and tell me how you hit

[wanton vine]

Bruh I hit ppl time in a 400 ping

[wicked topaz]

@ivory brook He's just trolling.

He probably got his horse shot out from under him in jousting and now despises archers 😂

[upbeat pilot]

increase movement speed with bow and LA. Give more options to kite the opponent. Bow and projectiles are lacking against melee

[marsh cove]

shoot a dummy and it not to bad tbh

[marsh cove]

my server goes to shiot atm when war happening and i end up at 800-1000 ping from a normal 200 😄

[pliant cedar]

Funny that you call 200 normal. Everything above 100 is technically abnormal.

[marsh cove]

Australian on us servers pung should sit between 200 to 240

[pliant cedar]

Yes, okay. But this is across half of the world. I expect ~50ms when the server is in my region. Just look at the pings in Dota 2:

[wicked topaz]

You're in light armor and can just put away your bow and run behind your infantry line or for a new position in general. You're not supposed to kite people on foot with a bow viably like you're Legolas or something. If you want to do that, get a mount.

[marsh cove]

u can kite people with a short bow tbh it can be a little risky but if there in heavy u can general sprint jump spin shoot spin and run again and u usualy stay out of melee range, works well in jousts however in open world they typicaly have mounts and ur typicaly a sitting ducks then in most cases if there nothing to climb up :p

[upbeat pilot]

who says Im not suppose to? Archers in LA are much more mobile than soldiers wearing "heavy" armor. This is why the meta is all HA and melee and hardly anyone seems to play archers, which is what this suggestion is basically about

[topaz turret]

Even Peru looking like better servers than your local region

[wicked topaz]

You can play how ever you want but if you are suggesting the archer balance should change game wide so that the meta is to fight like a lord of the rings elf, go play some fantasy MMO like Elders Scrolls Online.

Also pairing that point to "the reason no one plays archer" is a clear bias. The archers are a small minority because A) arrows are too expensive even when the lag isn't tanking your hit rate to Tartarus. B) being an archer is typically harder; requiring more patience and having strong counters. C) In MOE, leveling any of the ranged skills takes an eternity.

[upbeat pilot]

You said "you're not suppose to kite people on foot" (going against HA) to which I responded to. The meta is HA. it sounds like you want to keep it that way. Im not suggesting that LA and archers become the new meta. Im just for balance is all

[wicked topaz]

I think the meta should be everything has it's counter in accordance with a somewhat realistic dynamic. So while I understand it works in jousting in a 1v1 on the side of the map which is fine, I don't think archers need some speed buff with a bow so they can basically close quarters fight a HA infantryman without them being able to close the gap while being fired at right in front of them. The speed balance is fine how it is. You can sheath your bow, retreat behind your infantry line or to some vantage point, then keep applying lots of DPS pressure and picking off enemies with a bow.

I deal 2k damage with a short bow to near maxed (except for nobility of course) players. Around 2.4k with a longbow. The damage is fine. Archers just need a massive cut to arrow cost really.

Or a small cut to arrow cost and a massive cut to lag 😂