Expression audio missing

[thin nova]

Hi!

I seem to be missing expression audio, the button is not there simply. I even reset the template to have the default layout and it's still doesn't appear. Double checked setting for yomitan, everything exactly like instructed. What can be the cause?

[lean dagger]

It's probably a problem with ASBPlayer

what does your asbplayer setup look like?

[lean dagger]

yep theres the problem

sorry its in jp

Match it to what I have and it should work

[thin nova]

are the ASB setting in Lapis guide?

so I can make sure, or the positions are the same in mine as in yours?

[lean dagger]

wait im gonna write which fields are which

Note type: Lapis
Sentence Field (all tracks): Sentence
Definition field: Empty
Word field: Expression
Audio Field: SentenceAudio
Image field: Picture

You can leave the Word field empty as well if you like but nothing changes with the cards and it just displays which word was edited when you are actually creating the cards which is nice

[thin nova]

emmm, not sure what you mean about the word field

so do I change it or not?

[lean dagger]

Whenever you edit a card with ASBPlayer it shows you a pop-up in the video player like "Card edited: 1245815852"

Adding the word field changes the numbers to the word of the card you just mined

So you know that you successfully edited the right thing

So if you mine 読む it will show you "Card edited: 読む" and if it didn't do it correctly it will say "Card edited: "

[thin nova]

and this is with or without the word field with expression there?

[lean dagger]

With

[thin nova]

and without what happens?

[lean dagger]

It will show you "Card edited: 215912591259"

Even if the card edited incorrectly

[thin nova]

hmm better to have it then probably, right?

[lean dagger]

Yes

In my opinion it's better :o

[thin nova]

Alrighty, will try to make one

[lean dagger]

Alright lmk how it goes if you get any errors

[thin nova]

yep yep, perfect, it worked! Hmm weird I thought I read through everything in Lapis setup and didn't see anything about ABS🤔

[lean dagger]

haha nice im not sure I havent read the lapis guide in a whileeee

[thin nova]

while I have you can I also ask, is there a way to edit the length of the audio mined from abs? I see it in the card creation menu but even if I shorten it a lot it still remains the same

[lean dagger]

The length of the audio from ASBPlayer is determined by how long the subtitle line (how long it takes the characters to say that entire line) so no unfortunately not :o

[thin nova]

Ah okay I see, that's why I often hear audio longer than the actualy phrase... Okay, a minor issue I can get over hehe

[lean dagger]

The goal is to review cards in less than 3 seconds anyway

So a lot of the time you never listen to the full audio

[thin nova]

Tbh this deck I want is simply to learn what my fav characters from anime saying, so I can understand what they say:D

guilty pleasure project

[lean dagger]

ohh I see

Well from like a language learning perspective/anki perspective you should review like as fast as you can with as high of a retention as possible

but hey if you like that you can just listen to the audio :D

[thin nova]

I'm doing the Kaishi now, plus wanikani and also try to do Renshuu oh my phone

[thin nova]

yeaaah, I really like the ones I'm planning to mine:)))

[lean dagger]

ooo wanikani is a super big waste of your time

@versed gorge

[thin nova]

how come?

[lean dagger]

Their algorithm is very very very innefficient

And learning radicals/individual kanji is not as useful as learning straight vocabulary

@versed gorge has done 90k+ wanikani reviews

he can tell you how much he regrets that and wishes he did anki for those reviews instead ^^

[thin nova]

damn... I just thought it all looked so clean and organized and moreover, free

[lean dagger]

In half the time you can learn more than 3x the amount of kanji

Using anki over wanikani

[thin nova]

I kinda struggle with decks like Kaishi, or maybe that's just how the learning process is idk

[versed gorge]

Yes

[versed gorge]

I am Wanikani level 15 veteran

I do not recommend

After level 3 it will cost you a bunch of money monthly

And its really not efficient

If you use Anki,you will be way better off

Dont walk my Path...

[thin nova]

so just anki, mining sentences and that's it?

[lean dagger]

yeah normally its recommended to not sentence mine before you finish a core deck like kaishi

But if you like it and think you will learn faster then just mine words that are below 3k frequency (the ones that appear a lot)

[thin nova]

Hmmm, I actually finished Jlab anime deck, which I really liked. But it didn't have any kanji, or it had but I sorta ignored it. And then started with 2k/6k deck, but found this discord and they recommended Kaishi and Lapis so here I am

still a beginner but sorta not

also people said Renshuu is also a waste of time?

[lean dagger]

Renshuu is just a distraction from immersion

The more optimal the distractions the better

Anki is also a distraction from immersion

But it's a very powerful tool alongside immersion

Renshuu is not as good as anki by like any stretch of the imagination

[thin nova]

hmmm, well in a sense it's good cuz it saves a lot of time then

[lean dagger]

So doing it will just reduce the amount of you can immerse

how so?

[thin nova]

well if I don't have to do wanikani and renshuu, then I can do more anki and immersion

[lean dagger]

yes :)

but still you shouldnt be doing more than 30 minutes of anki per day

[versed gorge]

I regret doing wanikani...

[lean dagger]

and its better to spend more time focusing on immersion

[thin nova]

well surely it gave you at lease some sort of information? Couldn't have been all useless?

[lean dagger]

he knows half the kanji i do ish

and i did 1/3 of the reviews

and i learnt a lot more vocabulary

[thin nova]

just from immersion and anki?

[lean dagger]

yes

[versed gorge]

I know like 1700 words,like its not fully useless ofcourse not,but anki is just that mich better

[thin nova]

well, thanks for your sacrifice, I guess I will not continue with it

[versed gorge]

One tip : immersion is the part where you actually acquite the language,so its most imoortant

[versed gorge]

Hehe sure 😁

[lean dagger]

yeah in terms of immersion to anki

I spend atleast 20x more time each day on immersion

than anki

anki is not for learning new words

Its just to reinforce the ones you see in immersion

[thin nova]

My problem with Kaishi dekc atm, is that some words I gotta do like 5 times, I just can't associate them with the meaning + new sound

same was for 2k/6k deck

That's where I thought Renshuu and wanikani would help, with mnemonics and stuff

[lean dagger]

in 99% of cases

[thin nova]

or is it just natural process...

[lean dagger]

The reason why someone has low retention with anki

is because they dont immerse enough inn the language to see those words frequently enough

[thin nova]

mm yeah true

[lean dagger]

So replacing WK & Renshuu with immersion is just more effective since you'll see the words actually being used in context etc

[thin nova]

So I just watch/listen as much stuff and do Kaishi deck

basically

[lean dagger]

Yeah and after you finish kaishi go hardcore on mining

[thin nova]

Oh last question: what about that lingq website? I also heard good stuff about it

https://www.lingq.com/en/

[lean dagger]

Lingq? Never heard of it :o

if its immersion its good :D

[thin nova]

Nice, hehe, at least I gave you some new info, for everything you've helped me with:D

[lean dagger]

hahah yeah I’ll check it out

anyway nice we got ur lapis going

[thin nova]

yep!! Thank you so much!

[versed gorge]

Good Luck mate !

[thin nova]

thanks!

[tight ridge]

You actually can edit this. When you do ctrl shift X to mine a card with asbplayer, in the box that pops up, look for the pink line with the 2 dots at the ends. This is the sentence audio that will be recorded. Drag the dots around to capture more or less of the sentence audio. After you edit the position of the dots, click the check mark in the audio field and then the box will close, asbplayer will record again, and the box will pop up again. You can listen to how the sentence audio is going to sound by clicking on the field in the box that pops up. When you're satisfied with how it sounds, click update last card.

I am not at my pc right now and this description probably sounds confusing but I promise it makes sense when you're actually looking at it.

[tight ridge]

LingQ is good but not for languages like Japanese. It doesn't parse the text correctly. We don't recommend using it. There are better tools for Japanese that will do what LingQ does but for free.

[thin nova]

Oh okay I will try it out and get back to you, if that's alright:D

[thin nova]

so better stick to anki and mining then I suppose

[tight ridge]

Sure thing

[tight ridge]

Yep! Like, we have asbplayer, yomitan, mokuro, ttsu reader. Almost anything you want to immerse with, there is a tool to do it for free that is actually built for Japanese

Paying for an inferior tool is just a waste and a distraction

[thin nova]

That's true

Oh I haven't heard about mokuro and ttsu reader, are they beginner friendly or something for later on?

[tight ridge]

Mokuro is for reading manga, which is pretty approachable for a beginner depending on the manga. Ttsu reader is for books, like novels and light novels, so probably something for when you're stage 2c. Or 2b if you're feeling bold.

[thin nova]

Idk what stage I'm at tbh

[tight ridge]

There are also graded readers, which are books for learners

[thin nova]

oh that's interesting

[tight ridge]

Check out #stage-selection and read over the descriptions to see what sounds accurate to you

[sand dust]

If you're interested in reading in Stage 1, we recommend graded readers, which are books that use simplified grammar and vocabulary so that they are comprehensible for learners. All graded readers will have several levels that increase in difficulty. Below are the 3 types of graded readers we recommend:

• Tadoku Graded Readers. - These are arguably the easiest graded readers you could start with if you're a complete beginner. The lowest level is called "Start."
• JGRPG Sakura Graded Readers. - To access these graded readers, you'll need to make a free account on the site.
• Satori Reader. - These are paid graded readers that start at a more intermediate level. You can read the first chapter of each story for free to try out the content.

[thin nova]

noiiiice

man I love this serve:D

thank you

[tight ridge]

[thin nova]

So I get to 2A after basically I finish the Kaishi deck?

[tight ridge]

After seeing 1000 cards out of it

[thin nova]

tried it, but the checkmark next to the pink line that is responsible for adjusting audio length is not active.

[tight ridge]

You have to make changes first, and then the checkmark will become active

[thin nova]

yeah I tried but it's not active, I click on it and nothing happens

[tight ridge]

hmmmm

can you send a screenshot of what you're seeing?

[thin nova]

I already moved the length to shorten it

[tight ridge]

yeah that's strange

[thin nova]

yeah, I thought so too, but previously 襟男と said it's like hardcoded or something

[tight ridge]

yeah, the initial audio recording is just going to be synced up with the timing of the subtitles, but it is 100% adjustable. I have to wonder if you're experiencing a bug

[thin nova]

hmmm beats me, no way to test it out on my end at least

[tight ridge]

I realized the problem, you're looking in the wrong place, and that's my bad for describing everything from memory without being at my pc

You want to be looking at that white dot to the right of the Audio field. It has a pink exclamation point over it because I adjusted the audio with the pink dots. That white circle is what you want to click to re-record after making adjustments

[thin nova]

strange, mine doesn't have the second button.

it says under that field "Audio clip cannot be updated because it is pre-recorded"

[tight ridge]

That's so weird. I have never seen anything like that before.

[thin nova]

heh, I've no idea either, I'm basically doing this as a fun fan project on the side and Already spent like a month of fixing and figuring out the whole mining setup-template thing. Today I think it finally looks like what I wanted it to look like.

[tight ridge]

that's good to hear

[thin nova]

yeah so this is one of few things left and I'm thinking to give up on these minor things and already start it, it took too long already xD

[tight ridge]

yeah there is definitely the cost of the time sink

[thin nova]

but if you by any chance stumble upon a solution, if you remember me, give me a holler:)

[tight ridge]

sure thing. it might also be worth reporting the issue to the dev on github

[kindred sequoia]

just keep in mind that if you overwrite the sentence with asb, Lapis wont paint pitch color over it because it only searches for <b> bold characters

i'd just leave the sentence field blabk

[thin nova]

I just tried it, and for some reason the sentence shows incomplete then. Cuts it by more than a half

maybe your method is word single word cards?

[kindred sequoia]

yeah, because yomi doesnt know where it should stop the scan

[thin nova]

pitch is that small line right, over the word?

[kindred sequoia]

pitch categories is heiban, atamadaka,...

pitch position is where it starts

which one are you asking

[thin nova]

about this

which one am I missing if I keep "sentence" value in sentence field

[kindred sequoia]

uh... you're using lapis right?

[thin nova]

yeah

[kindred sequoia]

you dont use {{sentence}} in yomi's anki card config

i mean you can

but use this instead {cloze-prefix}<b>{cloze-body}</b>{cloze-suffix}

[thin nova]

yeah, that's the one I'm using

I thought we were talking about asb player settings

[kindred sequoia]

ahhh

if you overwrite the sentence, lapis just wont be able to paint pitch colors onto the word in the sentence

everything else is fine

[thin nova]

can you show an example how it looks like, when you can?

[kindred sequoia]

gimme a min

[kindred sequoia]

see the difference?

im assuming youre using AJT for sentence furigana too

[thin nova]

mmm not sure, gonna check

No I don't think I have it

[kindred sequoia]

if you dont care much about appearance then you should overwrite with asb

cus it gives more complete sentences

i just dont want the JavaScript code to go to waste

[thin nova]

this is what mine looks like on the back

[kindred sequoia]

結局

hmmm yours doesnt show pitch accents tho

do you have dictionaries installed

[thin nova]

like 5 in youmitan yeah

[kindred sequoia]

it should show

[thin nova]

JMnedict [2025-05-28] rev.JMnedict.2025-05-28

Jitendex.org [2025-05-13] rev.2025.05.13.0

JMdict [2025-06-03] rev.JMdict.2025-06-03

KANJIDIC [2025-154] rev.kanjidic2.2025-154

these

[kindred sequoia]

i was talking about dicts for pitch accents

like NHK or 大辞泉

[thin nova]

I guess I don't have them then yeah

[kindred sequoia]

have these

oh wait i got the wrong NHK

this nhk

the privious one doubles as a dictionary

use all 3 if you want

[thin nova]

what about the dictionaries I showed you, are they good?

I saw some YT tutorials and they give like 10 dictionaries

[kindred sequoia]

i'd use only one bilingual dict but that's a personal choice

Jitendex is great. the 2023 edition is more compact, 2025 has more infos

i'd recommend using Jitendex as your main dictionary

[thin nova]

Ah now I see that Jmdict pretty much has the same info as jitendex

yeah I will use jitendex I guess

saw some reddit posts as well, where they always suggest more than 1 dictionary

[kindred sequoia]

realistically you only need one

[thin nova]

wonder why, just to double check?

[kindred sequoia]

1 for JP-EN
1 for EN-EN
0..* for grammars
1 for kanjis
1..2 for pitch
...

[kindred sequoia]

some people like to compare between different dicts

[thin nova]

makes sense

what about pitch? Why do you need 2? Same reason?

[kindred sequoia]

yeah

dont be like 襟男と, he has like 5 or more displayed on his yomitan's pop ups

[thin nova]

yeah that's what I had at first too, because some youtuber recommended it, but then I felt that it was way too much info for my barely starting to develop japanese brain lol

so just deleted most of them

thanks for your help, really appreciate it🙏

[kindred sequoia]

these are what i have

red is grammar, yellow is pitch, cyan is frequency

[thin nova]

Is it really important to know frequency? Or it's just like indicator if it makes sense to prioritize certain words I guess?

[kindred sequoia]

it tells you how common a word is (depends on which frequency list youre using)

[kindred sequoia]

frequency list look sth like this

[thin nova]

yeah I saw them and had them too actually, but also deleted as I didn't really understand what's the point. I need to learn them all anyway, no? Kinda who cares? Or am I wrong?

[kindred sequoia]

it's just good to know

it's optional thou

i just like seeing numbers

[thin nova]

I have a japanese friend and sometimes I read her thing I got from my Jlab deck and she says things like "oh this is very anime we don't say it like that" I guess this is where it could come in handy? Because if so then yeah I think I will get one

like I see one there saying "anime & J-drama"

[kindred sequoia]

yeah

[thin nova]

hm that's cool

[kindred sequoia]

"oh this is very anime we don't say it like that"
im not talking to japanese people any time soon anyway, i dont see why it's a bad thing

[thin nova]

haha yeah, I also don't care lmao. One of many reasons I'm even learning is so I can randomly spout epic anime phrases and know what it meant and that I pronounced it correctly:D

[tight ridge]

It is important to have a good number of dictionaries for coverage. Most things you'll be looking up as a beginner will be in jitendex or jmdict, but not everything.

[thin nova]

I usually look up every new word on jisho and write it down if it's a new one

btw audio adjustment started working somehow, exactly as you showed yesterday

was a bug indeed

[tight ridge]

It's a lot easier and more time efficient if you just hover over new words with yomitan. Writing it down is not necessary at all. There is sentence mining, but that's not until stage 2.

and good to hear on the bug!

[kindred sequoia]

stage 1 is where you chill

finish kaishi first and familiarize yourself with the language

if you fail a word too many times just suspend it, you will see it again when mining anyway

[thin nova]

I finished Jlab deck a while ago, and it had I think 2k cards, which introduced quite a few grammar concepts and stuff and I know hiragana and katakana by heart, so kinda wanna pick it up a bit. Or is it still better not to try too much until I finish Kaishi

[kindred sequoia]

exploring isnt a bad thing

try and see for yourself

just dont try too much youre gonna burn yourself out

[thin nova]

ah, nah, I spent about an hour a day tops on Japanese atm

[tight ridge]

if you finished the jlab deck, you could go ahead and start sentence mining if you feel comfortable since that satisfies the "see 1k words" requirement for stage 2a. But jlab is a really bad deck tbh so maybe doing more of Kaishi might be a good idea before sentence mining 💀

[thin nova]

I really liked it, I think it's the reason I'm still going tbh

because it took away the "fears" of sorts about how complicated it is. And it is, but not too complicated in current times

[tight ridge]

[thin nova]

but I know what you mean, I didn't learn a single kanji with it:D

[tight ridge]

yeahhhhhhh