my bad
#Dark and Darker
dawn viper
theres a rest button to regen health
rangers no longer have a starting camp fire
they have to buy arrows and carry them around also
gloomy summit
theres a rest button to regen health
best change honestly
dawn viper
yeah
gloomy summit
Having to make a party around permanent health loss was ass
dawn viper
theres a REALLY bad spawn on the normal map now
you spawn in a room and immediately aggro 3 wisps
they range attack and flashbang close range ppl 🙂
gloomy summit
flashbang...
dawn viper
if you run around the room, you aggro 2 more wisps + a bunch of skeletons
it took me full 3 combos with a shortsword to kill it, after my friend hit it for awhile
wispy isle
gloomy summit
haven't played so I can't explain the playing song mechanic
passive skills revolve around interacting faster and finding better loot
also has this https://i.imgur.com/g5WltWG.png
gloomy summit
looking at the skill descriptions you have saved musical scores like the mage and have to do the correct inputs for them
junior hare
they have to buy arrows and carry them around also
wtf
dawn viper
I just died to a ranger that climbed ontop of the buildings outside
and sniped me from up there
junior hare
i wanna play 
candid drum
also has this https://i.imgur.com/g5WltWG.png
Mage:*starts casting fireball*
*loud buzzing*
"the fuck is that noise?" >:( *stops casting*
*buzzing stops*
"huh, guess it was nothing..." *starts casting again*
The image that came to mind 
verbal mural
Yeah I was having fun with Dark and Darker before tourney
gloomy summit
dawn viper
I can only get the brasil server to work lol
gloomy summit
Guessing its not worth playing right now?
I've heard about server issues during launch, guess its still bad
verbal mural
yeah a lot of the connection issues somehow resolve when you exit and restart the game
tardy rain
Update for playtest: Discord TOS dictated that they take down their BitTorrent link from their channel. Their Twitter has the link to the torrent now.
dawn viper
bruh It feels impossible to kill ppl without + magic gear now
a barb just ate 3 fireballs to the face and didnt die
also, theres a +2 all stats passive buff for the whole team on rogue now
and people have bugged it to get 200+ str
atomic dagger
i think i'm gonna hold off until they fix that lmao
gloomy summit
they already implemented automatic bans for it
problem is its sometimes going off by accident because it crashes a lot for people and thats what causes the bug
gloomy summit
I can't tell if its the lack of gear of if several changes I haven't looked up turned the pve into CBT
gloomy summit
new hotfix is up
Ruins turned into a seperate dungeon like the goblin caves
And the dungeon layout has been changed back to its previous iteration
Also fixing the infinite passive stacking bug
dawn viper
they mainly needed to fix the exit portals and going down on the ruins map
I legit would sit in the last circle and die everytime because 0 exit portals spawned
only 2-3 ways to go down, but they would be out of zone
because it only opened at like 2nd to last zone
atomic bronze
Do you need to reinstall the game for the new fix?
dawn viper
double jump on rogue is insane
I could 100% 1v3 some of these groups if I had heals etc
theres some rooms you can just hop around on stuff and get away from enemies super easy
I want to get my rogue to 15+ now because of double jump lol
frosty magnet
Oh, damn. So a team of 3 rogues =>.>=
dawn viper
a good ranger or rogue could prob kill a double jumping rogue
frosty magnet
Ah, okay
gloomy summit
This seems so broken but I can't help but laugh every time I see a rogue backflip double jump across the room
It just looks so silly
dawn viper
mob aggro ranged is so messed up rn
I can literally hug the skeleton mages in the library and they wont aggro at all
I was in the library on the bookshelves, dropped down onto a bard stabbed him a couple of times
when his teammates chased after me, I just double jumped up to the 2nd floor lol
the trio literally avoided the library after that
gloomy summit
I want bard to be good but they just aren't
dawn viper
They released bard in a super jank play test full of 3x the bugs
It's probably bugged to crap
junior hare
oh i havent played yet
dawn viper
dawn viper
idk man, it might be better that you didnt play this playtest
I just got killed through a wall by a cleric in less than a second
90 dmg in less than a second, guy only had +1 will
0 added magic dmg
90% of the people playing the new map are just rogues with double jump
they just climb onto all the dividing walls and structures
They wait for people and drop down onto them, or use the hand crossbow to shoot them
junior hare
oof
dawn viper
Goblin caves has the clerics that nuke you to death within a second, ruins has the double jumping rogues
gotta play crypts to have a normal experience lol
gloomy summit
yeah they did thankfully put the ruins map into a seperate experimental state fast
They had a massive oversight with that map and double jumping
if anything I don't know what they thought by adding double jump at all, or at least in its current state
The nexon assassins have arrived
dawn viper
I just tried out locus swarm, its a targeted circle on the ground
now I'm even more confused at how it hit me through a door, I wasnt that close to it
dawn viper
They gave barb a hamstring ability that makes you bleed when you move
got hit with it, and melted when i moved for the next second
gloomy summit
In my attempts of making bard good I have found out that, if you perfect the first two prompts in the healing and speed song, you can instantly fail the next 3 by spamming right click, finishing the song twice as fast and still get a level 2 performance out of it
Locust fixes in 10 minutes
dawn viper
- Fixed an issue where Locust Swarm could deal unintended amounts of damage.
I 100% got hit by that
gloomy summit
Even with how the spell would work with flat magic damage, it just oneshots somehow without gear
But not "could", all the time
dawn viper
I got a 1 life goblin cave guy killed 
dawn viper
I've died so many times to skeleton crossbowman 
gloomy summit
It's the regular enemy type I fear the most
tardy rain
fun fact, I got malware downloading the bittorrent client
had to reformat and reinstall my os
gloomy summit
wet tapir
gloomy summit
tardy rain
My guy was so perplexed by the double creature feature, that he didn't notice the red debuff lines on the third
tardy rain
gloomy summit
dawn viper
I 3rd partied a fight in goblin caves
the plate set with his rings and neck had 14.6% phys reduction
sold it really quick for 1k gold, sold the cloak for some candy + 300g
dawn viper
im juicing in goblin caves atm
trying to kill the juicers that think they are safe in goblin caves
junior hare
y'all gonna stream?
gloomy summit
maybe if we get a group going
gloomy summit
tardy rain
better question
why hasn't nexon lost the case yet
why hasn't nexon just burned the ground like it should have 20 years ago.
muted sedge
different contery with different laws
and due remember that Nexon is a bigger company with a massive amount of money, so they are most likely using what power they have against the devs of Dark and Darker
gloomy summit
I have this open in a tab which I check every now and then
They only just reassigned a judge to this case, but its likely that it might be tossed out because its just a copy of the korean court case going on basically
Which hearing's is supposed to be on the 19th July I believe
Shouldn't expect much before that
dawn viper
tardy rain
gloomy summit
junior hare
dark and darker my beloved
tardy rain
atomic bronze
junior hare
i'm waiting for confirmation from the discord mods
also if they're still mid lawsuit, this may be a really risky purchase
wet tapir
Not until you hit Omega you won’t
wispy swallow
It’s gonna be a tomorrow purchase bc of the site traffic
gloomy summit
does the launcher work for anyone?
wispy swallow
All I know is that welyn got in apparently(got baited)
junior hare
their general chat is 99% people who either can't get into the site or put in a payment and aren't getting their code
and it's not even prime time hours yet
gloomy summit
I managed to make an account and log in but buying it where I got stuck yeah
it shows up as 0$ and spits out an error
junior hare
okay I was able to make an account on the main site (darkanddarker.com), took me like 4 tries though
junior hare
Chaf? I was chafted once. It was when I was trying to buy Dark and Darker. And I love Dark and Darker. It was sold on chafgames.com. Chaf? I was chafted once. It was when I was trying to buy Dark and Darker. And I love Dark and Darker. It was sold on chafgames.com. Chaf? I was chafted once. It was when I was trying to buy Dark and Darker. And I love Dark and Darker. It was sold on chafgames.com. Chaf? I was chafted once. It was when I was trying to buy Dark and Darker. And I love Dark and Darker. It was sold on chafgames.com. Chaf? I was chafted once. It was when I was trying to buy Dark and Darker. And I love Dark and Darker. It was sold on chafgames.com. Chaf?
hug of death postponed until tomorrow
wispy swallow
<— before you get chafted
junior hare
we can technically still purchase?
I'm afraid to attempt the payment
it seems like aethel is already playing
gloomy summit
its purchasable
junior hare
speak of the devil
gloomy summit
but only for americans
atomic bronze
junior hare
like american-based cards?
looks like they take Amazon Pay, does that work with gift cards?
atomic bronze
and you can't pay with paypal?
gloomy summit
nope
atomic bronze
junior hare
can someone screenshot the payment options
it was like google pay, amazon, card, and 2 others i can't remember
gloomy summit
junior hare
so weird that amazon pay doesn't let you use gift card balances
nearly 20 minutes and i'm at 9%
gloomy summit
pain
atomic bronze
at least you can buy the game
junior hare
can you use gift cards with G Pay?
gloomy summit
I will try G pay
nope asks for a credit card
discord is also useless for info
searching europe just has people telling you to use vpn to EU to download the game faster
junior hare
yeah i think even if you get the payment working, the game download speed is dejj
clever wyvern
This seems like a considerable amount of effort to buy a sketchy release from devs basically trying to ignore a lawsuit and actively have a large national corp out for their blood (they literally tried to have them arrested when they found out they were trying to release anyway) 
junior hare
Xsolla is PCI compliant, so you'd at least get your money back
i'm willing to risk the lawsuit cause I've def put in at LEAST $35 of enjoyment into the game already
clever wyvern
I'm just saying this operation is red flags all the way down, so as long as your plans with the thing are not long term, have at it I guess 
junior hare
I've definitely made worse decisions with my money, so this is fine to me 
junior hare
searching europe just has people telling you to use vpn to EU to download the ga...
I bit the bullet and tried it, seems to be working:
used a netherlands location for my VPN
we're zoomin now
@gloomy summit @atomic bronze I snagged your names for you
gloomy summit
yo based oshi?
atomic bronze
ty oshi
junior hare
looks like it's 7 characters max per acct
junior hare
xdd was taken
gloomy summit
I hope I can get my funny wizard name
though I don't think anyone is going to take it
what is this skill even
does it let me pay without a card if I make an account
otherwise I'll just have to sit and wait till they add European-friendly payment options
junior hare
I hope I can get my funny wizard name
what is it? i can grab it
gloomy summit
Im30YearsOld
gloomy summit
hahaha
ty
Its funny with the wizard character image
and the turning into a wizard if you're a virgin at the age of 30
I just thought its pretty clever
junior hare
@gloomy summit if you want, I can get you the game with a virtual credit card (it won't doxx me), and you can buy me a steam game of equivalent value at some point later
did it for a friend already
can do same for @atomic bronze if y'all are both itching to play
gloomy summit
I really appreciate the offer but I'll wait until tomorrow to see if they'll offer additional pay options
Might take you up on it later
atomic bronze
ty Oshi I'll also wait
gloomy summit
hoping they rough out some of the issues by then as well
dawn viper
Hp pots and bandages no longer stack
havnt checked shield pots, but I assume they dont stack anymore either
gloomy summit
As in, inventory or chugging different tiers?
Sounds like inventory management is going to be a lot worse unless they added their backpack feature or whatever they had in the works
junior hare
chugging diff tiers don't stack
inventory doesn't stack either
gloomy summit
thank god
junior hare
level 10 fighter 
tardy rain
How's the game for y'all so far
gloomy summit
there is a stuttering issue thats only fixable by restarting the game and hoping it stops
its like a gacha
tardy rain
anything to do with system specs, or is this just an overall network issue
junior hare
can free up names in a bit @gloomy summit
tardy rain
The game literally refuses to download for me.
Not sure if it's because the chaf games launcher is in a different drive from where I'm trying to install the game
proper halo
You can buy it directly from IronMace, right?
tardy rain
FUCK
junior hare
the chaf folks in the DaD discord have been complaining
tardy rain
I wonder if I can get a refund
junior hare
you can buy it straight from dark and darker.com
rustic turtle
dad discord
proper halo
dad discord
junior hare
you can chargeback
tardy rain
Yeah, I'll resort to that if this contact with customer support doesn't end up working out.
tardy rain
yeah nah, their support's also non-responsive, and their discord is nonexistent.
Just gonna chargeback lmao
dawn viper
got another one a bit ago
gloomy summit
So I'm minmaxxing the new bard right now and I can already say that the perk that upgrades good to perfect play is BiS
You could already intentionally fail later QTE's to finish the song 2-3x as fast for a "good" performance, but with the perk you can do 2 correct QTE's for most songs and 3 for the longer ones for the maximum effect for less than half the time
tardy rain
I didn't play the last playtest. Does Bard heal at all or nah
junior hare
tardy rain
Somebody stop this man
Also it seems Chaf is so overwhelmed that they're just saying "fuck it" and providing the refund.
gloomy summit
lmaoo I'm the only bard of the 50 traders in the bard channel
I'm the only prospective buyer on this OP class
I'm eating good
people selling insane gear pieces for less than 50g because nobody is taking them
gloomy summit
Most people already had previous playtests to orientate themselves
Items with great stats like all attributes or additional phys/magic damage sell for several hundreds
not bard pieces though
atomic bronze
kat is eu able to buy it now?
gloomy summit
For some reason my dutch friend had a pay with bank option
so he just grabbed it for me
gloomy summit
PSA be very careful if you're uninstalling the launcher, it deletes everything in it's directory unless they fixed it
tardy rain
Apparently they've peddled back on the idea of having people pay for classes, so if you bought a warlock or bard you'll be refunded at some point.
junior hare
we boutta see a whole lot of bards
dawn viper
I just ran into a juicer party
knight in full blue with a purple halberd
halberd bardiche kinda dumpstering me atm
gloomy summit
if you're thinking about going to the high-roller cave, don't
you spend 8 minutes clearing 1-2 rooms just for them to drop 3 crossbow bolts
gloomy summit
I'm convinced the best comp you can have right now is two clerics and a bard
The spell regen song recovers them at around 2x resting speed
which you can have a 100% uptime on
can also chug a potion or rest on top of it if you really burned through them
but it's infinite spells either way
glad mason
yo how many people can spawn in the goblin cave
tardy rain
9 or 10?
glad mason
cause i just had 13 people in a game
tardy rain
gloomy summit
regular 10 high-roller 9
glad mason
i thought it was 10 also but i counted 8 deaths 3 extracs and 2 people still alive
glad mason
so the shield doesnt even block anything so why use it?
tardy rain
so the shield doesnt even block anything so why use it?
There's a bit of a learning curve to shields.
It's directionally based, so just putting up the shield won't completely block the attack.
If someone's coming at you with an overhead swing, you need to angle the shield slightly upwards to be able to catch the blow.
tardy rain
junior hare
@atomic bronze didja get it?
junior hare
dawn viper
I'ma drop utility for full dmg when we run as a group
dawn viper
dang wizards stuff is cheap af rn
blue spellbook with +3 magic dmg was only 100g
I cant even spell pants with +2 magic dmg for 50g
dawn viper
Giant centipede wasnt too hard on rogue
just back pedal'd while stabbing it in the head with a rapier
junior hare
i think you can also circle it indefinitely
dawn viper
thats insane that you can stack up that many buffs
I feel like that will get nerfed
Aparently if you get the cave troll stuck in a corner, warlock can easily solo it with hellfire+dot and potions
If I can figure out how to get it stuck, I'll try it
gloomy summit
damn, new class new exploit
they patched a lot of them pretty quickly when they released the goblin cave, might get removed pretty quick
gloomy summit
thats insane that you can stack up that many buffs
thing is I can only get so many buffs because of how the magic/music system works, I'm "sacrificing" one active skill for more buffs
if you really wanted to you could buff that much on cleric as well, I don't think they will cap the amount of buffs
And with how seemingly the general opinion right now is that bards are bad, nerfs might not come soon
gloomy summit
we really need a spreadsheet telling us which stats scale with what
So turns out in a a rare happenstance, a ttv username was actually streaming for a change, and I got to see just how much damage my bard skill does with just +5~8 additional magic damage
It's actually INSANE
the fighter went to half health with 4 out of 7 beats
gloomy summit
junior hare
4
gloomy summit
gloomy summit
tardy rain
https://streamable.com/5ca9xk
Din of darkness I'm assuming is AOE?
gloomy summit
yes
every bard song has the same sphere around you as an area of effect
this song does periodic damage over 5~7 depending on action speed
Added a small chance of Epic grade items to drop from all chests.
Increased the drop rate of Epic grade items from Ornate, Lions Head, and Golden chests.```Can't believe they buffed bard
tardy rain
Sheesh, if you let a bard just do their shit like that unpunished I guess they deserve to lose all their loot
trim root
gotta make the class you pay for busted
gloomy summit
they're actually going to refund me my stones
proper halo
And isn't Warlock underwhelming at the moment?
junior hare
does din of darkness stack? like if two bards cast simultaneously
gloomy summit
I wouldn't see why not
though hmm I did notice it showed up as a debuff on a recipients stream
gloomy summit
its a weekend discount according to the patch notes
trim root
noob question but is the wizard just a bad class in solos?
gloomy summit
Its the highest skill-cap class, you can make it work but it will require more effort than just going Barb of Fighter
junior hare
how long does the aoe stealth last from bard?
junior hare
jesus
gloomy summit
My god, in an attempt to escape my pursuer in the goblin caves I jumped down a pit and it spawned 4 elite centipedes
dawn viper
Holy
tardy rain
https://streamable.com/5ca9xk
In this clip, are you actually cancelling the songs?
gloomy summit
Yes
Well, not literally "cancelling", but cutting them short by failing the QTE's intentionally
it skips to the failed qte every time you hit rightclick
tardy rain
Yeah was trying to grasp the tech
gloomy summit
gloomy summit
It's the other "gimmick" you can do on bard to deal obscene damage
It's unironically the best throwing weapon in the game
highest damage and you can pick it back up unlike the other throwables in the game
you can also take a perk that increases instrument damage by 50%
and at purple rarity you average 37 damage on a drum, so with the perk you deal 55+ plus damage with it
junior hare
gloomy summit
thats exactly one extra point of damage for piercing shrill
Huge 25->26 damage upgrade
junior hare
tardy rain
Yuge
junior hare
gonna try running this over Second Wind on my fighter
I think this may end up being better because it's a CD skill (18 seconds) vs 1-time use Second Wind, especially with a bard/cleric in the party for trios
gloomy summit
Made 700 gold from treasure alone in one run
Went down and rushed the room with the treasure hoard guarded by a wraith
tardy rain
We loveeeeee treasure runs
glad mason
Btw you can parry with a flute lmao
glad mason
At this point I might just buy 3 drums as a fighter to use against mages and rangers
gloomy summit
the third boss is a pushover by the way
Just spawns adds, runs into you and throws daggers sometimes but thats it
dropped in 20 seconds for us
gloomy summit
dawn viper
jesus christ
Killed a epic geared wizard in goblin caves on a naked rogue
rip weenywizard
junior hare
https://i.imgur.com/stqfBDn.png
how the fuck, I can barely get 60%
junior hare
https://i.imgur.com/OIm4zAW.png
convert to Rubysilver ingots for space
~500g in 4 squares of space per full stack
glad mason
junior hare
someone selling this
junior hare
i'm thinking the most profitable EV is to just run norms and go down instead of escaping
gloomy summit
You're not gonna find anything decent in the first floor
even the second floor has mostly nothing
all in high-roller
gloomy summit
gloomy summit
one thing I dislike heavily right now is how obscenely fast the zone is in high-roller lobbies
We want to play in them but you get no time at all
dawn viper
having all the jewelry in same trade chat is the worst lmao
what is this for
saw it in trade chat
junior hare
someone sold me something for 15g
which means they made 0 on the transaction
gloomy summit
gloomy summit
convert to Rubysilver ingots for space
I'm trying this but people don't sell enough
And golden keys are either rare or way over market price
gloomy summit
junior hare
how much you getting ingots for?
gloomy summit
100-125
junior hare
wtf, it's a blue with NO attributes
trim root
anyone wanna run a 3 man later in the day?
tardy rain
it's ok, being a naked rogue got a lot more punishing
junior hare
i think i encountered my first hacker last night
some naked rogue hit me like 8 times in 2 seconds
gloomy summit
we went into ruins to see where the rusted key came from
and christ it's still rogue infested
I dropped 12 rogues just spamming din all game
and then two more ambushed my friend at a blue portal
tardy rain
LOL
Sucker born every minute
Did you extort the hell out of him is the real question
gloomy summit
he made ~4k off of them alone from the items we hadn't sold yet
That spellbook alone was insane
half the wizard gear I just took over for myself
no surprise they had money to spend
5th on the high-roller leaderboard
unreal fossil
Almost looks like they are dancing lol
tardy rain
Wait, did gobbo cave get rid of the gold pile after killing the ogre in normal?
tardy rain
lameeeee
gloomy summit
from what I've heard its supposed to reset every season
tardy rain
I mean the true magic damage and the move speed might be appreciated by wizards and warlocks
gloomy summit
Ok I must admit the survival bow is actually pretty great on bard
with alacrity on there is no penalty from using it in combat and you outpace fighters without sprint or barbs if you keep hitting them
dawn viper
I've seen absolute garbo orange items in trade chat
gloomy summit
yeah no solo is unplayable
this guy jumped me and killed me in 0.5 seconds
with protect potion and extra armor running
gloomy summit
yeah
43 agi
million on hit damage
there was no counterplay
I knew where he was even
junior hare
oof
tardy rain
we went from "fucking rangers" to "fucking fighters" back to "FUCK ROGUES"
gloomy summit
my god half the high-roller lobby is just naked rogues stealthing with pickpocket
junior hare
how long does it take to steal?
gloomy summit
you just have to be able to hit interact on them
then it starts a timer like any other interaction
doesn't matter where they are afterwards you just have to let it finish
tardy rain
I've had spudhunter on in the background and most of his kills in HR are just rogues.
Then again, most of his lobbies don't even fill up to full.
gloomy summit
yes
gloomy summit
Then again, most of his lobbies don't even fill up to full.
which region is he on
and is it solo or trios
would be great information for hell runs without having to have a deathmatch for the only escape portals
And I would like to find the twitch streamer/youtuber that inflated my magic damage drums
they went from 50g to 500g for max rolls
tardy rain
I have no idea tbh. But hes just grinding HR gobbo cave
And he's a good ranger. Rn he should be top solo ranger on the boards
gloomy summit
If you guys ever find magic damage drum I'll take them off your hands
I can most likely give someone in return
if not I'll just give you 200g for a +3
tardy rain
It looks like US-WEST is largely empty, but it's the most cheater-prone.
gloomy summit
bard feels garbage to play now
tardy rain
The US court case was dismissed in Ironmace's favor.
Think an appeal is still possible though and I can't imagine Nexon won't take the lengths to go for the appeal.
junior hare
bard feels garbage to play now
what happened
proper halo
what happened
I'm assuming the hot fix changes?
tardy rain
Bard's Din of Darkness attribute application factor has been changed from 50%/50%/50% to 10%/30%/50%.
Bard's Piercing Shrill's attribute application factor has been changed from 50%/50%/50% to 10%/30%/50%.
Bard's Accelerando changed from 5/10/15 to 5/8/11
Bard's Allegro's action speed and cast speed per second increase from 5/7/9% to 3/5/7%.
Bard's Harmonic Shield Armor and Spell Resistance bonuses changed from 50 to 40.
junior hare
oh shit i didn't see that hotfix yet
gloomy summit
> Bard's Din of Darkness attribute application factor has been changed from 50%/...
none of these matter
It's this one
Increased the baseline score for the Good rating when a bard completes a performance.
Charismatic Performance lets you only skip one note
with the exception of two for Din
Songs take 2-3x longer to play now
tardy rain
o
glad mason
Good I hated going against bards lol
tardy rain
I guess they wanted to balance against cancelling songs early.
glad mason
https://reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/s/6lXB13MuXw mordhow players are having so much fun in this game lol
junior hare
people using them as asset holdings I think
junior hare
how are people transacting over 1250g?
it used to be with the event currency, but we got nothin
gloomy summit
people will usually ask for a key + gold
junior hare
that explains the big increase then
gloomy summit
you think its gone up in value not because of its use but because of it being a convenient fake commodity?
I guess that makes sense
junior hare
have they published loot tables anywhere? at least for the golden chest?
junior hare
you think its gone up in value not because of its use but because of it being a ...
depending on the drop rate, it could also be a handful of individuals basically taking over the market for them
some dude is literally selling 9 of them
gloomy summit
I have 4 saved up myself
might be he had them for a while
or he's just flipping them
glad mason
People are also doing middleman transactions for insane items
gloomy summit
have they published loot tables anywhere? at least for the golden chest?
The best I could find is a table on the wiki, thought the loot tables have changed since last playtest
glad mason
A bow was sold for over 26k gold
gloomy summit
a lot of the numbers are outdated but it works something like this
and more importantly, luck
junior hare
gloomy summit
my premade lets me open every boss kill/high tier chest because I enter every run with 150 luck minimum
gloomy summit
so I have a 2.5x chance of generating purple loot
gloomy summit
bard passive
tardy rain
brah
gloomy summit
100 luck, and with a good potion roll 250
I still have this lying around from my last high roller run
Not sure who to sell it to
probably rogues?
tardy rain
maybe a solo cleric?
but leaning towards rogues.
ah actually rangers might not be bad.
gloomy summit
Nah I don't cleric would ever not want to run plate anything
gloomy summit
I can see rangers being better, with how high the damage numbers on bows go, almost 5% might be better than flat
junior hare
you'll get highest price in rogue chat
junior hare
one of the HR meta comps is cleric bard rogue
glad mason
Is it still with the bard nerfs?
gloomy summit
yes
rogue is grief though for cleric bard comp
either take fighter for additional frontlining and avoid big rooms or replace with ranger/wizard for an all-rounder comp
junior hare
how often do you go down when doing HR?
gloomy summit
always
gloomy summit
we almost never do bosses
not worth it
doodoo loot
when half the mechanics either oneshot you or put you down to 20%
and making your loot unrecoverable if you die
junior hare
is the hoard room not worth it?
tardy rain
Plus think the necromancer is still the only boss that'd be "worth" doing.
Ghost king is unnecessarily difficult still by the looks.
gloomy summit
we used to think the same about the undead commander until he instantly killed me with two throwing knives to the head, two seperate times
its possible to one-cycle him the flute debuff but the instant throwing knife thing is just dumb
gloomy summit
to reiterate, we lost gear worth 5k+ to bosses and only one kill out of 5 even gave purples
you're better off farming bosses and rushing gold chests
glad mason
just found out the rusted key can drop from the worm in center of ruins
gloomy summit
I have still to figure out what the key does
glad mason
it opens up a gold pile on ruins
glad mason
gloomy summit
You used to do that in hell for free before they removed that pile
maybe thats why the prices for keys steadily went up
or a part of it at least
junior hare
LOL they're just straight selling it for rmb now
bought this yesterday for 1k, used it for a few runs
just sold it for 1 key + 700g
junior hare
the drum snipes 
tardy rain
Reject crossbow
Embrace drum
gloomy summit
bought this yesterday for 1k, used it for a few runs
just sold it for 1 key + 70...
wait, it's multi-use?
tardy rain
think he's referring to the pendant.
junior hare
yeah i used the pendant, not the key
junior hare
Katsuie can you ask your fighter friend to screenshot some of his gear? I'm at 60% PDR and trying to figure out why I'm so far from 90%
junior hare
like even if I maxed out the other attr rolls, I think the best I could hit is 75%
gloomy summit
so the Golden Keys went past being currency and are now exclusively used to scam people
tardy rain
also inevitable behavior sadly.
glad mason
so the Golden Keys went past being currency and are now exclusively used to scam...
How so?
gloomy summit
People are trying really hard (read: being dumb) and want to push gold key value past 1250g, which is the entire trade window in bags
So now you see people asking for 1400~1500g with "150 upfront"
I have spend all my down time trying to buy a key for 1250
its not possible anymore
tardy rain
might just be me but I feel like the rubysilver should be like a 2x1 bar or something
junior hare
I'm selling my PDR fighter gear
gloomy summit
Major adjustments to PDR and Rogues at the end of leaderboard
which, according to the ingame timer, is in 28 hours?
junior hare
yeah i think so
junior hare
make a cleric and have it named ItHurtsWhenIPika
junior hare
bought for 600, sold for 1.2k
gloomy summit
Ok I found the strat
make Rubysilver Cuirasses and sell them for keys
my stash can breath again
junior hare
or make a mule
gloomy summit
Can we all agree that Barbarian is the most useless class in the game
junior hare
I vote warlock cause at least barb could potentially 1-shot
but they're both a bit weird
they should give barbs more magic resist
gloomy summit
Warlock is ok solely because he does magic damage which ruins people
The whole class gets carried by Blow of Corruption basically
junior hare
i watched orlanthi get deleted by 2 zaps and 2 ticks of din
gloomy summit
its fucked up
resistance as a whole definitely needs an overhaul
Also I'm not a fan of how not even wizards have good magic resistance amounts
junior hare
i'm 
for what they rebalance after leaderboards refresh
i'd be a big fan of them increasing health or baseline DR for everyone so fights last longer
and then soft capping sooner
gloomy summit
I hope its after it ends and not some time "after it ends"
junior hare
I already sold my pdr gear in the meantime
still can't buy keys but I've got like 60 ingots
gloomy summit
I'm not doing any of the scam trading so I started converting my ingots into cuirasses
turned two into keys and the other two I sold off for 800 because whatever
still 50 ingots to go through
junior hare
junior hare
worst legendary i've seen so far
gloomy summit
gloomy summit
Ranger meta in 2 hours boys
gloomy summit
yeah except you know
making ranger stupidly strong
Wipe on monday
spend your money and gear NOW
glad mason
What did they buff on ranger besides armor pen shot?
glad mason
I havnt really seen that many rangers use crossbows this wipe
gloomy summit
cause you can't triple-shot it
but with the perks and penetrating shot buff 100% viable
glad mason
Actually so happy rouge can’t use hand crossbows now
glad mason
I have in goblin cave. It’s not fun to go against
dawn viper
I've died a decent amount to rogues using poison+rupture with a hand crossbow
Holy they finally added magical damage to the doo doo staff
tardy rain
I mean
They could've reverted the whole "rangers need arrows now" ordeal
then they'd be really busted.
From watching people play Ranger, they're probably like just right atm balance wise.
gloomy summit
As long as triple shot exists I will disagree
glad mason
Can you armor pen the first shot of triple shot?
glad mason
wait you could have used rupture while throwing a drum???????
i completely missed this
gloomy summit
My friend got one-shot by a triple-shot to the chest at 85% PDR
Absolute dookie patch
tardy rain
glad mason
dawn viper
damn a green staff has 8 magic damage on it
dawn viper
junior hare
junior hare
@gloomy summit would you be down to go to Hell level with me and cormann so we can try the boss fight? just normal, not HR
junior hare
cool we're on
junior hare
ggs katsuie, thanks for joining in
junior hare
i've been putting my 50 weap damage falchion in fighter chat for fun and watching people spam trade me 
junior hare
ingots have shot up in price
gloomy summit
When I forgot to say WTB once I got like 12 trades
glad mason
true
gloomy summit
though even close range triple shot penetrating shot is better
junior hare
junior hare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJEefJwBPZ4
dawn viper
glad mason
LMAO
tardy rain
Oof, pots don't stack anymore.
junior hare
thank god
junior hare
i think i'm gonna have to main cleric/bard or something next season
dawn viper
Gotta actually cast spells or use campfires now
Shield pots cost 20g ea now
and its only 2 in the shop
gloomy summit
For 15 blocked damage? What a scam
Ironmace wants everyone to run bard cleric apparently
glad mason
I didn’t realize judgment can hit phantomized enemies
So happy for trap nerfs also
I didn’t even read the bandage change. That’s so stupid for it to be only recoverable health
Anyone want to duo or trio?
gloomy summit
I'm guessing the 50% scaling hit applies to the bonuses from will?
glad mason
you can apparently set traps floating in the air on top of arrows
gloomy summit
So I'm thinking its probably worth learning how to do the cave troll, because even though the loot is dookie the HR one only has 15% extra damage so its the same fight
And it can drop the funny gem
dawn viper
everyone checks it tho
when I was trying to learn it, 1-2 people would immediately pop their head in
glad mason
because its pretty much a free kill on the person doing it :/
primal scarab
One time I was doing it there was 3 people in there trying to kill each other and the troll
chilly bridge
Erm... chat, I'm thinking about getting Dark and Darker but I need a little more convincing.
What do you enjoy about it?
junior hare
kill people and be a loot goblin
chilly bridge
Hmm... I do love killing people.
In game, of course!
junior hare
https://clips.twitch.tv/AltruisticColorfulSquidHeyGirl-_BmB9QYiR9pcLza1 cormann and I sniped aethel's lobby
unreal fossil
I jumped into his stream right as they watched that clip, I didn't know it was you guys 
wet tapir
ig Cormann's the rear admiral now
dawn viper
dawn viper
Patch Notes:
All spells Attribute Bonus Ratio returned to 100%.
The All Attributes random modifiers can now go up to +3.
All potions now heal for 15 hp. The required duration for the potion decreases as the grade improves.
Improved the ratio of recoverable health from 0.5 to 0.65 for taken damage.
All bandages now take a base time of 5.5s to apply but heals varying amounts of recoverable health based on the grade.
Regular Interaction Speed bonus is applied at only 50% bonus when using a Surgical Kit or Bandage.
Francisca Axe price reduced from 24 to 18 and Hunting Trap price increased from 7 to 10.
Bard’s Accelerando 5/8/11 -> 5/7/9
Bard’s Allegro 3%/5%/7% -> 3%/4.5%/6%
Bard’s Shriek of Weakness -10/-25/-40 -> -10/-20/-30
Wizard’s Zap 1s -> 1.25s
QuaterStaff MoveSpeed Penalty -35 -> -30
Zweihander MoveSpeed Penalty -50 -> -45
High Roller entrance fee will be kept at 50 gold for now.
The gold hoard has been removed from the Ruins map.
dawn viper
I didnt get to use 3-4 different wizard sets of gear with 100% bonus ratio ):
I gave it all away last night in trade chat
junior hare
debating on maining cleric this time around
dawn viper
idk what class I wanna do first
glad mason
already clerics with full blue armor in goblin caves
glad mason
anyone elses triumph level not reset?
gloomy summit
they weren't supposed to
glad mason
they said they were but i guess they are doing it next wipe instead... :/
primal scarab
Mfers kitted out with capes the first group I run into
gloomy summit
they said they were but i guess they are doing it next wipe instead... :/
They said they will at the start of season 1
dawn viper
junior hare
gyat
dawn viper
jesus fuck
junior hare
downstairs?
gloomy summit
yes
but I also found those pants I posted on floor 1
oh boy
pendants pants chest weapons can have +3 all again
gloomy summit
dawn viper
jesus christ
gloomy summit
so with one of the instruments/weapons equipped its +17
I get +3 from my drums and another +3 to will and knowledge from a trait
glad mason
That’s still +34 health
junior hare
i have a +2 lyre if you want it
gloomy summit
this honestly the patch to play wizard if I wasn't stuck on bard
knowledge gear always goes for so cheap for some reason
I guess people don't know it lets you meditate faster?
junior hare
the meta is just going to be permanently bard/cleric/ X until they figure out what they're doing with sustain
primal scarab
Bard/cleric/rogue is insane. Groups don't know what hit them when the rogue is in their face on steroids and barriers with 2 unfriendlies closing in.
The rogues going to take out at least 1 and fighting a 2v2 against a buffed bard/cleric... you going to lose
gloomy summit
https://i.imgur.com/Yp1fYvW.png Anyone want this?
It will end up on the floor of the ruins otherwise soon
dawn viper
Patch Notes:
As an experiment, ‘The Ruins’ map can now only be accessed by solo and duo teams.
The weapon damage gap between the different grades has been reduced.
Slight damage reduction to Stiletto Dagger, Short Sword, Rapier, Horseman's Axe, Falchion, and Crossbow.
Slight damage increase to Zweihander, Wizard Staff, Halberd, Felling Axe, and Bardiche.
Large damage increase to Viking Sword and Kris Dagger.
Higher quality lanterns have a lower move speed penalty.
Rogue’s Caltrops ability cooltime reduced from 24 → 12s,
Rogue’s Caltrops ability slow duration increased from 2 → 3s,
Rogue’s Caltrops ability count reduced from 6 → 4.
The Ruins' final triple blue portal has been changed to 2 single blue portals.
One blue portal in normal Goblin Cave near the end has been removed.
Fixed an issue where the Buckler could not benefit from perks related to the Fighter's Shield.
Fixed an issue that could cause too much damage to be calculated at once.
Fixed several known crashes.
As an experiment, we have removed the entrance fee for the High Roller dungeons.
The Trading Post and High-Roller features are locked behind a 120-hour time gate for accounts less than 5 days old.
bruh
As an experiment, we have removed the entrance fee for the High Roller dungeons.
gloomy summit
Slight damage reduction to Stiletto Dagger, Short Sword, Rapier, Horseman's Axe, Falchion, and Crossbow.
Another bard nerf lets goooo
Soon I will just be buying a purple Lute and whacking people with it
glad mason
gloomy summit
I have gambled hundreds upon hundreds of ore
I am several thousands minus in unrealised gold
junior hare