1.21 - The End Update

[river kelp]

There is evidence that mojang is working updating the light engine to support coloured light. This would be especially useful in bringing the end to life as it is a very dark place and has a purple theme. With a bit of imagination one can imagine to make the dark an alien like realm of the end alive and keep its mysterious nature coloured light would be especially useful. In addition the colourful light would especially effect the otherwise pale looking endstone. I know that's very little evidence, but with the end already having a mysterious light source the endrods and the previously mentioned arguments, I think its a good guess

[shrewd swan]

The End, overall, while a dark and mysterious dimension, is ultimately bland and barren. Yes, it serves the purpose of housing the final boss of the game and the end city ships which contain rare loot including the Wings of Elytra, but overall there is no reason to stay in the End beyond that.

[turbid yarrow]

i will say this: On Bedrock (The main Minecraft Version by far), the 1.9 update was labeled "The Ender Update". Remember that combat on Bedrock never changed. So the idea that there will be new things added to it is unlikely, as something that's very post-game is not looked highly upon by the devs. Especially something that they updated fairly recently. Remember it took almost 4 years to add one new block to redstone, so imagine how long it might take to get another update as big as that, under a similar idea and name?

[high heart]

Yeah ive heard about that

Thatd be amazing

Ancient cities having blue lighting as well gonna look awesome

[dull parrot]

nah

we need badlands more than end

[river kelp]

It is very empty and one could even say searching for hours for an endcity without anything but chorus flower and endermen isn't quite that good from a gameplay perspective, so I doubt that is intended. Some colourful light and biomes where there is natural colourful light would make a huge difference

thats unlikely, since mojang already annouced to update all of the existing dimensions before adding new ones. The nether is done, the overworld generation was massively overhauled in the updates since (where the main features like the deep dark, the caves and cliffs including world height changes should have all been one update). So the Wild Update was just to complete the "Overworld update (caves and cliffs)" and now there is nothing left to be completed except for the end

[river kelp]

I think it is very likely, since the end is very empty, and just as I told that1dude it would be the last of the three if you look at it from a dimensions-overhaul, wherethe nether update was the first (which makes sense since it is a very old dimension and there wasn't much before) than huge the caves and cliffs update features got split into 3 updates (with some added ones) and this year update is intentionally small to prepare for the big end update. With that they would have completed the trinity of dimension updates which they have teased

but certainly they can always just add more to the over world if they feel like giving the end a bit more time

[brazen turret]

End Update believers when they found out Mojang has better priorities than updating a late game-only dimension which hasn't been visited by a good chunk of the playerbase

Mojang won't update the End anytime soon. Not only it's absolutely unecessary right now and there are better priorities than it, but there's no proof whatsoever of them ever doing that

Yes, Mojang may be experimenting with colored light, and this proves literally nothing. It's perfectly more believeable that this is a feature for 1.20 in order to help builders and customization, considering the theme of the update which is storytelling and self expression

[brazen turret]

Thank god someone else disputed this

[brazen turret]

Yeah it's empty and lame, just like a ton of other features which are actually accesible for most of the playerbase and matters overall

"dimension updates" the Overworld is far from fully "updated", there's still a lot to do in order to complete it

biomes, structures, mobs, all of this needs an update in one way or another

[brazen turret]

Yes because the Overworld does infact need more lmao

maybe "more" is not the correct word, it's a refreshing and improvement instead which also has the chance to get new content with it

[dense dirge]

“Hasn’t been visited by a good chunk of the player base”

With that logic why did Mojang update the nether

[brazen turret]

The Nether is an important part of the game and one actually relevant for the playerbase lol

[dense dirge]

Yea.. so is the end

[brazen turret]

literally no

[dense dirge]

It’s important

And relevant

It needs content

Have you never been to the end before?

[brazen turret]

Fun fact: It's not
Playing without the End is perfectly possible and absolutely viable for the casual playerbase which makes up the majority

[brazen turret]

Yes, I play Minecraft.

[dense dirge]

…

How will you beat the game lol

The end is there so a reason

And hasn’t been updated in years

[brazen turret]

Beating the game isn't a necessity

at best it's an optional quest

[dense dirge]

…

[brazen turret]

at worst it's pretty irrelevant

[dense dirge]

With that logic

Going to the nether isn’t necessary

It’s just some side quests

I gtg

Look at yourself for a second

“The end is not necessary”

[brazen turret]

Not particulary, but it still has good niches and stuff that a player would want

[brazen turret]

and maybe you try to bring a good point for once

[dense dirge]

The end wouldn’t be necessary 10 years ago

Because back then it was a survival game only

Now it has evolved

Also

You saying it has small things in it

Proves my point

[brazen turret]

Minecraft getting apart of survival get's as early as the beta 1.8 💀

[brazen turret]

wh

[dense dirge]

Ik

my mistake then

I can’t type a lot

on my phone

12 years ago if

[brazen turret]

Typing on phone my pain

[dense dirge]

Yea

[brazen turret]

I guess, I would say beta 1.7 was the last which can be considered "survival focused"

or well, where survival was difficult should be the better word

the game still focuses somewhat on survival a bit

[river kelp]

Isn't the nether just a step on the way to the end. There is very little more you gain from going to the nether gameplay wise, than going to the end

[dense dirge]

The end could definitely be like the nether if it got an update

[dense dirge]

Before 1.16 this was all the nether was

Why wouldn’t they do the same to the end

I hope 1.20 is the end update

Or 1.21

[brazen turret]

The Nether gives you access to several good blocks and niches for parts of the playerbase, along being a more challenging aspect for people who like pve
people definetely have good reasons to go there, pre 1.16 or not, even if it is kinda niche sometimes

[brazen turret]

I'm pretty sure they will, my point is that it won't be anytime soon

[dense dirge]

This is the end

[brazen turret]

the Overworld will need at least 5 updates before the End gets touched in a big way

[dense dirge]

Besides the pvp part

[brazen turret]

and I'm being optimistic here

[river kelp]

Thats what I was thinking. And @brazen turret most players of most games don't reach end game, but those players are not the driving player base and for minecraft, many players are also inspired by online content of the late game

[brazen turret]

"but those players are not the driving player base" I love how untrue this is

[dense dirge]

The overworld doesn’t need more updates for now

We got caves and cliffs 1 and 2 and 3 and hopefully not 4

[river kelp]

I think the overworld got a lot recenty

[dense dirge]

Same

also 1.20 is hopefully a big update

[brazen turret]

It does lol

Biomes still need revamps, so do mobs. Structures can get a lot better along new ones which fresh up it better

and that doesn't take into account issues like enchanting or brewing which deserve their own updates. There's also progression, which I THINK can go along (and very nicely) with an End update, not sure if Mojang will ever touch that aspect though

oh combat exist too... what am I supposed to say

tbh I think combat can go along other update? wether it's the End or not, idk

[dense dirge]

The most is a forest biome lol. Enchanting and brewing don’t need their own updates they could be sides to a bigger update

What structures need revamps

[river kelp]

What is untrue about that. The casual players who don't invest much time into the game and aren't don't create content are not the people who inspire new players and get more people to play the game. Am I wrong ?

[dense dirge]

Structures just make some stuff easier to find (that should be rare)

||save diamonds||

[brazen turret]

"The most is a forest biome" deserts, badlands, every type of forest biome and snowy tundras. Oceans could get touch ups too, 1.13 helped a lot, but it's definetely an aspect of the game that can be better

"What structures need revamps" Oh I don't know, whaaaat structure could not get a revamp 🤔 🤔 🤔 , oooh I know! lame structures like desert temples and even jungle temples! mansions are pointless right now too, but oh well these structures do not exist do they? they are just an illusion made by the government right

[river kelp]

I don't think 1.20 can be big. They where behind on a lot for the last few updates. Thats why I think 1.21 will be big again. So they are most likely already preparing a lot for the minecraft live next year

[dense dirge]

“Mansions are pointless”

I gtg so

You are trying to say

The overworld should get every update and every revamp

[brazen turret]

They are the whole reason Minecraft is filled with players and the ones who give Youtubers a reason to upload content lol, I wouldn't say one specific playerbase is driving everything, every base fits their role, even the most niche one. Youtubers support this, being a factor which increases the game popularity along many others

[dense dirge]

After 3 (maybe 4) big overworld updates in a row

Instead of an end update

Honestly I think you are just trying to find reasons for no end update

It would be kinda sad if we got a structure revamp update

Instead of end

I need to go

Like rn

So peace

[brazen turret]

Yeah they are. Theres' no reason to visit a mansion due to how extremely rare they are
totems, which were previously exclusive to them, are stupidly farmable to the point you essentially just become immortal

tell me that message didn't duplicate

stupid internet

[brazen turret]

💀 ?

yeah? and? those reasons are good and prove that there are better priorities. If you want to ignore everything, oh well

[dense dirge]

You can’t accept an end update

Bye

You want the overworld to be perfect

Before the end is even touched

This is why no one agrees with you

Besides maybe another RGN chat no life

[brazen turret]

I will once Mojang ever does it in the future if at least some priorities are done
There's a lot of possibility for the End, and I want to see that happening, just not for now. And tbh, this amount of time may even give Mojang a lot of chance to brainstorm and iterate in the best way possible, getting a good outcome for a update

[brazen turret]

Fun fact: I'm not the only one which agrees an End update won't happen soon

[dense dirge]

End for the win

Bye like fr

[brazen turret]

💀 ?

[river kelp]

So what, the professionals and those who spend the time to actually reach the end game are attracting a lot more players. I also don't think mojang is shying away from creating end game content, as you can see with the warden. I would assume the deep dark can be pretty hard if not impossible for casual players

[brazen turret]

The deep dark is not end game
it's more close to a mid-game or even possibly early-game stealth structure. You need to know what you're doing, and even a late game player can fail at this if they don't act accordingly

[river kelp]

Either way I don't have to convince you. Thank you for sharing your perspective ^^

[dense dirge]

LMAO

yea there is no way to convince you

[ruby sun]

huh

[brazen turret]

I love this forum

I love talkin with walls

[ruby sun]

but the deep dark is not end game content

[brazen turret]

this is unironically a fun way to waste time

[dense dirge]

Should there be an end update

Yes or no

[ruby sun]

I literally went into one with just iron armor with a few enchantments

[ruby sun]

not **yet **

[dense dirge]

Ima go

[river kelp]

It may not be end game, but its also nothing for casual players

[dense dirge]

Please shut up @brazen turret

[brazen turret]

me when people assume I don't want an End update despite that not being my point
I WANT one, just not right now. In the soon future? yes, and I'm only hoping Mojang does it correclty

[brazen turret]

No 👍

you have no control over me

[dense dirge]

Are you 9 lol?

Bye

[brazen turret]

Are you 7?

[dense dirge]

No

Bye

[brazen turret]

Then act like you are above 13

[ruby sun]

there are worse things to update before the end, I would love to see the end updated like how they overhauled the nether and it became just perfect as an update, but now I think there are bigger issues that have to be updated, updating the end is a big focus, so I think fixing these minor priority things while adding some extra content is fine, the end can wait

[river kelp]

The deep dark has the highest enchantment rate and rare loot of the entire game... I would call that end game. But maybe you where unlucky with that one you found

[brazen turret]

That doesn't really make it end game at all
I classify early, mid and end game by at what point the player can access it... and the funny thing is that the deep dark can be accesed by basically all of these stages

[ruby sun]

well in terms of difficulty is not that end game, the loot might be considered end game due the rarity and value, but consider that the structure is also rare to find

[brazen turret]

though that's just how I interpret it so uh

I guess early mid and end game is more subjetive than anything else

[dense dirge]

I am above 13

[brazen turret]

ok

[dense dirge]

I just don’t like your thinking

You act like the overworld should have more updates before the end gets one

[brazen turret]

Okay then, I don't like yours either, but for that reason I'm not going to tell you to shut up

[dense dirge]

1.20/1.21 is the perfect time for an end update

[dense dirge]

I don’t have all day to type

I’m at a shop rn

[brazen turret]

1.20 isn't
The update focus is self representation along story telling, that was confirmed by Kingbdogz
along that, the scope of the update is much smaller, with 1.21 likely being the actual big update everyone wants

[brazen turret]

we can argue later then

I have no problem

[dense dirge]

Naw

Ima just not argue

There’s no way to convince you

[brazen turret]

ok

[dense dirge]

And no way to convince me

No point

[brazen turret]

agree to disagree

[ruby sun]

tbf not many players visit the end

and a lot less even kill the dragon to access the outer end

lets also remember that, to access the outer end islands you are almost forced to kill the dragon, and not every player even wants to do that

[brazen turret]

I can't believe some players actually struggle to defeat the ender dragon T

[river kelp]

but those who do inspire the most new players to start playing, don't you think? And a more attractive end would probably draw more people there

[river kelp]

For now thats true

[brazen turret]

just grab a billion blocks and make a bridge

[dense dirge]

Very true

[river kelp]

But an update could change that too

[dense dirge]

My family is leaving I can’t chat

Bye

[river kelp]

Bye

[rancid void]

How possible is it that if they did update the end they might add a way in other than the main gate.......

..... could this be the purpose of the Warden's gate?

for the exact reason you outlined

also rainworld is a great game btw

[brazen turret]

I doubt. Strongholds serve their purpose, but they need some serious updating and I think they should get the priority

[brazen turret]

I have been suffering through it but yeah

[rancid void]

same... I'm still a bit bewildered by it but I've made it up to the sky islands area (to tell the truth I'm lost)

[brazen turret]

oh and if I recall correctly, the devs said they don't want to involve the DD in the progression? but take this with a very small graint of salt, I'm likely very wrong here

[rancid void]

maybe... but I feel like this would add to the theme of multiple ways to play and "beat" the game

a back door to the end

[brazen turret]

m

[rancid void]

one thats not easy

but would allow a bunch of players who don't want to or can't do the normal game run

to experience the end

[keen canopy]

Nextworld Update

[keen canopy]

Tbf there's no reason for them to not add incentives in a future update

Honestly I hope an end update is gonna happen soon

But as said before, there's incentive from the devs not to update the end in the near future

Some of the other structures I can see needing an update tho

Especially dungeons

[brazen turret]

new incentives should be ones that make you go back frequently methinks
the Nether has things like fast travel, bartering and etc which already do this

[brazen turret]

things that make you go there for the first time exist, like elytras and shulker boxes

but these are not things that will usually make you come back

[keen canopy]

Bartering wasn't added until the nether update

My point is that an end update could create incentives to come back to the end that didn't exist before

[brazen turret]

I know?

[brazen turret]

I know???

[keen canopy]

Misinterpreted what you said

mb

[high heart]

Netherite doesnt really have a sink rn

Nor does copper or diamond

Nor do any ancient city loot items

When they add new resources and trearues

They shouldnt all be 1 time use things

They should be useful for things perpetually

Beacons are good example

You can always invest in more beacons

So hopefully if we get more end resources, they have actual sinks like with shulker boxes, although those are farmable now

Diamond is rhe biggest offender right now tho

They are supposed to be valuable

But unless you want a million jukeboxes

After you're geared up they don't do anything anymore

[ruby sun]

what if instead of adding new end resources they add stuff in the end that gives more uses and value to the items that dont have many uses? (netherite, copper, diamond, etc)

[dull parrot]

Does 'The End' need a continuation?

[unborn scarab]

no/

[unborn scarab]

mojang needs new content and is very shallow with its additions

it has leaned towards appeasing younger and, less brighter communities with its updates lately

[ruby sun]

huh?

me when

me when people complain about 1.20 when 1.10 was polar bears, observer, magma, stray and husk I think and something else so redundant that I don't remember

ah yea bone blocks, and netherwart block & red netherbricks

I think structure blocks were also added in 1.10 but it might be 1.11

[unborn scarab]

How does mangrove add to the game’s lore

[dull parrot]

No

[grim island]

I think this is a good theory, it would make sense to add more to the end at this point in time given Minecraft's new relevance in this day and age. It does make me wonder though, will they ever add anything from Minecraft dungeons?

[dry cypress]

"fairly recently"? its been 6 years since its update

[slender roost]

Not with the current style of updates

[river kelp]

How do you come to that conclusion?

[slender roost]

The current system adds random things every week