Project Vital

[modest lantern]

https://github.com/IAmDazen/Project-Vital This Is The Repository

Im Looking For People Who Know The Keys And The Algorithm Used

[torpid onyx]

Yes

[jovial schooner]

Can I raise a few suggestions for this new Vital App?

[unborn wing]

FWIW that document in the GitHub just sound like a bunch of wants and doesn't describe how anything is to be implemented

[torpid onyx]

Question

Where do we start?

The only way forward is that build up our information

[jovial schooner]

I just wanna raise some suggestions for this app if that's alright...?

I have absolutely no coding knowledge or experience

[torpid onyx]

The only knowledge I have is electronic hardware, but not coding

And my tools are limited

[jovial schooner]

I just have some general thoughts after using the Vital Arena App

If you would accept me, I can be that trial and error person

[torpid onyx]

OK

But I think it’s up to the person that started the project

[jovial schooner]

Yeah, true

[torpid onyx]

I just joined in because I wanted to be the tester too

[jovial schooner]

Oooh

[torpid onyx]

The only thing I can contribute is probably using my already broken GN

Night schedule

In a load of broken vital bracelet

[jovial schooner]

Annnd I basically can't do anything... I can only be that trial and error person, but I do have some suggestions after frequently using the Vital Arena app

[torpid onyx]

I have better suggestions such as having player matching being improved having a more storage for custom characters also

I can only contribute to the hardware part

[jovial schooner]

Mine is that the app doesn't separate the Vital Bracelet and the BE

Unlike what they did with the Arena app

And maybe some more purchasable items instead of just the Vital drinks and the evolution timer

[torpid onyx]

Crucial thing we need is someone that knows how to program

In tools to execute the project

How is information sent back-and-forth between devices?

It already documentation about it

[jovial schooner]

I'm guessing it'll be NFC based? Kinda like the Arena app

And if it's going to be a phone app

But yeah we don't know just yet

[torpid onyx]

The characters sprites had to be stored in app

That also goes for character, ID and card from

Which is already documented?

[jovial schooner]

Then I guess we can use that?

I really don't know I'm a biology major

[torpid onyx]

It’s still good

[raven shadow]

Just a ballspitting conversation between me and ChattyGips: not sure how much can be useful as I don't know anything about this at all.

https://chatgpt.com/share/56d3f011-5934-49ff-8e23-675cff797fa2

[torpid onyx]

😦

[raven shadow]

How I would start:

• hatch some test digimons
• read it with an NFC tool
• documents how the NFC data is parsed into digimons
• trying to do a little mobile app to just recieve and send those data (without maniuplating it)
• scrape all the digimon images from VBArena
• assign each image to a digimon to be visualized in the app

With this done we will have an app where we can at least keep our Digimon in.

[vocal siren]

Actually, the plural of Digimon is Appmon.

[jovial schooner]

Dude f off Tarakotchi

[vocal siren]

http://humulos.com/digimon/images/ui/tarakotchi_white.gif

[raven shadow]

Second batch:

• trying to understand how the stats are working by evolving the digimon or doing some actions that are altering the stats from the VB (ChattyGips says there is already some studies about this and can be integrated)

Third batch:

• implementing what is already on VB Arena offline (battles, items)

Said that, my coding skills are not enough to handle the project (I am more oriented into Linux/bash scripting).

[strange cradle]

@raven shadow has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[jovial schooner]

Thanks tho! This project can use all the help it can get

Look at me, I don't know anything about coding and programming, but I guess I can be a trial and error testor and give some feedback/suggestions?

[raven shadow]

I believe that before of that we need a very very simple read/write app so we can store and send "Appmon" through the bracelets and see the data being altered by the bracelet itself.

If someone can code (in flutter?) I can support it by "project managing" until my (limited) skills are enough.

Moreover if the bracelets are no more sold in the future the app can even take the function of the bracelet itself.

[jovial schooner]

👀 Good one

[strange cradle]

SHINKA!

@jovial schooner has evolved into Adult!

[jovial schooner]

H u h

But how will DiMs work in that case?

As a download package?

[torpid onyx]

You’re gonna have to have a custom ID

[raven shadow]

I just noticed the VitalWear project, I believe that a lot information form this app can be taken from there and maybe partnered.

[jovial schooner]

Oh?

[raven shadow]

Well, that is a good question for the VitalWear project actually.

https://discord.com/channels/761581682686951455/1101249544588628110

[jovial schooner]

This being said, no offense but I've been wondering... Where's the dude that started the thread?

[raven shadow]

Basically this can be a companion app for VitalWear and VitalBracelet.

[jovial schooner]

Good one... I'm going to take a look at that project too

[raven shadow]

Well this thread was opened today at 6.28 JST

[jovial schooner]

Wait, one thing for the VBBE wear

Do I have to have a smart watch for that?

[prisma eagle]

Yes

[raven shadow]

Haha I don't, but I believe that if it's working for WearOs it can be working for Android too.

[jovial schooner]

Okay so... I won't be much use for the VBBE wear project then

I don't have a smart watch lol

[prisma eagle]

I'm also trying to get an app made, but aside from storage options, it's supposed to act as a companion app to my PC fangame

So idk if Id be able to help at all

[jovial schooner]

👀 I can be your trial and error lab rat if you don't mind me having zero knowledge about coding snd programming

[prisma eagle]

I'll open up beta tests when I have something thrown together

[jovial schooner]

Gimme a notify when that happen, I'll be more than happy to help

[raven shadow]

Will it be compatible with VB?

[prisma eagle]

Yes, matter of fact it's the whole center-focus of the PC game. The Companion app acts as a way to "transfer" (read: insert data) Digimon from it to the PC game, so you can battle wild Digimon with ones you raised

[strange cradle]

SHINKA!

@prisma eagle has evolved into Baby I!

[prisma eagle]

I'll likely be making my own post about it tbh, as the shutdown has kinda sprung me into higher action

[jovial schooner]

👀 I'll be happy to be your testor when you are open for beta trial

[prisma eagle]

Sure! Thank you so much for showing interest!

[jovial schooner]

Yeye yw! Luv this community so I want to help whenever I can

[devout pagoda]

Might want to check if an older capture of the app was made with the old mechanics. I know a lot of folks miss the older build.

[jovial schooner]

Ooh I've seen the older app in action on videos! That one was really cool

[devout pagoda]

Bit worried it was nuked in the current version, but I could be wrong.

[jovial schooner]

Thanks for the advice! The project starter should see it when they read the thread

[raven shadow]

Well it's a community app so it can be whatever the community wants.
Moreover you can register your Digimon and for them, save an additional data that the VB will never get, so on you bracelet your Digimon are "standard" on the app they can have movesets, advanced stats etc (like the game above).

[pallid geyser]

Great project

[modest lantern]

the reason i need beta testers is i dont have a vital bracelet myself :(

[modest lantern]

The creator of vital wear is helping me as of now

Here are the roles

[modest lantern]

At that time

Asleep

[modest lantern]

Correct

[raven shadow]

I can test and advise (I got the old VB) or do kinda like light project management if wished.

However my free time is very limited as I am already running a big project.

[pallid geyser]

I could try Beta test too

I hace vital bracelet series and BE version

[modest lantern]

im getting vbvh which WILL be compatible

but it wouldn't hurt to have more beta testers!

[grave ridge]

His

[jovial schooner]

👀 Consider me one, I do have a Vital Hero

[strange cradle]

@jovial schooner has leveled up! (7 ➜ 8)

[jovial schooner]

Yeah I double-checked the time zone once I clicked your roles, I didn't know before sorry about that

[strange hawk]

Please keep us updated on that somewhere... I would love to integrate VitalWear into other projects as well if we can agree on interfaces formats and such.

[jovial schooner]

@modest lantern Sorry for the ping, but do you need someone who can decompress the app and read fragments of the codes used?

[tiny grove]

one idea i have, before everyone makes their own app... wouldn't it be nice if they all intercommunicated?

as in, be able to move from one app to another with ease, rather than each having their own battle system and such

[iron olive]

Depends on the intention of the app. If this app is intending to basically just replace VB Arean, then no, since other apps do other things. You also don't know how the other app is going to change the information of the Digimon, possibly making it unable to go back to the Vital Bracelet.

[iron olive]

Agreed. As a senior software dev, this is where I would start too. The first thing needed is figuring out how the NFC connection works and storage of digimon, and then you can incrementally add features after.

[tiny grove]

no i mean, for example if mamedev makes one, then mamenamemodtchi makes another, that all of them have some sort of interconnect to transfer data across apps

export/import

tho until august there will not be known much

[jovial schooner]

Making a big web with that one 👀

But then mamenamemodtchi will have to do a lot more as well as Project Vital so the apps can intercommunicate with each other

[unborn wing]

I think we need someone who actually has technical knowledge of the app/device and can manage a project instead of just listing some barely coherent wishlist items

[jovial schooner]

I mean, I do have a friend who says he can try to decompress the app and read the code fragments if they need it

[unborn wing]

Talking about the OP specifically. So far all I've seen is just words that aren't quite coherent

[jovial schooner]

And over here they have something in motion, or I'll put it that way

[unborn wing]

Like you get the keys, then what? Who's going to actually be implementing any of the rest of the stuff

It's a problem I see with this type of project. People make GUIs, but they don't know the first thing about the data. Figure out how you're going to get the data off the device, then talk about all the extra features

[jovial schooner]

Oh... ye I see what you mean

[unborn wing]

And if you're going to lead a project, at least sound like you know what you're talking about and what needs to be done

[jovial schooner]

I'd love to help, but I lack the skills and I just don't have the ability to do that... I can only do as much as being a beta testor around related projects

[unborn wing]

And really, no BE support? Tamer rank and special missions don't preclude support on the BE, it's just features it doesn't take advantage of.

Tamer rank doesn't even do anything, it's merely for display, just like how abilities don't do anything on the BE itself

[jovial schooner]

^^; I can't really say anything... I'm not the project owner nor do I have the skills

But I do see what you're talking about

[modest lantern]

i forgot the other half of it

its meant to be:
No BE Support For (Some Of) 1 In The README

Or The BEMs

If You Are Using A Non BE Memory Card But Are Using A BE

It Will Be Connectable

[unborn wing]

Why wouldn't be BEMs supported?

[torpid onyx]

Sorry, I just got back in

In question, how would we disassemble the app?

Nobody has mentioned that yet

[jovial schooner]

I have a friend who can try to decompress the app if the help is needed

But noted: We're both university students, so I can't guarantee about his skills

And the other thing is that he's not in this server, so I'll have to ask him and double-check if he's comfortable working on the project

And I'm going to ask another buddy of mine to see if I can dig up anything, but nothing is guaranteed and again, they're also a university student

I'm so sorry I can't get any professional help

[modest lantern]

it is needed

thank you for offering

[jovial schooner]

I'll double-check with him! He... has a rather messed-up sleep schedule, and I gotta wait til he's awake

But if he doens't respond by 1PM then I shall drag him out of bed with calls, just like I always did 😂

[jovial schooner]

Yeah no problem! Again, I love the series too much and I hate to see it ending this way

[unborn wing]

Why would you need to disassemble the app?

[modest lantern]

shit i forgot

[torpid onyx]

Same question

[modest lantern]

i forgot the keys are server based

[torpid onyx]

With the access keys

How much of this did I miss last night?

[jovial schooner]

I dunno ^^;

[jovial schooner]

So this is what my friend says about decompressing the app if you still need it

But it'll be in two months when I go back to university

[tall heart]

Let's focus on how to transform the scanned nfc vital into a specific digimon

What data does scanning a vital bracelet return?

[modest lantern]

Idk my vital bracelet comes july 1st to 8th

[jovial schooner]

Sorry but do you mind explaining it a little bit more?

[modest lantern]

Simple

Scan in with some shitty mobile app like NFC Tools

[jovial schooner]

^^;? I'm not understanding...

[modest lantern]

Download an NFC reader

On phone

[jovial schooner]

Um... I know that

[modest lantern]

Ok tell the bracelet to connect to app

[jovial schooner]

Huh?

[modest lantern]

Put the vital bracelet in app connection mode

And read it with the NFC app

[jovial schooner]

Wait why do I have to do that? I know it's for obtaining Digimons but why all of a sudden?

[vocal siren]

Actually, the plural of Digimon is the intellectual property of Bandai Namco and all intellectual property rights in and to the Online Services and all title and interest therein, are owned exclusively by Bandai Namco and/or its licensors and are protected by domestic and foreign copyright laws and international treaties.

[strange hawk]

Doesn't work that way. You can get a read of what is essentially header data, but much beyond that and you the password to read the rest of the NFC tag.

[modest lantern]

?

[jovial schooner]

Wait so

Am I beta testing already?

[modest lantern]

Yes

[jovial schooner]

You got me really confused

[modest lantern]

You got accepted

[jovial schooner]

That's why I'm not able to connect the dots

Wait

But what do I need to do to help?

[modest lantern]

Beta testers have 3 jobs
Test builds
Collet vital bracelet NFC data
Report bugs

[jovial schooner]

So... What do I do now?

[modest lantern]

DMs

[jovial schooner]

Oh okay! And um, you don't have to ping me every single time ^^;

[modest lantern]

Ok

[strange hawk]

This won't help without proper tooling

Because without tooling they can only get to the parts that are already known

[jovial schooner]

Then I guess I'm pretty much useless? ^^;

[unborn wing]

WTF are you even beta testing when there isn't anything done yet

[modest lantern]

Idk why I just called it beta tester

[modest lantern]

No the proper tooling might be accessible

[jovial schooner]

I don't have any tools with me, my only use is beta testing

[modest lantern]

I mean tooling software

[jovial schooner]

Sir, please don't give me that emoji

I told you and stated multiple times, I do NOT know how coding or programming works

I have, literally, ZERO knowledge about modding, apps, codes, etc., that's why I signed up as a beta testor, to test trials when the first versions of your project are done

Because I will be absolutely ZERO use when you and the others are developing codes, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

And thus, I DON'T want to get in the way

[modest lantern]

I'm not asking you to do anything with the resulting data except for send it to me

[jovial schooner]

But the problem is, nothing has been done yet and I can't send you anything

I can do that once you have the trial versions out

[iron olive]

This is sorta why I was asking in your project. 😂

I guess with your app though it doesn't matter about decoding the data since you're sending to VB Arena.

[prisma eagle]

Holy fuck, you?? Dude I'd LOVE to integrate VitalWear if possible! I'm a little busy rn getting folks together but I'll get in contact soon!

[prisma eagle]

Do you think I could DM you about this stuff? I'd like to learn all I can & have some decent help and you're p much one of the most knowledgable about how the BE/VBDM work

[jovial schooner]

If you don't mind me being no use but a beta testor, do you mind getting me enrolled into your project as well? Sorry for the ping!

[prisma eagle]

Well, as soon as it's finished I'll be launching a public "proof of concept" demo for folks to play

[jovial schooner]

Oooh! I can't wait for that day to come! You really have my eyes on your project like

[prisma eagle]

I don't have much plans for beta testers past that but I'll see what happens. Rn I need a team that can help with the companion app. Specifically folks like Cyanic and cfo who have worked with BE/VBDM tech/NFC because that's the most important rn.

Then once the app is "made" we can discuss features and connectivity to other games besides my own

[jovial schooner]

Omg let's goooooo! I'm so sorry I'm no use, but wish you guys the best with all of my heart!

[prisma eagle]

I gotta get back to work on the demo rn tho as well as the post. But thank you so much!

[modest lantern]

Ok we got smth to work off of rn

[modest lantern]

Hate to break it to you but cfogrady doesn't have the keys for the characters

Just for recognising the cards

[prisma eagle]

That's fine

[strange cradle]

@prisma eagle has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[prisma eagle]

I'm looking for a team anyway, so any help is needed so long as the person contributes

[modest lantern]

I mean for switching digimon to other games I have an idea for one, and it could result in a universal format for vb individual digimon

.digimon is the format and that other game is... I think you alr know it

[prisma eagle]

@tidal glade Sorry for the ping, but in digimon project forum posts are we allowed to promote or link discord servers? id wager no but just wanted to be sure

[prisma eagle]

Im not familiar

[prisma eagle]

OH the old lab app?

[devout pagoda]

Was going to say your more likely to find folks who have messed with it in actual modding servers.

[modest lantern]

The old lab was called VB Lab

[devout pagoda]

....chrunchy

[modest lantern]

We are very alike

It's pretty much the same thing

[devout pagoda]

?

[modest lantern]

But it's more of refer to me as a they them or else say goodbye to your family, friends, and house

For me

3 birds, 1 nuke

[prisma eagle]

Lmao

[modest lantern]

Also this is project vital, project vital isn't the old lab app 🤣

Why can't I use fucking Discord emojis

[tidal glade]

No, all standard rules apply

[prisma eagle]

Thank you!

[modest lantern]

Shit

[mental goblet]

This is utter chaos. Can't help but watch with morbid curiosity. Hope it spawns something cool!

[modest lantern]

It's only this area of project vital that's chaotic, the group is pretty calm and collected

[unborn wing]

Maybe be calm and collected everywhere

[iron olive]

Yeah, chaos does not really make people inclined to help. 😅

[iron olive]

As in you would be able to transfer Digimon from the BE/Hero, and then play with them on the phone/computer, and transfer them back, etc?

[modest lantern]

ATTENTION BETA TESTERS:
FOR THE FIRST BUILD THESE ARE THE CURRENT DIM CARDS PLANNED TO BE COMPATIBLE AND THEIR ASSOCIATED DIGIMON, EACH BETA BUILD WILL SUPPORT MORE DIM CARDS

Pulse City - Pulsemon
Wolf Howl- Gabumon
Dinosaur Roar- Agumon
Gammamon - Gammamon
Angoramon - Angoramon
Jellymon - Jellymon```

And we will hopefully have the keys for the individual digimon soon

Photon will probably be used for battle networking

[unborn wing]

Wat

There's no individual keys

Maybe take a step back and become acclimated with the platform before you start anything

Actually waiting for your device to arrive would be a good step

[tall heart]

For beta testers to contribute, there needs to be an app/tool "ready" with instructions for them to collect any data that you may need

[modest lantern]

Good point

[unborn wing]

At the current rate of disorganization, I'd say the first build is going to come out some time between 3 years and never

[tall heart]

Nah idts

[unborn wing]

Like have you done any requirement gathering? Looked at the technology options? Done any research on what is needed to interpret Dim cards and communicate with devices?

[modest lantern]

I've got a plan for the first build that should only take a few days to make

[unborn wing]

Have you ever done any software development? "A few days" for something of a usable scope is extremely unrealistic

[modest lantern]

Its just a battle system with maybe dim recognition in the first build

And yes

I have

[unborn wing]

Yeah, "just Dim recognition", how are you going to do that when you don't even have the requisite hardware

"just a battle system"

[tall heart]

He's already got some data here from someone else

[modest lantern]

I never said I'm doing it now

[unborn wing]

I mean sure if you use the exact logic Bandai uses it might be fairly straightforward, but I imagine your output is just going to be text on a screen

[modest lantern]

You got good point, I should focus on getting my vital bracelet first

Guess who's not getting much sleep tonight?

[unborn wing]

Definitely get sleep first, you're not getting anything done tonight

[modest lantern]

Ok

Good night

[vocal siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761583977748103178/848705637743067196/night_toko.mp4

[iron olive]

I mean, I've gotten things up and running in a few days during hackathons or game jams or stuff.
Were they good is another issue though. 😅

[unborn wing]

That comes with a relatively clear idea of what you're trying to do and a mostly clear path to achieving it

[iron olive]

Eh, I mean the ones we do at work it's usually a group of random devs thrown together so there isn't really a clear idea. That's typically what we use the first few hours for, lol.

But yeah, if you want to make something that isn't a total mess, you need a plan and time for sure.

[jovial schooner]

Sorry for the ping and interrupting the conversation! Are you planning on projects that's related to the Vital Series?

[iron olive]

...At work??

[jovial schooner]

Oh no! Like, fan projects

Like the Wear OS and the BE MODs

Sorry I wasn't clear enough ><

[iron olive]

I was not particularly planning on any projects, no. Though I might help out someone else's.

[jovial schooner]

Oh alright! I was just asking but thanks for letting me know!

I'm just peeking around to see if any project needs beta testers is all, I wanna help out even though I'm 0 use most of the time

[prisma eagle]

In a sense yes. The app would essentially perform a data "sync" meaning all the Digimon you have/select from the app would be synced to the PC game. Then any items or changes made that specifically affect things on the BE/her/VBDM like practice clocks, NEXT timers, vital drinks etc would sync BACK to the app.

Think of the app and PC game as something similar to that of the DS Pokemon games and Pokemon Battle Revolution, where you're not doing full transfers, but rather syncs

This is assumption though, as I'd need someone like @unborn wing to actually run me through how the VB works so I could actually see if something like that was possible

Though with my semi-limited knowledge on how things like this work, it should be feasible.

[iron olive]

Why not have the game on the app itself?

[prisma eagle]

Because that's not the point of the game

[iron olive]

Fair enough, lol.

[prisma eagle]

Yuh, that's why I compared it to battle Revolution lol

[iron olive]

I did not play that one, so I don't have context on it, lol.

[prisma eagle]

OH it was a Wii Pokemon game that basically acted as a battle sim, with different colloseums you can participate in. You could bring in your own Pokemon or use pre-made ones from the game itself, but the main focus was bringing in your own. Just like here. The game does give you starters incase you don't have a VB/your own Digimon, but the main premise is to bring your own.

[strange cradle]

SHINKA!

@prisma eagle has evolved into Baby II!

[iron olive]

That does sound familiar actually. 🤔

But that would be possible to do just in an app though too, and less steps than transferring to the phone, then syncing to the PC, then syncing back to the phone. Like, that's kind of what VB Arena was, except worse right? 😂

[prisma eagle]

That's still not the point of the PC game.

You bring a good point but that can easily be fixed by just syncing items as well. At least, VB specific items so you don't constantly need to do transfers between 3 devices

[iron olive]

You need to sync the Digimon to ensure you have the correct stats and stuff though right, especially after using items and stuff?

[prisma eagle]

No, because that'd be calculated in app

[iron olive]

Right, but the PC app uses the stats of the Digimon for fighting right? Or am I misunderstanding something?

[prisma eagle]

The PC game farms/gets the items
The app uses the items
and the VB receives the changes from those items. You'd have a an item storage in app that the PC transfers to. And there's no items that affect stats rn because of the VBDMs inability to use those stats, and with a revamped stat system in the PC game.

[prisma eagle]

In a way they do, as stats on the PC game use the same stats as standard RPGs, specifically CS. So there is no HP BP AP, but rather HP, SP, ATK, WIS (INT), DEF, SPD etc

So for rn, any stat gains you make on the VB will be ignored until I find a way to make it fair for VBDM/Hero users

[iron olive]

Ah, so the PC app just uses like a default array for fighting, and syncing just makes the Digimon available for use?

[prisma eagle]

Because if you have a team consisting of AncientGreymon and Beelzemon 2010, and go up against a person who has stat maxed SHoutmon X7 and Fenriloogamon, you'll be at a disadvantage

[prisma eagle]

Yes exactly

These questions should be better suited in my own forum post because I'm kinda taking away from this one, so I'd reccomend halting anymore questions until my own forum post is made

[iron olive]

Yeah that's fair. 👍

[prisma eagle]

Which'll be soon, I promise

[devout pagoda]

As a former wash out who programmed a vpet from scratch in c and the same rendering library as half life: it took me two months to make that sucker as an advanced gui class project.

I can not stress enough, cracking an already made devices protocols is much, much harder ontop of developing an app.

And functional game logic is no picnic either.

[jovial schooner]

I'm interested! But more like, I wanna look at the finished product if you have any photos or videos? 👀 I've been hooked up by these kind of Digimon Projects for some reason

[devout pagoda]

My computer is fried and my archival disk died earlier this year. Even then it was a very personal old project, I only brought it up to stress folks need to keep their expectations in check.

[jovial schooner]

Oooh that's kinda unfortunate to hear But it also sounded really cool at the same time!

Modding Vpets must be fun, I lack the skills and understanding (Due to my lifelong condition) and could only live on other people's MODs, that's why I kinda wanna be a part in beta test, to participate when I can at least

[raven shadow]

Sorry if I reply late: ok to disassembly the app but we should not try to recreate it.
I've never seen the app code of course but I felt was very bad and unoptimized.
I would do the same mechanics but reimagined, after all thw original app is going to die so even for the online features will be OUR servers, OUR app.
Just I would like that all the app ecosystem proposed here on this whole Discord (at least) would be compatible eachothers and the less possible fragmentation: we don't have to reinvent the wheel four times to make a car.

[jovial schooner]

For the disassembly part: I have a confirm from my friend that yes, he's willing to help, but there are many restrictions so probably we would've found other ways around it by the time he even got his hands on the matter

[strange cradle]

@jovial schooner has leveled up! (8 ➜ 9)

[jovial schooner]

One is that he's a uni student, his skills are pretty limited and he did mention that he can only try his best to decompress the app and send fragments

The other is that we live in different cities. I study abroad, in his hometown, so it'll be impossible until I get back to school on late Aug

[raven shadow]

More than disassemble we should just need to understand the mechanics and reimplement them in a maybe better way.

Probably all the mechanics are already available somehwere like humulous.

Then how many and which packages are sent in a battle is up to us albeit the results are the same.

We are not basically recreating an MMO client that needs to connect to an existing service.

[jovial schooner]

I really have to say a big thanks to you Xargon, your wording allows me to finally understand some of the coding and programming steps to me

I'm finally beginning to understand 😭 screw my condition

[raven shadow]

If you have any questions or doubts feel free to ask and I will give my take on those,. don't worry.
Probably there are people that know more than me but I will try to contribute as I can with my skills 🙂

[jovial schooner]

Yeah I will be asking questions a lot, yours and DaiTigris' explanation and experiences are something so valuable and hey, dumb like me and I still get what you guys are saying

[devout pagoda]

That's.....how do I put this without sounding blunt? Step back from the passion for a moment for one. Saying you feel isn't concrete evidence and this isn't even a fledgling project YET. You guys need to look into the concrete details of how to make this possible and get a game plan, not make broad sweeping statements.

[raven shadow]

For example if possible we can try to alim down the processes to transfer the Digimon related to the DiM cards reading as probably innthe future those dim cards will be no more available on the market and should be digital.

[raven shadow]

I am personally advising on possible methodic solutions.
It's a sort of project planning basically.

And before coding we should understand what we want to achieve.

[jovial schooner]

I can try to answer that part!

Basically, OP wants the new app to obtain the actually useful functions on both the Vital Bracelet Lab APP and the VB APP, getting rid of the shitty designs, and add more features onto it, such as new store items

I've never used the Vital Bracelet Lab, so I don't know what kinds of features are on there, but I will assume OP wants to keep Adventure Mode, probably online battles as well, and NFC transfers. And of course, codex will be one of the features, I forgot to add that

Hope this helps!

[raven shadow]

Yes but my comment was a step further, like "how do you want to implement the advenutre mode?".
It's not a question that of course we can answer now, but we have to gather data and ideas on order to reply.

[jovial schooner]

Oh... yeah that's a good one and well... As always, I'm the wrong person to ask Things happen when your abilities lie somehwere else

[raven shadow]

I mean if the results of the advenutre mode are X, who cares what the original function is doing until the user got X?

(and don't cause misfunctions of course)

[jovial schooner]

What's an X? Just curious

[raven shadow]

A proper result

[jovial schooner]

OH OH, yes I understand now

[raven shadow]

Let's say that the result should be "5".

Who cares if the function is doing 3+2 or 2+3 unless this is not impactful on other stuff?

[jovial schooner]

Ahhhhh alright, thanks for explaining

[raven shadow]

I even believe that the original code was pretty much simple

After all it was a kids toy that had to be sold for 3 years and then retired.
Probably was an app comissioned to someone without a very deep meaning.

[jovial schooner]

Well... Bandai is Bandai

[raven shadow]

Here in Japan there are a lot of toys made with that mind.
One month ago I came into this "home console" of Anpanman that was basically driving on a street where the olayer got commands like wheel and break or such.
I never saw that abroad. And that product in that form is not sold any more since years (it has the component cable still).
Just electronic toys made to be sold in a limited time without a proper future plan, we are better than that 🙂

Probably MAME team might be interested in it 🤣

[jovial schooner]

Lollllllllll

[finite ermine]

Mostly facepalms and maybe a chuckle or two.

[devout pagoda]

Your literally talking about a preschool education game console.The short term use and creation of such is not unique to Japan. Leap frog being prominent members in that.
https://www.japantrendshop.com/anpanman-lets-go-driving-game-p-2661.html

[tiny grove]

just a tip, you might want to make use of an organization system, I'm seeing a lot of ideas that make no sense when the application literally doesn't even exist. I have managed projects before at university and I have my own projects too, you should have a ticketing system with what to do, what is being done, what has been done and what cannot be done for now, something like this. Trello is a good place to start, and you will definitely want to start with the bare minimum for an application to work, not start thinking of crazy ideas when you don't even have an UI concept

Also important to have public documentation, everyone who participates needs to know what has been done and how, important also to underline what can be improved/what is not clear during research, so other people can jump in and fix it/suggest changes

Communication is also important, you don't want two people doing the same thing with no idea of what is doing the other one

[modest lantern]

Ok so that's another important thing

[frozen ridge]

Guys, this is my favorite thread ever in this server, I cannot describe how much joy I get from reading you, keep it up!

[frozen ridge]

don´t worry too much about that, metaldev, brainstorming is crucial in the first steps, you´re doing great

[modest lantern]

No I do need to make a plan

I have a team

It's not just me

[frozen ridge]

that´s the spirit

[modest lantern]

I've started

[strange cradle]

SHINKA!

@modest lantern has evolved into Perfect!

[modest lantern]

YES

[modest lantern]

I finished the plan

[unborn wing]

That doesn't look so much like a plan as a UI outline. It is missing so much detail

[torpid onyx]

We need more

[spark crypt]

I'm so glad this project exists

[clear creek]

...man, i gotta see this

[iron olive]

Before menus and tamer rank and whatnot, you really need to figure out the basics like NFC communication, and Digimon transfer.

[modest lantern]

Then this project won't be worked on until August

[unborn wing]

I don't think anyone's in a hurry. If you don't have foundations, you're not going to have a product even past August

[torpid onyx]

So you’re gonna have to build those foundations up

You have to do your research in our building from there. How does the device work? Is it any more documentation that I can access and so on so forth?

And also, I would recommend using android

Since iOS is locked down

[torpid onyx]

https://gist.github.com/cfogrady/55ac7df5663d5dd411f78b717ecc72c0

[tiny grove]

are you also going to release the transcieve commands for the VB/BE too once it's all over? or is that for us to find?

[tiny grove]

nfc on android is very easy from what i have gathered, but it's not really to leave for last minute either

[unborn wing]

Transceiver is standard, refer to the tag's datasheet

[tiny grove]

oh ok, i thought you'd have to send a specific command, sorry, i haven't gone through the datasheets properly

[strange hawk]

It's not NFC that's hard. It's figuring out the data format for communication with the device and ways to get around device security.

Mostly legal ways (gray zone areas at worst)

[tiny grove]

ask the user to import the vb arena apk and then extract the codes from there? but as cyanic has said multiple times, the codes are not stored in the apk, soo

[strange hawk]

That will probably change in August when it goes offline

[tiny grove]

oh in that case it's a matter of figuring out a way to open the file, find the code within it, then ask the user to import the apk into it, make the app verify the app with a known good checksum and then grab the codes from there

as in, store the offset where the code is stored, the app might have to extract the apk itself to reach the il2cpp binary and then find the codes from there

[torpid onyx]

It’s pretty much we are hackers and we’re trying to figure out how to access a device

And I just started learning how the program and I am fairly limited naturally

[tiny grove]

I already have a base myself, so far I can read, but I was confused about writing

[torpid onyx]

Started last night actually I’m don’t have to attitude to code

[modest lantern]

I am now in the delivery window!

[modest lantern]

mine has arrived!

[modest lantern]

Side project that should help me get this working
https://canary.discord.com/channels/761581682686951455/1261010471247417454

[modest lantern]

hmmm

[tiny grove]

if you are reusing the scripts from the app be careful

that's not clean room reverse engineering and you can get in trouble with bandai

[modest lantern]

im not

im going to use them to see how it works

as a source of learning

[unborn wing]

You're not going to get scripts anyway because they've been processed through il2cpp

[modest lantern]

idk how to use NFC with unity the way the VB Arena app does it

[modest lantern]

im not trying to

[iron olive]

Why are you using Unity?

[modest lantern]

its the game engine im used to

[iron olive]

Kinda seems like overkill for a simple application.

[modest lantern]

you do know this isnt just a digimon storage app

right?

[tiny grove]

whatever works

[iron olive]

I do, and it doesn't make it less overkill imo.

[tiny grove]

^ that's true, i was able to do it in javascriptwith vpets

[modest lantern]

true, but i like game engines, i dont really like making it with just programming without some sort of interface

the only time im fine with that is with pygame

but i dont think that could export to android

[grave flax]

Let him be, if he has done something right so far is choosing a platform he is comfortable with, if he wants to work in Unity so be it, im doing a small app in my free time and its in Unreal which is in another league of overkilling for a stupid app, but im using it to learn other stuff on the process

[tiny grove]

Yeah, as long as it works

[tidal glade]

There is definitely good reason to want to avoid something as large as Unity or Unreal for an app of this scope

Mainly being that it will choke it

Just like how the current app is choked

[grave flax]

What does it even matter on a personal project he is doing for fun, really, i get that he can be annoying sometimes but some of you really like to poke him more than its deserved, let him try to do whatever he wants, same as im doing my stupid app in Unreal because i use it in my daily work and i want to try stuff on it even if it will choke most phones out there. These are personal projects people are doing for fun, for free, on their free time, there is no point in telling him to learn something else.

[clear creek]

really doesn't feel like anyone's riffing on him this time but yeah

[tidal glade]

That's not what their intention is here

This is an attempt to make a collaboratively built application for the entire community, not just a personal tool for their own use

[grave flax]

Its still his personal project, with people that might want to help him or not, he is not in charge on developing the next big app for the entire community, people will be free to use it or not once he is done, if he is done someday at all.

[tidal glade]

That is exactly his goal

To make the next big app for the entire community

And at the very least to help someone who is new to this, it's improtant to call attention to potential areas for improvement

[grave flax]

I swear some of you are really worse than the kid he is, its just amazing.

[tidal glade]

Also no one here is saying that they "must" not use unity, just pointing out why it may not be the best option in this case

There's nothing wrong with suggesting things for a project that was from the start presented as being collaborative, and if anything it would be worse to me for people with helpful suggestions and criticism to stay silent. Better to help set someone up for success

[clear creek]

actually the more i really look at the concepts, it really does seem like a bit much

[clear creek]

also like, really?

[tiny grove]

i don't agree, i have also done projects that are used by the community, and it is pretty standard practice to point out what is better and what is worse, trust me when you don't want a decision you took early now repercutes your entire project until this day (cough making my own javascript framework cough)

i wish i had someone point me out back when my project was starting on what was better to do and what not to do

now i have to deal with the bs that is rewriting your own codebase every 3 weeks

[tidal glade]

You and me both

[tiny grove]

i have code fragments that looks like a hadouken (as defined by a tech youtuber)

maintaining that is a pain, now i'm amidst rewriting a lot of things again

[tidal glade]

It's mostly databases for me. I've created a much nicer framework for myself for generating charts, but my old database structure is entirely incompitable with it

I still need to port everything over to the new structure, which is an annoying amount of work

[tiny grove]

my database is not that bad, the issue is things like these

things i wrote in the heat of the moment that now i look at them and see myself, what was i doing?

so yeah, i don't see this as a negative pushback, more like as a "here is what happened to us while writing our projects, please don't make the same mistakes as us"

[unborn wing]

My two cents is someone who just obtained a VB is not qualified to be making something on this scale. There's not really a requirements document, just a vague list of features that don't cover all the necessary use cases.

[modest lantern]

No humulos is right

It is my/our goal to make the next big app for the community

And I'm actually finding their feedback on the (not really) "plans" that I've shared so far really helpful!

One of my biggest problems is unity makes you pay to have a team of developers, that's why I'm the one doing the development

[tiny grove]

last time i tried developing a game i ended up throwing the towel, unity was pain to transfer a project between my friend and i

[modest lantern]

And I have the creator of vitalwear helping me

[modest lantern]

Yeah, I'm used to indie game dev anyway

When I'm a part of a team i just end up quitting cuz if you think I'm gonna be able to transfer a whole unity project over Discord with just Discord then you're crazy

[tiny grove]

you use git for that

and even then unity decided to ignore git for that in exchange of their system

[modest lantern]

Wow unity sucks (as a company, not game engine)

[strange hawk]

They do... one of my reasons for avoiding it. I also didn't care for my one experience trying it out. But that was like a decade ago, so my complaints towards it may have been fixed by now.

I've been looking at Gadot for my own future projects, but I jump all around... Jetpack multiplatform, android native, PWA...

Vital Wear pretty much had to be native, because as far as I'm aware, there are no multiplatform frameworks that target WearOS at the moment... Or if there are, they are small and niche.

[digital plinth]

Constructive criticism or simply recommendations founded on experience and knowledge are always a good thing in my opinion
And i'm gonna be honest
Havent been here for long but the digimon community feels like one of the most chill places to be in
And that's from someone that usually just annoys about everyone (I'm not doing it consciously)
And even i, who doesn't know anything about electronics, was receiving help in the middle of crashing a discussion

[digital plinth]

Kinda unrelated but i think i remember lixian saying in one of his recent projects he'd switch from unit, to unreal
Cant exactly remember the reason for it but
Yeah...

[modest lantern]

I mean, I like unity though! And I can't seem to learn another game engine easily 😭

[modest lantern]

Exactly! (I know I'm the one being helped here but I still know what constructive criticism is)

[digital plinth]

oh i'm also not dunking on unity or any game engine in general i severely lack the knowledge for that
i'm just saying i know a few people that dont wanna use unity for different reasons and i can understand that certain programs can be absolute overkill for certain applications
if you can work fine with it, thats good to hear and i'm always happy seeing people enjoy what theyre doing XD
but if unity has the same problem as unreal where your project is bigger than needed (tho in lixians case he forgot to remove assets iirc and his project was way bigger than he assumed it would be) then maybe its not necessarily something for smaller projects i guess?
idk

[tiny grove]

yopu should probably learn a run of the mill programming language, like kotlin

as it is designed for application development if you feel like doing that in the future

[modest lantern]

Hm?

[unborn wing]

Are you just pulling the schema from the app?

I'm not sure I've seen subtype used with anything

[modest lantern]

I'm just saying it could be useful (without using any of the previous words)

[modest lantern]

I used logcat on my phone while transferring my bulkmon to the app, do you think i got some useful info?

[unborn wing]

No. Last I checked it doesn't log much of interest

[modest lantern]

i saw it get some sort of code related to nfc

so im not sure what that was

it also gave a code

(im surprised that its not an error code)

[tiny grove]

that's the nxp service, you aren't getting anything

[modest lantern]

oh

this was one of them

7-13 14:48:51.728 4091 5477 I libnfc_nci: [INFO:NativeNfcManager.cpp(886)] nfaConnectionCallback: NFA_DATA_EVT: status = 0x0, len = 16

[modest lantern]

Don't mind me just reviving the project vital chat!

[iron olive]

Same, they made us use Unity in college (over a decade ago) after we had already created several games from scratch, and I was like "I am not enjoying this experience..." 😅 But I also prefered C++ over like Java and stuff because of the level of control the lower level gives you that you just don't get especially with things like Unity.

[strange hawk]

I used to feel that way... Wrote my own Isometric engine in C++ in college because I wanted a diablo like game that could also have a vertical component... Now-a-days, I tend to Java because I can just get so much more done in it so much more quickly... Some of that is experience and knowing the libraries... some of that is not having to worry about manual memory management and namespaces and good tooling for adding 3rd party libraries... C++ development may have also improved since I last used it.

Also some of the boiler plate in C++... sepaate header files... copy constructors... etc... it is more control... but I'd rather move fast on development at this point.

[iron olive]

Yeah I definitely agree with that. Most of my work (as in professional) right now is Java and Python because it's just so much easier and quicker to stand something up.

As much as people hate in Java, it is one of the most used languages for a reason. 😂

[modest lantern]

chat revival

[slim glade]

How's it going?

[modest lantern]

Nice

Project vital development start date is coming up

[modest lantern]

Bandai is building it in unity so through means I'm not going to share getting the codes Is the easy part for me!

[tiny grove]

You mean ghidra and il2cpp extractor?

[modest lantern]

Nope!

I'm getting into the internal files!

Could get any asset!

[tiny grove]

👀

[modest lantern]

Any package!

Anything!

[modest lantern]

Imma use a modified asset ripper to extract scenes aswell

[tiny grove]

Extracting the APK doesn't get you very far if you mean that

[modest lantern]

Basically bringing it back to a state of right before the update was built

[modest lantern]

I use unity

I even have the version used!

[unborn wing]

Getting the assets but not the behavior doesn't help that much

You can try to create skeletons from the il2cpp metadata, but without any of the actual code you're not going to figure out exactly how things work

[late hamlet]

Im not well versed in how discord works but i assume theres a message somewhere about what project vital is? Im very curious!

[modest lantern]

Asset ripper also rips scripts, since when did I say it didnt? In unity scripts are assets

[unborn wing]

Unity scripts are compiled on build

Hence il2cpp

[torpid onyx]

Hum

🤔

How much more can we decompile to get to that base code?

We have acids already

We have beer bones already

Their files, invisible to the compiler in the different format

question when did you get to that level

[torpid onyx]

If you already got that level, that means the other part are deeper in

You need to know what you’re looking for also

[modest lantern]

Well It calls itself an asset ripper but the modifications I've applied turns it into a decompiler

[modest lantern]

I alr did it a few days ago

I still need to wait for the update though

[unborn wing]

It still doesn't give you the original scripts and it'll take significant efforts to actually reverse engineer the decompilation results into usable code

[modest lantern]

Either way we can't directly use the scripts because Bandai pulled a "I'm smart! I just don't show it in my work!" And copyrighted THE FUCKING SCRIPT

[unborn wing]

I'm saying it's probably harder than you think it is

[modest lantern]

The most I can do is study them and closely replicate them without entirely copying it to prevent further copyright problems (I alr have enough of those)

[unborn wing]

TBH you can't really do that if you're looking at the decompilation. What you'd have to do is observe the behavior only and try to figure out what it's doing from that

[torpid onyx]

Yes

[strange hawk]

An effort to build a replacement app for the Vital Bracelet line now that VB is end of life. At the moment, it's mostly ideas. I think some real progress may start being made later this month after the last app update when offline functionality is expected.

[strange hawk]

Clean room way, would be one of us decompiles and documents behavior and the others create a new implementation based on behavior. I think it's also generally accepted that you can document and then implement from documentation without referring back to source, but that's harder to demonstrate that you didn't copy at all.

[late hamlet]

Much appreciated! In that case im gonna follow this channel closely, since my digilympics thing relies on some sort of arena, it’ll be great to know first hand when one becomes available!

Good luck to everyone on the project, we’re rooting for you!!

[modest lantern]

Thx for the help!

[vocal siren]

Gave +1 Digi-rep to @unborn wing (current: #2 - 408)

[modest lantern]

I just thought of something

Part of the codes are stored on the bracelet itself

If I could possibly get my hands on a dev or rooted/jailbroken vb I may be able to monitor what codes are being given and received

Or

Just crack the vb code or a DIM bin

[tiny grove]

If you want to get the NFC data, why not start by looking at cyanic's project that emulated the vb tag using a flipper zero

That's how I got my NFC reading on my test app working somewhat satisfactory

I still have so many questions about the NFC tag used by the VB, but I haven't bothered to keep researching after getting the bant block decoded

If I get some more time I'll keep researching a bit more, but for now I'm not that interested in the VB

[strange hawk]

They are, in ROM. If you know how to dump the ROM, and decompile, you can get the keys. That's how Cyanic has them. And one of the ways I thought might make sense for getting them. Easier to have users do on a BE than a VB though, because the BE can use custom firmware to provide the keys.
Two assumptions on my part:

1. NFC password is in ROM instead of a separate ROM that's part of the NFC chip set
2. AES key is in ROM or can be easily generated once password is known.

[strange hawk]

That's also what I did for my DIM card validation in VitalWear

[modest lantern]

Chat revivinator

[clear creek]

maybe could update with something actually useful instead of bumping for no good reason

[unborn wing]

Yeah, there's nothing to actually discuss if there are no tangible updates

[strange hawk]

Nothing to discuss in my mind until the app update. Then we'll see what's there

[modest lantern]

unless....

no i dont think i could do that, bandai isnt that stupid

and even if i could

i wouldnt know where the codes are

(im talking about extracting the BE firmware)

[tiny grove]

You'd still have to be careful about those codes

[modest lantern]

according to UK copyright law they're not copyrighted, im not sure what applies though, im british but bandai is japanese, so would it be japanese copyright law or uk?

[tiny grove]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

Way back when AACS was introduced, the decryption key for it was copyrighted material

They key used for decryption is considered also property of bandai

[modest lantern]

yes, so using bruteforcing or other means of getting the key is illegal, but i know that the app code is not encrypted, so if you are talking about the codes themself then i/we can always play around to see which is which, and just use the encrypted... nvm while writing this sentence i realised the problem with using the encrypted codes directly...

being the device will most likely refuse them

[tiny grove]

Bruteforcing the code is also not a thing to consider either, it's a very computationally complicated task, and once you know the math behind the statistics behind it, you realize that it's unfeasible due to time required

Best way to do it is to let the user insert them

Either by importing the original APK and then working through that, or importing a copy of the firmware

[modest lantern]

good point

[strange hawk]

This exactly is how I planned on it in my mind. Tools for the user to extract the key and a prompt for the user to input the key into our app.

[fresh junco]

I would love to help with this project in any way I can. My coding skill is limited to basic Python, so I don’t think it will help much for a phone app. I do, however, have experience with graphics and graphic design and can possibly help on the assets/GUI side of things. I have a basic way of tracking my finished evolution routes through a layout I made on Keynote. When I have the time, I’ll upload what I have onto a new project posting and link it as it could be helpful for this project.

[modest lantern]

Development Starts Soon Probably (Depends if they delay the update again)

[modest lantern]

just realised that firmware importing make it worse because VBE is the only firmware that can be gotten easily

vital hero and VB OG prob need disassembally to aquire

but then doing both is an option

actually no

that would be unnecessary

so the only option thats necessary is importing APK

[strange hawk]

Unless you're an iOS user. 😂
But even then getting hands on the APK is probably easier to do for more people than running customized firmware to dump data.

[modest lantern]

Yeah if u use ios and you wanna use pjvt then sucks to suck

[tiny grove]

i have just given up on iOS and macOS at this point for my projects

[modest lantern]

lol

same

[slim glade]

Anything new since the arena update?

[strange hawk]

Nothing... It'll still take a bit, and I'm out of town right now, so I'm not looking at anything until tomorrow night at the absolute earliest, but more likely in the coming weeks for me.

[modest lantern]

I've ripped the apk

[clear creek]

feel anyone could do that even without root

[strange cradle]

@clear creek has leveled up! (50 ➜ 51)

[tiny grove]

I patched the VB arena APK so that it allows data backup

[clear creek]

now that’s something, just ripping an apk doesn’t really mean anything in itself is all

[unborn wing]

Let's see if OP can figure out the NFC stuff, or if he's just full of steam

[tame stratus]

[idle lodge]

Maybe the best would be to gather the vital bracelet features on Vital Arena. Then WE could modify everything?

[iron olive]

Data backup in what way?

[tiny grove]

You can back up the Android APK data and export it to another phone

And I keep forgetting to create the script

[iron olive]

Please do that 'cause I might need a new phone soon. 😂

[unborn wing]

It wouldn't help you currently because to modify that you'd have to resign the APK, and you don't have Bandai's key

[iron olive]

You would need to modify it to just transfer it to a new phone?

[unborn wing]

Yes

[iron olive]

Well someone ping me if we figure out how to transfer data between phones. 😭

[modest lantern]

It's unity so all I'm gonna say is bepinex

It's mainly used with gtag

But it works with anything unity

[unborn wing]

Don't think that's available for Android

[modest lantern]

Good point

Then lemon loader

That is for android

[unborn wing]

Depends on whether it requires root. Looks like it's mostly for Quest, which may have a different security model

I'm probably going to get the interface for downloading the save data from Bandai's servers going this weekend or something, so people can reload the data when someone eventually makes a way to import

[modest lantern]

i have root either way

[unborn wing]

Not everyone else does. You're making something for other people, not just yourself

[torpid onyx]

Hello

It’s been a while

How is everybody doing?

[steady aurora]

Is this ever going to be a thing?

[strange hawk]

I believe so... but I think the timeline is very questionable as to how long it takes to become a thing

[modest lantern]

also got to do p1xosn0w but that isnt vpet thats iPod nano 6/7th gen

[grand cliff]

Can we now enter the data of Dim be?

[tiny grove]

i don't think anything has been developed

[dense lava]

I thought the project was abandoned

[steady aurora]

Its dead folks. It was just a dream.

[grand cliff]

Now you can also discuss the information of dim be.

[unborn wing]

Not much to discuss aside from OTP signing

[strange hawk]

👷

[tiny grove]

🚧

[modest lantern]

Its not dead, but due to my hundreds of other projects not to mention MMV5 which has a deadline 6 months away, right now CFOGrady is basically carrying the whole project

[tiny grove]

Sneak peek of the new work in #1325936394207625267

[modest lantern]

Huh

You aren’t failing lol you have cfogrady

Yall will succeed

[modest lantern]

Once i have some time cleared up i’ll work on making a unity implementation (not to mention i only just got my meds)

[tiny grove]

we are both building the app on the android sdk

[modest lantern]

I(m) (will be) building it in unity so i can later add iOS support

[unborn wing]

Well I mean you have the benefit of being able to reference working code rather than speculating