#Ban cheaters

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winged fog
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at least 2 accounts were investigated and deemed alt accounts qualified for worlds. Its great to see illuvium do the work and take action this sends a positive message but its not complete without also banning the main accounts

Now the message illuvium sends to the players is that you can try to cheat the system and you will only be told, no please dont do this we will remove your smurf account

This is our world event we spent hundreds of thousands on and plan to show the world. We need to be serious and now allow cheaters to get away with it

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charred canopy
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We disqualified the accounts where we had clear and sufficient evidence of multi-accounting during the Final Call event. These accounts triggered multiple independent indicators that met our internal criteria for suspicious activity.

At the same time, we did not ban players who had qualified throughout the IPL tournaments unless there was enough proof to justify it. We have to apply our guidelines consistently, and we can only take action when the evidence meets the threshold for a fair and defensible disqualification.

We reviewed all cases carefully, and this is the final outcome based on the evidence available. Thanks for understanding.

winged fog
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For example, one of the bad actor admitted being tied to the alt account by inventing that its his wife that created an illuvium and discord account the day before the tournament

This alone is enough evidence for the alt and main account as the guy admits being tied to it

How can you ban the alt and not the main? whats the difference?

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@charred canopy you also IP check them

you literally have same proof for both alt and main

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even if the wife was real (which we all know no one has a wife that plays her first game and crush experienced players (even pro TFT cant do it on their first games)) its still clear that playing with multiple accounts under the same ip is against the rule

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cc: <@&814435151307866142> you gotta do something about this

granite hornet
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totally agree ban smurf but not ban main acc is literally unclear move

clear pebble
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I'll just leave this here...

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clear pebble
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I have no idea why you guys think you can cheat now but ok...

granite hornet
winged fog
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light harness
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we already had a case where both Whity's main and sub account played for ranked reward been banned for one week, i see no reason the ban is only for sub account

granite hornet
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I'm very upset... Fatal fail decision... By this u literally allow players break rules.. If you say players cant why cant? Why some players are not punished spme players will be punished? How are these players selected?

Who wants to play the game where rulesbreakers are not punished except RULESBREAKERS? Yes guys. No one.

I strongly recommend reconsidering this decision. It will greatly damage the reputation of the project both from its own community and from external people...

real loom
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so you're saying that player X can smurf and still keep playing on their main account?

teal field
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It's okay that there are few of us and it would be nice if there were more of us, but these people are just poisoning our small team...

icy mortar
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I agree the main account of smurfs needs to be punished to, but we need to have patience.. me and my nephew almost got banned by mistake
He played in his account in my pc when his pc is broken
But the biggest difference of real smurfs and normal players is: real players can prove they are not smurfs
Me and my nephew for example, we can play with video in discord and we keep the same performance..
The smurf in last call and his wife cant do this.. probabily they dont have ranked games simultaneously to and etc

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I think we need to use ip, and another methods.. after that, ask "suspects" to prove they are not smurfs.. and after that ban alts and main accounts if are smurfs

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Anyway, the illuvium team are listening the community, and this is really good..

winged fog
wary dust
# clear pebble I have no idea why you guys think you can cheat now but ok...

The point is if you don’t get punished when you cheat, it shows you have nothing to lose trying to cheat, so it kinda creates a situation where cheating/smurfing is the best play because best case scenario you get 2 accounts qualified, worst case scenario you’re caught but get away with it and still get to play your main

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It creates a system where it’s in your best interest to smurf even if it’s technically not allowed because you have nothing to lose and everything to gain

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It’s just bad publicity, doesn’t look good for an esport scene that wants to appear professional 😊

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winged fog
# clear pebble The thing is guys, this is not as black and white as you make it seem. Everyone ...

I cant grasp that logic filo. It is exactly the same thing and same evidence required the way i see it

So just to make things perfectly clear. We have some people that are real good players (qualified via IPL themselves)

Like amateur cheaters they created a new account in game and on discord the day before the last call event and pretend its their brother, uncle or wife

As we all know its impossible for a new account to beat experience players (even the pro TFT we have in here werent good enough on their first game played to qualify in such an event)

And so because 1) its literally impossible that its true that a wife or whatever was the 2nd account on the same IP + 2) the accounts were made the day before = This was your evidence to ban the fake alt accounts

Thats great but like everyone is saying here this is absurb because its not the fake wife that needs a consequence its the real cheater. Who cares if he qualified his main account legitly before?

Youve seen the arena chat and messages here, this is literally saying you can cheat the system and get away for free

wet cloak
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Being that this is the biggest stage we have. There should be no leniency here. An example should be made.

If you don't want to ban both accounts this time, that's fine but any future events there should be absolutely no mercy!

winged fog
frank zenith
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winged fog
# frank zenith yea should be in the future a big warning that if ant two accounts are under the...

Yea thats a good point because the IP thing alone is a bad rule

I know at least 4 pairs or family members that were/are 100% legitimate both real good players and playing under the same roof

We talked about this a couple years back before some rules were written about it. It is very hard and costly to track abusers and they will most always be one step ahead anyway

But when amateurs obviously cheat the system like they did now and we have proof then its the minimum to ban them all and send a message

Again, otherwise we set a precedent of allowing abusers

icy mortar
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Sorry.. i didnt see u say the "ip thing ALONE".. so i totally agree 😄

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# clear pebble I'll just leave this here...

our ToS is clear that multi-accounting is allowed as long as they are played 24 hours apart. we had a sitting council member encouraging the use of smurfs to slingshot the leaderboard.
not sure why the smurf is banned in this case unless there is a spesific IPL rule that overrides the ToS?

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granite hornet
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wary dust
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What you could also do then if smurfing is encouraged is play a smurf, qualify the smurf, then sell the spot to someone. And you risk nothing doing so. That's a good look 😂

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charred canopy
granite hornet
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it's just an excuse for your own weakness and fear

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granite hornet
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it is what it is thats all I can say

will see how u change the rules in next season if you wont it will be even more funnier

charred canopy
# granite hornet well ye I got it... it can make sense but it doesnt change anything. It just me...

I can agree that the Final Call event introduced a security risk that won’t be repeated.

The fact of the matter is: there is no definitive proof when it comes to multi-accounting. If people are smart, they use VPNs, double webcams—whatever. This system is easy to cheat. Even KYC can be cheated; you can register your sister and play for her while she sits on webcam playing Stardew Valley.

As long as it’s not an in-person tournament, there is no way for us to guarantee that someone is who they claim to be.

That being said, I think we got lucky overall. With high confidence, I can say that all 64 players in the World Finals are real, unique individuals who have consistently proven themselves over the 4-month season. And we were able to remove all suspicious fresh accounts that overperformed in the Final Call event.

So while I would still call this a success overall, I won’t deny that the Final Call event introduced security risks on our side—and that online tournaments in general come with inherent risks because of the nature of the internet.

Every single esports title, from Hearthstone to Counter-Strike, deals with these same issues, by the way.

I think the best solution to all of this—and something that could actually become a strong selling point for blockchain and Illuvium—is that Leviathan solves many of these problems.

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frank zenith
fresh storm
# winged fog at least 2 accounts were investigated and deemed alt accounts qualified for worl...

Disqualifying cheaters from tournaments should be good enough because banning main accounts might discourage investors, many of us thought crypto or cryptocollectibles are decentralized and no one can take your assets away from you or stop you from doing anything you want with them. That was why Vitalik Buterin created Ethereum because his World of War Craft account was banned after he invested alot of money and hours playing the game.

hollow sun
# fresh storm Disqualifying cheaters from tournaments should be good enough because banning ma...

Cheaters, when identified, should definitely be perma banned on the spot in any gaming environment, especially competitive ones.

This is a dumb logic for web2 competitive games because it ruins the fair nature of competition. It is even dumber in web3 because ontop of that you also have rewards with monetary value.

For someone to abuse the system like this, it means they are taking away from someone else's accomplishment. And the more it's allowed and encouraged, the more it's going to happen. Especially in web3 environment. Does that sound like a healthy place people would like to invest their time and money into?

Just because you "own" something, doesn't mean you can do whatever. That's not how anything works for a reason

fresh storm
# hollow sun Cheaters, when identified, should definitely be perma banned on the spot in any ...

Maybe that's why crypto games now these days are not popular that was what happened to axie infinity too when they started banning so many accounts but I would suggest if there will be another big tournament events, Devs and councils should give all qualified players free flights accommodations to attend tournaments so they can play in person and will have a great experience playing the game with media interviews and live news etc .

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hollow sun
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I don't think we are yet in a position to fly people around the world. The budget for tickets, accomodations, food, visas and other expenses will be higher than the prize pool itself