#Improving the quality of Illuvium tournaments

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rough ingot
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Hello everyone. I’ve participated in a large number of different Illuvium tournaments, so I have practical, hands-on experience with them. I know how a player feels when they win, when they lose, when something is unfair, and when things are disorganized.
I thought for a long time about whether to start this discussion, because it will be an open critique of respected people. But I realized we can’t turn a blind eye to the problems. If you need someone to go against the system, go ahead and throw tomatoes at me.

  1. All tournaments must have strict rules for bracket creation / reshuffles.
    How is it now?
    If you land in a strong lobby, you have to complain that the world is unfair. Ideally, other players will back you up. Then you’ll pressure the tournament organizers to do you a favor — and they’ll do a reshuffle.
    How it should be?
    There should be strict reshuffle rules from the start. If you get placed in a lobby against seven Sl1ckz, play quietly. Save the whining for yourself. A bad random draw is your problem. Yours alone.

  2. Rules for lateness. I won’t point fingers, but many remember how, at one of the major tournaments a few months ago, a player was nearly 40 minutes late. And everyone waited for him. Watched the screen, drank tea, went to the bathroom. Everyone did their own thing — because you had to wait for an authoritative person.
    If you are late by 1 second after the tournament start, you are removed from the tournament. Your spot is taken by the next player by qualification points.

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  1. A note for the Illuvium team — don’t organize a tournament if you don’t have prize funds in the balance ready for distribution. How should the process work?
    Step 1. Funds are reserved for the tournament.
    Step 2. The tournament is announced.
    Step 3. Within a few hours the money is transferred to the players.
    How not to do it?
    “Soon, wait.” That’s an unserious approach.

  2. A note for the super-authoritative people. If you write something like “beat me and get 1 ILV,” please allocate those funds immediately after the games, not after numerous requests and about a month of waiting. That’s also an unserious approach.

I used to think these were just shortcomings that would be fixed after a short time. No. I see the same thing month after month.
If progress and development require someone to stir up dirt and discontent to get things moving, then this time let it be me.

cinder oar
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I have no idea who was waited for or who got to reshuffle but what you suggest sounds fair.

rough ingot
# cinder oar I have no idea who was waited for or who got to reshuffle but what you suggest s...

Hello! I don’t want to point fingers at everyone (except for point number 4).
And this isn’t just about yesterday’s tournament. Similar things have happened in other tournaments as well.
The point of my message isn’t to argue with these people.
It’s to get the organizers/administrators/council to acknowledge the issues and work on fixing them.
I don’t want to fight. I want to draw attention to the problem, solve it with those whose job it is, and then, together, provide players with a better tournament experience.

cinder oar
foggy lynx
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Hey @rough ingot its always good to speak about issues, thank you for making this thread and for all the previous times youve done so 🍯

Heres my personal take on those point

  1. I can totally how it seems this way. It actually often happens and always feels wrong. I will say though that imo the problem isnt about rules and reshuffling but more about the initial rule and organization

This happened so often and i think we all mostly agree that the idea real way to seed is with IPL points from the get go and then snake seeding in each following rounds. No one could argue against this

The problem is that our tournament platform initally relies on the old lb rankings (not accurate anymore) + doesnt have snake seeding (i think?) and the site is dependant on one individual who has been on paternal leave for the past weeks

It may seem unfair when lobbies reshuffle when we are in the soft lobby but i think its more unfair when the initial seeding is wrong/has an error and some people find themselves in a lobby sometimes even 50% stronger than others

In any case i think the way to go forward regarding this is agree on real good seeding, then put it in the rules and never change unless theres an error and its to be as it was initially supposed to be

  1. Yesterdays tournament was delayed for 45-50 mins because it was hosted on an external platform for the first time and there was many issues. Having to register on the sites delayed things a lot because waitlist people had to create account. Then the most important issue that caused delay was that they didnt plan to make lobby codes

It just so happened that slickz had a time change before and mixed his time. He was super late for the tournament and arrived like 5 minutes before the organizers finally fixed the issues. They didnt wait for slickz and if there was 33 participants i have no doubts they would have replaced him at the minute the tournament shouldve started with the guy on the waitlist it just happened that there was no waitlist (even missing participants) and he arrived before

  1. Completely agree. Dont know if you talk about the no fund tournament &/or the fact that weve been waiting 1 month+ for our last tournament finale money but i agree with both

It felt really bad to have the overall prize pool cut in half for leviathan and specifically that qualifiers dont have any prize in them. I personally wont play the other qualifiers as i made finale in the first one and im sure some others will do the same

I appreciate the efforts the organizers did yesterday, i know it wasnt easy and i dont want to point fingers at them

But i believe for future guild events like this it should be overseen by @stiff vector (tournament guy from Labs) and also always be on our own illuvilitycs platform

rough ingot
# foggy lynx Hey <@397808037865193474> its always good to speak about issues, thank you for m...

Hi, thank you for the feedback.

Regarding the 40-minute delay — I’m not talking about yesterday’s tournament or Sl1ckz. I’m referring to a different case.

A few months ago, the organization Polemos held a major Leviathan tournament. Caveman was the administrator of that tournament. You were almost 40 minutes late because you were at work.

I understand that Caveman is very loyal to the Hype guild, as he is practically a member. And you are the guild leader and owner of one of the best Leviathan decks.

We actually waited for you for nearly 40 minutes. I didn’t make a fuss at the time because there was no point in arguing — both the tournament administrator, the late participant, and most of the players were loyal to you. It wouldn’t have led to anything. I swallowed that disrespect and stayed silent. Yes, you are the leader of the most developed guild in Illuvium, a Council member, Caveman’s friend,|| a billionaire, philanthropist, and playboy.|| But it was still inappropriate.

Today, however, I realized that while time has passed, the chaos and disorder in tournaments remain. Tournaments should be impartial. Even if Kieran Warwick or Donald Trump were late to a tournament, they should be disqualified.

P.S. Let’s set emotions aside and think constructively. The goal of this discussion is not to argue with anyone but to go against the system to bring tournaments in order. Previously, I tried to maintain a reputation as someone who overlooks such situations — but that didn’t lead to anything.

foggy lynx
# rough ingot Hi, thank you for the feedback. Regarding the 40-minute delay — I’m not talking...

Oh ahaha you were refering to this 😄

I wouldnt have want anyone to wait 40 mins for me, i cant understand it must have feel this way but heres how me i remember it

Tournament was X day and the finale was the day after. 2 days in advance they changed it so that the finale would be on the same day but i didnt know this

So i did the tournament and then had to go work immediately. About 15 minutes later (organizing the finale or idk what) people realized i was missing so they started to reach out and i told them that i didnt know finale was today but as they didnt start yet im just 10 minutes away from home and can come play. it took them about 5 minutes to decide if they go first game without me or replace me, etc but they ended up saying ok come in its just 10 minutes

rough ingot
# foggy lynx Oh ahaha you were refering to this 😄 I wouldnt have want anyone to wait 40 mi...

Could you clarify why you weren’t disqualified?
In many tournaments I’ve seen, players who are even slightly late get disqualified. But that didn’t happen with you.

The truth is, as of today, Illuvium tournaments lack order, fairness, and strict rules. What we have instead is chaos, anarchy, and the influence of specific individuals.

Right now, you are a Council member and have a direct influence on the competitive Gauntlet. Please take action to ensure that future tournaments (and there will be many) are conducted strictly and impartially.

foggy lynx
# rough ingot Could you clarify why you weren’t disqualified? In many tournaments I’ve seen, p...

I think this was a touchy situation for the organizers because i wasnt late so to say, i played all the tournament but just went away for the finals after because of miscommunication

Right now, you are a Council member and have a direct influence on the competitive Gauntlet. Please take action to ensure that future tournaments (and there will be many) are conducted strictly and impartially.
Im trying as i can my friend. Ive tried to influence as much as i can the tournament scene with the intial tournament group and now continue to do so by writting and supporting threads like this one.

For that particular situation you were refering too i can totally see how overall it felt like a special treatment but from the way i lived it it really didnt feel like it. I also wouldve been ok with their decision of replacing me for the first match or totally replace me if that what they went for

Anyway like you said its not about particular situation but just the overall of it. I and everyone agrees that we want everyone as fair as possible and well organized

I pinged paz with my initial message in here to give the feedback that he should oversee guild tournaments so that things like this dont happen and stay consistent with the strong standards we are trying to build for illuviums competitive scene

stiff vector
# rough ingot Hello everyone. I’ve participated in a large number of different Illuvium tourna...

I think it’s important to be more specific and call out the exact tournaments that you felt were lacking in the points mentioned above. If you feel more comfortable sharing that in private messages, please feel free — my ears and DMs are always open to feedback of any kind.

From reading your post and the comments, it seems like you’re mostly referring to the Leviathan tournaments hosted by guilds, e.g. Polemos, Tempest, and OLA.

I can definitely accept responsibility for faults in the Tempest tournament series, where I was actively involved in planning and helping organize it, and to some extent also with the OLA tournament, although my involvement there was mostly on the sidelines.

For the sake of clarity, I also want to mention that in both the Tempest and OLA tournaments, the organizers didn’t wait for anyone and didn’t reshuffle because people complained. The seeding method used was either random, snake draft or based on leaderboard points.

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The Leviathan tournaments are not organized by the IPL team.

With the IPL, our focus has always been on having clearly defined rules and enforcing them strictly. We’ve never waited for any specific player — our rule for replacements was lenient at the start of the season and became stricter tournament by tournament. A deadline has to be a deadline when 64 players are involved, but we wanted to give some leeway early on for people to adjust.
Replacing players even as late as one minute past the deadline is, in my opinion, a feature, not a bug.

One issue we are aware of — though it’s due to technical limitations with the tournament platform — is seeding. Ideally, we would seed via IPL points, but currently, we seed via leaderboard ranking. While not perfect, I’m sure you can appreciate that this rule has been consistent from the start and executed flawlessly.
As for seeding after the initial round, we began the season with the “lobby1+2, lobby3+4” structure and later improved it to snake seeding, making it more balanced and fair. This was clearly communicated and strictly enforced without deviation.

We have never once changed the rules out of bias or reshuffled lobbies because someone thought a seed was unfair. While our method isn’t perfect, it has always been consistent.

rough ingot
stiff vector
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My main point here is that saying things like “the chaos and disorder in tournaments remain” and generalizing that to all tournaments is an unfair misrepresentation of the IPL events, which — all things considered, including technical difficulties — have consistently been executed and organized at a very professional level.

From what I can tell, most of your concerns seem to stem from the Polemos tournament and, to a smaller extent, from the other Leviathan tournaments rather than the IPL events. I just wanted to make that clear.
That said, this is our first season, and naturally, there are bound to be mistakes and things that go wrong. We genuinely appreciate when people call us out or share feedback — it’s crucial for us to keep improving.

elfin hatch
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And I dont see something about rewards delaying for Tempest final. Just interesting why IPL tournaments dont have delays but levi tournament has. I know that IPL money already ready but idk almost month is gone. Honestly dont remember any delays in rewards except rewards from Kieran for example like winnie said (win me win 1 ilv or something else from him) maybe levi prizepool is his deal too?

stiff vector
# elfin hatch And I dont see something about rewards delaying for Tempest final. Just interest...

I think this is mostly due to multiple layers of security regarding anything monetary. There are multiple signatures needed for the multi-sig transactions and sometimes some of these people could be out of office for various reasons for example.
In general it has been getting better and faster from my experience.

Another reason why Leviathan tournaments could take longer to be paid out is that here the Team needs to either collect and double check data themselves or wait until the third party has done it. With the IPL this process has been streamlined a lot over the weeks and usually can happen very fast without friction.

elfin hatch
stiff vector
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