#Illuvium Beyond – Wave Winner Illuvitars (power)

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mystic sigil
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Hello Beyondino’s,

After the distribution of the Wave 4 Winner Illuvitars, a small debate was unleashed.
Totally because we (me) messed up while overseeing and putting together the Wave Winner Illuvitars.
So now, others will have to fix it. (sorry)

The problem:

There’s a power difference between the Wave 3 Winner Illuvitars and the Wave 4 Winner Illuvitars.
The difference is due to some having accessories and some not… as well as a slightly different selection of Tier/Stage combinations.

All in all, this skews power ratings — and so I want to propose a forced Power Rating for these special portraits.

It would become the following across both waves:

First – 8888

**Top 5 **– 7777

**Top 10 **– 6666 (Top 10 is unique to Wave 4)

**Top 25 **– 5555

**Top 50 **– 4444

**Top 100 **– 3333

**Top 250 **– 2222 (Top 250 is unique to Wave 4)

This levels it out across the waves and could become the standard for Wave 5 and possibly future sale leaderboards that use a similar system.

But this isn’t the only thing we want to change.

We want to make your place on the leaderboard a memorable thing.
Giving you access to a special collection in the Album that acts as a plaque of your accomplishment —
Unique to YOUR Album!

Inside this collection, it will show all Wave Winner Illuvitars — and if you own them, you can sleeve them.

If you’ve traded them off, you’ll still have the memory of reaching that place — but you won’t be able to sleeve them anymore.

This will be unique ONLY to those who reached the glory on the leaderboard.
Buying a Winner Illuvitar will not open up this special collection to you.

See the Placeholder art

This is the proposed change coming “likely” at the release of Wave 5.
(Yes… sorry, some more patience is needed.)
But at least now you have a concrete idea to look forward to until it’s here.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

I’m happy to hear your thoughts and ideas.

Cheers!
Rogier

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nocturne solar
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From what i read in the beyond chat it looks like those powers isnt high enough even to use in your album if you are a top player

Also there is a debate about linear scaling or not. For anything thats competitive rewards i dont think it makes sense to have the same jump from each spot like proposed here

Its like if we were to put out 100-90-80-70-60-50$ etc to leaderboard or tournaments in gauntlet

Im not a beyond expert but from what i read this morning in beyond chat i think it would make sense to have a non-linear scaling which also results in slightly higher power for the spots up top

mystic sigil
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wind quartz
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I love the addition to the album. Will be really good to see all of our past placements and trophy cards.
That being said I still can't get behind assigning arbitrary numbers to the illuitars themselves.
Fair enough if that's the way everyone wants to go, but I could never support that.

wind quartz
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Thinking about it, I do remember that it was mentioned that if we/the community were unhappy with anything from past waves that changes would be implemented for the next wave and that we would never change anything retroactively, therefore even if the necessary support was achieved should a proposal be put forward, the changes would then usually be implemented for the next wave, not a past wave.

Why is this being disregarded?

mystic sigil
# wind quartz Thinking about it, I do remember that it was mentioned that if we/the community ...

Having thought about this thing more and more - i'm not sure how to solve this so everyone can be happy about it.
But i think many were upset about the power for the illuvitars of the being too low and they wouldnt be a first pick illuvitar for their album use.

However - this complaint was there without knowing of a plaque collection to be added - i wonder if the opinion changes knowing this will come into existence.

vital garden
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I also think we shouldn't be changing things retroactively. What's done is done and is part of Illuvium's story.

Sure maybe the combination of accessories used on wave 4 reward illuvitars was too weak compared to the previous wave.

But then again, that's only a problem because players are not being able to sleeve and showcase the reward illuvitars in their album.

I think the plaque collection addition solves this perfectly.

wind quartz
gaunt summit
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@wind quartz You are just one person out of thousands. Realize this and understand! Don't play God because it's getting boring.

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@mystic sigil If this malicious person makes such suggestions, then on behalf of everyone, I ask that phosphorus also be 6000 power

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I wonder what his opinion would be then

gaunt summit
# vital garden I also think we shouldn't be changing things retroactively. What's done is done ...

I like you my friend but now you are talking lightly.... Rogier clearly said that a mistake was made and only the 100x zoom gold pho has real power. If a mistake was made, we can't just accept that it happened and we have to move on....the top 5 players invested a lot of money in wave... me too, 30-40 thousand euros. Do you think it's fair that phosphorus gets more power than adorius but Sear gets less than rhamphite?

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How can we invite new players into the project if we can't even appreciate those who are already here?

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I absolutely do not support this pointless and unfair idea.

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I'm sure Ratty, Cola, and spacelover don't support it either.

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even the top 10 doesn't support it, and neither does the top 25

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@mystic sigil Rogier I trust you because you are a fair guy. I will talk to everyone from the top 25 to give their opinion here.

wind quartz
gaunt summit
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let's see what other people suggest...

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I hope the will of the majority and truth will prevail.

wind quartz
gaunt summit
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I think you'll be happy with the 8400 power phosphorus.

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If it were 6300 power, you would be the first to ask for the change.

formal silo
# vital garden I also think we shouldn't be changing things retroactively. What's done is done ...

There are too many things in Illuvium's history that have undermined the trust of the community. If it's possible to make this right then it should be done so. I'd rather not look back at Illuvium's story and see all the places player's got fucked. How bout making it part of Illuvium's story that things were made right?

This is a relatively minor fix in the grand scope of things. Making it right will build trust in the player base and that is worth more than gold.

gaunt summit
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It was also changed afterwards that the wave3 gold illuvitars didn't fit in the sleeve. And I could list a million things that were changed afterwards. There is plenty of precedent for that. in Beyond and in OW too

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A lot of people sell everything and leave the project.This is not happening by chance.There are a million mistakes and we don't even want to fix them. We ruin what's good, we don't fix what's bad... interesting

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If I were playing with game chips I wouldn't be interested. But everyone invests their real money from real life. That's why people should be respected and valued!

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With such irresponsible and unfair decisions, it’s easy to lose people’s trust!

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I’m done. I’ll wait until the others share their opinions

cedar gazelle
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Actually, i am against of not doing change for wave 4 here. Basically, we should have confirmed the reward illuvitars and their power from the beginning of the wave which didn't happen and all of us again assumed that it would be in the similar range as wave 3 but it turned out to be less and clearly it was not expected.

I still think that they should align the power of wave 4 illuvitars with the standard and use them going forward.

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prime swallow
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Hey! I came 21st in wave 4. I think rogier's idea is a very good and I support it. I completely agree with spacelover, ratty and hektor.

I don't think it's fair that we got useless reward illuvitars and I was very disappointed. We spent a lot of money and time trying to get to the top of the leaderboard, mainly because of the reward illuvitars.

When I saw the reward illuvitars powers are very week I sold my reward lynx, but when I saw that the points would be improved, I bought another one.

If phosphorus is stronger than Adorius then the other illuvitars should be adjusted accordingly because it's not fair that it's stronger than in wave3.

gaunt summit
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surreal kiln
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surreal kiln
gaunt summit
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Although I’m used to the fact that we never deal with the real problem, but rather with how I phrase things

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I would be most happy if everything were so transparent and fair that I wouldn't even have to speak up.

surreal kiln
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wind quartz
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Cheers @surreal kiln . Good to see someone step up.

formal silo
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I wish BAW was ready... we could have to two giants settle their differences in an epic battle

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Aside from the distraction...

Please fix power on the Illuvitars. It's a small ask but will go far with players.

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formal silo
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For example...

It doesnt make sense to give the top 250, 50, 25 illuvitars higher power than their normal counterparts as adding 25-250 higher power illuvitars than their normal counterpart would dilute too much... as we saw with the Gold blunder.

Really only top 10, 5 and 1 should have higher power than their normal counterparts as they would meet a rarity threshold.

This is just off the top of my head... so maybe 25 could be included in that also... but each illuvitar would need categorical review.

wind quartz
# formal silo For example... It doesnt make sense to give the top 250, 50, 25 illuvitars high...

but each illuvitar would need categorical review.

I would prefer something like this myself ideally, but maybe the reason linear figures are being suggested is due to the team not having the time to allocate that process just now (speculative).

I suppose if the majority of players ultimately aren't that bothered about going linear and want this implemented for wave 4, linear may have to be the compromise to make it happen, possibly.
It's just with that, if we go linear now, for continuity, we will likely stay linear.
Maybe for set 2 though there could be changes.

formal silo
thick vault
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aint no way top 25 got u a 2700 power lynx and it remains this way

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wind quartz
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In light of recent "events" shall we say, I would just like to say that if my opinions on this matter are making the process of finding a resolution any more difficult, then please feel free to totally disregard them. I will be happy to go ahead with whatever the team/community deems reasonable.
Hopefully without the additional friction a resolution can be more forthcoming and we can move on from this topic Atlas_Love .

formal silo
# wind quartz In light of recent "events" shall we say, I would just like to say that if my op...

I like to hear all sides as long as things are respectful. Your opinion matters as well as everyone else. I hope u keep sharing.

There’s no need for personal attacks when sharing different points of view. And I haven’t heard you be disrespectful to anyone… so I’d hope you keep saying what’s true for u.

Mods can moderate. Let’s be ourselves and let the mods do the moderating. Self moderation is no fun.

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Sounds like they are going to fix this power issue so that’s cool.

wind quartz
# formal silo I like to hear all sides as long as things are respectful. Your opinion matters ...

It was something that Johnny mentioned really that motivated me to write that.
I am solely referring to this particular topic as I would like to continue trying to contribute moving forward.
I do enjoy the people, the discussions and even the disagreements when respectful and I would like to think that they have contributed to making Beyond a better place, even if only minorly.

Like I say though, if bowing out of this one can make it any easier on the team to find a resolution here, i'm happy to do it. It's been a crazy one and they have a tough enough task trying to please everyone as it is.

mystic sigil
# wind quartz It was something that Johnny mentioned really that motivated me to write that. I...

The reason for the thread is to hear peoples opinions and peoples ideas - We/I can come up with something with my view and my angles, clearly not always possible to see something from all sides and find the perfect solution. So any/all feedback is valuable in weighing what steps to take moving forward.

Not just your opinions and thoughts - but everyones.. A community effort to find a solution, improve and move foreward!

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shadow sleet
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Good morning everyone, I haven't written in months. The same situation arose at the end of wave 3 because #6 received the same prize as #25. Several feedback sessions were opened, but none led to anything concrete. Everyone told me I was wrong, but no one wanted to mint a new Illuvitars for the top 10 on the leaderboard, with the excuse that this problem would be solved in wave 4. This "wise decision" to change only for the next wave didn't bring anything useful to the community, but only caused others like me to invest the bare minimum in wave 4. Now I fully agree with Hektor. If the "prize" is wrong or its strength isn't adequate, I don't understand why this isn't fixed immediately? Why are we waiting for others to leave Illuvium? What works better: a happy community or a frustrated one?

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In conclusion, I am in favor of this proposal.

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sorry for my english

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Another thing, I don't understand why every time someone expresses their opinion, contrary to others, they get banned. This isn't a good thing; everyone should feel free to say what they want, always respectfully, especially if what they say is aimed at improving the current system. That way, we grow, not by blocking our thoughts.

surreal kiln
shadow sleet
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I'm happy about that, but it seems to me that Hector is currently blocked

formal silo
shadow sleet
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The problem is that people invest money here, no one has anything personal against anyone, but you feel frustrated when you see those in your same boat rowing in a different direction than you. I think Hector didn't mean to disrespect anyone. His reasoning is logical and shared by many. Fortunately, we all think differently. But blocking someone and denying them the ability to write and explain themselves is never the best solution in my opinion. That way, you only make people more nervous.

formal silo
# shadow sleet The problem is that people invest money here, no one has anything personal again...

It is possible that you overlooked the personal attacks... there are plenty instances above and in Beyond chat from previous dates.

Hektor is a friend. I can can say in full confidence he has said personally attackig things about Alexa. Rather than speculate, just go dm Hektor and ask what his true feelings are. I'd rather see Hektor be at peace and communicate his ideas without the personal attacks.

I was around during the toxic Zero days... trust bro, we don't want that.

random fox
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I completely agree that Hektor overshot the mark. He probably knows that. But what Filow and Alexa suggested, that the power of the reward illuvitars should be changed only from wave 5, wasn't nice either. Rogier said that he was wrong about the powers and despite that, two people are suggesting that it shouldn't be changed. I know that Hektor spent a lot of money in this wave. Not everyone wants to finish in the top 5 in every wave. He didn't put it nicely, but on some level his outrage is understandable.

In wave 3, many people were unhappy with the Jokull reward, now there is another bug and despite this, there are still people who don't want the bug to be fixed. If I had spent that much money, I wouldn't like a proposal that was against my interests either.

vital garden
random fox
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If the final decision will be higher Illuvitar's power

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formal silo
mystic sigil
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Yup!

thick vault
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An announcement should of been made immediatly after the realization of the power mess up and the possibility of their power being changed. its not fair for those people who earned those rewards to think those will be their forever power leading them to sell them in frustration when they could be boosted in the future. Im sure most people wouldnt of sold them knowing they were getting upgraded eventually.

shadow sleet
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for me the logic is simple, if the phosphorus is gold at 8,400 power now the first 5 should have a T5 holo figure (as in wave 3) of 7,500 power, the first 10 the sear holo at 6,600 the first 25 artace holo at 5,700 and so on... colored floralynx at 4,800 etc..

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this would be a fair proportion, considering that the top 10 in wave 3 received the same jokull as #25.

formal silo
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So I fed ai the dilemma we are facing and gave it details... I tend to agree with the ranges it is giving back:

**If a normal accessorized build is hitting 8.3k, then reward T5S3 = 8418 is just not rewarding enough.
Aka should be higher...

This would make the top rewards truly special and probably incentivize more leaderboard competition while also respecting the 10k cap. Some people may not like this as it increases the power of the top reward. But guys... it's a 1 of 1. Meaning it SHOULD be special and high power.

The curve would be better non linear, instead exponential like this:

T5: S1 ~7,400 | S2 ~8,000 | S3 ~8,800
T4: S1 ~6,200 | S2 ~6,900 | S3 ~7,700 (T4S3 > T5S1 by ~300)
T3: S1 ~4,800 | S2 ~5,600 | S3 ~6,500 (T3S3 > T4S1)
T2: S1 ~3,500 | S2 ~4,200 | S3 ~5,100 (T2S3 > T3S1)
T1: S1 ~2,300 | S2 ~3,000 | S3 ~3,800 (T1S3 > T2S1)
T0: S1 ~1,150 | S2 ~1,400 | S3 ~1,800

formal silo
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Here's some other details to help qualify the numbers:

How far off current rewards are (quick deltas on known points)

T5S3 8418 → 8800 (+4.5%)
T5S2 6637 → 8000 (+20.5%)
T4S3 5428 → 7700 (+41.9%)
T4S2 4756 → 6900 (+45.1%)
T3S2 4686 → 5600 (+19.5%)
T2S3 2714 → 5100 (+87.9%)
T1S1 1921 → 2300 (+19.7%)
T0S3 1739 → 1800 (+3.5%)

Sanity vs your “normal + accessories” examples
T5S1 (normals w/ T4S3 BG + top acc) ~8365 < T5S3 reward 8800 ✅
T4S3 (normals w/ T2S1 BG + high acc) ~7427 < T4S3 reward 7700 ✅

shadow sleet
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I had made a different proportion starting from n. 1 with power at 8,400, but your proportion raising n. 1 to 8,800 is more correct, I think we should keep these numbers for wave 5 too so that no one can complain or be disappointed, the only surprise will be the character chosen.

formal silo
shadow sleet
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No friend, this is not correct for me. In wave 3, in position 7, I took Jokull at 6,900, like No. 25... and now in wave 4, in position 10, Artace at 6,500? That is, with less power than what No. 25 took in wave 3? This is not correct!!! No. 5 in wave 3 took a T5 s2, now in wave 4 a T4 s3? This proportion is wrong... your reasoning is correct, but poorly applied...

shadow sleet
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Who is this proportion for? Up to number 5 in wave 5?

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for me you only have to correct wave 4, if you also want to correct wave 3 you have to insert the prize for n 6 at n 10

formal silo
# shadow sleet No friend, this is not correct for me. In wave 3, in position 7, I took Jokull a...

The choices for Illuvitars was different from W3 to W4
The Idea was to expand rewards to the top 250 for w4
Unfortunately the top rewards were not consistently chosen and therefore places are inconsistent
So we have to decide, do we reward places? Or do we give Illuvitars more accurate power value?
I prefer to give Illuvitars more accurate power value as it stays true to the product rather than assigning value based on LB positions.

Apples and Oranges though... I'm just providing one possible solution.

Why don't we gather 3-4 different possible power solutions and put it up to the community for a vote?

shadow sleet
# formal silo The choices for Illuvitars was different from W3 to W4 The Idea was to expand re...

Why can't we decide both? Both the LB positions and correct the power ratings? In my opinion, those who invested in wave 4 thinking of getting into the top 5 by watching wave 3 thought they would get a T5, so the first correction is this to avoid creating inequalities, then the second is to increase the power ratings like w3. This way more people will be happy and there will be a greater battle in w5 because whoever gets into the top 5 will know they will receive a T5 with 8,000 power or a T5 at 7,500 if the power of the number 1 is not increased to 8,800. Lastly, it must be considered that nothing wrong is being done, they are trying to reward their best players appropriately or like in wave 3.

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then if we want to apply these changes also in wave 3 we need to insert the prize for the first 10 of wave 3, otherwise we only correct wave 4 and the following ones

formal silo
shadow sleet
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the fourth option could be to change LB and powers only for wave 4 and future waves

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I'm curious to know what other players think

cedar gazelle
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I agree with any solution that gives fair value to the wave winners. I dont have a problem if they need to change w3/w4 illuvitars to give the standard valuation as long as community supports it

formal silo
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So far we have:

A) Rogier's (converted to tiers)
T5S3 - 8888, T5S2 - ?, T4S3 - 7777, T3S3 – 6666, T2S3 - 4444, T1S1 - 3333, T0S3 - 2222
Clarification @mystic sigil ... would you change W3 and W4 top 5 to 7777?

B)Ratty's
T5S3 - 8800, T5S2 - 8000, T4S3 - 7700, T3S3 – 6500, T2S3 - 5100, T1S1 - 2300, T0S3 - 1800

C) @shadow sleet? Still not sure what your proposed numbers are could you list them out like the two above?

D) @cedar gazelle you wanna add a power combo here?

cedar gazelle
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I dont have any specific ask for power as long as we are align based on standard. But it needs to change to higher power as compare to what has been given in w4 specifically and also if possible adjust wave3 if its not fair

formal silo
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shadow sleet
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C) If only wave 4 changes:
pos. 1 T5 S3 pt 8,400
pos. 5 T5 S2 pt 7,500
pos. 10 T4 S3 pt 6,600
pos. 25 T3 S3 pt 5,700 etc.

C2) If we change wave 3 and wave 4:
pos. 1 T5 S3 pt 8,800
pos. 5 T5 S3 pt 8,000
pos. 10 T4 S3 pt 7,700
pos. 25 T3 S3 pt 6,500

This is my suggestion. Ratty, can you include it? Thanks, friend.

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C) Let's use the same proportions as wave 3 and add T5 s2 for position 5.
C2) Let's give more value to rewards and do the same for w3, w4, and future ones, so that we all know what we're fighting for.

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C2 in wave 3 a prize must be added for position 10 (t4 s3) and in wave 4 a prize for position 5 (t5 s2)

formal silo
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Ok so:

A) Rogier's (only w4?)
T5S3 - 8888, T5S2 - ?, T4S3 - 7777, T3S3 – 6666, T2S3 - 4444, T1S1 - 3333, T0S3 - 2222

B / w3-4) Ratty's
T5S3 - 8800, T5S2 - 8000, T4S3 - 7700, T3S3 – 6500, T2S3 - 5100, T1S1 - 2300, T0S3 - 1800

C /only w4) Micsign's
T5S3 - 8400, T5S2 - 7500, T4S3 - 6600, T3S3 – 5700, T2S3 onward like how?

D / w3-4) Micsign's
T5S3 - 8800, T5S2 - 8000, T4S3 - 7700, T3S3 – 6500, T2S3 onward like how?

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For simplicity we can call these A B C D

formal silo
cedar gazelle
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I like option B if its possible to do for the both waves

shadow sleet
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Ok so:

A) Rogier's (only w4?)
T5S3 - 8888, T5S2 - ?, T4S3 - 7777, T3S3 – 6666, T2S3 - 4444, T1S1 - 3333, T0S3 - 2222

B / w3-4) Ratty's
T5S3 - 8800, T5S2 - 8000, T4S3 - 7700, T3S3 – 6500, T2S3 - 5100, T1S1 - 2300, T0S3 - 1800

C /only w4) Micsign's
T5S3 - 8400, T5S2 - 7500, T4S3 - 6600, T3S3 – 5700, T2S3 - 4800, T1S1 - 3000, T0S3 - 2200

D / w3-4) Micsign's
T5S3 - 8800, T5S2 - 8000, T4S3 - 7700, T3S3 – 6500, T2S3 - 5100, T1S1 - 3200, T0S3 - 2300

shadow sleet
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formal silo
# shadow sleet yes, it could be fine for me too, but it must be clearly specified that to do th...

I’m not sure I agree with changing wave 3 other than power. The art team isn’t going to make new art as I of this deal as rogier has alluded to above. It sounds like changing power is already a pain in the ass but they wanna make things right and have committed to a power change.

I’d suggest we don’t even consider any such additional art as it sounds like a dead horse.

Instead, let’s focus on reasonable power changes.

Personally I don’t really care about w3 changing… I’d be fine if only w4 were changed. Would make the teams job easier and would have the most positive impact for us.

So I’m going to revise my idea to only consider w4

willow panther
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Yes, even for me I like proposal B ...

shadow sleet
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I see only talk about power changes, but the main error to correct is the ground and the expression, which for correctness should be equal to w3.

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I've only seen mention of power changes, but the main issue that needs fixing is the land and expression, which should be equal to w3 for correctness. Considering the skill and abilities of the people on the Illuvium team, I don't think it's difficult for them to create one or two special figures.

formal silo
# shadow sleet I've only seen mention of power changes, but the main issue that needs fixing is...

Personally, it doesn't matter to me if it's T5S2 or T4S3 as along as there is a close proximity of power.

Asking the team to make more art and change the actual reward art now that they have been distributed does not seem like a good practice. We all knew what the rewards were going to be ahead of time. Retroactively changing the art and reward structure would set a bad precedence... especially for future issues.

I think the srtucture is fine as is and just changing power to acceptible levels is the best path forward.

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If we take my example where T5S2 is 8000 and T4S3 is 7700... sounds like you dont like that big of a difference.
Would it make it better if they were closer? So T5s2 at 7900 and T4S3 at 7800?

This would require power changes to both W3 and W4 but at least will make all tiers and stages clear in terms of power relationship going forward... and also make the top 5 reward power very close for both w3 and w4... easier going forward as well because top 5 could still be t5s2 or t4s3 in the future

shadow sleet
# formal silo If we take my example where T5S2 is 8000 and T4S3 is 7700... sounds like you don...

For me, the power levels should be the same as those of W3, as should the reward. If the top 5 in wave 3 received a T5S2, the top 5 in wave 4 should also receive a T5S2 with the same power as W3, and the same goes for future waves. For me, a T5S2 has a higher value than a T4S3.
Then, if you want to increase the power of W3, it should be the same for W4 and future waves. So, the higher the power, the more players will invest to get a unique and rewarding reward.

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P.S. I should be the first to oppose any change, because for W3 you were all convinced that nothing should be changed so as not to set precedents. Now, however, I would like to change the powers and figures for future waves, so that no one is left unhappy or frustrated.

formal silo
# shadow sleet For me, the power levels should be the same as those of W3, as should the reward...

I hear that. But if we look at the T5S2 in W3 it's only power 6637. It should really be more than that for a T5S2.
Maybe we are saying the same thing. T5S2 should be increased. But T4S3 is good too, just not quite as much. But can't we make it close and call it good? So W3 T5S2 = 7900 and W4 T4S3 = 7800.

I know you value T5S2 more than T4S3... but they chose Sear for W4 top 5. I don't really think we should make them redraw art and make T5S2 for W4. But we can make the power of T4S3 close right? I don't really care if its T4S3 or T5S2 for top 5 as long as the power is similar. You know? Tbh, I'd prefer a Jotun over a Phorus yk yk...just sayin.

shadow sleet
# formal silo I hear that. But if we look at the T5S2 in W3 it's only power 6637. It should re...

I'd always prefer a T5s2 to a T4s3, but that's just my opinion. In fact, I say we should make a T5s2 for the top 5 and a T4s3 use it for the top 10 in the rankings, and an Artace for the top 25.... Now, if it's not possible to mint a T5s2, we need to revise the power ratings in the proposal because this way, for the top 10, a 6,500 Artace is too far from a T5s2 or a T4s3 at 7,900 power.
This way, the top 10 are always the least rewarded. In wave 3, they got nothing, and in wave 4, they got a card that wasn't very special. So, if these are the power ratings for future waves, I highly doubt players will invest and fight for a T3s3 with 6,500 power, when they could make a stronger holo with good accessories.

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moreover we are talking about an artace, a monarch would have been different

formal silo
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I'd rather not spend much more time on this

I laid out the power changes I think are reasonable and fair. Any change they do to help out reward power levels are much appreciated.

I also am glad we could come up with some constructive ideas.

@mystic sigil maybe you can give some thoughts on how things can find a resolution. Would be good for people to have something tangible to look forward to.

thick vault
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Yup gotta set something in stone

mystic sigil
# formal silo I'd rather not spend much more time on this I laid out the power changes I thin...

Yup! I think its fair to say we should try to follow up on the examples you set up, they are more balanced from what i fabricated 😄
And more in line with the sort of game-power-scaling we are used to.

Will put it out here for you all to 'Thumb up' or 'red alert' - but in principle, unless there's a major outside argument given that didnt yet come up, i think we should be setting it up the following for WAVE 3 & 4 reward illuvitars!

Something you could agree/disagree with is the fact that for the top5 illuvitars, i synced their power , eventho 1 is a Tier 4 and the other a Tier 5.
And linking it a bit more towards leaderboard position=reward instead. I hope u can all live with that. But feel free to let me know what you think.

Wave 4 Illuvitars

Top 1 - Golden Phosphorus - 8800 power
Top 5 - Holo Sear - 7700 power
Top 10 - Holo Artace - 6500 power
Top 25 - Flora Lynx - 5100 power
Top 50 - Tatopee - 2300 power
Tio 250 - Nature Attippo - 1800 power

Wave 3 Illuvitars

Top 1 - Golden Adorius - 8800 power
Top 5 - Holo Ramphyte - 7700 power
Top 25 - Polar Bear - 6500 power

Please thumb this up or shoot this down - if most can agree to the changes we'll lock it in before Monday. Then on the next possible moment we can alter it, we will.

shadow sleet
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I don't think it's fair. This way, No. 6 to No. 10 are always the least rewarded. In wave 3, the prize is the same as No. 25, and in wave 4, a figure with such power that it's not worth investing in.
A new prize should have been added for the top 5, so a T5S2 like W3.
But this is just my opinion, and I doubt there will be a fight for the top 10 in the future.

thick vault
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There was no top 10 rewards in wave 3 and we cant change that now, so that makes no sense

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And ppl dont invest for the reward illuvitars, they invest for the final wave snapshot. This is the most logical thing we can do based on the past wave and waves moving forward

proven vector
formal silo
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In this way, the top 10 in wave 3 received a T4 prize of 6,500 power, as did the 25th, and in wave 4 a T3 prize of 6,500. Basically, the top 10 were not rewarded, but the prize for the 25th was lowered. If these are the bases for wave 5 and future waves, I strongly doubt that players will invest more.

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I'm not surprised if the best players go elsewhere.... I vote against and I think like Alexa that the changes should be for the next waves and not for the closed ones so as not to create precedents (like in W3)

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this is right, then if there was an error in the assignment of power in wave 4 we are not the ones who have to vote, we just have to correct it, we can discuss the basis for w5 and future ones

shadow sleet
thick vault
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Wave 3 was bearable, wave 4 was atrocious and needs to be changed because its clearly way off

cedar gazelle
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@hushed dagger @mystic sigil ,
I did order my claimed gshock watches and plate on 28th aug but there is no updates after that.

Whom should i reach out to?

mystic sigil
cedar gazelle
mystic sigil
cedar gazelle
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Where do i find support link? I am lost actually

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Oh and sorry about posting message here. I didn't realise that this is feedback idea group

surreal kiln
cedar gazelle
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I think i tried that and that popup was not allowing me to type on the input fields in mobile. I didn't try yet on desktop but will try soon

formal silo
# shadow sleet I don't think it's fair. This way, No. 6 to No. 10 are always the least rewarded...

I understand it is not perfect... but providing a perfect solution in this cas is not realistic. Therefore it is a compromise the rectify previous waves in as best was as realistic. It is definitely better than current... that is certain. And will set a threshold for future waves... and allow team to consider those thresholds going forward.

These will instantly have more utility and value with the power changes. I am looking forward. Also, there are more reasons to reach leaderboard than just these reward Illuvitars - Weekly and Wave End ILV are a big factor. These are the extra incentive. Hopefully you can see the positive even though it's not perfect.

shadow sleet
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This is a palliative, not a solution. If these are the foundations for future waves, I strongly doubt there will be a fight for the top 10 spots, because this way the top 10 won't be rewarded, but the top 25 will be harmed. I invested in Illuvium before Wave 1, I believed in Illuvium before Beyond was launched, so what I'm writing isn't for personal gain, but in the hope that the best is always done to bring in new players. So, for me, this choice isn't the best today, and it won't do any good in the future. But that's just my opinion.

formal silo
uncut canyon
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@mystic sigil Back to the original post here. I like the idea of plaque to show wich position you placed in each wave.
I think it would also be cool to see streaks such as:
Top 100 streak: Longest 67 weeks, current 3 weeks
Top 50...Top 10...
Maybe even some sort of bonus fuel for reaching certain steak amounts. It would keep players more on top of things. Top 100 10-week streak earns you 1k fuel or something like that.