When the new devs took inspiration from Genshin Impact, I was a bit worried.

[radiant glen]

With way more exciting and innovative games like Azur Promilia on the horizon — a mix of Pokémon, Palworld, Wuthering Waves, and more — it’s disappointing to see them follow a tired formula.
I really hope the devs are paying attention to the real competition, because Azur Promilia looks seriously promising.

https://youtu.be/c3VdbqfTz7k

Edit1:
It seems that more competition is coming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbcABWrOHUQ

Edit2:

Channels with more than 1million susbcriber+ are covering Aniimo. I'll share the gameplay video if you want to see it: https://youtu.be/si4a7k1WR_Y

[supple gull]

Appreciate the share, didn't know about this one

But there's def some Genshin inspiration here as well

[swift cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/blush-anime-shy-cute-girl-gif-14495627569314612221

[viscid wraith]

one thing I hope we don't follow from these games is the insane visual clutter they all have. I can already imagine doing a 10-20 man raid/boss fight and the screen being constantly flashing all over.

[stiff star]

10-20 man raid...yeah in your dreams

[viscid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/man-can-dream-though-futurama-gif-18420563

[rich fractal]

Genshin is the goat

the attached footage looks exactly like genshin

i still dnt understand why genshin doesnt have pvp, is the target market really that soft

[supple gull]

genshin impact devs probably smart enough to realize the ROI for pvp players isnt there

[rich fractal]

why is that? and why they dnt have cutscene skip button

ngl im getting sick of listening to paimon

[supple gull]

you dont have to nail every cohort of player, sticking to your niche and doing it well is a good strategy. Likely little overlap between their current audience and ARPG PVP fans, but I don't have access to their control room

[stiff star]

genshin is a monster, we want really compare anything to that?

[supple gull]

The fact they're a monster and not trying to build up a pvp playerbase is the telling part

[viscid wraith]

would be nice to know from these metrics how many of them are bots.

[stiff star]

@viscid wraith my friend..just look at the revenue

I doubt any bot uses credit cards

[viscid wraith]

I'm not denying that there's revenue and player spending. What I'm saying is regarding those numbers. Bots farm the game and sell accounts.

[stiff star]

it s secondary market and sadly my wife was addicted to it...can assure you..bots or not..that game is a money blackhole for the players. Most of them are really hypnotized with the "rolls" and the banners. @supple gull their playerbase don t litterally give a f bout pvp, they re another kind of gamers. I was only a bit shocked we are worried to emulate a game with huge revenue. We should be an IBG ecosystem and that genre fit perfectly our universe.

My comment was bout comparing (I am good wen we talk bout bringing ideas from it tho)

and i mentioned you but was for Jag

[quartz void]

Asmongold was talking about this last week in regards to MMOs and PvP but I think it still applies here. You generally do 1 of 2 things with PvP in a non-PvP centric game:

1. You make PvP mandatory and turn off the majority of your PvE audience in doing that.

2. You make it optional but for most games that have done this, it's been a voiced waste of development in the end because of either low player turn out or balancing nightmares.

PvP players play PvP games like LoL. Mixing modes of games together usually doesn't work out well most of the time.

[supple gull]

Yep both of those sound terrible

Which games do you reckon have the best trend in terms of marketshare? PvP or PvE games?

Given the trend of indie and AA and those tend to not touch PvP for obvious reasons (minimum playerbase, forced into live service) vs the downtrend of AAA, I'd argue for PvE, but might be chicken and egg story

[viscid wraith]

don't MMOs usually always have both PVP and PVE?

[quartz void]

I would say PvE too but probably not by a wide margin.

[quartz void]

They do but PvP modes have failed to become popular because most PvE players don't like to PvP. Mainly because it goes against the nature of an MMO in it's origin. MMOs are meant to bring players together on journeys, not split them apart against each other.

[supple gull]

A lot tend to focus either PvE or PvP, either from the get go or release with both and see which one makes most sense

[quartz void]

It always plays out the same in the multiple PvP MMOs i have played. You have 2 or 3 big guilds that control the server and it just becomes a horrible experience if you aren't in those guilds. Also becomes boring being in the guild after you have the best gear.

[viscid wraith]

sure, but we can also have both in a non intrusive way. Like have a PVE focused game and then have batlegrounds/arenas for players to PVP.

[quartz void]

We have a PvP mode in Arena. I don't think we need another one imo.

[viscid wraith]

PVP is infinite content. PVE needs to be constantly releasing new stuff to keep it exciting. That's the main difference IMO.

[viscid wraith]

and are you really saying that because we have a PVP auto battler we don't need a PVP action combat game? O.o

[quartz void]

Any live service game has to do that or it dies.

[quartz void]

I'm saying with the limited focus we have now no

[viscid wraith]

ah, I think they're only planning to add PVP on a later phase, but don't quote me on this.

[quartz void]

Quote the IMC member! 🤣🤣

[radiant glen]

While the game features an anime-style aesthetic, its gameplay is on a completely different level from Genshin Impact. As someone who’s played Genshin for over two years, Wuthering Waves for more than a year, and Zenless Zone Zero for a few months, I can confidently say this game has the potential to be the next big hit—not just in terms of gameplay and animation, but also with its unique mix of creature collecting and ‘waifu’ gathering. Honestly, I have serious doubts that Illuvium can keep up with what this game is bringing to the table.

[radiant glen]

As you rightly said, the revenue from those games mainly comes from banners—players like me are drawn to pulling for cute or cool-looking characters. Unfortunately for Illuvium, the Rangers aren’t really marketable in the same way.

[radiant glen]

it seems we got more competition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbcABWrOHUQ

[half vine]

Insane amount of gameplay and mediocre characters.. Gameplay and only gameplay will help Illuvium, gameplay that is constantly evolving..

[rich fractal]

How to play this

[radiant glen]

I don't think is possible now. You needed to pre registrer and fill up a survey for the closed beta. I missed it too.

[radiant glen]

Mediocre characters? You mean the trainer? The Aniimo itself looks sick. I think their design will attract more female gamers for sure.